Re: braille display and iOS 16 not re pairing

[Mariarosa Chapman]

Come to think of it I don’t think I did lock the phone. Thank you I will try that. The scenario was that I wanted to switch to notepad on the Polaris and write something down. Next time, I will make sure I lock the phone before open notepad.Maria,email: bubbygirl1...@gmail.comSent from my iphome. On 30 Nov 2022, at 1:32 am, Richard Turner  wrote:Maria,Make sure you lock the iPhone before putting the Polaris to sleep or switching to another app.Then, before trying to reconnect, make sure the phone is locked, put the Polaris in whatever it calls Bluetooth mode or terminal mode, etc., then unlock the phone and they should reconnect in a couple of seconds. If doing things I that order doesn’t work, be sure and let both Apple Accessibility and HIMS know.Richard, USA.“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria ChapmanSent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 4:59 AMTo: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone Subject: braille display and iOS 16 not re pairing HI.I am not sure if this is a known bug or if it’s just affecting me. I am also not sure if it’s an iOS problem or a polaris problem.when i am using the polaris with the iphone as a braille display and i put it in to  sleep or just don’t use it for a bit, or switch to a different app on the polaris, sometimes it unpairs with the phone.  Nothing I do will make it pair again. it says the iphone and polaris are connected, but nothing happens. i have tried restarting the polaris, and then connecting again. .  I still get no braille. The only way i can seem to get everything working as it should is to restart the iPhone.Has anyone experienced this either with the polaris or another braille display?ThanksMaria-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.View/Reply Online (#20889): https://groups.io/g/hims-notetakers-chat/message/20889Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/95333131/683Group Owner: hims-notetakers-chat+ow...@groups.ioUnsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/hims-notetakers-chat/leave/7401136/683/621122340/xyzzy [bubbygirl1...@gmail.com]-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/19450F77-8910-4C32-A0AE-53A3C7462EDA%40gmail.com.



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RE: braille display and iOS 16 not re pairing

[Richard Turner]

Maria,

Make sure you lock the iPhone before putting the Polaris to sleep or switching 
to another app.

Then, before trying to reconnect, make sure the phone is locked, put the 
Polaris in whatever it calls Bluetooth mode or terminal mode, etc., then unlock 
the phone and they should reconnect in a couple of seconds.

 

If doing things I that order doesn’t work, be sure and let both Apple 
Accessibility and HIMS know.

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2022 4:59 AM
To: 'Gary Robinson' via VIPhone 
Subject: braille display and iOS 16 not re pairing

 

HI.
I am not sure if this is a known bug or if it’s just affecting me. I am also 
not sure if it’s an iOS problem or a polaris problem.
when i am using the polaris with the iphone as a braille display and i put it 
in to  sleep or just don’t use it for a bit, or switch to a different app on 
the polaris, sometimes it unpairs with the phone.  Nothing I do will make it 
pair again. it says the iphone and polaris are connected, but nothing happens. 
i have tried restarting the polaris, and then connecting again.
 .  I still get no braille. The only way i can seem to get everything working 
as it should is to restart the iPhone.
Has anyone experienced this either with the polaris or another braille display?
Thanks
Maria



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Re: braille display in seven little words

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Janet,

I doubt that an upgrade will fix this. You can write to Blue Ox tech support to 
find out, though. Their email address is
Blue Ox Family Games <⁨support@blueox.email⁩>

Best,
Anna

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 1:05 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, before the last upgrade I could use the braille display so I have to 
> wait until another update.  thanks for your help. Janet
> 
> On 03/10/2021 16:46, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> Hi Janet,
>> 
>> Unfortunately, you have to flick on the iPhone screen instead of using the 
>> buttons on the braille display.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2021, at 1:32 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anna, done that but how can I use the forwad and back keys as every time 
>>> I try it just comes up with direct touch and I have to use the phone to 
>>> move the display.  Janet
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2021 17:41, Anna Dresner wrote:
 Hi Janet,
 
 Direct Touch is required to play seven Little Words now. Go to 
 Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille and make sure Braille alerts Messages is 
 set to at least 3 seconds. The braille from the game is output as alerts, 
 so the setting you use here determines how long they stay on the display.
 
 HTH,
 Anna
 
 
> On Oct 2, 2021, at 4:21 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
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> Please can someone tell me how to get rid of direct touch from a braille 
> display when playing seven little words with speech as well.  hope 
> someone can help and thanks to you all for helping me.  Janet
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Re: braille display in seven little words

[Janet Bell]

Hi Anna, before the last upgrade I could use the braille display so I 
have to wait until another update.  thanks for your help. Janet


On 03/10/2021 16:46, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi Janet,

Unfortunately, you have to flick on the iPhone screen instead of using the 
buttons on the braille display.

Best,
Anna



On Oct 3, 2021, at 1:32 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:

Hi Anna, done that but how can I use the forwad and back keys as every time I 
try it just comes up with direct touch and I have to use the phone to move the 
display.  Janet

On 02/10/2021 17:41, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi Janet,

Direct Touch is required to play seven Little Words now. Go to 
Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille and make sure Braille alerts Messages is set to 
at least 3 seconds. The braille from the game is output as alerts, so the 
setting you use here determines how long they stay on the display.

HTH,
Anna



On Oct 2, 2021, at 4:21 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:

Please can someone tell me how to get rid of direct touch from a braille 
display when playing seven little words with speech as well.  hope someone can 
help and thanks to you all for helping me.  Janet

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Re: braille display in seven little words

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Janet,

Unfortunately, you have to flick on the iPhone screen instead of using the 
buttons on the braille display.

Best,
Anna


> On Oct 3, 2021, at 1:32 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, done that but how can I use the forwad and back keys as every time I 
> try it just comes up with direct touch and I have to use the phone to move 
> the display.  Janet
> 
> On 02/10/2021 17:41, Anna Dresner wrote:
>> Hi Janet,
>> 
>> Direct Touch is required to play seven Little Words now. Go to 
>> Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille and make sure Braille alerts Messages is set 
>> to at least 3 seconds. The braille from the game is output as alerts, so the 
>> setting you use here determines how long they stay on the display.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 4:21 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please can someone tell me how to get rid of direct touch from a braille 
>>> display when playing seven little words with speech as well.  hope someone 
>>> can help and thanks to you all for helping me.  Janet
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Re: braille display in seven little words

[Janet Bell]

Hi Anna, done that but how can I use the forwad and back keys as every 
time I try it just comes up with direct touch and I have to use the 
phone to move the display.  Janet


On 02/10/2021 17:41, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi Janet,

Direct Touch is required to play seven Little Words now. Go to 
Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille and make sure Braille alerts Messages is set to 
at least 3 seconds. The braille from the game is output as alerts, so the 
setting you use here determines how long they stay on the display.

HTH,
Anna



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Please can someone tell me how to get rid of direct touch from a braille 
display when playing seven little words with speech as well.  hope someone can 
help and thanks to you all for helping me.  Janet

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Re: braille display in seven little words

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Janet,

Direct Touch is required to play seven Little Words now. Go to 
Accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille and make sure Braille alerts Messages is set to 
at least 3 seconds. The braille from the game is output as alerts, so the 
setting you use here determines how long they stay on the display.

HTH,
Anna


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> Please can someone tell me how to get rid of direct touch from a braille 
> display when playing seven little words with speech as well.  hope someone 
> can help and thanks to you all for helping me.  Janet
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Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi Richard,
I am a certified rehabilitation teacher and work at the New Jersey commission 
for the blind for a while then for a private agency, occasionally I do work, 
but I am also retired, waiting for my husband to retire soon.
Thanks for all your help you do a great job on this list.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Richard Turner  
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> 
> HI Peggy,
> I used to teach at the Oregon Commission for the Blind.  I am retired now, 
> Wahoo!
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display
>  
> Hi Richard,
> I am running the latest software version whatever that is 14 point something 
> whatever the last update was and no it just says the name of the braille 
> display and you double tap on it and then it gives you all the settings the 
> only other thing I could think of is that it showing up if you look in the 
> board mobile app and you go under settings there are settings for Belle 
> braille displays, unless they didn’t take it off my account I have tried to 
> call them I have received no response for them from them as of yet. Know when 
> that braille display shows up in settings
> Sorry about that when I go to settings and I find braille display and it says 
> the name the only thing you can do is double tap on it you can’t do anything 
> else and there’s all the settings there is if I had a braille display.
> It’s definitely a first for me I have never encountered this before.
> Thanks for all your help.
> Have a question where do you teach??
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It sure is crazy that when you touch the name of that display in the braille 
> settings and flick up there is no more option.
> Which iOS are you running?
>  
> Other than it sitting there, is it getting in your way?  I’d be tempted to 
> ignore it if it isn’t causing a problem.
> Perhaps then in the next iOS update, it will just go away.  Fingers crossed.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 2:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display
>  
> Hi, there is no rather or nothing that says more information under braille 
> all I’m getting or the settings and the braille display name but there is no 
> button that says more info. July thanks for the information though.
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:50 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device 
> name you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this 
> device. Typically that’s the last setting under more info 
> Hope that helps
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
> button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings 
> when you get to Braille under accessibility.
> If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to 
> do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also 
> holding either volume button.
> It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
> and it starts the reboot process.
> HTH,
>  
> 
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
> website:  www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
> button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the 
> power button??
> Thanks for your help.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> I understood it doesn't show up in

Re: Braille display

[Gerardo Corripio]

> Have you tried flicking up and down to see if you have a Delete option?

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RE: Braille display

[Richard Turner]

HI Peggy,
I used to teach at the Oregon Commission for the Blind.  I am retired now, 
Wahoo!




Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 7:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi Richard,
I am running the latest software version whatever that is 14 point something 
whatever the last update was and no it just says the name of the braille 
display and you double tap on it and then it gives you all the settings the 
only other thing I could think of is that it showing up if you look in the 
board mobile app and you go under settings there are settings for Belle braille 
displays, unless they didn’t take it off my account I have tried to call them I 
have received no response for them from them as of yet. Know when that braille 
display shows up in settings
Sorry about that when I go to settings and I find braille display and it says 
the name the only thing you can do is double tap on it you can’t do anything 
else and there’s all the settings there is if I had a braille display.
It’s definitely a first for me I have never encountered this before.
Thanks for all your help.
Have a question where do you teach??
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

It sure is crazy that when you touch the name of that display in the braille 
settings and flick up there is no more option.
Which iOS are you running?

