Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:The Greenland High
When you have a central pressure of 946 mb any normal pressures will seem high. On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, Robert Lynn wrote: I don't doubt it - Rossby waves (meanders in the polar jet stream) do sometimes create locally anomalous behaviours - like the Russian heat wave of a few years back, or in this case a blocking high over Greenland. They are responsible for most extreme or long duration persistence in weather at temperate latitudes. On 6 November 2012 05:08, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I can attest that the National Weather Forecast Discussion for Hurricane Sandy did indeed describe this ridge of high pressure over Greenland. This was as it was moving north past Florida and the Carolinas, several days before it made (second) landfall in New Jersey. They called this area of high pressure anomalous or extremely anomalous or some words to that effect. Jeff On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:57 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: People who get rich off of climate change research (academics and green fund-raisers/politicians) like to claim that climate change leads to more 'extreme weather' like hurricanes, droughts etc, but they only get away with it because of short human memories. Actual data shows that there is no upwards trend and the last few years have been very quiet. In fact for hurricanes the cycle appears to follow the 60year Pacific Decadal Oscillation, and if anything the trend is downwards with increasing temperature: http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/03/29/global_hurricane_energy_1974_2011.png http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2008/01/28/warming-reduces-landfalling-hurricanes-again/ On 5 November 2012 11:06, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Hurricane Sandy grabbed matter and energy from the atmosphere around her. Climate change gives her more energy to consume and she formed an accretion disk around her orbiting particle center. She was organized by the mass and angular momentum of the orbiting particle and was steered into the location near Albion New York where she first entered the Earth and shutdown the Erie Canal for repairs this summer.. As she had a closed string orbit at sub, relativistic speeds, she attracted other particles orbiting in the area and they all followed string interactions according to M Theory, resulting in some of the beautiful photos of ice halos and rainbows interacting before she arrived, all aligning/interacting with the more massive Sandy Particle. Stewart Darkmattersalot.com On Monday, November 5, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: The first clearly recognizable consequence of global warming has insinuated itself into our lives, and as we have all feared these consequences will not be good. This weather feature is called the “Greenland High” a stationary dome of high pressure. It has taken up residence over Greenland and this weather pattern was the guiding force that steered and strengthened the nor’easter/hurricane Sandy forcing it ashore onto the Mid-Atlantic shoreline. Another nor’easter is due to form in the middle of this week and be guided by the jet stream once again up the eastern sea board. This year’s winter will be abnormally cold due to the diving jet stream. Any low pressure system moving across the country will be redirected south then north following the same storm track as Sandy: These weakly repeating nor’easters will dive into the Southern states, where they will pick up moisture from the Gulf of Mexico, next they will strengthen off of the coast of the Carolina’s and then proceed up the East Coast, dumping rain and wind, then when the cold of the winter sets in, snows in prodigious amounts. For those who live in the eastern third of the US, you will be in for a hard and snowy winter, so get your snow blowers and emergency generators serviced and in good working order, get in a lot of wood in for your stoves and enjoy an extended case of cabin fever. If you own a place on the Atlantic shoreline, you will be in for some major problems and loss. The weakly p
Re: [Vo]:Yet another physics website where anonymous trolls rule
2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Cold fusion has been suppressed. Not by powerful people at oil companies. Not by evil people trying to preserve academic funding. No, it has been suppressed by stupid people. Very Stupid People. Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. - Friedrich Schiller Great quotes... whether you hesitate between Machiavellianism and stupidity, best bet is on the latest (quote used by Madelin a French politician ) Roland Benabou theory even says that the best reason to fall into denial is to be involved in the question (to have something to lose, or to accept to have lost). innovation specialist clearly state that to make innovation you have to be alien, stubborns and have similar friends network... note also, that following other controversies I observe that part of the reason to reject roughly dissenters is that there is more and more dishonest rhetoric used by people with agenda (politic, religion, enviro, big biz). The attorney/media culture... and as explain wiki on hyperskepticism, arguing is impossible without some honesty on both side... there is one moment where either you let it go, or became corrupted on equal level... then it became a second natural behavior... It is also much more comfortable and one have a limited budget of controvery one can manage. For LENR I see two bad behaviors, liked to lasiness: - the one that say, that they don't understand how it can work, thus it is false (it is stupid to say that it cannot work, because QM allow manything we cannot compute, like WL claims) - the one that see that they cannot find a way using QM to make it work, thus think that QM is false... in fact, I feel that we don't have yet enough data, not enough knowledge in using QM, to exclude QM is compatible with LENR... and since it is much more compatible with known facts than other theories, QM can be the first bet... and anyway, first job is to gather data. note also that at low energy (low stakes) ad hominem, precaution, conformism, is a good heuristic... but when stakes get higher, crazy, corrupted, honest or rational people can get as much genius, dishonest and stupid... only way to guess the truth is to read yourself the data, but since you are not competent normally, what you win on reducing group effect , you lose it on misinterpretation... a kind of heisenberg inequality... This mean that there is no good way to get the truth, other than to make experiments... human profiling filtering is not reliable at high energy.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
Is it the people or the system (communism) that is evil? No doubt it's both. Evil men come up with the Evil System which in turn breeds Evil men to power. These atrocities are by no means isolated to Mao. These atrocities are visible and clear halmarks of the communist philosophy. Name a single communist state that did not commit these atrocities. I'll buy you an expensive steak lunch if you can do so. Name a people who's under the yoke of communism who do not yearn to be free from it? Yet despite the horrors and atrocities of communism, there are still thieves up in Washington who will imposed it (communism) on Americans. What is even sadder is how lazy bum Americans are letting him, just so that they can receive some discretionary income to buy that new Blu-Ray HDTV gizmo. How the usurper-in-thief could win re-election is beyond me. Little do they realize that the re-election of this communist-in-thief is a form of judgement on them. By this token, Americans do deserve the recession and the pain and suffering they are getting. Oh, my heart bleeds for the pain and suffering of my Adopted country that I love. When will Americans wake up and repent? I guess this would be my last post as I am about to be banned for political hatred. For since when is telling the truth considered political hatred? Truth is NOT treason my friends. And saying the truth about Bambi is NOT political hatred. Jojo - Original Message - From: Robert Lynn To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea They are incredibly evil people. Read this harrowing account of a child bought up in one of their concentration camps who managed to escape http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/mar/16/escape-north-korea-prison-camp, China, morally and ethically bankrupt, is totally to blame for their continued existence via their support of the regime as a buffer between themselves and the West. This support is perhaps not totally surprising given their recent record of being run by the number 1 most evil man in history: From 1958 to 1962 Mao's efforts to collectivise China caused roughly 53m unnecessary deaths. Most of these were by starvation- perhaps 15% by the deliberate withdrawing of food from 'undesirables' (that is those who opposed the madness ). People who were too old , too young or sick were also denied food. In one town the locals queued night and day for the opportunity to dig clay that they then ate.- 250,000 tonnes of it. Many of these people died of constipation, others from ruptured sphincters. 5% to 10% of the total deaths were by executions or beatings. At this time China was shipping food to Soviet Russia, East Germany, Albania and Cuba to maintain the pretence that there was no famine. In socialist fervour, local cadres inflated local harvests- to the point that when the state then took it's 30%, there was none left at all. The hierarchy were not fooled by these inflated figures- but they took the harvests anyway. Today Mao's birthplace it was basically a shrine with thousands queueing up daily to worship the great helmsman. What is wrong with the Chinese? It scares me that such people will soon run the world. On 6 November 2012 02:20, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: At least it was mostly painless. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: ** Is it the people or the system (communism) that is evil? No doubt it's both. Evil men come up with the Evil System which in turn breeds Evil men to power. These atrocities are by no means isolated to Mao. These atrocities are visible and clear halmarks of the communist philosophy. Name a single communist state that did not commit these atrocities. I'll buy you an expensive steak lunch if you can do so. Name a people who's under the yoke of communism who do not yearn to be free from it? Yet despite the horrors and atrocities of communism, there are still thieves up in Washington who will imposed it (communism) on Americans. What is even sadder is how lazy bum Americans are letting him, just so that they can receive some discretionary income to buy that new Blu-Ray HDTV gizmo. How the usurper-in-thief could win re-election is beyond me. Little do they realize that the re-election of this communist-in-thief is a form of judgement on them. By this token, Americans do deserve the recession and the pain and suffering they are getting. Oh, my heart bleeds for the pain and suffering of my Adopted country that I love. When will Americans wake up and repent? I guess this would be my last post as I am about to be banned for political hatred. For since when is telling the truth considered political hatred? Truth is NOT treason my friends. And saying the truth about Bambi is NOT political hatred. Elsewhere: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com viahttp://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=enctx=mailanswer=1311182 eskimo.com 11:14 AM (20 hours ago) to vortex-l May I also suggest that you crack down on off-topic posts also. Only a few people are chronic offenders and they won't listen to reason since they have been here a long time and are simply gabbing with friends, and of course, they make up the rules as we go. I strongly believe that off-topic post clearly destroy this forum and its science value and I strongly advocated for moderation of such behavior only to be ignored and ostracized. You need to enforce your rule 2, even if the offender is popular here. No one should be beyond the rules no matter how well loved and popular he may be in this forum - that is if you want your forum to remain useful and relevant. But if you are interested in mob rule here, then so be it. Jojo ROFL!
[Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries
As we make our way to the voting polls, and as we ponder the future of CF/LENR technology... first a brief word from a member of the Vort Collective A Personal Essay I suspect the impression many of us have these days is that we have become a nation entrapped by sharply divided opinions. It's easy to forget the fact that throughout our country's history we have had to weather through a diverse number of sharply divided political agendas. Aggravating matters, every four years presidential elections tend to add a dramatic flair to the entire situation. Perhaps it would be more diplomatic to say that we are a nation possessed with many diverse opinions trying to learn how to better tolerate the diversities of others for which we don't necessarily approve of. Throughout our nation's history there have been controversial issues that the population became polarized over. For example we fought a bloody civil war that nearly ripped us apart over the slavery issue. Later, we fought political battles that eventually gave women the right to vote. And then there was that damned temperance movement. In hindsight, we often seem to scratch our heads and wonder why certain issues, such as granting half of the adult population, the right to vote was considered such a terrify issue - at the time, that is. As we proceed head-first into the second decade of the 21st century it would appear that we are now gearing up to eventually give individuals who are of a different sexual orientation (gays and lesbians) the same legal and contractual rights that heterosexuals have always enjoyed. What's delaying the process? A number conservative organizations are pulling out all the stops to promote a belief that marriage must remain defined as practiced between a man and a woman. Many of them believe that marriage if practiced in any other permutation would not only be an immoral act; but to redefine the institution would be detrimental to the very moral fiber of the nation. An example of a conservative religious organization that disapproves of one particular public official with an openly gay life-style, Wisconsin representative, Tammy Baldwin, a lesbian U.S. house member, who is currently running against former Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thomson for a U. S. Wisconsin senate seat, is the religious organization called: Pilgrims Covenant Church: http://www.pccmonroe.org/Homosexuality/tammybaldwin.htm IMO, the adherents of beliefs such as those expressed by Pilgrims Covenant Church will eventually lose the battle to prevent same-sex marriage from being legalized. They will lose for the same reasons as those who fought to uphold slavery, or to prevent women the right to vote, or to stop troubled individuals who needed our help from getting stinking-rotten drunk, lost similar battles. They will eventually lose because a majority of the voting population will realize the simple fact that what many believe must remain enshrined and sacredly protected, for better or for worse, ends up infringing on the personal rights of those they disapprove of. The blatant hypocrisy that ensues eventually becomes evident - perhaps because as a nation we were born from the sons and daughters of immigrants. I think we cannot help but sympathize with the underdog - their plight. Eventually we take action and correct such injustices. In the current same-sex marriage struggle I don't think it's so much about fighting against a certain group's desire to acquire the same personal rights that heterosexuals enjoy. It has instead become a desperate need for certain individuals (of a conservative persuasion) to defend a contrived definition of where their own personal boundaries reside. Conservative organizations have successfully inculcated into their membership the definition of a particular belief as if it had been introduced into the host in the form of a seemingly benign virus. That virus has managed to attach itself to the personal boundaries of many individuals. The result of such an attachment means they must now defend and protect what they perceive to be a threat to their personal boundaries - a belief that marriage should only be practiced between a man and a woman. This was done, I suspect, because many conservative organizations realized the fact that it wouldn't be all that effective to try to rally a conservative oriented membership around a belief that gays and lesbians shouldn't simply be prevented from acquiring the same rights that they have always enjoyed. The point being: how does allowing gays and lesbians the right to marry each other affect their own personal rights or well-being. The truth trying to be obscured here is the simple fact that it doesn't! Therefore, in order to obscure the actual truth a new and much more personally felt danger had to be manufactured: The need to protect the sanctity of one's own personal boundaries. That personal boundary must include marriage as defined between a man and a woman.
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
Laugh your heart out my friend, I myself am laughing at my own posts. I posted this response on Jed's off topic thread to deliberately hijack his thread to try to prove a point. That there is no rule of rule here in Vortex. The banning of Loren was an arbitrary exercise of owner power.I am cognizant of the fact that my response is a violation of the spirit of my first complaint about off topic posts. I want to try to see how Bill would treat my off topic response to an off-topic thread. What can I say, I always try to stand up for people I feel were not given a fair shake. I thoroughly read Loren's political hatred posts and I do not see any egregious violations more than the other egregious violations already happenning here. For the most part, he told the truth. There are those who deserve to be banned here for blatant, repeated and egregious violations of the rules of this forum; and yet are tolerated and even celebrated. The only reason why Loren was banned is because of his views, because he attacked our messiah-in-thief. The banning was arbitrary. If Bill wanted to be enforce his rules, he should. I see two blatant violators of rules here that seems to be given more leeway than Loren has been afforded. Now, if Bill wanted to ban all political and religious threads, he should do so fairly and ban all violators; not give political threads he agrees with more leeway. But, if he simply wants to exercise his option as owner, then he should just do so and stop pretending otherwise. Well, I guess this is the end of the rope for me. I don't see much more leeway for my political hatred and religious posts anymore. Goodbye my friends. May you live in Interesting times with your newly minted messiah-in-thief. LOL Jojo - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: Is it the people or the system (communism) that is evil? No doubt it's both. Evil men come up with the Evil System which in turn breeds Evil men to power. These atrocities are by no means isolated to Mao. These atrocities are visible and clear halmarks of the communist philosophy. Name a single communist state that did not commit these atrocities. I'll buy you an expensive steak lunch if you can do so. Name a people who's under the yoke of communism who do not yearn to be free from it? Yet despite the horrors and atrocities of communism, there are still thieves up in Washington who will imposed it (communism) on Americans. What is even sadder is how lazy bum Americans are letting him, just so that they can receive some discretionary income to buy that new Blu-Ray HDTV gizmo. How the usurper-in-thief could win re-election is beyond me. Little do they realize that the re-election of this communist-in-thief is a form of judgement on them. By this token, Americans do deserve the recession and the pain and suffering they are getting. Oh, my heart bleeds for the pain and suffering of my Adopted country that I love. When will Americans wake up and repent? I guess this would be my last post as I am about to be banned for political hatred. For since when is telling the truth considered political hatred? Truth is NOT treason my friends. And saying the truth about Bambi is NOT political hatred. Elsewhere: Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com via eskimo.com 11:14 AM (20 hours ago) to vortex-l May I also suggest that you crack down on off-topic posts also. Only a few people are chronic offenders and they won't listen to reason since they have been here a long time and are simply gabbing with friends, and of course, they make up the rules as we go. I strongly believe that off-topic post clearly destroy this forum and its science value and I strongly advocated for moderation of such behavior only to be ignored and ostracized. You need to enforce your rule 2, even if the offender is popular here. No one should be beyond the rules no matter how well loved and popular he may be in this forum - that is if you want your forum to remain useful and relevant. But if you are interested in mob rule here, then so be it. Jojo ROFL!
