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I don't care a lot for the new iTunes, but I can use it for my limited needs. Takes longer but what else is new. At least I can tell where I am and move on. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Well, you're certainly right, in my opinion, about Windows Media Player. I don't even use it. I have updated to iTunes 12 and I actually like it better than previous versions. It is a different interface, and I suspect there are some accessibility issues, at least I have heard of some, but I think what trips up a number of people is that it is not the way they expect it to be from using previous versions. The shortcut keys can get you around rather easily and the help file contains a very extensive list of additional shortcut keys. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs I'm not a big iTunes fan, but other than maybe FooBar, every media library application I've used as been a pretty unique experience. Winamp may have a lot of hot keys, but they aren't standard and try working with remote content through Winamp. Windows Media Playre also has a pretty unique interface that takes some getting used to. If you have to jump through hoops to learn a media player anyway, it might as well be iTunes if you're going to use it with your Apple devices. I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iTunes, and I don't really care what multimedia player people use, but if you want an application to manage your media library, and you own an Apple device, you might as well give iTunes a try and see how it stacks up against Winamp, WMP or whatever accessible multimedia player you can find. On 11/04/2014 01:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Neal, And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things I avoid iTunes if I can or I hate iTunes or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Matthews *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess fully accessible can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs
All of this reminds me of the early days of computers before Windows when each software developer had their own interface for their applications. You really had to get your head around how the developer had designed the application before it became second nature to you. With Windows And Mac Os development, all of a sudden, all things mostly looked the same, or at least they had the same flavor such that you didn't have to have a different mind set for each application. In this way, iTunes is different. Yes, some of the basic Windows and Mac navigation is there, but there is a lot of stuff on top of this that one has to either fight or figure out what the programmer must have been thinking when iTunes was developed. I don't use iTunes a lot, so I didn't really get a good feel for it up to this point. I don't use it any more now, but, somehow, version 12 seems easier for me to get my head around. Of course, this may be where my head is to start with. This is to say that not everyone may feel this way, but this has caused me to go back and appreciate where those of us who have been around for a long time have come from with regard to software. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 6:22 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs I don't care a lot for the new iTunes, but I can use it for my limited needs. Takes longer but what else is new. At least I can tell where I am and move on. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Well, you're certainly right, in my opinion, about Windows Media Player. I don't even use it. I have updated to iTunes 12 and I actually like it better than previous versions. It is a different interface, and I suspect there are some accessibility issues, at least I have heard of some, but I think what trips up a number of people is that it is not the way they expect it to be from using previous versions. The shortcut keys can get you around rather easily and the help file contains a very extensive list of additional shortcut keys. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs I'm not a big iTunes fan, but other than maybe FooBar, every media library application I've used as been a pretty unique experience. Winamp may have a lot of hot keys, but they aren't standard and try working with remote content through Winamp. Windows Media Playre also has a pretty unique interface that takes some getting used to. If you have to jump through hoops to learn a media player anyway, it might as well be iTunes if you're going to use it with your Apple devices. I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iTunes, and I don't really care what multimedia player people use, but if you want an application to manage your media library, and you own an Apple device, you might as well give iTunes a try and see how it stacks up against Winamp, WMP or whatever accessible multimedia player you can find. On 11/04/2014 01:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Neal, And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things I avoid iTunes if I can or I hate iTunes or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don t work
Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs
Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com mailto:miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
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Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what’s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com
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This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren’t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don’t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don’t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what’s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller mailto:miller...@gmail.com miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [ mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version
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Hi Neal, And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things “I avoid iTunes if I can” or “I hate iTunes” or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn’t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Neal Ewers Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren’t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don’t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don’t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what’s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin Matthews Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller mailto:miller...@gmail.com miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers mailto:neal.ew...@ravenswood.org neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s
