Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Jojo Iznart
I hope my point is now ultra clear to readers.  Axil is basically saying the 
temperature oscillation is related to Global Warming.  Hence, my point, that 
Global Warming theory has an "all-inclusive" symptoms list.  Everything is due 
to Global warming.

INTRACTABLE RIDICULOUSNESS



Jojo


  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming?


  There is a 30 year ocean temperature oscillation due to the Atlantic and 
southern sea saline inversion.



  On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

Fraud is too strong a word.  Last I heard, there was controversy about 
including temps from the 1930's ( which were unusually high).  Some people 
would discard them as an outlier, others would include them entirely. I can 
understand both opinions.





Re: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection--

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
I believe that hydrogen in space will form spontaneously into solid crystal
chains  comprised of many atoms with the protons concentrated in the
interior of these one dimensional particles and many of the electrons
orbiting on the outside zone of these nanoparticles. It is in these types
of nanoparticles that cosmological LENR will occur.


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Bob Higgins 
> wrote:
>
> Dr. Va'vra has a 2013 ArXiv paper (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf)
>> - I think it is a fascinating fit to this thread.  If someone else already
>> cited this, I apologize for the duplication.
>>
>
> I had a moment to read this paper.  Va'vra identifies his DDL hydrogen
> with dark matter.  He suggests, for example, going down into the Gran Sasso
> lab to better detect the signals which he proposes should add up to 511 keV
> (when measured across a full solid angle).  I get the impression he
> understands the DDL hydrogen to be passing *through* the earth, as one
> would expect of dark matter.
>
> This move raises a challenge to be addressed.  A DDL hydrogen atom is
> baryonic matter and can reasonably be expected to approach the behavior of
> a neutron.  I would expect the significant amount of DDL hydrogen dark
> matter passing through the earth to be equivalent to a high neutron flux,
> causing all kinds of capture events.  Va'vra mentions in passing that maybe
> such capture events would be unlikely because of a small dipole moment.
>  But I think this is just a way to have things both ways.  Even if we
> suppose that the DDL hydrogen-capture cross section is smaller than that
> for a neutron, one presumes it would still be nontrivial.  (Mills's theory
> must also address this challenge.)
>
> Eric
>
>


Re: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection--

2014-08-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

Dr. Va'vra has a 2013 ArXiv paper (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf) -
> I think it is a fascinating fit to this thread.  If someone else already
> cited this, I apologize for the duplication.
>

I had a moment to read this paper.  Va'vra identifies his DDL hydrogen with
dark matter.  He suggests, for example, going down into the Gran Sasso lab
to better detect the signals which he proposes should add up to 511 keV
(when measured across a full solid angle).  I get the impression he
understands the DDL hydrogen to be passing *through* the earth, as one
would expect of dark matter.

This move raises a challenge to be addressed.  A DDL hydrogen atom is
baryonic matter and can reasonably be expected to approach the behavior of
a neutron.  I would expect the significant amount of DDL hydrogen dark
matter passing through the earth to be equivalent to a high neutron flux,
causing all kinds of capture events.  Va'vra mentions in passing that maybe
such capture events would be unlikely because of a small dipole moment.
 But I think this is just a way to have things both ways.  Even if we
suppose that the DDL hydrogen-capture cross section is smaller than that
for a neutron, one presumes it would still be nontrivial.  (Mills's theory
must also address this challenge.)

Eric


Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
Cold fusion and Global warming have the same disruptive collection of
interest groups arrayed against them, the fossil fuel industry. When cold
fusion becomes a real energy option, the storm will break loose and it will
be far more intense than  has ever been seen for Global warming.  This LENR
storm will be far worse than you can ever imagine because Cold fusion is
considered a joke now and when that impression changes it will be an ultra
shock and a nightmare of major proponents of the carbon industries. Global
warming is now a 100 year off threat were LENR will be a threat perceived
as catastrophic in a few weeks that will spring forth out of nowhere.