Other than it sitting there, is it getting in your way?  I’d be tempted to 
ignore it if it isn’t causing a problem.
Perhaps then in the next iOS update, it will just go away.  Fingers crossed.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 2:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi, there is no rather or nothing that says more information under braille all 
I’m getting or the settings and the braille display name but there is no button 
that says more info. July thanks for the information though.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️



On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:50 PM, TaraPrakash 
mailto:taraprak...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device name 
you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this device. 
Typically that’s the last setting under more info
Hope that helps

Sent from my iPhone



On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Richard,
I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings when 
you get to Braille under accessibility.
If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️



On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to 
do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also holding 
either volume button.
It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
and it starts the reboot process.
HTH,


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C1556c2ddb5dd413110fa08d9689cc61a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655844840812493%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=z57b1A0f1QbO0CweOfjl4CA4dUEQrlzIdxgFhob8yxU%3D=0>




On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Hi Richard,
Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the power 
button??
Thanks for your help.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️



On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
braille eith

Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi Richard,
I am running the latest software version whatever that is 14 point something 
whatever the last update was and no it just says the name of the braille 
display and you double tap on it and then it gives you all the settings the 
only other thing I could think of is that it showing up if you look in the 
board mobile app and you go under settings there are settings for Belle braille 
displays, unless they didn’t take it off my account I have tried to call them I 
have received no response for them from them as of yet. Know when that braille 
display shows up in settings
Sorry about that when I go to settings and I find braille display and it says 
the name the only thing you can do is double tap on it you can’t do anything 
else and there’s all the settings there is if I had a braille display.
It’s definitely a first for me I have never encountered this before.
Thanks for all your help.
Have a question where do you teach??
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 26, 2021, at 10:08 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It sure is crazy that when you touch the name of that display in the braille 
> settings and flick up there is no more option.
> Which iOS are you running?
>  
> Other than it sitting there, is it getting in your way?  I’d be tempted to 
> ignore it if it isn’t causing a problem.
> Perhaps then in the next iOS update, it will just go away.  Fingers crossed.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 2:20 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display
>  
> Hi, there is no rather or nothing that says more information under braille 
> all I’m getting or the settings and the braille display name but there is no 
> button that says more info. July thanks for the information though.
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:50 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device 
> name you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this 
> device. Typically that’s the last setting under more info 
> Hope that helps
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
> button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings 
> when you get to Braille under accessibility.
> If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
> Peggy
>  
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to 
> do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also 
> holding either volume button.
> It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
> and it starts the reboot process.
> HTH,
>  
> 
>  
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
>  
>  
>  
>  
> website:  www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
> button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the 
> power button??
> Thanks for your help.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
> 
> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
>  
> I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
> braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
> memory of that device.
> I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
> You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
> little more willing to dig into the issue.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>  
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 

RE: Braille display

[Richard Turner]

It sure is crazy that when you touch the name of that display in the braille 
settings and flick up there is no more option.
Which iOS are you running?

Other than it sitting there, is it getting in your way?  I’d be tempted to 
ignore it if it isn’t causing a problem.
Perhaps then in the next iOS update, it will just go away.  Fingers crossed.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2021 2:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi, there is no rather or nothing that says more information under braille all 
I’m getting or the settings and the braille display name but there is no button 
that says more info. July thanks for the information though.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:50 PM, TaraPrakash 
mailto:taraprak...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device name 
you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this device. 
Typically that’s the last setting under more info
Hope that helps

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

Hi Richard,
I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings when 
you get to Braille under accessibility.
If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to 
do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also holding 
either volume button.
It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
and it starts the reboot process.
HTH,


Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Hi Richard,
Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the power 
button??
Thanks for your help.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️


On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
memory of that device.
I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
little more willing to dig into the issue.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com<mailto:pegkan...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try what 
you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable to help 
me.
Thanks very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Try turning off Bluetooth.
Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then holding 
the power button until it restarts.

Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
Bluetooth but see if it goes away.

Next is to call Apple accessibility.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
pegkan

Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi, there is no rather or nothing that says more information under braille all 
I’m getting or the settings and the braille display name but there is no button 
that says more info. July thanks for the information though.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 11:50 PM, TaraPrakash  wrote:
> 
> Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device 
> name you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this 
> device. Typically that’s the last setting under more info 
> Hope that helps
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
>> button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings 
>> when you get to Braille under accessibility.
>> If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
>> Peggy
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>> 
>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>  It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want 
>>> to do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also 
>>> holding either volume button.
>>> It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes 
>>> away and it starts the reboot process.
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner 
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> website:  www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>> Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
>>>> button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the 
>>>> power button??
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>> Peggy
>>>> 
>>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up 
>>>>> in braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out 
>>>>> the memory of that device.
>>>>> I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
>>>>> You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone 
>>>>> a little more willing to dig into the issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web site: 
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>> pegkan...@gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: Braille display
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try 
>>>>> what you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were 
>>>>> unable to help me.
>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>> Peggy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Try turning off Bluetooth.
>>>>>> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
>>>>>> holding the power button until it restarts.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn 
>>>>>> on Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: Braille display

[TaraPrakash]

Try double tapping braille  under VoiceOver settings. Next to the device name 
you should find more info. Then you should be able to find forget this device. 
Typically that’s the last setting under more info 
Hope that helps
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:26 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
> button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings 
> when you get to Braille under accessibility.
> If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want 
>> to do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also 
>> holding either volume button.
>> It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
>> and it starts the reboot process.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
>> -- Jane Wagner 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> website:  www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard,
>>> Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
>>> button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the 
>>> power button??
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> Peggy
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
>>>> braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
>>>> memory of that device.
>>>> I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
>>>> You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone 
>>>> a little more willing to dig into the issue.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>>> 
>>>> Web site: 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> pegkan...@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Braille display
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try 
>>>> what you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were 
>>>> unable to help me.
>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>> Peggy
>>>> 
>>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Try turning off Bluetooth.
>>>>> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
>>>>> holding the power button until it restarts.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn 
>>>>> on Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Next is to call Apple accessibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>>>> 
>>>>> Web site: 
>>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>&

Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi Richard,
I turned off Bluetooth hit the volume up volume down and held in the power 
button and it did not take the name of the braille display out of settings when 
you get to Braille under accessibility.
If you come up with any other ideas I would appreciate it thank you so much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to 
> do those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also 
> holding either volume button.
> It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
> and it starts the reboot process.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> website:  www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>> Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
>> button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the 
>> power button??
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Peggy
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>> 
>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
>>> braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
>>> memory of that device.
>>> I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
>>> You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
>>> little more willing to dig into the issue.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>> 
>>> Web site: 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> pegkan...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Braille display
>>> 
>>> Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try 
>>> what you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable 
>>> to help me.
>>> Thanks very much.
>>> Peggy
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Try turning off Bluetooth.
>>>> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
>>>> holding the power button until it restarts.
>>>> 
>>>> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn 
>>>> on Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
>>>> 
>>>> Next is to call Apple accessibility.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>>> 
>>>> Web site: 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>> pegkan...@gmail.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:08 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Braille display
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the 
>>>> item. Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of 
>>>> the evil year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this 
>>>> title. It is no longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried 
>>>> everything that I can think of to get rid of this title but nothing I do 
>

Re: Braille display

[Richard Turner]

It is the three step process. 1. up volume, 2, down volume, and you want to do 
those two fairly quickly; then 3, hold the power button without also holding 
either volume button.
It will take at least 6 to 10 seconds before the power off message goes away 
and it starts the reboot process.
HTH,



Richard
"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner





website:  www.turner42.com


On Aug 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Richard,
Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the power 
button??
Thanks for your help.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
memory of that device.
I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
little more willing to dig into the issue.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try what 
you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable to help 
me.
Thanks very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Try turning off Bluetooth.
Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then holding 
the power button until it restarts.

Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
Bluetooth but see if it goes away.

Next is to call Apple accessibility.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce22b976b83cb4fe98b5e08d9682ecc10%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655372472262870%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=HelC3ZcOzHdPp96zZU8XKX1rHuuanXfxydypOwT2n5o%3Dreserved=0

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille display

Hi,
At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the item. 
Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of the evil 
year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this title. It is no 
longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried everything that I can think 
of to get rid of this title but nothing I do seems to work.
If anyone has any suggestions other than resetting all my settings I would 
really appreciate it. Also just so you know, I am using an iPhone 2020, and 
there is there is no setting for more information when you go to braille in 
settings.
Thanks for any help I would really appreciate it.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

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Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi Richard,
Do I hold the up-and-down volumes at the same time while holding the power 
button or do I push the up volume then the down button and then hold the power 
button??
Thanks for your help.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 9:05 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
> braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
> memory of that device.
> I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
> You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
> little more willing to dig into the issue.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display
> 
> Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try what 
> you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable to 
> help me.
> Thanks very much.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Try turning off Bluetooth.
>> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
>> holding the power button until it restarts.
>> 
>> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
>> Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
>> 
>> Next is to call Apple accessibility.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>> 
>> Web site: 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0caccebdbc294d2555da08d9682cc393%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655363728522237%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=iirymsHl8hVgsePYgEGWn78Giq0Mn654qzCsXNzg21Y%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> pegkan...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:08 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Braille display
>> 
>> Hi,
>> At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the 
>> item. Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of 
>> the evil year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this title. 
>> It is no longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried everything that I 
>> can think of to get rid of this title but nothing I do seems to work.
>> If anyone has any suggestions other than resetting all my settings I would 
>> really appreciate it. Also just so you know, I am using an iPhone 2020, and 
>> there is there is no setting for more information when you go to braille in 
>> settings.
>> Thanks for any help I would really appreciate it.
>> Peggy
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
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RE: Braille display

[Richard Turner]

I understood it doesn't show up in Bluetooth, but it shouldn't show up in 
braille either if Bluetooth is off.  So I'm hoping that will clear out the 
memory of that device.
I guess the next thing would be to try just reseting network settings.
You may still want to try Apple Accessibility, maybe you will get someone a 
little more willing to dig into the issue.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
pegkan...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display

Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try what 
you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable to help 
me.
Thanks very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try turning off Bluetooth.
> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
> holding the power button until it restarts.
> 
> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
> Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
> 
> Next is to call Apple accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C0caccebdbc294d2555da08d9682cc393%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637655363728522237%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=iirymsHl8hVgsePYgEGWn78Giq0Mn654qzCsXNzg21Y%3Dreserved=0
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Braille display
> 
> Hi,
> At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the 
> item. Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of the 
> evil year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this title. It is 
> no longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried everything that I can 
> think of to get rid of this title but nothing I do seems to work.
> If anyone has any suggestions other than resetting all my settings I would 
> really appreciate it. Also just so you know, I am using an iPhone 2020, and 
> there is there is no setting for more information when you go to braille in 
> settings.
> Thanks for any help I would really appreciate it.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
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Re: Braille display

[pegkane52]

Hi Richard, it does not show up in my Bluetooth settings but I will try what 
you said I’ve already called Apple Accessability, and they were unable to help 
me.
Thanks very much.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

> On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:25 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Try turning off Bluetooth.
> Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then 
> holding the power button until it restarts.
> 
> Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
> Bluetooth but see if it goes away.
> 
> Next is to call Apple accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pegkan...@gmail.com
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> Subject: Braille display
> 
> Hi,
> At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the 
> item. Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of the 
> evil year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this title. It is 
> no longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried everything that I can 
> think of to get rid of this title but nothing I do seems to work.
> If anyone has any suggestions other than resetting all my settings I would 
> really appreciate it. Also just so you know, I am using an iPhone 2020, and 
> there is there is no setting for more information when you go to braille in 
> settings.
> Thanks for any help I would really appreciate it.
> Peggy
> 
> Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️
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RE: Braille display

[Richard Turner]

Try turning off Bluetooth.
Rebooting the phone with the pressing up volume, then down volume, then holding 
the power button until it restarts.

