Re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Remains the question why Rossi's E-cat works at a range of temperatures. His first generation worked at only a few hundred C, while his latest hot-Cat seems to be working between 300 - 1000 degrees C. B.t.w. Celani/Kresenn recently had an explosion at low temperatures and they observe 'strange effects' using carbon hydrates mixed with Hydrogen.
[Vo]:The worldwide list of dissident physicists
Some notable people from Cold Fusion community are here, like Akito Takahashi and Edmund Storms. http://books.google.com.br/books?id=KnzBDjnGIgYCpg=PA7lpg=PA7dq=The+Worldwide+list+of+dissidents+scientistssource=blots=7QupiZOoFFsig=muLbxQh4t8qyLaSps-S2q8KwSnMhl=ensa=Xei=NHvRUdGpEeXA0gGFpoHYCwved=0CFsQ6AEwBg#v=onepageq=meulembergf=false -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
I KEEP SAYING, ITS ALL ABOUT RESONANCES. Mark, so a lower temp correlates to a larger cavity? I am trying to imagine this but sticking on heat sinking vs heat emission, can heat sinking have a resonance where it sinks better? 50 times better? I like the concept but is there any foundation? Fran First, this will also tie in with Harry Veeder's posting earlier today titled: Subject: [Vo]:MFMP and phonon resonance temperature of Cu Here is the link to the article that is 'Yet Another Clue': The quantum secret to alcohol reactions in space http://phys.org/news/2013-06-quantum-secret-alcohol-reactions-space.html Chemists have discovered that an 'impossible' reaction at cold temperatures actually occurs with vigour, which could change our understanding of how alcohols are formed and destroyed in space. To explain the impossible, the researchers propose that a quantum mechanical phenomenon, known as 'quantum tunnelling', is revving up the chemical reaction.
Re: [Vo]:The worldwide list of dissident physicists
I am listed here too. Kinda silly. I am not exactly a scientist. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The worldwide list of dissident physicists
A guy who fixes cars is a mechanic. If it's pipes, he's a plumber. From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:36 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:The worldwide list of dissident physicists I am listed here too. Kinda silly. I am not exactly a scientist. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:MFMP and phonon resonance temperature of Cu
For others here is the link and bodies of the thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62033.html In physics, Planck's law describes the amount of energy emitted by a black body in radiation of a certain wavelength (i.e. the spectral radiance of a black body). The law is named after Max Planck, who originally proposed it in 1900. The law was the first to accurately describe black body radiation, and resolved the ultraviolet catastrophe. It is a pioneer result of modern physics and quantum theory. For a given black body temperature, the wavelength at the peak of the Planck curve is called maximum lambda. This value gives a fell for the minimum relative size that an radiating object must be to optimally support photons associated with a give temperature. Like and antenna, a particle of nickel will best support the photons at a given temperature if the particle size is the adjusted to the ideal size. For a temperature of 700k or about 400C, the Lambda(max) must be 4.14 microns. This is why Rossi uses very large micro sized nickel particles in his reactor. Nano sized particles will not properly support the ideal photon wavelength needed to force protons into quantum mechanical coherence. Rossi undoubtedly found this optimal size through trial and error but science is easier. For a Planck function Infrared Radiance Calculator see the following: https://www.sensiac.org/external/resources/calculators/infrared_radiance_calculator.jsf%3bjsessionid=D08873244D6904EE654DBCDF0391F95E Finally some one worth talking to. You are correct, however, you must adjust for the speed of sound withing the dissolved metal to be at c/(2*137) http://www.wbabin.net/Science-Journals-Papers/Author/913/Frank,%20Znidarsic Frank Znidarsic Frank, The Ni metal is not dissolved is it? I also understand the smaller the Ni particle, the lower the melting temperature due to melting point depression. * * *Melting-point depression* is a term referring to the phenomenon of reduction of the melting point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_point of a material with reduction of its size. This phenomenon is very prominent in nanoscale materials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnologywhich melt at temperatures hundreds of degrees lower than bulk materials. That is another good question. Why do we need protons in a proton conductor? The proton spacing is still measured in atomic distances not nuclear distances. The answer is The Dissolved Protons are not bound. The frequency is not determined by K sq root of K/M where K is measured to the next atom. The boundary condition is at the edge of the nickle crystal. This is very important. the size is more important than just for the absorption of hydrogen, it sets the boundary condition for resonance. When the speed of sound in the dissolved hydrogen protons = the speed of sound in the nucleus, bingo we have a macro atom and cold fusion. Of course the devil is in the details. Frank Znidarsic On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: see post: Right Sizing Nickel Particles On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 6:40 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Google phonon resonance temperature and you'll come up dry. On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Coincidental pressure drop or is Ni62 changing into Cu63 at the first phonon resonance temperature of 489°C for Cu ? Harry http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-3/296-50-meters-of-constantan-in-one-cell quote UPDATE#2 - STUNNING GRAPH So the reactor is now at the 1st phonon resonance temp of Cu63 (the target element) as put forward by one of our followers in his freely published document you can review here http://www.human-resonance.org/Qi.pdf He suggested his research showed that if we hit the 489 degrees C in pressured hydrogen atmosphere, over time the Ni62 would become Cu63. From the text:- Precision heating of nickel powder to 489°C or 859°C resonance with copper isotope Cu63 in the presence of pressurized H2 gas will target and maximize conversion of nickel into stable copper. The nuclear fusion reaction that produces excess heat can be specifically targeted by precision heating of the reaction to 620°C or 966°C resonance with meta-stable copper isomer Cu68m Now just look at what is going on in the cell! [see graph] You might note that the 2nd resonance temp is ballpark the December rossi temp where the cell melted down and the second is ballpark the 2nd COP 5.7 test... the 3rd test at a lower temp (in the range of our Celani experiments) but much lower COP.
RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Mornin' Fran, If you're referring to Casimir cavities, then no. In this thread, I'm not thinking about NAEs or dislocations, but simply bulk matter (the referenced PhysOrg paper was methanol and an oxidant injected as very cold gasses, IIRC). Hard to put into words, but changing the temperature of two substances changes their internal oscillatory frequencies, but NOT by the same amount. Thus, as one adds (or REMOVES) heat, the two substances diverge further away from being in resonance. continue the process and their internal oscillatory frequencies will begin to converge and come into resonance. Unless you know the *exact* temperature are which the resonance occurs, you'd go right past it and never see anything unusual. ergo, the laws for bulk matter. That's why these scientists were so surprised at the 50x enhancement of reaction rates since the laws of bulk matter are incomplete. If our results continue to show a similar increase in the reaction rate at very cold temperatures, then scientists have been severely underestimating the rates of formation and destruction of complex molecules, such as alcohols, in space -Mark From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 7:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... I KEEP SAYING, ITS ALL ABOUT RESONANCES. Mark, so a lower temp correlates to a larger cavity? I am trying to imagine this but sticking on heat sinking vs heat emission, can heat sinking have a resonance where it sinks better? 50 times better? I like the concept but is there any foundation? Fran First, this will also tie in with Harry Veeder's posting earlier today titled: Subject: [Vo]:MFMP and phonon resonance temperature of Cu Here is the link to the article that is 'Yet Another Clue': The quantum secret to alcohol reactions in space http://phys.org/news/2013-06-quantum-secret-alcohol-reactions-space.html Chemists have discovered that an 'impossible' reaction at cold temperatures actually occurs with vigour, which could change our understanding of how alcohols are formed and destroyed in space. To explain the impossible, the researchers propose that a quantum mechanical phenomenon, known as 'quantum tunnelling', is revving up the chemical reaction.
[Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I darn well better show up. They have me down to give a talk AND present a poster session paper by Mizuno, who cannot make it. Busy, busy, busy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I wrote: I darn well better show up. By that I mean the conference organizer is Prof. Annette Sobel who is a retired Major General. When she tells you to do something, you do it. See: http://engineering.missouri.edu/person/sobela/ http://www.ewh.ieee.org/tc/its/ISI2006/speakers.htm - Jed
[Vo]:surprising truth and a SURVEY
Dear Friends. I am sure you have thought many times about this possibility and on long term you will accept and embrace it. http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/07/nuclear-hamburger.html On short term PLEASE TAKE THE SHORT SURVEY! Thank you for your understanding! Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Hi Mark, Ok not cavities. Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different rates when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? Still waiting for someone to put all the pieces together nicely but am seeing where this phenomena really is a perfect storm of balanced temperatures and resonances. Makes me wonder about the waveform used by Rossi again, does the IR freq of heaters shift a little or only pwm of the same frequency? IOW is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons .. If I understand the conjecture this linkage between IR and plasmon then enables the next coupling between the plasmon electron waves and photons above the wave surface. Also, I don't know if this is supposed to be interfacing directly with the odd spectrum blue light or is there yet another step..I know Axil and Jones mentioned silicon carbide as likely target for plasmon resonance but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether or how long fractional hydrogen can continue to exist once it leaves the Ni geometry that allows it to form. It would be nice to see the interface immediately since plasmons have this photonic ability but if not then what is the missing step? Anybody Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... Mornin' Fran, If you're referring to Casimir cavities, then no. In this thread, I'm not thinking about NAEs or dislocations, but simply bulk matter (the referenced PhysOrg paper was methanol and an oxidant injected as very cold gasses, IIRC)... Hard to put into words, but changing the temperature of two substances changes their internal oscillatory frequencies, but NOT by the same amount. Thus, as one adds (or REMOVES) heat, the two substances diverge further away from being in resonance... continue the process and their internal oscillatory frequencies will begin to converge and come into resonance. Unless you know the *exact* temperature are which the resonance occurs, you'd go right past it and never see anything unusual... ergo, the laws for bulk matter. That's why these scientists were so surprised at the 50x enhancement of reaction rates since the laws of bulk matter are incomplete. If our results continue to show a similar increase in the reaction rate at very cold temperatures, then scientists have been severely underestimating the rates of formation and destruction of complex molecules, such as alcohols, in space -Mark From: francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 7:04 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... I KEEP SAYING, ITS ALL ABOUT RESONANCES. Mark, so a lower temp correlates to a larger cavity? I am trying to imagine this but sticking on heat sinking vs heat emission, can heat sinking have a resonance where it sinks better? 