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:43 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> CB, the folks that do not believe that man made global warming is the
> primary cause of the heating have a right to their opinions just as you do
> and it is not appropriate for you to write in this manner.  Perhaps you
> missed the latest statement from the modelers that the current flat
> temperature period might last until 2025 or so before the heating resumes.
> Considering that their models did not even hint that this was possible, I
> think you might want to reconsider the quality of the predictions of those
> models.
>
> I expect good correlation between what one predicts and what actually
> occurs for a process that is well understood.  If this is not seen then it
> is proper to suspect that the model is lacking.  One day these guys might
> get things right, but for now, they are seriously in error.  When do you
> think it will be appropriate to expect them to generate answers that match
> the real world?  They have come to bat and struck out this time.  Even they
> admit the lack of correlation at this point after a long denial.
>
> Surely you must realize that essentially every scientific theory will be
> shown to be incorrect at some time in the future.  It is entirely possible
> that the global warming crowd will become the ones that leave the scene
> with their tails between their legs like the tobacco industry execs
> you mention.  Complex systems are notoriously difficult to understand and
> the global climate behavior appears to be one of the most complex around.
> If you have an open mind you might want to look into the correlation
> between solar activity and cloud formation.
>
> I vote along with you that global warming is a subject of extreme
> controversy and it would be great if vortex never discusses the issue
> again.  Until that time please refrain from using inappropriate language.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CB Sites 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 8:50 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:global warming?
>
>  Jed is write in my opinion between the deniers of global warming and the
> skeptic of cold fusion, in some aspects.  I think the better analogy is
> deniers of anthropogenic global warming and the tobacco industry lobby that
> claimed tobacco didn't cause cancer.   It took a long time for that debate
> to end, with the tobacco industry having to put their tail between their
> legs and fork out billions in lawsuits.   Global warming scientists are on
> top of there game.  The people that deny global warming on the internet
> blogs, comments, and forums are so foolish and look to be nothing short of
> butt holes with an agenda.   And that agenda is to be the biggest ass that
> they can be if it conforms to what their buddy's think.
>
> I just hope this subject on global warming never again appears on vortex.
>  It's to much of an off-subject hot potato.
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:07 AM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  I can serve up thousands of similar reports on cold fusion,
>>  ***And you do.  You serve up factual reports on cold fusion.  And there
>> are thousands of factual reports on global warming.  Some conclude there's
>> manmade warming, others conclude it's caused by the sun.  Imagine that:
>> the sun warms up planets, like ours.There's a distinct lack of evidence
>> for something that is supposed to be such a friggin slam-dunk.  When it is
>> a slam-dunk, there's no need for fraud.
>>
>> This proves only that cold fusion researchers are primates like everyone
>> else.
>>  ***And so are climate researchers.  On both sides.  I've seen reports
>> that strongly correlate "global warming" with solar activity.  What a huge
>> DUHH factor.  Trying to overcome the obvious and claim that such a thing is
>> wrong, that there's some ton of evidence that says mankind causes global
>> warming... well, such a thing has a higher bar of proof now that the IPCC
>> was caught in an outright series of lies trying to make the case for global
>> warming.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Jed Rothwell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>>
>>>  here's 2 reports to chew on.  good luck digesting them.  it doesn't
 even reach back to the the fraudulent emails from ipcc yet.

>>>
>>>  I can serve up thousands 

Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
There is a 30 year ocean temperature oscillation due to the Atlantic and
southern sea saline inversion.


On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Zell  wrote:

>  Fraud is too strong a word.  Last I heard, there was controversy about
> including temps from the 1930's ( which were unusually high).  Some people
> would discard them as an outlier, others would include them entirely. I can
> understand both opinions.
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Jack Cole
Hi Steven,

Actually, that is a normal configuration for a spot welder.  The one I
ordered is 2.5V and 3200 amps.  Maybe it won't be high enough power, but if
nothing else, it could prove a possibility for triggering LENR in
electrolysis with very short pulses.  It's worth a try.

Jack



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
> amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
> low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> svjart.orionworks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>
>


Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:


> Not disagreeing with you. It was the last 10 seconds that I was focusing
> on.
>
Yeah. Me, too.

I loaded "Starship Troopers" - 1080p. But I'm not sure if I have a +
account. Good grief! Looks like I can watch the whole film. I feel like I'm
stealing. What's kind of deal did Google work out with the entertainment
industry to allow full viewing access to these full length feature films? I
don't see where I'm paying anything to watch these feature films, some in
HD too.

