Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Nick Palmer uploads video on Climategate
I'm asking because I can't recall anybody ever quoting documents from that office. The NYTimes did (this must be the paper the French journalist refers to in his blog and documentary): http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/08/politics/08climate.html Michel 2009/12/10 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com: On 12/09/2009 05:51 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: You're right Rick that suppression can occur even in the US: http://premiereslignes.blogs.nouvelobs.com/archive/2009/12/08/enfumes.html (in French, sorry) Intéressant, peut-etre, mais je parie que Rick ne trouverait pas ce blog très amusant. The example of Patrick Michaels, evil climatologist churning out dubious reports, would be more surprising if he hadn't been with the Cato Institute. I mean, everybody already knows those guys are just a mouthpiece for the far right and the oil lobby, don't they? I actually had a serious (though maybe rather dumb) question, regarding the last part of the blog: What was Philip Cooney's actual impact with regard to the reports that he allegedly watered down? I mean, who actually sees the publications produced by the Environmental Quality Council of the Whitehouse? Was this stuff just being given to Bush (i.e., was this a way of manipulating the Prez)? Or are their reports widely published and read? I'm asking because I can't recall anybody ever quoting documents from that office.
Re: [Vo]:neutron formation in LENR
Well, I had a good early night's sleep but I see the conversation train has moved well on down the tracks! 8^) I would like to say that I think WL's approach is very different from mine. Perhaps I should re-read their articles, but I haven't seen anything in their approach that resembles mine. As for attribution to my work, I am an amateur, and I write with amateurs in mind as an audience, though not for a popular literature audience. I use mostly advanced high school level math, so expect anything I write to be accessible to advanced high school or early college students. Being an amateur, I don't expect there will be any recognition or citations in journals, though that would be great if it happened. It has to be enough to stimulate the thinking of others. If that contributes to solving the energy problem then that is good enough. My product is ideas, with some synthesis and analysis. Ideas alone have a limited value. If you think about it there is really very little that can go on in hydrogen fusion. You have a limited number of isotopes which can interact in a very limited number of ways to produce a limited number of products, atomically speaking. You have a literature which has dealt with a very limited number of experimental approaches. For a field of this importance, there has been a very limited set of people dedicated to solving the problems. What distinguishes one theory from another is a fine line to a casual observer, especially if it happens to be one that dismisses the entire field. The principle problem in CF is how the Coulomb barrier is overcome, how two hydrogen nuclei can merge to become helium or tritium using chemical level energies. I think there are basically four camps on this: (1) the barrier is breached by actual neutrons only, singly or in clusters, (2) the barrier is breached by electrons and hydrogen nuclei bound strongly enough, well below ground state, that the Coulomb force can't tear them apart before they get close enough to fuse by tunneling, (3) the barrier is breached by a group action, principally by formation of a quantum condensate in which the wave functions are spread out enough to fuse, and (4) the barrier is breached by separate electrons and nuclei which remain bound only at chemical energy levels or less, but by a means in which one or more electrons catalyze the reaction through Coulomb screening. Another categorization is theories which describe CF as (A) as a surface effect only, or (B) a 3D effect within a lattice, or (C) both. WL fall into group 1A, though their pre-fusion neutron formation process might fall into group 3A. Deflation fusion is in group 4C. We are about as far apart in the spectrum of approaches as possible. Another categorization might be (a) theories that explain with hydrogen fusion only and theories which (b) also explain heavy element transmutation. I expect this would be a sensitive and possibly not useful categorization because there are about as many theories as theorists, and each theorist seems to think his theory, and only his theory, explains everything. I put WL in overall category 1Aa, and deflation fusion in 4Cb because the WL theory ignores neutron activation, and neutron absorption can not explain the lack of signatures for heavy element transmutations, the energy deficit that must be created in the newly fused nuclei. What sets my theory apart from most others is the recognition that an electron and hydrogen nucleus can overcome the Coulomb barrier by *jointly* tunneling through it. The electron doesn't have to be bound to the hydrogen nucleus at above chemical energy to overcome the Coulomb barrier. Another important principle is that a small wavelength electron is also necessary, even though its potential plus kinetic energy remains at near ground state. This necessarily involves the high kinetic energies of an electron when near a hydrogen nucleus. The small wavelength electron is key to creating the energy deficit that exists in the fused products and which changes branching ratios and eliminates almost all high energy signatures. Ultimately it may be revealed there is a host of things happening in CF experiments. However, it is likely that only one theory will open the flood gates of practical progress. It is only necessary to understand and control one robust mechanism for producing excess heat. I expect and hope the deflation fusion concept might help accomplish that. It yields two major design principles: (1) increase tunneling diffusion in the lattice, hopping rates, *as opposed to ordinary atomic diffusion*, and (2) increase the probability of the deflated state by orbital stressing. Achieving (1) involves using smaller lattice constant material, imposing diffusion barriers in the lattice that force tunneling, using lattice dopants which create