Then, check the braille settings which when you do you will have to turn on 
Bluetooth but see if it goes away.

Next is to call Apple accessibility.




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 5:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Braille display

Hi,
At one time I had an E reader braille display and have since returned the item. 
Now when I open up settings and go to braille it shows the title of the evil 
year. No matter what I do, I cannot seem to get rid of this title. It is no 
longer in my Bluetooth settings, and I have tried everything that I can think 
of to get rid of this title but nothing I do seems to work.
If anyone has any suggestions other than resetting all my settings I would 
really appreciate it. Also just so you know, I am using an iPhone 2020, and 
there is there is no setting for more information when you go to braille in 
settings.
Thanks for any help I would really appreciate it.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️

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RE: Braille display problem in iOS 14.2?

[Richard Turner]

The cored+4,5,6 only works if you have not edited/changed the order of the apps.
After a reboot, it works fine.
But Harry, you first said dots 4,5,6,7 I think you meant, space+4,5,6, right?
Anyway, it works for me in 14.2 until I have moved an app, then I have to 
reboot to get it to work as expected again.
This has been reported to Apple multiple times.
.



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Kriegler
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Braille display problem in iOS 14.2?

Hi Harry,
Yes, this is a bug. For now, if you use dot 4 chord once, then type dots 4,5,6 
Chord, you should move to the end of a list.
Best Regards,

Les

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On the home screen on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.2 the Braille command 
dots 4567 simply produces a quick sound but no movement to focus, whereas.123 
at the lose focus to the first item on the home screen. In side other apps the 
456 and command still works properly but I cannot get it to work on the home 
screen. Is this a bug?

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RE: Braille display problem in iOS 14.2?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Harry,
Yes, this is a bug. For now, if you use dot 4 chord once, then type dots 4,5,6 
Chord, you should move to the end of a list.
Best Regards,

Les

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On the home screen on my iPhone SE 2020 running iOS 14.2 the Braille command 
dots 4567 simply produces a quick sound but no movement to focus, whereas.123 
at the lose focus to the first item on the home screen. In side other apps the 
456 and command still works properly but I cannot get it to work on the home 
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RE: Braille display issues with my new SE

[pattigj1206]

I have tried three; a focus 40, an orbit and a brailleme.

Patti

 

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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 2:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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What kind of display is it?

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

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justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.





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I have not noticed this with my other phones, but once I pair a display it is 
fine but as soon as I turn the display off it is unpaired.  This had, again, 
not  been an issue with other phones.  Do you think this could change with the 
IOS 14 update?

Otherwise I am very happy with my SE20.

Patti

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Re: Braille display issues with my new SE

[Richard Turner]

If I make sure and only power the display on or off when the phone is locked, I 
never have this issue.




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On Jul 31, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Kimberly  wrote:

 What kind of display is it?

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I have not noticed this with my other phones, but once I pair a display it is 
fine but as soon as I turn the display off it is unpaired.  This had, again, 
not  been an issue with other phones.  Do you think this could change with the 
IOS 14 update?
Otherwise I am very happy with my SE20.
Patti

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Re: Braille display issues with my new SE

[Kimberly]

What kind of display is it?

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Jul 31, 2020, at 10:13 AM, pattigj1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not noticed this with my other phones, but once I pair a display it is 
> fine but as soon as I turn the display off it is unpaired.  This had, again, 
> not  been an issue with other phones.  Do you think this could change with 
> the IOS 14 update?
> Otherwise I am very happy with my SE20.
> Patti
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I am using the orbit reader and the Braille Sense Plus 32 cells.  Both of
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On 6/7/19, Cris Ali  wrote:
> I am using the orbit reader and the Braille Sense Plus 32 cells.  Both of
> them work very well with iOS.
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> with it freezing up when connected to my iOS devices. I'm looking for a
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RE: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

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I am using the orbit reader and the Braille Sense Plus 32 cells.  Both of them 
work very well with iOS.

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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[Richard Turner]

In my opinion, the closest thing to the Refreshabraille is the Orbit Reader 20. 
It has an SD card for storing BRF files to read later, and it works very well 
with iOS, and only costs $600 from Orbit Research.
Here is there info about purchasing and where you can read more about the unit.
The product can be purchased through the product page, which has an “Add to 
cart” button at the bottom.  Clicking on this will show you the shopping cart 
and will provide an option to checkout.  The link to the product page is: 
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-reader-20/

If someone would like to place an order via phone, the toll-free number is 
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I have a focus 40 4th Gen that works quite well. I hated that Brailliant also. 
It froze no matter what I did. I gave that back.



Jenn and Kumi

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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[Devin Prater]

Okay, I’d look at the Focus 14, the Orbit Reader, and the Actilino if you have 
a HIMS dealer around.

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 10:27 PM, mreyes5...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Hi!
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> something similar to that. 
> 
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>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a focus 40 4th Gen that works quite well. I hated that Brailliant 
>> also. It froze no matter what I did. I gave that back.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jenn and Kumi
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 4:42 PM, mreyes5...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> Hi. I have a Brailliant BI 32 right now, But I've been having many problems 
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>>> display that works best with the iOS devices.
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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[mreyes5585]

Hi!
I used to have a Refreshabraille 18, but those are no more. I'm looking for 
something similar to that. 

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
contact information and I will happily add you. 
mreyes5...@gmail.com

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> I have a focus 40 4th Gen that works quite well. I hated that Brailliant 
> also. It froze no matter what I did. I gave that back.
> 
> 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 4:42 PM, mreyes5...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. I have a Brailliant BI 32 right now, But I've been having many problems 
>> with it freezing up when connected to my iOS devices. I'm looking for a 
>> display that works best with the iOS devices.
>> 
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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[Jennie Facer]

I have a focus 40 4th Gen that works quite well. I hated that Brailliant also. 
It froze no matter what I did. I gave that back.



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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[Sharonda Greenlaw]

I love the my Focus 40 Fifth Gen. Connects quickly and is very stable. 


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Re: Braille display that works really good with iOS?

[Richard Turner]

have you checked with HumanWare to see if there is a firmware update that might 
help?
What features are you wanting in a display?
How many cells, do you want note taking on the device?
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

That sounds like a good explanation!

> On 17 Dec 2018, at 13:21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I cannot recall any braille display that would wake a phone up once it had 
> gone to sleep.
> I've used three different braille displays with iPhones.
> 
> I suspect it is because VoiceOver is also asleep when the phone is and since 
> the braille displays need VoiceOver active in order to function, it makes 
> perfect sense to me.
> While bluetooth QWERTY keyboards do wake up devices since they do not need 
> VoiceOver on in order to function.
> 
> Richard
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS
> 
> I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
> display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
> iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping 
> the iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
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>> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
>> 
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>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - 
>>> I’m still a bit slow!
>>> Harry
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>>>> display can communicate with the phone.
>>>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>>>> the passcode.
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really 
>>>> good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
>>>>> when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
>>>>> screen to Home screen?
>>>>> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1 Thanks Harry
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RE: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

[Richard Turner]

I cannot recall any braille display that would wake a phone up once it had gone 
to sleep.
I've used three different braille displays with iPhones.

I suspect it is because VoiceOver is also asleep when the phone is and since 
the braille displays need VoiceOver active in order to function, it makes 
perfect sense to me.
While bluetooth QWERTY keyboards do wake up devices since they do not need 
VoiceOver on in order to function.

Richard

Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping the 
iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
Harry

> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
> 
> Maria Reyes
> blindt...@gmail.com
> my group: blind-techies+subscr...@groups.io
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
>> still a bit slow!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>>> display can communicate with the phone.
>>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>>> the passcode.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really 
>>> good books which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
>>>> when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
>>>> screen to Home screen?
>>>> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1 Thanks Harry
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

I’d agree that many of us would assume that pressing any key on the Braille 
display would wake the screen - but, as Richard said, in reality once the 
iPhone XS screen goes to sleep, the Orbit 20 keys do nothing. Only tapping the 
iPhone screen with a finger elicits a response. Hey, ho!
Harry

> On 16 Dec 2018, at 20:00, Maria Reyes  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.
> 
> Maria Reyes
> blindt...@gmail.com
> my group: blind-techies+subscr...@groups.io
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>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
>> still a bit slow!
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>>> display can communicate with the phone.
>>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>>> the passcode.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
>>> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
>>> 
 On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
 when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock 
 screen to Home screen?
 I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1
 Thanks
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

[Maria Reyes]

You should be able to press any key to wake the phone up.

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> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
> still a bit slow!
> Harry
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
>> display can communicate with the phone.
>> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter 
>> the passcode.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books 
>> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
>>> when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock screen 
>>> to Home screen?
>>> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1
>>> Thanks
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

Thanks, Richard! I think I’ll also extend the time before screen locks - I’m 
still a bit slow!
Harry

> On 16 Dec 2018, at 12:40, Richard Turner  wrote:
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> 
> As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
> display can communicate with the phone.
> If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter the 
> passcode.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
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> which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS 
>> when its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock screen 
>> to Home screen?
>> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1
>> Thanks
>> Harry
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Re: Braille display commands with iPhone XS

[Richard Turner]

As far as I know, you have to manually unlock the phone before the braille 
display can communicate with the phone.
If you have a passcode, once the phone is awake, you may be able to enter the 
passcode.
Richard



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which are your very own." __  Sir Arthur Conan Doyle 

> On Dec 16, 2018, at 4:31 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what Braille display command works to wake up iPhone XS when 
> its screen has gone to sleep? And which command to go from lock screen to 
> Home screen?
> I’m using Orbit 20 with iPhone XS iOS 12.1.1
> Thanks
> Harry
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Re: braille display with iPhone 7

[Paul Richard McGann]

bonnie,


likewise. it is ios itself, as i noticed enginnengineers, and devleopers 
robably fixed little. i did spoke up to aple accfessiblity team about 
weird behaivors as we had to keep hitting space bar plus dot 3,6 each 
time. but now bodily message becomes automatic edit. that is great as no 
need to hit space bar plust dot 3,6.



i don't know if you have noticed or they might not changed yet.


sometimes ios drives our nerves to the walls.


sincerely,

rich


On 8/23/2018 1:46 PM, Rizzino, Bonnie wrote:


Hi,

I am having a strange problem with text messaging using my iPhone 7 
and a refreshabraille. I realize that it is an older display, but it 
is still supported according to phone settings.


