[Vo]:Krivit: Rossi Report #5
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Report5-Rossis-Profitable-Career-in-Science.shtml New Energy Times attempts to demonstrate the profitability of the alleged investment scheme. //Excerpt of note: Energy Catalyzer Patent Applications - Italian Deadline Approaches A deadline is approaching for Rossi and his Italian patent. In the U.S., there is no requirement for an inventor to reduce his or her invention to practice - that is, to make and sell it. But in Italy, there is. According to Marco Porsia, a patent and trademark attorney in Italy, if Rossi does not manufacture and sell his E-Cats within four years of the filing date of his Italian patent, he loses his exclusive rights to the Italian patent. If he defaults on a reduction to practice, he must issue a compulsory license on request to anyone who wants to use his patent. Rossi's deadline is in a month, on April 9. When a U.S. and EPO patent is issued, the inventor can sit on it doing nothing for the life of the patent. But this is not true in Italy. There, the inventor must reduce to practice or make and sell his invention (not just prove it works in a demonstration) to keep and hold his exclusive rights to his patent. According to Italian law, Rossi must also maintain continuous production and sales, or he could lose his rights. Even though Rossi has led many people to believe that he has sold a device and he has such a facility, he has shown no evidence of either. //
Re:[Vo]:Eutectic alloys
Am I wrong to lump Casimir, Hall, pyrophoric and Eutectic effects as all related by dispersion forces? There are numerous theories for the occurrence of natural resonances inside lattices and skeletal catalysts so let me add one more, these clusters , time crystals or other labels for condensed hydrogen are being forced into geometric patterns like the mysterious nanoscale crop circles mentioned here http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120302101819.htm but only in their condensed metal like form such that when they translate back to their individual free roaming state they obey gas motion and Casimir forces. This would put 2 natural forces in opposition with each other and provide yet another asymmetrical path to extract energy if we can keep these atoms at some critical state centered around this transition point and encourage them to oscillate between states. Perhaps the very act of extracting energy could be harnessed to aid the atoms into falling back into a condensed state. Fran Roarty, Francis X Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:26:51 -0800 Mystery of the Nanoscale Crop Circles solved http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120302101819.htm When two solids are combined in just the right proportions, changes in chemical bonding may produce an alloy that melts at a temperature far lower than either can melt by itself. Such an alloy is called eutectic, Greek for good melting. The eutectic alloy of gold and silicon -- 81 percent gold and 19 percent silicon -- is especially useful in processing nanoscale semiconductors such as nanowires, as well as for device interconnections in integrated circuits; it liquefies at a modest 363˚ Celsius, far lower than the melting point of either pure gold, 1064°C, or pure silicon, 1414°C. I'm sensing a pattern here, Casimir, Pyrophoric action minus oxygen and now Eutectic all possibly related? Can hydrogen or clusters act like a metal alloy to harness the Eutectic effect? Fran
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: This is what it should look like. However I think the solution is to not have a frame embedded within a frame in the first place. What you need is to have the tool bar (menu bar?) at the top, attached to the same frame that is displayed in http://lenr-canr.org/index/Summary/Summary.php, WordPress is inflexible and will not allow you to ditch the frames. I think I will go with the easy solution. I am tired of this project. - Jed
[Vo]:New Energy Times claim
I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ?
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
Okay, I put in links to all library indexes the make it convenient to open them in new windows. See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1081 I added the Library guide page showing how to do this: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1172 I have had it with this project. Enough already. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I have had it with this project. Enough already. Despite any critical comments, you have done a remarkable job, Jed. The site is vastly improved and has a modern look. Why not consider some simple advertising links? You deserve to offset your costs and I would have no trouble ignoring such advertising on the web site. :-) T
[Vo]:New Energy Times claim
I certainly cannot explain it.Just finished reading it. Still waiting on the bit where Krivit says he will reveal "Followers of the Rossi story ask, "What is Rossi's endgame? If the Energy Catalyzer doesn't work, how could he stand to profit?" This analysis will answer these questions."Annoyed that I won't get those 15 minutes of my life back.One thing that bugs me is why does Krivit describe himself as "Senior Editor"? In all the time I've read anything on New Energy Times there doesn't appear to be any other staff other than Krivit to be senior to, unless the cleaner has a column hidden somewhere. Original Message Subject: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim From: "Jones Beene" jone...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, March 08, 2012 7:49 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ?