[Vo]:Fiore cartoon on Science-gate
See: http://www.sfgate.com/comics/fiore/ This cartoon says it includes actual quotes from scientists such as Einstein, revealing their human side. I believe these are actual quotes. I recognize several of them. - Jed
[Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
(Move over Soylent Green. How many kilowatt-hr do you weigh?) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6753705/Crematorium-to-use-burning-bodies-to-generate-electricity.html http://tinyurl.com/ylqbjos Published: 4:20PM GMT 07 Dec 2009 Hastings Borough Council in East Sussex says it would be the first in Europe to invest in technology which converts excess heat from cremations into reusable energy. It hopes new generators, being installed next summer as part of an £800,000 refit, will save money in the long run by cutting energy bills. Hastings Borough Council amenities manager Peter Mead said the recycled power would not come directly from the bodies but from the machines used to cremate them and filter the fumes. He said: A crematorium uses vast amounts of energy. We buy about £25,000 worth of gas a year. Clearly we want to be as energy efficient as we can be. The first part would be to use that heat, but the second stage is to use it to generate electricity. They need to first see whether it will technically work, but if it does it would be the first in the UK or Europe. end
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: (Move over Soylent Green. On the other hand: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665824,00.html 12/08/2009 Stone Age Mystery German Excavation Reveals Signs of Mass Cannibalism By Angelika Franz Was it mass cannibalism, ritual slaughter or both? Archaeologists who unearthed the remains of 500 Stone Age corpses in the German town of Herxheim say the meat was cut off their bones as if they were livestock. One conclusion is that the people were eaten -- after volunteering to be sacrificed. more
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
Terry sez: On the other hand: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665824,00.html 12/08/2009 Stone Age Mystery German Excavation Reveals Signs of Mass Cannibalism By Angelika Franz Was it mass cannibalism, ritual slaughter or both? Archaeologists who unearthed the remains of 500 Stone Age corpses in the German town of Herxheim say the meat was cut off their bones as if they were livestock. One conclusion is that the people were eaten -- after volunteering to be sacrificed. For a less palatable interpretation of this practice see The Road http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/ Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
This gives new meaning to heat after life At 09:55 AM 12/10/2009, you wrote: (Move over Soylent Green. How many kilowatt-hr do you weigh?) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6753705/Crematorium-to-use-burning-bodies-to-generate-electricity.html http://tinyurl.com/ylqbjos
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
or heat after death At 10:16 AM 12/10/2009, you wrote: This gives new meaning to heat after life At 09:55 AM 12/10/2009, you wrote: (Move over Soylent Green. How many kilowatt-hr do you weigh?) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/6753705/Crematorium-to-use-burning-bodies-to-generate-electricity.html http://tinyurl.com/ylqbjos
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
On 12/10/2009 01:00 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Terry Blantonhohlr...@gmail.com wrote: (Move over Soylent Green. On the other hand: http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,665824,00.html 12/08/2009 Stone Age Mystery German Excavation Reveals Signs of Mass Cannibalism By Angelika Franz Was it mass cannibalism, ritual slaughter or both? Archaeologists who unearthed the remains of 500 Stone Age corpses in the German town of Herxheim say the meat was cut off their bones as if they were livestock. One conclusion is that the people were eaten -- after volunteering to be sacrificed. What -- we've got the waivers they signed or something? How on Earth can anyone know that they were volunteers? Ennit funny how the Fritzel family decided to live in the cellar, eh? We can't think of any other explanation that makes sense, though -- it must have been voluntary... more
[Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR
It just occurred to me that the hypothesis of ultra cold neutrons in LENR is falsifiable ! Not only that, it should be relatively easy to do, and with a significantly large and obvious level of discrimination in side-by-side testing. As mentioned, according to the information on the Wiki site, some of it going back to Fermi, the kinetic energy near absolute zero of 300 neV neutrons corresponds to a maximum velocity of 7.6 m/s. Consequently, there will be travel from point of origin, since even with high reflectivity at first, the neutrons will be gradually thermalized and can move significant distances if there is an outside influence. Which there always will be, if you think about it. Here is the key to falsifiability: Due to the small kinetic energy of an UCN, the influence of gravity is significant. Kinetic energy of an UCN is transformed into potential (height) energy with ~102 neV/m. which is a third of total kinetic energy on formation, if they are very cold. This effect is less in proportion, as the particle warms up, but it should allow a gravity gradient to exist when capture occurs. Thus, it would seem that a small CR-39 cell of the SPAWAR variety, designed so that it can be rotated 180 degrees - so that the CR-39 is either down or up will show a rather pronounced variation in tracks if UCN are involved, due to the effect of gravity. There will be viewer per unit of time in the up position than in the down. Now that should be rather easy to pull off, no? ... or has this been tried already?