RE: [Vo]:lorenhe...@aol.com blocked from vortex: political hatred
From Jeff I have been relaxed about off-topic postings because I'm relatively new to the group and was following the lead of others. If there's a desire to enforce that rule more strictly I will be happy to stop doing it. Jeff, I think you'll do fine if you observe Mr. Beaty's rules. Despite what certain individuals profess, there is occasionally room for a few OT discussions... particularly if one prefixes the subject thread with OT (Off Topic) - and make it a point NOT to hijack the purpose of what Vortex-l had originally designed to address. Keep in mind the fact that Mr. Jaro is just as much a newbie as you may feel you are. Therefore IMO it does not necessarily serve your best needs to give Jojo's opinions any more weight than what's due. In other words, you don't need to take on Jojo's personal boundary issues here. I personally addressed the matter by filtering Jojo out of my mail box. Others have done the same thing too. I did so not because Jojo is a bad person. I filtered Jojo out because I have my own limitations. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: At least it was mostly painless. Yeah. They zeroed in first. They might've used him for target practice. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
But probably the excuse of lack of respect for the former president is just an excuse for a random feud between generals. Both father and son are most likely only puppets of the military junta. 2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: At least it was mostly painless. Yeah. They zeroed in first. They might've used him for target practice. - Jed -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Magnetic Manipulation of Active Species - Plasma, Lattice Trapped Protons ...
G'Day, Another piece of the puzzle: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a437433.pdfsa=Uei=DviYUNC3I4T68gTHkoDoBwved=0CCUQFjAHusg=AFQjCNG778qpHEgmUmao2_8c3zx4egKCjQ and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fugt1aPsVWU/TbQ1X3IGgbI/LMY/S Brilliant work being proposed and carried out by experimentalists. Chen
Re: [Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries
AND ... the blatant, repeated and egregious violations of the rules continue and without consequence I might add. And since this liberal from Wisconsin have violated both of Bill's rules of no politics and no regilious posts; I will respond with a response which contains both a political and religious content. Let's see how I am treated; which might restore my faith in Bill after all. First of all, various views should be tolerated if it does not violate the fundamentals on which this country was founded on. Let me zero in of one particular fundamental right - that of Private Property. As long as the debate does not center on violating this fundamental right, then it should be tolerated. But when the debate centers and calls for the violation of a fundamental right - the confiscation of your income - a violation of Private Property rights; then it should not be tolerated. By the same token that my religion must not be imposed on a godless liberal, his desire to steal my income via income redistribution should not be imposed on me. Both are fundamental rights. Liberals like to point out that Christians should not impose their religious views on them, but they turn around and violate our fundamental rights by stealing from us hard earned income for redistribution. We can debate any and tolerate anything as long as the sacrosanct rights are not negotiable. Everyone can agree on that. The moment the debate centers on violation of fundamental rights, it is no longer your right to do so. That is not what FREEDOM means. That is why we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. But nowadays, our criminal-in-thief simply treats that fundamental law as toilet paper and libtards from Wisconsin rejoice over it. On the issue of gay marriage ... by redefining what marriage means, aren't you forcing your belief on me? Marriage is an Institution established by God. The authority of marriage by virtue of its origins and basis of authority is religious in nature. Marriage can only be defined within the context of religion. If two homos would like to cavort and slime all day long, they are free to do so; just don't call it Marriage as that cavorting can not derive its authority from God. Call it something else. Don't impose your definition of what you think it should be on me, as you are violating the same right of mine, of which you are complaining I am violating. On the same token, gays should not impose their personal belief on our impressionable young children in public schools. Gay, lesbian and bisexual are NOT the 3rd, 4th and 5th gender. There are 2 genders, male and female. NOT male, female, gay, lesbian and bisexual. Why are gays imposing their belief on us who believe otherwise. Schools would actually ask this question on their tests in public schools. What are the 5 genders?. And if a student answers male and female, his answer is marked incorrect. Isn't that imposing your belief on us who belive otherwise. For why should a Christian child suffer the consequence of an incorect answer on his test for his belief? It's one thing to ask this question and mark both answers as correct; compared to marking male and female as incorrect while marking male, female, gay, lesbian and bisexual as correct. If you do not see the injustice here, you are blind. Though you are right on one thing. New rights will be first tolerated, then celebrated, then legalized and then imposed; as America continue its Slouching towards Gommorah. No wonder God's hand of judgement is heavy on this nation. The re-election of a criminal is part of God's judgement on America as this criminal continues to ravage this nation until we are all slaves to commies and godless moon god worshippers. Jojo - Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 9:53 PM Subject: [Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries As we make our way to the voting polls, and as we ponder the future of CF/LENR technology... first a brief word from a member of the Vort Collective A Personal Essay I suspect the impression many of us have these days is that we have become a nation entrapped by sharply divided opinions. It's easy to forget the fact that throughout our country's history we have had to weather through a diverse number of sharply divided political agendas. Aggravating matters, every four years presidential elections tend to add a dramatic flair to the entire situation. Perhaps it would be more diplomatic to say that we are a nation possessed with many diverse opinions trying to learn how to better tolerate the diversities of others for which we don't necessarily approve of. Throughout our nation's history there have been controversial issues that the population became polarized over. For
Re: [Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries
Seriuosly, I'd really appreciate if you were banned. It's well known that 'godless moon worshippers' is an anti islamic attack. 2012/11/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com ** Though you are right on one thing. New rights will be first tolerated, then celebrated, then legalized and then imposed; as America continue its Slouching towards Gommorah. No wonder God's hand of judgement is heavy on this nation. The re-election of a criminal is part of God's judgement on America as this criminal continues to ravage this nation until we are all slaves to commies and godless moon god worshippers. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Yet another physics website where anonymous trolls rule
Never attribute to mere stupidity that which can be explained by unenlightened self-interest. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Cold fusion has been suppressed. Not by powerful people at oil companies. Not by evil people trying to preserve academic funding. No, it has been suppressed by stupid people. Very Stupid People. Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. - Friedrich Schiller Great quotes... whether you hesitate between Machiavellianism and stupidity, best bet is on the latest (quote used by Madelin a French politician ) Roland Benabou theory even says that the best reason to fall into denial is to be involved in the question (to have something to lose, or to accept to have lost). innovation specialist clearly state that to make innovation you have to be alien, stubborns and have similar friends network... note also, that following other controversies I observe that part of the reason to reject roughly dissenters is that there is more and more dishonest rhetoric used by people with agenda (politic, religion, enviro, big biz). The attorney/media culture... and as explain wiki on hyperskepticism, arguing is impossible without some honesty on both side... there is one moment where either you let it go, or became corrupted on equal level... then it became a second natural behavior... It is also much more comfortable and one have a limited budget of controvery one can manage. For LENR I see two bad behaviors, liked to lasiness: - the one that say, that they don't understand how it can work, thus it is false (it is stupid to say that it cannot work, because QM allow manything we cannot compute, like WL claims) - the one that see that they cannot find a way using QM to make it work, thus think that QM is false... in fact, I feel that we don't have yet enough data, not enough knowledge in using QM, to exclude QM is compatible with LENR... and since it is much more compatible with known facts than other theories, QM can be the first bet... and anyway, first job is to gather data. note also that at low energy (low stakes) ad hominem, precaution, conformism, is a good heuristic... but when stakes get higher, crazy, corrupted, honest or rational people can get as much genius, dishonest and stupid... only way to guess the truth is to read yourself the data, but since you are not competent normally, what you win on reducing group effect , you lose it on misinterpretation... a kind of heisenberg inequality... This mean that there is no good way to get the truth, other than to make experiments... human profiling filtering is not reliable at high energy.
