thoughts about D2fusion technology
Vortexians; The discussion about the CEO job offer has gotten me thinking about the viability of the proposed technology. For a combination of reasons, I assume that various LENR technologies are real. First of all, there is the standard LENR's produced by a P F cell, then there is the Patapov Pump, the Pinatelli machine. The Patapov pump is being manufactured by the Russian Arms manufacturer, the webpage claims an output which exceeds the input by 20 %, I know this because I had a Russian immigrant translate it. I believe that this information is legitimate, despite the fact that Alexander Frolov provided me with the URL. Fiat-Allis had enough confidence in Dr. Piantelli's research to patent the results. Consequently, I find the subject of the potential commercialization of the D2fusion technology, which I believe to be LENR quite fascinating. To this end I have done the following calculations. Assume off peak electricity at 6 cents per K W hr. Use a 1 K W heater. Energized for one hour, it liberates 3.157 X 10 ^ 3 BTU's per hour, lets call this one heat equivalent. Utilizing one of the proposed D2fusion units, we would get 1.3 heat equivalents. So, instead of 6 cents worth of energy we get 8 cents per hour worth of heat, giving a savings of 2 cents of free heat per hour. If we assume a six month heating season, and that the heater will be operating half the time, that 6 X 30 X 12 = 2160 hours per year X 2 cents per hour in savings = $43.20 in savings. If we assume that there is a tiny portion of the market which would invest in a technology which required a 10 year payback, that would yield a retail, installed price of $432 per kilowatt of installed capacity. There is a small section of the market which would pay twice that amount, but I don't think that it will last long. It is assumed that most of the potential market already have electric heating systems, so the only installation that is required it to unpack the heaters remove the old heaters, and bolt the new ones in place. Consequently, I believe that sales and installation could be kept to say 20% of the installed price. I'm wondering if anyone has read a description of the D2fusion technology. Perhaps then it might be possible to ballpark a price for it. I began to think about the amount of energy in a mole of water. I decided that in 18 grams of water, there are about 4 X 10 ^ 20 deuterium atoms. if you were able to fuse 1 X 10 ^ 9 of them per second, it would yield about a K W of energy. There are 3.15 X 10 ^ 7 seconds in a year. So that number of atoms would take about 3.3 X 10 ^ 3 years to exhaust the supply. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
OT: global warming humour
It was October, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, Is the coming winter going to be cold? It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold, the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the Chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later he called the National Weather Service again. Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter? Yes, the man at National weather Service again replied, it's going to be a very cold winter. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find. Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold? Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.
OT: humour, programmer or serial killer
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Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:46 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Vortexians; The discussion about the CEO job offer has gotten me thinking about the viability of the proposed technology. For a combination of reasons, I assume that various LENR technologies are real. First of all, there is the standard LENR's produced by a P F cell, then there is the Patapov Pump, the Pinatelli machine. The Patapov pump is being manufactured by the Russian Arms manufacturer, the webpage claims an output which exceeds the input by 20 %, I know this because I had a Russian immigrant translate it. I believe that this information is legitimate, despite the fact that Alexander Frolov provided me with the URL. Fiat-Allis had enough confidence in Dr. Piantelli's research to patent the results. The 20%, even if actually free energy, is equivalent to a COP of 1.2. This is not economically competitive in that form. It is taking the most expensive form of power, electric, and converting it to low grade heat. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump: The term coefficient of performance or COP is used to describe the ratio of heat output to electrical power consumption. A typical heat pump has a COP of about four, whereas a typical electric heater has a COP of one, indicating units of heat exchange performance per units of electrical power input (resistive electric heat being 100% efficient whereas heat pump heating offering up to 400% efficiency). For very cold places a COP of 4 is ambitious. But, ground source heat pumps do a good job. See: http://www.eere.energy.gov/femp/technologies/ eep_groundsource_heatpumps.cfm#whatis The way to make good use of a low COP free energy device, like say 2.0, where the extra output is truly free energy, is to close the loop. In that way all input power is removed and the COP goes to infinity. Even that does not guarantee economic success. Only achieving competitive full life cycle costs can do that. A high maintenance cost or high capital cost and short life cycle can still prevent profits. Horace Heffner
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
thomas malloy wrote: Vortexians; The discussion about the CEO job offer has gotten me thinking about the viability of the proposed technology. For a combination of reasons, I assume that various LENR technologies are real. First of all, there is the standard LENR's produced by a P F cell, then there is the Patapov Pump, the Pinatelli machine. The Patapov pump is being manufactured by the Russian Arms manufacturer, the webpage claims an output which exceeds the input by 20 %, I know this because I had a Russian immigrant translate it. I believe that this information is legitimate, despite the fact that Alexander Frolov provided me with the URL. Fiat-Allis had enough confidence in Dr. Piantelli's research to patent the results. Consequently, I find the subject of the potential commercialization of the D2fusion technology, which I believe to be LENR quite fascinating. To this end I have done the following calculations. Assume off peak electricity at 6 cents per K W hr. Use a 1 K W heater. Energized for one hour, it liberates 3.157 X 10 ^ 3 BTU's per hour, lets call this one heat equivalent. Utilizing one of the proposed D2fusion units, we would get 1.3 heat equivalents. So, instead of 6 cents worth of energy we get 8 cents per hour worth of heat, giving a savings of 2 cents of free heat per hour. If we assume a six month heating season, and that the heater will be operating half the time, that 6 X 30 X 12 = 2160 hours per year X 2 cents per hour in savings = $43.20 in savings. If we assume that there is a tiny portion of the market which would invest in a technology which required a 10 year payback, that would yield a retail, installed price of $432 per kilowatt of installed capacity. There is a small section of the market which would pay twice that amount, but I don't think that it will last long. It is assumed that most of the potential market already have electric heating systems, so the only installation that is required it to unpack the heaters remove the old heaters, and bolt the new ones in place. Consequently, I believe that sales and installation could be kept to say 20% of the installed price. I'm wondering if anyone has read a description of the D2fusion technology. Perhaps then it might be possible to ballpark a price for it. As far as I can tell there is, as yet, no D2fusion technology. There is hype, there are high hopes, there is a web site, there are descriptions of the evidence that the CF effect is real, but there's no hint that they've got a real, useful device in prototype or even on the drawing boards. Based on the (thin) evidence available, it's not apparent that the folks at D2fusion have any more idea than anyone else at this time how to commercialize cold fusion. I began to think about the amount of energy in a mole of water. I decided that in 18 grams of water, there are about 4 X 10 ^ 20 deuterium atoms. if you were able to fuse 1 X 10 ^ 9 of them per second, it would yield about a K W of energy. There are 3.15 X 10 ^ 7 seconds in a year. So that number of atoms would take about 3.3 X 10 ^ 3 years to exhaust the supply. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Looks like the money is all about Russ George, a one time vortex-l contributor. Looks like he doesn't get paid his $2M purchase price unless the company performs in a couple years. See the 8-K: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050819/slre.ob8-k.html Horace Heffner