Re: [Vo]:To RF or Not to RF
Jojo, I'll try to send You an assessment of the situation from an electronics point of view, hopefully this weekend. RF could potentially do something good, concerning overall COP, but I doubt that any of the current designs ever used RF. The setup would be nontrivial, and I cannot see that in any of the current designs. If properly implemented, it eventually could boost COP considerably, but nobody knows. Anyway, I try to show You the problems, when RF is applied to into your design. Complexity-wise this can easily multiply in the overall-design. If the COP would be then maybe 100 instead of 6 or so, it would be worth the effort, economy-of-scale-wise, but this , to my opinion is a second-order optimization task, and not one of replicating a medium-sized COP, which would be the first step in a home-grown setup. Von: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com An: Frank Znidarsic fznidar...@aol.com; Axil janap...@gmail.com; Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com; Vortex Vortex-l@eskimo.com; Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Gesendet: 23:58 Dienstag, 6.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:To RF or Not to RF Frank, Jones, Axil, Guenter, thanks for the insights. I have attached the most current visio file of my envisioned reactor setup. Can you help?
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
he needs a gullible investor, or a fraudulent investor wanting to find a bigger gullible investor, he's probably learned the game with his previous fraudulent work On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ?
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com wrote: he needs a gullible investor, or a fraudulent investor wanting to find a bigger gullible investor, he's probably learned the game with his previous fraudulent work He has not learned it very well, has he? If he is a con-man, he is the most inept con-man in Italy and Florida, which is saying a lot. Consider one thing that Krivit wrote: These people have also been impressed with the fact that Rossi has entered into discussions with prestigious companies such as National Instruments and institutions such as NASA. Although Rossi has managed to get his foot in the door, none of those discussions has led to research agreements. Rossi has, however, used those discussions to boost his credibility. Krivit described the NASA visit in some of his earlier columns. I have discussed the visit with several other people, and I confirm many aspects of Krivit's description. This visit was a flaming fiasco. If this is how Rossi boosts his credibility how could he diminish his credibility? Perhaps by meeting the NASA people at the door naked, with a shotgun? As far as I know Rossi has done absolutely nothing to boost his credibility. On the contrary, everything he has done has blasted his credibility to ribbons. I get the impression he does care about credibility, or about what other people think. No con-man can survive with this attitude. Regarding the NASA visit, the one aspect of it that I think Krivit reported incorrect is the impression of the NASA people have of Rossi. They did not leave the place thinking Rossi is a fake or that the steam from his device is insufficient. They left thinking that Rossi is a strange person who did not show them what he said he would. They cannot judge his claims. Naturally, they were upset, but they were not convinced he is a fraud. I do not think there is any evidence he is a fraud. There are appearances or an impression he makes, but that is not evidence. Like Jones Beene, I cannot imagine any method by which he could defraud people with this, and I have not heard that anyone has been defrauded. As far as I know, no one has even paid for a machine, but I could be wrong about that. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
Using the phrase "gullible investors" is the equivalent of the "swamp gas" excuse in UFO literature.Investors take risks, and they have the money to do so - that is the whole nature of being an investor. The anti free energy brigade try to paint investors as dear old ladies about to lose their life savings to dodgy doorstep salesmen. Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim From: Jeff Driscoll hcarb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, March 08, 2012 8:16 am To: vortex-l@eskimo.com he needs a gullible investor, or a fraudulent investor wanting to find a bigger gullible investor, he's probably learned the game with his previous fraudulent work On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ?
