Re: Apple Watch Ultra, who has one and would you buy it again?

2023-09-20 Thread ka4wxv 
Hello,
Is it possible to play internet streams through the watch speaker on an Ultra?  
I have recently purchased an Ultra and have been unable to achieve this.  I 
have an older Apple watch and was using an app called Streamlets to play 
internet streams through watch speakers.  I really enjoy being independent of 
the iphone.  Thanks for any help you might provide.
-Original Message-
From: 
Sent: Sep 18, 2023 12:08 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Apple Watch Ultra, who has one and would you buy it again?

I purchased the Apple ultra watch last year and really like it. I like the fact 
that it has a bigger screen I can hear it better and I found it to actually 
wear it for a while. I don’t even really notice much of a difference in 
terms of weight on my wrist. It’s just there and the battery life is 
great because I can usually wear it for two days before I have to charge the 
battery And I do like the action button as well. 

Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone

On Sep 17, 2023, at 3:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Thanks Matt, a little more space for gestures and all that is something I 
thought might be nice as well. I also assume that even if it may feel a bit big 
and thick in the beginning, you probably get used to it aftrer a few days.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matt 
White
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Watch Ultra, who has one and would you buy it again?



I bought one at the end of May and really like the battery life and the action 
button. I started out with a 45 mm watch a few years ago, but my last couple 
have been 41 mm and switching to the ultra feels significantly larger than 
either of those. For one, the watch is much thicker. 


I traded watches with someone for about a week, so they could try out the 
ultra, and I didn’t depreciate their watches battery life, but the size 
was a nice change, felt much less obtrusive.


With all that said, I don’t think I’m going back, for no other 
reason than the battery life. The larger screen makes the keyboard and other 
controls much easier to interact with. Sent from my iPhone




On Sep 15, 2023, at 16:04, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Subject more or less says it. We are considering upgrading from our Apple Watch 
series 5 to the series 9 and I do like the idea of the features and battery 
life of the Ultra, but not sure if I would like the size.
Anybody who bought the Apple Watch Ultra last year, do you regret getting such 
a large watch?
Ultimately it comes down to putting one on my wrist which unfortunately isn't 
so easy because the nearest Apple Store to where we live is about 700 miles 
away in Vancouver. There are a couple of stores who sell the Apple Watch here 
mostly in connection with a carrier plan, but none of these stores stocks an 
Ultra. But Facebook to the rescue, I just posted on one of our local "Ask a 
question" type groups if anybody here had one and would be willing to let me 
put it on my wrist and I received an answer within 15 minutes.
Of course it helps also that we live in a town with a population of 5000 where 
if you live in town nothing is far away, then there is the fact that I have had 
my retail business on Main Street for 23 years and that I am the only blind guy 
with a guide dog in town and just everybody at least knows me by sight if not 
by name. Anyways, one of my customers will stop by tomorrow to show me his, but 
still I am curious what other Voiceover users have to say about especially if 
you may have had a regular Apple Watch before and upgraded to an Ultra last 
year.


Take care,
Sieghard

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Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Øyvind Lode 
My notifications come through loud and clear.
I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always has.
The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
So, what are everyone complaining about?

On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
>
>  Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
> can do about it
>
> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
> Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about 
> it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
> complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
> do about it
>
>
> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it
>
> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
>
> By: MALCOLM OWEN
> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features and 
> updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, which is 
> a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
>
> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining that 
> it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
>
> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
>
> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound 
> to make it louder.
>
> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get that 
> back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
>
> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's enough 
> noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
>
> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
> it 
> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it
>
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Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Rafał Marzec 
There is something to complain about
Because not everyone using default tones
After upgrade to iOS 17, I lost the possibility to use my purchased tones from 
iTunes Store as a alert tones because  phone not seeing it
I’ve notified Apple Support about it, and they don’t know how to solve it
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Sep 2023, at 1:19 pm, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> 
> My notifications come through loud and clear.
> I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always has.
> The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
> That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
> So, what are everyone complaining about?
> 
>> On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> 
>> Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
>> can do about it
>> 
>> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
>> Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about 
>> it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
>> complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
>> do about it
>> 
>> 
>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>> it
>> 
>> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
>> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
>> 
>> By: MALCOLM OWEN
>> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
>> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features and 
>> updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, which 
>> is a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
>> 
>> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining that 
>> it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
>> 
>> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
>> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
>> 
>> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
>> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound 
>> to make it louder.
>> 
>> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get that 
>> back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
>> 
>> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
>> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
>> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's enough 
>> noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
>> 
>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>> it 
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it
>> 
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Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

2023-09-20 Thread Dave Grossoehme 
Good Morning:  You are having the same problems that I had a year ago 
with the Spectrum App.  Their Tech's have no accessibility training with 
these applications.  They only want to sell the settopbox.  I had a tech 
out at that time on a line problem and he didn't even know about Voice 
Over.  At that time I decided to try a Fire Stick before going to the 
Apple TV and the Spectrum App wasn't even in the App Store.  If you 
wished to use a Fire Stick you had to break Amazon's Security.  
Spectrum's App doesn't work at all on an Apple TV.  The only way to hear 
Audio Description was from their library, not from live streaming.  That 
forced me dto change to an Apple
TV and go to Direct Streaming.  You can find out a lot more information 
from the adp-list, which is an email list on the acblists.org web page.  
You can subscribe by sending a message to 
adp-list+subscr...@acblists.org.  Good luck.


Dave


On 9/19/2023 8:41 PM, Debbie Downey wrote:

That is what I was afraid of; someone else on another list has the SE 2022 and 
has these issues. I bet if we got the newer phones without the home button 
especially the iPhone 13, or higher that this wouldn't be an issue but who 
knows?

If you call the accessibility department, they don't know anything about the 
app, only the cable boxes from what it seems.

Debbie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

Hi Debbie,

I am using both an iPhone SE 2020 (no SIM for home use/app usage such as 
SiriuxXM, Spectrum Mobile, TuneIn ETC.) and also an SE 2022 which has the same 
apps and a SIM card for phone calls. (I love those home keys.)


On 9/19/2023 7:23 PM, Debbie Downey wrote:

HI Ron,

What model of iPhone do you have?

I noticed this problem a few weeks ago and called Spectrum Accessibility and 
they had no idea. WE had just gotten a new modem and they thought that there 
was a problem so sent someone out. They did fix a problem but this had nothing 
to do with the app. The supervisor in dispatch had an iPhone 14 and turned on 
Voiceover and I heard the usual tabs that I used to get such as guide. You no 
longer have the guide tab, however, I'm using an iPhone 8.

I did leave feedback in the form in the app settings about this but don't 
expect much. We ultimately got rid of the TV part of our plan anyway since the 
price was just getting ridiculous! So, I'm wondering if you have a newer phone 
if these problems aren't happening?

I did kind of find a workaround; I swiped with 3 fingers from page to page like 
I used to do in the guide and at least was able to find some more channels but 
this is not acceptable. The filters didn't seem to work for me even though I 
had them set for all channels and in numerical order.