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: For a less palatable interpretation of this practice see The Road http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/ I see the movie was just released. I sure you remember the ending to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog Terry
RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Nick Palmer uploads video on Climategate
Michael - Thanks for the link. Hardly anything smells as bad to a greenie liberal these days as an oil company lobbyist, but the old saying: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I can appreciate anyone helping to reveal or hold forth against the AGW hoax and the accompanying fraud being perpetrated against us even if their contribution is discredited in many people's eyes because of their industrial or political affiliations. I endorse the changes Cooney made to the documents, as they were appropriate and truthful corrections to lies and distortions such as may be (occurring) inserted in place of the incorrect is (occurring). TMK Cooney and the Bush administration did not actually suppress the reports or attempt to hijack science like these climate hoaxers are doing and has been recently revealed, but I wish they had since this stuff is completely fraudulent to begin with. Remember too that this was for an administration based policy, and is subject to whatever the administration wants to say or not - it's a political prerogative in the first place. All administrations, current included, have the right to control what they themselves say or release, and should continue to have it. GW may be (has been?) happening, but there is no scientific basis to AGW claims, although I believe people should have the general freedom to publish for either one, or just about anything else for that matter in the proper venue. That's one of the main points arising from climategate, but it's not the only one, despite attempts by hoaxers and true believers to spinimize the damage. R.
Re: [Vo]:neutron formation in LENR
Corrected response follows (replacement of NAA with NA where appropriate): On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Steven Krivit wrote: Horace, Have you considered the possibility of neutral entities such as neutrons? Steve Yes, I have considered it. Neutrons in the lattice can not be an explanation for the number of events required to produce even modest excess heat. Neutrons produce neutron activation, i.e. make some nuclei radioactive. If neutron activation were occurring in lattice material elements it would have been discovered long ago, because neutron activation analysis (NAA) is a commonly used and well developed technique. The gamma spectra and delayed gamma production decay curves are well known and used in delayed gamma NA. This information is used to sense trace amounts of elements. Take a look at the sensitivity of NA for various elements in picograms (10^-12 g): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_activation_analysis Consider the fact that the NA sensitive elements are not only present in trace amounts in CF electrodes or electrolytes, they are primary ingredients in some experiments, e.g. Ag, Cl, Cu, Na, Ca, K, Pt, Ti, S. Also present in large quantities are sometimes: W, Ta, Th, U, V, Mo, Pb. These things are readily detectable in microgram order quantities. No matter how slow the neutrons, it is not credible NA is not happening when fusion and heavy element transmutation clearly is happening. The gammas should light up geiger counters even long after electrolysis is over. Further, the spectra and decay curves would be readily identifiable as to origin. One of the mysteries of CF is why significant high energy radiation doesn't happen as a general rule. Note that this is not to say that NA could not happen in certain environments, even from deflation fusion. It simply does not happen to a sufficient degree in typical CF experiments, so is not an explanation for the primary processes that produce the excess heat or heavy LENR that has been observed. I think the energy deficit which occurs in CF reactions, necessary to depress some He* fission channels, and the dissipation of the reaction enthalpy via multiple low energy gammas, can only occur via a free electron in the nuclear mix at the moment of fusion. What I have proposed is a means for that happening which might be confirmed by looking for rare but detectable strange matter decays from CF cells. This means not only explains the above effects, it explains how the Coulomb barrier is overcome as well. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
Terry sez: For a less palatable interpretation of this practice see The Road http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/ I see the movie was just released. I sure you remember the ending to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog I most certainly do! At least Harlan Ellison's story finishes with a Happy Meal! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR
On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Jones Beene wrote: It just occurred to me that the hypothesis of ultra cold neutrons in LENR is falsifiable ! Not only that, it should be relatively easy to do, and with a significantly large and obvious level of discrimination in side-by- side testing. As mentioned, according to the information on the Wiki site, some of it going back to Fermi, the kinetic energy near absolute zero of 300 neV neutrons corresponds to a maximum velocity of 7.6 m/s. Consequently, there will be travel from point of origin, since even with high reflectivity at first, the neutrons will be gradually thermalized and can move significant distances if there is an outside influence. Which there always will be, if you think about it. Here is the key to falsifiability: Due to the small kinetic energy of an UCN, the influence of gravity is significant. Kinetic energy of an UCN is transformed into potential (height) energy with ~102 neV/m. which is a third of total kinetic energy on formation, if they are very cold. This effect is less in proportion, as the particle warms up, but it should allow a gravity gradient to exist when capture occurs. Thus, it would seem that a small CR-39 cell of the SPAWAR variety, designed so that it can be rotated 180 degrees - so that the CR-39 is either down or up will show a rather pronounced variation in tracks if UCN are involved, due to the effect of gravity. There will be viewer per unit of time in the up position than in the down. Now that should be rather easy to pull off, no? ... or has this been tried already? Using 300 neV = 300 x 10^-9 eV = 4.807x10^-26 J. 1/2 m v^2 = (4.807x10^-26 J) v = (2*(4.807x10^-26 J)/(1.675x10^-27 kg))^(1/2) v = 7.6 m/s From: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0509269v1 The ultra low momentum neutron is created when a heavy electron is absorbed by one of many protons participating in a collective surface oscillation. The neutron wave length is thus comparable to the spatial size of the collective oscillation, say λ ∼ 10−3 cm. As I noted earlier, their arbitrary assumption of a neutron wavelength of 10^-3 m yields the value of v: lambda = h/p p = h/lambda = h/(10^-3 cm) = 6.626x10^-29 kg m/s p = m * v v = p/m = (6.626x10^-29 kg m/s)/(1.675x10^-27 kg) v = 3.96x10^-2 m/s = 0.0396 m/s Needles to say, the two velocities are highly inconsistent. WL goes on to say in the above article: An ultra low momentum neutron is thus absorbed within about ten nanometers from where it was first created. The likelihood that ultra low momentum neutrons will escape capture and thermalize via phonon interactions is very small. In ten nanometers, 1x10^-8 m, even at the higher speed of 7.6 m/s neutron will exist a mean time of (1x10^-8 m)/(7.6 m/s) = 1.316x10^-9 seconds. The speed due to gravity s_g = s_g = g * t = (9.8067 m/s^2)*(1.316x10^-9 s) = 1.285x10^-8 m/s and fall a distance d of: d = (1/2) * g * t^2 = (1/2)*(9.8067 m/s^2)*(1.316x10^-9 s)^2 d = 8.41 x 10^-18 m or about 1/100th the diameter of a nucleus. That of course assumes the WL claim that neutron is thus absorbed within about ten nanometers is valid. If a neutron of the nature WL claims survives it seems that thermalization would be the overwhelming effect - it would overwhelm gravity that is, and motion would be essentially be pure brownian in nature. It strikes me as self-evident the lack of neutron activation thoroughly denies the WL theory. It is also notable that NA is not mentioned once in their papers AFIK. Beyond that, the WL theory has many criticisms, like this critique of the heavy electron hypothesis: http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.3810 Response to the above: http://arxiv.org/abs/0802.0466v2 and on and on in the blogs etc. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
Terry: I sure you remember the ending to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog One of my favorites. I heard from the media back in around 1980 that J. Falwell was a really bad guy. No internet back then. He had a rally at the state capitol here and I lived nearby, so I went down to watch him. Do you remember from the movie the Michaels - androids with smiles stuck on their faces? Falwell had several Michaels, and there was a scene almost out of the movie when Falwell called someone out of the crowd he had previously met to come up onto the stage, a slightly built Filipino man. The Michaels apparently didn't get the memo, and as he climbed up the stairs to the stage one of them picked the poor little guy up in the air and looked he was about to give him some sort of farm accident (pop his head like a zit) with Falwell struggling from behind to get the Michael's attention and release his victim. Through the whole thing the sanctimonious smile on the Michael's face never changed! In the movie the Dear Leader asked his security guy or engineer to see about getting those smiles fixed, and so it seems he never did. Although the incident was funny and amazing at the time, I believe that movie was made some years before Falwell arose to notoriety but the similarities between Falwell and the crazy religious dictator with his killer robots were horrifying. I left the rally that day with the same feeling in my stomach I got swimming in dark water near a harbor entrance and seeing a fin cutting water towards me that was so big at first I mistook it for a submarine conning tower. Glad it all worked out: the giant shark just wanted the fish guts washed off deck by a returning sampan, and Falwell has since diminished to nothing. And ... wait for it...at least the shark had good taste!* R. (*Spoiler alert: paraphrasing the last line from the movie)