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
Why not consider some simple advertising links? You deserve to offset your costs and I would have no trouble ignoring such advertising on the web site. :-) T I agree, it will not make you rich but at least to pay the hosting costs. If you do not like the ads, explain how to make a contribution to support the site with paypal. mic
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
I meant to say Rossi DOES NOT care about credibility. Here is an astounding statement from Krivit: How did highly educated professionals in the scientific community not recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story? How did they not see the scientific failure of Rossi's claim? Is there any person familiar with Rossi who does not recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story?!? Who the hell is Kivit talking about? I and other have compiled lists of contradictory technical statements made by Rossi. There is such a flood of these, I can't keep up with them. I would not try to keep up with his contradictory assertions about his personal business. Krivit seems to think that he alone sees this, and the rest of us are blind to it. This is like looking at Niagara falls and thinking you are the only person who notices all that water and everyone else is oblivious to it. Fortunately, these multiple contradictions have no bearing on the scientific success or failure of the claim. That can only be established with reference to instrument readings, palpable heat, physical laws and other objective evidence. Despite the poor quality of Rossi's tests, they have proved beyond doubt that the claims are true. Rossi's personality and his contradictory claims about his business cannot affect this conclusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Bulk Calorimetry Performed on E-Cat?
I'd still like to see an experiment which eliminates the possibility of external energy entering the system (a la the thermocouple being plugged in backwards). But alas I think this will have to wait for a third party. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:01 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: One of the tests proposed that gets away from a lot of the variables is to take a body of water with a known temperature and mass, and repeatedly recirculate it producing a higher temperature for the body of water from which can be derived a lower bound on the energy. I call this bulk calorimetry as opposed to flow. On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean by bulk calorimetry? Isoperibolic? - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
In anyone's opinion (especially Jed), and in order of convincingness for an investor that wants to invest, which should be the most convincing Rossi tests (include the date to reduce confusion)? Also, are there any competent scientists who have *carefully* looked at any Defkalion tests and put the weight of their reputation behind it? Christos Stremmenos? What I mean by carefully is did they check every wire and work closely with the calibration? I suppose no one really knows but what is the best answer to this? On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I meant to say Rossi DOES NOT care about credibility. Here is an astounding statement from Krivit: How did highly educated professionals in the scientific community not recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story? How did they not see the scientific failure of Rossi's claim? Is there any person familiar with Rossi who does not recognize the multiple contradictions in the Rossi story?!? Who the hell is Kivit talking about? I and other have compiled lists of contradictory technical statements made by Rossi. There is such a flood of these, I can't keep up with them. I would not try to keep up with his contradictory assertions about his personal business. Krivit seems to think that he alone sees this, and the rest of us are blind to it. This is like looking at Niagara falls and thinking you are the only person who notices all that water and everyone else is oblivious to it. Fortunately, these multiple contradictions have no bearing on the scientific success or failure of the claim. That can only be established with reference to instrument readings, palpable heat, physical laws and other objective evidence. Despite the poor quality of Rossi's tests, they have proved beyond doubt that the claims are true. Rossi's personality and his contradictory claims about his business cannot affect this conclusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Requesting recommendations on Web Authoring tools animation generation packages
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, it will not make you rich but at least to pay the hosting costs. If you do not like the ads, explain how to make a contribution to support the site with paypal. True. I contribute to several sites both with and without ads. I recognize the value I receive from them and am willing to pay. I ignore most ads, still; although, many of the google mail ads are applicable to things that I am seeking and I visit the ad sites. T