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:46 AM, thomas malloy wrote: Vortexians; The discussion about the CEO job offer has gotten me thinking about the viability of the proposed technology. For a combination of reasons, I assume that various LENR technologies are real. First of all, there is the standard LENR's produced by a P F cell, then there is the Patapov Pump, the Pinatelli machine. The Patapov pump is being manufactured by the Russian Arms manufacturer, the webpage claims an output which exceeds the input by 20 %, I know this because I had a Russian immigrant translate it. I believe that this information is legitimate, despite the fact that Alexander Frolov provided me with the URL. Fiat-Allis had enough confidence in Dr. Piantelli's research to patent the results. The 20%, even if actually free energy, is equivalent to a COP of 1.2. This is not economically competitive in that form. It is taking the most expensive form of power, electric, and converting it to low grade heat. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump: The term coefficient of performance or COP is used to describe the ratio of heat output to electrical power consumption. A typical heat pump has a COP of about four, whereas a typical electric heater has a COP of one, indicating units of heat exchange performance per units of electrical power input (resistive electric heat being 100% efficient whereas heat pump heating offering up to 400% efficiency). For very cold places a COP of 4 is ambitious. But, ground source heat pumps do a good job. See: http://www.eere.energy.gov/femp/technologies/ eep_groundsource_heatpumps.cfm#whatis The way to make good use of a low COP free energy device, like say 2.0, where the extra output is truly free energy, is to close the loop. To close the loop, you first must get to thermodynamic break-even: you must get out at least as much Gibbs free energy as you put in. Otherwise it's impossible. Determining the operating point which represents breakeven involves assuming there's a heat engine present to convert the output back into electricity, which means breakeven depends on how hot the cell is and how warm the environment is. For an air-cooled device operating in a reasonably normal room-temperature environment, as I mentioned in an earlier post, the breakeven over-unity value depends on the cell temperature more or less as follows (I just love quoting myself): BreakevenT_high, assuming T_high, if T_high/T_low Excess T_low = 293K = 20CT_low = 273K = 0C ---- 1 Infinity 293K (20C) 273K (0C) 1.1 10 322K (49C) 300K (27C) 1.2 5352K (79C) 328K (55C) 1.3 3.3 381K (108C) 355K (82C) 1.4 2.5 410K (133C) 382K (109C) 1.5 2440K (167C) 410K (137C) For a cell operating at roughly 150 degrees C, breakeven is in the ballpark of 200% excess heat. For cooler cells, breakeven is even higher. For the current generation of cells that sounds like a rather high bar to get over. (Outdoors, in Alaska, in the winter, breakeven would be a lot easier to attain!) In the real world, heat engines are not perfect. In order to close the loop, one would therefore need a significantly higher excess than 200%. But then again, in the real world, a wet CF cell would probably use a fuel cell to turn the energy of recombination into electricity rather than letting it fall back uselessly to heat via a passive recombining catalyst, which would push the actual excess heat value up quite a bit, which would help. One needs more assumptions and a better idea of the final cell design to go much farther with this, and as Ed Storms already pointed out, there are other problems with with wet cells that make them seem likely to remain forever impractical as an energy source. In that way all input power is removed and the COP goes to infinity. Even that does not guarantee economic success. Only achieving competitive full life cycle costs can do that. A high maintenance cost or high capital cost and short life cycle can still prevent profits. Horace Heffner
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Correction: Looks like the money is all about Russ George, a one time vortex-l contributor. Looks like he doesn't get paid his $2M purchase price unless the company performs in *5* years. See the 8-K: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050819/slre.ob8-k.html Does that make sense, or am I reading that wrong? If Solar Energy Limited goes belly up, then the 5 year debenture is worthless? Horace Heffner
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Horace Heffner wrote: Correction: Looks like the money is all about Russ George, a one time vortex-l contributor. Looks like he doesn't get paid his $2M purchase price unless the company performs in *5* years. See the 8-K: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050819/slre.ob8-k.html Does that make sense, or am I reading that wrong? If Solar Energy Limited goes belly up, then the 5 year debenture is worthless? First of all, nasty unpleasant deals are the norm when dealing with VCs and buyouts. But even given that, no, I don't think you read it quite right. What I see is this: a) He gets a 5 year CV debenture, worth 2 million dollars. That's basically a 5-year bond (with some strings on it, discussed below in point (c)). Nominally, it pays 5% interest, and it matures in 5 years, which means George gets $100,000 per year in interest, and gets a balloon payment of 2 million dollars after 5 years. b) The bond is convertible, which means that at any time, George can convert it to SEL stock at 10% below the market value. Assuming SEL is publicly traded (are they?) that means he can take his $2M bond, convert it, and sell the stock for $2.2M at any time during the next 5 years, if he is so moved. That sounds odd to me but I'm not up on the fine points of convertible debentures so there may be something more going on here (but see below). (It may also be that the below market term actually means below the market value of the stock on date 8/18/05 and they neglected to mention that in the 8K. That would seem to make more sense to me but again I'm a bit fuzzy on CV debentures.) c) Finally, there are Some Strings Attached, which I understand to be as follows. First, D2fusion must arrange access to the public capital markets within six months. I'd need a lawyer to know what that means, but it sounds like they must go public in 6 months?? That's tough if they haven't got a product yet! But maybe it means something less stringent. Second, he must raise an additional $2.2 million in financing, from whatever source he chooses, within 1 year of the agreement, or the deal's off. In other words, if he can't find another investor willing to match SEL's investment by the fall of 2006, they're going to pull out. That is a Big Condition! Third, that $100,000 per annum in interest is payable _ONLY_ in the event that D2Fusion happens to be making a profit. Since they have no product, that seems very unlikely, so