Actually, you just need gmail.  I wouldn't fret too much over your gift
horse dentistry.  Just enjoy.




RE: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection--

2014-08-23 Thread Jones Beene
From prior post: 

The characteristic interaction of monopoles with each other
is strong mutual attraction up to a fairly substantial distance (cm range
perhaps) and then strong mutual repulsion thereafter, leaving a large gap
which prohibits any dense aggregation of DDL, but yet encourages large
diffuse clouds of dark matter having substantial net mass which cannot
densify due to gravity, since the magnetic forces is so much stronger.

For those who do not have an understanding of the phenomenon
of attract/repel, with a large gap in between - here is a visual demo of
poly-magnets in spring mode, which precisely simulate in 2D the
characteristic of monopoles in 3D.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/J8w6gwSm_ak/?autoplay=1





 

<>

Re: [Vo]:Phys.org- Splitting Water- Nickel at 1.5 volts

2014-08-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Ron Kita  wrote:

Not sure IF this is news:
> http://phys.org/news/2014-08-scientists-splitter-ordinary-aaa-battery.html
>

This is an interesting article.  It suggests nickel oxide has a relatively
low work function.  I assume the water splitting occurs from electrons that
are emitted as current passes through the nickel material.  Presumably the
nickel oxide has a low work function and only a small current is needed to
cause the electrons to be emitted.

The article also mentions that the nickel catalyst degrades faster than
catalysts that contain precious metals such as platinum.

Eric


RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Oops. I think the specs on page 60 pertain only a much large hypothetical
configuration. I think the engineering firms BLP has contracted with may
attempt to construct a prototype more akin to the specs on page 78.
Presumably, this is a much smaller, less ambitious configuration. I'm
guessing this configuration would more closely match the specs on page 59.

 

. . . . .

 

You can view some of the specs at the following PDF file:

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Abbreviated_Business_P
resentation-8-2014.pdf

 

On page 59:

Operating Specifications:

 

Ignition current 10k A to 30kA

Ignition Voltage 4.5 V - 15V

System Peak Input Power45 kW to 450 kW

 

 

... and on page 60, the Operating specifications of an alleged 10 MW
electric SunCell generator with a rotary ignition-regeneration and Optical
Distribution and Potovoltaic Converter System.

 

Ignition current: 20k A to 30k A

Ignition voltage:   4.5 V 8 8 V.

System Peak Input Power: 90 kW to 240 kW

 

... presumably to be delivered...

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

The material through which the current flows determines the voltage
appearing across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant
range by playing with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields
enter into the equation then it is important to make the trade off such that
the current is increased at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required
results with the best COP.

 

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:

In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

 



RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
You can view some of the specs at the following PDF file:

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Abbreviated_Business_P
resentation-8-2014.pdf

 

On page 59:

Operating Specifications:

 

Ignition current 10k A to 30kA

Ignition Voltage 4.5 V - 15V

System Peak Input Power45 kW to 450 kW

 

 

... and on page 60, the Operating specifications of an alleged 10 MW
electric SunCell generator with a rotary ignition-regeneration and Optical
Distribution and Potovoltaic Converter System.

 

Ignition current: 20k A to 30k A

Ignition voltage:   4.5 V 8 8 V.

System Peak Input Power: 90 kW to 240 kW

 

... presumably to be delivered...

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

The material through which the current flows determines the voltage
appearing across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant
range by playing with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields
enter into the equation then it is important to make the trade off such that
the current is increased at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required
results with the best COP.

 

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:

In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

 



RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Terry sez:

 

> I saw it more of an escaping from the placenta thing,

> with a large cheering audience.

 

Not disagreeing with you. It was the last 10 seconds that I was focusing on.

 

> Next time viewing on the [boobtube?  flatscreen? interesting contrast]

> is sparse try this:

 

I currently employ thee monitors. Can never have enuf.

 

> http://www.reddit.com/r/fullmoviesongoogle/

> 

> I think you have to have a google+ account for it to work. 