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
At 04:49 PM 3/7/2012, Jones Beene wrote: I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ? Krivit isn't totally explicit. But you get money for research and development. Which somehow is all spent. Rossi did it before, that's a big part of Krivit's report. Good job for Steve, by the way. If the money goes to a corporation, Rossi can get salary and other benefits from the corporation, and only if fraud is proven can he get nailed. The public claims he makes mean nothing, legally, because an investor is supposed to do due diligence. The actual representations *in writing* are what count. Verbal representations might count in a fraud action, if not contradicted by the writing, and if they can be proven. Often, though the actual contract will say that the parties are not bound by verbal representations, and the skilled, legal con artist will look at the customer and say, Of course, my lawyer requires me to have this in here, and quite a few, even some smart people, will fall for it. But look at his eyes, how could a man with such a face be lying through his teeth? Easily. Some people are really good at it. Look at the video Lewan took in that alledged excess heat demonstration, where Lewan turns quickly back to Rossi, who certainly looks as if he's been manipulating the heat. So Lewan then looks back at the bucket, to check if things are the same, not realizing that Rossie would probably have been doing the opposite of what Lewan may have immediately suspected. *Restoring* the former settings, not changing them from them. The first change wasn't observed. Rossi's face, at that point, looked to me like he'd been caught in the act, but he knew how to keep up the appearance of innocence. If he was doing something legitimate in the middle of the test, simple: he'd have disclosed it. He'd have said to Lewan, I need to turn down the heat, because ... , or the reverse. Rossi, however, looks like a con artist, it is blatant. Rossi might also end up slammed. So? People go to jail all the time because they thought they could get away with stuff. That he might be risking a fraud charge is, in no way, a proof that there is no fraud! This is what is very, very clear: if Rossi is not a con artist, he has gone far out of his way to appear to be one. We have speculated that he might have a commercial motive for this, and it's a possibility. However, we should, most of his, treat him as if the appearance he has created is real. There is another important possibility, that Rossi did find some substantial excess heat, but hasn't been able to make it reliable, see below. Since he needs to make demonstrations, he nudges them when he needs to,under this theory. Absent conclusive proof, we cannot know for sure. I wish that certain prominent cold fusion researchers, real scientists, had followed my advice about caution, early last year. It looks really, really bad, having spent some recent time with a pile of pseudoskeptics. They take this stuff and run with it. Not that we should care that much, but it helps to maintain the general skepticism, whenever a prominent cold fusion researcher demonstrates what certainly looks like gullibility. The rest of the field gets discredited by association. That Rossi is following a known possibility, NiH, doesn't change this at all. Just because that possibility exists does not mean that Rossi has found the secret of exploiting it. Further, he might even be getting some serious heat, sometimes. That doesn't mean that he's found a way to make the reaction reliable, and that's the real Holy Grail of Cold Fusion, reliability. We know the effect exists, there is serious proof for that -- or at least for some kind of deuterium fusion in PdD, through the helium correlation -- but what has been totally elusive, from the beginning, is reliability as to the magnitude of the effect, and sustaining it long-term. Those are requirements for any commercial product, with little exception. (one could make a chaotic, relatively unpredictable reaction, work in a product by vastly scaling it down and then running vastly redundant cells, so that an overall average reaction rate is very reliable, and a massively increased reaction rate is effectively impossible. In fact, this is what is effectively done in many products, but it's concealed, it doesn't look like that. It looks reliable. Nuclear process in general are unpredictable at the individual reaction level! They are only predictable, overall, statistically.) Bottom line, there is no evidence that anyone has done this, as to what has been published. I'm seeing some stuff, but privately. So maybe. But that I say this here means nothing as to what people should accept and trust. It's a rumor, hearsay, unverifiable at present, right?