I think the likely payout of the debenture is actually 0%, not 5%. Fourth, he's been paid in scrip (a debenture, not dollars) so if SEL goes poof so does the payment. (That's standard practice for someone they want to keep on board!) BUT here's where the convertibility comes in: _If_ he gets his extra financing, and gets access to the capital markets, so the deal actually goes through, _then_ he can apparently bail out at any time by converting the debenture, selling the stock, and pocketing the $2.2M (minus taxes, which come due on conversion). There may, however, be an extra requirement that wasn't mentioned, such as a vestment period, to prevent him from converting too soon. 5% isn't much of an incentive to keep one holding onto a junk-quality bond rather than selling it and investing in something else. Finally, the debenture agreement itself probably ran many pages, and all we've got here is a couple sentences summarizing it. There may be significant details left out of this version. Summary: Unless George stays on board and produces something convincing enough to pull in lots more money within 12 months, SEL will pick up their marbles and go home. Welcome to the Wonderful World of VCs and Buyouts. Horace Heffner
Re: global warming humour
Hi Remi, Depends on the tribe. A few tribes in Africa lacked the canny skills of our aborigines and wound up digging gold to pave the streets of the Swiss. The Mescalero Apaches near Ruidoso New Mexico have 'No Problemo. They own Sierra Blanco mountain, the timber, the ski lodge and the whole nine yards including the allotments from uncle sugar. If they need fuel, they call up El Paso natural gas and have it piped. Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: OT: global warming humour It was October, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, Is the coming winter going to be cold? It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold, the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the Chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later he called the National Weather Service again. Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter? Yes, the man at National weather Service again replied, it's going to be a very cold winter. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find. Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold? Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.
RE: global warming humour
As they say, irony is lost on Americans. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RC Macaulay Sent: 09 January 2006 15:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: global warming humour Hi Remi, Depends on the tribe. A few tribes in Africa lacked the canny skills of our aborigines and wound up digging gold to pave the streets of the Swiss. The Mescalero Apaches near Ruidoso New Mexico have 'No Problemo. They own Sierra Blanco mountain, the timber, the ski lodge and the whole nine yards including the allotments from uncle sugar. If they need fuel, they call up El Paso natural gas and have it piped. Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: OT: global warming humour It was October, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, Is the coming winter going to be cold? It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold, the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the Chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later he called the National Weather Service again. Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter? Yes, the man at National weather Service again replied, it's going to be a very cold winter. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find. Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold? Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.
Re: OT: global warming humour
At 01:42 pm 09/01/2006 -, Reme wrote: snip ... Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold? Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy. He He! I really did laugh out loud at the dénouement of that one. 8-) Frank
Re: global warming humour
Hi Remi, Perhaps misplaced, never lost . Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: RE: global warming humour As they say, irony is lost on Americans. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RC Macaulay Sent: 09 January 2006 15:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: global warming humour Hi Remi, Depends on the tribe. A few tribes in Africa lacked the canny skills of our aborigines and wound up digging gold to pave the streets of the Swiss. The Mescalero Apaches near Ruidoso New Mexico have 'No Problemo. They own Sierra Blanco mountain, the timber, the ski lodge and the whole nine yards including the allotments from uncle sugar. If they need fuel, they call up El Paso natural gas and have it piped. Richard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: OT: global warming humour It was October, and the Indians on a remote reservation asked their new Chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild. Since he was a Chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like. Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared. But being a practical leader, after several days he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked, Is the coming winter going to be cold? It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold, the meteorologist at the weather service responded. So the Chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared. A week later he called the National Weather Service again. Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter? Yes, the man at National weather Service again replied, it's going to be a very cold winter. The Chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find. Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold? Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked. The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Horace Heffner wrote: Correction: Looks like the money is all about Russ George, a one time vortex-l contributor. Looks like he doesn't get paid his $2M purchase price unless the company performs in *5* years. See the 8-K: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/050819/slre.ob8-k.html Does that make sense, or am I reading that wrong? If Solar Energy Limited goes belly up, then the 5 year debenture is worthless? First of all, nasty unpleasant deals are the norm when dealing with VCs and buyouts. But even given that, no, I don't think you read it quite right. What I see is this: a) He gets a 5 year CV debenture, worth 2 million dollars. That's basically a 5-year bond (with some strings on it, discussed below in point (c)). Nominally, it pays 5% interest, and it matures in 5 years, which means George gets $100,000 per year in interest, and gets a balloon payment of 2 million dollars after 5 years. b) The bond is convertible, which means that at any time, George can convert it to SEL stock at 10% below the market value. OOPS I overlooked something! It's convertible at 90% of market value not to exceed $1 That puts a VERY different face on it! NOW the deal makes sense. If George can get the additional outside financing in order to satisfy the terms of the deal, then he becomes a stockholder in SEL to the tune of _at_ _least_ 2 million shares of their stock. Since their stock is probably currently worth less than $1 per share that gives him the upside potential needed to induce him to stay on and try to produce a product. The 5 year term of the bond gives him an incentive to get something out the door in 5 years, but the penalty if things just limp along for the next 5 years is that he _only_ gets $2.2M out of it, rather than the $22M he might expect if SEL's stock goes up to $10/share. Assuming SEL is publicly traded (are they?) that means he can take his $2M bond, convert it, and sell the stock for $2.2M at any time during the next 5 years, if he is so moved. That sounds odd to me but I'm not up on the fine points of