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Nigel, Thanks for spreading that information. It is a surprising phenomenon. I believe some lightning generates neutrons and positrons, but some does not. Do you know what the conditions produce neutrons/positrons? Also, whether these conditions can be replicated in the lab? -- Lou Pagnucco And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:Magnetic Manipulation of Active Species - Plasma, Lattice Trapped Protons ...
[image: Google] http://www.google.com/ *404.* That’s an error. The requested URL /-Fugt1aPsVWU/TbQ1X3IGgbI/LMY/S was not found on this server. That’s all we know. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 8:07 AM, lc...@asia.com wrote: G'Day, Another piece of the puzzle: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a437433.pdfsa=Uei=DviYUNC3I4T68gTHkoDoBwved=0CCUQFjAHusg=AFQjCNG778qpHEgmUmao2_8c3zx4egKCjQ and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fugt1aPsVWU/TbQ1X3IGgbI/LMY/S Brilliant work being proposed and carried out by experimentalists. Chen
Re: [Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries
Seriously also, I would appreciate it also if I were banned. That will only go to show the mob rule that occurs in this forum. My friend, I did not say godless moon worshippers; that would be false. I said godless moon god worshippers; which is the truth. And how can truth be considered hatred? Are you denying the truth of what I just said, or do you simply not like what I said?. Aren't they godless; and aren't they moon god worshippers? So calling allah a moon god will get one banned but calling Jesus Christ a fairly tale is acceptable and even celebrated? Which statement is true? Jojo PS, don't bother banning me. I would have unsubscibed when you get to it. - Original Message - From: Daniel Rocha To: John Milstone Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT (but not entirely): The Evolution of Politics forces the redrawing of our Personal Boundaries Seriuosly, I'd really appreciate if you were banned. It's well known that 'godless moon worshippers' is an anti islamic attack. 2012/11/6 Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com Though you are right on one thing. New rights will be first tolerated, then celebrated, then legalized and then imposed; as America continue its Slouching towards Gommorah. No wonder God's hand of judgement is heavy on this nation. The re-election of a criminal is part of God's judgement on America as this criminal continues to ravage this nation until we are all slaves to commies and godless moon god worshippers. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:Magnetic Manipulation of Active Species - Plasma, Lattice Trapped Protons ...
The second citation is a dead link for me. The first one could have value, but is inconclusive as to gain ... compare it with a similar thruster experiment in which there is actual gain: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vq=cache:C2otmAL1dIEJ:users.rowan.edu/~marchese/final-niac.pdf+rowan+thruster+blacklighthl=engl=uspid=blsrcid=ADGEEShnUUIcSvZOoeVR8nBGfcfUba9YLnqHUuKisf3ZOHeDr2BwY1garc4ZqABluV0EDZnmJzEDwPYhv_YhPzp5EKFltSTv7AxlZRn0BYyUhAlhJxIuAwR4an30gqbTOW73qS_Bs9SGsig=AHIEtbSFppR6M04mSN8ylJmncHsZxg6iOQ -Original Message- From: lc...@asia.com G'Day, Another piece of the puzzle: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a437433.pdfsa=Uei=DviYUNC3I4T68gTHkoDoBwved=0CCUQFjAHusg=AFQjCNG778qpHEgmUmao2_8c3zx4egKCjQ and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fugt1aPsVWU/TbQ1X3IGgbI/LMY/S Brilliant work being proposed and carried out by experimentalists. Chen
[Vo]:Magnetic Manipulation of Active Species - Plasma, Lattice Trapped Protons
G'Day, Another piece of the puzzle: http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a437433.pdfsa=Uei=DviYUNC3I4T68gTHkoDoBwved=0CCUQFjAHusg=AFQjCNG778qpHEgmUmao2_8c3zx4egKCjQ and http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fugt1aPsVWU/TbQ1X3IGgbI/LMY/S Brilliant work being proposed and carried out by experimentalists. Chen
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Lou, the answer is, its complicated, but very interesting and conditions can be recreated in the lab, and the guy who knows all about this is Joe Dwyer. He has done an excellent review http://www.springerlink.com/content/l112wv31n5446564/ You also get gamma rays, and he has shown that these are generated with a down stroke (ie the bit that you don't see) and appear to be associated with the formation of each fork in the stepped leader (see fig 18). Nigel On 06/11/2012 15:27, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Nigel, Thanks for spreading that information. It is a surprising phenomenon. I believe some lightning generates neutrons and positrons, but some does not. Do you know what the conditions produce neutrons/positrons? Also, whether these conditions can be replicated in the lab? -- Lou Pagnucco And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:Yet another physics website where anonymous trolls rule
If unenlightened self-interest. is a selfish version of stupidity, I agree... many stupidities are simply people thinking that their interest is to do something that finally is stupid, and should have been easily guessed as so. someone said (who?) people often don't act reasonably, but they have good reasons to do so. people investigating on criminals and on sociopath finally seems to show that their are nor parasits, not the pretended selfish genius, just mentally restricted people... sociopath are simply unable to understands others, like deafs cannot hear noise... which make them look powerful in some case, but mostly reduce their abilities to be happy. most criminals simple over estimate their competences, are unable to see their errors, to learn from their failures, to control their emotions, their acts... they play chess like a 5 years old kid, with 1 depths analysis. Quite efficient to hunt cockroach, not to win chess. many stupidities seen about denial, is simply inabilities to accept losses (like gamblers, traders, corps, voters) leading to accumulations of debts. In some cas it is the opposite, fear of evident debt, that could help payback greater losses later... the non-entrepreneur spirit... 2012/11/6 James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com Never attribute to mere stupidity that which can be explained by unenlightened self-interest. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/11/6 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Cold fusion has been suppressed. Not by powerful people at oil companies. Not by evil people trying to preserve academic funding. No, it has been suppressed by stupid people. Very Stupid People. Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. - Friedrich Schiller Great quotes... whether you hesitate between Machiavellianism and stupidity, best bet is on the latest (quote used by Madelin a French politician ) Roland Benabou theory even says that the best reason to fall into denial is to be involved in the question (to have something to lose, or to accept to have lost). innovation specialist clearly state that to make innovation you have to be alien, stubborns and have similar friends network... note also, that following other controversies I observe that part of the reason to reject roughly dissenters is that there is more and more dishonest rhetoric used by people with agenda (politic, religion, enviro, big biz). The attorney/media culture... and as explain wiki on hyperskepticism, arguing is impossible without some honesty on both side... there is one moment where either you let it go, or became corrupted on equal level... then it became a second natural behavior... It is also much more comfortable and one have a limited budget of controvery one can manage. For LENR I see two bad behaviors, liked to lasiness: - the one that say, that they don't understand how it can work, thus it is false (it is stupid to say that it cannot work, because QM allow manything we cannot compute, like WL claims) - the one that see that they cannot find a way using QM to make it work, thus think that QM is false... in fact, I feel that we don't have yet enough data, not enough knowledge in using QM, to exclude QM is compatible with LENR... and since it is much more compatible with known facts than other theories, QM can be the first bet... and anyway, first job is to gather data. note also that at low energy (low stakes) ad hominem, precaution, conformism, is a good heuristic... but when stakes get higher, crazy, corrupted, honest or rational people can get as much genius, dishonest and stupid... only way to guess the truth is to read yourself the data, but since you are not competent normally, what you win on reducing group effect , you lose it on misinterpretation... a kind of heisenberg inequality... This mean that there is no good way to get the truth, other than to make experiments... human profiling filtering is not reliable at high energy.
[Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney and enthusiastically recommend that others, including die-hard Obama and Ron Paul supporters, vote for him. I do with with a vague feeling of nausea because I know I'll be misunderstood. Please let me explain. I'm not kidding. I'm serious as a heart attack about this endorsement: The government's scientific establishment has been suppressing a technology that would disintermediate virtually all centralized structures of civilization: cold fusion. The general elite attitude has been that something that can save the world dare not come out of a podunk university -- let alone one in Utah. There's also the vague unconscious sense that disintermediation on that scale would upset just about every establishment apple-cart, but that's not the proximate reason for the suppression. It's really just religious piety showing obescience to the Ivy League that's the bottom line on why we don't, today, have a completely clean, decentralized and virtually limitless energy source you can by at Home Depot for a few hundred dollars. This is so entrenched in the scientific establishment -- so much of the church of physics claim to piety depends on maintaining this falsehood that it really would take Presidential attention to counteract it enough that just private capital, let alone public funding, would be allocated appropriate to the potential. So what has this to do with Mitt Romney? Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. Understand that to the government's physics establishment this is tantamount to a candidate for Pope proclaiming Beelzebub a candidate for Sainthood. Moreover, being a Mormon, he is far from biased against a major discovery coming out of Utah. Although in this particular case the Mormon university, BYU's scientist, Steven Jones, played a significant role in helping the scientific establishment suppress cold fusion, that bit of history is obscure enough that it falls well beyond the abject level of knowledge that Mitt Romney has displayed about cold fusion.
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
It doesn't matter much what either candidate says, they will follow the advice of DoE or NASA. DoE in particular STILL don't think ELNR happens. At least that is their current official position. See what I wrote here http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2012/08/20/opinion/doc50319a7792549847984557.txt?viewmode=fullstory The problem with voting for Romney as that he is much more likely to get us into war in the Middle East. He is Netanyahu's pal don't forget. Adrian Ashfield On 11/6/2012 12:49 PM, James Bowery wrote: I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney and enthusiastically recommend that others, including die-hard Obama and Ron Paul supporters, vote for him. I do with with a vague feeling of nausea because I know I'll be misunderstood. Please let me explain. I'm not kidding. I'm serious as a heart attack about this endorsement: The government's scientific establishment has been suppressing a technology that would disintermediate virtually all centralized structures of civilization: cold fusion. The general elite attitude has been that something that can save the world dare not come out of a podunk university -- let alone one in Utah. There's also the vague unconscious sense that disintermediation on that scale would upset just about every establishment apple-cart, but that's not the proximate reason for the suppression. It's really just religious piety showing obescience to the Ivy League that's the bottom line on why we don't, today, have a completely clean, decentralized and virtually limitless energy source you can by at Home Depot for a few hundred dollars. This is so entrenched in the scientific establishment -- so much of the church of physics claim to piety depends on maintaining this falsehood that it really would take Presidential attention to counteract it enough that just private capital, let alone public funding, would be allocated appropriate to the potential. So what has this to do with Mitt Romney? Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. Understand that to the government's physics establishment this is tantamount to a candidate for Pope proclaiming Beelzebub a candidate for Sainthood. Moreover, being a Mormon, he is far from biased against a major discovery coming out of Utah. Although in this particular case the Mormon university, BYU's scientist, Steven Jones, played a significant role in helping the scientific establishment suppress cold fusion, that bit of history is obscure enough that it falls well beyond the abject level of knowledge that Mitt Romney has displayed about cold fusion.
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Guys, Just a quick update on my expanding theory. As I have mentioned before , it basically says that most severe low pressure systems are triggered by energetic dark matter particles orbiting above and below Earth in a decaying 2-body Kepler, closed string orbit (M theory). Dark Matter particles should trigger Beta Decay in their surroundings(ie. sinkholes) where neutrons are decaying into protons, electrons and neutrinos. Neutrinos can also strike hydrogen protons creating mesons. All of this ends up being very BAD for regular matter. BTW, my theory is now also predicting that the four large gas giants in our solar system, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus Neptune, which are primarily Hydrogen (80-96%) and Helium(4-20%) have a black hole at their center. I guess that would imply that if you have dark matter building up in a LENR reactor that it should produce Hydrogen and some Helium. We have the gas giants as a go by... Stewart darkmattersalot.com On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: Lou, the answer is, its complicated, but very interesting and conditions can be recreated in the lab, and the guy who knows all about this is Joe Dwyer. He has done an excellent review http://www.springerlink.com/**content/l112wv31n5446564/http://www.springerlink.com/content/l112wv31n5446564/ You also get gamma rays, and he has shown that these are generated with a down stroke (ie the bit that you don't see) and appear to be associated with the formation of each fork in the stepped leader (see fig 18). Nigel On 06/11/2012 15:27, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Nigel, Thanks for spreading that information. It is a surprising phenomenon. I believe some lightning generates neutrons and positrons, but some does not. Do you know what the conditions produce neutrons/positrons? Also, whether these conditions can be replicated in the lab? -- Lou Pagnucco And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. That's a TERRIBLE reason to vote for Romney! I am sure he will do nothing for cold fusion if he wins. Neither will Obama. This is entirely up to the physics establishment. I think Romney had cold fusion mixed up with HTSC. Regarding Utah, I have just been reading a book by Chase Peterson, who was Pres. of U. Utah in 1989: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091HE6IU/ref=docs-os-doi_0 They did not treat him badly after 1990. With Peterson's permission we are extracting a chapter from the book to upload to LENR-CANR.org. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC My election prediction
