Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

[mário navarro]

hi all.
I 'm not surprised with the  bugs in the new ios8.
I expected this.
apple in recent times has been to ignore the beta testrs
and each time it will be worse ...
We will never use iphone with responsibility on the part of the apple.
apple will never take responsibility to solve old problems and new ...
we wait months and years  and never will solve ...
cheers.
Em 16/09/2014 19:26, Grant Hardy escreveu:

Lynn, Cheryl, and list,

A number of excellent resources are always available on release day to 
talk you through the new features and explain what bugs you should 
expect to encounter, many of which have already been mentioned. One 
other resource that I haven't seen mentioned yet is AppleVis.com 
http://AppleVis.com. I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I 
tend to find their information extremely well written. I understand 
that they will be releasing a number of free resources and guides 
tomorrow to outline the major new changes and bugs. I would definitely 
keep an eye on www.applevis.com http://www.applevis.com as well as 
this list for more information.


Grant

On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lynn Schneider canepri...@gmail.com 
mailto:canepri...@gmail.com wrote:


Wow, what a shame. I was so excited about iOS eight and even getting 
a new phone, but with what you are saying, it seems I shouldn't do 
either, at least for a while. Thanks so much for the heads up. At 
least now I won't be in such a hurry to update or get the new phone.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com 
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com wrote:


I'm assuming that my new phone will come with iOS8 installed. If so, 
I will hold my other phone and maybe my iPad back until I have 
worked with it on the new phone and I will advise a couple of people 
I help not to update immediately so that either things will improve 
or I will know how tohelp them first. But if I can use the new iOS 
on my new phone, then I will update my other devices even if there 
are some bugs.



--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com 
mailto:roseco...@q.com wrote:


I think since I still have a 4S for now and won't get out in the 
rush for
the new next week that I may for the first time hold off on the 
upgrade.

Usually I grab it he first day last year it was four days due to
circumstances beyond my control but sounds like I need to upgrade 
my phone
first and that probably won't happen for a few more weeks, I am 
eligible

through Verizon, have been for over a month now but...

Then again, who knows, I may go for it anyway but at this moment I 
am of the
opinion that I need the newer phone first.  Which one, I don't 
know, screen
size is of no matter to me but camera stability is, since I have to 
use the

phone to identify a lot now.


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Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

Are you willing to comment as to whether version 8 is not very usable
with these bugs or not? I'm one of these who wants to install new
things asap regardless of the consequences. However, if it is so buggy
that it's hard to use then I won't. The problems which people
complained about last year didn't bother me to much if that says
anything.

On 9/13/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote:
A very positive article, what it unfortunately does not mention is 
that

iOS
8 at this time (the Goldmaster or release version) has the most 
Voiceover
issues of any release and some of these are not just little things 
like
Voiceover saying Screen Locked twice which it did for a long 
time after

iOS 7 was released.



I have been running the iOS 8 Beta since June and as far as I can tell

Apple

has listened to hardly any of the feedback and bug reports provided by

blind
beta testers. There have been 5 Beta versions and now the 
Goldmaster and
almost all of the most serious and annoying bugs are still there. 
I hope
that they react faster once the public release happens next 
Wednesday and
hopefully blind people start flooding Apple Accessibility with 
emails and

phone calls about these issues.



I will post a list of the 5 or so bugs which bug me the most and 
which I
know other beta testers have reported as soon as the iOS 8 update 
comes

out.
Anybody who wants to read about them just look for a post on 

talking goggles

[mário navarro]

hi.
Someone can tell me if the app talking goggles is still functional or 
have died?

Somebody still uses.
I can buy?
thanks.

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Re: talking goggles

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thanks friend.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 21:25, Annie Skov Nielsen escreveu:

It works fine here, but I am wondering, if it is the app which uses really much 
power.

Best regards Annie.
Den 22/09/2014 kl. 22.13 skrev Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com:


What makes  you think that it. is no longer available?  Check 
in the App Store.

Sent from my iPhone


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hi.
Someone can tell me if the app talking goggles is still functional or have died?
Somebody still uses.
I can buy?
thanks.

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Re: talking goggles

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yes it's in the app store, but I wanted to make sure it works.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 21:13, Charles Rivard escreveu:

What makes  you think that it. is no longer available?  Check 
in the App Store.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:26 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi.
Someone can tell me if the app talking goggles is still functional or have died?
Somebody still uses.
I can buy?
thanks.

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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

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hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but can 
not find.

can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek 
Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. 
I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their 
use, as well as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 
and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences 
with iOS 8 and ask questions.
If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be 
made available after the event.
You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org 
http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek Talk 
Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
room by choosing this link 
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an 
informative discussion afterwards.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Re: KNFBReader sluggish on iPad mini retina

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wrong.
It also supported and run on:

 iPad air and iPad mini rotine.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 11:45, Marianne Denning escreveu:

You may be having this problem because the KNFB Reader is only
supported on the IPhone 5, 5S, 6 and 6+.

On 9/23/14, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

Listers,

I've installed KNFBReader on iOS 8 on my iPad mini.  When I attempt to flick
through various icons on the screen, Voiceover is extremely sluggish
reporting the various buttons that are there.  Listening to Michael Hanson's
podcast from AppleVis, where he demonstrates the app on his iPhone 5S, his
Voiceover is very snappy.  Has anyone else experienced this sluggishness on
iPad mini?

Also, when trying to take a picture of a letter, KNFBReader starts reading
the document over Voiceover reading the icons which is quite distracting.
Is it possible to use just Voiceover to read the scanned and recognised
document?

Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: talking goggles

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ok annie.
let's see what a few more people that use the goggles talking say.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 12:18, Annie Skov Nielsen escreveu:

Hi.

It worked until the day before yesterday, but yesterday I did not get any 
results, but it could be an error here.

Best regards Annie.
Den 23/09/2014 kl. 10.33 skrev mário navarro mario@gmail.com:


yes it's in the app store, but I wanted to make sure it works.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 21:13, Charles Rivard escreveu:

What makes  you think that it. is no longer available?  Check 
in the App Store.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:26 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi.
Someone can tell me if the app talking goggles is still functional or have died?
Somebody still uses.
I can buy?
thanks.

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Re: talking goggles

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nice, thanks anne.
I'll buy.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 12:50, Anne Robertson escreveu:

It's working well for me today. It read my T-shirt.

Cheers,

Anne


On 23 Sep 2014, at 13:32, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


ok annie.
let's see what a few more people that use the goggles talking say.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 12:18, Annie Skov Nielsen escreveu:

Hi.

It worked until the day before yesterday, but yesterday I did not get any 
results, but it could be an error here.

Best regards Annie.


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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

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hi jonathan.
yes the file is not yet available for download.
maybe over the weekend.
thanks.
Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It 
should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the week 
I think.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:



hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but 
can not find.

can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek 
Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 
8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate 
their use, as well as look at the high number of significant bugs in 
iOS 8 and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own 
experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be 
made available after the event.
You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org 
http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek Talk 
Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
room by choosing this link 
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an 
informative discussion afterwards.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/

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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

[mário navarro]

hi friend.
thanks for the tip .

thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at 
getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast 
they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
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hi jonathan.
yes the file is not yet available for download.
maybe over the weekend.
thanks.
Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It 
should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the 
week I think.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:



hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but 
can not find.

can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a 
Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about 
iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and 
demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of 
significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own 
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If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will 
be made available after the event.
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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

[mário navarro]

hi john.
I think:
the site has no feeds.
you can not subscribe to podcasts on this site.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 19:04, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:

Stupid question but how do I add the feed for the podcasts on this
site to downcash? That is, what earl do I use? I tried accessible.org
and it didn't work.

On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi friend.
thanks for the tip .

thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at
getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast
they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi jonathan.
yes the file is not yet available for download.
maybe over the weekend.
thanks.
Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It
should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the
week I think.
Jonathan Mosen
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http://Mosen.org


On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but
can not find.
can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a
Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about
iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and
demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of
significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own
experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will
be made available after the event.
You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org
http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek
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http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
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Re: Good news on the Feeddler front!

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hi.
this app is free or payd.
I can not find in the App store.
thanks.

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Hi all,

I was curious about the upcoming Feeddler, so I emailed the developer.  He said 
it will be accessible with VoiceOver!  :)

My other question for him was can we add articles to Safari's reading list, he 
said yes, in fact, we can add them without even opening the article.

I'm excited about the release.  I was having a hard time finding an alternative 
app for the old reader.

Traci



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Shrook reader

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hi all.
Someone uses Shrook reader?
I installed it on my iPhone and when I open the app asks me the Shrook.
user name. what user name is this?
do I need to create an account?
I saw nothing in the app to create account.
Someone please explain this to me?

thanks all.
cheers.

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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

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ahahahahaahaahaahaaha. lol!
cheers.
Em 21/09/2014 17:10, Joseph escreveu:

Hello,
I guess Apple doesn't want you to make any purchases. Hahaha.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com 
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Since this button is broken, how do you buy songs in IOS 8?


Sent from my iPhone

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Additionally, the one other button you tested, in iTunes, is known 
to be broken for VO users. The send button in a new message if you 
share something through messages from an app is also broken. Those 
are the only buttons I know of that have problems, everything else 
works fine. As Kelly said, though, depending on what you're doing, 
the button may not be visually on the screen.
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If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons 
you will need to make sure that the button is visually on the 
screen. So try doing a three finger swipe to switch pages and then 
see if the button will activate. It is a really annoying 
performance bug.


Kellie and guide Loki
Sent from my iPhone

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Hi everyone,
Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I'm testing for 
work.  The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons 
which previously worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only 
to discover that double tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.
I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so 
decided to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on 
the button to purchase, but couldn't activate that either.
Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is 
a major performance issue which needs to be addressed.
Interesting that I'm now getting great results with KNFB reader on 
the new phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!

Any good work-arounds?
Olivia

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Re: Ios 8.0.1

[mário navarro]

hi alex.

apple never cleaned the vo bugs in the first updates.
was almost always the second or third.
I do not believe it's already on the first.
we still have to wait mutch  long ...
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:09, Alex Hall escreveu:
It's all over Twitter. Someone leaked some details, and the Apple news 
sites wrote up articles about it. Naturally, nothing about VO is 
mentioned, but hopefully that will be part of the update too.
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Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.

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Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is
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Re: Shrook reader

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thanks Jonh!
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:08, John Panarese escreveu:

You have to create an account.  If it's not in the app, you can go to the 
shrook.com website to do so.  It is a subscription, so there are different 
options.  I like the app on both the iPhone and the Mac.


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On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:06 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi all.
Someone uses Shrook reader?
I installed it on my iPhone and when I open the app asks me the Shrook.
user name. what user name is this?
do I need to create an account?
I saw nothing in the app to create account.
Someone please explain this to me?

thanks all.
cheers.

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Re: Good news on the Feeddler front!

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ok tracy, thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:44, Traci Duncan escreveu:

Hi the update is not in the store yet.  AS far as I understand, there will be a 
free  a pro version.  Not sure of the differences yet.

Traci

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:59 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
this app is free or payd.
I can not find in the App store.
thanks.

Em 22/09/2014 22:36, Traci Duncan escreveu:

Hi all,

I was curious about the upcoming Feeddler, so I emailed the developer.  He said 
it will be accessible with VoiceOver!  :)

My other question for him was can we add articles to Safari's reading list, he 
said yes, in fact, we can add them without even opening the article.

I'm excited about the release.  I was having a hard time finding an alternative 
app for the old reader.

Traci


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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

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hi jonathan
I tried to sign with the native app apple podcasts, and shows no results.
 but worked without problems on overcast app
have no idea why this happens.
thanks jonathan.
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Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

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waw man, I would not say better ...
I stopped to help the apple to solve the problems of vo because the 
apple never heard me.

 I never seen anything that I reported has been resolved ...
apple has to solve the problems of bugs in vo with the same respect that 
solves the problems of sighted people ..

the facts prove what you write ...
and this is repeated in a vicious cycle of months and years ...
we never use the iPhone with full responsibility.
Congratulations for your courage to speak the truth ...
we have to stop defending apple and show them that there must be more 
responsable  in commitment  assumed with the accessibility ...

thanks for your words friend.
cheers.
Em 25/09/2014 10:34, Pablo Morales escreveu:

Yes, but you will enjoy a good device, a very expensive device, for a short
period of time, because when the new release come, the story will start
again. This is thepoint, we paid a lot of money for a new device, and we
need, or we have to support  bugs for months. With IOs7, happened the same
thing, and IOs7 didn't have the number of bugs that IOs8 is getting. We have
to wait for months until apple fix not all, but the most part of bugs
related with accessibility or not related with it. Now, months later, a new
release comes, and the story started again. In one or 2 months, a new IOs8
will come, but not fixing everything, and in cases, will bring another
problems. And there we are, giving thanks to apple and kissing the floor
that applewalked on.
No way. One year ago, I said, apple needs to change this way of make
business. They are abusing.
But we will see what happen.





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver

Well, while I don't disagree with you about what happened today, Apple and
IOS 8 aren't complete crap, because despite the bugs, many of us upgraded to
this. And most folks, while they're talking smack will still stay with
Apple. And when they get it right, which you know they will, will fall in
love with the beloved Apple all over again. Yup, that's the way it is!

On 9/24/14, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote:

Sharonda,

Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled
today, its making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an
Apple product is really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused
the confidence of their customers by letting down their quality
control which, in fact, is complete crap.  As far as I am concerned,
the subjet line can stay there for a while

Ron  Danvers


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver

Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not
complete crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is
not complete crap. That's just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:

I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian
for example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.


On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
have supported it.


On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode oyv...@lode.is wrote:
First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die
on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it
crashed VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
to toggle the voice on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me
in similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off
and then back on as well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart
phone 

Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

[mário navarro]

yes friend absolutely right.
I also share your words ...
I sold my imac because I was tired of the irresponsibility of the apple.
I thought things were better in IOS and with the money from selling the 
imac bought an iPhone.
but once again the apple disappointed me because it is the total 
irresponsibility on all your systems ...

vo on OSX, is stopped in time.
Apple does not listen to us and no longer serves us as it should ...
I think that apple is no longer able to continue to innovate the vo.
if apple would hear us things would not be this shame ...
we must have the same rights as the sighted people.
let's stop  to say amen to favors that apple makes us ...
apple stop  sleeping in the spotlight ...
open your eyes and stop being irresponsible ...
cheers.