50 times better? I like the concept but is there any foundation? Fran First, this will also tie in with Harry Veeder's posting earlier today titled: Subject: [Vo]:MFMP and phonon resonance temperature of Cu Here is the link to the article that is 'Yet Another Clue': The quantum secret to alcohol reactions in space http://phys.org/news/2013-06-quantum-secret-alcohol-reactions-space.html Chemists have discovered that an 'impossible' reaction at cold temperatures actually occurs with vigour, which could change our understanding of how alcohols are formed and destroyed in space. To explain the impossible, the researchers propose that a quantum mechanical phenomenon, known as 'quantum tunnelling', is revving up the chemical reaction.
[Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
For those who are interested an article on Group Delusion that is enlightening Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets ROLAND BÉNABOU Princeton University http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Review%20of%20Economic%20Studies-2013-Benabou-429-62.pdf this version is published... really deserve to be read. note also that This review of Thomas Kuhn deserve also to be read: http://fr.slideshare.net/sandhyajohnson/the-structure-of-scientific-revolutions-thomas-kuhn-book-summary and completed by AntiFragile of nassim Nicholas taleb http://frontierlivin.com/antifragile-book-notes/ after that, nothing surprise you in LENR tragedy.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
Re: [Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
Excellent writings, thank you for them. However I disagree with the last sentence, LENR surprises were and are much too unexpected- see a theory of Surprise on the Web Peter On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: For those who are interested an article on Group Delusion that is enlightening Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets ROLAND BÉNABOU Princeton University http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Review%20of%20Economic%20Studies-2013-Benabou-429-62.pdf this version is published... really deserve to be read. note also that This review of Thomas Kuhn deserve also to be read: http://fr.slideshare.net/sandhyajohnson/the-structure-of-scientific-revolutions-thomas-kuhn-book-summary and completed by AntiFragile of nassim Nicholas taleb http://frontierlivin.com/antifragile-book-notes/ after that, nothing surprise you in LENR tragedy. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: . . . LENR surprises were and are much too unexpected- see a theory of Surprise on the Web I think Alain meant there was nothing surprising about the reaction to cold fusion. The spiteful rejection, that is. Martin Fleischmann expected this. I think Pons was surprised by it, or at least, by the intensity of it. Technically it was surprising. Perhaps it was the most surprising discovery in the history of technology. I guess radium and radioactivity were about as surprising, but cold fusion was discovered after people thought they understood nuclear reactions in detail. It turns out they don't understand them. If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
I wouldn't be surprised if this compound nanowire produced some LENR activity in the absence of hydrogen went temperatures got above 400C. The silver would be replaced with nickel, however. http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/news/penn-researchers-use-nanoplasmonic-whispering-gallery-break-emission-time-record-semiconductors On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Hi Mark, Ok not cavities. Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different rates when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? Still waiting for someone to put all the pieces together nicely but am seeing where this phenomena really is a perfect storm of balanced temperatures and resonances. Makes me wonder about the waveform used by Rossi again, does the IR freq of heaters shift a little or only pwm of the same frequency? IOW is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons .. If I understand the conjecture this linkage between IR and plasmon then enables the next coupling between the plasmon electron waves and photons above the wave surface. Also, I don’t know if this is supposed to be interfacing directly with the odd spectrum blue light or is there yet another step..I know Axil and Jones mentioned silicon carbide as likely target for plasmon resonance but there doesn’t seem to be a consensus on whether or how long fractional hydrogen can continue to exist once it leaves the Ni geometry that allows it to form. It would be nice to see the interface immediately since plasmons have this photonic ability but if not then what is the missing step? Anybody Fran *From:* MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 12:34 PM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... ** ** Mornin’ Fran, ** ** If you’re referring to Casimir cavities, then no. In this thread, I’m not thinking about NAEs or dislocations, but simply bulk matter (the referenced PhysOrg paper was methanol and an oxidant injected as very cold gasses, IIRC)… ** ** Hard to put into words, but changing the temperature of two substances changes their internal oscillatory frequencies, but NOT by the same amount. Thus, as one adds (or REMOVES) heat, the two substances diverge further away from being in resonance… continue the process and their internal oscillatory frequencies will begin to converge and come into resonance. Unless you know the **exact** temperature are which the resonance occurs, you’d go right past it and never see anything unusual… ergo, the laws for bulk matter. That’s why these scientists were so surprised at the 50x enhancement of reaction rates since the laws of bulk matter are incomplete. ** ** If our results continue to show a similar increase in the reaction rate at very cold temperatures, then scientists have been severely underestimating the rates of formation and destruction of complex molecules, such as alcohols, in space” ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* francis [mailto:froarty...