convertible debentures so there may be something more going on here (but see below). (It may also be that the below market term actually means below the market value of the stock on date 8/18/05 and they neglected to mention that in the 8K. That would seem to make more sense to me but again I'm a bit fuzzy on CV debentures.) c) Finally, there are Some Strings Attached, which I understand to be as follows. First, D2fusion must arrange access to the public capital markets within six months. I'd need a lawyer to know what that means, but it sounds like they must go public in 6 months?? That's tough if they haven't got a product yet! But maybe it means something less stringent. Second, he must raise an additional $2.2 million in financing, from whatever source he chooses, within 1 year of the agreement, or the deal's off. In other words, if he can't find another investor willing to match SEL's investment by the fall of 2006, they're going to pull out. That is a Big Condition! Third, that $100,000 per annum in interest is payable _ONLY_ in the event that D2Fusion happens to be making a profit. Since they have no product, that seems very unlikely, so I think the likely payout of the debenture is actually 0%, not 5%. Fourth, he's been paid in scrip (a debenture, not dollars) so if SEL goes poof so does the payment. (That's standard practice for someone they want to keep on board!) BUT here's where the convertibility comes in: _If_ he gets his extra financing, and gets access to the capital markets, so the deal actually goes through, _then_ he can apparently bail out at any time by converting the debenture, selling the stock, and pocketing the $2.2M (minus taxes, which come due on conversion). There may, however, be an extra requirement that wasn't mentioned, such as a vestment period, to prevent him from converting too soon. 5% isn't much of an incentive to keep one holding onto a junk-quality bond rather than selling it and investing in something else. Finally, the debenture agreement itself probably ran many pages, and all we've got here is a couple sentences summarizing it. There may be significant details left out of this version. Summary: Unless George stays on board and produces something convincing enough to pull in lots more money within 12 months, SEL will pick up their marbles and go home. Welcome to the Wonderful World of VCs and Buyouts. Horace Heffner
Re: OT: global warming humour
ha. i love that old joke. was first told to me by an apache that was simply called grandfather by everyone, even MY grandfather, about 10-15 years back. he loved the reaction of people that would laugh, start to stop thinking it might be offensive, then break up again. On 1/9/06, Grimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:42 pm 09/01/2006 -, Reme wrote:snip...Two weeks later the Chief called the National Weather Service again. Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?Absolutely, the man replied. It's looking more and more like it is goingto be one of the coldest winters ever. How can you be so sure? the Chief asked.The weatherman replied, The Indians are collecting firewood like crazy.He He!I really did laugh out loud at the dénouement of that one.8-) Frank-- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to writeVoltaire
Please protest
I just uploaded a statement to the front page at LENR-CANR and to the news section: The Washington Post attacks cold fusion, and ignores protests by researchers. I assume several researchers protested. If you have not already done so, please send a short message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They will ignore it but anyway, I would like to be sure that what I just wrote at LENR-CANR.org is correct, at least ex post facto. I think a short message along these lines would be fine: Regarding: Barely a Drop of Fraud by Bettyann Holtzmann Kevles, January 8, 2006, p. B03. The statements about cold fusion in this article are inaccurate and unfair. Cold fusion was never debunked. On the contrary, it was widely replicated after 1989, and many peer-reviewed journal papers describing these replications have been published. Say it your own way, of course. Perhaps we could send one message signed by many people? Probably not. It is worth the effort organizing a petition because they will ignore us for sure. - Jed
OT: more humour
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4589072.stm Just how many billion dollar terrorists are out there? I think they been watching Moonraker. Better get James Bond in orbit then. I would have thought it a statement of the bleeding obvious: er, principal of school, er, terrorists need not apply to this job. Er, brain surgeon, no terrorists please. Duh! ... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ...
Re: Rupert Sheldrake
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, You caught me p.ssing about and dossing today. Here's a semi serious one: They imply that there is a genetic mechanism other than sexual selection. This one is going on about smoking knocking off methyl groups on DNA and the effects persisting for generations. Sounds like Sheldrake's acquired characteristics to me - definitely non-Darwinian. There are a number of non-Darwinian effects on the offspring, starting with variations in the intrauterine environment, which has a big impact, and which can end up carrying extra-genetic effects forward for a couple generations. The fact that such influences exist isn't new news, but new examples of that kind of thing are news. Methylation is an issue, too, but I generally had the impression that the methylation situation got reset during meiosis -- something like the situation with the telomeres, which are generally patched up for each new generation (except after cloning, of course). Certainly all forms of IVF and cloning tend to leave rather bolixed methylation in their wake; for IVF and ICSI there appear to be, at worst, only minor effects on the children (whom, one assumes, would not have been conceived without the intervention). The consequences in some animals appear to be more severe, with sheep, in particular, showing odd problems in a number of the lambs after some processes which mess with the methylation of the genome. I recall in particular a problem which might be called big-floppy-lambs syndrome but I disrecall the actual name just now. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925334.000;jsessionid=NJMKLCBMNHFF I like the way the establishment kinda subsumes controversial stuff quietly without ever admitting it was wrong. Same old some old is the Americanism, I think. Remi. ... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ...
Re: OT: more humour
Tickets on Virgin Galactic are presently available for $200,000. -Original Message- From: R.O.Cornwall Just how many billion dollar terrorists are out there? ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
As far as I can tell there is, as yet, no D2fusion technology. There is hype, there are high hopes, there is a web site, there are descriptions of the evidence that the CF effect is real, but there's no hint that they've got a real, useful device in prototype or even on the drawing boards. Based on the (thin) evidence available, it's not apparent that the folks at D2fusion have any more idea than anyone else at this time how to commercialize cold fusion. From New Energy Times issue #14, Jan. 10: (tomorrow) Thomas Benson and Thomas Passell (associated with D2fusion Inc.) presented preliminary results in a poster and in a talk associated with using glow discharge devices. In the poster, a particular device modeled after the ones used by Energetics Technologies was presented. It involved cathodes made from various metals and a variety of nanoscale structures formed from the materials. In the talk, Passell described a new simplified glow discharge device, involving small (.69 watt) input power with slightly greater (.79 watt) output power, discharged in a low pressure (2-20 T) D2 gas.