Em 25/09/2014 10:27, Pablo Morales escreveu:


Hmmm, I think everything has a limit. Apple makes great products, even 
though, it should not be a excuse to start doing this kind of things. 
Since this last year, me and apple are very mad. Mad, because I am 
noticing that for them, when they have a huge reputation, they want to 
sale more, and IOs and other examples is something that apple is not 
testing enough, just to  make more money.


Anyway. I am very happy now, with my IOs 7.1.2, and you know what?

I have less than one year using this IOs 7.1.2, why I will install a 
new release with bunches of bugs?


It doesn't make sense. But it is my opinion, and I respect who wants 
to try something new, when they know that IOs8 is getting a lot of 
problems, related with the accessibility, and not with the accessibility.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Ron Pelletier

*Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:28 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Neal,

I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are 
impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't 
have time to properly check them.  Having seen what has happened last 
year and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to 
put out the new product is more important than coming out with the 
right thing from the get go.  They set themselves a deadline and go 
crazy trying to stick to it and the result is what we get.


I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the 
problems and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, 
people seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is 
ready. When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the 
first to get the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about 
several dozen bugs.


Ron  Danvers

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that 
they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to 
pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on 
the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the 
testing of these done in house. This also raises the question of 
updates released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I 
guess we will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests 
the updates they release.


Neal

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Hall

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I 
imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the 
iPhone6.


On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma trea.a...@gmail.com 
mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com wrote:


I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was 
able to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is 
solved.


*From:*Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com

*Cc:*Rich Ring mailto:richr...@gmail.com

*Subject:*Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

However, I've heard that some users are losing cell service and that 
the update also breaks touch ID. I think I'll wait!



You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of 
Fielding


Sent from my Mac Book Pro

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On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Gail the U. S. Male 
gailcrowe1...@gmail.com mailto:gailcrowe1...@gmail.com wrote:


Yes, It sure is!  I just saw the announcement in my iTunes. I'm 
downloading it now, as I write this. I was trying to send a message to 
the list, but you beat me to it. LOL!


- Original Message -

*From:*Cristóbal 

Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[mário navarro]

ahaahaahaahaahaaha. lol!
cheers.
Em 25/09/2014 04:55, Ron Pelletier escreveu:

Hi,

Congratulations on your patience. You have to be an angel to have your phone
crash 10 to 15 times a day and still not regret upgrading to IOS 8

I wish I had your patience

Ron  Danvers


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Øyvind Lode
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO is
on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case that
your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle the voice
on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back on as
well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs is
compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone technologies,
like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO, one of the great
things about Apple and their commitment to making their main stream products
accessible is that we get treated the same as the rest of their main stream
customers. I fear that if we lower the bar with our expectations then we're
no better off then when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so
many people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where
credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being
happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.

On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone. iOS

is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be fixed,
Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what happens.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:

I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as
for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while
tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes
through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell
Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok,
really then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press
the power on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and
now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really
impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with
all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for
the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and
that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in
that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other
areas and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start
at least listening to what Droid is doin

g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.

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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[mário navarro]

was your lucky ...
I'm still with 7.2 and have not updated to 8, because I already know how 
Apple works with the blind community ...

cheers.
Em 24/09/2014 07:15, Shirley escreveu:
So glad I didnt update. I couldnt, I did not have enough space on my 
phone. But now I'm glad I didnt.

shirley

-Original Message- From: Brian Fischler
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for 
the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while 
tapping the screen at the same time a push notification comes through. 
VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to 
tell Siri to turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really 
then why am I hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power 
on/off button and the home button to restart the phone and now that 
doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive 
job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its 
bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by Apple for the blind 
community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if 
Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in that one as 
it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas and 
VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least 
listening to what Droid is doing, never thought I would say that 
having been on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my 
products to Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making 
me start to think maybe Apple isn't the answer.




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Talking Tuner problems.

[mário navarro]

hi all.
please someone can tell me if the app talking tuner works on iOS 7.2?
I bought this app but I am not getting any result.
Can anyone tell me how this works?
or does it have some kind of bug on iOS 7.2?
please help!
thanks.
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Re: Talking Tuner problems.

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hi alex.
my friend I already did all that.
every time I play a note, talking tuner dont  tells me nothing.
I have everything set up correctly but I dont hear nothing.
I have no voice feedback every time I play a note
some more tips?
thanks.
cheers.
Em 01/10/2014 18:34, Alex Hall escreveu:
It works just fine. Play a note, silence it, and let the iOS device 
tell you the pitch. You may need to increase your mic sensitivity. 
Also, be sure you allow the app access to the microphone, or it won't 
hear anything.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:27 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:



hi all.
please someone can tell me if the app talking tuner works on iOS 7.2?
I bought this app but I am not getting any result.
Can anyone tell me how this works?
or does it have some kind of bug on iOS 7.2?
please help!
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Talking Tuner problems.

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ok, now it works.
but I had to turn off the iPhone and reconnect.
I think the app needed to be closed for the micro configuration to take 
effect.

thanks all.
cheers.
Em 01/10/2014 18:34, Alex Hall escreveu:
It works just fine. Play a note, silence it, and let the iOS device 
tell you the pitch. You may need to increase your mic sensitivity. 
Also, be sure you allow the app access to the microphone, or it won't 
hear anything.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:27 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
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hi all.
please someone can tell me if the app talking tuner works on iOS 7.2?
I bought this app but I am not getting any result.
Can anyone tell me how this works?
or does it have some kind of bug on iOS 7.2?
please help!
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Talking Tuner problems.

[mário navarro]

hi friend, yes you are right.
is very frustrating to hear always flat, flat, flat, sharp, sharp, sharp.
I can tune my guitar much better whith  my ears than this crap talking 
tuner ...

cheers.
Em 01/10/2014 18:52, RobH. escreveu:

As an aside to this,  what is the best method of use?

I have been doing a round robin, which is to say, strike each string in turn
and adjust each as I go;  and it can get terrible frustrating sometimes.
Keeps saying ten cents flat, flat, flat, sharp, sharp, flat   like it
can't make it mind up!
If I had a better ear, I'd do it by a tone and work it out that way.

This time, I've just concentrated on the one string until it said in tune;
then moved on;  Still need fine tuning though, and wonder how good if I
changed it's percentage sensitivity?

Thanks, RobH.
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Subject: Re: Talking Tuner problems.


It works just fine. Play a note, silence it, and let the iOS device tell you
the pitch. You may need to increase your mic sensitivity. Also, be sure you
allow the app access to the microphone, or it won't hear anything.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:27 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi all.
please someone can tell me if the app talking tuner works on iOS 7.2?
I bought this app but I am not getting any result.
Can anyone tell me how this works?
or does it have some kind of bug on iOS 7.2?
please help!
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Talking Tuner problems.

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 friend,thanks for the tips
cheers.

Em 01/10/2014 21:36, RobH. escreveu:

For solo playing, I reckon that is the best way, get one string right, then
tune to that.  There's a good series of cross checks, and a good instrument
and a good job done when they all line up.  I had, and not to say parted
with,  an instrument recently,  that just never tuned to itself, no matter
what we did.  Took it back to the shop and they fiddled with the bridge,
took the bone saddle out and put it back the other way in fact.  I know they
grind them a bit this or that way off centre to get them right.  Yes, a
class instrument would have individual screws or something on the bridge to
do that.  These are ukuleles and don't have that.

anyway,  the one string method works Ok, and there are tone related tuners,
for guitar, ukulele, mandolin; and so on.  The sound quality of the tones
isn't that good, but pitch must be right. I know all the ones I had off the
same source were simply called guitar tuner, ukulele tuner, mandolin tuner;
those as search terms brought up loads of stuff that was wholey visual and
actually named something else.

So there's more options yet.
I am NOT! a lover of tuning pipes.

Thanks, RobH.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Talking Tuner problems.


I use it quite successfully. Tune in small increments, and remember that it
could be five cents off either way. It works well enough to get me mostly in
tune, and if I have to adjust a few strings to match the rest, no big deal.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:36 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi friend, yes you are right.
is very frustrating to hear always flat, flat, flat, sharp, sharp, sharp.
I can tune my guitar much better whith  my ears than this crap talking
tuner ...
cheers.
Em 01/10/2014 18:52, RobH. escreveu:

As an aside to this,  what is the best method of use?

I have been doing a round robin, which is to say, strike each string in
turn
and adjust each as I go;  and it can get terrible frustrating sometimes.
Keeps saying ten cents flat, flat, flat, sharp, sharp, flat   like it
can't make it mind up!
If I had a better ear, I'd do it by a tone and work it out that way.

This time, I've just concentrated on the one string until it said in
tune;
then moved on;  Still need fine tuning though, and wonder how good if I
changed it's percentage sensitivity?

Thanks, RobH.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: Talking Tuner problems.


It works just fine. Play a note, silence it, and let the iOS device tell
you
the pitch. You may need to increase your mic sensitivity. Also, be sure
you
allow the app access to the microphone, or it won't hear anything.
On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:27 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi all.
please someone can tell me if the app talking tuner works on iOS 7.2?
I bought this app but I am not getting any result.
Can anyone tell me how this works?
or does it have some kind of bug on iOS 7.2?
please help!
thanks.
cheers.

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jail break. iPhone-elequence.

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hi all.
Can someone tell me if I jail break I can use the synthesizer eloquence 
on my iPhone?

I can dream about it?
I do everything to use eloquence on my iPhone ...
tips please ...
thanks.
cheers.

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App to convert money.

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hi all.
Anyone know an App to convert money?
Someone recommended me one accessible?
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: jail break. iPhone-elequence.

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oh god ...
my dream is over ...
big  trauma in my head ...
for me the weakest point on the iPhone ...
the voices ...
thanks.
cheers.
Em 04/10/2014 19:48, Ben Mustill-Rose escreveu:

Hi,

Not possible unfortunately.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 10/4/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi all.
Can someone tell me if I jail break I can use the synthesizer eloquence
on my iPhone?
I can dream about it?
I do everything to use eloquence on my iPhone ...
tips please ...
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: App to convert money.

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yes, you're right.
would be great ...
thanks.

cheers.
Em 04/10/2014 19:41, RobH. escreveu:

This ought to be something useful to add to the notification centre instead
of all those stocks we've not got. Pity we couldn't ask for it, or get
something like it from the same source as the stocks.
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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 7:12 PM
Subject: App to convert money.


hi all.
Anyone know an App to convert money?
Someone recommended me one accessible?
thanks.
cheers.



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Re: App to convert money.

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thanks! I'll try.
smile
let's see if Siri is good in math ...
cheers.
Em 04/10/2014 20:58, RobH. escreveu:

I just asked Siri:  convert 10 uk pounds to Australian dollars.

she thought about it and then said 10 uk pounds is about 18.something
australian dollars.

Loved the way she said Hummmnmnmnm,...   let me think

Before I got a right answer.

That's good enough. For iOs 7.1.2, that's the best result I've had so far.

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Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: App to convert money.


I used Siri once to do a foreign currency convertion from dollars but don't
remember what words I used to get the answer.

Juan

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hi all.
Anyone know an App to convert money?
Someone recommended me one accessible?
thanks.
cheers.



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Re: App to convert money.

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thanks! nice!
cheers.
Em 04/10/2014 23:55, Kelly Pierce escreveu:

Siri is great in quiet places when someone wants to convert multiple
currency units.  It is also possible to use the stocks app on the
iPhone to find the exchange rate of a currency.  to do this, go to the
currency calculator on Yahoo Finance.  The app uses Yahoo Finance for
its data.  The Web page is:

http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert

find the heading for currencies and enter the currency pair that is to
be converted.  The system will automatically populate the name of the
currency as you type it using the instructions.  When it names the
currency, the page also lists the symbol for each currency.  In the
earlier example, the British Pound is GDP and the Australian Dollar is
AUD.

The symbols for the currency pair then need to be entered into a
formula in the edit field where one would normally add a stock symbol
for validation.  The formula is symbol one combined with symbol two
followed by an equals sign and the letter X with no spaces.  The first
symbol is the base currency and the second symbol is the converted
currency.  In the earlier example the formula would be:

gbpaud=x

For the exchange rate of Australian dollars into Brittish Pounds, the
order would be reversed.

I like to keep track of exchange rates in this way because SIRI may
not be available because of noise. It delivers the same results as
SIRI with two decemal places.

Kelly



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I just asked Siri:  convert 10 uk pounds to Australian dollars.

she thought about it and then said 10 uk pounds is about 18.something
australian dollars.

Loved the way she said Hummmnmnmnm,...   let me think

Before I got a right answer.

That's good enough. For iOs 7.1.2, that's the best result I've had so far.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: App to convert money.


I used Siri once to do a foreign currency convertion from dollars but don't
remember what words I used to get the answer.

Juan

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hi all.
Anyone know an App to convert money?
Someone recommended me one accessible?
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8

[mário navarro]

well spoken.
bugs have been reported the accessibility team at all cycles of the 
betas ...

cheers.
Em 10/10/2014 11:03, Pablo Morales escreveu:

No, it is not true. The beta testers informed apple about the most part of bugs 
found in IOs8, even though, they didn't pay attention to these reports.
So, what is the function of the beta testers then?
People in this email list are beta testers, and they reported those bugs to 
apple. No matter, apple released IOs8. Of course, they reported those bugs 
months before the release.
So?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
RobH.
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8

Unless someof us tried it, they wouldn't know about all the bugs;  so the rest 
of the more adventurous are doing the rest, and You, a big favour really.

Hope you appreciate that.

R.
- Original Message -
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:37 AM
Subject: RE: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8


Yes, it is exactly what I am doing. I don't have my iPhone full, but I am
not going to install IOs8, until they fix all those bugs. It is something
that I recommend to every body. IOs 8 has good things, but the accessibility
is something very important to us, so we need to wait a little bit, to enjoy
the good things of IOs8.