RE: [Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner That of course assumes the WL claim that neutron is thus absorbed within about ten nanometers is valid As you go on to imply, that particular version is almost certainly not valid, due to NA, and is probably undergoing revision as we speak ... ;-) but of greater interest would be this: Is there a version of the broader UCN dynamic, using published characteristics of the same instead of a tailor-made invention, which stands up better to criticism and do involve NA ? This might go back many years. The weight of evidence for helium in LENR, based on known reactions prior to 1989 together with lack of ~24 MeV gamma - still favors alpha release from Pd via adsorption of a neutron - and a subthermal neutron and with activation fits the bill if it will emit no gamma ... which is in keeping with the 'virtual neutron' (Russel, 1991; Dufour, 1993; Kozima and Arai, 2000) and the related hydrex (Dufour et al., 2001). That would be as an alternative to other theories, or even other results with no theory - where both helium and NA are witnessed (via transmutation perhaps) and not forgetting ... of course ... that tomorrow's version of WL may be different, new improved, and so on ... when they realize these old errors are insurmountable, and make the necessary changes. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
I haven't seen it . . . yet; but, I'll put it in my Netflix queue. What are you doing here with all those 50 ft. curls on the islands?!? Don't body surf 50 footers? :-) Terry On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote: Terry: I sure you remember the ending to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog One of my favorites. I heard from the media back in around 1980 that J. Falwell was a really bad guy. No internet back then. He had a rally at the state capitol here and I lived nearby, so I went down to watch him. Do you remember from the movie the Michaels - androids with smiles stuck on their faces? Falwell had several Michaels, and there was a scene almost out of the movie when Falwell called someone out of the crowd he had previously met to come up onto the stage, a slightly built Filipino man. The Michaels apparently didn't get the memo, and as he climbed up the stairs to the stage one of them picked the poor little guy up in the air and looked he was about to give him some sort of farm accident (pop his head like a zit) with Falwell struggling from behind to get the Michael's attention and release his victim. Through the whole thing the sanctimonious smile on the Michael's face never changed! In the movie the Dear Leader asked his security guy or engineer to see about getting those smiles fixed, and so it seems he never did. Although the incident was funny and amazing at the time, I believe that movie was made some years before Falwell arose to notoriety but the similarities between Falwell and the crazy religious dictator with his killer robots were horrifying. I left the rally that day with the same feeling in my stomach I got swimming in dark water near a harbor entrance and seeing a fin cutting water towards me that was so big at first I mistook it for a submarine conning tower. Glad it all worked out: the giant shark just wanted the fish guts washed off deck by a returning sampan, and Falwell has since diminished to nothing. And ... wait for it...at least the shark had good taste!* R. (*Spoiler alert: paraphrasing the last line from the movie)
Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
Oh, now I remember. Okay, I'm putting ABHD in my queue. Terry On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen it . . . yet; but, I'll put it in my Netflix queue. What are you doing here with all those 50 ft. curls on the islands?!? Don't body surf 50 footers? :-) Terry On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Rick Monteverde r...@highsurf.com wrote: Terry: I sure you remember the ending to this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog One of my favorites. I heard from the media back in around 1980 that J. Falwell was a really bad guy. No internet back then. He had a rally at the state capitol here and I lived nearby, so I went down to watch him. Do you remember from the movie the Michaels - androids with smiles stuck on their faces? Falwell had several Michaels, and there was a scene almost out of the movie when Falwell called someone out of the crowd he had previously met to come up onto the stage, a slightly built Filipino man. The Michaels apparently didn't get the memo, and as he climbed up the stairs to the stage one of them picked the poor little guy up in the air and looked he was about to give him some sort of farm accident (pop his head like a zit) with Falwell struggling from behind to get the Michael's attention and