When writing a text, I seem not to be able to finish it with the 
display. It often doesn’t accept the last word of my text.


Just curious, any ideas?

Thanks.

Bonnie Rizzino

Case Manager

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Re: braille display with iPhone 7

[Maria Reyes]

Hi, Do you have quick nav on or off? to check press space with q and VO should 
say quick nav on or off. Don't worry I also have a refreshabraille 18. :)

Get Outlook for iOS


From: 20376232200n behalf of
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: braille display with iPhone 7

Hi,
I am having a strange problem with text messaging using my iPhone 7 and a 
refreshabraille. I realize that it is an older display, but it is still 
supported according to phone settings.

When writing a text, I seem not to be able to finish it with the display. It 
often doesn’t accept the last word of my text.

Just curious, any ideas?
Thanks.

Bonnie Rizzino
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Re: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 iphone 5s

[Amirudin Abdullah]

hi,
i am using official point 3 point 1 of 11 on 5 s.
i did write to accessibility at apple dot com but no reply.
i think we should write it to them, i dont want this issue be solved in ios 12, 
because i will not get it!


―—
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‫في ٢٧‏/٠٤‏/٢٠١٨ الساعة ٨:٥١ ص، كتب/كتبت ‏Merv Keck ‏:‬

> Hi,
> You are the third person running I have seen using a Focus 14 with this issue 
> on an iPhone today. I wonder if you are running IOS 11.3 or a beta? The other 
> two were running the latest beta of IOS 11. I wonder if this is a bug that 
> needs reported to Apple.
> Merv
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Amirudin Abdullah
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 
> 11.3.1 iphone 5s
>  
> hi everyone,
> its amir. i am using focus 14 from freedom cientific as braille display. 
> not sure since what version it started, but now, let say i pairg my focus 
> with iphone 5s, at first it did work. but if i lock / unlock again the 
> screen, it wont connect again. going to settings accessibility voice over 
> braille, focus 14 is selected, but not paired. but if i press on it, it said 
> pairing, and then connected, but on my braille dissplay it wont show the 
> phone's content. like, it is not connected, it shows focus 14 screen. i have 
> to forget the device and pair it again, and i have to do it every time i 
> sleep and wake the device, the phone i mean. and before every thing, i did 
> all normal steps for apple products, receting network settings, reboot, etc. 
> and, i keep my focus turns on before waking up the phone. 
> did anyone experience this?
> ios 11 is my last ios here, i dont want to stuck with this issue forever, so 
> if it did happen to you, i hope we can together report it to  apple!
>  
>  
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RE: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 iphone 5s

[Merv Keck]

Hi,

You are the third person running I have seen using a Focus 14 with this issue 
on an iPhone today. I wonder if you are running IOS 11.3 or a beta? The other 
two were running the latest beta of IOS 11. I wonder if this is a bug that 
needs reported to Apple.

Merv

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Amirudin 
Abdullah
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 10:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 
iphone 5s

 

hi everyone,

its amir. i am using focus 14 from freedom cientific as braille display. 

not sure since what version it started, but now, let say i pairg my focus with 
iphone 5s, at first it did work. but if i lock / unlock again the screen, it 
wont connect again. going to settings accessibility voice over braille, focus 
14 is selected, but not paired. but if i press on it, it said pairing, and then 
connected, but on my braille dissplay it wont show the phone's content. like, 
it is not connected, it shows focus 14 screen. i have to forget the device and 
pair it again, and i have to do it every time i sleep and wake the device, the 
phone i mean. and before every thing, i did all normal steps for apple 
products, receting network settings, reboot, etc. and, i keep my focus turns on 
before waking up the phone. 

did anyone experience this?

ios 11 is my last ios here, i dont want to stuck with this issue forever, so if 
it did happen to you, i hope we can together report it to  apple!

 

 

 

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Re: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 iphone 5s

[Amirudin Abdullah]

hi,
everytime i want to connect the braille, i have to forget the device first, 
then re connect, it sometimes work. but if i screen off and then unlock again 
the phone, keeping focus 14 on, no automatic reconnect. so i need to forget 
again, then connect again. everytime. 
and i only have this braille here.


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‫في ٢٧‏/٠٤‏/٢٠١٨ الساعة ١:٤٤ ص، كتب/كتبت ‏Arlene ‏:‬

> We haven't gotten it to work yet with the focus blue, but we're going to try 
> again, and it will be interesting for any instructions since we might be 
> missing something.
> - Original Message -
> From: Amirudin Abdullah
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:36 AM
> Subject: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 
> 11.3.1 iphone 5s
> 
> hi everyone,
> its amir. i am using focus 14 from freedom cientific as braille display. 
> not sure since what version it started, but now, let say i pairg my focus 
> with iphone 5s, at first it did work. but if i lock / unlock again the 
> screen, it wont connect again. going to settings accessibility voice over 
> braille, focus 14 is selected, but not paired. but if i press on it, it said 
> pairing, and then connected, but on my braille dissplay it wont show the 
> phone's content. like, it is not connected, it shows focus 14 screen. i have 
> to forget the device and pair it again, and i have to do it every time i 
> sleep and wake the device, the phone i mean. and before every thing, i did 
> all normal steps for apple products, receting network settings, reboot, etc. 
> and, i keep my focus turns on before waking up the phone. 
> did anyone experience this?
> ios 11 is my last ios here, i dont want to stuck with this issue forever, so 
> if it did happen to you, i hope we can together report it to  apple!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 iphone 5s

[Arlene]

We haven't gotten it to work yet with the focus blue, but we're going to try 
again, and it will be interesting for any instructions since we might be 
missing something.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Amirudin Abdullah 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2018 9:36 AM
  Subject: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 
11.3.1 iphone 5s


  hi everyone,
  its amir. i am using focus 14 from freedom cientific as braille display. 
  not sure since what version it started, but now, let say i pairg my focus 
with iphone 5s, at first it did work. but if i lock / unlock again the screen, 
it wont connect again. going to settings accessibility voice over braille, 
focus 14 is selected, but not paired. but if i press on it, it said pairing, 
and then connected, but on my braille dissplay it wont show the phone's 
content. like, it is not connected, it shows focus 14 screen. i have to forget 
the device and pair it again, and i have to do it every time i sleep and wake 
the device, the phone i mean. and before every thing, i did all normal steps 
for apple products, receting network settings, reboot, etc. and, i keep my 
focus turns on before waking up the phone. 
  did anyone experience this?
  ios 11 is my last ios here, i dont want to stuck with this issue forever, so 
if it did happen to you, i hope we can together report it to  apple!






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Re: braille display wont connect automatically via bluetooth on ios 11.3.1 iphone 5s

[Anna Dresner]

Hello, Amirudin,

I haven't seen this problem, but I have a couple of suggestions.

Are you using any other braille display in addition to the Focus 14? If so, try 
having your phone forget it. Sometimes I've had trouble when my phone was 
paired with two displays.

The other thing is that when you want to turn off your devices, turn off the 
phone first, then the display. When you turn them back on, turn on the display 
first, then the phone.

I hope this is of some help.

Best,
Anna




> On Apr 26, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Amirudin Abdullah  
> wrote:
> 
> hi everyone,
> its amir. i am using focus 14 from freedom cientific as braille display. 
> not sure since what version it started, but now, let say i pairg my focus 
> with iphone 5s, at first it did work. but if i lock / unlock again the 
> screen, it wont connect again. going to settings accessibility voice over 
> braille, focus 14 is selected, but not paired. but if i press on it, it said 
> pairing, and then connected, but on my braille dissplay it wont show the 
> phone's content. like, it is not connected, it shows focus 14 screen. i have 
> to forget the device and pair it again, and i have to do it every time i 
> sleep and wake the device, the phone i mean. and before every thing, i did 
> all normal steps for apple products, receting network settings, reboot, etc. 
> and, i keep my focus turns on before waking up the phone. 
> did anyone experience this?
> ios 11 is my last ios here, i dont want to stuck with this issue forever, so 
> if it did happen to you, i hope we can together report it to  apple!
> 
> 
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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Paul Sandoval]

Sandy,

I prefer the Edge because of the directional keys, they can be used in place of 
single finger flicks. The limited note taking capabilities are very nice, and 
the battery is long-lasting. 
It has not been refreshed, but is a mostly stable device.


> On Mar 16, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
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> Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
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> Sandy Finley
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Re: Braille display Comparison

[alia robinson]

no.

On Mar 17, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Kamal Haffar  wrote:

With the Braille Edge Can you easily switch between connected bluetooth 
devices?  Thanks

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RE: Braille display Comparison

[Richard Turner]

Only by turning Bluetooth off on one device.
It can only connect to one device at a time.

Richard




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From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Kamal 
Haffar
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 10:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display Comparison

With the Braille Edge Can you easily switch between connected bluetooth 
devices?  Thanks
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I used the Braille Edge for several years. The note taker is basic, and works 
best if the default document type is txt rather than HIMS Braille or BRL.
It pairs easily with an iPhone.
After 3 or 4 years, I had to send it in for repairs, and found that the mother 
board needed to be replaced, which would have cost about $2400, which is only 
$400 or so less than a new one.
Fortunately, it was provided by my work, but I decided to wait to get a new one 
until the less expensive displays become a reality.
Richard



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On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Mary Otten 
<motte...@gmail.com<mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns devices. 
That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, and I think 
the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never really used it. Did 
not like the ergonomics.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Sandra E. Finley 
<finleykn...@gmail.com<mailto:finleykn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.

Sandy Finley


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Kamal Haffar]

With the Braille Edge Can you easily switch between connected bluetooth 
devices?  Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 9:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
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> 
> I used the Braille Edge for several years. The note taker is basic, and works 
> best if the default document type is txt rather than HIMS Braille or BRL.
> It pairs easily with an iPhone.
> After 3 or 4 years, I had to send it in for repairs, and found that the 
> mother board needed to be replaced, which would have cost about $2400, which 
> is only $400 or so less than a new one.
> Fortunately, it was provided by my work, but I decided to wait to get a new 
> one until the less expensive displays become a reality.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> “The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.” 
> - Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1
> 
> On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
>> brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns 
>> devices. That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, 
>> and I think the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never 
>> really used it. Did not like the ergonomics.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, 
>>> which do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Richard Turner]

I used the Braille Edge for several years. The note taker is basic, and works 
best if the default document type is txt rather than HIMS Braille or BRL.
It pairs easily with an iPhone.
After 3 or 4 years, I had to send it in for repairs, and found that the mother 
board needed to be replaced, which would have cost about $2400, which is only 
$400 or so less than a new one.
Fortunately, it was provided by my work, but I decided to wait to get a new one 
until the less expensive displays become a reality.
Richard




“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter.”

- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Mar 16, 2018, at 4:50 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns devices. 
That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, and I think 
the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never really used it. Did 
not like the ergonomics.
Mary


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Has anyone on this list used the Braille Edge and the Braillant? If so, which 
do you prefer with the iPhone?  Thanks.

Sandy Finley


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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Mary Otten]

I have not use a braille edge. I do have and have used obviously, the 
brailliant. It connects well. And I prefer its ergonomics to the hymns devices. 
That is a personal choice. Of course, it has no notetaking ability, and I think 
the braille edge has a little bit. I’ve only seen it, never really used it. Did 
not like the ergonomics.
Mary


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Re: Braille display Comparison

[Anthony Vece]

Sandy;

I used the VU20, the SmartBeetle14 and, the Braille Edge40 and, I found that 
all three Braille displays worked well.

But, I found it quite a challenge to connect the VU20 so, I returned it.



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Re: braille display again with latest IOS

[Caitlyn Furness]

I use my brailliant bi 40 with my i phone and don’t have any problems, either..

and, thanks for the link for the display group-just subbed!

Caitlyn


> On Jan 7, 2018, at 5:40 AM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
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> I use the focus 14 blue fifth gen and it works just fine.
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>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 4:28 PM, regina alvarado  
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>> Well, guess I need a braille display. Tried to pair my iPhone 8 plus with my 
>> Apex BT, and though it showed up in my bluetooth devices the message that 
>> showed up was that it was not supported. Is the new AFB braille display 
>> compatible or can someone tell me which would be the best? Am I not going to 
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Re: braille display again with latest IOS

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I use the focus 14 blue fifth gen and it works just fine.
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> showed up was that it was not supported. Is the new AFB braille display 
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Re: Braille display focus 14 issues connecting.

[Anthony Vece]

I also have issues connecting with my Braille Edge 40..


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8!!!

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 12:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Jenifer,
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> I have not yet setup my Focus 40 Blue with my 8 Plus but this is something to 
> which I will definitely pay attention.
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> Mark
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> Subject: Braille display focus 14 issues connecting.
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> Hi all.
> My focus 14 has been working quite nicely with my iPhone eight. All of a 
> sudden the other day, it just disconnected. I tried everything as far as I 
> know. The device, forgetting device, restarting my phone, turning on and off 
> Bluetooth, turning on and off the display, now, the messages that I'm getting 
> says that the display is not supported. Any suggestions? Sorry, dictating 
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RE: Braille display focus 14 issues connecting.

[M. Taylor]

Hello Jenifer,

I have not yet setup my Focus 40 Blue with my 8 Plus but this is something to 
which I will definitely pay attention.

Mark

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jenifer Barr
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:37 AM
To: iPhone List
Subject: Braille display focus 14 issues connecting.

Hi all.
My focus 14 has been working quite nicely with my iPhone eight. All of a sudden 
the other day, it just disconnected. I tried everything as far as I know. The 
device, forgetting device, restarting my phone, turning on and off Bluetooth, 
turning on and off the display, now, the messages that I'm getting says that 
the display is not supported. Any suggestions? Sorry, dictating this message, 
so if it's a very run on I apologize.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Braille display focus 14 issues connecting.

[Wayne Scott]

I use an iPhone 7. Sometimes I too have this problem. I just restarted my phone 
and that seems to solve it.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2017, at 1:36 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> My focus 14 has been working quite nicely with my iPhone eight. All of a 
> sudden the other day, it just disconnected. I tried everything as far as I 
> know. The device, forgetting device, restarting my phone, turning on and off 
> Bluetooth, turning on and off the display, now, the messages that I'm getting 
> says that the display is not supported. Any suggestions? Sorry, dictating 
> this message, so if it's a very run on I apologize.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Diane]

I'm going to ge it this week.
- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" <challswor...@icloud.com>

To: "Viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble


Hello, GM stands for "gold master", ideally you should update to that rather 
than staying with a beta, as the GM is predicted to be the final release 
which the public should get as of Tuesday.

On 15 Sep 2017, at 16:17, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure what those letters mean.  All I know is that my friend sent 
me the link for the bata of IOS 11 so that I could get all the little 
updates between the full update of 10 and 11.  Since next Tuesday is the 
full update of 11, this is the final bata in my phone.  I don't know any 
other technical thing about it.
- Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
<challswor...@icloud.com>

To: "Viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble


You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's 
what I'm running now on all my devices.



On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from 
Apple IOS 11 next week.

- Original Message - From: Melissa Tucker
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble

I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?

On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


   I think this is the group I should 
ask this question of, so here goes.


I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is 
an individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone 
else can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow 
along and sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder 
is just in the dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular 
dropbox. I find my song folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 
key.  I have the focus blue 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start 
reading the words.  I was told to hit chord b to go back.  What I want 
to do is to go back out of the song back to the song list.  That way I 
could go through my song list and find the next song that is put up.  I 
hit chord b and it goes completely out of the folder to the beginning of 
dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried it in access note and 
regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked throught the list 
of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song folder but not 
further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the words.  I 
have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is there a 
voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the song 
words to my list of songs? I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I wanted 
to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone can 
help.


Thanks much.  God bless.

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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, GM stands for "gold master", ideally you should update to that rather 
than staying with a beta, as the GM is predicted to be the final release which 
the public should get as of Tuesday.
> On 15 Sep 2017, at 16:17, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure what those letters mean.  All I know is that my friend sent me 
> the link for the bata of IOS 11 so that I could get all the little updates 
> between the full update of 10 and 11.  Since next Tuesday is the full update 
> of 11, this is the final bata in my phone.  I don't know any other technical 
> thing about it.
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> <challswor...@icloud.com>
> To: "Viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
> 
> 
> You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's 
> what I'm running now on all my devices.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
>> IOS 11 next week.
>>> - Original Message - From: Melissa Tucker
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>>> 
>>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I think this is the group I should ask 
>>> this question of, so here goes.
>>> 
>>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox. I find my song 
>>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
>>> throught the list of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song 
>>> folder but not further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the 
>>> words.  I have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is 
>>> there a voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the 
>>> song words to my list of songs? I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I 
>>> wanted to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone 
>>> can help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much.  God bless.
>>> 
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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Liel Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

Hi! Yes, for public beta testers it's the final version, the beta testers and 
developer beta get it earlier from everyone. I have the public beta and i think 
that it's very buggy. I have menny problems and delay with siri voices and 
VoiceOver generally.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-15 בספט׳ 2017, בשעה 18:17, ‏‏Diane ‏<dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> כתב/ה:‬

> I'm not sure what those letters mean.  All I know is that my friend sent me 
> the link for the bata of IOS 11 so that I could get all the little updates 
> between the full update of 10 and 11.  Since next Tuesday is the full update 
> of 11, this is the final bata in my phone.  I don't know any other technical 
> thing about it.
> - Original Message - From: "christopher hallsworth" 
> <challswor...@icloud.com>
> To: "Viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
> 
> 
> You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's 
> what I'm running now on all my devices.
> 
>> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
>> IOS 11 next week.
>>> - Original Message - From: Melissa Tucker
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>>> 
>>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I think this is the group I should ask 
>>> this question of, so here goes.
>>> 
>>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox. I find my song 
>>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
>>> throught the list of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song 
>>> folder but not further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the 
>>> words.  I have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is 
>>> there a voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the 
>>> song words to my list of songs? I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I 
>>> wanted to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone 
>>> can help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks much.  God bless.
>>> 
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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Diane]

I'm not sure what those letters mean.  All I know is that my friend sent me 
the link for the bata of IOS 11 so that I could get all the little updates 
between the full update of 10 and 11.  Since next Tuesday is the full update 
of 11, this is the final bata in my phone.  I don't know any other technical 
thing about it.
- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" <challswor...@icloud.com>

To: "Viphone" <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble


You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's 
what I'm running now on all my devices.



On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
IOS 11 next week.
- Original Message - 
From: Melissa Tucker

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble

I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?

On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I think this is the group I should 
ask this question of, so here goes.


I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is 
an individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone 
else can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow 
along and sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is 
just in the dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox. 
I find my song folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I 
have the focus blue 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading 
the words.  I was told to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is 
to go back out of the song back to the song list.  That way I could go 
through my song list and find the next song that is put up.  I hit chord 
b and it goes completely out of the folder to the beginning of dropbox 
things.  As I swaid before, I tried it in access note and regular dropbox 
and it did the same thing.  I flicked throught the list of folders to the 
right one.  It will go inside the song folder but not further.  It will 
not go in the individual song to read the words.  I have to close the app 
and try again.  My question is this.  Is there a voice-over command for 
the Braille display to go back out of the song words to my list of songs? 
I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I wanted to explain it very clearly 
to get the right answer.  I hope someone can help.


Thanks much.  God bless.

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RE: Braille Display command trouble

[Richard Turner]

I suspect it is since it just says iOS 11.  It doesn't say beta.

Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
christopher hallsworth
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble

You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's what 
I'm running now on all my devices.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
> IOS 11 next week.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Melissa Tucker
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>> 
>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think this is the group I should ask 
>> this question of, so here goes.
>>  
>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song 
>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[christopher hallsworth]

You say "final update beta". Does this mean the GM? Just curious as that's what 
I'm running now on all my devices.

> On 13 Sep 2017, at 12:12, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple 
> IOS 11 next week.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Melissa Tucker
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble
>> 
>> I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?
>> 
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think this is the group I should ask 
>> this question of, so here goes.
>>  
>> I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
>> individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else 
>> can read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and 
>> sing with them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the 
>> dropbox.  I tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song 
>> folder and enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 
>> 40 display.  I go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told 
>> to hit chord b to go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song 
>> back to the song list.  That way I could go through my song list and find 
>> the next song that is put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of 
>> the folder to the beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried 
>> it in access note and regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked 
>> throught the list of folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song 
>> folder but not further.  It will not go in the individual song to read the 
>> words.  I have to close the app and try again.  My question is this.  Is 
>> there a voice-over command for the Braille display to go back out of the 
>> song words to my list of songs?  I know that dot 8 enters on things.  I 
>> wanted to explain it very clearly to get the right answer.  I hope someone 
>> can help.
>>  
>> Thanks much.  God bless.
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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Diane]

I am on the final bata update right now.  Expecting to download from Apple IOS 
11 next week.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Melissa Tucker 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Braille Display command trouble


  I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?