What a mess!

Debbie

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Ron Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 6:08 PM
To: ViPhone List 
Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App for 
iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally accessible 
until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty navigating the 
interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but setting and 
navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 'all channels' 
and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe right or left 
moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a simple double 
tap launched the selected channel.

Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments or 
is this the new order of things with respect to the app? If so, and if people 
want to keep using the app, I suggest you give feedback through the developer 
website or the feed back link within the app settings.

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Please tell me how I put pictures in the main body of the email.

2023-09-20 Thread Jenny Bomareto 
The two pictures I want to send to someone there in the same text message, two 
different  pictures.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Renee Patete 
I've had the same issue and have reported it in the Feedback Assistant. I 
suspect it's a glitch or a bug that may be sorted in an update. 

> On 21/09/2023, at 01:09, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
> 
> There is something to complain about
> Because not everyone using default tones
> After upgrade to iOS 17, I lost the possibility to use my purchased tones 
> from iTunes Store as a alert tones because  phone not seeing it
> I’ve notified Apple Support about it, and they don’t know how to solve it
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 1:19 pm, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>> 
>> My notifications come through loud and clear.
>> I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always has.
>> The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
>> That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
>> So, what are everyone complaining about?
>> 
 On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
>>> can do about it
>>> 
>>> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
>>> Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about 
>>> it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
>>> complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
>>> To: viphone 
>>> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
>>> do about it
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>>> it
>>> 
>>> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
>>> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
>>> 
>>> By: MALCOLM OWEN
>>> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
>>> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features 
>>> and updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, 
>>> which is a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining 
>>> that it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
>>> 
>>> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
>>> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
>>> 
>>> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
>>> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound 
>>> to make it louder.
>>> 
>>> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get 
>>> that back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
>>> 
>>> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
>>> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
>>> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's 
>>> enough noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
>>> 
>>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>>> it 
>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it
>>> 
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pairing focus 14 fifth gen.

2023-09-20 Thread Paula Jordan 
Hi all.  Since IOS 16 update my focus does not stay paired.  If I want to
use the display with my iphone 13 mini I have to go into settings,
voice-over, braille, and repair the device. Has anyone else seen this and is
there hope that it is fixed in 17.  It's doable, but a bit of a pain.
Thanks.

God bless!

Paula and the pups

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Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Lisa Belville 

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 
17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  
Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu 
and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on 
three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed 
button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.



Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings 
tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.



I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete 
and reinstall the BARD app.



Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?



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Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

2023-09-20 Thread Michael Amaro 

The mobile  app is no more.  Every thing is done threw my spectrum app

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Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile 
App for iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally 
accessible until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty 
navigating the interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but 
setting and navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the 
simple 'all channels' and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a 
single swipe right or left moved you up and down the screen from channel 
to channel and a simple double tap launched the selected channel.


Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as 
adjustments or is this the new order of things with respect to the app? 
If so, and if people want to keep using the app, I suggest you give 
feedback through the developer website or the feed back link within the 
app settings.


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Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

2023-09-20 Thread Matt White 
Was coming here to say the same thing; there is a My Spectrum app and a My 
Spectrum TV app. Both seem reasonably accessible to me, at least so far.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:05, Michael Amaro  wrote:
> 
> The mobile  app is no more.  Every thing is done threw my spectrum app
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> 
>> Hi Group,
>> 
>> i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App 
>> for iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally 
>> accessible until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty 
>> navigating the interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but 
>> setting and navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 
>> 'all channels' and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe 
>> right or left moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a 
>> simple double tap launched the selected channel.
>> 
>> Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments 
>> or is this the new order of things with respect to the app? If so, and if 
>> people want to keep using the app, I suggest you give feedback through the 
>> developer website or the feed back link within the app settings.
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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Richard Turner 
I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 17 
issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I suspect 
deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and suggest you do 
as well. 


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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
> cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, 
> double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the 
> tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books 
> and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
> adjust the speed in the usual way.
> 
> 
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
> 
> 
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
> reinstall the BARD app.
> 
> 
> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Dennis Long 
I've reported it through feedback and called apple once 17 officially dropped.  
This was a on purpose change that I suspect will be rolled back.  The best they 
can do is give a user option to let us choose our sound.

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do about it

I've had the same issue and have reported it in the Feedback Assistant. I 
suspect it's a glitch or a bug that may be sorted in an update. 

> On 21/09/2023, at 01:09, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
> 
> There is something to complain about
> Because not everyone using default tones
> After upgrade to iOS 17, I lost the possibility to use my purchased tones 
> from iTunes Store as a alert tones because  phone not seeing it
> I’ve notified Apple Support about it, and they don’t know how to solve it
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2023, at 1:19 pm, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
>> 
>> My notifications come through loud and clear.
>> I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always has.
>> The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
>> That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
>> So, what are everyone complaining about?
>> 
 On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
>>> can do about it
>>> 
>>> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint with 
>>> Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially complains about 
>>> it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If several hundred 
>>> complaints are received then Apple may take it more serioously.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
>>> To: viphone 
>>> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
>>> do about it
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>>> it
>>> 
>>> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
>>> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
>>> 
>>> By: MALCOLM OWEN
>>> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
>>> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features 
>>> and updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, 
>>> which is a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
>>> 
>>> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining 
>>> that it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
>>> 
>>> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
>>> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
>>> 
>>> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
>>> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification sound 
>>> to make it louder.
>>> 
>>> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get 
>>> that back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
>>> 
>>> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
>>> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
>>> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's 
>>> enough noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
>>> 
>>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about 
>>> it 
>>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it
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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread James Bentley 
Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
come out?

Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.

Good luck,

James B  

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To: V I Phone 
Cc: iDevices 
Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 
17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  
Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu 
and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on 
three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed 
button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings 
tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete 
and reinstall the BARD app.


Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?



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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Evan Reese 

I can confirm this as well on my iPhone 12.

I double tap on the Speed button within a book, and while it clicks, I 
do not hear the tone. Nothing actually happens. It does not change from 
Speed to Tone.


Evan



On 9/20/2023 12:19 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 17 
issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I suspect 
deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and suggest you do 
as well.


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(Sent from my iPhone)


On Sep 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Lisa Belville  wrote:

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, double 
tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the tone to 
be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books and 
nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
reinstall the BARD app.


Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?



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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Evan Reese 
James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's not 
just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice 
changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the 
functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of 
the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.


I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit until 
things are ironed out more.


Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
come out?

Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.

Good luck,

James B

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
To: V I Phone 
Cc: iDevices 
Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
and reinstall the BARD app.


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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread James Bentley 
There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with several 
quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.

James B  

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Reese
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's not 
just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice 
changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the 
functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of 
the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.

I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit until 
things are ironed out more.

Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
> come out?
>
> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.
>
> Good luck,
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
> Belville
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
> To: V I Phone 
> Cc: iDevices 
> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>
> Hi, all.
>
>
> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
> and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
> three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
> button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>
>
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
> tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>
>
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
> and reinstall the BARD app.
>
>
> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>
>
>

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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Lisa Belville 

What's the best way to contact BARD?