Here is an interesting comment on technology and poll-taking. [Generating a truly random set of respondents] is a very challenging problem, in part because the technological landscape is changing so fast that it's hard for pollsters to use their experience from the last presidential election as a basis for refining their methodology. Among the things that presumably have changed since 2008: the number of people who have cell phones, the number who have abandoned land lines in favor of cell phones, the number who have caller ID and use it, the number who ignore calls from unknown parties, etc. And these kinds of things tend to vary by age, income level, ethnicity, etc. -- all of which correlate with which candidate a person will vote for. Pollsters can do things to try to correct for all of this, but the ground is shifting so fast that it's hard for them to know they're doing the right things. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/is-ohio-a-toss-up/264571/ This a reminder that there are no permanent solutions in technology. Every invention carries in it the seeds of obsolescence. If it works at all, it must eventually become obsolete, because it works only because it fits in with the other machines, processes, standards, customs and so on prevalent at this moment in history. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Thanks, Nigel A very good reference. There are certainly lots of variables to consider. I've only perused it, but I found the long (- 50 minute half-life) gamma/x-ray after-glow (described on pp.24-5) particularly intriguing. I haven't had time to look into the lab spark experiments cited, but it seems important (if difficult) to determine the current density in the air sparks to get a complete picture. -- Lou Pagnucco Lou, the answer is, its complicated, but very interesting and conditions can be recreated in the lab, and the guy who knows all about this is Joe Dwyer. He has done an excellent review http://www.springerlink.com/content/l112wv31n5446564/ You also get gamma rays, and he has shown that these are generated with a down stroke (ie the bit that you don't see) and appear to be associated with the formation of each fork in the stepped leader (see fig 18). Nigel On 06/11/2012 15:27, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Nigel, Thanks for spreading that information. It is a surprising phenomenon. I believe some lightning generates neutrons and positrons, but some does not. Do you know what the conditions produce neutrons/positrons? Also, whether these conditions can be replicated in the lab? -- Lou Pagnucco And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/24/1135928/-More-Mitt-Romney-science-He-believes-University-of-Utah-solved-cold-fusion The Jed Report by Jed Lewison http://www.dailykos.com/user/Jed%20Lewison [image: Mad Scientist]http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/6966/lightbox/dreamstime_s_18494371.jpg?1348518054 Captain Seamus in December 2011http://washingtonexaminer.com/transcript-of-our-interview-with-mitt-romney/article/992671#.UGC6TLQ1exE(audio clip below the fold), rolling down the window on what he believes to be true about cold fusion: I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. *I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with -- with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that.* We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it. Um. I'll be gentle here. Other than to point outhttp://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/050399sci-cold-fusion.htmlthis *New York Times* article, published on May 3, 1989—more than 22 years earlier—completely debunking Mitt Romney's cold fusion claim. *Physicists Debunk Claim Of a New Kind of Fusion* By MALCOLM W. BROWNE, SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMES BALTIMORE—Hopes that a new kind of nuclear fusion might give the world an unlimited source of cheap energy appear to have been dealt a devastating blow by scientific evidence presented here. In two days of meetings lasting until midnight, members of the American Physical Society heard fresh experimental evidence from many researchers that nuclear fusion in a jar of water does not exist. Physicists seemed generally persuaded as the sessions ended that assertions of cold fusion were based on nothing more than experimental errors by scientists in Utah. So the reason they couldn't duplicate their experiment is that there was nothing to duplicate. I know Mitt loves Utah, but the University of Utah most definitely didn't solve that. And more than two decades later, not only has Mitt Romney failed to figure that out, he's still confusedhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/24/1135824/-Mitt-Romney-wants-airplane-windows-to-roll-down-in-case-of-fire-so-people-can-breathe-more-easilyabout why you can't roll down the windows on jet airplanes. To be fair to Mitt, however, there is something of a double standard at work here. I mean, can you imagine the ridicule if Sarah Palin had said these things? *1:42 PM PT*http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/24/1135928/-More-Mitt-Romney-science-He-believes-University-of-Utah-solved-cold-fusion#20120924134238 : Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. He doesn't even have a cluehttp://www.dailykos.com/comments/1135928/47663778#c21about what the discovery of cold fusion was supposed to mean. It had nothing to do with conducting electricity. It was about generating power. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. ...This is entirely up to the physics establishment. Even if the physics establishment maintains its death-grip on funding, Romney's faux pas -- ignorant as it was -- is the kind of excuse private funding sources -- particularly those friendly to Romney and looking for a way to discredit Obama -- can use to shield them from the fringe kookery smears that do, indeed, frighten many private financiers. Of course, if you're talking about investors that are friendly to Obama's politics, they will be even less likely to invest in cold fusion. I did go out of my way to talk about _private_ funding sources in my original post. I think Romney had cold fusion mixed up with HTSC. I did say twice in the original post, and reiterated in this one, that Romney's comment was ignorance. I even called it abject. The point is there is an enormous universe of terms he could have confused with HTSC and the one he chose was not only a technology that many private funding sources are looking for an excuse to invest in, but it is one that bears directly on the credibility of Romney's primary weakness within the Republican Party's very influential evangelical base: Mormon kookery.
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
Another angle on this I just realized was Neocon insularity: If there is any group of people inside the beltway that is capable of blocking out reality and forging ahead with whatever agenda they want, it is the Neocons who got the US into the recent wars over Al Queda in Iraq and Sadam's WMDs. The physics establishment's insularity from reality is like 10DBi earplugs compared to the Neocon ability to completely synthesize multimedia virtual reality and violate layers of bureaucracy -- to the point that large groups of high officials in the CIA and DoD threaten to resign -- all in pursuit of an agenda. In this particular instance, we have the University of Missouri that has just been endowed to work on cold fusion as a result of an Israeli company and a prominent American Jew -- and that University is forging ahead. Now, the fact that the Neocons don't need to block out reality in this instance won't deter them. They are consumate realists when they want to be. Here we have an opportunity for Israel and their Mormon allies to come out smelling like roses. If you think the Neocons can't absolutely crush the scientific establishment in politics, you haven't a clue. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. ...This is entirely up to the physics establishment. Even if the physics establishment maintains its death-grip on funding, Romney's faux pas -- ignorant as it was -- is the kind of excuse private funding sources -- particularly those friendly to Romney and looking for a way to discredit Obama -- can use to shield them from the fringe kookery smears that do, indeed, frighten many private financiers. Of course, if you're talking about investors that are friendly to Obama's politics, they will be even less likely to invest in cold fusion. I did go out of my way to talk about _private_ funding sources in my original post. I think Romney had cold fusion mixed up with HTSC. I did say twice in the original post, and reiterated in this one, that Romney's comment was ignorance. I even called it abject. The point is there is an enormous universe of terms he could have confused with HTSC and the one he chose was not only a technology that many private funding sources are looking for an excuse to invest in, but it is one that bears directly on the credibility of Romney's primary weakness within the Republican Party's very influential evangelical base: Mormon kookery.