 

I loaded "Starship Troopers" - 1080p. But I'm not sure if I have a + account. 
Good grief! Looks like I can watch the whole film. I feel like I'm stealing. 
What's kind of deal did Google work out with the entertainment industry to 
allow full viewing access to these full length feature films? I don't see where 
I'm paying anything to watch these feature films, some in HD too.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks



[Vo]:AXIL about Problem Solving

2014-08-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends.

My previous article about the Root Cause of the problems and worries
of the LENR field- had minimalist feedback being ignored as all the other
39 papers I wrote in 2014 about the same subject. It was just a new
opportunity to feel the loneliness of the long distance Blogger trying to
think outside the dominant paradigm. I have discussed only with an
Australian and an US based friend.
But now, my friend AXIL who knows that a "Friend in need is a friend
indeed" is a basic proverb in all cultures, Earthly and galactic alike
written this very helpful editorial:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/08/about-problem-solving-by-axil_23.html

Thank you, dear AXIL- yes! engineering is the key as I have learnt this
fprever 60 years ago, see here:
*http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2012/09/the-principle-of-chief-engineer.html
*


*Peter*

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


RE: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection--

2014-08-23 Thread Jones Beene
The easiest way to reconcile the latest Va’vra paper (and the 511 keV line
which comes from the center of the Milky Way galaxy) with the predicted
Naudts x-ray spectral value for DDL can be rather simple (hopefully not
naïve).

The DDL reaches a plateau of electron orbital stability at 3.7 keV. Dark
matter accumulates having this bond strength. There is no lower plateau for
a stable orbital. The rapidly alternating magnetic field of the DDL is
indistinguishable from a monopole. (in fact, a monopole is most easily
defined as rapidly alternating polar magnetism where only a intense but
nonpolar field is felt). The characteristic interaction of  monopoles with
each other is strong mutual attraction up to a fairly substantial distance
(cm range perhaps) and then strong mutual repulsion thereafter, prohibiting
any dense aggregation of DDL, but yet large diffuse clouds of dark matter
having substantial net mass are possible. The DDL are only subject to
attraction from the extreme gravitomagnetic field of a dense object like a
black hole.

The emission line which is seen in the center of our galaxy is related to
the total disappearance of electrons from an adjacent cloud of dark matter
into a black hole, and not to DDL formation ab initio. The dark matter had
been there for a very long time in DDL form.

_

This latest Va’vra paper could be an extremely important
stimulus for and evolving LENR version of the DDL. It is chock full of
detail that bears reading and rereading.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf

Although the DDL transition is at 511 keV is the focus this
paper, which is ostensibly ruled out for LENR (looked for and not found) …
the discussion of the lower x-ray ranges from 2.5-4 keV are still in play,
although it is not certain how they would be evidenced in a working reactor.
In short, the DDL of Naudts at 3.7 keV is definitely still a player for an
emerging theory, as mentioned in this paper.

Given the similarity of this higher 511 keV value to
positron annihilation, it would be interesting to try to fit this into Don
Hotson’s theory. Too bad Don is not around to do that but others may take up
the cause. It almost seems possible that some of what passes for Wheeler’s
“quantum foam” in not virtual positronium, per se, but DDL hydrogen.

From: Bob Higgins 

*   I did some additional research to find Dr. Va'vra. I found his email
and asked him about the latter 3 papers.  Here was his interesting response:

 However, there is a problem with all these
types of calculations. They use a 1920-1930 quantum mechanics. The correct
treatment must use QED. There were attempts to do that, and I mention that
in my more recent ArXiv paper: 1304.0833v3.

 Mills used fractional quantum numbers. That
is a "no no" for the classical quantum mechanics. So, I consider his method
wrong.

 Regards, Jerry

*   Dr. Va'vra has a 2013 ArXiv paper
(http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf) - I think it is a fascinating fit to
this thread.  If someone else already cited this, I apologize for the
duplication.

