RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I agree that when I see a broad generalization in an article or post, or an obvious bias, I find it off putting, and it raises questions in my mind about everything else contained in the article or post. IMHO, if someone wants to be taken seriously then they shouldn’t make such broad biased statements. I see this sometimes when Android users talk about Apple or Apple users talk about Google or Linux users talk about Microsoft and so on. I still read the article, and I think it’s a valid issue, but I did find it off putting and I did take everything else with a grain of salt because of it. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns about access to books. One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially Kindle. I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. She would buy the book. But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. That's BS! I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my breath. My friend really needs human read books. So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of all The New Y
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Are you an attorney?Can you prove your statements? I doube it! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Maria Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. --Edmund Burke On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the > digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, > because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you > agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner >> wrote: >> >> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. >> Or if you can, I have never heard of it. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >> what they become by it." >> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 >> >> Web site: www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Joshua Hendrickson >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, >> worth reading and considering >> >> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from >> audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to >> mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot >> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled >> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, >> it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write >> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. >> >>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: >>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is >>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, >>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books. >>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to >>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend >>> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available >>> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. >>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or >>> especially Kindle. >>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download >>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. >>> She would buy the book. >>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with >>> Amazon. >>> That's BS! >>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not >>> holding my breath. >>> My friend really needs human read books. >>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn >>> powerful. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >>> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 >>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno >>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL >>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu >>> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 >>> >>> >>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >>> >>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are >>> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such >>> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to >>> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many >>> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would >>> make many of them feel insantly defensive. >>> >>> From: viphone@goo
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
When it comes to audible, I'd just rather use my iPhone to listen to titles. The audible plus stuff which is free stuff, can only be downloaded on to your iPhone. I just have so much stuff from bard, bookshare, graphic audio and other places, I'm not really looking for a lot of audio books at the moment. Audible is rather down on my list these days. Audible is okay and I'm glad I have a membership, but I'm not really using it or thinking about it much these days. I'll pay my $230 next year so I can get my 24 credits. I have the most expensive plan because I can get 3 books with 3 credits for around $30 instead of $35. Also, if you use the audible app, you can purchase one credit for one book through your audible app for $15 should you wish. On 5/25/21, Maria Campbell wrote: > It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now > that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc. > > > Maria Campbell > lucky1i...@gmail.com > > All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. > --Edmund Burke > > On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off >> the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, >> because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you >> agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. >>> Or if you can, I have never heard of it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but >>> what they become by it." >>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 >>> >>> Web site: www.turner42.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >>> Joshua Hendrickson >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio >>> books, worth reading and considering >>> >>> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book >>> from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to >>> mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a >>> lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I >>> canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or >>> bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have >>> audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. >>> >>>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: >>>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is >>>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, >>>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books. >>>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to >>>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend >>>> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available >>>> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology >>>> book. >>>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or >>>> especially Kindle. >>>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download >>>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. >>>> She would buy the book. >>>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with >>>> Amazon. >>>> That's BS! >>>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not >>>> holding my breath. >>>> My friend really needs human read books. >>>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn >>>> powerful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard >>>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >>>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >>>> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >>>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 >>>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno >>>> wn%7CTW
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I have no difficulty putting audible books on our streams. I just download them and point Humanware companion to the folder where they are. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/001601d75245%2412e3d0a0%2438ab71e0%24%40austin.rr.com.