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Steven Krivit wrote: As far as I can tell there is, as yet, no D2fusion technology. I was not clear here. By technology I meant something that is potentially salable (to someone other than another researcher). Of course Russ George has technology as well as a great deal of knowledge -- I am not debating that -- but it's not the kind of technology you can package as a product, AFAIK. There is hype, there are high hopes, there is a web site, there are descriptions of the evidence that the CF effect is real, but there's no hint that they've got a real, useful device in prototype or even on the drawing boards. And this was the point. No product and no apparent plan for how to build one. Everyone needs to start somewhere, of course, but at this point I'm not convinced that the process of evoking CF is well enough understood for it to be sensible to start trying to commercialize it. Based on the (thin) evidence available, it's not apparent that the folks at D2fusion have any more idea than anyone else at this time how to commercialize cold fusion. From New Energy Times issue #14, Jan. 10: (tomorrow) Thomas Benson and Thomas Passell (associated with D2fusion Inc.) presented preliminary results in a poster and in a talk associated with using glow discharge devices. In the poster, a particular device modeled after the ones used by Energetics Technologies was presented. It involved cathodes made from various metals and a variety of nanoscale structures formed from the materials. In the talk, Passell described a new simplified glow discharge device, involving small (.69 watt) input power with slightly greater (.79 watt) output power, discharged in a low pressure (2-20 T) D2 gas. It's an interesting result, but how would you recover useful energy from it? That's necessary to build a commercial device, and that's the point I had in mind. At 0.79/0.69 = 1.15, that's 15% over unity. I haven't seen the paper but I'm guessing that the energy comes out in the form of heat. Is that correct? If so, then in order to produce an over-unity device, which is necessary if it's to produce usable power, they need to operate it above the thermodynamic breakevent point. Given the excess heat as a fraction of 1, that implies a temperatore of just T(high)/T(low) = 1 + 1/Excess_heat (assuming I did the algebra right). At 15% excess heat, I make that ratio about 1.9, so if the ambient temp is about 300K, then T(high) must be about 300 Centigrade. It's feasible but it's probably a bit different from the rig they're currently using; the coolant's got to be heavily pressurized water or some other fluid (silicone oil, maybe), while I'd bet they're currently using low-pressure water for the coolant. But 300C is the level at which you can, in principle, close the loop with 15% excess heat, _if_ you can build a perfect heat engine. With a real-world heat engine it's harder, and to accomodate the losses in the real engine, you either need to pump up the cell temperature even more, or increase the excess heat to something a little healthier than 15%. And then we need to consider the power level. 100 mW of net output energy needs to be scaled up a few orders of magnitude before it's going to be interesting as a commercial device ... or even as something with which you can reasonably expect to close the loop given real-world losses and the difficulty of operating anything at all with less than a watt. And scaling _anything_ more than an order of magnitude nearly always involves major headaches which can't be foreseen; to be of commercial interest this probably needs to go up at least 3 orders of magnitude. CF, with its history of negative economies of scale, is likely to be worse than most things in this area. This all is to say that while I certainly believe the effects are real, and I laud the work Russ George continues to do, I don't see a clear path from where the state of CF research is right now to a commercial device of any sort, and this (admittedly interesting) news doesn't change that.
Re: Heim Theory: A Real Warp Drive
Actually, the whole 'warp' thing is a side effect of his original theory. During the 50's Heim began working on reconciling relativity and quantum mechanics. In order to do so he came up with an 8-dimensional universe, but later discarded 2 of the dimensions (Droescher reinstated those 2 dropped dimensions in an expansion of the theory). Not only does his theory and the equations coming from it predict a possible warp drive, but also the possibility of hyper-dimensional travel (FTL?) He never managed the funding to test the theory, but he did have a portion published which accurately predicts the masses of elementary particles based on their physical characteristics (which no one else has been able to do) They have the equations to back it, now if they can get their experiment to work, we might really have something. --- Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this while searching for six dimensional theories: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundamentals/mg18925331.200.html excerpt: Claims of the possibility of gravity reduction or anti-gravity induced by magnetic fields have been investigated by NASA before (New Scientist, 12 January 2002, p 24). But this one, Dröscher insists, is different. Our theory is not about anti-gravity. It's about completely new fields with new properties, he says. And he and Häuser have suggested an experiment to prove it. This will require a huge rotating ring placed above a superconducting coil to create an intense magnetic field. With a large enough current in the coil, and a large enough magnetic field, Dröscher claims the electromagnetic force can reduce the gravitational pull on the ring to the point where it floats free. Dröscher and Häuser say that to completely counter Earth's pull on a 150-tonne spacecraft a magnetic field of around 25 tesla would be needed. While that's 500,000 times the strength of Earth's magnetic field, pulsed magnets briefly reach field strengths up to 80 tesla. And Dröscher and Häuser go further. With a faster-spinning ring and an even stronger magnetic field, gravitophotons would interact with conventional gravity to produce a repulsive anti-gravity force, they suggest. end There's more here; but, this is harder to understand than Beta-atmosphere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_theory ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com Nice one! This guys just reinvented John Searls seg. The seg self cools to extremely low temperature and has spinning rollers on spinning rings. If only we could convert Johns theory into equations we would be on our way. The field strengths are about right. Dröscher and Häuser may have done the equations that we need. Wont it be cool to have a true space drive finally. Wont it be even cooler to discover that we had a prototype in the 1960's! That will give the skeptics a migraine. I wonder how the equations fit with Dr Podkletnov's work? Merlyn Magickal Engineer and Technical Metaphysicist __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If so, then in order to produce an over-unity device, which is necessary if it's to produce usable power, they need to operate it above the thermodynamic breakevent point. Given the excess heat as a fraction of 1, that implies a temperatore of just T(high)/T(low) = 1 + 1/Excess_heat While this applies to the Potapov vortex thing discussed earlier, and which is not at all related, I suspect it does not apply to Russ George's work. Since Les Case is involved it is reasonable they are looking at commercializing the D2 + catalyst stuff, which has no power input at all. In fact, the web site talks about solid state, which pretty much confirms that some form of the D2 catalysis stuff will be used. Horace Heffner
RE: Rupert Sheldrake
Lots of that about. Try www.panspermia.com - R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:57 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Rupert Sheldrake OK, You caught me p.ssing about and dossing today. Here's a semi serious one: They imply that there is a genetic mechanism other than sexual selection. This one is going on about smoking knocking off methyl groups on DNA and the effects persisting for generations. Sounds like Sheldrake's acquired characteristics to me - definitely non-Darwinian. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18925334.000;jsessionid=NJMKLCBMNH FF I like the way the establishment kinda subsumes controversial stuff quietly without ever admitting it was wrong. Same old some old is the Americanism, I think. Remi. ... Website http://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1 ...