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I'm not a big iTunes fan, but other than maybe FooBar, every media library application I've used as been a pretty unique experience. Winamp may have a lot of hot keys, but they aren't standard and try working with remote content through Winamp. Windows Media Playre also has a pretty unique interface that takes some getting used to. If you have to jump through hoops to learn a media player anyway, it might as well be iTunes if you're going to use it with your Apple devices. I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iTunes, and I don't really care what multimedia player people use, but if you want an application to manage your media library, and you own an Apple device, you might as well give iTunes a try and see how it stacks up against Winamp, WMP or whatever accessible multimedia player you can find. On 11/04/2014 01:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Neal, And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things “I avoid iTunes if I can” or “I hate iTunes” or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn’t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren’t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don’t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don’t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Matthews *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what’s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess “fully accessible” can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What’s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it’s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Colin Matthews *Sent:*Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:*Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people have not liked the new layout and have found it a bit tricky to get used to! But everything is labeled and there are key strokes to move from say Music to others like Apps or Tones! And because of other posts those commands [with a different key] are available in the Windows version as well! On the Mac Command+any of the numbers 1 through 9 and 0 takes you to one of the options and on Windows i believe its the control key with any of the numbers! But the bottom line is that iTunes12 is accessible! If you do not like how it works or the layout thats a different! HTH Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 06:43, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com mailto:miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only
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Well, you're certainly right, in my opinion, about Windows Media Player. I don't even use it. I have updated to iTunes 12 and I actually like it better than previous versions. It is a different interface, and I suspect there are some accessibility issues, at least I have heard of some, but I think what trips up a number of people is that it is not the way they expect it to be from using previous versions. The shortcut keys can get you around rather easily and the help file contains a very extensive list of additional shortcut keys. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 8:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs I'm not a big iTunes fan, but other than maybe FooBar, every media library application I've used as been a pretty unique experience. Winamp may have a lot of hot keys, but they aren't standard and try working with remote content through Winamp. Windows Media Playre also has a pretty unique interface that takes some getting used to. If you have to jump through hoops to learn a media player anyway, it might as well be iTunes if you're going to use it with your Apple devices. I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iTunes, and I don't really care what multimedia player people use, but if you want an application to manage your media library, and you own an Apple device, you might as well give iTunes a try and see how it stacks up against Winamp, WMP or whatever accessible multimedia player you can find. On 11/04/2014 01:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Neal, And you have to also take into consideration that iTunes somehow still has a reputation for being clunky, slow and well, inaccessible and very hard to use. I see so many messages on here where people say things I avoid iTunes if I can or I hate iTunes or and so on. I used to use Winamp and Windows Media player a bit and I am not saying Winamp doesn t have good hot key navigation and so on, but iTunes has been my choice for a long time of course largely due to the fact that I started using iOS devices 5 years ago and I decided that to get the most of my iOS device I better learn how I can get the most out of iTunes. Could iTunes be better? Of course it could and I hope in time it will improve, but it is very accessible and once you understand the basic principles about syncing, the different libraries and areas such as your libraries, your devices and the iTunes store it really is quite nice. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 9:37 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs This does raise an interesting point. Sometimes we think things are not accessible because they really aren t, or at least parts of them are not. But sometimes, if there is a totally different interface as there is in iTunes 12 and things do not look like we are used to seeing, we may think they just don t work. Sometimes, parts of them really don t work. The only way to know this is to actually update yourself and check it out. This is what I am about to do. Thanks all for your feedback. Neal *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Matthews *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 3:14 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hahahahaha you got me there! Yes not getting that apps what s new info is on the Mac version! I posted to the list to confirm that to you! *smile* to let you know that it was not a jaws problem! Ok iTunes12 