@comcast.net froarty...@comcast.net] *Sent:* Monday, July 01, 2013 7:04 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... ** ** I KEEP SAYING, ITS ALL ABOUT RESONANCES. ** ** Mark, so a lower temp correlates to a larger cavity? I am trying to imagine this but sticking on heat sinking vs heat emission, can heat sinking have a resonance where it sinks better? 50 times better? I like the concept but is there any foundation? Fran ** ** ** ** First, this will also tie in with Harry Veeder's posting earlier today titled: ** ** Subject: [Vo]:MFMP and phonon resonance temperature of Cu ** ** ** ** Here is the link to the article that is 'Yet Another Clue': ** ** The quantum secret to alcohol reactions in space ** ** http://phys.org/news/2013-06-quantum-secret-alcohol-reactions-space.html ** ** ** ** Chemists have discovered that an 'impossible' reaction at cold temperatures actually occurs with vigour, which could change our understanding of how alcohols are formed and destroyed in space. To explain the impossible, the researchers propose that a quantum mechanical phenomenon, known as 'quantum tunnelling', is revving up the chemical reaction. ** **
Re: [Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
I agree it was very surprising, but as I wrote more times on my blog, the deep cause of the troubles was that the discovery came too early when there still did not existed the conditions to understand and develop it. It was discovered by the best people but in the worst place. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: . . . LENR surprises were and are much too unexpected- see a theory of Surprise on the Web I think Alain meant there was nothing surprising about the reaction to cold fusion. The spiteful rejection, that is. Martin Fleischmann expected this. I think Pons was surprised by it, or at least, by the intensity of it. Technically it was surprising. Perhaps it was the most surprising discovery in the history of technology. I guess radium and radioactivity were about as surprising, but cold fusion was discovered after people thought they understood nuclear reactions in detail. It turns out they don't understand them. If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Thinking about it! Could be pretty historic. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
Re: [Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. true ! in 1900 physics was not in normal science mode but in early stage... see how Sternglass discovery was accepted by einstein, yet ignored later... it would have been even more easy at the faraday time. theory is a trap. 2013/7/1 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: . . . LENR surprises were and are much too unexpected- see a theory of Surprise on the Web I think Alain meant there was nothing surprising about the reaction to cold fusion. The spiteful rejection, that is. Martin Fleischmann expected this. I think Pons was surprised by it, or at least, by the intensity of it. Technically it was surprising. Perhaps it was the most surprising discovery in the history of technology. I guess radium and radioactivity were about as surprising, but cold fusion was discovered after people thought they understood nuclear reactions in detail. It turns out they don't understand them. If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different *rates* when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? EXACTLY. Your regurgitation of what I was trying to describe sounds sooo much better! J The problem is that the point where the internal oscillatory frequencies come into resonance is VERY specific and SHARP (very high Q-factor), thus, if you don't know what those temps are, you're likely to *never* encounter them and what you see is 'bulk' behavior consistent with current laws of physics. IOW, is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons? Don't limit it to just plasmons!! Does not any solid matter have plasmon/polariton/phonon oscillations going on. Each of these involve different aspects of the matter/lattice, and at different scales. Phonon (mechanical) oscillations may be affected by not only the lattice dimensions and bond strength, but also by the overall dimensions of the sample - what happens when there is a harmonic relationship between the lattice geometry/bonds and the thickness of the sample. and if considering a sample in 3D, what if there is a harmonic relationship between the phononic oscillations in ALL 3 dimensions and the dimensions/bonding strength between lattice atoms??? Is the phonon velocity and damping the same is all three dimensions To say that this kind of resonant condition would be very rare is an understatement! But when it does happen, I'll bet that current laws DO NOT APPLY. I don't know enough about each to speak intelligently, but this is a key question which perhaps someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer: - Does coupling of E from one type of oscillator to another (e.g., from plasmon to phonon) require