Re: The Powers that Be
Frank, Nice post, and I am glad it is in the archive. However, trying to convince anyone that there is energy to be had from exploding ice is like knocking one's head against a wall. I have pretty much given up on the effort and await some financial windfall like winning the lottery so that I can buy (and sacrifice) a perfectly good diesel engine just to find out if it the idea is anything more than so much hot air... ... make that cold air. Jones BTW, the idea is to mount a carburetor on the diesel intake and set it very lean and use low octane gasoline. Convert the fuel injection system to use pressurized subfreezing water (it will be thereafter ruined, most likely), and set the injection advance forward - to prevent premature ignition of the fuel mix. The idea is that the water turns to ice first, then some of it (the outer layer of each ice crystal sublimates back to vapor (thereby lowering the effective compression ratio as the cycle progresses and preventing preignition) then on ignition at TDC the remainder ice may explode violently. This is all supposition, based on the flimsiest of evidence (there is some). However, the payoff is large. Jones
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:00 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: If so, then in order to produce an over-unity device, which is necessary if it's to produce usable power, they need to operate it above the thermodynamic breakevent point. Given the excess heat as a fraction of 1, that implies a temperatore of just T(high)/T(low) = 1 + 1/Excess_heat While this applies to the Potapov vortex thing discussed earlier, and which is not at all related, I suspect it does not apply to Russ George's work. Since Les Case is involved it is reasonable they are looking at commercializing the D2 + catalyst stuff, which has no power input at all. In fact, the web site talks about solid state, which pretty much confirms that some form of the D2 catalysis stuff will be used. Cool! That seems like the right direction to go. I confess I didn't see that on the web site -- it looked like the solid state talk all just had to do with any kind of fusion taking place within a metal lattice, which would include all CF experiments I'm familiar with. Certainly it includes wet-cell electrolysis-based CF as well as gas-loaded finely-divided Pd experiments. In any case, I was, of course, reacting to Steve Krivit's post about the glow discharge device with my little thermo thing rather than commenting on Russ George's work in general. Horace Heffner
D2Fusion Test Question
There might be some hints as to what the plans are at the 'position' page: http://d2fusion.com/index.php?option=com_contenttask=blogcategoryid=26; Itemid=53 or http://tinyurl.com/d9dxg for an Energy Science Technician. Also, there is an odd question request at the bottom: Include in cover letter your brief essay answer to the following screening question: What challenges might one encounter in differentiating Deuterium D2 from Helium 4He using quadrapole mass spectroscopy? Include three web sites that are relevant to this topic. Preference may be given to applicants that send a picture. For instance a casual photo of you doing something you enjoy would be appreciated. Why don't they say, Must have facial hair. bg ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Cool! That seems like the right direction to go. I confess I didn't see that on the web site -- it looked like the solid state talk all just had to do with any kind of fusion taking place within a metal lattice, which would include all CF experiments I'm familiar with. Certainly it includes wet-cell electrolysis-based CF as well as gas-loaded finely-divided Pd experiments. Oh, I forgot that the catalyst must be raised to a fairly high temperature, and then the temperature controlled so there is no run- away heat that destroys the catalyst. This does require some initial power input, and some control energy input, so the COP is not really infinite. I don't recall this technology actually proving out upon testing, but I don't know what happened since it was a big deal in sci.physics.fusion in 1999-2000 and on vortex July 2001. I know EarthTech's replication results were negative: http:// www.earthtech.org/experiments/index.html.
Re: The Powers that Be
At 12:36 pm 09/01/2006 -0800, Jones wrote: Frank, Nice post, and I am glad it is in the archive. However, trying to convince anyone that there is energy to be had from exploding ice is like knocking one's head against a wall. I have pretty much given up on the effort and await some financial windfall like winning the lottery so that I can buy (and sacrifice) a perfectly good diesel engine just to find out if it the idea is anything more than so much hot air... ... make that cold air. Jones BTW, the idea is to mount a carburetor on the diesel intake and set it very lean and use low octane gasoline. Convert the fuel injection system to use pressurized subfreezing water (it will be thereafter ruined, most likely), and set the injection advance forward - to prevent premature ignition of the fuel mix. The idea is that the water turns to ice first, then some of it (the outer layer of each ice crystal sublimates back to vapor (thereby lowering the effective compression ratio as the cycle progresses and preventing preignition) then on ignition at TDC the remainder ice may explode violently. This is all supposition, based on the flimsiest of evidence (there is some). However, the payoff is large. Jones There is of course indirect evidence that the idea, or something like it. might work in the Graneau's cold fog. Anyway, speculation costs nothing and keeps the gray matter warm. 8-) Cheers, Frank
D2Fusion Library
Since: http://www.d2fusion.com/education/library.html all link back to lenr-canr.org, you'd think they would give some credit, eh? ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Uploaded Srinivasan review
See: Srinivasan, M., Nuclear fusion in an atomic lattice: An update on the international status of cold fusion research. Curr. Sci., 1991. 60: p. 417, 39 pages. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Srinivasannuclearfus.pdf This was a lot of work to prepare. It has some interesting stuff about Fleischmann and Pons, molten salt electrolysis and various other topics. I just asked Srinivasan on to write a postscript looking back from 2006. It would be melancholy but interesting. - Jed
Re: D2Fusion Library
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all link back to lenr-canr.org, you'd think they would give some credit, eh?\ Ha, ha. Alert users will figure out where the papers are. That is the beauty of the Internet. - Jed
Re: What's the story with light water CF, anyway?