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Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8

I use to lament the fact that my iPhone 5 was too full of stuff, and looked
forward to the 128 gig iPhone 6.  Now, I am keeping it too full on purpose,
so that Apple can't download IOS 8 onto it automatically, until they get
some of the bugs fixed, and I am ready to install it.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 2:21 AM
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8


You can't it will have to be installed one day. Even if you delete the
download from settings general usage it will reappear at some point. I
say if you don't like this then don't be part of the Apple ecosystem.
Just my £0.02 worth.


Sent from my laptop

On 09/10/2014 02:11, Joe wrote:

On that note, I'm actually interested in dismissing iOS 8 in my Settings.
I don't think my 4S will fair well with this major update. Any ideas on
how to get rid of it from my Settings and relieve the space?

Joe

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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:00 PM
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hi,

exactly, i can't feel sorry for people who just have to always have the
newest xyz then bm about xyz doesn't work.
Bryan Schulz


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8


The majority of businesses never immediately upgrade software to the
newest
edition, especially when it comes to the firmware of a device like a cell
phone.  And they do not do so for a darned good reason.

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finished,
you! really! are! finished!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8


Chris,

No point in doing Apple a favour if you're not also doing yourself a
favour, or doing it for your own interest. When people need to upgrade,
for reasons of favourite app compatibility or interest in extra features
offered, for example, they will. latest isn't necessarily, nor always,
greatest. Not everybody has the time and patience and technical nous to
deal with bugs and errors.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: My thoughts on not upgrading to iOS 8


Thanks all. The reason I posted this is I am seeing a lot of people not
upgrading for absolutely no reason at all other than until the bugs are
fixed. This I'm afraid is not part of real life as far as software goes.
All software will have bugs no matter how good the developers are,
including those working for major companies like Apple. So waiting till
all bugs are fixed is like waiting till the world ends.


Sent from my laptop

On 30/09/2014 15:48, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Shawn,

Quite a few Voiceover users beta tested iOS 8 and it's definitely far
from
as good as it could be *smile*. 

Apple Rolling Out Revamped iTunes Store to iTunes 12 Users Ahead of OS X Yosemite Launch

[mário navarro]

Apple Rolling Out Revamped iTunes Store to iTunes 12 Users Ahead of OS X 
Yosemite Launch
MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors - Front Page

Apple has started rolling out a new iTunes Store design for OS X Yosemite 
testers that have iTunes 12 installed. The revamped storefront takes several 
design elements from the iTunes Store and App Store on iOS, adopting a cleaner, 
flatter look that does away with a lot of shadowing and texture that was 
previously seen in the design. The revamped look fits in with the design of 
iTunes 12, which takes on the flatter, more iOS-like look seen across OS X 
Yosemite. 

For example, the top bar of the iTunes Store that currently displays cards in a 
rotating carousel for featured music, movies, apps, and TV shows in their 
respective categories has been flattened out into a scrollable banner with the 
new iTunes Store design, doing away with the previous card-style layout. 

 
The slight bit of shadowing that used to highlight app icons, music icons, and 
categories, has been eliminated and as can be seen in the screenshot below, 
Apple is using a slightly lighter and larger font for menu options. The light 
gray background of the existing store has now been replaced with a white 
background. 

 
Prominent rounded menu buttons have been eliminated in favor of flat, 
unobtrusive buttons as can be seen with the “Download” option in the individual 
App Store view shown below. Individual content pages have also lost all 
highlight shadowing, with screenshots and app icons flat against the background 
of the page. Movie, TV Show, and Music pages all have the same flattened 
design. 

While main content pages now have a white background, some individual movie, 
app, TV show, and music pages continue to have a colored background, that also 
adopts all of the flat interface elements. 

 
As noted by 9to5Mac, the new design has not yet been implemented on all pages, 
with some, like the gift card redemption page, continuing to use older 
interface elements. 

iTunes 12 will launch alongside OS X Yosemite, which is expected to be released 
to the public in late October. The operating system may be shown off one last 
time at Apple’s October 16 iPad event ahead of its official launch.


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play audio files on cloud computing.

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hi all.
please someone knows an App player that reproduces in general all Apps 
cloud computing?

such as:
dropbox, mega, google drive, box, and more ...
a unique player which fuses with most cloud computing.
I play the DropM to dropbox but not like him very much.
I wanted one player that plays audio files for all of these clouds ...
thanks.
cheers.

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safari.

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hi.
for those who have installed ios8.
can you tell me if the voice over on safari already has support for 
storing html content.
when we enter a link to read the contents, and returned to the previous 
page the focus of voice over back to the starting point of that link or 
focus continues to go to the top of the page?

thanks.
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Re: New Skype on iPhone 6

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yes, everyone
cheers.


Em 20/10/2014 18:19, Neal Ewers escreveu:


Hi, I got a call from someone today who is using the newest version of 
skype on her iPhone 6. She was using the internal microphone of the 
iPhone, but I could hardly hear her. She changed from speaker phone on 
and off and it made no difference. If she talked right into the phone, 
it sounded OK, so it would appear that it works on hand set when the 
speaker phone is off, but speaker phone with the phone hanging around 
her neck could hardly be heard.


Is there any kind of adjustment for volume in settings? I don't have 
the new OS, so I don't know the answer to that. Has anyone else had 
this problem?


Neal

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Re: to upgrade my iPhone 5 to IOS8.1 or not

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what  you going to win are a lot of headaches ...
cheers.
Em 24/10/2014 01:02, Casey escreveu:
Hi okay I have an i Phone 5 and I am currently running IOS 7.12 and 
now even if IS 8.1 is buggy.
Is it okay to upgrade to 8.1 and what Ll will I be gaining if I 
upgrade from 7.12 to 8.1?





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Re: The best app for playing music from dropbox.

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hi.

I bought the pro version of the air file, but I can not play folders 
without having to open them.


this is not possible?

the air file pro has option to play in ramdom mode?

thanks.
cheers.
Em 18/03/2015 03:37, Rob escreveu:

search for AirFile in the app store.
it allows you to manage multiple cloud accounts.
I use it to play my music, because it will play a folder of music, 
where the DropBox app will only play one song at a time.


On 3/17/2015 3:55 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

Hi all.

I got a really great update from dropbox a while ago, so I got 1 tb 
of space instead of 100 gb of space. I have put all my music in 
dropbox. This is really great, but do any of you have a 
recommendation of an app for playing music from dropbox. I have tried 
tunebox a great app but there seems to be a how much do you like 
tunebox I can not be rid of that question. Can anyone recommend an app.


Best regards Annie.





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Re: The best app for playing music from dropbox.

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ok already discovered the shuffle option to play in ramdom mode.
thanks.
cheers.
Em 18/03/2015 03:37, Rob escreveu:

search for AirFile in the app store.
it allows you to manage multiple cloud accounts.
I use it to play my music, because it will play a folder of music, 
where the DropBox app will only play one song at a time.


On 3/17/2015 3:55 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

Hi all.

I got a really great update from dropbox a while ago, so I got 1 tb 
of space instead of 100 gb of space. I have put all my music in 
dropbox. This is really great, but do any of you have a 
recommendation of an app for playing music from dropbox. I have tried 
tunebox a great app but there seems to be a how much do you like 
tunebox I can not be rid of that question. Can anyone recommend an app.


Best regards Annie.





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Re: In My Iphone5, Speech rate Gets Doubled When Changing Language On Rotor

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yes is a bug.
 happens to me...
cheers.
Em 25/03/2015 13:59, Fazil escreveu:


It happens in both ways whether switching from a to b or from b to a.

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Anne Robertson

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Language On Rotor


Hello Feliciano,

If it isn’t a bug, why does the same speech rate setting give faster 
speech in the second language, the one that is different from the 
current language of the iPhone? Such an inconsistency seems like a bug 
to me.


Cheers,

Anne

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Hi, no it is not actually a bug. If you go to settings, general,
accessibility, voiceover, speech, you will have the  ability to
change the speed of each language  if you activate  the more info
button.

  Regards,

Feliciano

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Re: In My Iphone5, Speech rate Gets Doubled When Changing Language On Rotor

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no solucion.
 is a bug.
cheers.

Em 25/03/2015 07:28, Fazil escreveu:


Hi, list.

I have Iphone5 with IOS8.1.2.

The Speech Rate increased considerably when I change the language 
using rotor. Is this a bug? Do we have solution for this, please?


Thanks!

r

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Re: In My Iphone5, Speech rate Gets Doubled When Changing Language On Rotor

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it is a bug.
cheers.
Em 25/03/2015 12:29, Feliciano Godoy escreveu:
Hi, no it is not actually a bug. If you go to settings, general, 
accessibility, voiceover, speech, you will have the  ability to change 
the speed of each language  if you activate  the more info button.


  Regards,
Feliciano



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Hi, list.

I have Iphone5 with IOS8.1.2.

The Speech Rate increased considerably when I change the language 
using rotor. Is this a bug? Do we have solution for this, please?


Thanks!

r

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Re: Update: Doubled Letters with external BlueTooth Keyboard

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hi.

For me, this bug is still active.
 in some edition fields  this problem is still present.
 and in the spotlight is a disgrace...
 can not use the spotlight for nothing.
 I use an iPad 2 and this bug is the worst thing that can exist.
 apple did not solve a one of the worst bugs, which to me is a very 
serious bug...

 cannot understand how this bug was not high on the list.
 cheers.

On 09/04/2015 23:20, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:
This double letter problem was very bad for me until this update.  I'm 
using an Apple keyboard and haven't seen any further occurrence in the 
writing of one new contact last night.  I'll try it some more to make 
sure but it's looking good right now.

Carol P

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*Subject:* Re: Update: Doubled Letters with external BlueTooth
Keyboard

If you configure it in Settings  General  Accessibility 
Accessibility Shortcut, you can triple click the Home button to
toggle VoiceOver on or off. I have also seen this chracter repeat
bug, but I haven't yet done enough with a bluetooth keyboard (I
only just found I still have one) to figure out just what the
problem is or how to fix it. I'll try toggling VO to see if that
helps--thanks for the tip.

On Apr 9, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Chris Smart csma...@cogeco.ca
mailto:csma...@cogeco.ca wrote:

With iOS 8.3 on iPhone 6+, Logitech Keys-to-Go keyboard, I
sometimes get doubled characters when typing.  This appears to be
a Voiceover related bug, since, if I tell Siri to turn Voiceover
off, then turn Voiceover back on, the doubled characters go away
and things work as they should.

Question: In case this happens frequently, is there a touchscreen
gesture to quickly turn VO off and on?  Three finger triple tap
turns speech on and off, which is apparently not the same thing.

Chris

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Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing

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hi.
very well said.
there are people in this group who needed to hear your words.
what it can  be good for them, it may not be for others.
and for me it is not.
Apple has to take more responsibility for the blind community in this world.
some people think that what Apple does for us, it's a favor.
we do not need favors, but rights.
and we must fight for our rights.
and this is not just for Apple, but for all companies that do not 
respect us as they should
we always do our part in cooperation  in solving the problems, but the 
apple never treat us with the same rights that deals with sighted people.


 apple has the ability to solve the problems of the sighted, why  it 
also does not solve the problems of the blind with the same capacity?

blind are those who do not want to see ...

and I'm blind, but I want to see!
and always want the best for me!
and if I am an apple user,
I'm also a client.
and if I am a client, I have to be treated with respect.
and respect for me, is to have equal rights.
thank you for your words.
cheers.

Às 13:37 de 23/10/2015, Christopher Chaltain escreveu:
I can assure you, I'm not missing the point. The fact that Apple has a 
lot of products is irrelevant. Apple is also the wealthiest company in 
the world, due to the fact that they have a lot of successful 
products. I'm not going to cut them any slack because they have a lot 
of products since they also have a lot of resources. If they have too 
many products, and they can't maintain a certain level of quality 
across those products then they need to make some changes in 
priorities and business decisions. Note, I'm not saying Apple has a 
quality issue or that they don't care about accessibility. I'm just 
saying that the argument that they have a lot of products is bogus.


I can't help it if you think the issues I've reported are trivial, but 
they certainly are not to me. Having to hard reset my phone every time 
I get a call when my headset is attached certainly impacts my ability 
to use my iPhone the way I've been using it for years. I can also tell 
you that I process a lot fewer emails now that I have to recycle 
VoiceOver every time I reply to an email message. I use an iPhone for 
both my personal use and for my job, and these bugs are definitely 
impacting my ability to be productive at work.


I'm sorry the fact that I'm a lot less reluctant to recommend an 
iPhone to a blind user, at least not without telling them the bugs I'm 
running into on IOS 9 bothers you, but I'd hate to have a blind person 
get an iPhone and then run into the problems I'm seeing. If they don't 
use the phone the way I do, or they don't see these bugs themselves, 
then that's great, but at least they'll be making an informed 
decision. My real point in saying that though, was that people's 
impression of IOS 8 versus IOS 9 has a lot to do with how they use 
their phone. I was not an IOS 8 basher, but I'm definitely running 
into a lot more issue that impact me and how I use my phone on IOS 9 
then I did on IOS 8. For me, the quality of IOS 9 has definitely 
deteriorated, so it isn't true for everyone that IOS 8 was this 
unmitigated disaster and IOS 9 has solved all of those issues.


On 10/23/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi,

I think everyone’s missing the point here. Apple’s accessibility team 
is not just focusing on VoiceOver, they’re focusing on an entire set 
of features, covering different disabilities. Furthermore, they’ve 
now got 4 operating systems to focus on, rather than 2.
None of the bugs mentioned in this thread absolutely prevent anyone 
from using iOS, so let Apple fix them when they get to them on what 
is probably a gigantic list of things to fix, and not just for 
VoiceOver users.
Saying you can’t recommend the iPhone any more because of a few minor 
annoyances seems a bit far fetched in my opinion.



On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Rajmund  wrote:

Hello,
Yes, there are some worrying bugs, let's be fair.