is almost totally accessible! Colin On 4 Nov 2014, at 08:46, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: I guess fully accessible can be subjective. I heard that on the Mac version of iTunes it is also not possible to read the What s New section of apps. Maybe I was misinformed, but while the Windows version also is very accessible and in some ways I think is nicer than before, it does have a few oddities or things where it is more involved to do something and not being able to see what is new when there is an app update is something one can work around, but it s unfortunate. Regards, Sieghard *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]*On Behalf Of*Colin Matthews *Sent:*Tuesday, November 04, 2014 12:39 AM *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:*Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi! Sorry Neal I do not understand why you think iTunes12 is not accessible! Unless your talking about the windows version! On the Mac iTunes12 is fully accessible but people
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Hi Sieghard No, I didn’t update to IOs8. I had a very bad experience when the release of IOs7 came out, and I guess that you remember those times. Now, again. I don’t know why I feel that apple is damaging the private property when they decrease the accessibility with each IOs release, and the blind users mandatory has to sufrir those bugs, by months. I know that are people who is going to say that there is android, yes, it is true, and android is pretty good, but the accessibility is a little bit behind apple. But if we see the prices of android and apple, maybe the price is going to be more important that an accessibility more complex. According with my view, apple is pushing everybody to use whatever release they have, no matter bugs, no matter how bad is the accessibility, no matter anything. Oh, please do not respond me that the accessibility improve when we report bugs to apple. I don’t work for apple, sorry, it is not my job. Their job is create IOs with a better quality. Moreover, are beta testers that report those bugs to apple, and apple didn’t care about it. Now here we are. IOs 8.1, and many bugs irritating our life. Yes I know that every release brings bugs. But apple is the only one who push every body to sufrir their bugs. Apple is the only one who push their customers to detect their bugs, apple is the only company on the world that is treating their customers on this way. No Microsoft, no Compuware, no adobe, no corel, no any other company. As I said. My iPhone 5s, is the last apple device that I will get. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my
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Well, it is a solution that I didn’t think. Let me try. Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi, It sounds like Pablo wants to restore his phone back to factory settings. All you need to do is go to settings/general/reset/reset all settings. I understand he is running version 7.12 and just want to start fresh. On 11/2/2014 2:14 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
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Yes, it is true. Let me see what happen, I could do anything. Or could do something. Thanks From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Rob, Your recommendation will Reset all settings, but it will not in fact do a full restore of iOS 7.1.2. I guess it might be the next best thing, just not quite the same as doing that full restore where iOS is reinstalled on the device via iTunes. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi, It sounds like Pablo wants to restore his phone back to factory settings. All you need to do is go to settings/general/reset/reset all settings. I understand he is running version 7.12 and just want to start fresh. On 11/2/2014 2:14 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post
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Pablo, iOS8.1 works better than I'd thought, if judging by the complaints I'd heard reported on this list about it. As for Apple being 'the only ones who push' etc., well, i can think of one big company in the blindness computer industry who do similar to them, LOL. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard No, I didn’t update to IOs8. I had a very bad experience when the release of IOs7 came out, and I guess that you remember those times. Now, again. I don’t know why I feel that apple is damaging the private property when they decrease the accessibility with each IOs release, and the blind users mandatory has to sufrir those bugs, by months. I know that are people who is going to say that there is android, yes, it is true, and android is pretty good, but the accessibility is a little bit behind apple. But if we see the prices of android and apple, maybe the price is going to be more important that an accessibility more complex. According with my view, apple is pushing everybody to use whatever release they have, no matter bugs, no matter how bad is the accessibility, no matter anything. Oh, please do not respond me that the accessibility improve when we report bugs to apple. I don’t work for apple, sorry, it is not my job. Their job is create IOs with a better quality. Moreover, are beta testers that report those bugs to apple, and apple didn’t care about it. Now here we are. IOs 8.1, and many bugs irritating our life. Yes I know that every release brings bugs. But apple is the only one who push every body to sufrir their bugs. Apple is the only one who push their customers to detect their bugs, apple is the only company on the world that is treating their customers on this way. No Microsoft, no Compuware, no adobe, no corel, no any other company. As I said. My iPhone 5s, is the last apple device that I will get. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying
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If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn't install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can't go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn't do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don't mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn't update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather
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Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members