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. --Edmund Burke On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote: I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner wrote: Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. Or if you can, I have never heard of it. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns about access to books. One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially Kindle. I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. She would buy the book. But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. That's BS! I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my breath. My friend really needs human read books. So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil&qu
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So your address is? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of James English Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:13 am To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I know of a website offering inaudible easily, and I ran a virus scanner over it. If you're interested, write me off list because I doubt the list admins want those sorts of links on their mailing list. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > I do this for kindle books, but only for my own use; legal or not, if > I buy the book, and do not give it to someone else, I figure no one is > going to knock on my door and arrest me for making things more > accessible for myself. > But, Audible audio books are not so easy. The app mentioned, > "Inaudible" is very hard to find, and often loaded with Trojan viruses > from all the reviews I've read. > Plus, if the book in particular my friend wanss was available through > another soursce like Libro.fm, I could get it far cheaper than having > her buy the Audible copy as a nonmember and try to convert it with > suspect or purchased software, which I'm not going to do. > Thanks, > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > > On May 25, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip > off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s > not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of > service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner > > wrote: > > Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. > Or if you can, I have never heard of it. > > > > Richard > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, > but what they become by it." > - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 > > Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575604658421681%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=UTcAMmAN2Vlp%2F8OBjt4hSPv1nKU%2BoexCp7k > 2FcU6L00%3Dreserved=0 > > > > -----Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book > from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to > mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then > a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if > I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from > bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you > don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the > book. > > On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is > offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, > however it raises huge concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to > spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend > who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available > through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology > book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or > especially Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download > an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with > Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not > holding my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn > powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640
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Thank you. I am going to leave this subject drop as it was never intended to open a debate, but I should know better. Good luck to anyone who thinks they can find audio books that are exclusive to Audible on OverDrive, a library program, or anywhere else. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> From: 'Dave Sheridan' via VIPhone Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Hi Richard Thank you for sharing this And concerns, along with those of the author of the piece, about the concerns of access for all. Unlike others who have replied to you, I am in full agreement with what you have said. If we leave it to individuals like those who have offered to convert it from audible then we will still have a huge audience of people who would still be denied the coness spoken about. Where will such practice end? Dave Sent from my iPhone On 25 May 2021, at 17:12, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote: As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns about access to books. One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially Kindle. I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. She would buy the book. But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. That's BS! I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my breath. My friend really needs human read books. So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Hi Richard Thank you for sharing this And concerns, along with those of the author of the piece, about the concerns of access for all. Unlike others who have replied to you, I am in full agreement with what you have said. If we leave it to individuals like those who have offered to convert it from audible then we will still have a huge audience of people who would still be denied the coness spoken about. Where will such practice end? Dave Sent from my iPhone > On 25 May 2021, at 17:12, Richard Turner wrote: > > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, > which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge > concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the > word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year > old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was > written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially > Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 > file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding > my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss > people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > >>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> >> >> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are >> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the >> author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the >> majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from >> Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel >> insantly defensive. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, >> worth reading and considering >> >> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is >> your right. >> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. >> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country >> are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. >> >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >> >> www.turner42.com >> >> >> >> On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> >> I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's >> just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the >> government is evil". >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, >> worth reading and considering >> >> I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole >> heartedly with the sentiment. >> >> The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks >> by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks >> >> We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy >> audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely >> independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores >> and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. >> >> One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain >> audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah >> and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. >> >> Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story >> only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 >> >> While Libro.fm has
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I know of a website offering inaudible easily, and I ran a virus scanner over it. If you're interested, write me off list because I doubt the list admins want those sorts of links on their mailing list. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > I do this for kindle books, but only for my own use; legal or not, if I buy > the book, and do not give it to someone else, I figure no one is going to > knock on my door and arrest me for making things more accessible for > myself. > But, Audible audio books are not so easy. The app mentioned, "Inaudible" is > very hard to find, and often loaded with Trojan viruses from all the reviews > I've read. > Plus, if the book in particular my friend wanss was available through > another soursce like Libro.fm, I could get it far cheaper than having her > buy the Audible copy as a nonmember and try to convert it with suspect or > purchased software, which I'm not going to do. > Thanks, > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > > On May 25, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off > the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, > because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you > agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. > Or if you can, I have never heard of it. > > > > Richard > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but > what they become by it." > - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 > > Web site: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc49866f40add49c16bfe08d91fa26850%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575604658421681%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=UTcAMmAN2Vlp%2F8OBjt4hSPv1nKU%2BoexCp7k2FcU6L00%3Dreserved=0 > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, > worth reading and considering > > What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from > audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to > mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot > of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled > my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, > it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write > me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. > > On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is > offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, > however it raises huge concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to > spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend > who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available > through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology > book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or > especially Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download > an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with > Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not > holding my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn > powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu > CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Maybe my statement came across the wrong way,
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I think audible has the same right to have exclusive deals with authors/publishers as anyone else. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. > Or if you can, I have never heard of it. > > > > Richard > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what > they become by it." > - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 > > Web site: www.turner42.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Joshua Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book > from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to > mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot > of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled > my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, > it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write > me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. > >> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: >> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is >> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, >> however it raises huge concerns about access to books. >> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to >> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a >> friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only >> available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic >> theology book. >> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or >> especially Kindle. >> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download >> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. >> She would buy the book. >> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement >> with Amazon. >> That's BS! >> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not >> holding my breath. >> My friend really needs human read books. >> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn >> powerful. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t >> u >> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5% >> 7 >> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkn >> o >> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi >> L >> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1G >> u >> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 >> >> >> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> >> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles >> are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and >> such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not >> going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, >> how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is >> evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf >> Of Richard Turner >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio >> books, worth reading and considering >> >> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, >> that is your right. >> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. >> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this >> country are quite upse