Bob Higgins

<>

Re: [Vo]:It must be magnetism

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
*http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-08/strange-solar-particles-might-be-affecting-earths-radioactive-materials-scientists-say?src=related&con=outbrain&obref=obinsite
*

*While examining data on radioactive isotopes, Purdue researchers found
disagreement in measured decay rates, which goes against the long-accepted
belief that these rates are constant. While searching for an explanation,
the scientists came across other research that noted seasonal variation in
these decay rates. Apparently radioactivity is stronger in winter than in
summer*





There is another correlation that might be magnetic in nature. This
relationship involves seanoal variation based on hemisphere of the earth.

However, As EMF radiation, I would expect magnetic power to be absorbed
just as light and heat would with more power absorbed in summer than in
winter. However, it is not clear what the detailed seasonal relationship is
from the article.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 12:41 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> I was expecting for you to suggest that particles were being formed on or
> very near the sun by the intense magnetic field.  These undefined particles
> would then propagate to the earth and wreak havoc on radioactive
> materials.  But instead you seem to imply that the extremely weak field due
> to solar winds is the culprit.
>
> The relatively weak local field changes do not pass the smell test to me
> because it would be quite easy for a scientist to simulate that environment
> in his laboratory and I would be surprised to find that this has not been
> attempted.  The variation in radioactive decay associated with magnetic
> fields must be documented although I am not aware of any papers about that
> subject.
>
> Another explanation for the possible modification in radioactivity is the
> neutrino flux variations arising from within the sun.   As we know, these
> little fellows are generated in enormous numbers due to fusion reactions
> within the sun and can penetrate great expanses of matter before causing
> interactions that we know how to measure.  Since they originate within a
> nucleus it does not take too much imagination to suspect that they might
> effect other nuclei during their travel.  Perhaps they impart a nudge upon
> a nucleus that is holding energy in such a manner as to increase the
> probability that it might emit the radioactive particle of choice.  This
> type of effect would show up much as you have described and would otherwise
> be extremely difficult to measure.
>
> The question that immediately comes to mind is why would the magnetic
> structures seen on and within the sun cause a change to the flux of
> neutrinos?  We know for sure that the magnetic tubes associated with sun
> spots are relatively tiny when compared to the sun's surface and that they
> penetrate deeply into the star.   Just how deep into the sun they reach is
> debatable but where ever they reach must be affected by their intense
> nature.  Could it be that the local fusion reaction is enhanced by the
> extra energy imparted to small volumes of the sun by these magnetic
> tubes?   The increased reactions would then lead to a larger number of
> neutrinos being emitted which leads to the radioactive variation.
>
> A scenario such as this would suggest that the neutrino emission rate of
> the sun might have a high frequency component that is immersed within the
> relatively larger low frequency rate that we normally measure.  It could be
> hidden to us due to the rare occurrence of detected neutrinos under normal
> conditions.  I suspect that our best techniques can only determine the
> average neutrino flux due to the infrequent interaction of these elusive
> particles.  The average rate of production of these neutrinos would define
> the average rate of energy production from solar fusion and everything
> would seem to be in order according to our present understanding of how
> energy is released within the sun.  But, in actuality it might be found
> that the energy is generated in a more complex burst type nature.  This is
> not unlike what some of us observe when we measure LENR systems.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 2:17 am
> Subject: [Vo]:It must be magnetism
>
>  On Dec 13, 2006, the sun itself provided a crucial clue, when a solar
> flare sent a stream of particles and radiation toward Earth. Purdue nuclear
> engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a
> short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate
> dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and
> a half before the flare.
>
> Read more at: http://phys.org/news201795438.html#jCp
> The unknown force from the sun must not only increase nuclear dec

RE: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection--

2014-08-23 Thread Jones Beene
This latest Va’vra paper could be an extremely important stimulus for and
evolving LENR version of the DDL. It is chock full of detail that bears
reading and rereading.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf

Although the DDL transition is at 511 keV is the focus this paper, which is
ostensibly ruled out for LENR (looked for and not found) … the discussion of
the lower x-ray ranges from 2.5-4 keV are still in play, although it is not
certain how they would be evidenced in a working reactor. 

In short, the DDL of Naudts at 3.7 keV is definitely still a player for an
emerging theory, as mentioned in this paper.