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/20/2023 11:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 17 
issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I suspect 
deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and suggest you do 
as well.


Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)


On Sep 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Lisa Belville  wrote:

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, double 
tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the tone to 
be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books and 
nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
reinstall the BARD app.


Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?



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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Lisa Belville 
Well, normally, I don't upgrade so soon, but I read over the list of 
bugs and none of them seem to be ones that would impact me. The tone 
adjustment issue isn't a deal breaker, but I just so happened to start 
an older book that was digitized from a worn out analog copy and really 
needed to clarify the narration as much as possible.  Apparently no one 
needed to do this during the beta process, or there just aren't that 
many VO users testing iOS software.  I know I won't do it because I only 
have one iPhone and no other Apple products.



Looks like an upgrade to the BARD app is in order.

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/20/2023 11:48 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
come out?

Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.

Good luck,

James B

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To: V I Phone 
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Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
and reinstall the BARD app.


Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?





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Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Øyvind Lode 
Sorry.
I totally forgot about those with hearing aids.
I totally agree that Apple should let the customer choose notification
sounds that suit their needs.

On Wed, 20 Sept 2023 at 18:30, Dennis Long  wrote:
>
> I've reported it through feedback and called apple once 17 officially 
> dropped.  This was a on purpose change that I suspect will be rolled back.  
> The best they can do is give a user option to let us choose our sound.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Renee 
> Patete
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 9:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
> can do about it
>
> I've had the same issue and have reported it in the Feedback Assistant. I 
> suspect it's a glitch or a bug that may be sorted in an update.
>
> > On 21/09/2023, at 01:09, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
> >
> > There is something to complain about
> > Because not everyone using default tones
> > After upgrade to iOS 17, I lost the possibility to use my purchased tones 
> > from iTunes Store as a alert tones because  phone not seeing it
> > I’ve notified Apple Support about it, and they don’t know how to solve it
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 20 Sep 2023, at 1:19 pm, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> >>
> >> My notifications come through loud and clear.
> >> I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always 
> >> has.
> >> The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
> >> That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
> >> So, what are everyone complaining about?
> >>
>  On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> >>> Sieghard Weitzel
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing 
> >>> you can do about it
> >>>
> >>> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint 
> >>> with Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially 
> >>> complains about it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If 
> >>> several hundred complaints are received then Apple may take it more 
> >>> serioously.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
> >>> To: viphone 
> >>> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
> >>> can do about it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
> >>> about it
> >>>
> >>> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
> >>> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
> >>>
> >>> By: MALCOLM OWEN
> >>> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
> >>> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features 
> >>> and updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, 
> >>> which is a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining 
> >>> that it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
> >>>
> >>> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
> >>> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
> >>>
> >>> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
> >>> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification 
> >>> sound to make it louder.
> >>>
> >>> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get 
> >>> that back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
> >>>
> >>> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
> >>> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
> >>> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's 
> >>> enough noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
> >>> about it 
> >>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/09/19/notifications-in-ios-17-are-too-quiet-and-theres-nothing-you-can-do-about-it
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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread James Bentley 
Did you or any one try deleting the Bard app and then installing it again?

Good luck,

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
Belville
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 12:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Well, normally, I don't upgrade so soon, but I read over the list of 
bugs and none of them seem to be ones that would impact me. The tone 
adjustment issue isn't a deal breaker, but I just so happened to start 
an older book that was digitized from a worn out analog copy and really 
needed to clarify the narration as much as possible.  Apparently no one 
needed to do this during the beta process, or there just aren't that 
many VO users testing iOS software.  I know I won't do it because I only 
have one iPhone and no other Apple products.


Looks like an upgrade to the BARD app is in order.

Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/20/2023 11:48 AM, James Bentley wrote:
> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
> come out?
>
> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.
>
> Good luck,
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
> Belville
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
> To: V I Phone 
> Cc: iDevices 
> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>
> Hi, all.
>
>
> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
> and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
> three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
> button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>
>
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
> tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>
>
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
> and reinstall the BARD app.
>
>
> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>
>
>

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Roder

2023-09-20 Thread Star Gazer 
How do I add things to the roder? I have done it before but can’t seem to do it 
now 
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Re: Roder

2023-09-20 Thread joseph hudson 
If you go to settings, accessibility, and the voiceover, and select the rotor, 
you can select and remove things from within there.
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> How do I add things to the roder? I have done it before but can’t seem to do 
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Re: Roder

2023-09-20 Thread John Panarese 
   It’s in VoiceOver Settings under the Rotor section. You can select or 
deselect items.


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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Evan Reese 

Since I wrote that last message, I discovered yet another problem:

I hear absolutely nothing when I hold in the Side button. Not a very 
quiet tone, nothing at all. I turned the phone up and held it up to my 
ear when I held in the Side button and it doesn't play anything. I still 
hear the traditional tone when I let go of the Side button, but nothing 
when I press and hold it.


Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:58 PM, James Bentley wrote:

There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with several 
quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.

James B

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's not
just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice
changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the
functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of
the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.

I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit until
things are ironed out more.

Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
come out?

Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for now.

Good luck,

James B

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
To: V I Phone 
Cc: iDevices 
Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Hi, all.


I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.


Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.


I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
and reinstall the BARD app.


Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?





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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread James Bentley 
I'm on quite a few list that deal with I Phones

My in box is over flowing with people who are having problems with IOS 17.  It 
looks like Apple has just decided to deal with accessibility problems as an 
after thought.

Spend enough R and D to Take care of the main stream consumers and let the 
visually impaired discover and report the problems related to blind users.  
This method saves R and D money.

As we report problems, Apple will gradually fix most of the issues.  But, by 
the time that happens, IOS 18 will be out and we get to start all over again.

James B  

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Since I wrote that last message, I discovered yet another problem:

I hear absolutely nothing when I hold in the Side button. Not a very 
quiet tone, nothing at all. I turned the phone up and held it up to my 
ear when I held in the Side button and it doesn't play anything. I still 
hear the traditional tone when I let go of the Side button, but nothing 
when I press and hold it.

Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:58 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with 
> several quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
> Reese
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>
> James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's not
> just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice
> changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the
> functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of
> the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.
>
> I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit until
> things are ironed out more.
>
> Evan
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
>> come out?
>>
>> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for 
>> now.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> James B
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
>> Belville
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
>> To: V I Phone 
>> Cc: iDevices 
>> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>>
>> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
>> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
>> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
>> and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
>> three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
>> button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>>
>>
>> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
>> tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>>
>>
>> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
>> and reinstall the BARD app.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Gerardo Corripio 
Guess I'm one of the few lucky ones? No problems at my end on iOS17, but I too 
have the BARD Mobile bug you guys are talking about (even though I never change 
the speed or tone), that I double-tap Speed but nothing happens. So I 
definitely think it's a minor incompatibility issue between BARD and iOS17. 
Other than that, BARD is working just fine with iOS17!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 20 sep 2023, a la(s) 12:18 p.m., James Bentley  
> escribió:
> 
> I'm on quite a few list that deal with I Phones
> 
> My in box is over flowing with people who are having problems with IOS 17.  
> It looks like Apple has just decided to deal with accessibility problems as 
> an after thought.
> 
> Spend enough R and D to Take care of the main stream consumers and let the 
> visually impaired discover and report the problems related to blind users.  
> This method saves R and D money.
> 
> As we report problems, Apple will gradually fix most of the issues.  But, by 
> the time that happens, IOS 18 will be out and we get to start all over again.
> 
> James B  
> 
> James B  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
> Reese
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
> 
> Since I wrote that last message, I discovered yet another problem:
> 
> I hear absolutely nothing when I hold in the Side button. Not a very
> quiet tone, nothing at all. I turned the phone up and held it up to my
> ear when I held in the Side button and it doesn't play anything. I still
> hear the traditional tone when I let go of the Side button, but nothing
> when I press and hold it.
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
>> On 9/20/2023 12:58 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with 
>> several quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.
>> 
>> James B
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
>> Reese
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>> 
>> James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's not
>> just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice
>> changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the
>> functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of
>> the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.
>> 
>> I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit until
>> things are ironed out more.
>> 
>> Evan
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>>> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
>>> come out?
>>> 
>>> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for 
>>> now.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> James B
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Lisa 
>>> Belville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
>>> To: V I Phone 
>>> Cc: iDevices 
>>> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>>> 
>>> Hi, all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS
>>> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
>>> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu
>>> and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on
>>> three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed
>>> button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings
>>> tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
>>> and reinstall the BARD app.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread matthew dyer 
Hi,

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

Matthew



On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevin Minor  wrote:

Hi.

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

Kevin and Jilly

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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I've been running the IOS 17 beta for a while, and I don't feel like I'm 
running into any more issues than I did with IOS 16. I'm also on a few iPhone 
lists and some of the traffic has to do with questions about the new features 
and some has to do with the same handful of issues. There are also new features 
that people may want to take advantage of. Bottom line though is that it should 
all work and people need to decide for themselves if they want to upgrade at 
this time or not.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of James 
Bentley
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

I'm on quite a few list that deal with I Phones

My in box is over flowing with people who are having problems with IOS 17.  It 
looks like Apple has just decided to deal with accessibility problems as an 
after thought.

Spend enough R and D to Take care of the main stream consumers and let the 
visually impaired discover and report the problems related to blind users.  
This method saves R and D money.

As we report problems, Apple will gradually fix most of the issues.  But, by 
the time that happens, IOS 18 will be out and we get to start all over again.

James B

James B

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Since I wrote that last message, I discovered yet another problem:

I hear absolutely nothing when I hold in the Side button. Not a very quiet 
tone, nothing at all. I turned the phone up and held it up to my ear when I 
held in the Side button and it doesn't play anything. I still hear the 
traditional tone when I let go of the Side button, but nothing when I press and 
hold it.

Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:58 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with 
> several quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Evan Reese
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>
> James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's
> not just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice
> changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the
> functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of
> the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.
>
> I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit
> until things are ironed out more.
>
> Evan
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
>> come out?
>>
>> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for 
>> now.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> James B
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Lisa Belville
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
>> To: V I Phone 
>> Cc: iDevices 
>> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>>
>> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to
>> iOS
>> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
>> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone
>> menu and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing
>> this on three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on
>> the speed button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>>
>>
>> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the
>> settings tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>>
>>
>> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
>> and reinstall the BARD app.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>>
>>
>>

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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Is this related to BARD? If not then I still hear a tone when I hold down the 
side button. It's no louder than it was in IOS 16 though.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Evan 
Reese
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

Since I wrote that last message, I discovered yet another problem:

I hear absolutely nothing when I hold in the Side button. Not a very quiet 
tone, nothing at all. I turned the phone up and held it up to my ear when I 
held in the Side button and it doesn't play anything. I still hear the 
traditional tone when I let go of the Side button, but nothing when I press and 
hold it.

Evan


On 9/20/2023 12:58 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> There seem to be many problems with IOS 17.  I bet Apple comes out with 
> several quick updates pretty soon to start ironing out the bugs.
>
> James B
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Evan Reese
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>
> James, I know what you mean. I now think I should have waited. It's
> not just the bug in the BARD app. I cannot get any of those per voice
> changes to work in my iPhone 12 either. At least I still have all the
> functionality of the Eloquence I had in ioS 16, but I don't get any of
> the new functionality I'm supposed to get with iOS 17.
>
> I will not be so quick to update next time. I will wait for a bit
> until things are ironed out more.
>
> Evan
>
>
> On 9/20/2023 12:48 PM, James Bentley wrote:
>> Why not let others be the guinea pig when updates to a new operating system 
>> come out?
>>
>> Deleting the app and installing it again sounds like your only option for 
>> now.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> James B
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Lisa Belville
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 11:02 AM
>> To: V I Phone 
>> Cc: iDevices 
>> Subject: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade
>>
>> Hi, all.
>>
>>
>> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to
>> iOS
>> 17 I cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.
>> Normally, double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone
>> menu and allow the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing
>> this on three separate books and nothing happens when I double tap on
>> the speed button, though I'm able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>>
>>
>> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the
>> settings tab, then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>>
>>
>> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete
>> and reinstall the BARD app.
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>>
>>
>>

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread Star Gazer 
Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of matthew 
dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 





On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevin Minor mailto:kmino...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

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RE: Roder

2023-09-20 Thread Star Gazer 
Thank you guys 

 

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   It’s in VoiceOver Settings under the Rotor section. You can select or 
deselect items.

 


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How do I add things to the roder? I have done it before but can’t seem to do it 
now 
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IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Paula Pinder 
Hi All

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It
plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android
Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I
could on the Iphone? Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.

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RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Cristóbal Muñoz 
Did you by any chance turn VO speech off? Three finger double tap toggles that 
setting.

 

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Hi All

 

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Thanks a lot.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Mary Otten 
 If you have your voiceover shortcut set to where you can just turn it off and on that way, you could do that. Otherwise, tell Siri to turn voiceover off. Then tell Siri to turn voiceover back on. That should do it.This sounds like a recurrence of the annoying now you see it now you don’t bug where periodically, VoiceOver speech just decides to go away. In my experience, getting back to the home screen and waiting a couple of seconds brings it back. That’s on iOS 16. Before, when it was worse, I used to have to turn voiceover off and back on. That always worked. If you have your voiceover shortcut set to where you can just turn it off and on that way, you could do that. Otherwise, tell Siri to turn VoiceOver off. Then tell Siri to turn voiceover back on. That should do it. Also, are you sure you didn’t turn speech off accidentally? Three finger double tap toggle between turning speech off and speech on.Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 20, 2023, at 1:06 PM, Paula Pinder  wrote:Hi AllI've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks a lot.Best wishesPaula



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RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread michv 
Hi did you re start your phone after updateing your phone? From Mich.