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Hi, Alan, you are not correct. If you choose to erase all content and settings from the phone, you’ll still keep the version of iOS that was installed before doing the erase. The only way you get updated is if you restore through iTunes itself. On Nov 4, 2014, at 12:27 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Alan, while I am no expert on this matter, I was told yesterday by Apple Accessibility that if I restored, the restore would install the current OS which, as of this writing, is 8.1. I think Apple tries hard to insure that people keep up with the latest software. This is also why they no longer sell iTunes 11.4. My wife has an older version and wants to get the same version I have which is 11.4. I was told that this could no longer be gotten from apple and if we did find a third party download of 11.4 Apple would not support it. So, in order to use iTunes to update to 8.1, my wife will have to update to iTunes 12. It’s lack of total accessibility will not bother her because she doesn’t use a screen reader, but it sure does effect others in this situation and people who need to restore. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 9:46 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs If I'm following this thread correctly, one cannot choose, Settings, General, Reset, Erase all content and settings and still maintain the current iOS that was on the phone at the time of doing the reset. I'm puzzled why there's no option to reset the device without getting rid of the operating system in the process. Is my understanding correct? Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall
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Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com
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Yes, as far as I know if you try a restore and a new version of iOS is available it will restore to the newest version. I thought you had upgraded to iOS 8 after the 8.1 update came out? Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 12:14 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone
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Hi, It sounds like Pablo wants to restore his phone back to factory settings. All you need to do is go to settings/general/reset/reset all settings. I understand he is running version 7.12 and just want to start fresh. On 11/2/2014 2:14 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? *From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel *Sent:* Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Morales *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:* restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information
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Hi Rob, Your recommendation will Reset all settings, but it will not in fact do a full restore of iOS 7.1.2. I guess it might be the next best thing, just not quite the same as doing that full restore where iOS is reinstalled on the device via iTunes. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 1:25 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi, It sounds like Pablo wants to restore his phone back to factory settings. All you need to do is go to settings/general/reset/reset all settings. I understand he is running version 7.12 and just want to start fresh. On 11/2/2014 2:14 PM, Pablo Morales wrote: Hi Sieghard Yes, it is a good question. Why If I am running IOs 7.1.2, I want to reinstall IOs 7.1.2 again? Well, it is because at the last days, I am looking some problems with my phone. For example, my iPhone is not telling me who is calling, and it is maybe around 3 weeks ago. Now, in the last 4 days, VO is crashing, no reason why. More over, I am noticing some little problems using the phone, like the same problems that a reinstallation fix. But, I understand that because apple wants, I can not reinstall the same IOs 7.1.2 on my phone, when I didn’t install IOs 8? It is true? From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:15 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself
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No there isn't because Apple stopped signing it shortly after iOS 8.0.2 was released. Without this iTunes can't verify the software so therefore cannot install or reinstall it. The only way around this I believe is to jailbreak the phone. On 1 Nov 2014, at 18:05, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: restoring iPhone to the same IOs
Hi Pablo, As Christopher pointed out, you can’t go to iOS 7 at this point. Just having the iOS 7.1.2 software file on your computer doesn’t do anything, if you want to manually restore from a downloaded IPSW file you have to use the Shift+Enter command on the Restore button. This will open a standard Windows Open File dialogue, here you would now browse to the folder where your IPSW file is located and you would select it. But as I said, this can only be done successfully if whichever IPSW file you have is still valid/signed by Apple. If you don’t mind me asking, if you had iOS 7.1.2 on your 5S, why did you want to restore to the same software? Your only option now is to do a restore which means that the latest iOS version will be downloaded and your phone will be restored to iOS 8.1. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:05 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: restoring iPhone to the same IOs Hi all. I downloaded the IOs 7.1.2, and I followed the steps about how rename the file downloaded, and all these steps. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that if I have the IOs7.1.2 file stored in my computer, and my iPhone is running IOs 7.1.2, I was able to reinstall IOs7.1.2 again. But iTunes is saying that an unknown error is happening and the restore can not be done. Now I tried to do in 2 different computers, one running the last iTunes version, and the other running the previous version of iTunes, I guess 11.3.1.2 But the same error. I was wrong thinking that If I am using IOs 7.1.2 in my iPhone 5s, and if I have the IOs 7.1.2 file in my computer I was able to reinstall this IOs in my iPhone again? If I didn’t update my iPhone, but I want to reinstall the current IOs that I have in my iPhone, and I have the IOs file of my current version stored in my computer, is no way to reinstall the IOs again? Thanks -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