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books. Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. > Or if you can, I have never heard of it. > > > > Richard > "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what > they become by it." > - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 > > Web site: www.turner42.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua > Hendrickson > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, > worth reading and considering > > What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from > audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to > mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot > of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled > my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, > it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write > me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. > >> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: >> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is >> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, >> however it raises huge concerns about access to books. >> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to >> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend >> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available >> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. >> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or >> especially Kindle. >> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download >> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. >> She would buy the book. >> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with >> Amazon. >> That's BS! >> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not >> holding my breath. >> My friend really needs human read books. >> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn >> powerful. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 >> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno >> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL >> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu >> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 >> >> >> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >> >> >> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are >> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such >> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to >> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many >> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would >> make many of them feel insantly defensive. >> >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of >> Richard Turner >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio >> books, worth reading and considering >> >> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, >> that is your right. >> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. >> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this >> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, >> period. >> >> >> >> Richard >> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds >> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt >> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu >> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Yes you can with a program called Inaudible. Maria Campbell lucky1i...@gmail.com All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing. --Edmund Burke On 5/25/2021 12:53 PM, Richard Turner wrote: Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. Or if you can, I have never heard of it. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns about access to books. One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially Kindle. I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. She would buy the book. But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. That's BS! I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my breath. My friend really needs human read books. So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiob
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3. Or if you can, I have never heard of it. Richard "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they become by it." - John Ruskin, 1819-1900 Web site: www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is > offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, > however it raises huge concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to > spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend > who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available > through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or > especially Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download > an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with > Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not > holding my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn > powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu > CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are > written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such > the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to > offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many > people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would > make many of them feel insantly defensive. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > > Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, > that is your right. > The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. > I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this > country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, > period. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu > rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7 > C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno > wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL > CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu > CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0 > > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". > It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" > or "the government is evil". > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio > books, worth reading and considering > &
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from audible. That's what I'd do. I would just convert the book to mp3 format there you go. No problems. Audible is still cheaper then a lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it. However, if I canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me. Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book. On 5/25/21, Richard Turner wrote: > As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, > which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge > concerns about access to books. > One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the > word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year > old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was > written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. > My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially > Kindle. > I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 > file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. > She would buy the book. > But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with > Amazon. > That's BS! > I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding > my breath. > My friend really needs human read books. > So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn > powerful. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > > Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are > written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the > author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the > majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from > Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel > insantly defensive. > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, > worth reading and considering > > Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is > your right. > The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. > I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country > are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. > > > > Richard > "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds > discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt > > www.turner42.com > > > > On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's > just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the > government is evil". > > From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of > Richard Turner > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, > worth reading and considering > > I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole > heartedly with the sentiment. > > The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks > by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks > > We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy > audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely > independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores > and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. > > One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain > audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah > and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. > > Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story > only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 > > While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of > all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to > exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s > Audible. > > What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? > > we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book bec
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns about access to books. One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book. My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially Kindle. I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player. She would buy the book. But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon. That's BS! I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my breath. My friend really needs human read books. So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible. What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-hold
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly defensive. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible. What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights to a book. Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why authors and publishers spring for this opportunity. Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from selling and distributing them. What does this mean for audiobook distribution? Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and &qu
Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is your right. The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion. I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period. Richard "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt www.turner42.com On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible. What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights to a book. Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why authors and publishers spring for this opportunity. Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from selling and distributing them. What does this mean for audiobook distribution? Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and "Handmaid's Tale."— Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019 Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with Amazon cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This means Libro.fm can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means our 1,200 bookstore partners can’t sell them, either. Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries are pissed by that move.
RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering
I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government is evil". From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly with the sentiment. The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives. One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb. Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020 While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to Amazon’s Audible. What does Audible Exclusive or Audible Original mean? we all know amazon is evil, but did you know that when a book becomes an audible exclusive, libraries cannot buy copies of that audiobook? did you know that capitalism is the enemy of accessibility?— Alyssa (@imajoyk) June 10, 2020 For Audible listeners, the yellow band on a book cover reading “only from Audible” facilitates a feeling of access to premium content, but for the rest of the book world, it’s an access barrier. It means that the audiobook in question can only be sold through Amazon’s Audible. No other retailers or providers can sell or distribute the digital audiobook, including bookstores and libraries. Books should be equally accessible to all, and Audible Exclusive audiobooks—also known as Audible Originals—are the antithesis of that. How does an audiobook become an Audible Exclusive? This is going to get a little technical, but stick with us. It begins with the Audiobook Creation Exchange (ACX), a marketplace launched by Audible in 2011 that connects narrators, authors, agents, publishers, and rights-holders to create audiobooks. The decision to make an audiobook Exclusive is made by authors, publishers, and agents—it depends on who is granted the audio rights to a book. Why do these parties choose this option? ACX offers higher royalties to creators (i.e. more money from audiobook sales) if they opt for Exclusive distribution. If a creator wants to distribute their audiobook to other audiobook platforms or libraries, they will earn 15% to 20% less of retail sales from ACX. The ACX system rewards exclusivity, so it’s easy to see why authors and publishers spring for this opportunity. Within the ACX world, Audible Studios is the production arm of Audible. They pay authors like Mark Manson (Love Is Not Enough), Margaret Atwood (The Handmaid’s Tale), and Alice Walker (The Color Purple) giant sums to keep their audiobooks exclusive to Audible, and prevent bookstores and libraries from selling and distributing them. What does this mean for audiobook distribution? Librarian Friends: If an audio book is part of Audible's "Only on Audible" exclusive thing, does that mean people can't get the audiobook through the library? Books in the program include "Born a Crime" and "Handmaid's Tale."— Hank Green (@hankgreen) November 14, 2019 Libraries, bookstores, schools, and anyone who isn’t affiliated with Amazon cannot distribute audiobooks that are Audible Exclusives. This means Libro.fm can’t sell Audible Exclusive audiobooks, which means our 1,200 bookstore partners can’t sell them, either. Having the audiobook NOT be an Audible exclusive *big wink*Libraries are pissed by that move. https://t.co/hKuU3JSCFq— ☘Jen is Irish everyday☘ (@JentoInfinity) February 7, 2019 Audible Exclusives also work in direct opposition to the basic principles of libraries—free access to books, both digital and print. By limiting distribution, Amazon aids in making books, perspectives, and information inaccessible to certain communities and users. To reiterate: There are audiobooks being published that bookstores cannot sell, and libraries cannot lend. This hurts bookstores because they are consistently missing out on sales for big releases. When they aren’t able to sell audiobooks that are in high demand, potential customers will opt for Audible over their local bookstores. This, of course, only continues to increase Audible’s (and ultimately