RE: [Vo]:[OT] Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
Adrian, Why don't you go live in Israel for the next year or two... I think you need to see it from their perspective. With the nutcase in Iran stating over and over in public, even when speaking at the UN, that he is working toward the annihilation of Israel, you might well start to look at it from Israel's point of view. How ANY country's leader could make those kinds of statements in the modern world, and not get shunned by the world community is unbelieveable... -Mark Iverson -Original Message- From: a.ashfield [mailto:a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:25 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion It doesn't matter much what either candidate says, they will follow the advice of DoE or NASA. DoE in particular STILL don't think ELNR happens. At least that is their current official position. See what I wrote here http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2012/08/20/opinion/doc50319a7792549847984 557.txt?viewmode=fullstory The problem with voting for Romney as that he is much more likely to get us into war in the Middle East. He is Netanyahu's pal don't forget. Adrian Ashfield
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Well spotted Lou, and yes it is particularly intriguing. A couple of pointers. First, describing it as an after glow is potentially misleading, in that it is not necessarily after anything. It is something that is seen at and around the time when lightning occurs, but can be seen when there is no actual lightning. Secondly, the current density in the air sparks is probably not important as the gamma rays occur during the forked leader when the current is comparatively low. The high currents are seen in the return stroke, when far less gamma ray emission is seen associated with the stroke. In lab experiments they sometimes see gamma ray emission above the spark at that point. Nigel On 06/11/2012 20:43, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Thanks, Nigel A very good reference. There are certainly lots of variables to consider. I've only perused it, but I found the long (- 50 minute half-life) gamma/x-ray after-glow (described on pp.24-5) particularly intriguing. I haven't had time to look into the lab spark experiments cited, but it seems important (if difficult) to determine the current density in the air sparks to get a complete picture. -- Lou Pagnucco Lou, the answer is, its complicated, but very interesting and conditions can be recreated in the lab, and the guy who knows all about this is Joe Dwyer. He has done an excellent review http://www.springerlink.com/content/l112wv31n5446564/ You also get gamma rays, and he has shown that these are generated with a down stroke (ie the bit that you don't see) and appear to be associated with the formation of each fork in the stepped leader (see fig 18). Nigel
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
There is a lot more to the Romney/U.Utah/BYU story than you acknowledge, and none of it favorable to Romney. Voting for Romney because of Cold Fusion is a little like voting for Alfred E. Neuman for President because you like freckles. Except that Romney doesn't even have the freckles. Cheers, Lawry On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:49 PM, James Bowery wrote: I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney and enthusiastically recommend that others, including die-hard Obama and Ron Paul supporters, vote for him. I do with with a vague feeling of nausea because I know I'll be misunderstood. Please let me explain. I'm not kidding. I'm serious as a heart attack about this endorsement: The government's scientific establishment has been suppressing a technology that would disintermediate virtually all centralized structures of civilization: cold fusion. The general elite attitude has been that something that can save the world dare not come out of a podunk university -- let alone one in Utah. There's also the vague unconscious sense that disintermediation on that scale would upset just about every establishment apple-cart, but that's not the proximate reason for the suppression. It's really just religious piety showing obescience to the Ivy League that's the bottom line on why we don't, today, have a completely clean, decentralized and virtually limitless energy source you can by at Home Depot for a few hundred dollars. This is so entrenched in the scientific establishment -- so much of the church of physics claim to piety depends on maintaining this falsehood that it really would take Presidential attention to counteract it enough that just private capital, let alone public funding, would be allocated appropriate to the potential. So what has this to do with Mitt Romney? Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. Understand that to the government's physics establishment this is tantamount to a candidate for Pope proclaiming Beelzebub a candidate for Sainthood. Moreover, being a Mormon, he is far from biased against a major discovery coming out of Utah. Although in this particular case the Mormon university, BYU's scientist, Steven Jones, played a significant role in helping the scientific establishment suppress cold fusion, that bit of history is obscure enough that it falls well beyond the abject level of knowledge that Mitt Romney has displayed about cold fusion.
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
Please expand on the statement: There is a lot more to the Romney/U.Utah/BYU story than you acknowledge, and none of it favorable to Romney. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.comwrote: There is a lot more to the Romney/U.Utah/BYU story than you acknowledge, and none of it favorable to Romney. Voting for Romney because of Cold Fusion is a little like voting for Alfred E. Neuman for President because you like freckles. Except that Romney doesn't even have the freckles. Cheers, Lawry On Nov 6, 2012, at 12:49 PM, James Bowery wrote: I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney and enthusiastically recommend that others, including die-hard Obama and Ron Paul supporters, vote for him. I do with with a vague feeling of nausea because I know I'll be misunderstood. Please let me explain. I'm not kidding. I'm serious as a heart attack about this endorsement: The government's scientific establishment has been suppressing a technology that would disintermediate virtually all centralized structures of civilization: cold fusion. The general elite attitude has been that something that can save the world dare not come out of a podunk university -- let alone one in Utah. There's also the vague unconscious sense that disintermediation on that scale would upset just about every establishment apple-cart, but that's not the proximate reason for the suppression. It's really just religious piety showing obescience to the Ivy League that's the bottom line on why we don't, today, have a completely clean, decentralized and virtually limitless energy source you can by at Home Depot for a few hundred dollars. This is so entrenched in the scientific establishment -- so much of the church of physics claim to piety depends on maintaining this falsehood that it really would take Presidential attention to counteract it enough that just private capital, let alone public funding, would be allocated appropriate to the potential. So what has this to do with Mitt Romney? Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. Understand that to the government's physics establishment this is tantamount to a candidate for Pope proclaiming Beelzebub a candidate for Sainthood. Moreover, being a Mormon, he is far from biased against a major discovery coming out of Utah. Although in this particular case the Mormon university, BYU's scientist, Steven Jones, played a significant role in helping the scientific establishment suppress cold fusion, that bit of history is obscure enough that it falls well beyond the abject level of knowledge that Mitt Romney has displayed about cold fusion.
Re: [Vo]:Vote for Mitt Romney If You Want Cold Fusion
Some comfort for those who support Obama: Intrade.com has his odds of reelection increasing as the night progresses. He now stands at 70% odds. On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:49 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I've decided to vote for Mitt Romney and enthusiastically recommend that others, including die-hard Obama and Ron Paul supporters, vote for him. I do with with a vague feeling of nausea because I know I'll be misunderstood. Please let me explain. I'm not kidding. I'm serious as a heart attack about this endorsement: The government's scientific establishment has been suppressing a technology that would disintermediate virtually all centralized structures of civilization: cold fusion. The general elite attitude has been that something that can save the world dare not come out of a podunk university -- let alone one in Utah. There's also the vague unconscious sense that disintermediation on that scale would upset just about every establishment apple-cart, but that's not the proximate reason for the suppression. It's really just religious piety showing obescience to the Ivy League that's the bottom line on why we don't, today, have a completely clean, decentralized and virtually limitless energy source you can by at Home Depot for a few hundred dollars. This is so entrenched in the scientific establishment -- so much of the church of physics claim to piety depends on maintaining this falsehood that it really would take Presidential attention to counteract it enough that just private capital, let alone public funding, would be allocated appropriate to the potential. So what has this to do with Mitt Romney? Mitt Romney has made a comment, about as ignorant is you can get, about cold fusion that is, despite its ignorance, a positive comment. Understand that to the government's physics establishment this is tantamount to a candidate for Pope proclaiming Beelzebub a candidate for Sainthood. Moreover, being a Mormon, he is far from biased against a major discovery coming out of Utah. Although in this particular case the Mormon university, BYU's scientist, Steven Jones, played a significant role in helping the scientific establishment suppress cold fusion, that bit of history is obscure enough that it falls well beyond the abject level of knowledge that Mitt Romney has displayed about cold fusion.