RE: [Vo]:Eutectic alloys
Interesting correlation. Are you using “dispersion forces” to mean the London Dispersion Force. Too bad Grimer is not around these days - to fit this into his different layered aether geometries… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_dispersion_force From: Roarty, Francis X Am I wrong to lump Casimir, Hall, pyrophoric and Eutectic effects as all related by dispersion forces? There are numerous theories for the occurrence of natural resonances inside lattices and skeletal catalysts so let me add one more, these clusters , time crystals or other labels for condensed hydrogen are being forced into geometric patterns like the mysterious nanoscale crop circles mentioned here http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120302101819.htm but only in their condensed metal like form such that when they translate back to their individual free roaming state they obey gas motion and Casimir forces. This would put 2 natural forces in opposition with each other and provide yet another asymmetrical path to extract energy if we can keep these atoms at some critical state centered around this transition point and encourage them to oscillate between states. Perhaps the very act of extracting energy could be harnessed to aid the atoms into falling back into a condensed state. Fran Roarty, Francis X Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:26:51 -0800 Mystery of the Nanoscale Crop Circles solved http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120302101819.htm When two solids are combined in just the right proportions, changes in chemical bonding may produce an alloy that melts at a temperature far lower than either can melt by itself. Such an alloy is called eutectic, Greek for good melting. The eutectic alloy of gold and silicon -- 81 percent gold and 19 percent silicon -- is especially useful in processing nanoscale semiconductors such as nanowires, as well as for device interconnections in integrated circuits; it liquefies at a modest 363˚ Celsius, far lower than the melting point of either pure gold, 1064°C, or pure silicon, 1414°C. I'm sensing a pattern here, Casimir, Pyrophoric action minus oxygen and now Eutectic all possibly related? Can hydrogen or clusters act like a metal alloy to harness the Eutectic effect? Fran
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
This is not a good job by Steve. It borders on bogosity. Yes - Rossi may manage to draw a decent salary for a few years for RD by creating a scam - but that is NOT even close to getting rich. -Original Message- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax I read through all of this - and still do not understand how Rossi will get rich without a working device. Can anyone explain it ? Krivit isn't totally explicit. But you get money for research and development. Which somehow is all spent. Rossi did it before, that's a big part of Krivit's report. Good job for Steve, by the way. If the money goes to a corporation, Rossi can get salary and other benefits from the corporation, and only if fraud is proven can he get nailed. The public claims he makes mean nothing, legally, because an investor is supposed to do due diligence. The actual representations *in writing* are what count. Verbal representations might count in a fraud action, if not contradicted by the writing, and if they can be proven. Often, though the actual contract will say that the parties are not bound by verbal representations, and the skilled, legal con artist will look at the customer and say, Of course, my lawyer requires me to have this in here, and quite a few, even some smart people, will fall for it. But look at his eyes, how could a man with such a face be lying through his teeth? Easily. Some people are really good at it. Look at the video Lewan took in that alledged excess heat demonstration, where Lewan turns quickly back to Rossi, who certainly looks as if he's been manipulating the heat. So Lewan then looks back at the bucket, to check if things are the same, not realizing that Rossie would probably have been doing the opposite of what Lewan may have immediately suspected. *Restoring* the former settings, not changing them from them. The first change wasn't observed. Rossi's face, at that point, looked to me like he'd been caught in the act, but he knew how to keep up the appearance of innocence. If he was doing something legitimate in the middle of the test, simple: he'd have disclosed it. He'd have said to Lewan, I need to turn down the heat, because ... , or the reverse. Rossi, however, looks like a con artist, it is blatant. Rossi might also end up slammed. So? People go to jail all the time because they thought they could get away with stuff. That he might be risking a fraud charge is, in no way, a proof that there is no fraud! This is what is very, very clear: if Rossi is not a con artist, he has gone far out of his way to appear to be one. We have speculated that he might have a commercial motive for this, and it's a possibility. However, we should, most of his, treat him as if the appearance he has created is real. There is another important possibility, that Rossi did find some substantial excess heat, but hasn't been able to make it reliable, see below. Since he needs to make demonstrations, he nudges them when he needs to,under this theory. Absent conclusive proof, we cannot know for sure. I wish that certain prominent cold fusion researchers, real scientists, had followed my advice about caution, early last year. It looks really, really bad, having spent some recent time with a pile of pseudoskeptics. They take this stuff and run with it. Not that we should care that much, but it helps to maintain the general skepticism, whenever a prominent cold fusion researcher demonstrates what certainly looks like gullibility. The rest of the field gets discredited by association. That Rossi is following a known possibility, NiH, doesn't change this at all. Just because that possibility exists does not mean that Rossi has found the secret of exploiting it. Further, he might even be getting some serious heat, sometimes. That doesn't mean that he's found a way to make the reaction reliable, and that's the real Holy Grail of Cold Fusion, reliability. We know the effect exists, there is serious proof for that -- or at least for some kind of deuterium fusion in PdD, through the helium correlation -- but what has been totally elusive, from the beginning, is reliability as to the magnitude of the effect, and sustaining it long-term. Those are requirements for any commercial product, with little exception. (one could make a chaotic, relatively unpredictable reaction, work in a product by vastly scaling it down and then running vastly redundant cells, so that an overall average reaction rate is very reliable, and a massively increased reaction rate is effectively impossible. In fact, this is what is effectively done in many products, but it's concealed, it doesn't look like that. It looks reliable. Nuclear process in general are unpredictable at the individual reaction level! They are only predictable, overall, statistically.) Bottom line, there is no evidence that anyone has done this, as to what has been published. I'm seeing some stuff, but privately. So maybe. But