them to come into a harmonic condition/resonance? My guess is YES. THE USUAL condition is that E is much more likely to couple between LIKE oscillators, but that it *CAN* couple to dislike oscillators if the right conditions are present. This would explain why the brute force nuclear reactions always generate daughter particle(s) + energetic *photons* which escape the material. Conditions are not such that the energy gets coupled into the lattice (phonons/polaritons). But if that harmonic relationship can be established, then the E would couple into the lattice as in LENR. Things to keep in mind are that there are physical oscillations which depend on physical dimensions, both overall and inter-atomic, and on bond strength; as well as NON-physical oscillators, such as a photon, since it isn't a physical thing. What is the transfer function between an IR photon and a phonon oscillation??? IF conditions are such that there is a coupling between IR photons and phonon oscillations, will the amount of E in a single IR photon be even enough to cause any signif diff in the phonon oscillations, and if so, would it be constructive or destructive interference?? The YouTube vids of acoustic vibrations of corn-starch show just how diverse and dramatic resonances can be. As to the rest of your posting, Jones, Axil and you are further down that rabbit hole than I, so I probably can't contribute much in detail. -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... Hi Mark, Ok not cavities. Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different rates when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? Still waiting for someone to put all the pieces together nicely but am seeing where this phenomena really is a perfect storm of balanced temperatures and resonances. Makes me wonder about the waveform used by Rossi again, does the IR freq of heaters shift a little or only pwm of the same frequency? IOW is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons .. If I understand the conjecture this linkage between IR and plasmon then enables the next coupling between the plasmon electron waves and photons above the wave surface. Also, I don't know if this is supposed to be interfacing directly with the odd spectrum blue light or is there yet another step..I know Axil and Jones mentioned silicon carbide as likely target for plasmon resonance but there doesn't seem to be a consensus on whether or how long fractional hydrogen can continue to exist once it leaves the Ni geometry that allows it to form. It would be nice to see the interface immediately since plasmons have this photonic ability but if not then what is the missing step? Anybody Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I wish I was attending!! L -m From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:27 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
If they have wifi, that wouldn't be too hard to set up. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I'd mirror it, definitely. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? There must be a way for a sponsor to advertise in a streaming video player. Harry On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: I'd mirror it, definitely. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:Roland Benabou : Groupthink: Collective Delusions in Organizations and Markets
Alain, theory is not the trap. Arrogance is the trap. Theory has always been with us because that is how all observation is related to all other observations. Even Faraday believed a theory about what he observed. However, he was not as arrogant as are modern physicist. Modern physicists are taught they can explain anything and that physics is the highest science with the ability to judge all other sciences. This arrogance causes them to reject any idea or approach that was not originated by one of their kind using the language of physics, which is mathematics. They believe that mathematics is a mirror of reality and can describe any behavior, generally without having to go back to Nature for confirmation. Imagine the hubris a claim to find a theory of everything represents. NO, theory is not the problem. The belief that a particular approach to science can explain everything is the problem. Ed On Jul 1, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. true ! in 1900 physics was not in normal science mode but in early stage... see how Sternglass discovery was accepted by einstein, yet ignored later... it would have been even more easy at the faraday time. theory is a trap. 2013/7/1 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: . . . LENR surprises were and are much too unexpected- see a theory of Surprise on the Web I think Alain meant there was nothing surprising about the reaction to cold fusion. The spiteful rejection, that is. Martin Fleischmann expected this. I think Pons was surprised by it, or at least, by the intensity of it. Technically it was surprising. Perhaps it was the most surprising discovery in the history of technology. I guess radium and radioactivity were about as surprising, but cold fusion was discovered after people thought they understood nuclear reactions in detail. It turns out they don't understand them. If cold fusion had been discovered in 1900 they would have worked on it like any other new discovery and probably figured it out about as quickly as they elucidated fission. - Jed
[Vo]:E-Cat Offer and Swedish District Heating
I've seen some buzz that implies Swedish District Heating may take up Hydro Fusion's E-Cat offer but when I chased it down everything pointed to just one article self-published by Russ George [1] that actually only suggests SDH as a suitable candidate. Anyone know anything more? [mg] [1] http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/06/21/district-heating/
RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Mark, I don't think solid matter has much... aren't plasmons by nature a surface effect? Metal powders, Skeletal cats would have the largest surface areas while solid, bulk metal would only have the external surfaces... I've always suspected something anomalous about surface areas in catalysts..the way they explain a whole football field of surface area can be accounted for in a small volume of bulk material and why it can absorb so much hydrogen..too much hydrogen in my opinion - am inclined to believe they have been dealing with fractional hydrogen a lot longer than they think and is how these new hydrogen refueling prototypes are accomplishing their task. Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 4:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different *rates* when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? EXACTLY... Your regurgitation of what I was trying to describe sounds sooo much better! :) The problem is that the point where the internal oscillatory frequencies come into resonance is VERY specific and SHARP (very high Q-factor), thus, if you don't know what those temps are, you're likely to *never* encounter them and what you see is 'bulk' behavior consistent with current laws of physics... IOW, is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons? Don't limit it to just plasmons!! Does not any solid matter have plasmon/polariton/phonon oscillations going on... Each of these involve different aspects of the matter/lattice, and at different scales. Phonon (mechanical) oscillations may be affected by not only the lattice dimensions and bond strength, but also by the overall dimensions of the sample - what happens when there is a harmonic relationship between the lattice geometry/bonds and the thickness of the sample... and if considering a sample in 3D, what if there is a harmonic relationship between the phononic oscillations in ALL 3 dimensions and the dimensions/bonding strength between lattice atoms??? Is the phonon velocity and damping the same is all three dimensions To say that this kind of resonant condition would be very rare is an understatement! But when it does happen, I'll bet that current laws DO NOT APPLY... I don't know enough about each to speak intelligently, but this is a key question which perhaps someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer: - Does coupling of E from one type of oscillator to another (e.g., from plasmon to phonon) require them to come into a harmonic condition/resonance? My guess is YES. THE USUAL condition is that E is much more likely to couple between LIKE oscillators, but that it *CAN* couple to dislike oscillators if the right conditions are present. This would explain why the brute force nuclear reactions always generate daughter particle(s) + energetic *photons* which escape the material. Conditions are not such that the energy gets coupled into the lattice (phonons/polaritons)... But if that harmonic relationship can be established, then the E would couple into the lattice as in LENR. Things to keep in mind are that there are physical oscillations which depend on physical dimensions, both overall and inter-atomic, and on bond strength; as well as NON-physical oscillators, such as a photon, since it isn't a physical thing. What is the transfer function between an IR photon and a phonon oscillation??? IF conditions are such that there is a coupling between IR photons and phonon oscillations, will the amount of E in a single IR photon be even enough to cause any signif diff in the phonon oscillations, and if so, would it be constructive or destructive interference?? The YouTube vids of acoustic vibrations of corn-starch show just how diverse and dramatic resonances can be... As to the rest of your posting, Jones, Axil and you are further down that rabbit hole than I, so I probably can't contribute much in detail... -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... Hi Mark, Ok not cavities. Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different rates when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? Still waiting for someone to put all the pieces together nicely but am seeing where this phenomena really is a perfect storm of balanced temperatures and resonances. Makes me wonder about the waveform used by Rossi again, does the IR freq of heaters shift a little or only pwm of
[Vo]:Caveman Science Committee Concludes Fire Does Not Exist
Back in the caveman and cavewoman days, someone had the idea to try to create fire artificially. They had seen the heat generated by forest fires started by lightning, and they thought that fire would be just dandy to create heat and light at night and to cook meat. They were tired of eating raw meat. Since people had noticed heat was generated by rubbing sticks together, some had the idea to rub them together faster and faster. Eventually here and there people claimed they were able to start fires by this method... http://www.buildtheenterprise.org/caveman-science-committee-concludes-fire-does-not-exist Harry
RE: [Vo]:E-Cat Offer and Swedish District Heating
From: Mark Gibbs I've seen some buzz that implies Swedish District Heating may take up Hydro Fusion's E-Cat offer but when I chased it down everything pointed to just one article self-published by Russ George [1] that actually only suggests SDH as a suitable candidate. Anyone know anything more? http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/06/21/district-heating/ It would probably be worth the effort to contact http://www.solar-district-heating.eu/Portals/2/Dalenbacksmall.jpg Jan-Olof Dalenbäck Project manager CIT Energy Management AB Professor in Building Services Engineering Department of Energy and Environment Chalmers University of Technology E-mail: jan-olof.dalenback(at)chalmers.se Phone: 046 31 772 1153 image003.jpg