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Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: A Quick Word On Beta Testing




For me, I didn't find any bugs in IOS 8 I couldn't live with. I never
regretted upgrading to IOS 8. IOS 9 is a different story. I lose
VoiceOver when I answer a call with my headset on, and VoiceOver 
freezes

when I reply to an email message. I'm still getting by with the work
arounds I've uncovered so far, but I'm much less satisfied with IOS 9
than I was with IOS 8, and I can't recommend the iPhone anymore to
another blind person, at least not without letting them know about 
these

issues.

On 10/22/2015 12:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I guess you just said what i was trying to say earlier on only mor 
well spokenly than me.

Thanks for that.
/Krister


22 okt. 2015 kl. 18:59 skrev Wayne Merritt :

Everyone,
Think for a moment how many bugs and issues there were in 

Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Mário Navarro]

a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward 
the blind.


apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you 
have had in recent times with the blind?

only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in 
a grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by 
VoiceOver when audio ducking is enabled
• Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour appeared to indicate that 
it was not possible to enter text into some webpage text fields (such as 
the Search

fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
VoiceOver > Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only 
situation where
voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited storage 
space available on your device or poor internet connectivity).

list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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bluetooth keyboard bug.

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hi.
Can anyone confirm if the bug with bluetooth keyboard in edit fields was 
fixed?

I will not do the update without  know  if  this bug has been fixed.
thanks.
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mail. new keyboard shortcut commands

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hi.
someone can answer me this question?
I am using an iPad Mini2, and I am not able to use the new keyboard 
shortcut commands in the mail app.


I already know all new mail shortcuts on ios 9 for the mail, but in my 
apple bluetooth keyboard, these shortcuts do not work.

Some tips?
thanks.
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Re: Curious if fixed in 9.1

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hi Jonathan. please can you confirm if the bug of text editing in the 
edit fields with bluetooth keyboard was fixed?


thanks.
cheers.

Às 02:40 de 22/10/2015, Brian Fischler escreveu:

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for confirming that the center of the screen or not losing 
focus is fixed, yeah that was a big one as it made going through long 
lists in Twitterrific or Newsify useless. Really wish the two finger 
double tap which seems so basic since if you use the native podcast 
app works there but does not work when using Downcast work. Great to 
hear your phone answering bug has been squashed as that sounded awful. 
Fortunately I did not have that one.
On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Mosen > wrote:


Hi Brian, your issue 2 has been fixed, at least for me. With iOS 
9.0x, Tweetings was a dreadful experience, now it's back to the way 
it was, where you can tap the centre of the screen and return to your 
place.
There are a bunch of welcome fixes including, most importantly for 
me, being able to answer calls reliably again. Bluetooth keyboard 
support is also improved.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 

On 22/10/2015, at 11:57 AM, Brian Fischler > wrote:


Hey all,

Still waiting for download to complete curious if people have 
noticed if any of these bugs have been fixed in the 9.1 update.


1. Two finger double tap working to pause and replay audio. Since 
IOS 8.4 doing this in Downcast and other apps starts audio from 
Apple music playing quite annoying.


2. Scrolling going to top instead of focus on last item. Quite 
annoying when navigating long lists in Newsify and other apps as VO 
when going back a screen goes to the very first item.


3. Heading navigation broken in apps like Newsify and Grubhub. Not 
sure if IOS bug or app specific but Grubhub used to have food 
headings that you could quickly jump to via headings in the rotor 
and Newsify had a list of dates articles came out you could jump to 
and all have been broken or gone since IOS 9. Thanks,


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Re: Curious if fixed in 9.1

[Mário Navarro]

ok Jonathan.
thanks friend.
cheers.

Às 03:13 de 22/10/2015, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
Yes, it is. Although i still occasionally get double characters when 
typing with Bluetooth keyboards. This has been around for me since iOS 
8.4 and can be fixed by toggling VO off and back on again.

Jonathan Mosen
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<mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:





hi Jonathan. please can you confirm if the bug of text editing in the 
edit fields with bluetooth keyboard was fixed?


thanks.
cheers.

Às 02:40 de 22/10/2015, Brian Fischler escreveu:

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for confirming that the center of the screen or not losing 
focus is fixed, yeah that was a big one as it made going through 
long lists in Twitterrific or Newsify useless. Really wish the two 
finger double tap which seems so basic since if you use the native 
podcast app works there but does not work when using Downcast work. 
Great to hear your phone answering bug has been squashed as that 
sounded awful. Fortunately I did not have that one.
On Oct 21, 2015, at 9:10 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org 
<mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>> wrote:


Hi Brian, your issue 2 has been fixed, at least for me. With iOS 
9.0x, Tweetings was a dreadful experience, now it's back to the way 
it was, where you can tap the centre of the screen and return to 
your place.
There are a bunch of welcome fixes including, most importantly for 
me, being able to answer calls reliably again. Bluetooth keyboard 
support is also improved.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org <http://mosen.org/>

On 22/10/2015, at 11:57 AM, Brian Fischler <brianfisch...@me.com 
<mailto:brianfisch...@me.com>> wrote:


Hey all,

Still waiting for download to complete curious if people have 
noticed if any of these bugs have been fixed in the 9.1 update.


1. Two finger double tap working to pause and replay audio. Since 
IOS 8.4 doing this in Downcast and other apps starts audio from 
Apple music playing quite annoying.


2. Scrolling going to top instead of focus on last item. Quite 
annoying when navigating long lists in Newsify and other apps as 
VO when going back a screen goes to the very first item.


3. Heading navigation broken in apps like Newsify and Grubhub. Not 
sure if IOS bug or app specific but Grubhub used to have food 
headings that you could quickly jump to via headings in the rotor 
and Newsify had a list of dates articles came out you could jump 
to and all have been broken or gone since IOS 9. Thanks,


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Re: Upgrading to IOS 9?

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
I just asked if she could tell us if Apple had solved some of the 
problems in ios 9.1

I did not ask him what were the bugs that Apple had resolved.
some people really like to complicate things ...
but those same people are not an example to anyone ...


Às 21:03 de 12/10/2015, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Cara is pretty clear about not disclosing beta information to the list and of 
course teasers like the message from Chris that 9.1 Beta is working pretty good 
will prompt people to ask.

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hi.

but you can give us certainty that some bugs have been fixed?
thanks.
cheers.

Às 20:00 de 12/10/2015, chris escreveu:

Hi

I am one of the beta testers of 9.1. All I can say at this point is
it's working pretty good on my iPad Mini 2. I can't say what's been
fixed or not, neither can I say what's new if anything.



On 12/10/2015 11:23, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not on the beta myself, but I've heard the contrary, namely that
there are some fixes to some of the issues reported, so I'll either
give the beta a try myself or wait and see for myself when it comes out.

On 10/12/2015 03:06 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

And in Ios 9.1 which will come up soon, there are no voiceover
related solutions built-in for any reported bugs.
Regards
Davy

2015-10-12 7:32 GMT+02:00, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com>:

Hello,
I also have the email bug. If you have VO on the triple click of
the home button, turn VO off, then back on.

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Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS 9?



IOS 9 has been my worst experience with any version of IOS. I've
been using IOS since IOS 5 on my iPhone 4S. IOS 8 was problematic,
but I considered it's bugs to be mostly inconveniences. With IOS
9, VoiceOver hangs if I answer a call while using my ear buds. I
have to do a hard reset of my iPhone to recover. The only work
around I have so far is to unplug my ear buds before answering a
call. For the first time ever, I've had to give my wife two other
numbers where she can reach me in case I'm having trouble with my
iPhone.

I also have the problem where VoiceOver will hang for close to a
minute every time I reply to an email message.

I know not everyone is seeing these bugs, but sending email from
my iPhone and being able to receive calls are two things I expect
from my smart phone, so these two bugs are particularly
frustrating for me. In hind sight, this is one upgrade I wish I'd
waited on.

On 10/11/2015 03:12 PM, Kim Samco wrote:

Hello,

I took to heart the warning about waiting to upgrade until some
of the bugs are worked out.  Is it "safe" to upgrade now or is it
still at the point of frustration?  Do we know when IOS 9.1 will
be out?

Thanks,

Kim




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Re: Huge VO improvements in iWork apps

[Mário Navarro]

Yes, great work.
congratulations apple!

Now, I just hope to do the same with the bugs in IOS9.
cheers.
Às 21:54 de 15/10/2015, Alex Hall escreveu:

Hello all,
Apple has just dropped updates for iWork apps for iOS and OS X. Among the 
expected iOS9/El Cap improvements, they've included a *lot* of VoiceOver 
features. Read presenter notes in Keynote, manage charts in Pages, get text 
formatting details on iOS, manage comments in shared files on Mac, and more. 
This is great news!
http://9to5mac.com/2015/10/15/iwork-ios-9-os-x-el-capitan/


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Re: Upgrading to IOS 9?

[Mário Navarro]

hi.

but you can give us certainty that some bugs have been fixed?
thanks.
cheers.

Às 20:00 de 12/10/2015, chris escreveu:

Hi

I am one of the beta testers of 9.1. All I can say at this point is 
it's working pretty good on my iPad Mini 2. I can't say what's been 
fixed or not, neither can I say what's new if anything.




On 12/10/2015 11:23, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

I'm not on the beta myself, but I've heard the contrary, namely that
there are some fixes to some of the issues reported, so I'll either give
the beta a try myself or wait and see for myself when it comes out.

On 10/12/2015 03:06 AM, Davy Cuppens wrote:

And in Ios 9.1 which will come up soon, there are no voiceover related
solutions built-in for any reported bugs.
Regards
Davy

2015-10-12 7:32 GMT+02:00, Rajmund :

Hello,
I also have the email bug. If you have VO on the triple click of the
home
button, turn VO off, then back on.

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Chaltain  
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, October 12, 2015 2:10 am
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS 9?




IOS 9 has been my worst experience with any version of IOS. I've been
using IOS since IOS 5 on my iPhone 4S. IOS 8 was problematic, but I
considered it's bugs to be mostly inconveniences. With IOS 9, 
VoiceOver

hangs if I answer a call while using my ear buds. I have to do a hard
reset of my iPhone to recover. The only work around I have so far 
is to

unplug my ear buds before answering a call. For the first time ever,
I've had to give my wife two other numbers where she can reach me in
case I'm having trouble with my iPhone.

I also have the problem where VoiceOver will hang for close to a 
minute

every time I reply to an email message.

I know not everyone is seeing these bugs, but sending email from my
iPhone and being able to receive calls are two things I expect 
from my
smart phone, so these two bugs are particularly frustrating for 
me. In

hind sight, this is one upgrade I wish I'd waited on.

On 10/11/2015 03:12 PM, Kim Samco wrote:

Hello,

I took to heart the warning about waiting to upgrade until some 
of the

bugs are worked out.  Is it "safe" to upgrade now or is it still at
the
point of frustration?  Do we know when IOS 9.1 will be out?

Thanks,

Kim





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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

hi daniel.
yes the button to install does not appear in general software updates.
and yes, I also have done several times in the process beta site program ...
the only problem is the button to install the IOS 9 BETA 1 is not 
visible to the voice over ...
It is all set to install but the option to install is not visible in 
general software updates.
I know that in previous versions of the IOS voice over did not work with 
the option to update the system.

I do not know if still continues to this issue.
thanks.


On 10/07/2015 09:27, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Mario,

Can you explain a little more? What do you mean you can’t install the beta? If 
it’s appearing in software update, search around the screen for the install 
button. If it’s not appearing, then try to reinstall the configuration profile 
again.

On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might be 
going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help further. Take 
care, and good luck.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


my dear friend.
I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings are 
used generally in line before the reset option ...
as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.



On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the address 
right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but someone can chime in 
and help me here. But, you need to go there, and sign up if you haven't done 
this already, and enroll your device or devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone 
or both. Once done, it will bring up something about installing a profile, 
install that and once done, the update will show up in settings general, 
software updates. Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

my dear friend.
 I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings 
are used generally in line before the reset option ...

as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
 I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.


On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:

Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the address 
right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but someone can chime in 
and help me here. But, you need to go there, and sign up if you haven't done 
this already, and enroll your device or devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone 
or both. Once done, it will bring up something about installing a profile, 
install that and once done, the update will show up in settings general, 
software updates. Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the 
voice over can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be 
possible otherwise ...

this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over 
can not do anything because there is nothing to install ...

this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is 
available which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over 
can not see the update to install ...

Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

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hi friend.
I've done that but always tells me that the software that is already 
installed is the latest version 8.4.

I've also tried other ways to itunes, but I can not  get the IOS 9.

when looking for the IOS 9 update on itunes, NVDA always tells me that 
there are no new updates because the later is already installed.

and the latest is 8.4.
thanks.


On 10/07/2015 08:31, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Hi
You should be able to connect to iTunes, click on your iPad which is a button, 
and then press shift-space, not space, on check for updates. I will install the 
beta in my own time as right now I've a friend here to stay for another ten 
days.


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On 10 Jul 2015, at 08:29, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

thanks friend.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 09:23, Tim Emmons wrote:

No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might be 
going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help further. Take 
care, and good luck.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


my dear friend.
I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings are 
used generally in line before the reset option ...
as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.



On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the address 
right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but someone can chime in 
and help me here. But, you need to go there, and sign up if you haven't done 
this already, and enroll your device or devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone 
or both. Once done, it will bring up something about installing a profile, 
install that and once done, the update will show up in settings general, 
software updates. Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

hi friend.
bimgo!
I managed to find the button with exploring touch.
now I'm installing ...
Thank you to everyone who tried to help me.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 11:21, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

As has been said before you can't find it by flicking; you need to
explore the screen until you find the button at which point double
tapping it works.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/10/15, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

when I'm on top of the general option updates software, voice over tells
me that I have an update but when I go to install the update, voice over
can not interact with the button to update ...
I first got the title that says software update, and there the voice
over reads this information, but when advancing with the focus to the
right it would be supposed to find the button to update, voice over says
nothing nor can interact with the update...
Has anyone installed ios 9 beta on an iPad?
It will be a bug voice over on the iPad?
thanks.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 10:48, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Mario,

That’s interesting, because I can see the install button just fine on my
device. I had to search with my finer, not flick in order to find it.
So you’re saying if you go to generalsoftware update, you see the update
to 9.0 beta, but you’re not seeing the install button?