[Vo]:Brace Yourselves
The particles are a comin'; http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/07/solar-flare-heads-for-earth/?hpt=hp_c1 (Not yet the big one.) T
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
I think that the total scam is not an option, however it is clear that Rossi is overconfident, overanticipating. It is possible and even probable that he lied more or less, even possible he make fake demo jus to get time to find the working recipe... I'm afraid he is lying much, but just to get time to find what he expect to be the easy to find result. maybe I'm wrong, but both the total scam, or the working device des not match the fact. IMHO something have worked so well that convince him to bend the facts to get time. How far bend ? note that this behavior is typical of scientist when they have the usual funding problem, and they are convinced something huge is near their finger... In books by BroadWade (La Souris Truquee in French, maybe Betrayer of the Truth... dunno) they talk about such a researcher that finally paint a mouse to look genetically patched... stupid fraud that burned his career... I've made a long post on the question of collective delusion, scientific frauds, here http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=40 but it also contains references that can match the individual delusion and fraud. just a point, forget about black white TRUTH, truthers and liers... as Dr House says, everybody lies... and as attorneys, (cited by a famous french blogging attorney, Maitre Eolas) your first reflex will be to lie, your second will be to lie, then maybe you will do what we advise you to do. (sorry to cite TV series, but they gather some basic human knowledge. about scam artist, White Collar gather many classic data about scam artist... about real case, note that scam artist are mostly short term brilliant, and long term stupid) about Roland Benabou theory of self delusion, note that initial belief is normally based on truth and rational analysed of expected benefit. the delusion came only when things look like they are different and you will lose much. Delusion protect your perceived asset from crash, for some time. 2012/3/8 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net This is not a good job by Steve. It borders on bogosity. Yes - Rossi may manage to draw a decent salary for a few years for RD by creating a scam - but that is NOT even close to getting rich.
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
I am kind of tired of hearing about Rossi. I would really like to hear more about Defkalion. They waged a pretty good PR compaign with their announcements and forum while it was operating. They published professional looking specs. They showed some actual lab equipment and test benches not just some carpenter tools like Rossi. To me they lend more credibility to Rossi than Rossi does himself (ie. there must have been some kW heat output albeit unstable from Rossi before the contract was terminated) and they have advanced it. Krivit has been very quiet about Defkalion. Everyone else seems to only claim 10s to 100s of Watts of output vs 10s to 100s of kWatts out for Defkalion (and Rossi). DGT is my last best hope that this thing(LENR) is almost ready for prime time... On Wednesday, March 7, 2012, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the total scam is not an option, however it is clear that Rossi is overconfident, overanticipating. It is possible and even probable that he lied more or less, even possible he make fake demo jus to get time to find the working recipe... I'm afraid he is lying much, but just to get time to find what he expect to be the easy to find result. maybe I'm wrong, but both the total scam, or the working device des not match the fact. IMHO something have worked so well that convince him to bend the facts to get time. How far bend ? note that this behavior is typical of scientist when they have the usual funding problem, and they are convinced something huge is near their finger... In books by BroadWade (La Souris Truquee in French, maybe Betrayer of the Truth... dunno) they talk about such a researcher that finally paint a mouse to look genetically patched... stupid fraud that burned his career... I've made a long post on the question of collective delusion, scientific frauds, here http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=40 but it also contains references that can match the individual delusion and fraud. just a point, forget about black white TRUTH, truthers and liers... as Dr House says, everybody lies... and as attorneys, (cited by a famous french blogging attorney, Maitre Eolas) your first reflex will be to lie, your second will be to lie, then maybe you will do what we advise you to do. (sorry to cite TV series, but they gather some basic human knowledge. about scam artist, White Collar gather many classic data about scam artist... about real case, note that scam artist are mostly short term brilliant, and long term stupid) about Roland Benabou theory of self delusion, note that initial belief is normally based on truth and rational analysed of expected benefit. the delusion came only when things look like they are different and you will lose much. Delusion protect your perceived asset from crash, for some time. 2012/3/8 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net This is not a good job by Steve. It borders on bogosity. Yes - Rossi may manage to draw a decent salary for a few years for RD by creating a scam - but that is NOT even close to getting rich.