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat Offer and Swedish District Heating
I think that was just Russ George speculating. But he makes a good point. This would be an ideal application for heat at this temperature and volume. Process heat at similar temperatures is widely used in various industries such as making carpets or curing wood. Process heat and district heating are often derived from co-generation (combined heat and power -- CHP). See: http://www.arb.ca.gov/energy/dg/guidance/gappd.pdf They have been doing this in New York City since Edison invented electric lighting. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? Yes. The organizers have been going hat in hand to everyone they can think of, as have I. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Mark, a good example of coupling between a mechanical resonance and a magnetic field is in the operation of metglass resonators used in the 58 kilohertz electronic article surveillance systems used by Sensormatic, Inc. The energy begins as a magnetic field transmitted at 58 kilohertz into the region of interest. Some of that field is converted into mechanical energy by the high Q resonator made of a thin metglass sheet. Dave -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 4:29 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... “Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different *rates* when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other?” EXACTLY… Your regurgitation of what I was trying to describe sounds sooo much better! J The problem is that the point where the internal oscillatory frequencies come into resonance is VERY specific and SHARP (very high Q-factor), thus, if you don’t know what those temps are, you’re likely to *never* encounter them and what you see is ‘bulk’ behavior consistent with current laws of physics… “IOW, is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons?” Don’t limit it to just plasmons!! Does not any solid matter have plasmon/polariton/phonon oscillations going on… Each of these involve different aspects of the matter/lattice, and at different scales. Phonon (mechanical) oscillations may be affected by not only the lattice dimensions and bond strength, but also by the overall dimensions of the sample – what happens when there is a harmonic relationship between the lattice geometry/bonds and the thickness of the sample… and if considering a sample in 3D, what if there is a harmonic relationship between the phononic oscillations in ALL 3 dimensions and the dimensions/bonding strength between lattice atoms??? Is the phonon velocity and damping the same is all three dimensions To say that this kind of resonant condition would be very rare is an understatement! But when it does happen, I’ll bet that current laws DO NOT APPLY… I don’t know enough about each to speak intelligently, but this is a key question which perhaps someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer: - Does coupling of E from one type of oscillator to another (e.g., from plasmon to phonon) require them to come into a harmonic condition/resonance? My guess is YES. THE USUAL condition is that E is much more likely to couple between LIKE oscillators, but that it *CAN* couple to dislike oscillators if the right conditions are present. This would explain why the brute force nuclear reactions always generate daughter particle(s) + energetic *photons* which escape the material. Conditions are not such that the energy gets coupled into the lattice (phonons/polaritons)… But if that harmonic relationship can be established, then the E would couple into the lattice as in LENR. Things to keep in mind are that there are physical oscillations which depend on physical dimensions, both overall and inter-atomic, and on bond strength; as well as NON-physical oscillators, such as a photon, since it isn’t a physical thing. What is the transfer function between an IR photon and a phonon oscillation??? IF conditions are such that there is a coupling between IR photons and phonon oscillations, will the amount of E in a single IR photon be even enough to cause any signif diff in the phonon oscillations, and if so, would it be constructive or destructive interference?? The YouTube vids of acoustic vibrations of corn-starch show just how diverse and dramatic resonances can be… As to the rest of your posting, Jones, Axil and you are further down that rabbit hole than I, so I probably can’t contribute much in detail… -Mark From: Roarty, Francis X [mailto:francis.x.roa...@lmco.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:11 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances... Hi Mark, Ok not cavities. Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different rates when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? Still waiting for someone to put all the pieces together nicely but am seeing where this phenomena really is a perfect storm of balanced temperatures and resonances. Makes me wonder about the waveform used by Rossi again, does the IR freq of heaters shift a little or only pwm of the same frequency? IOW is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons .. If I understand the conjecture this linkage between IR and plasmon then enables the next coupling between the plasmon electron waves and photons above the wave
RE: [Vo]:Of Reaction Rate and Resonances...