  On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane <dianehome.karabin...@gmail.com> wrote:


  I think this is the group I should ask 
this question of, so here goes.

  I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else can 
read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and sing with 
them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the dropbox.  I 
tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song folder and 
enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 40 display.  I 
go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told to hit chord b to 
go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song back to the song 
list.  That way I could go through my song list and find the next song that is 
put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of the folder to the 
beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried it in access note and 
regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked throught the list of 
folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song folder but not further.  
It will not go in the individual song to read the words.  I have to close the 
app and try again.  My question is this.  Is there a voice-over command for the 
Braille display to go back out of the song words to my list of songs?  I know 
that dot 8 enters on things.  I wanted to explain it very clearly to get the 
right answer.  I hope someone can help.

  Thanks much.  God bless.

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Re: Braille Display command trouble

[Melissa Tucker]

I think i have an answer, but what version of ios are you using?

On Sep 10, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Diane  wrote:

I think this is the group I should ask this 
question of, so here goes.
 
I have a folder of song lyrics in dropbox in access note.  Each song is an 
individual file.  My church naturally has an overhead which everyone else can 
read.  I got the lyrics for the song so that I could follow along and sing with 
them.  By the way, this happens even if the folder is just in the dropbox.  I 
tried it within access note and regular dropbox.  I find my song folder and 
enter on it, which is the the dot 8 key.  I have the focus blue 40 display.  I 
go in a song and I can start reading the words.  I was told to hit chord b to 
go back.  What I want to do is to go back out of the song back to the song 
list.  That way I could go through my song list and find the next song that is 
put up.  I hit chord b and it goes completely out of the folder to the 
beginning of dropbox things.  As I swaid before, I tried it in access note and 
regular dropbox and it did the same thing.  I flicked throught the list of 
folders to the right one.  It will go inside the song folder but not further.  
It will not go in the individual song to read the words.  I have to close the 
app and try again.  My question is this.  Is there a voice-over command for the 
Braille display to go back out of the song words to my list of songs?  I know 
that dot 8 enters on things.  I wanted to explain it very clearly to get the 
right answer.  I hope someone can help.
 
Thanks much.  God bless.
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Wayne Scott]

I keep my speech and sounds off while using mine.

- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 15:00:35 -0400
Subject: Re: braille display with iphone questions

Mary;
I turn off my speech with a three finger double tap.
Also I turn my sounds off because I find that the clicks are 
distracting I do that before I turn my speech off hope this helps

God Bless


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

On Aug 1, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Caitlyn Furness 
<caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Mary,

have you tried muting the speech for vo on the phone?  when I 
use braille with the phone, I usually turn off speech because it 
annoys me to hear it whilest using braille.  I can double check, 
but I don’t think the same thing happens with the speech muted 
that you describe..


hTH,
Cait

On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I am giving another try with my braille display and my phone, 
and I have a few questions.  I have character echo set for none, 
but I still here voice over say space each time I press the space 
bar.  Also, if I delete something using the touch screen, the 
display focus shows what voice over said, i.e.  delete, rather 
than showing the text, which still has actual focus.  Is there a 
setting I need to change? Thanks for any help.


Mary


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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Anthony Vece]

Mary;
I turn off my speech with a three finger double tap.
Also I turn my sounds off because I find that the clicks are distracting I do 
that before I turn my speech off hope this helps
God Bless
  

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary,
> 
> have you tried muting the speech for vo on the phone?  when I use braille 
> with the phone, I usually turn off speech because it annoys me to hear it 
> whilest using braille.  I can double check, but I don’t think the same thing 
> happens with the speech muted that you describe..
> 
> hTH,
> Cait
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I am giving another try with my braille display and my phone, and I have a 
>> few questions. I have character echo set for none, but I still here voice 
>> over say space each time I press the space bar. Also, if I delete something 
>> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
>> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
>> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Mary Otten]

Muting speech would be the best idea, but I don't have a Cheat sheet with 
braille display commands. So I'm basically using the display as opposed to 
using a Bluetooth keyboard or dictation when the latter is not convenient. But 
I still need to interact with a touchscreen to actually make tasks happened, 
since I don't know what I'm supposed to do with the braille display to do 
things like send a message, compose a message, etc. Should have brailled out 
the cheat sheet it and brought it with me on vacation.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hi Mary,
> 
> have you tried muting the speech for vo on the phone?  when I use braille 
> with the phone, I usually turn off speech because it annoys me to hear it 
> whilest using braille.  I can double check, but I don’t think the same thing 
> happens with the speech muted that you describe..
> 
> hTH,
> Cait
> 
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>> 
>> I am giving another try with my braille display and my phone, and I have a 
>> few questions. I have character echo set for none, but I still here voice 
>> over say space each time I press the space bar. Also, if I delete something 
>> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
>> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
>> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Mary Otten]

I am using a humanware be I 32 braille display.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:57 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
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> Which braille display are you using?
> 
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> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!
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>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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>> few questions. I have character echo set for none, but I still here voice 
>> over say space each time I press the space bar. Also, if I delete something 
>> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
>> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
>> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Mary,

have you tried muting the speech for vo on the phone?  when I use braille with 
the phone, I usually turn off speech because it annoys me to hear it whilest 
using braille.  I can double check, but I don’t think the same thing happens 
with the speech muted that you describe..

hTH,
Cait

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> few questions. I have character echo set for none, but I still here voice 
> over say space each time I press the space bar. Also, if I delete something 
> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi Mary,

Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to stop these behaviors.

Best,
Anna



> On Aug 1, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> over say space each time I press the space bar. Also, if I delete something 
> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: braille display with iphone questions

[Anthony Vece]

Which braille display are you using?


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 7!!!

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I am giving another try with my braille display and my phone, and I have a 
> few questions. I have character echo set for none, but I still here voice 
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> using the touch screen, the display focus shows what voice over said, i.e. 
> delete, rather than showing the text, which still has actual focus. Is there 
> a setting I need to change? Thanks for any help. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Wayne Scott]

I'm sure Freedom Scientific will do a payment plan.  I know one 
thing, they are cheaper to repair than Humanware.  In September, 
(in theory) I hope to get mine fixed.  After three years hard 
use, some of the cells won't go down and one of the keys won't 
type.  That's just me! FS gave me an estimate of $250 (flat rate) 
to fix it.  Where Humanware would have charged me ten times that 
much.  I'm also going to see if they can check the battery to see 
if it needs replacing.  But, the Focus 14 is a great one to have 
with your iPhone.  You can even put it in your purse or pocket.


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Date sent: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:08:15 -0600
Subject: Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

Hi ,
Do you know when the one from A P H F T B will be avail or does 
the other items do a payment plan for braille displays?

Becky Sabo
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Orbit reader 20 is a new revolutionary 20 cell braille display 
made by orbit research and American printing house for the blind.  
It is going to cost around 500 US dollars.  I think it will hit 
the market this summer.  It supports connecting via USB and 
Bluetooth, as well as some basic note-taking capabilities.
If you want another known solution, you can look for the smart 
beatles from hims, which is 14 cell display around 1200 dollars, 
focus 14 by freedomscientific is another option in the same price 
range.


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Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display.  I 
want to use with iPhone.  Am I being unrealistic or does anyone 
have suggestions? Thanks for any assistance.




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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi , 
Do you know when the one from A P H F T B will be avail or does the other items 
do a payment plan for braille displays?
Becky Sabo 
> On Jun 23, 2017, at 7:04 PM, Ikrami  wrote:
> 
> Orbit reader 20 is a new revolutionary 20 cell braille display made by orbit 
> research and American printing house for the blind. It is going to cost 
> around 500 US dollars. I think it will hit the market this summer. It 
> supports connecting via USB and Bluetooth, as well as some basic note-taking 
> capabilities.
> If you want another known solution, you can look for the smart beatles from 
> hims, which is 14 cell display around 1200 dollars, focus 14 by 
> freedomscientific is another option in the same price range.
> 
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> Subject: braille display to use with iPhone?
> 
> Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use with 
> iPhone. Am I being unrealistic or does anyone have suggestions? Thanks for 
> any assistance.
> 
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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Rebecca Sabo]

Hi all, 
I am also looking for a cheap braille displayed.  My case got close through my 
local DVR state .
Becky Sabo 
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> Hi Regina. How are you? Well, I. Don't know any place whre tey sell  a 
> braille disply cheap. I bought my focus 14 blue braille display second handed 
> form sme one. Freedom scientific sell it for 1300 dollars,adn I have a 
> brailenot apex, but tht my rehab counselor or Division of Blind Services 
> bought it on 2012 for me. So I don't know any other cheap displays. I herd of 
> one, but don't remember the name. I look forward in hearing from yousoon. 
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>> Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use with 
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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,

orbit has not been out yet. friends keep contacted american printing house 
for orbit, and it is said not ready. still waiting.


respectfully,
rich


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Hi Reggie,  Here are 3 different good braille displays.  Focus 14 Blue, 
Vario Ultra 20, and Hims Smart Beattle 14 are good.   I would not suggest 
the orbit reader 20 cell at all.   Hope this help you.   Cheers,  Scott 
Dollar


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Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use 
with iPhone. Am I being unrealistic or does anyone have suggestions? 
Thanks for any assistance.




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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Davy Cuppens]

Maybe a seikia mini?

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From: regina alvarado

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Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use with 
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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Why would you not recommend the orbit reader 20? This is the braille display I 
will be getting because I am not able to afford one of the other ones.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:03 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Reggie,  Here are 3 different good braille displays.  Focus 14 Blue, Vario 
> Ultra 20, and Hims Smart Beattle 14 are good.   I would not suggest the orbit 
> reader 20 cell at all.   Hope this help you.   Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
> 
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RE: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi Reggie.  I have a Refreshabraille 18 from APH which is 1,695.00.  The
cheapest braille display that I know about which should be coming soon is
the Orbit which will sell for 449.00.  I'm not sure how much the one from
Perkins or Hims are but you might want to look there too.  I think Humanware
has one for 995.00 which is a smaller one that works with mobile devices.  I
don't remember what it is called though.

 

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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

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Hi Regina. How are you? Well, I. Don't know any place whre tey sell  a braille 
disply cheap. I bought my focus 14 blue braille display second handed form sme 
one. Freedom scientific sell it for 1300 dollars,adn I have a brailenot apex, 
but tht my rehab counselor or Division of Blind Services bought it on 2012 for 
me. So I don't know any other cheap displays. I herd of one, but don't remember 
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Re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[dollar031]

Hi Reggie,  Here are 3 different good braille displays.  Focus 14 Blue, Vario 
Ultra 20, and Hims Smart Beattle 14 are good.   I would not suggest the orbit 
reader 20 cell at all.   Hope this help you.   Cheers,  Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

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re: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Wayne Scott]

I can recommend the Focus 14 Blue put out by Freedom Scientific.