Given the similarity of this higher 511 keV value to positron annihilation,
it would be interesting to try to fit this into Don Hotson’s theory. Too bad
Don is not around to do that but others may take up the cause. It almost
seems possible that some of what passes for Wheeler’s “quantum foam” in not
virtual positronium, per se, but DDL hydrogen.

From: Bob Higgins 

*   I did some additional research to find Dr. Va'vra. I found his email
and asked him about the latter 3 papers.  Here was his interesting response:

 However, there is a problem with all these types of
calculations. They use a 1920-1930 quantum mechanics. The correct treatment
must use QED. There were attempts to do that, and I mention that in my more
recent ArXiv paper: 1304.0833v3.

 Mills used fractional quantum numbers. That is a "no no"
for the classical quantum mechanics. So, I consider his method wrong.

 Regards, Jerry

*   Dr. Va'vra has a 2013 ArXiv paper
(http://arxiv.org/pdf/1304.0833v3.pdf) - I think it is a fascinating fit to
this thread.  If someone else already cited this, I apologize for the
duplication.

Bob Higgins

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Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread David Roberson
The material through which the current flows determines the voltage appearing 
across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant range by playing 
with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields enter into the equation 
then it is important to make the trade off such that the current is increased 
at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his 
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the 
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can be 
shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million 
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required results 
with the best COP.



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:


Incase it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge amount 
ofamperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely low. I 
assumethis is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
 
Regards,
StevenVincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

 







Re: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:


>  Skip over to three minute fifty second mark, 3:50. Everything is
> explained in the final 10 seconds (5:00-5:10).
>

I saw it more of an escaping from the placenta thing, with a large cheering
audience.

Next time viewing on the [boobtube?  flatscreen? interesting contrast] is
sparse try this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/fullmoviesongoogle/

I think you have to have a google+ account for it to work.


Re: [Vo]:It must be magnetism

2014-08-23 Thread David Roberson
I was expecting for you to suggest that particles were being formed on or very 
near the sun by the intense magnetic field.  These undefined particles would 
then propagate to the earth and wreak havoc on radioactive materials.  But 
instead you seem to imply that the extremely weak field due to solar winds is 
the culprit.

The relatively weak local field changes do not pass the smell test to me 
because it would be quite easy for a scientist to simulate that environment in 
his laboratory and I would be surprised to find that this has not been 
attempted.  The variation in radioactive decay associated with magnetic fields 
must be documented although I am not aware of any papers about that subject.

Another explanation for the possible modification in radioactivity is the 
neutrino flux variations arising from within the sun.   As we know, these 
little fellows are generated in enormous numbers due to fusion reactions within 
the sun and can penetrate great expanses of matter before causing interactions 
that we know how to measure.  Since they originate within a nucleus it does not 
take too much imagination to suspect that they might effect other nuclei during 
their travel.  Perhaps they impart a nudge upon a nucleus that is holding 
energy in such a manner as to increase the probability that it might emit the 
radioactive particle of choice.  This type of effect would show up much as you 
have described and would otherwise be extremely difficult to measure.

The question that immediately comes to mind is why would the magnetic 
structures seen on and within the sun cause a change to the flux of neutrinos?  
We know for sure that the magnetic tubes associated with sun spots are 
relatively tiny when compared to the sun's surface and that they penetrate 
deeply into the star.   Just how deep into the sun they reach is debatable but 
where ever they reach must be affected by their intense nature.  Could it be 
that the local fusion reaction is enhanced by the extra energy imparted to 
small volumes of the sun by these magnetic tubes?   The increased reactions 
would then lead to a larger number of neutrinos being emitted which leads to 
the radioactive variation.