Fran, Mark In the James Burke tradition of Connections . (understanding science as a web of interlocking connections that seem strangely out of place) It turns out the Haisch/Moddel patent supposedly captures ZPE energy - and it prominently mentions 10 micron dimension in the construction of the resonator - even though as we know the Casimir force is optimized at a lower geometry by a factor of 1000:1 (10 nm). Go figure. It is almost too much of a coincidence the way 10 microns and 10 nanometers are both turning up in various ways which could be non-random but seemingly related to excess energy and ZPE/Casimir. If you look at the Earth as seen from space - our entire sphere is a 10 micron blackbody resonator. How could that not be related to the zero point field of Earth? . in fact, every planet or other object in space could have its own ZPF with its own special frequency, no? Ours just happens to be 10 microns. See the charts on this page http://www.planetforlife.com/greenexplain/index.html There is a rather massive qualitative difference between a blackbody resonator at 10 microns and a coherent resonator at the same level. The difference can be described as over 1000 degrees K. It is provocative to suggest that what Rossi has accomplished is simply this: to convert the dominant radiation of earth (as ZPE input at the blackbody signature) into local coherency. From: Roarty, Francis X Mark, I don't think solid matter has much. aren't plasmons by nature a surface effect? Metal powders, Skeletal cats would have the largest surface areas while solid, bulk metal would only have the external surfaces. I've always suspected something anomalous about surface areas in catalysts..the way they explain a whole football field of surface area can be accounted for in a small volume of bulk material and why it can absorb so much hydrogen..too much hydrogen in my opinion - am inclined to believe they have been dealing with fractional hydrogen a lot longer than they think and is how these new hydrogen refueling prototypes are accomplishing their task. Fran From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Are you saying these internal oscillatory frequencies of reactants change at different *rates* when raising OR lowering the temperature such that you can hit upon a common temperature where they oscillate at the same or harmonic of each other? EXACTLY. Your regurgitation of what I was trying to describe sounds sooo much better! :-) The problem is that the point where the internal oscillatory frequencies come into resonance is VERY specific and SHARP (very high Q-factor), thus, if you don't know what those temps are, you're likely to *never* encounter them and what you see is 'bulk' behavior consistent with current laws of physics. IOW, is the pwm being used to fine tune an exact freq needed by the plasmons? Don't limit it to just plasmons!! Does not any solid matter have plasmon/polariton/phonon oscillations going on. Each of these involve different aspects of the matter/lattice, and at different scales. Phonon (mechanical) oscillations may be affected by not only the lattice dimensions and bond strength, but also by the overall dimensions of the sample - what happens when there is a harmonic relationship between the lattice geometry/bonds and the thickness of the sample. and if considering a sample in 3D, what if there is a harmonic relationship between the phononic oscillations in ALL 3 dimensions and the dimensions/bonding strength between lattice atoms??? Is the phonon velocity and damping the same is all three dimensions To say that this kind of resonant condition would be very rare is an understatement! But when it does happen, I'll bet that current laws DO NOT APPLY. I don't know enough about each to speak intelligently, but this is a key question which perhaps someone more knowledgeable might be able to answer: - Does coupling of E from one type of oscillator to another (e.g., from plasmon to phonon) require them to come into a harmonic condition/resonance? My guess is YES. THE USUAL condition is that E is much more likely to couple between LIKE oscillators, but that it *CAN* couple to dislike oscillators if the right conditions are present. This would explain why the brute force nuclear reactions always generate daughter particle(s) + energetic *photons* which escape the material. Conditions are not such that the energy gets coupled into the lattice (phonons/polaritons). But if that harmonic relationship can be established, then the E would couple into the lattice as in LENR. Things to keep in mind are that there are physical oscillations which depend on physical dimensions, both overall and inter-atomic, and on bond strength; as well as NON-physical oscillators, such as a photon, since it isn't a physical thing. What is the transfer function between an IR photon and a phonon oscillation??? IF conditions are such that there
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? Yes. The organizers have been going hat in hand to everyone they can think of, as have I. - Jed a monkey might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ZDOcU2TL4 Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: a monkey might help It wouldn't hurt. A monkey would feel at home in one of these conferences! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
It might be a little late but what about a kickstarter project to pay for the streaming? Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote: It might be a little late but what about a kickstarter project to pay for the streaming? Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
no, not me. I had to pick only one, so I decided to go to NI Week instead and do a demo there since ICCF delayed too long in replying to demo requests. Is anyone going to demo at ICCF?? sneak preview ..of one of two demo units, the other is still in the under construction but will be visually striking if I can pull it off: I tried to send this before with a picture, but I guess Vortex didn't like it. So here it is again without the picture. one sphere with sample, one with control(sand) in the same bath. Lab Armor Al beads for uniform bath temp, hollow (450ml) 4 brass spheres lightly plated with Au for uniform emissivity, with thermistor well and lampblack paint spot. (can also check with IR gun). The sample just stays warmer. (duration of expo is 5 days- about). I am not selling anything so that there will be no such fraud arguments. I will give vortex a heads up a little before NI Week about demo #2. But remember this is not a science experiment, it is a demo for the unwashed masses and is just to stimulate public awareness. dennis Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:56:53 -0700 From: p...@rasdoc.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: a monkey might help It wouldn't hurt. A monkey would feel at home in one of these conferences! - Jed The monkey is definitely going. Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I can go to only one, and I chose ICCF. I regret I will miss a chance to interview you. On 7/1/13 8:38 PM, DJ Cravens wrote: no, not me. I had to pick only one, so I decided to go to NI Week instead and do a demo there since ICCF delayed too long in replying to demo requests. I will give vortex a heads up a little before NI Week about demo #2. But remember this is not a science experiment, it is a demo for the unwashed masses and is just to stimulate public awareness. dennis -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Yes, it's not so much the money to stream, it's just another thing I'd have to deal with. My priority is getting good video, audio and interviews. Hope you can make it and stream, blaze. On 7/1/13 8:14 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. An iPhone or an iPheun? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2IXL9gYCAo Harry