 

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Pinder
Sent: September 20, 2023 4:06 PM
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Hi All

 

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Thanks a lot.

 

Best wishes

 

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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Feliciano Godoy 
Is someone able to help you manually turn off voiceover and re-enable it? I 
would try that, if that doesn't work, I would reset your iPhone settings,. so 
if you go to settings, general Transfer or Reset iPhone then choose reset.
*** do not reset all content and  settings as this will wipe your entire phone.
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On Sep 20, 2023, at 1:06 PM, Paula Pinder  wrote:


Hi All

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
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Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Best wishes

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread leobado1982 
Hi, I assume you want to modify the Jaws Eloquence.

 

You may want to carry out all the process by using a vocalizer voice instead of 
Eloquence.

 

First of all,  copy and paste the file that contains the values in a safe 
location, so that you can use it as a backup in any given scenario. Go to the 
following path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1

 

Now copy the file “ECI.INI” and put it in a safe location. Notice that in this 
folder there are two files with the same name, so make sure you’re saving the 
right file .ini.

 

Now, to modify the values contained in ECI.INI you have to launch notepad as an 
administrator, press control plus O to open a file in Notepad, and locate 
ECI.INI in the explorer.  After pushing control plus O though, make sure to 
change to “all files” the type of file extensions  that you can open with 
Notepad, otherwise you won’t be able to locate ECI.INI.

 

Once Notepad opened ECI.INI, push control plus F, and type “enu.syn” without 
any quotes,  and hit enter. Now push escape to close the dialogue.  The focus 
of the cursor should have landed on the language-specific parameters for 
Eloquence, which in this case is English United States. For English UK, you 
should locate the following string:

“eng.syn”

 

Now hit the home key  to get you to the beginning of the line, and start 
arrowing down until you find a similar line to  this one:

Voice1=0 50 65 30 0 0 50 92

 

These are actually the values you should modify to change the voice. Notice 
that after the = sign there are 8 values separated by a blank space. Those 
values correspond  respectively to:

Gender

HeadSize

PitchBaseLine

Pitch Fluctuation

Roughness

Breathiness

Speed

Volume

 

All of them scale from 0 to 100 except for gender. In this case you use 0 for 
male and 1 for female.

Now, for some reason changes has never a real effect on speed and volume, so I 
believe that Jaws is simply overwriting those parameters no matter what you do, 
but for what it’s worth, modifying the other parameters do have a real effect.

 

After performing any change, don’t forget to save the document.

 

You will also notice that there are 8 voices under each language specific 
setting, (e.g., voice2, voice3, etc.(.  Those alias  correspond respectively to 
 Reed, Shelly, Bobby, Rocko, Glen, Sandy, Grandma and Grandpa. So,  when you 
modify voice1, you’re really modifying Reed and so on and so forth.  Since I 
always want to have Reed  using the default values, but I also wanted to 
introduce modifications to use a customized voice to read, I modified Voice4, 
namely Rocko, an saved the changes. Then, I created a new voice profile based 
on Eloquence, and chose Rocko to be used in all contexts, PC, Jaws cursor, 
keyboard, etc.  In this way I can have these other profiles and always come 
back to Eloquence using the Reed voice by default.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

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matthew dyer
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Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevin Minor mailto:kmino...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

Kevin and Jilly

 

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread leobado1982 
Yes, Eloquence sounds just great!

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

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Elbert Hubbard

 

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dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 12:40 PM
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Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 





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Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

Kevin and Jilly

 

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RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread Star Gazer 
Thank you. This is for an 
Iphone and these instructions look like windows 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, I assume you want to modify the Jaws Eloquence.

 

You may want to carry out all the process by using a vocalizer voice instead of 
Eloquence.

 

First of all,  copy and paste the file that contains the values in a safe 
location, so that you can use it as a backup in any given scenario. Go to the 
following path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1

 

Now copy the file “ECI.INI” and put it in a safe location. Notice that in this 
folder there are two files with the same name, so make sure you’re saving the 
right file .ini.

 

Now, to modify the values contained in ECI.INI you have to launch notepad as an 
administrator, press control plus O to open a file in Notepad, and locate 
ECI.INI in the explorer.  After pushing control plus O though, make sure to 
change to “all files” the type of file extensions  that you can open with 
Notepad, otherwise you won’t be able to locate ECI.INI.

 

Once Notepad opened ECI.INI, push control plus F, and type “enu.syn” without 
any quotes,  and hit enter. Now push escape to close the dialogue.  The focus 
of the cursor should have landed on the language-specific parameters for 
Eloquence, which in this case is English United States. For English UK, you 
should locate the following string:

“eng.syn”

 

Now hit the home key  to get you to the beginning of the line, and start 
arrowing down until you find a similar line to  this one:

Voice1=0 50 65 30 0 0 50 92

 

These are actually the values you should modify to change the voice. Notice 
that after the = sign there are 8 values separated by a blank space. Those 
values correspond  respectively to:

Gender

HeadSize

PitchBaseLine

Pitch Fluctuation

Roughness

Breathiness

Speed

Volume

 

All of them scale from 0 to 100 except for gender. In this case you use 0 for 
male and 1 for female.

Now, for some reason changes has never a real effect on speed and volume, so I 
believe that Jaws is simply overwriting those parameters no matter what you do, 
but for what it’s worth, modifying the other parameters do have a real effect.

 

After performing any change, don’t forget to save the document.

 

You will also notice that there are 8 voices under each language specific 
setting, (e.g., voice2, voice3, etc.(.  Those alias  correspond respectively to 
 Reed, Shelly, Bobby, Rocko, Glen, Sandy, Grandma and Grandpa. So,  when you 
modify voice1, you’re really modifying Reed and so on and so forth.  Since I 
always want to have Reed  using the default values, but I also wanted to 
introduce modifications to use a customized voice to read, I modified Voice4, 
namely Rocko, an saved the changes. Then, I created a new voice profile based 
on Eloquence, and chose Rocko to be used in all contexts, PC, Jaws cursor, 
keyboard, etc.  In this way I can have these other profiles and always come 
back to Eloquence using the Reed voice by default.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

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matthew dyer
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Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevin Minor mailto:kmino...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Hi.

 

Last year I tried Eloquence on my iPhone. It sounded like it was 
overmodulating, and lowering the volume didn’t fix it. In iOS 17, this seems to 
be fixed. I’m happy about this, and am using it as my voice of choice.

 

Just sharing my good thing for the day.

 

Kevin and Jilly

 

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Re: pairing focus 14 fifth gen.