- Original Message -
From: regina alvarado 

RE: braille display to use with iPhone?

[Ikrami]

Orbit reader 20 is a new revolutionary 20 cell braille display made by orbit 
research and American printing house for the blind. It is going to cost around 
500 US dollars. I think it will hit the market this summer. It supports 
connecting via USB and Bluetooth, as well as some basic note-taking 
capabilities.
If you want another known solution, you can look for the smart beatles from 
hims, which is 14 cell display around 1200 dollars, focus 14 by 
freedomscientific is another option in the same price range.

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Looking for a relatively cheap and small braille display. I want to use with 
iPhone. Am I being unrealistic or does anyone have suggestions? Thanks for any 
assistance.



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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Paul Richard McGann]

elizabeth,

scott dolalr, she did mention braille sense. okay1

elizabeth, make sure yo uget pin for brailel sense. when yo go to voiceover, 
go to braille, then go to braille display, look for name as you use up and 
down arrows until yo find name it is important to add pin.


elizabeth, I have ios 10.2 and it is doing well.

important to make all apps having notification features as it is important 
for yo to allow or don't allow. if no response, then happens for long time 
utnil feature of app could cause bluetooth and cut off pairing. need to get 
someone toi redo bluetooth and repair to resume and get back. then check 
with any apps to see if they add new nortification features.



sincerely,
rich


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Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Braille display problem after update

Hello,

AS an F Y I, I had my Focus 40 Blue paired with my 6 Plus before updating to 
iOS 10.2.  It continues to function normally since the update.  Mind you, I 
have not attempted a new paring since the update, however.


Mark

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but 
the  focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. 
Maybe also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple 
accessibility.  They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti 
sto go back to IOS 10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it. 
Hope this ehlps. I look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God 
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wrote:
I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,
After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance


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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Scott Dollar]

Hi Elizabeth,

I have a question for you.

Which Braille Sense braille display that you are currently using with your 
iphone?  The reason is that I brought this question to you because Braille 
Sense has many different models of the braille display.

Thank you

Best regards,

Scott Dollar


From: Elizabeth Bowden 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Braille display problem after update

I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,

After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Melisa. How are you? The problem with th focus is that when you try to pair 
the focus 14 or 40   display, for the first time,  it does not work with IOs 
10.2. And if you get to pair it, it does not forget the device. And it does not 
connect the display at all. I'm a beta tester, and  that happen with my apple 
device. Below wil be a link of apple Vis site that talks more about it. Jut if 
yorudisplay works, do not impair it. I hv emy boyfriend that is deafblind and 
he uses it the display for everything.  Hope this clarifies some. I look 
forward in hering form yousoon. Thanks and God bless! 
http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-assistive-technology-braille-ios-news/apple-releases-ios-102-bringing-fixes-also-some-new
 

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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 10:50 PM, Melissa Tucker <melissatuck...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> I am using the focus 14 now running ios 10.2 with no problems.  I had to 
> reboot the devices once, but no problems since then.
> 
> 
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
> <d...@lifedesigns-inc.com> wrote:
> 
> My OnHand and 6S paired just fine after the 10.2 update.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Helga Schreiber
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update
>  
> Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the 
>  focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. 
> Maybe also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple 
> accessibility.  They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti 
> sto go back to IOS 10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  
> Hope this ehlps. I look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the blind 
>  
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  
> 
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> Students.
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> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
> 10.2 hello all,
> After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
> forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
> braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
> searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
> solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
> Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance
> 
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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Melissa Tucker]

I am using the focus 14 now running ios 10.2 with no problems.  I had to reboot 
the devices once, but no problems since then.


On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn <d...@lifedesigns-inc.com> 
wrote:

My OnHand and 6S paired just fine after the 10.2 update.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update
 
Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  


Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1   

On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,
After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Richard Turner]

Well, I've tried every reset with and without bluetooth on on both the iPhone 
and the Braille Sense OnHand, and after putting in the pairing code on the 
iPhone, it almost immediately says pairing unsuccessful.
Yet, it pairs with my 5s with no problem.
The 6s works fine with bluetooth earphones, so I don't think it is the 
bluetooth in the phone.
It is just one of those fun problems.
Richard



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"Any day above ground is a good day."


> On Dec 20, 2016, at 7:30 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> AS an F Y I, I had my Focus 40 Blue paired with my 6 Plus before updating to 
> iOS 10.2.  It continues to function normally since the update.  Mind you, I 
> have not attempted a new paring since the update, however.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Helga Schreiber
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update
> 
> Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the 
>  focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. 
> Maybe also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple 
> accessibility.  They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti 
> sto go back to IOS 10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  
> Hope this ehlps. I look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>  Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
> 
>  for the IPad help for the blind 
> 
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  
> 
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> Students.
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> 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
> 10.2 hello all,
> After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
> forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
> braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
> searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
> solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
> Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance
> 
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RE: Braille display problem after update

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

AS an F Y I, I had my Focus 40 Blue paired with my 6 Plus before updating to 
iOS 10.2.  It continues to function normally since the update.  Mind you, I 
have not attempted a new paring since the update, however.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
  for the IPad help for the blind 
 
ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  


Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
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believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,
After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi guys! That's great that  some braille displays work with your iPhones.  But 
apple reported that focus 14 and 40 displays don't  work with IOS 10.2. And I 
even  try it with my  devices since I own one. I'm actually a beta tester as 
well,and I tested that!  And apple knows about  this. So I'm not so sure  about 
braille sense but i know focus displays. I look forward inhering form yousoon. 
Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
Group Moderator  
 
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Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1

> On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:44 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
> <d...@lifedesigns-inc.com> wrote:
> 
> My OnHand and 6S paired just fine after the 10.2 update.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Helga Schreiber
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update
>  
> Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the 
>  focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. 
> Maybe also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple 
> accessibility.  They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti 
> sto go back to IOS 10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  
> Hope this ehlps. I look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
>   Helga Schreiber 
> Group Moderator  
>  
>   for the IPad help for the blind 
>  
> ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io  
> 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
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> 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1.1
> 
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
> 10.2 hello all,
> After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
> forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
> braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
> searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
> solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
> Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Braille display problem after update

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

My OnHand and 6S paired just fine after the 10.2 update.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Helga Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display problem after update

 

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 

Group Moderator  

 

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<mailto:ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io>   





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On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com 
<mailto:bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,

After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

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RE: Braille display problem after update

[Dulce Muccio Weisenborn]

I have an OnHand and a 6S.  I had no trouble paring after the 10.2 update.

 

Dulce

 

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Richard Turner
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I couldn't pair a Braille Sense OnHand with my work iPhone 6s today. But, it 
would pair with my personal iPhone 5s. Both running iOS 10.2.

I wrote HIMS, so we shall see if there is a known issue.

Richard

 

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On Dec 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreibe...@gmail.com 
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Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

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On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden <bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com 
<mailto:bowdenelizabe...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,

After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Richard Turner]

I couldn't pair a Braille Sense OnHand with my work iPhone 6s today. But, it 
would pair with my personal iPhone 5s. Both running iOS 10.2.
I wrote HIMS, so we shall see if there is a known issue.
Richard


"By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
- Satsuki Shibuya


(Sent from my iPod 6)

On Dec 20, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Helga Schreiber 
> wrote:

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

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On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden 
> wrote:


I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
10.2 hello all,

After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I forgot 
the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the braille 
display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is searching DMD.  
Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a solution.? I've 
already restarted each device at least four times turned off Bluetooth and 
Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance

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Re: Braille display problem after update

[Helga Schreiber]

Hi Elisabeth. How are you?  I'm not so sure about the braille  sense, but the  
focus 14 and 40 displasy don't work with IOs 10.2. It is a bug with it. Maybe 
also with the braillesense. Maybe you should tel that  to apple accessibility.  
They need tofix the displays.  The only optin I may suges ti sto go back to IOS 
10.1.1 if you really want t use your isplay adn pair it.  Hope this ehlps. I 
look forward in hering from yousoon. Thanks and God bless!

  Helga Schreiber 
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> On Dec 20, 2016, at 8:49 PM, Elizabeth Bowden  
> wrote:
> 
> I can't add my braille sense as a braille display after upgrading to version 
> 10.2 hello all,
> After updating to version 10.2 my braille display was running slow so I 
> forgot the device. However, now I can't get the Bluetooth. To search for the 
> braille display in voiceover. Under the braille settings all I have is 
> searching DMD.  Has anyone else had this problem and could you suggest a 
> solution.? I've already restarted each device at least four times turned off 
> Bluetooth and Wi-Fi on both of them several timesThanks in advance
> 
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Re: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also

[Dani Pagador]

Thanks, guys. Coffee hasn't kicked in yet.

More Later,
Dani

On 11/16/16, Larry Lumpkin <llump...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> No, the orbit will work with both android and ios.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dani Pagador
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also
>
> Hi, Richard.
> Isn't the Orbit Android-based? I'll go look again to make sure, but I
> thought I rmember reading somewhere in some tech newsletter that it was.
>
>
>
> On 11/14/16, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Thanks much Richard, that sounds like a plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 5:22 PM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip and all, I started a new thread since changing the subject still
>> shows up in the thread of the original.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip, depending on how many cells you want, I'm personally holding out
>> to see what the Orbit 20 from APH is like when it is released,
>> hopefully within a couple months.
>>
>> The target was to sell it for $500 or so.
>>
>> It is 20 cells, bluetooth and USB, and has the input keys, but no
>> voice of its own and none of the other features of a full note taker.
>> Though it will have an SD card so you could load books on it.
>>
>> From there, you jump up to over $1000 to the Smart Beatle from HIMS
>> which I think is a 16 cell display.
>>
>> Freedom Scientific makes a 14 or 40 cell display, but frankly, I don't
>> think they are particularly well made.
>>
>> HIMS makes the 40 cell Braille Edge, which has some basic note taker
>> functions, but no voice and is really designed as a display and input
>> device, but it is almost $3000.
>>
>> HIMS also makes the Smart Beatle I think still, but it is only 16
>> cells I believe.
>>
>> Then there are the Vario Ultra displays from Baum USA. The smaller one
>> is 20 cells at around $2400 and the 40 cell around $3300 I think.
>>
>> Perkins also makes one but I don't know if it has bluetooth.
>>
>> I use the Braille Edge for work and it is very nice.
>>
>> But, if I am spending my own money, I'm going to give the Orbit 20 a
>> good look when it is released.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>>
>> - Satsuki Shibuya
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No Richard … I’ve never used a braille display, but recently I’ve
>> thought about looking into getting one.
>>
>>
>>
>> I really only know I want just a display, and not one of the expensive
>> full-featured note takers, but I have no idea where to start looking
>> for a small inexpensive display.  I’ve seen many comments that there’s
>> a problem with the bluetooth implementation of one called the
>> Brailliant, which otherwise would be a good choice (but many people
>> complain of bluetooth speed and connection problems).
>>
>>
>>
>> So, I’ve changed the subject on this in case I can get recommendations
>> for a braille display.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Chip, I didn’t realize that about Blind Square.
>>
>> Have you used Aeriadne GPS with a braille display?
>>
>> I have not.  It is a good app but since BlindSquare has done so well
>> around here, I hadn’t used it for a while.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Chip Oran

RE: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also

[Larry Lumpkin]

No, the orbit will work with both android and ios.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dani Pagador
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also

Hi, Richard.
Isn't the Orbit Android-based? I'll go look again to make sure, but I thought I 
rmember reading somewhere in some tech newsletter that it was.