I continue to update http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ GlowExper.pdf. The following update may have some interest to anyone interested in the resonances of water. ENHANCING THE DC EFFECT It may be possible to enhance the effects of the interphase by stiumulating the water at natural resonant frequencies of water. The natural vibrational frequencies of water are shown in Table 2. symmetrical antisymmetrical bendstretch stretch H2O 47.8 109.6 112.6 D2O 35.3 80.183.6 Table 2 - The vibrational frequencies of water molecule in THz. Also of interest is that H2O absorbs energy at 190, 200, 250, 300, and 400 nm wavelengths. Ed Storms' paper Critical Review of the Cold Fusion Effect, March 1, 1996, page 42 mentions 82 MHz RF signals and high current micropulses (through the cathode) as being as heat enhancing stimuli. This frequency may only be lattice related, but if cold fusion is a surface effect then this frequency may also be related in some way to the effects of water molecules . Puharich in US Patent 4,394,230 (1983), recommends some surprisingly low frequencies to reduce the energy requirements of water electrolysis, namely a fundamental carrier frequency: 3980 Hz, with strong harmonics at 7960 Hz, 15,920 Hz, 31,840 Hz, and 63,690 Hz. In the interphase the bend and symmetrical stretch frequencies would be applied in a direction normal to the anode surface, and the antisymmetrical stretch would be applied parallel to the anode surface. Horace Heffner
Re: Please protest
On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I just uploaded a statement to the front page at LENR-CANR and to the news section: The Washington Post attacks cold fusion, and ignores protests by researchers. I assume several researchers protested. If you have not already done so, please send a short message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] They will ignore it but anyway, I would like to be sure that what I just wrote at LENR-CANR.org is correct, at least ex post facto. I think a short message along these lines would be fine: Regarding: Barely a Drop of Fraud by Bettyann Holtzmann Kevles, January 8, 2006, p. B03. The statements about cold fusion in this article are inaccurate and unfair. Cold fusion was never debunked. On the contrary, it was widely replicated after 1989, and many peer-reviewed journal papers describing these replications have been published. Say it your own way, of course. Perhaps we could send one message signed by many people? Probably not. It is worth the effort organizing a petition because they will ignore us for sure. - Jed What email address to use? There are a number of them http:// www.washpost.com/news_ed/news/contact_news.shtml. Are you suggesting letters to the editor for publishing? Horace Heffner
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
Horace Heffner wrote: On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Cool! That seems like the right direction to go. I confess I didn't see that on the web site -- it looked like the solid state talk all just had to do with any kind of fusion taking place within a metal lattice, which would include all CF experiments I'm familiar with. Certainly it includes wet-cell electrolysis-based CF as well as gas-loaded finely-divided Pd experiments. Oh, I forgot that the catalyst must be raised to a fairly high temperature, and then the temperature controlled so there is no run- away heat that destroys the catalyst. This does require some initial power input, and some control energy input, so the COP is not really infinite. I don't recall this technology actually proving out upon testing, but I don't know what happened since it was a big deal in sci.physics.fusion in 1999-2000 and on vortex July 2001. I know EarthTech's replication results were negative: http:// www.earthtech.org/experiments/index.html. But EarthTech never succeeds in reproducing anything, and it always turns out they've done the experiment so differently from the original that there was no hope of its working ... right? Or do I have them mixed up with somebody? Maybe this time it was different
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: But EarthTech never succeeds in reproducing anything, and it always turns out they've done the experiment so differently from the original that there was no hope of its working ... right? Or do I have them mixed up with somebody? Maybe this time it was different Well, it *is* true that Scott Little gained a reputation on vortex for a psychic ability to suppress cold fusion. You know, a negative telekinetic quantum observation thingy. 8^) OTOH, Scott's excellence in calorimetry may be the reason for all the negative results. If you listen to Dennis Cravens though, who has had stuff on Scott's bench, Scott has a psychological tendency to shut things down just when they are about ready to get cooking. I've had much help over the years from Scott Little, and trust his methods and integrity thoroughly. If I were to actually invest cash in a new energy thing (other than one of my crackpot ideas of course) I'd want to get his data on it. I wouldn't want to sell something the customer could unconsciously psychically block from functioning. Not for me to worry though. I'm out of experimenting money. My wife and I are retired, and I think she's had about enough of this crackpot experimenting stuff, and all my ugly junk. 8^) And here I am procrastinating on getting ready for income taxes. In the dog house, Horace Heffner
Re: What's the story with light water CF, anyway?
- Original Message - From: Horace Heffner Also of interest is that H2O absorbs energy at 190, 200, 250, 300, and 400 nm wavelengths. Do you have a reference for these UV lines ? BTW the main cosmological frequencies used to spot water are the H2O vapor absorption peaks at around 180 GHz and 320 GHz and there is also strong microwave absorption of water at around 22 GHz. This later one is not a simple rotational transition but it is the most used by cosmologists, I have read, as the others are out of range of inexpensive precision instrumentation. Jones
Re: D2Fusion Library
Must be so. I'm not a lert; but, figgered it out anyway. Btw, it's Bwaaa, ha, ha . . . -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Ha, ha. Alert users will figure out where the papers are. That is the beauty of the Internet. - Jed ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
It's called the Little Effect. It's the anthesis of the Hutchison Effect. ;-) -Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence But EarthTech never succeeds in reproducing anything, and it always turns out they've done the experiment so differently from the original that there was no hope of its working ... right? ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Off Topic: Analysis - what does that word mean?