2023-09-20 Thread Kimberly 
Beware that it may be worse in 17. Since I updated to iOS 17 I can't get either of my braille displays to work at all. They both say they're connected but nothing actually happens.Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can be.“ Viet Thanh NguyenOn Sep 20, 2023, at 10:19 AM, Paula Jordan  wrote:Hi all.  Since IOS 16 update my focus does not stay paired.  If I want to use the display with my iphone 13 mini I have to go into settings, voice-over, braille, and repair the device. Has anyone else seen this and is there hope that it is fixed in 17.  It’s doable, but a bit of a pain.  Thanks.God bless!Paula and the pups



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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Kimberly 
I was having a lot of trouble double tapping under iOS 17 until I adjusted the 
double tap delay under accessibility from 0.25 to 0.30. Now double tapping is 
working as before for me. It may be worth trying. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Lisa Belville  
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> and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
> adjust the speed in the usual way.
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> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
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> 
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Paula Pinder 
Hi All

Thanks for your replies. I've tried everything suggested and still no joy
even after trying a reset.

Best wishes

Paula

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> I would try that, if that doesn't work, I would reset your iPhone
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> *** do not reset all content and  settings as this will wipe your entire
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> plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android
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RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread James Bentley 
I am getting in to the middle of this but try doing a 2 finger swipe up and 
very quickly start tapping your volume up buttton to see if you can turn up the 
voice over volume.

 

James B  

 

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Hi All

 

Thanks for your replies. I've tried everything suggested and still no joy even 
after trying a reset.

 

Best wishes

 

Paula

 

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Is someone able to help you manually turn off voiceover and re-enable it? I 
would try that, if that doesn't work, I would reset your iPhone settings,. so 
if you go to settings, general Transfer or Reset iPhone then choose reset. 

*** do not reset all content and  settings as this will wipe your entire phone.

Feliciano 

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Hi All 

 

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 

Thanks a lot.

 

Best wishes

 

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Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Mary Otten 
My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Feliciano Godoy 
Interesting that a reset of all settings didn't work. How about you have 
someone change the voice synthesizer for voiceover.
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Hi All

Thanks for your replies. I've tried everything suggested and still no joy even 
after trying a reset.

Best wishes

Paula

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mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Is someone able to help you manually turn off voiceover and re-enable it? I 
would try that, if that doesn't work, I would reset your iPhone settings,. so 
if you go to settings, general Transfer or Reset iPhone then choose reset.
*** do not reset all content and  settings as this will wipe your entire phone.
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Hi All

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.

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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread michv 
Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am running 
the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the lidar 
feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I know 
about the door detection from Mich.

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Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Lyne 
Did you trY headset?

Lyne

> Le 20 sept. 2023 à 16:13, Cristóbal Muñoz  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Did you by any chance turn VO speech off? Three finger double tap toggles 
> that setting.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
> Pinder
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE
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> Hi All
>  
> I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
> the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
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Re: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Alan Lemly 
Paula, I've not yet upgraded to iOS 17 so this is just me thinking out loud. My experience with most major iOS updates since getting my first iPhone over 10 years ago is that audio issues abound for a day or two after the upgrade. Whether these issues relate to my TTS VoiceOver voice not speaking the same or some other audio issue such as pronunciation snafus, etc, I can't say. If you've tried the various other suggestions that have been made, I'd suggest asking Siri to set volume to 100 and see what happens. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 20, 2023, at 3:46 PM, Paula Pinder  wrote:Hi AllThanks for your replies. I've tried everything suggested and still no joy even after trying a reset.Best wishesPaulaOn Wed, 20 Sept 2023, 21:18 Feliciano Godoy,  wrote:




Is someone able to help you manually turn off voiceover and re-enable it? I would try that, if that doesn't work, I would reset your iPhone settings,. so if you go to settings, general Transfer or Reset iPhone then choose reset.
*** do not reset all content and  settings as this will wipe your entire phone.
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Hi All


I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? Does anyone
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Thanks a lot.


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Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Richard Turner 
It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
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> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
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> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
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> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Richard Turner 
You can contact your regional library or write to nlsdownl...@loc.gov


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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 10:07 AM, Lisa Belville  
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> What's the best way to contact BARD?
> 
> 
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> On 9/20/2023 11:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
>> I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 
>> 17 issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I 
>> suspect deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and 
>> suggest you do as well.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
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>>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Lisa Belville  
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>>> Hi, all.
>>> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
>>> cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, 
>>> double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow 
>>> the tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate 
>>> books and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm 
>>> able to adjust the speed in the usual way.
>>> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
>>> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>>> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
>>> reinstall the BARD app.
>>> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Evan Reese 
I will say that the times I've written to BARD Support, they have been 
very responsive.


Evan


On 9/20/2023 5:45 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

You can contact your regional library or write to nlsdownl...@loc.gov


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On Sep 20, 2023, at 10:07 AM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
What's the best way to contact BARD?



Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 9/20/2023 11:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 17 
issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I suspect 
deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and suggest you do 
as well.


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Hi, all.
I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, double 
tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the tone to 
be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books and 
nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
adjust the speed in the usual way.
Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
reinstall the BARD app.
Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread paekstrand 
Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

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Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
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> Mary
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread realman02 via VIPhone 
It does do a fair job with door detection and has possibilities, so you are 
making a long-term investment. 

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Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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Re: pairing focus 14 fifth gen.

2023-09-20 Thread Lyne 
It seems to be the new way to connect 

Lyne

> Le 20 sept. 2023 à 10:19, Paula Jordan  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hi all.  Since IOS 16 update my focus does not stay paired.  If I want to use 
> the display with my iphone 13 mini I have to go into settings, voice-over, 
> braille, and repair the device. Has anyone else seen this and is there hope 
> that it is fixed in 17.  It’s doable, but a bit of a pain.  Thanks.
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
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Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Lisa Belville 
Thanks, Richard.  I will contact them, but I'm doubt if it can be 
resolved any time soon.




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On 9/20/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

You can contact your regional library or write to nlsdownl...@loc.gov


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On Sep 20, 2023, at 10:07 AM, Lisa Belville  wrote:
What's the best way to contact BARD?



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On 9/20/2023 11:19 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

I can confirm your experience on my 13 pro. I do not know if that is an iOS 17 
issue with the double tap gesture or something with the BARD app. I suspect 
deleting and reinstalling won't solve it. I will write BARD and suggest you do 
as well.


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Hi, all.
I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, double 
tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the tone to 
be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books and 
nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
adjust the speed in the usual way.
Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
reinstall the BARD app.
Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Richard Turner 
The magnifier built-in to iOS.




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Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

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Turner
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It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure what this 
does and how it's different than the text detection I get with the camera now, 
but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with. 
https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/quick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessibility-features-ios-17

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The magnifier built-in to iOS.




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Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

Richard, USA
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(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
> Mary
>
>
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RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
You can ask Siri to "restart my iPhone."

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
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Subject: RE: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

Hi did you re start your phone after updateing your phone? From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Paula 
Pinder
Sent: September 20, 2023 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IPHONE UPDATE BROKEN MY PHONE

Hi All

I've updated my iPhone to IOS17 and I can no longer get it to speak. It plays 
the Voiceover sounds but no voice. Im using my husband's Android Samsung S10 
phone and I cant get it to read everything properly like I could on the Iphone? 
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks a lot.