On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi daniel.
yes the button to install does not appear in general software updates.
and yes, I also have done several times in the process beta site program
...
the only problem is the button to install the IOS 9 BETA 1 is not visible
to the voice over ...
It is all set to install but the option to install is not visible in
general software updates.
I know that in previous versions of the IOS voice over did not work with
the option to update the system.
I do not know if still continues to this issue.
thanks.


On 10/07/2015 09:27, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Mario,

Can you explain a little more? What do you mean you can’t install the
beta? If it’s appearing in software update, search around the screen for
the install button. If it’s not appearing, then try to reinstall the
configuration profile again.

On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might
be going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help
further. Take care, and good luck.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
wrote:


my dear friend.
I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the
settings are used generally in line before the reset option ...
as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.



On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the
address right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but
someone can chime in and help me here. But, you need to go there, and
sign up if you haven't done this already, and enroll your device or
devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone or both. Once done, it will
bring up something about installing a profile, install that and once
done, the update will show up in settings general, software updates.
Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the
voice over can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be
possible otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the
iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice
over can not do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is
available which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice
over can not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public
beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

when I'm on top of the general option updates software, voice over tells 
me that I have an update but when I go to install the update, voice over 
can not interact with the button to update ...
I first got the title that says software update, and there the voice 
over reads this information, but when advancing with the focus to the 
right it would be supposed to find the button to update, voice over says 
nothing nor can interact with the update...

Has anyone installed ios 9 beta on an iPad?
It will be a bug voice over on the iPad?
thanks.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 10:48, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Mario,

That’s interesting, because I can see the install button just fine on my 
device. I had to search with my finer, not flick in order to find it.
So you’re saying if you go to generalsoftware update, you see the update to 
9.0 beta, but you’re not seeing the install button?


On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi daniel.
yes the button to install does not appear in general software updates.
and yes, I also have done several times in the process beta site program ...
the only problem is the button to install the IOS 9 BETA 1 is not visible to 
the voice over ...
It is all set to install but the option to install is not visible in general 
software updates.
I know that in previous versions of the IOS voice over did not work with the 
option to update the system.
I do not know if still continues to this issue.
thanks.


On 10/07/2015 09:27, Daniel Miller wrote:

Hi Mario,

Can you explain a little more? What do you mean you can’t install the beta? If 
it’s appearing in software update, search around the screen for the install 
button. If it’s not appearing, then try to reinstall the configuration profile 
again.

On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might be 
going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help further. Take 
care, and good luck.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


my dear friend.
I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings are 
used generally in line before the reset option ...
as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.



On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the address 
right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but someone can chime in 
and help me here. But, you need to go there, and sign up if you haven't done 
this already, and enroll your device or devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone 
or both. Once done, it will bring up something about installing a profile, 
install that and once done, the update will show up in settings general, 
software updates. Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

hi.
thanks,  that was the way to solve the installation process.
problem solved ...
thanks for the tip.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 14:54, Chris Smart wrote:

look, don't swipe, feel around the screen until you encounter the button.

At 06:15 AM 7/10/2015, you wrote:

 when I'm on top of the general option updates software, voice over tells me
 that I have an update but when I go to install the update, voice over can not
 interact with the button to update ...
 I first got the title that says software update, and there the voice over
 reads this information, but when advancing with the focus to the right it
 would be supposed to find the button to update, voice over says nothing nor
 can interact with the update...
 Has anyone installed ios 9 beta on an iPad?
 It will be a bug voice over on the iPad?
 thanks.
 cheers.

 On 10/07/2015 10:48, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hi Mario,

 That’s interesting, because I can see the install button just fine on my
 device. I had to search with my finer, not flick in order to find it.
 So you’re saying if you go to generalsoftware update, you see the update
 to 9.0 beta, but you’re not seeing the install button?

 On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


 hi daniel.
 yes the button to install does not appear in general software updates.
 and yes, I also have done several times in the process beta site program ...
 the only problem is the button to install the IOS 9 BETA 1 is not visible to
 the voice over ...
 It is all set to install but the option to install is not visible in general
 software updates.
 I know that in previous versions of the IOS voice over did not work with the
 option to update the system.
 I do not know if still continues to this issue.
 thanks.


 On 10/07/2015 09:27, Daniel Miller wrote:
 Hi Mario,

 Can you explain a little more? What do you mean you can’t install the
 beta? If it’s appearing in software update, search around the screen for
 the install button. If it’s not appearing, then try to reinstall the
 configuration profile again.
 On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might be
 going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help further.
 Take care, and good luck.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


 my dear friend.
 I already did it all.
 the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings
 are used generally in line before the reset option ...
 as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
 I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
 unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
 if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
 thanks friend.


 On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
 Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the
 address right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but
 someone can chime in and help me here. But, you need to go there, and
 sign up if you haven't done this already, and enroll your device or
 devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone or both. Once done, it will bring
 up something about installing a profile, install that and once done, the
 update will show up in settings general, software updates. Without doing
 that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
wrote:


 hi.
 I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the
 voice over can not activate the software update general updates.
 I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be
 possible otherwise ...
 this is a bug in voice over?
 how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
 the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
 but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over
 can not do anything because there is nothing to install ...
 this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
 in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is
 available which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
 I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice
 over can not see the update to install ...
 Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 
1?
 iPad mini2.


 Some tips?

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Re: update IOS 9 PUBLIC BETA 1

[mário navarro]

thanks.
cheers.

On 10/07/2015 13:07, Peter Logan wrote:

If you drag your finger around you should be able to move focus to the install 
button ...

Also while downloading some of the progress information also has to be located 
the same way.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 5:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi daniel.
yes the button to install does not appear in general software updates.
and yes, I also have done several times in the process beta site program ...
the only problem is the button to install the IOS 9 BETA 1 is not visible to 
the voice over ...
It is all set to install but the option to install is not visible in general 
software updates.
I know that in previous versions of the IOS voice over did not work with the 
option to update the system.
I do not know if still continues to this issue.
thanks.



On 10/07/2015 09:27, Daniel Miller wrote:
Hi Mario,

Can you explain a little more? What do you mean you can’t install the beta? If 
it’s appearing in software update, search around the screen for the install 
button. If it’s not appearing, then try to reinstall the configuration profile 
again.

On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:23 AM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:

No sir, you do not have to pay anything, it's free. Not sure what might be 
going on here since you've done everything. Sorry, I can't help further. Take 
care, and good luck.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 3:16 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


my dear friend.
I already did it all.
the configuration profile of the installation is already in the settings are 
used generally in line before the reset option ...
as I already tell you before, I have done everything.
I just  can not only install the beta 1, IOS9.
unless I have to pay to install the beta 1.
if it is required to pay, I'll quit.
thanks friend.



On 10/07/2015 09:03, Tim Emmons wrote:
Mario, you need to go to the Apple Beta Program. I can't remember the address 
right off the top of my head, at three in the morning, but someone can chime in 
and help me here. But, you need to go there, and sign up if you haven't done 
this already, and enroll your device or devices, whether it be an Ipad, iPhone 
or both. Once done, it will bring up something about installing a profile, 
install that and once done, the update will show up in settings general, 
software updates. Without doing that it won't work. Hope this helps. Take care.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 10, 2015, at 2:29 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
I have to update IOS 9 public beta 1 to install on my iPad, but the voice over 
can not activate the software update general updates.
I've tried other ways to install the IOS 9 but does not seem to be possible 
otherwise ...
this is a bug in voice over?
how do I install the IOS 9 BETA 1 on iPad
the IOS file 9 PUBLIC BETA 1 has already been transferred to the iPad.
but the settings are used for general software updates, the voice over can not 
do anything because there is nothing to install ...
this is a bug in the voice over, or what's going on here?
in general software updates, the voice over says that an update is available 
which is the IOS 9 beta 1 but can not install.
I have everything  ready to install the public beta 1 but the voice over can 
not see the update to install ...
Someone explain to me what I do to be able to install the public beta 1?
iPad mini2.


Some tips?

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Re: tunein radio

[Mário Navarro]

Same problem here.
cheers.
Às 23:54 de 03/09/2015, Blind Treasures escreveu:


Same problem here! You have to explore the screen to find your 
selections. Then click on it.


"I'd rather be infected with love for the tiniest sliver of a second 
than live a hundred years smothered by a lie."--Lena Haloway


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Re: problem resetting account information

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
the same happens to me.
I do not know what else I have to do.
all my account information are correct.
cheers.

Às 23:23 de 13/09/2015, Vicki escreveu:

Hi Mark,

Thank you. I have done everything you suggested and all of the fields 
seem to be filled out. The information appears to be in the correct 
edit fields, first name, last name, street address, city, state, zip, 
credit card number, expiration month and year, phone number (including 
area code) and also the security code for the credit card. There are 
previous, next and done buttons as well. I can't imagine what else 
could be missing.


I haven't tried this yet, but is it possible to do all of this on the 
computer by signing into ITunes or do I have to do it on my phone?


Thank you again.

Vicki

- Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: problem resetting account information


Hello Vicky,

Generally speaking, there are two methods to using a Smartphone screen 
reader.  The primary method, more by culture than by anything else, is 
based on swiping from either left to right or right to left in order 
to place focus on the various elements of the display.


In the early days of iPHone, this was the surest method to make 
certain that the user did not skip or accidentally bypass important 
information on the screen.


The second method, used primarily by Android Smartphone owners, as a 
result of technology rather than culture, is referred to as 
explore-by-touch.  This method requires that the user slide her/his 
finger around the screen in order to detect the various elements being 
displayed.


For whatever reason, the swipe method sometimes skips items in iOS in 
the currently released version of the system.  As a result, if one 
uses only the swipe method, he/she may unknowingly skip over important 
information.


To deliberately experience this for yourself, do the following:

1.

From the LaunchPad, single-finger double-tap the Settings icon.


2.
Now, simply single-finger swipe from left to right as many times as 
you like to go down the list of items.  Take note of what you hear.  I 
suggest that you swipe at least 12 times or so,


3.
Next, single-finger swipe from right to left in order to reverse your 
direction, moving up the list.  Chances are, you will hear more items 
than you did in the first instance.  Some items that are commonly 
skipped, when going down the list are FaceTime, Messages, and Notes.


Vicky, I write all of this to say that I suspect that the reason you 
are not entering all of the required information is because, using the 
swipe method, focus is skipping a required field that must be 
addressed before successfully completing the submission process.  For 
example, if you are entering a new credit card, then the 3-digit 
security code field may be being skipped by VoiceOver, again, using 
the swipe method only.


So, try using a combination of both the swipe and the explore-by-touch 
method when entering information.


Good Luck,

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Vicki

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:29 AM
To: IPhone
Subject: problem resetting account information

I need to make a purchase in the app store, and because my account 
information has changed at my bank, I need to reset the information. 
Everything seems to be enter correctly, but I keep getting a message 
that some required information is missing and it is highlighted in 
red. So I try again and finally after so many tries, my session timed 
out.


Before I try again, is there any great secret to resetting the 
information?


Thanks.

Vicki



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Re: tunein radio

[Mário Navarro]

Same problem here.
iPad mini2.
cheers.

Às 16:53 de 04/09/2015, Dean Martineau escreveu:

I haven't tried it on an iPad, but in the phone version of the pro version, to 
get a search, you have to tap Enter Car Mode.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 11:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: tunein radio

I tried tune in radio last night on my iPad mini for the first time since 
upgrading. What a horrible experience. I have various recommended stations on 
the home screen of the app. But there's no search, and there's no way to clear 
anything out. This is really a disaster. I am using an account, logged in. Is 
anyone else having any success with the iPad interface?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 4, 2015, at 7:44 AM, jazzyjennifer  wrote:

yeah i ment Recents sorry about that,


On 9/4/2015 9:38 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
By "history" do you mean "Recents?"
The clear button is in the upper right-hand corner.
Works fine for me.
Richard

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Behalf Of jazzyjennifer
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 6:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: tunein radio

yeah, and i cant clear history in tunein radio, cant find the clear
history button, i even tryed going to each item, thats in my history
and swiping up to see if i can find a delete button, and no go.


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Re: problem resetting account information

[Mário Navarro]

no, friend.
just completed button.
or agree.
then always comes the message that the account data is not valid.
cheers.

Às 14:05 de 14/09/2015, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:

It's possible that their may be a check mark to agree to the terms of
the store. Just a guess since I haven't done this for a while.

On 9/14/15, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:


hi.
the same happens to me.
I do not know what else I have to do.
all my account information are correct.
cheers.

Às 23:23 de 13/09/2015, Vicki escreveu:

Hi Mark,

Thank you. I have done everything you suggested and all of the fields
seem to be filled out. The information appears to be in the correct
edit fields, first name, last name, street address, city, state, zip,
credit card number, expiration month and year, phone number (including
area code) and also the security code for the credit card. There are
previous, next and done buttons as well. I can't imagine what else
could be missing.

I haven't tried this yet, but is it possible to do all of this on the
computer by signing into ITunes or do I have to do it on my phone?

Thank you again.

Vicki

- Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: problem resetting account information


Hello Vicky,

Generally speaking, there are two methods to using a Smartphone screen
reader.  The primary method, more by culture than by anything else, is
based on swiping from either left to right or right to left in order
to place focus on the various elements of the display.

In the early days of iPHone, this was the surest method to make
certain that the user did not skip or accidentally bypass important
information on the screen.

The second method, used primarily by Android Smartphone owners, as a
result of technology rather than culture, is referred to as
explore-by-touch.  This method requires that the user slide her/his
finger around the screen in order to detect the various elements being
displayed.

For whatever reason, the swipe method sometimes skips items in iOS in
the currently released version of the system.  As a result, if one
uses only the swipe method, he/she may unknowingly skip over important
information.

To deliberately experience this for yourself, do the following:

1.