Analysis - what does that word mean? Is analysis dead or is a new analysis emerging? Harry - What follows has been copied from: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analysis/index.html#4 See this link for complete text. - Analysis Analysis has always been at the heart of philosophical method, but it has been understood and practised in many different ways. Perhaps in its broadest sense, it might be defined as disclosing or working back to what is more fundamental by means of which something can be explained (which is often then exhibited in a corresponding process of synthesis); but this allows great variation in specific method. The dominance of analytic¹ philosophy in the English-speaking world, and increasingly now in the rest of the world, might suggest that a consensus has formed concerning the role and importance of analysis. But this begs the question as to what analysis¹ means. On the other hand, Wittgenstein's later critique of analysis in the early (logical atomist) period of analytic philosophy, and Quine's attack on the analytic-synthetic distinction, for example, have led some to claim that we are now in a post-analytic¹ age. But such criticisms are only directed at particular conceptions of analysis. If we look at the history of philosophy (and even if we just look at the history of analytic philosophy), we find a rich and extensive repertoire of conceptions of analysis which philosophers have continually drawn upon and reconfigured in different ways. Analytic philosophy is alive and well precisely because of the range of conceptions of analysis that it involves. It may have fragmented into various interlocking subtraditions, but those subtraditions are held together by both their shared history and their methodological interconnections. It is the aim of this article to indicate something of the range of conceptions of analysis in the history of philosophy and their interconnections, and to provide a bibliographical resource for those wishing to explore analytic methodologies and the philosophical issues that they raise. *1. General Introduction *1.1 Characterizations of Analysis *1.2 Guide to this Entry *Supplementary Document: Definitions and Descriptions of Analysis *2. Ancient Conceptions of Analysis and the Emergence of the Regressive Conception *Supplementary Document: Ancient Conceptions of Analysis *1. Introduction *2. Ancient Greek Geometry *3. Plato *4. Aristotle *3. Medieval and Renaissance Conceptions of Analysis *Supplementary Document: Medieval and Renaissance Conceptions of Analysis *1. Medieval Philosophy *2. Renaissance Philosophy *4. Early Modern Conceptions of Analysis and the Development of the Decompositional Conception *Supplementary Document: Early Modern Conceptions of Analysis *1. Introduction *2. Descartes and Analytic Geometry *3. British Empiricism *4. Leibniz *5. Kant *5. Conceptions of Analysis in the 19th Century *Supplementary Document: Conceptions of Analysis in the 19th Century [Not yet available] *1. Introduction *2. German Idealism and Romanticism *3. Neo-Kantianism and Scientific Philosophy *4. British and American Philosophy *5. Bolzano *6. Conceptions of Analysis in Analytic Philosophy and the Emergence of the Logical Conception *Supplementary Document: Conceptions of Analysis in Analytic Philosophy *1. Introduction *2. Frege *3. Russell *4. Moore *5. Wittgenstein *6. The Cambridge School of Analysis *7. Carnap and Logical Positivism *8. Oxford Linguistic Philosophy *9. Contemporary Analytic Philosophy *7. Conclusion *Bibliography *Other Internet Resources *Related Entries 1. General Introduction This section provides a preliminary description of analysis -- or the range of different conceptions of analysis -- and a guide to this article as a whole. 1.1 Characterizations of Analysis If asked what analysis¹ means, most people today immediately think of breaking something down into its components; and this is how analysis tends to be officially characterized. In the Concise Oxford Dictionary (6th ed.), for example, analysis¹ is defined as the ³resolution into simpler elements by analysing (opp. synthesis)², the only other uses mentioned being the mathematical and the psychological. And in the Oxford Dictionary of Philosophy, analysis¹ is defined as ³the process of breaking a concept down into more simple parts, so that its logical structure is displayed² (Blackburn 1996, 14). The restriction to concepts and the reference to displaying logical structure¹ are important qualifications, but the core conception remains that of breaking something down. This conception may be called the decompositional or resolutive conception of analysis (see
Re: Off Topic: Analysis - what does that word mean?
Analysis - what does that word mean? Would it be mean... (or just average) to say this article leads one to the conclusion that 'analysis' requires a rather 'anal' predisposition? G
Re: Please protest
Horace Heffner wrote: What email address to use? There are a number of them http:// www.washpost.com/news_ed/news/contact_news.shtml. Are you suggesting letters to the editor for publishing? Goodness, there are a lot of addresses. Not sure. I send something yesterday to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but in the letters section they say you should write to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . and include your name and address. - Jed
Re: Please protest
I think it's worth a protest for the simple reason that it will make the newspaper aware that there actually is interest in cold fusion out there. It might even lead to a follow-up article. Actually, the mainstream press has been rather quiet about cold fusion recently. 2004 was a banner year for cold fusion coverage in the mainstream media with coverage from the New York Times to Nature, in the wake of the DOE report. 2005 was kind of quiet. 2006? - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Please protest Horace Heffner wrote: What email address to use? There are a number of them http:// www.washpost.com/news_ed/news/contact_news.shtml. Are you suggesting letters to the editor for publishing? Goodness, there are a lot of addresses. Not sure. I send something yesterday to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but in the letters section they say you should write to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . and include your name and address. - Jed
Fw: Mention of Cold Fusion
Jed and Vorts, - Original Message - From: RC Macaulay To: editor Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:50 PM Subject: Mention of Cold Fusion Reference: "Barely a Drop of Fraud" by Bettyann Holtzmann Kevles, January 8, 2006, p. B03. Reporting that cold fusion researchhas been " debunked" ignores the increase in related categories of research and technology advances that have resultedfrom the candid publishing of scientific works in cold fusion. The technology falloutalone has been beneficial to firms such as ours that are not in the energy related business. We find the enthusiasm of these research scientists to challenge us. It is refreshing that theyalso publish their failures which, perhaps therein, lies the problem some establishment types have with competition. Richard Macaulay 3942 Hartfield Rd. Round Top, Tx 78954-5132 979 249-5757
Re: thoughts about D2fusion technology
George's work. Since Les Case is involved it is reasonable they are Who said Les Case is involved? Where's this information from? I'm quite surprised to hear that considering the nature of the last phone conversation I had with him. S
Re: Off Topic: Analysis - what does that word mean?
Jones Beene wrote: Analysis - what does that word mean? Would it be mean... (or just average) to say this article leads one to the conclusion that 'analysis' requires a rather 'anal' predisposition? G ;-) Not necessarily. At the site it says this: The word analysis¹ derives from the ancient Greek term analusis¹. The prefix ana¹ means up¹, and lusis¹ means loosing¹, release¹ or separation¹, so that analusis¹ means loosening up¹ or dissolution¹. The term was readily extended to the solving or dissolving of a problem, and it was in this sense that it was employed in ancient Greek geometry and philosophy. Harry
NEW ENERGY TIMES (tm) JAN. 10, 2006 -- Issue #14
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Re: Off Topic: Analysis - what does that word mean?
Hmmm Your thinking is retentive. My thinking is constipated. ;-) Harry Jones Beene wrote: QED From: Harry Veeder Analysis - what does that word mean? Would it be mean... (or just average) to say this article leads one to the conclusion that 'analysis' requires a rather 'anal' predisposition? G ;-) Not necessarily. At the site it says this: The word Oanalysis¹ derives from the ancient Greek term Oanalusis¹. The prefix Oana¹ means Oup¹, and Olusis¹ means Oloosing¹, Orelease¹ or Oseparation¹, so that Oanalusis¹ means Oloosening up¹ or Odissolution¹. The term was readily extended to the solving or dissolving of a problem, and it was in this sense that it was employed in ancient Greek geometry and philosophy. Harry