Re: [Vo]:New Energy Times claim
maybe a question of language (Rossi is more anglo-saxon introduced) or prevalence (first on the market). clearly for an engineer Defkalion have a more clear behavior, even when silent. note that my conviction of DGT is that the independent testers are so afraid to talk alone that they ask for total radio silence until they all gather their result and talk together each backing the other results... (for detail on my reasoning see that post http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=61#p107 ) anyway rossi have something, simply : - he makes awful translation mistakes, fast writing... - he lies to hoide problems, and maybe even fraud a little to win time - he is a bad engineer, ignoring modern methodology, and most important using other competence. but he seems to have learned recently to use help (maybe by force). 2012/3/8 Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com I am kind of tired of hearing about Rossi. I would really like to hear more about Defkalion. They waged a pretty good PR compaign with their announcements and forum while it was operating. They published professional looking specs. They showed some actual lab equipment and test benches not just some carpenter tools like Rossi. To me they lend more credibility to Rossi than Rossi does himself (ie. there must have been some kW heat output albeit unstable from Rossi before the contract was terminated) and they have advanced it. Krivit has been very quiet about Defkalion. Everyone else seems to only claim 10s to 100s of Watts of output vs 10s to 100s of kWatts out for Defkalion (and Rossi). DGT is my last best hope that this thing(LENR) is almost ready for prime time... On Wednesday, March 7, 2012, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the total scam is not an option, however it is clear that Rossi is overconfident, overanticipating. It is possible and even probable that he lied more or less, even possible he make fake demo jus to get time to find the working recipe... I'm afraid he is lying much, but just to get time to find what he expect to be the easy to find result. maybe I'm wrong, but both the total scam, or the working device des not match the fact. IMHO something have worked so well that convince him to bend the facts to get time. How far bend ? note that this behavior is typical of scientist when they have the usual funding problem, and they are convinced something huge is near their finger... In books by BroadWade (La Souris Truquee in French, maybe Betrayer of the Truth... dunno) they talk about such a researcher that finally paint a mouse to look genetically patched... stupid fraud that burned his career... I've made a long post on the question of collective delusion, scientific frauds, here http://184.171.250.170/~lenrforu/lenrforum/viewtopic.php?f=3t=40 but it also contains references that can match the individual delusion and fraud. just a point, forget about black white TRUTH, truthers and liers... as Dr House says, everybody lies... and as attorneys, (cited by a famous french blogging attorney, Maitre Eolas) your first reflex will be to lie, your second will be to lie, then maybe you will do what we advise you to do. (sorry to cite TV series, but they gather some basic human knowledge. about scam artist, White Collar gather many classic data about scam artist... about real case, note that scam artist are mostly short term brilliant, and long term stupid) about Roland Benabou theory of self delusion, note that initial belief is normally based on truth and rational analysed of expected benefit. the delusion came only when things look like they are different and you will lose much. Delusion protect your perceived asset from crash, for some time. 2012/3/8 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net This is not a good job by Steve. It borders on bogosity. Yes - Rossi may manage to draw a decent salary for a few years for RD by creating a scam - but that is NOT even close to getting rich.