 From the LaunchPad, single-finger double-tap the Settings icon.

2.
Now, simply single-finger swipe from left to right as many times as
you like to go down the list of items.  Take note of what you hear.  I
suggest that you swipe at least 12 times or so,

3.
Next, single-finger swipe from right to left in order to reverse your
direction, moving up the list.  Chances are, you will hear more items
than you did in the first instance.  Some items that are commonly
skipped, when going down the list are FaceTime, Messages, and Notes.

Vicky, I write all of this to say that I suspect that the reason you
are not entering all of the required information is because, using the
swipe method, focus is skipping a required field that must be
addressed before successfully completing the submission process.  For
example, if you are entering a new credit card, then the 3-digit
security code field may be being skipped by VoiceOver, again, using
the swipe method only.

So, try using a combination of both the swipe and the explore-by-touch
method when entering information.

Good Luck,

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:29 AM
To: IPhone
Subject: problem resetting account information

I need to make a purchase in the app store, and because my account
information has changed at my bank, I need to reset the information.
Everything seems to be enter correctly, but I keep getting a message
that some required information is missing and it is highlighted in
red. So I try again and finally after so many tries, my session timed
out.

Before I try again, is there any great secret to resetting the
information?

Thanks.

Vicki


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Re: problem resetting account information

[Mário Navarro]

I've also done the same process by itunes.
the answer is the same.
the payment methods you entered is invalid.
we all know the problems we have with the apple of safety rules.
cheers.
cheers.

Às 14:05 de 14/09/2015, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:

It's possible that their may be a check mark to agree to the terms of
the store. Just a guess since I haven't done this for a while.

On 9/14/15, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:


hi.
the same happens to me.
I do not know what else I have to do.
all my account information are correct.
cheers.

Às 23:23 de 13/09/2015, Vicki escreveu:

Hi Mark,

Thank you. I have done everything you suggested and all of the fields
seem to be filled out. The information appears to be in the correct
edit fields, first name, last name, street address, city, state, zip,
credit card number, expiration month and year, phone number (including
area code) and also the security code for the credit card. There are
previous, next and done buttons as well. I can't imagine what else
could be missing.

I haven't tried this yet, but is it possible to do all of this on the
computer by signing into ITunes or do I have to do it on my phone?

Thank you again.

Vicki

- Original Message - From: "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: problem resetting account information


Hello Vicky,

Generally speaking, there are two methods to using a Smartphone screen
reader.  The primary method, more by culture than by anything else, is
based on swiping from either left to right or right to left in order
to place focus on the various elements of the display.

In the early days of iPHone, this was the surest method to make
certain that the user did not skip or accidentally bypass important
information on the screen.

The second method, used primarily by Android Smartphone owners, as a
result of technology rather than culture, is referred to as
explore-by-touch.  This method requires that the user slide her/his
finger around the screen in order to detect the various elements being
displayed.

For whatever reason, the swipe method sometimes skips items in iOS in
the currently released version of the system.  As a result, if one
uses only the swipe method, he/she may unknowingly skip over important
information.

To deliberately experience this for yourself, do the following:

1.

 From the LaunchPad, single-finger double-tap the Settings icon.

2.
Now, simply single-finger swipe from left to right as many times as
you like to go down the list of items.  Take note of what you hear.  I
suggest that you swipe at least 12 times or so,

3.
Next, single-finger swipe from right to left in order to reverse your
direction, moving up the list.  Chances are, you will hear more items
than you did in the first instance.  Some items that are commonly
skipped, when going down the list are FaceTime, Messages, and Notes.

Vicky, I write all of this to say that I suspect that the reason you
are not entering all of the required information is because, using the
swipe method, focus is skipping a required field that must be
addressed before successfully completing the submission process.  For
example, if you are entering a new credit card, then the 3-digit
security code field may be being skipped by VoiceOver, again, using
the swipe method only.

So, try using a combination of both the swipe and the explore-by-touch
method when entering information.

Good Luck,

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Vicki
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 3:29 AM
To: IPhone
Subject: problem resetting account information

I need to make a purchase in the app store, and because my account
information has changed at my bank, I need to reset the information.
Everything seems to be enter correctly, but I keep getting a message
that some required information is missing and it is highlighted in
red. So I try again and finally after so many tries, my session timed
out.

Before I try again, is there any great secret to resetting the
information?

Thanks.

Vicki


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Re: Possible focus bug

[Mário Navarro]

Yes it's true.
It also happens to me on my iPad 2.
cheers.

Às 15:46 de 09/12/2015, Devin Prater escreveu:

I've not seen this, but tell apple about it, at:
accessibil...@apple.com 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 9:17 AM Chris Chaffin > wrote:


When I hit the home button to go to my home screen, it seems that
voice over loses focus.  It has been putting my focus on the
status bar.  I have to touch the home screen to actually put focus
back on the home screen.
I am new to ios 9, so is this an old ,ug, or maybe a new one?

I am running ios 9.2 on an iphone 6.
I have tried to restart voice over, and even restart my phone, but
it is still doing it.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Chris

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Re: Possible focus bug

[Mário Navarro]

hi friend,
Yes it's true.
It also happens to me on my iPad 2.
cheers.

Às 15:17 de 09/12/2015, Chris Chaffin escreveu:

When I hit the home button to go to my home screen, it seems that voice over 
loses focus.  It has been putting my focus on the status bar.  I have to touch 
the home screen to actually put focus back on the home screen.
I am new to ios 9, so is this an old ,ug, or maybe a new one?

I am running ios 9.2 on an iphone 6.
I have tried to restart voice over, and even restart my phone, but it is still 
doing it.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Chris



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Re: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.

[Mário Navarro]

wow my friend, very good news you give me.
man, voice over works in the jailbreak process! Wow.
I was thinking that the process would be easier with screen readers in 
the windows ...
and the voice over would not be available in the jailbreak process on 
the iPhone.

cydia very accessible with voice over?... wow!

thanks my good friend, very good news...

now I'm going to jailbreak my iPhone 4S to get faster, because I go 
delete   some of the native iOS apps.

so I get more storage space and the system will become lighter. ...
thanks friend.
cheers.


Às 10:36 de 02/01/2016, Rami escreveu:

If you are not very familiar with the OCR function of your screen reader, then 
most likely you will need a sited assistant to help you completing the 
jailbreak process. Voiceover can be used to enable airplane mode and allow 
camera access during the process, but the computer interface window is not 
accessible.
Once you're jailbroken, many things will be available at your hands. Cydia 
store is 100% voiceover friendly as well as many tweeks and apps there.
Best regards

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Subject: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.




hi all.
any of you jailbreak iPhone with pangu 1.0.1 for iOS 9.0.2?
if so, can you tell me if the pangu for windows is accessible to Windows screen 
readers, and the cydia app is accessible to the voice over on the iPhone?
how were now these two apps in terms of accessibility in pangu to IOS 9.0.2?
They are accessible or not?
for those who do not know in the middle of the  process to jailbreak, there are 
two steps that have to be made in the iPhone.
1. unlock the iPhone and mark the airplane  network.
2.  and then the next step we have two more options:
pangu and www.dc.
something like that...
here we have to choose the option pangu and then allow photos or camera.
the question is:
the voice over can be available in the jailbreak process to operate these two 
steps on the iPhone?
it is possible the voice over complete these two steps in the process to 
finalize the jailbreak, or has to be done with someone who has vision?
Someone please get me out these doubts.
thank you all.
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Re: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.

[Mário Navarro]

yes, pangu 1.0.1 jailbreaks iOS 9.0.1 and 9.0.2,
I think you have to do the process always from itunes.
yes it is legal ...

cheers.

Às 14:05 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
I hope that this is like, not, illegal. Is there a 9.2 jailbreak? And can you 
jailbreak and, unjailbreak using only the iOS device? Many thanks!



Sent from an iPad


On 2 Jan 2016, at 1:47 pm, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:



wow my friend, very good news you give me.
man, voice over works in the jailbreak process! Wow.
I was thinking that the process would be easier with screen readers in the 
windows ...
and the voice over would not be available in the jailbreak process on the 
iPhone.
cydia very accessible with voice over?... wow!

thanks my good friend, very good news...

now I'm going to jailbreak my iPhone 4S to get faster, because I go delete   
some of the native iOS apps.
so I get more storage space and the system will become lighter. ...
thanks friend.
cheers.


Às 10:36 de 02/01/2016, Rami escreveu:

If you are not very familiar with the OCR function of your screen reader, then 
most likely you will need a sited assistant to help you completing the 
jailbreak process. Voiceover can be used to enable airplane mode and allow 
camera access during the process, but the computer interface window is not 
accessible.
Once you're jailbroken, many things will be available at your hands. Cydia 
store is 100% voiceover friendly as well as many tweeks and apps there.
Best regards

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Subject: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.




hi all.
any of you jailbreak iPhone with pangu 1.0.1 for iOS 9.0.2?
if so, can you tell me if the pangu for windows is accessible to Windows screen 
readers, and the cydia app is accessible to the voice over on the iPhone?
how were now these two apps in terms of accessibility in pangu to IOS 9.0.2?
They are accessible or not?
for those who do not know in the middle of the  process to jailbreak, there are 
two steps that have to be made in the iPhone.
1. unlock the iPhone and mark the airplane  network.
2.  and then the next step we have two more options:
pangu and www.dc.
something like that...
here we have to choose the option pangu and then allow photos or camera.
the question is:
the voice over can be available in the jailbreak process to operate these two 
steps on the iPhone?
it is possible the voice over complete these two steps in the process to 
finalize the jailbreak, or has to be done with someone who has vision?
Someone please get me out these doubts.
thank you all.
cheers.

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doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.

[Mário Navarro]

hi all.
any of you jailbreak iPhone with pangu 1.0.1 for iOS 9.0.2?
if so, can you tell me if the pangu for windows is accessible to Windows 
screen readers, and the cydia app is accessible to the voice over on the 
iPhone?

how were now these two apps in terms of accessibility in pangu to IOS 9.0.2?
They are accessible or not?
for those who do not know in the middle of the  process to jailbreak, 
there are two steps that have to be made in the iPhone.

1. unlock the iPhone and mark the airplane  network.
2.  and then the next step we have two more options:
pangu and www.dc.
something like that...
here we have to choose the option pangu and then allow photos or camera.
the question is:
the voice over can be available in the jailbreak process to operate 
these two steps on the iPhone?
it is possible the voice over complete these two steps in the process to 
finalize the jailbreak, or has to be done with someone who has vision?

Someone please get me out these doubts.
thank you all.
cheers.

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Re: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.

[Mário Navarro]

sorry, I do not know the answers to these doubts.
cheers.
Às 14:30 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Can you jailbreak 9.2 build 13C75, though? And can cydia not do it for me? The 
jailbreak, that is.



Sent from an iPad


On 2 Jan 2016, at 2:18 pm, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




yes, pangu 1.0.1 jailbreaks iOS 9.0.1 and 9.0.2,
I think you have to do the process always from itunes.
yes it is legal ...

cheers.

Às 14:05 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
I hope that this is like, not, illegal. Is there a 9.2 jailbreak? And can you 
jailbreak and, unjailbreak using only the iOS device? Many thanks!



Sent from an iPad


On 2 Jan 2016, at 1:47 pm, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:



wow my friend, very good news you give me.
man, voice over works in the jailbreak process! Wow.
I was thinking that the process would be easier with screen readers in the 
windows ...
and the voice over would not be available in the jailbreak process on the 
iPhone.
cydia very accessible with voice over?... wow!

thanks my good friend, very good news...

now I'm going to jailbreak my iPhone 4S to get faster, because I go delete   
some of the native iOS apps.
so I get more storage space and the system will become lighter. ...
thanks friend.
cheers.


Às 10:36 de 02/01/2016, Rami escreveu:

If you are not very familiar with the OCR function of your screen reader, then 
most likely you will need a sited assistant to help you completing the 
jailbreak process. Voiceover can be used to enable airplane mode and allow 
camera access during the process, but the computer interface window is not 
accessible.
Once you're jailbroken, many things will be available at your hands. Cydia 
store is 100% voiceover friendly as well as many tweeks and apps there.
Best regards

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Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 12:05 PM
To: iphone group <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.




hi all.
any of you jailbreak iPhone with pangu 1.0.1 for iOS 9.0.2?
if so, can you tell me if the pangu for windows is accessible to Windows screen 
readers, and the cydia app is accessible to the voice over on the iPhone?
how were now these two apps in terms of accessibility in pangu to IOS 9.0.2?
They are accessible or not?
for those who do not know in the middle of the  process to jailbreak, there are 
two steps that have to be made in the iPhone.
1. unlock the iPhone and mark the airplane  network.
2.  and then the next step we have two more options:
pangu and www.dc.
something like that...
here we have to choose the option pangu and then allow photos or camera.
the question is:
the voice over can be available in the jailbreak process to operate these two 
steps on the iPhone?
it is possible the voice over complete these two steps in the process to 
finalize the jailbreak, or has to be done with someone who has vision?
Someone please get me out these doubts.
thank you all.
cheers.

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Re: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.

[Mário Navarro]

get  it:

http://www.redmondpie.com/download-pangu-9-ios-9-9.0.2-jailbreak-for-iphone-6s-plus-6-5s-ipad-and-more/

cheers.

Às 15:55 de 02/01/2016, Walter Harper escreveu:

Where can I download the software to jailbreak?
Walter

On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:



sorry, I do not know the answers to these doubts.
cheers.
Às 14:30 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Can you jailbreak 9.2 build 13C75, though? And can cydia not do it for me? The 
jailbreak, that is.



Sent from an iPad


On 2 Jan 2016, at 2:18 pm, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




yes, pangu 1.0.1 jailbreaks iOS 9.0.1 and 9.0.2,
I think you have to do the process always from itunes.
yes it is legal ...

cheers.

Às 14:05 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
I hope that this is like, not, illegal. Is there a 9.2 jailbreak? And can you 
jailbreak and, unjailbreak using only the iOS device? Many thanks!