A scenario such as this would suggest that the neutrino emission rate of the 
sun might have a high frequency component that is immersed within the 
relatively larger low frequency rate that we normally measure.  It could be 
hidden to us due to the rare occurrence of detected neutrinos under normal 
conditions.  I suspect that our best techniques can only determine the average 
neutrino flux due to the infrequent interaction of these elusive particles.  
The average rate of production of these neutrinos would define the average rate 
of energy production from solar fusion and everything would seem to be in order 
according to our present understanding of how energy is released within the 
sun.  But, in actuality it might be found that the energy is generated in a 
more complex burst type nature.  This is not unlike what some of us observe 
when we measure LENR systems.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 2:17 am
Subject: [Vo]:It must be magnetism



On Dec 13, 2006, the sun itself provided a crucial clue, when a solar flare 
sent a stream of particles and radiation toward Earth. Purdue nuclear engineer 
Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived 
isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly 
during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the 
flare.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news201795438.html#jCp
The unknown force from the sun must not only increase nuclear decay rates but 
reduce them. This is an important clue to the nature of this unknown factor. 
Radioactive decay rates must be embedded in an environment that defines its 
nature. That environment can be increased or decreased based on solar activity 
and in fact is defined by solar activity.
The sun must provide an average background flux that directly affects the rates 
of decay. Various parts of the sun contribute to this background. This 
background comes from the core of the sun, but it can also be effected by 
localized regions on the sun’s surface.

It must be magnetism. Here is why…

The high magnetic fields in the sunspot-producing active regions also give rise 
to explosions known as solar flares. When the twisted field lines cross and 
reconnect, energy explodes outward with a force exceeding that of millions of 
hydrogen bombs. 
Temperatures in the outer layer of the sun, known as the corona, typically fall 
around a few million kelvins. As solar flares push through the corona, they 
heat its gas to anywhere from 10 to 20 million K, occasionally reaching as high 
as a hundred million.
Because solar flares form in the same active regions as sunspots, they are 
connected to these smaller, less violent events. Flares tend to f

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Axil Axil
The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce
the required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse
can be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5
million volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the
required results with the best COP.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
> amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
> low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> svjart.orionworks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>
>


[Vo]:Phys.org- Splitting Water- Nickel at 1.5 volts

2014-08-23 Thread Ron Kita
Not sure IF this is news:
http://phys.org/news/2014-08-scientists-splitter-ordinary-aaa-battery.html

Ron Kita, Chiralex


RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge amount 
of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely low. I 
assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 



RE: [Vo]:global warming?

2014-08-23 Thread Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
>From Eric:

 

...

 

> The argument eventually dies down and people find something else to argue 
> about.

 

One of the quincentennial interpretations of this all-too-human condition was 
best depicted in the ground breaking film, "The Truman Show":

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zYn-HHcyA

 

Skip over to three minute fifty second mark, 3:50. Everything is explained in 
the final 10 seconds (5:00-5:10).

 

Enjoy a little nostalgia!

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

2014-08-23 Thread Jack Cole
I think maybe BLP is relying on the spot welder's frequency of 33hz (at
least for some of the experiments).  But, yes, I think I'll need to replace
the mechanical switch with an SSR or other means of switching so it can be
automated in controlling when it fires.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 1:43 AM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:40:40 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >If we assume BLP's SunCell works as advertised, it would seem to me that
> >they need to design something better for the ignition process than pouring
> >particles over the rollers.  I don't see how that could ever be made
> >reliable, but that might just be a limitation of my imagination.
> >
> >It seems to me that electrolysis is a necessary part of the process
> >(although happening with a small amount of water).  It seems like an
> >alternative process would be an electrolytic cell with electrodes made out
> >of the correct material.  This would result in conversion to thermal
> >energy, which would probably be less efficient than converting light to
> >electricity if that's the goal.  But if heat is the goal then I think it
> >should be considered--in particular if it would be more reliable.  I
> >realize I am making a lot of assumptions (even that it works), but it
> would
> >seem to be worth exploring.
> >
> >I ordered a spot welder recently, which should arrive soon, and I will
> >attempt some experiments.  It won't have the same level of power that
> BLP's
> >has, so it may not work.  In one video, Mills did note that in the
> >experiment without the rollers that 3KW or 5J was enough to ignite the
> >process.  This is an 8KVA model, so maybe something interesting can
> happen.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Jack
> Note that 5 J implies only supplying 3 kW for 1.7 mS. So you will need
> either
> some electronic means of rapidly switching the power, or a fast mechanical
> way.
> Perhaps the rollers themselves can be made to do the switching -
> alternating
> conducting and insulating strips, then rotate at the correct speed?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>