On 11/14/16, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks much Richard, that sounds like a plan.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 5:22 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip and all, I started a new thread since changing the subject still 
> shows up in the thread of the original.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip, depending on how many cells you want, I'm personally holding out 
> to see what the Orbit 20 from APH is like when it is released, 
> hopefully within a couple months.
>
> The target was to sell it for $500 or so.
>
> It is 20 cells, bluetooth and USB, and has the input keys, but no 
> voice of its own and none of the other features of a full note taker. 
> Though it will have an SD card so you could load books on it.
>
> From there, you jump up to over $1000 to the Smart Beatle from HIMS 
> which I think is a 16 cell display.
>
> Freedom Scientific makes a 14 or 40 cell display, but frankly, I don't 
> think they are particularly well made.
>
> HIMS makes the 40 cell Braille Edge, which has some basic note taker 
> functions, but no voice and is really designed as a display and input 
> device, but it is almost $3000.
>
> HIMS also makes the Smart Beatle I think still, but it is only 16 
> cells I believe.
>
> Then there are the Vario Ultra displays from Baum USA. The smaller one 
> is 20 cells at around $2400 and the 40 cell around $3300 I think.
>
> Perkins also makes one but I don't know if it has bluetooth.
>
> I use the Braille Edge for work and it is very nice.
>
> But, if I am spending my own money, I'm going to give the Orbit 20 a 
> good look when it is released.
>
>
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>
> - Satsuki Shibuya
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chip Orange <lists3...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> No Richard … I’ve never used a braille display, but recently I’ve 
> thought about looking into getting one.
>
>
>
> I really only know I want just a display, and not one of the expensive 
> full-featured note takers, but I have no idea where to start looking 
> for a small inexpensive display.  I’ve seen many comments that there’s 
> a problem with the bluetooth implementation of one called the 
> Brailliant, which otherwise would be a good choice (but many people 
> complain of bluetooth speed and connection problems).
>
>
>
> So, I’ve changed the subject on this in case I can get recommendations 
> for a braille display.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>
>
>
> Thanks Chip, I didn’t realize that about Blind Square.
>
> Have you used Aeriadne GPS with a braille display?
>
> I have not.  It is a good app but since BlindSquare has done so well 
> around here, I hadn’t used it for a while.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>
>
>
> Hi Todd,
>
>
>
> Blind Square only uses street map data from a free data source called 
> “Open Street Map”, and it’s quite inaccurate.  In my location, it has 
> street names wrong, and locations of intersections off by hundreds of yards 
> (or meters).
>
>
>
> Sendero uses a commercial map supplier, and it’s data is quite 
> accurate, but of course much more expensive.
>
>
>
> I’ve written to the author of Blind Square to ask if he could add a 
> feature to allow users to report mapping errors, report corrections to 
> street names and locations, etc., and he said 

Re: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

I'm quite sure it's designed to work with iOS as well as Android.

Best,
Anna



> On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:55 PM, Dani Pagador  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Richard.
> Isn't the Orbit Android-based? I'll go look again to make sure, but I
> thought I rmember reading somewhere in some tech newsletter that it
> was.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/14/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> Thanks much Richard, that sounds like a plan.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 5:22 PM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chip and all, I started a new thread since changing the subject still shows
>> up in the thread of the original.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chip, depending on how many cells you want, I'm personally holding out to
>> see what the Orbit 20 from APH is like when it is released, hopefully within
>> a couple months.
>> 
>> The target was to sell it for $500 or so.
>> 
>> It is 20 cells, bluetooth and USB, and has the input keys, but no voice of
>> its own and none of the other features of a full note taker. Though it will
>> have an SD card so you could load books on it.
>> 
>> From there, you jump up to over $1000 to the Smart Beatle from HIMS which I
>> think is a 16 cell display.
>> 
>> Freedom Scientific makes a 14 or 40 cell display, but frankly, I don't think
>> they are particularly well made.
>> 
>> HIMS makes the 40 cell Braille Edge, which has some basic note taker
>> functions, but no voice and is really designed as a display and input
>> device, but it is almost $3000.
>> 
>> HIMS also makes the Smart Beatle I think still, but it is only 16 cells I
>> believe.
>> 
>> Then there are the Vario Ultra displays from Baum USA. The smaller one is 20
>> cells at around $2400 and the 40 cell around $3300 I think.
>> 
>> Perkins also makes one but I don't know if it has bluetooth.
>> 
>> I use the Braille Edge for work and it is very nice.
>> 
>> But, if I am spending my own money, I'm going to give the Orbit 20 a good
>> look when it is released.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>> 
>> - Satsuki Shibuya
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> No Richard … I’ve never used a braille display, but recently I’ve thought
>> about looking into getting one.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I really only know I want just a display, and not one of the expensive
>> full-featured note takers, but I have no idea where to start looking for a
>> small inexpensive display.  I’ve seen many comments that there’s a problem
>> with the bluetooth implementation of one called the Brailliant, which
>> otherwise would be a good choice (but many people complain of bluetooth
>> speed and connection problems).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, I’ve changed the subject on this in case I can get recommendations for a
>> braille display.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:20 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks Chip, I didn’t realize that about Blind Square.
>> 
>> Have you used Aeriadne GPS with a braille display?
>> 
>> I have not.  It is a good app but since BlindSquare has done so well around
>> here, I hadn’t used it for a while.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Chip Orange
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:13 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Todd,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Blind Square only uses street map data from a free data source called “Open
>> Street Map”, and it’s quite inaccurate.  In my location, it has street names
>> wrong, and locations of intersections off by hundreds of yards (or meters).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sendero uses a commercial map supplier, and it’s data is quite accurate, but
>> of course much more expensive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I’ve written to the author of Blind Square to ask if he could add a feature
>> to allow users to report mapping errors, report corrections to street names
>> and locations, etc., and he said no, it’s not ever going to be in his plans.
>> He only downloads new maps once a year to begin with, so he doesn’t think
>> offering corrections would even be helpful to such infrequent updates.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is a third mapping choice called Arriadne GPS, which is even less
>> expensive than Blind Square, but which uses Google Mapping data which I
>> believe is constantly updated and is more accurate for street map locations
>> 

Re: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also

[Dani Pagador]

Hi, Richard.
Isn't the Orbit Android-based? I'll go look again to make sure, but I
thought I rmember reading somewhere in some tech newsletter that it
was.



On 11/14/16, Chip Orange  wrote:
> Thanks much Richard, that sounds like a plan.
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 5:22 PM
> To: ViPone list
> Subject: Braille display recommendations for Chip, et also
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip and all, I started a new thread since changing the subject still shows
> up in the thread of the original.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip, depending on how many cells you want, I'm personally holding out to
> see what the Orbit 20 from APH is like when it is released, hopefully within
> a couple months.
>
> The target was to sell it for $500 or so.
>
> It is 20 cells, bluetooth and USB, and has the input keys, but no voice of
> its own and none of the other features of a full note taker. Though it will
> have an SD card so you could load books on it.
>
> From there, you jump up to over $1000 to the Smart Beatle from HIMS which I
> think is a 16 cell display.
>
> Freedom Scientific makes a 14 or 40 cell display, but frankly, I don't think
> they are particularly well made.
>
> HIMS makes the 40 cell Braille Edge, which has some basic note taker
> functions, but no voice and is really designed as a display and input
> device, but it is almost $3000.
>
> HIMS also makes the Smart Beatle I think still, but it is only 16 cells I
> believe.
>
> Then there are the Vario Ultra displays from Baum USA. The smaller one is 20
> cells at around $2400 and the 40 cell around $3300 I think.
>
> Perkins also makes one but I don't know if it has bluetooth.
>
> I use the Braille Edge for work and it is very nice.
>
> But, if I am spending my own money, I'm going to give the Orbit 20 a good
> look when it is released.
>
>
>
>
>
> HTH,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
> “By doing what you love, you inspire and awaken the hearts of others."
>
> - Satsuki Shibuya
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (Sent from my iPod 6)
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>
>
>
>
> No Richard … I’ve never used a braille display, but recently I’ve thought
> about looking into getting one.
>
>
>
> I really only know I want just a display, and not one of the expensive
> full-featured note takers, but I have no idea where to start looking for a
> small inexpensive display.  I’ve seen many comments that there’s a problem
> with the bluetooth implementation of one called the Brailliant, which
> otherwise would be a good choice (but many people complain of bluetooth
> speed and connection problems).
>
>
>
> So, I’ve changed the subject on this in case I can get recommendations for a
> braille display.
>
>
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 4:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>
>
>
> Thanks Chip, I didn’t realize that about Blind Square.
>
> Have you used Aeriadne GPS with a braille display?
>
> I have not.  It is a good app but since BlindSquare has done so well around
> here, I hadn’t used it for a while.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chip Orange
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:13 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Vehicle locator GPS app
>
>
>
> Hi Todd,
>
>
>
> Blind Square only uses street map data from a free data source called “Open
> Street Map”, and it’s quite inaccurate.  In my location, it has street names
> wrong, and locations of intersections off by hundreds of yards (or meters).
>
>
>
> Sendero uses a commercial map supplier, and it’s data is quite accurate, but
> of course much more expensive.
>
>
>
> I’ve written to the author of Blind Square to ask if he could add a feature
> to allow users to report mapping errors, report corrections to street names
> and locations, etc., and he said no, it’s not ever going to be in his plans.
>  He only downloads new maps once a year to begin with, so he doesn’t think
> offering corrections would even be helpful to such infrequent updates.
>
>
>
> There is a third mapping choice called Arriadne GPS, which is even less
> expensive than Blind Square, but which uses Google Mapping data which I
> believe is constantly updated and is more accurate for street map locations
> (but may not be as accurate for business locations).
>
>
>
> Hth,
>
>
>
> Chip
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Todd Patkus
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 1:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Vehicle locator GPS app
>
>
>
> All:
>
>
>
> I am aware of the device used to track all routes that records all the
> routes one goes then later view the recorded data from the travel.
>
>
>
>