Sent from an iPad


On 2 Jan 2016, at 1:47 pm, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:



wow my friend, very good news you give me.
man, voice over works in the jailbreak process! Wow.
I was thinking that the process would be easier with screen readers in the 
windows ...
and the voice over would not be available in the jailbreak process on the 
iPhone.
cydia very accessible with voice over?... wow!

thanks my good friend, very good news...

now I'm going to jailbreak my iPhone 4S to get faster, because I go delete   
some of the native iOS apps.
so I get more storage space and the system will become lighter. ...
thanks friend.
cheers.


Às 10:36 de 02/01/2016, Rami escreveu:

If you are not very familiar with the OCR function of your screen reader, then 
most likely you will need a sited assistant to help you completing the 
jailbreak process. Voiceover can be used to enable airplane mode and allow 
camera access during the process, but the computer interface window is not 
accessible.
Once you're jailbroken, many things will be available at your hands. Cydia 
store is 100% voiceover friendly as well as many tweeks and apps there.
Best regards

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Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2016 12:05 PM
To: iphone group <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: doubts about pangu jailbreak 1.0.1 iOS 9.0.2. please help.




hi all.
any of you jailbreak iPhone with pangu 1.0.1 for iOS 9.0.2?
if so, can you tell me if the pangu for windows is accessible to Windows screen 
readers, and the cydia app is accessible to the voice over on the iPhone?
how were now these two apps in terms of accessibility in pangu to IOS 9.0.2?
They are accessible or not?
for those who do not know in the middle of the  process to jailbreak, there are 
two steps that have to be made in the iPhone.
1. unlock the iPhone and mark the airplane  network.
2.  and then the next step we have two more options:
pangu and www.dc.
something like that...
here we have to choose the option pangu and then allow photos or camera.
the question is:
the voice over can be available in the jailbreak process to operate these two 
steps on the iPhone?
it is possible the voice over complete these two steps in the process to 
finalize the jailbreak, or has to be done with someone who has vision?
Someone please get me out these doubts.
thank you all.
cheers.

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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
this is a bug.
bug on voice over in IOS 9.
cheers.


Às 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:



Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few 
days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification 
bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried 
poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it 
might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.


Thanks,

Dan




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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
on my iPad mini 2, this bug is also real.
 happens all the time ...
cheers.

Às 17:36 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
Its not happening with the iPad, though.

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Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue




hi.
this is a bug.
bug on voice over in IOS 9.
cheers.


as 16:37 de 02/01/2016, Dan Rathburn escreveu:


Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few
days, whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification
bar at the top of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried
poking around in settings but can't find anything that sounds like it
might relate to the issue. Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan



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Re: two bugs I have encountered

[Mário Navarro]

me to.
cheers.

Às 02:36 de 03/01/2016, Shermeen Khan escreveu:

Hi everyone,

I'll try to keep this brief.
1. The focus issue. I know that people have noticed this in many
contexts, but I am specifically wondering if people have noticed it in
the "for you" section of apple music. You'll be swiping right through
the options, when suddenly it'll throw you back to the left a few
spots, and you'll end up swiping through the same cycle of
suggestions. Is it just me?

2. This is one some of my friends don't seem to have. When
touch-typing a message, and particularly if I haven't located and
intentionally pressed the first letter of a word, I'll finish typing
my approximation of a word, hit space, and then just hear the last
letter being announced, but not the entire word. So for instance, if I
am hoping to write the word "breaking", and don't start by locating
the letter b, but start approximately where I think B will be and hten
guessing at the rest of the word and then hit space, I'll often hear
"g" instead of the word. If, however, I intentionally locate the
letter b, select it, and then free-type/guess the remaining letters,
this doesn't typically happen. For the record, I'm using touch-typing,
and ios 9.1 on an iPhone 6s+.

Thanks!

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Re: two bugs I have encountered

[Mário Navarro]

yes, me to.
cheers.

Às 04:09 de 03/01/2016, Paul Richard McGann escreveu:

yes, to both.

I did notice the behavior. I don't believe it is brialle display 
issue, as I have otice how it is acting. when I am on app switcher, I 
would close apps, but reaidng apps still on nd I have to hit chord-a 
to move back. sometimes wheni text, I notice behaving and also I 
notice some weird actions when I am at home. sometimes iphone locks 
itself without anyreasons. I have apple accessibility reding right  
now. wink!


I am borrowing terrie's my thoughts for today.




-Original Message- From: Jennie Facer
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 10:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: two bugs I have encountered

I notice the second bug when the auto correct is doing its job, but it 
does say the word I want before I press space bar.


Jenn and Kumi

Sent from Jenn's iPad


On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Shermeen Khan  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'll try to keep this brief.
1. The focus issue. I know that people have noticed this in many
contexts, but I am specifically wondering if people have noticed it in
the "for you" section of apple music. You'll be swiping right through
the options, when suddenly it'll throw you back to the left a few
spots, and you'll end up swiping through the same cycle of
suggestions. Is it just me?

2. This is one some of my friends don't seem to have. When
touch-typing a message, and particularly if I haven't located and
intentionally pressed the first letter of a word, I'll finish typing
my approximation of a word, hit space, and then just hear the last
letter being announced, but not the entire word. So for instance, if I
am hoping to write the word "breaking", and don't start by locating
the letter b, but start approximately where I think B will be and hten
guessing at the rest of the word and then hit space, I'll often hear
"g" instead of the word. If, however, I intentionally locate the
letter b, select it, and then free-type/guess the remaining letters,
this doesn't typically happen. For the record, I'm using touch-typing,
and ios 9.1 on an iPhone 6s+.

Thanks!

Shermeen

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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

yes it's true ...
It happens all the time ...
cheers.

Às 01:21 de 03/01/2016, Simon Fogarty escreveu:

Yeah I get the same thing with my 6s+,

Everytime I close an app it sends focus to the status bar, I've just gotten use 
to it and do a 2 finger swipe up to get rid of things.

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Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the top 
of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in settings 
but can't find anything that sounds like it might relate to the issue.  
Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan
  


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Re: IOS Focus Issue

[Mário Navarro]

 in my mini 2 happens all the time.

cheers.

Às 21:07 de 02/01/2016, Rajmund escreveu:

Hello,
As mentioned before, but I'll add it again, no issues on an iPad air 1, either.

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Date: Saturday, January 2, 2016 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: IOS Focus Issue



My situation is like Chris's. No problems on an iPad mini or an iPhone 6s.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 2, 2016, at 11:18 AM, christopher hallsworth  
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No such problem here on my iPhone 5s, iPad Mini 2 and iPod Touch 6th generation 
all running iOS 9.2.

On 2 Jan 2016, at 16:37, Dan Rathburn  wrote:



Hello,

I have a 6-Plus with the latest IOS update.  Just in the last few days, 
whenever I close an app Voiceover focus is on the notification bar at the top 
of thescreen instead of the main screen.  I've tried poking around in settings 
but can't find anything that sounds like it might relate to the issue.  
Suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks,

Dan

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vibration on iphone 4S.

[Mário Navarro]

hi folks.
I have a little problem with the vibration on my iPhone 4S.
the vibration is not working when I turn on and turn off my iphone.
in all other vibration settings everything works well.
I already have enabled the vibration on accessibility, but still does 
not vibrate on turn on, and turn off.


Someone can indicate the right way to make  the vibration signal work?

thank you all.
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Re: vibration on iphone 4S.

[Mário Navarro]

hi Anna.

you have absolutely right.
that's what is happening.
only vibrates when connected to power.
thanks

cheers.

Às 17:04 de 28/12/2015, Woody Anna Dresner escreveu:

Hi,

The phone doesn't vibrate when you are turning it off. It does vibrate while 
it's booting up, but only if it's connected to power.

Best,
Anna




On Dec 28, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:

hi folks.
I have a little problem with the vibration on my iPhone 4S.
the vibration is not working when I turn on and turn off my iphone.
in all other vibration settings everything works well.
I already have enabled the vibration on accessibility, but still does not 
vibrate on turn on, and turn off.

Someone can indicate the right way to make  the vibration signal work?

thank you all.
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Re: vibration on iphone 4S.

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
yes, now I get it.
thanks friend.
cheers.

Às 17:03 de 28/12/2015, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Mario,

The only time you will feel a vibration is if you power the phone on when it is 
plugged in. There is no vibration if you turn the phone off and there is also 
no vibration when the phone boots up on battery power. Voiceover will, however, 
speak when the phone powers up so you'll know when it's ready to go.

Regards,
Sieghard



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Subject: vibration on iphone 4S.

hi folks.
I have a little problem with the vibration on my iPhone 4S.
the vibration is not working when I turn on and turn off my iphone.
in all other vibration settings everything works well.
I already have enabled the vibration on accessibility, but still does not 
vibrate on turn on, and turn off.

Someone can indicate the right way to make  the vibration signal work?

thank you all.
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

[Mário Navarro]

Hi Jonathan.
you can allow me to send your wish list for apple accessibility?
It would be very important that apple consider your list.

congratulations Jonathan.
cheers.

Às 23:15 de 02/06/2016, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's 
WWDC conference, highlighting my top 10 wish list for the next version 
of iOS. Feel free to take a read, and share your own wishes in the 
comments to the blog post.

http://mosen.org/the-top-10-things-id-like-in-ios-10/
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Re: The Top 10 Things I'd like in iOS 10

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sorry, I meant Your annual  blog post.
cheers.
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Hi everyone. Here's my annual blog post that I write ahead of Apple's 
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apple wwc 2016 accessibility

[Mário Navarro]

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/202/

Emviado do meu iPhone

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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[mário navarro]

Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...

iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well ...
I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss anything ...
just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some bugs. so 
would be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for accessibility.

I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
I really like this phone and I will use until he die.

long life to iphone 4S!
cheers.

On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 
from my employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it 
makes my 4S unusable. Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 
or anything.


On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:

Hi,
It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend wanted me
to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought
it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

[mário navarro]

yes friend. that's right.
when my iphone 4S die, I will buy one 5SE.
for now I use my iPad Mini2 with more power.
A7 processor.
the same as the iPhone 5S.
thanks.
cheers.

On 23/06/2016 13:52, christopher hallsworth wrote:

Yeah, good phone, and I say enjoy the moment while it lasts, because it sure 
won’t come back. I personally like my 5s and my next phone will be the SE, kind 
of already decided on that as personally prefer the smaller phones than say the 
6, 6+ and later. I still have a 4s though, although deactivated it can still be 
used on wi-fi, like an iPod Touch 5th Generation in this case. Speaking of 
which, I have the 6th generation and like that too. Long live the iOS devices, 
I say.

On 23 Jun 2016, at 12:11, mário navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Yes, I still love my iPhone 4S and i will not buy other...

iPhone 4S still runs very well IOS 9 and for me serves me well ...
I know that I can no longer use the IOS 10, but I not miss anything ...
just hope apple now in the final updates in IOS 9 fixed   some bugs. so would 
be with IOS 9 more stable than it is for accessibility.
I would not sell my iPhone 4S to buy 5.
I really like this phone and I will use until he die.

long life to iphone 4S!
cheers.

On 22/06/2016 04:39, Christopher Chaltain wrote:

Well, I still find my 4S quite usable with IOS 9. I have a iPhone 5 from my 
employer, which is faster, but not so much faster that it makes my 4S unusable. 
Of course, I'm not comparing it to an iPhone 6 or anything.

On 21/06/16 10:55, rajmund wrote:

Hi,
It really is slow, even considering it against a 5S.  A friend wanted me
to help.  When I set it up as new, and turned on VO, at first, I thought
it wasn't going to turn on.  VO, that is.

Sent from a BrailleNote

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From: "'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone" <viphone@googlegroups.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 16:47:49 +0100
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

My 4S is still going.  I used it as my primary phone for more than three
years and still use it for music, now and again, and play around with
apps sometimes.  It's quite slow now, bearing in mind I have a 6S, but
its battery hasn't given up yet.


Carol P



On 20/06/2016 15:54, rajmund wrote:
Hi,
I heard  roomers that it can be done with the 4S, but not with later
model.

Sent from a BrailleNote

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Date sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 13:47:42 +
Subject: RE: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

I think it's more the experience Apple wants users to have. Yes, they
could probably disable features the 4S may have problems with like,
for example, the face and object recognition on pictures.  They said
that iOS does 11 Billion computations on a single picture and it is
all done on device so it's not that powerful servers in the cloud do
the work and just provide the results back to the device.  But I guess
if many of the new and advanced features of iOS 10 would be disabled
on a 4S there may just not be that much reason to support it.
Considering that the 4S is now 5 years old, I also assume that as a
percentage of iPhones out there not that many of them are 4S phones
any more.  Anyhow, I guess Apple has to draw the line somewhere, if
they support the 4S others may say then why not support the 4. I
actually think it's amazing they have supported the 4S for this long,
the 4S came with iOS 5 so it was able to run 4 more versions of iOS
after the one it came out with, show me another mobile phone that had
this kind of support.  Anyhow, iOS 9 is pretty good and people who
still have a 4S that runs good can still run it with iOS 9 for years
to come I assume although they may have to replace the battery since I
doubt that a 4S that was bought in 2011 still holds a charge for that
long.  I have a friend who bought a 3GS in 2009 and he used it until
he bought a 5S in 2013, so for 4 years, and while he of course wanted
the newer faster phone, he also said that he only got a few hours of
use out of the phone at that point.  A friend in Germany said her son
just bought a fairly inexpensive battery kit which came with the
special screwdriver which iks required to open the iPhone and
instructions and he would able to replace the battery on his iPhone
(can't remember the model) himself, but I would say most people can't
or would not do this.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 11:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 10-- what's new in accessibility ?

I'm not sure who does do artificial deprecation of hardware, but I am
a bit disappointed that my 4S may no longer be supported.  I'm not
sure if there's something in the 4S that Apple no longer wants to code
suppor

Re: Talking goggles

[Mário Navarro]

works fine to on my iPhone 4S.
cheers.

Às 12:43 de 08/01/2016, Anne Robertson escreveu:

Hello Annie,

Talking Goggles, the paid version, is still working fine on my iPhone5 running 
the latest iOS. I wonder if anyone is managing to use it with an iPhone5S or 
later.