Best wishes

Paula
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RE: Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do about it

2023-09-20 Thread Renee Patete 
Setting ringtones as text tones and vice versa has been available in iOS for as 
far back as I can remember. They probably just changed it so users would find 
it easier to find the right tones, but like someone else in this thread said, 
it causes issues with iTunes tones which may be classified as "ringtones" but 
may in fact be alert tones. I have several such tones, and fortunately those 
that were assigned to contacts or other notifications have stayed the same 
after the update, as long as I don't change them.

- Original Message -
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Date: Thursday, September 21, 2023 05:14
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can 
do about it

Sorry.
I totally forgot about those with hearing aids.
I totally agree that Apple should let the customer choose notification
sounds that suit their needs.
On Wed, 20 Sept 2023 at 18:30, Dennis Long  wrote:
>
> I've reported it through feedback and called apple once 17 officially 
> dropped.  This was a on purpose change that I suspect will be rolled back.  
> The best they can do is give a user option to let us choose our sound.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Renee 
> Patete
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 9:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
> can do about it
>
> I've had the same issue and have reported it in the Feedback Assistant. I 
> suspect it's a glitch or a bug that may be sorted in an update.
>
> > On 21/09/2023, at 01:09, Rafał Marzec  wrote:
> >
> > There is something to complain about
> > Because not everyone using default tones
> > After upgrade to iOS 17, I lost the possibility to use my purchased tones 
> > from iTunes Store as a alert tones because  phone not seeing it
> > I've notified Apple Support about it, and they don't know how to solve it
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 20 Sep 2023, at 1:19 pm, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
> >>
> >> My notifications come through loud and clear.
> >> I use the note sound for text messages etc and it sounds like it always 
> >> has.
> >> The only difference I find is the default notification sound.
> >> That has changed to a lower tone which I actually like.
> >> So, what are everyone complaining about?
> >>
>  On Tue, 19 Sept 2023 at 18:56, Dennis Long  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Complain Complain Complain   I did yesterday.  I will continue to do so.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> >>> Sieghard Weitzel
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 12:44 PM
> >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing 
> >>> you can do about it
> >>>
> >>> There is something you can do and that is to file this as a complaint 
> >>> with Apple Accessibility. Keep in mind that if nobody officially 
> >>> complains about it then it is unlikely anything will be done about it. If 
> >>> several hundred complaints are received then Apple may take it more 
> >>> serioously.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: '鍾 智明' via VIPhone 
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 9:36 AM
> >>> To: viphone 
> >>> Subject: Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you 
> >>> can do about it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
> >>> about it
> >>>
> >>> Apple's new notification sound is too quiet, iOS 17 and other than some 
> >>> settings in specific apps, there's no way to fix it.
> >>>
> >>> By: MALCOLM OWEN
> >>> SEPTEMBER 19, 2023 11:31 AM EDT
> >>> Apple rolled out iOS 17 on Monday, complete with a long list of features 
> >>> and updates. One quiet change was the notification sound, named Rebound, 
> >>> which is a replacement for the well-known Tri-tone alert.
> >>>
> >>> The problem is that it's a literal quiet change. People are complaining 
> >>> that it is not loud enough to be really useful as a notification sound.
> >>>
> >>> In posts to X, formerly known as Twitter, users complain that the default 
> >>> notification tone in iOS 17 is too quiet "even at full volume."
> >>>
> >>> Part of the issue is there's no way to alter the sound. There's no option 
> >>> within the various settings of iOS 17 to adjust just the notification 
> >>> sound to make it louder.
> >>>
> >>> Users who prefer the sound of the Tri-tone alert are also unable to get 
> >>> that back either, as you cannot change the default sound in iOS 17.
> >>>
> >>> At this stage, there's nothing that users can do except complain to Apple 
> >>> about it. It is unclear if Apple will include extra settings in an iOS 17 
> >>> update that enables notification sounds to be altered, but if there's 
> >>> enough noise about the problem, it could become a reality in the future.
> >>>
> >>> Notifications in iOS 17 are too quiet, and there's nothing you can do 
> >>

RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

2023-09-20 Thread leobado1982 
You wrote this:

Ow do you adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices?

So, I thought it was for Windows.

 

To get to this adjustments,  in the iPhone you can listen to this Applevis 
episode:

https://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast1565.mp3

 

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Thank you. This is for an 
Iphone and these instructions look like windows 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, I assume you want to modify the Jaws Eloquence.

 

You may want to carry out all the process by using a vocalizer voice instead of 
Eloquence.

 

First of all,  copy and paste the file that contains the values in a safe 
location, so that you can use it as a backup in any given scenario. Go to the 
following path:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\Shared\Eloquence\6.1

 

Now copy the file “ECI.INI” and put it in a safe location. Notice that in this 
folder there are two files with the same name, so make sure you’re saving the 
right file .ini.

 

Now, to modify the values contained in ECI.INI you have to launch notepad as an 
administrator, press control plus O to open a file in Notepad, and locate 
ECI.INI in the explorer.  After pushing control plus O though, make sure to 
change to “all files” the type of file extensions  that you can open with 
Notepad, otherwise you won’t be able to locate ECI.INI.

 

Once Notepad opened ECI.INI, push control plus F, and type “enu.syn” without 
any quotes,  and hit enter. Now push escape to close the dialogue.  The focus 
of the cursor should have landed on the language-specific parameters for 
Eloquence, which in this case is English United States. For English UK, you 
should locate the following string:

“eng.syn”

 

Now hit the home key  to get you to the beginning of the line, and start 
arrowing down until you find a similar line to  this one:

Voice1=0 50 65 30 0 0 50 92

 

These are actually the values you should modify to change the voice. Notice 
that after the = sign there are 8 values separated by a blank space. Those 
values correspond  respectively to:

Gender

HeadSize

PitchBaseLine

Pitch Fluctuation

Roughness

Breathiness

Speed

Volume

 

All of them scale from 0 to 100 except for gender. In this case you use 0 for 
male and 1 for female.

Now, for some reason changes has never a real effect on speed and volume, so I 
believe that Jaws is simply overwriting those parameters no matter what you do, 
but for what it’s worth, modifying the other parameters do have a real effect.

 

After performing any change, don’t forget to save the document.

 

You will also notice that there are 8 voices under each language specific 
setting, (e.g., voice2, voice3, etc.(.  Those alias  correspond respectively to 
 Reed, Shelly, Bobby, Rocko, Glen, Sandy, Grandma and Grandpa. So,  when you 
modify voice1, you’re really modifying Reed and so on and so forth.  Since I 
always want to have Reed  using the default values, but I also wanted to 
introduce modifications to use a customized voice to read, I modified Voice4, 
namely Rocko, an saved the changes. Then, I created a new voice profile based 
on Eloquence, and chose Rocko to be used in all contexts, PC, Jaws cursor, 
keyboard, etc.  In this way I can have these other profiles and always come 
back to Eloquence using the Reed voice by default.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive."