Re: [Vo]:New Paper: Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations
Beta Plus Decay can produce positrons B+ decay occurs when energy is applied to a proton, and the resulting interaction causes the proton to convert into a neutron and a positron. The neutron remains captured in the nucleus, while the positron is ejected, sometimes at high speed. Note that B+ decay cannot occur spontaneously - it requires energy, usually in the form of a high speed collision with another particle Stewart On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:27 AM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Nigel, Thanks for spreading that information. It is a surprising phenomenon. I believe some lightning generates neutrons and positrons, but some does not. Do you know what the conditions produce neutrons/positrons? Also, whether these conditions can be replicated in the lab? -- Lou Pagnucco And I think I may be able to claim responsibility for the inclusion of the paragraph about neutron release in thunderstorms, given my discussions over the last couple of years with John Swain. Nigel On 06/11/2012 02:41, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Just published on Arxiv.org -- Theories of Low Energy Nuclear Transmutations - Y.N. Srivastava, A. Widom, J. Swain ABSTRACT: Employing concrete examples from nuclear physics it is shown that low energy nuclear reactions can and have been induced by all of the four fundamental interactions (i) (stellar) gravitational, (ii) strong, (iii) electromagnetic and (iv) weak. Differences are highlighted through the great diversity in the rates and similarity through the nature of the nuclear reactions initiated by each. http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.0924
Re: [Vo]:OT nuclear physicist as dutch prime minister?
On 09/13/2012 06:55 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote: Hi, On 13-9-2012 12:23, Teslaalset wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Andre Blum andre_vor...@blums.nl mailto:andre_vor...@blums.nl wrote: On 09/12/2012 01:21 PM, Andre Blum wrote: Please, please refrain from discussing dutch politics when it has absolutely nothing to do with the subjects intended to be discussed in this mailing list. Kind regards, Rob Rob, How are you feeling today? Andre
[Vo]:HOW LOW - ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR - CUSP DRIVEN TUNNELING
A new preprint on Arxiv.org describes a method to induce room temp D+D--He fusion by waveform shaping and overlap instead of high speed collision. HOW LOW - ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR - B. Ivlev http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1211/1211.1243.pdf ABSTRACT: Fusion of two deuterons of room temperature energy is discussed. The nuclei are in vacuum with no connection to any external source (electric or magnetic field, illumination, surrounding matter, traps,etc.) which may accelerate them. The energy of two nuclei is conserved and remains small during the motion through the Coulomb barrier. The penetration through this barrier, which is the main obstacle for low-energy fusion, strongly depends on a form of the incident flux on the Coulombcenter at large distances from it. In contrast to the usual scattering, the incident wave is not a single plane wave but the certain superposition of plane waves of the same energy and various directions, for example a convergent conical wave. The wave function close to the Coulomb center is determined by a cusp caustic which is probed by de Broglie waves. The particle flux gets away from the cusp and proceeds to the Coulomb center providing a not small probability of fusion. [[[EXCERPT - CUSP DRIVEN TUNNELING In classical physics the Coulomb center cannot be reached at low energy. In quantum mechanics this depends on a form of an incident particle flux. When the flux is a usual plane wave the probability of barrier penetration is exponentially small and is generic with conventional WKB. The situation becomes different when the incident flux is of a convergent shape. In this case a cusp caustic is formed. Unlike classical physics, there is a flux along the caustic surface which decays inside the classically forbidden region but it is not small on the surface... the flux is directed along the narrow channel and reaches the center. The wave function inside the channel and at the caustic region is of the same value with the exponential accuracy. As a result, the probability of barrier penetration becomes not exponentially small. This can be called cusp driven tunneling. Mechanisms, described in this paper, constitute a phenomenon of low-energy nuclear fusion. Nuclei can be of room temperature energy. Below we briefly mention experimental schemes for formation of a proper flux of particle resulting in the cusp phenomenon. One of experimental ways to produce the conical flux of deuterons is to confine them in a tube, for example, in a nanotube. One can use a set of nanotubes for a wide flux of nuclei. Another way is to push deuterons (atoms) to pass through a diffraction grid of a conical shape. Since the de Broglie wave length is of the order of 1 Angstrom , one can use a natural crystal lattice. A setup with slits can be also suitable. This is a situation of quantum lens...]]] -- Lou Pagnucco
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Politics by mortar in North Korea
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 2:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know the margin of error expected for the impact location of a mortar round zeroed in at say 1/4 mile range? A near miss might prove to be very painful! Why not just use an explosive charge if the idea is to vaporize the poor guy? The level of ignorance and intolerance that these people exhibit is beyond imagination. For sure. The motivations that would lead to someone using the occasion of a political settling-of-scores to consolidate his hold on power in this manner are opaque to normal, well-adjusted people. Often you can get insight into a situation or culture by trying to get into their manner of thinking. But in this case the attempt fails, sort of like it does trying to get into the heads of the Mexican drug gangs. With these kinds of people, it's all Lord of the Flies and pure, raw, Machiavellian political calculation. Eric
Re: [Vo]:HOW LOW - ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR - CUSP DRIVEN TUNNELING
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The energy of two nuclei is conserved and remains small during the motion through the Coulomb barrier. The penetration through this barrier, which is the main obstacle for low-energy fusion, strongly depends on a form of the incident flux on the Coulombcenter at large distances from it. In contrast to the usual scattering, the incident wave is not a single plane wave but the certain superposition of plane waves of the same energy and various directions, for example a convergent conical wave. I like explanations along these lines -- ones that don't require slamming particles into one another at high speeds. In the end I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being something like what the author seems to be getting at. Two analogies that come to mind: (1) when a large, heavy object hits the water at high speeds, you get one kind of outcome, and when it slips into the water at low speed, you get something else entirely. Or (2), when you don't have a key, to get past a door you're going to have to break it down, but when you have the key, it will open with little effort. There may be something equivalent to an electromagnetic key that amplifies the tunneling probability by several orders of magnitude for a certain period of time. I have no opinion about the details of Ivlev's theory. Eric
Re: [Vo]:HOW LOW - ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR - CUSP DRIVEN TUNNELING
Eric, There are several theories along these lines - possibly mutually compatible. Another approach by Li, et al, involves resonant tunneling. See: Sub-barrier fusion and selective resonant tunneling http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2000/2000Li-Sub-BarrierFusion.pdf An Approach to Nuclear Energy Without Strong Nuclear Radiation http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/Li%20%281%29.pdf -- Lou Pagnucco Eric Walker wrote: On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: The energy of two nuclei is conserved and remains small during the motion through the Coulomb barrier. The penetration through this barrier, which is the main obstacle for low-energy fusion, strongly depends on a form of the incident flux on the Coulombcenter at large distances from it. In contrast to the usual scattering, the incident wave is not a single plane wave but the certain superposition of plane waves of the same energy and various directions, for example a convergent conical wave. I like explanations along these lines -- ones that don't require slamming particles into one another at high speeds. In the end I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being something like what the author seems to be getting at. Two analogies that come to mind: (1) when a large, heavy object hits the water at high speeds, you get one kind of outcome, and when it slips into the water at low speed, you get something else entirely. Or (2), when you don't have a key, to get past a door you're going to have to break it down, but when you have the key, it will open with little effort. There may be something equivalent to an electromagnetic key that amplifies the tunneling probability by several orders of magnitude for a certain period of time. I have no opinion about the details of Ivlev's theory. Eric
[Vo]:New Energy Paradigm Shift 2012 Art Show -Submissions Dec 1
Politics and elections can bring incremental change, and ain't nuthin wrong with that. But if you really want to change your world, new technology is the catalyst. Some call it technological determinism; I just call it history. Please forward to your art pals: http://coldfusionnow.org/call-for-submissions-cold-fusion-now-online-art-contest-and-curation/ Submissions by December 1 and PRIZES announced December 22! -- Ruby Carat Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