Cheers,

Anne




On 8 Jan 2016, at 08:40, Annie Skov Nielsen  wrote:

Hi all.

I can not get talking goggles to work anymore, I really miss this app. I like 
the video mode very much, because it recognizes the text on the fly, and it is 
great when you are reading shampoo and stuff like that. I have just tried 
again, but it will not work with my 6s Plus.

Best regards Annie.


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apple report: please help to report.

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hi all.
I write to you to announce that I have just now finish to  report to 
Apple a VO bug on safari.

This bug is:
pickers popup items selection.

This bug has already been identified a long time.

Please contribute all to report this bug to Apple.

This bug has been around for a long time and it's time to get rid of it ...
Please contribute all to put an end to this issue.

thank you all.
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Re: apple report: please help to report.

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hi.


This bug affects the selection of items in pickers popups display.

for now, it is only more active in safari.
this issue has already been reported by several people in applevis, but 
not all have found this bug active at all sites and in all devices.


enter this link and do your tests.

http://forum.audiogames.net/


in this site at the bottom, there is a popup picker selector items with 
the following options:

general games, new releases room, developers room, off topic room, and more.

do your tests, and draw your conclusions.
and if this bug has active in your devices, please report to apple.
thank you all.

cheers.

Às 04:58 de 17/01/2016, Kevin Chao escreveu:

What's the bug? More details and repro steps, please. Thanks!
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 10:53 AM Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com 
<mailto:mario@gmail.com>> wrote:




hi all.
I write to you to announce that I have just now finish to report to
Apple a VO bug on safari.
This bug is:
pickers popup items selection.

This bug has already been identified a long time.

Please contribute all to report this bug to Apple.

This bug has been around for a long time and it's time to get rid
of it ...
Please contribute all to put an end to this issue.

thank you all.
cheers.

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Re: Picker items in Safari

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hi friend.
thanks for the answer.
I already reported this issue to Apple, and have detailed all the details.
apple told me that the issue had been send it to accessibility team.
I talked to Apple that this bug was very complex, and the apple 
understood ...
It seemes to me that Apple is very interested in solve more issues 
reported by us

perhaps in the 9.3 update some of the reported issues are already resolved.

thanks.
cheers.

Às 02:41 de 19/01/2016, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:


Hi Mario,

I unfortunately didn’t keep your message so I can’t reply to it, but I 
had kept that link to that gaming website where you pointed out a 
picker box at the bottom which you said wasn’t accessible with Safari. 
So, the quick answer is that yes, if you double tap on it it doesn’t 
pop up with the choices where you can flick up and down to select one. 
However, you can access the options if you double tap and hold on it, 
then do another double tap. I think it said “General Discussion, 3 of 
9” or something like that. When I flicked up it did go to the next 
item, but I couldn’t go to the next one after that as it immediately 
loaded the site fresh and I had to go back to the picker, do another 
double tap and hold followed by a double tap and then I could once 
again flick. It seems a split tap also works which makes no sense 
since a split tap and a double tap is supposed to be the same, but in 
this case the double tap did nothing whereas the split tap did. If you 
have “Form Controls” in your rotor, you can turn the rotor to that and 
easily locate the picker that way, then do your double tap and hold 
followed by a double tap. It may not be ideal and I don’t know if it 
works for all such picker controls, but it maybe a work-around for the 
time being.


Regards,

Sieghard

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Re: problems ticking the tick boxes in safarie

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hi.
all you need to do to resolve this issue, is to report the issue to Apple.
 this is the right way.
cheers.

Às 11:00 de 30/01/2016, Kathy Brandt escreveu:
I think what is being asked about is the check boxes, when you want to 
check something. Occasionally they don't work for me either. I know 
this was from a little ways back, but mentioning in case this 
clarifies and in case the person didn't get an answer.


On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:35 PM, dacia.l...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


Hi, I used to be able to use the pictures. However, when I do it now, 
it just says forward when I swipe up after double tapping. Any 
suggestions? I can see the done button, but it's not letting me 
navigate the picker letter with a room on the left right or middle of 
the screen.


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Monica Jones > wrote:


In safari, I can’t even get to the pickes to get them to work. I 
think this is what he means.

*From:* Regina Alvarado 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:44 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: problems ticking the tick boxes in safarie
Chris, The pickers can be a bear. What I try to do is each time I 
move the picker up or down and find what I want I then try to move 
directly to the done button on the right side of the screen just 
above the top of the keyboard if up but in the general same area if 
keyboard not there. If you touch fast enough it will leave the 
picker where it was placed, but sometimes you will need to repeat 3 
or 4 times before it sticks. Patience is important because pickers 
can be flaky. If anyone has a more stable way to accomplish pickers, 
I am all ears too.


reggie & Lex

On Nov 19, 2015, at 9:01 AM, Christopher huby > wrote:


Good Afternoon all,

I wonder if some one could help me.

when on the internet i am having problems ticking the tick boxes in 
that when i double tap on the screen twice nothing happens.


does any one else have this problem, if so have they found a workaround.

if some one could help me i would be most grateful.

regards

christopher huby


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard question

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VO + S.

cheers.


Às 14:18 de 31/01/2016, Rebecca Ilniski escreveu:

hi all. on a bluetooth keyboard how do you turn speech on and off? I know on a 
braille display it's m chord and on the phone thre finger double tap. thanks.

Rebecca and Zeb
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On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Otto Hylli  wrote:

Hi
With VoiceOver you move numbers by swiping with three fingers, triple tapping 
with one finger or double tapping and holding with one finger. So for example 
swipe right with three fingers to move numbers from the left side of the cube 
to the right side. Triple tap with three fingers to move numbers from front 
side to back side. Double tap and hold with one finger to move from back side 
to front side. VoiceOver focus has to be on the game area (a cube corner or 
score counter) for these commands to work. The three finger swipe gestures are 
the same used to move between pages on the home screen or to scroll items one 
screen up or down in list views. Hope these instructions helped you. They are 
available in the games help section that can be accessed by a button in the 
bottom right corner of the screen.



'RobH.' via VIPhone  kirjoitti 30.1.2016 kello 19.04:

Ok, from the top, how do you make things move;  most of the flicking or swiping 
are voiceover commands,  and do nothing in the game.
Tell us again how you move things around while voiceover is on.

Thanks, BobH.


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From: "Otto Hylli" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 12:42 PM
Subject: 3076 3D a new puzzle game from the developer of CardsAlone


Hello all
The developer of CardsAlone has just published a new VoiceOver accesible puzzle 
game. Or to be more precise the game has been out
for awhile but VoiceOver accessibility was recently added. (Disclamer the 
developer is my friend.) The App costs 0.99 dollars. The
App Store link  is
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/3076-3d/id972441484?mt=8

And here is the description of the game from App Store:

3076 3D is a number based puzzle game in three dimensions. The play area is a 
cube whose eight corners can hold a number or be
empty. You get points by combining a pair of numbers that are equal. You can do 
this by moving numbers from one side of the cube to
the opposite side. A number moves if the opposite corner is empty or contains 
the same number. If the numbers are the same they
combine to the number that is the sum of the two numbers.

Features
- one step undo
- sounds
- High Score list
- accessible with VoiceOver

Incidentally I helped the developer to write that as well as the games playing 
instructions. So if you don’t understand the game
mechanics after reading you  know who to blame :).

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Re: UndeadAssault‬

[Mário Navarro]

no, only works on windows.
cheers.


Às 15:29 de 28/02/2016, Ming escreveu:

hi all,
anyone heard a game call UndeadAssault‬?
is  it accessible with voice over?


Ming

  msn/window live messenger
  chung_chiming_2...@hotmail.com
  skype:
  chungchiming9950
  
  face book:

  http://www.facebook.com/mingcm1



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issues with pickers in facebook site on safari.

[Mário Navarro]

hi all.
some of you are having problems with the pickers popup display on safari 
and at the following address?


www.m.facebook.com

for me, the pickers not work as they should in this  site.
I am referring only on the pickers of feeds.
example:
every time I give a double tap on one of these pickers, the items are 
displayed in the right bottom of the page.

I think this position is wrong.
the items had to be shown to the right of the picker, and not on the 
bottom  right page

what do you think about this.
I think is a bug.
the others work.

such as:
friend requests, messages and notifications.
these works fine.
 here,   the items are positioned to the right of the picker.
please tell me what you think
 if you are having this problem, please report to apple ...
I will report this issue to Apple, but will be much better if all work 
together ...


thanks.

cheers.

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Re: iOS Native Twitter App Now Supports Moments, Via VoiceOver

[Mário Navarro]

thank you Sieghard!
cheers.

Às 17:24 de 30/03/2016, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Davy and others outside the United States,

Here is what a Google search for "Availibility of Twitter Moments outside the United 
States" gave me, you'll find a bunch of results if you do that search and some of 
them are from people who say they were able to activate this outside the US, but here is 
a search result from Twitter:

About Moments | Twitter Help Center
Moments features the best stories happening on Twitter, curated by Twitter and 
select partners.
Note: The Moments tab is currently only available in the United States, 
Australia, United Kingdom, and Brazil.
https://support.twitter.com/articles/20174546#

I suggest anybody who is interested in Twitter Moments to go to the link above 
as it explains the feature in detail including how to use it. For all of us 
outside the United States, the UK, Australia and Brazil we'll just have to wait 
and see if and when Twitter may expand the list of countries where this is 
available or of course do what I do and that is to rely on the wealth of other 
news sources online. Here is one more link ith information about this:

https://blog.twitter.com/2015/moments-the-best-of-twitter-in-an-instant-0


Regards,
Sieghard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
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Subject: Re: iOS Native Twitter App Now Supports Moments, Via VoiceOver

Where can we find the moments section on the screen, I have the latest update 
and get no section beneath in the screen about moments.

Regards
Davy

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From: Kerri Kosten
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2016 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS Native Twitter App Now Supports Moments, Via VoiceOver

Mark:
I am so excited about this.
I am wondering though how you went about first getting the Twitter developers 
attention to this problem, and then next convincing them to fix this.
I really wish the Snapchat app would become more accessible because Snapchat is 
becoming hugely popular and is now being used for communication purposes.
Did the Twitter developers just pay attention to  the review you posted of 
their app in the ITunes app store?
Did you take any other steps to alert them or anything?
I am asking all of this because I want to try to do a similar thing with 
Snapchat and get them to make Snapchat accessible.
I am so excited about moments though!!! I can finally now really clean out my 
Twitter follow list and now I can follow top stories without having to follow 
tons of people!!
Thanks so much Mark!!
Kerri

On 3/29/16, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:

hi.
this is the official tweeter app.
search only for Tweeter.
cheers.

Às 19:56 de 29/03/2016, Fazil escreveu:

What this app is called in AppStore, please?
Thanks!

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Subject: Re: iOS Native Twitter App Now Supports Moments, Via
VoiceOver



hi.
Now on the iPad also supports foto  description go to accessibility,
check image description.
my iPad is the mini 2.
on my iPhone, I can not find this new feature.
hey I can not see the tab moments.
how can I do to see the moments tab.
thanks.
cheers.

Às 01:04 de 29/03/2016, M. Taylor escreveu:

Hello Everyone,

I am so delighted to let you know that, as of today's update, the
iOS native Twitter app now supports Twitter Moments via VoiceOver.
To begin enjoying this extremely exciting new feature of Twitter, on
your iOS device:

1.
Update to the latest version of Twitter.

2.
Select the Moments tab located on the bottom row of the display.

Be certain to explore the entire screen as the Moments area has a
slightly different layout than the rest of the Twitter app.

Also, I am happy to report that every aspect of Moments is
accessible via the app's soft-buttons and by specific VoiceOver
gestures including the 3-finger swipe left, to move through a
specific thread, and the single-finger hold, and swipe up gesture,
in order to quickly close a thread and be returned to the main app.
Also, Moments video playback works flawlessly.  Just remember that
in order to hear the video, you must unmute the sound via a
soft-button located near the upper left corner of the display.

Give yourself plenty of time to explore this new quick and easy way
to stay up-to-date on what's happening around the world.

Finally, please join me in thanking the developers of Twitter for
making Moments VoiceOver accessible by sending a tweet to either
@support or @twitter, or by sending an email to supp...@twitter.com
or by posting a comment in the app-review area of iTunes.

Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy!

Mark


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Re: Apple accessibility sucks

[Mário Navarro]

hi.

for me the apple accessibility only sucks in solving problems in 
accessibility.

this is our biggest problem with apple.
cheers.

Às 23:00 de 29/03/2016, Jim Ruby escreveu:

I love calling these people only to have the call get hung up on for the 5th 
time today after the stupid automated system says let me get someone to help 
you.
This is the number I am using
800-694-7466
Make it 6 times now from another phone
I had a strange bill come in from itunes and I can't get to the billing history 
in itunes it is all blank. I'll just call my cc company and dispute the charge 
then since apple is to hard to get in touch with and I can not report it since 
I can't get to my billing info with in itunes since it is all blank.

Any way anyone have any suggestions? I'm getting very frustrated.

Thanks



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Re: Apple accessibility sucks

[Mário Navarro]

hi.
for me apple accessibility only sucks in solving problems in accessibility.
this is our biggest problem with apple.
cheers.

Às 00:12 de 30/03/2016, Richard Turner escreveu:

Others have already given the actual accessibility phone not number. The one 
you have been calling is not the accessibility support line. I and many others 
have called the accessibility line multiple times with excellent results.
So, make sure you are using 1-877-204-3930

Richard



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On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Jim Ruby  wrote:

I love calling these people only to have the call get hung up on for the 5th 
time today after the stupid automated system says let me get someone to help 
you.
This is the number I am using
800-694-7466
Make it 6 times now from another phone
I had a strange bill come in from itunes and I can't get to the billing history 
in itunes it is all blank. I'll just call my cc company and dispute the charge 
then since apple is to hard to get in touch with and I can not report it since 
I can't get to my billing info with in itunes since it is all blank.

Any way anyone have any suggestions? I'm getting very frustrated.

Thanks

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