Elbert Hubbard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 1:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Ow do you 
adjust the quality of the sound on the JAWS voices? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
matthew dyer
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 2:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Very impressed with Eloquence on my iPhone.

 

Hi, 

 

I am also using it on my iPad mini and with the ability to adjust the quality 
of the sound you can make it sound more anhanced.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

On Sep 19, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Kevi

Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

2023-09-20 Thread Ron Canazzi 

Hi Group,

The Spectrum mobile app (no spec connect or my spectrum in the title) is 
the one I am talking about. That used to access TV channels that you had 
as part of your account subscription. It has and still does not have 
anything to do with the account proper. It does have a link to the My 
Spectrum app--which will launch in a separate procewss if you double tap 
that button. But the classic accessibility of the Spectrum Mobile app is 
destroyed as of Monday, September 18.



On 9/20/2023 12:13 PM, Matt White wrote:

Was coming here to say the same thing; there is a My Spectrum app and a My 
Spectrum TV app. Both seem reasonably accessible to me, at least so far.
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:05, Michael Amaro  wrote:

The mobile  app is no more.  Every thing is done threw my spectrum app

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Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility


Hi Group,

i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile App for 
iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally accessible 
until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty navigating the 
interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but setting and 
navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the simple 'all channels' 
and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a single swipe right or left 
moved you up and down the screen from channel to channel and a simple double 
tap launched the selected channel.

Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as adjustments or 
is this the new order of things with respect to the app? If so, and if people 
want to keep using the app, I suggest you give feedback through the developer 
website or the feed back link within the app settings.

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Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Mary Otten 
It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things like 
that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your camera over 
some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows? The point and 
shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it would be 
exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas Dawnville admits 
that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low vision who can see 
what they want but can’t read it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure what 
> this does and how it's different than the text detection I get with the 
> camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with. 
> https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/quick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessibility-features-ios-17
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> paekstr...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
> description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
> There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of 
> the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or 
> something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at 
> this point, unless any of those things are high on your list of important 
> features, it may not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a 
> better processor chip in the pro models too along with possibly better 
> battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley 
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
>> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
>> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
>> know about the door detection from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>> 
>> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
>> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
>> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
>> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype 
>> around it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do 
>> for us in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking 
>> pictures except for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In 
>> other words, regular photography interests me not one wit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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Re: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility

2023-09-20 Thread Matt White 
Look for an app called Spectrum TV. That’s the one you want.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 21:15, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> The Spectrum mobile app (no spec connect or my spectrum in the title) is the 
> one I am talking about. That used to access TV channels that you had as part 
> of your account subscription. It has and still does not have anything to do 
> with the account proper. It does have a link to the My Spectrum app--which 
> will launch in a separate procewss if you double tap that button. But the 
> classic accessibility of the Spectrum Mobile app is destroyed as of Monday, 
> September 18.
> 
> 
>> On 9/20/2023 12:13 PM, Matt White wrote:
>> Was coming here to say the same thing; there is a My Spectrum app and a My 
>> Spectrum TV app. Both seem reasonably accessible to me, at least so far.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:05, Michael Amaro  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The mobile  app is no more.  Every thing is done threw my spectrum app
>>> 
>>> --
>>> From: "Ron Canazzi" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 3:07 PM
>>> To: "ViPhone List" 
>>> Subject: Issue With Spectrum Mobile App Accessibility
>>> 
 Hi Group,
 
 i got my first iPhone in March of 2019. I installed the Spectrum Mobile 
 App for iPhone in June of 2019. The app worked perfectly and was totally 
 accessible until yesterday. The app updated and now I have difficulty 
 navigating the interface. The app opens with a group of new filters, but 
 setting and navigating this screen is almost impossible. Gone are the 
 simple 'all channels' and 'simple Favorites' navigation screen when a 
 single swipe right or left moved you up and down the screen from channel 
 to channel and a simple double tap launched the selected channel.
 
 Has anyone else noticed this or am i missing something as far as 
 adjustments or is this the new order of things with respect to the app? If 
 so, and if people want to keep using the app, I suggest you give feedback 
 through the developer website or the feed back link within the app 
 settings.
 
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I found out later that this text detection feature is part of the magnifier, so 
it's the same thing Richard was referring to.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things like 
that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your camera over 
some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows? The point and 
shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it would be 
exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas Dawnville admits 
that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low vision who can see 
what they want but can’t read it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
>
> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure
> what this does and how it's different than the text detection I get
> with the camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with.
> https://www.a/
> pplevis.com%2Fpodcasts%2Fquick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessib
> ility-features-ios-17&data=05%7C01%7C%7C2953876574dd46242f8a08dbba429e
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> faL7dW9Z1Fa0c%3D&reserved=0
>
> --
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
> Universe
>
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
>
> Thanks,
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
> description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
> There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of 
> the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or 
> something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at 
> this point, unless any of those things are high on your list of important 
> features, it may not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a 
> better processor chip in the pro models too along with possibly better 
> battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.
>
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>>
>> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
>> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
>> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
>> know about the door detection from Mich.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>>
>> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
>> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
>> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
>> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype 
>> around it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do 
>> for us in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking 
>> pictures except for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In 
>> other words, regular photography interests me not one wit.
>> Mary
>

RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread realman02 via VIPhone 
I'm not seeing that under accessibility. Where is it?


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Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

I was having a lot of trouble double tapping under iOS 17 until I adjusted the 
double tap delay under accessibility from 0.25 to 0.30. Now double tapping is 
working as before for me. It may be worth trying. 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Lisa Belville  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, all.
> 
> 
> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
> cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, 
> double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the 
> tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books 
> and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
> adjust the speed in the usual way.
> 
> 
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
> 
> 
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
> reinstall the BARD app.
> 
> 
> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
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RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

2023-09-20 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
It's in Settings -> Accessibility -> voiceOver. It's the last setting.

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-Original Message-
From: realman02 via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 9:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

I'm not seeing that under accessibility. Where is it?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Possible Bug in BARD app since iOS 17 Upgrade

I was having a lot of trouble double tapping under iOS 17 until I adjusted the 
double tap delay under accessibility from 0.25 to 0.30. Now double tapping is 
working as before for me. It may be worth trying.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Lisa Belville  
> wrote:
>
> Hi, all.
>
>
> I'm using iPhone 14 Pro and BARD Mobile 2.2.1.  Since upgrading to iOS 17 I 
> cannot adjust the tone of a book from within the book itself.  Normally, 
> double tapping on the speed button will bring up the tone menu and allow the 
> tone to be adjusted.  However, I've tried doing this on three separate books 
> and nothing happens when I double tap on the speed button, though I'm able to 
> adjust the speed in the usual way.
>
>
> Right now, the only way I can adjust the tone is to go to the settings tab, 
> then audio settings and adjust the tone from there.
>
>
> I've tried rebooting my phone, but no joy.  My next step is to delete and 
> reinstall the BARD app.
>
>
> Am I missing something?  Has anyone else had this issue?
>
>
>
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> Lisa Belville
> missktlab1...@frontier.com
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