release his victim. Through the whole thing the sanctimonious smile on the Michael's face never changed! In the movie the Dear Leader asked his security guy or engineer to see about getting those smiles fixed, and so it seems he never did. Although the incident was funny and amazing at the time, I believe that movie was made some years before Falwell arose to notoriety but the similarities between Falwell and the crazy religious dictator with his killer robots were horrifying. I left the rally that day with the same feeling in my stomach I got swimming in dark water near a harbor entrance and seeing a fin cutting water towards me that was so big at first I mistook it for a submarine conning tower. Glad it all worked out: the giant shark just wanted the fish guts washed off deck by a returning sampan, and Falwell has since diminished to nothing. And ... wait for it...at least the shark had good taste!* R. (*Spoiler alert: paraphrasing the last line from the movie)
[Vo]:Light show in Norway's sky
Possibly a failed test of a Russian rocket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMSQRI1dSs longer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8CssCIrs-A harry __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Vo]:Light show in Norway's sky
Oh, come on Harry, we all know it was a worm hole opening for Lord Kukulcan's return: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/194/8/6/Quetzalcoatl___Kukulcan_by_GENZOMAN.jpg Terry On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Possibly a failed test of a Russian rocket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMSQRI1dSs longer video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8CssCIrs-A harry __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php
Re: [Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR
On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner That of course assumes the WL claim that neutron is thus absorbed within about ten nanometers is valid As you go on to imply, that particular version is almost certainly not valid, due to NA, and is probably undergoing revision as we speak ... ;-) but of greater interest would be this: Is there a version of the broader UCN dynamic, using published characteristics of the same instead of a tailor-made invention, which stands up better to criticism and do involve NA ? This might go back many years. The weight of evidence for helium in LENR, based on known reactions prior to 1989 together with lack of ~24 MeV gamma - still favors alpha release from Pd via adsorption of a neutron - and a subthermal neutron and with activation fits the bill if it will emit no gamma ... I don't know why a neutron would not act like a neutron. which is in keeping with the 'virtual neutron' (Russel, 1991; Dufour, 1993; Kozima and Arai, 2000) and the related hydrex (Dufour et al., 2001). Do you have URLs on those? That would be as an alternative to other theories, or even other results with no theory - where both helium and NA are witnessed (via transmutation perhaps) and not forgetting ... of course ... that tomorrow's version of WL may be different, new improved, and so on ... when they realize these old errors are insurmountable, and make the necessary changes. Jones Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
RE: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity
Terry - Back in the day I'd go large. Now I hide from them along with the other sane folks. - R. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:12 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Crematorium to use burning bodies to generate electricity I haven't seen it . . . yet; but, I'll put it in my Netflix queue. What are you doing here with all those 50 ft. curls on the islands?!? Don't body surf 50 footers? :-) Terry
RE: [Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR
Horace wrote: I don't know why a neutron would not act like a neutron. Let me take a stab at that one... Perhaps because it's in a fully D-loaded palladium lattice, where other things aren't acting like they 'should'? ;-) Yeah, I know, that wasn't much help... -Mark -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hheff...@mtaonline.net] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Falsifiability of cold neutrons in LENR On Dec 10, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner That of course assumes the WL claim that neutron is thus absorbed within about ten nanometers is valid As you go on to imply, that particular version is almost certainly not valid, due to NA, and is probably undergoing revision as we speak ... ;-) but of greater interest would be this: Is there a version of the broader UCN dynamic, using published characteristics of the same instead of a tailor-made invention, which stands up better to criticism and do involve NA ? This might go back many years. The weight of evidence for helium in LENR, based on known reactions prior to 1989 together with lack of ~24 MeV gamma - still favors alpha release from Pd via adsorption of a neutron - and a subthermal neutron and with activation fits the bill if it will emit no gamma ... I don't know why a neutron would not act like a neutron.
