Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Leonardo Corp legal position improves

[Steve High]

Why presume that the Court suspects IH as being the party who has committed
economic crime?

On Monday, June 6, 2016, H LV  wrote:

> ​from
>
>
> https://thenewfire.wordpress.com/good-prospects-for-rossi-and-leonardo-corp-lawsuit/
> ​
>
> ​<<​
> The reassignment of the lawsuit to the District Court Judge Cecilia
> Altonaga and the consulting of the economic crime specialist Magistrate
> John O’Sullivan, indicates that the court already has an initial suspicion
> towards economic crime and therefore the lawsuit will not be rejected on
> the basis of technicalities.
> ​>>​
>
> ​Harry​
>
>

[Vo]:Microscopic attractor seems strange

[Steve High]

Eye candy for the Rossi-weary 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZZcgBmS5W4&sns=em

[Vo]:Holmlid vs. the Cowled Wikipedia Conservatory

[Steve High]

You may turn to the talk page of the Wikipedia article on Rydberg Matter to
find Prof Holmlid locked in a struggle with various Keepers of the Light
who wish to see the Rydberg Matter article deleted. The good news is that
this struggle took place in 2010 and the Wikipedia entry is still up.
Holmlid may well be a force to be reckoned with.

Re: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium

[Steve High]

The story of why his invention was not carried forward is a bit alarming
and sounds like a broken record...
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/strange-life-and-stranger-death-paul-brown-case-another-smart-guy-doing-dumb-thing

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Chris Zell  wrote:

> Brown’s Resonant Battery would have been a wonderful invention, if it was
> true.  I get the impression that no one ever replicated his results.
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:52 PM
> *To:* vortex-l 
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium
>
>
>
> http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm
>
> The Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery is an ideal EMF harvester design
> to take advantage the magnetic beams produced by the SPPs. The beta decays
> usually used to produce the EMF need not be present since SPPs produce
> magnetic power directly and act as ideal generators of EMF motive force.
> Anyone who is interested in LENR should look into the theory and
> engineering related to the Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery. This
> technology will still support the Cat and Mouse drive concept. Rossi is
> realty something, How he thinks of these things is amazing.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Peter Gluck 
> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
>
>
> 3 minutes after I have sent you the daily issue of EGO OUT
>
> this was published
>
>
>
> http://lenr.seplm.ru/konferentsii/opublikovana-programma-i-tezisy-rkkhtyaishm-22-kotoraya-sostoitsya-v-dagomyse-s-2709-po-04102015
>
>
>
>
>
> It's the ICCF 19.5 Symposium. YOU CAN READ THE ABSTRACTS IN ENGLISH!
>
> Enjoy!
> Peter
>
> --
>
> Dr. Peter Gluck
>
> Cluj, Romania
>
> http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Warp Drive detected?

[Steve High]

I was happy to see "Mysterious Universe" show up on vortex.  If I could
drop a little plug here, Ben and Aaron are two very clever and gut
wrenchingly funny Australians who produce the podcast Mysterious Universe.
Devoted in equal parts to edgy science and tales of Sasquatch, it was from
them that I first learned of Andrea Rossi in 2011. They have the knack of
being very open minded but also nobody's fool when dealing with the
paranormal and it's crazy side. No surprise that they came upon and
publicized the story of the accidentally discovered warp drive. Listening
can be a powerful antidote to a gloomy frame of mind. Strongly recommended!

On Saturday, April 25, 2015, Roarty, Francis X 
wrote:

>  IMHO it is a warp but it is exactly balanced by segregation of regions
> [nano warps and nano wells] such that the net change is zero for the macro
> area where these regions exist. This segregation is how the EM side steps
> the unattainable energy calculated to create a macro sized warp [the
> Acrombie drive]. The anomaly depends on ambient gas molecules inside the
> drive to interact in a biased manner with one type of a region more than
> another to create an inertial imbalance. The vacuum test should still work
> if the device interior is sealed to maintain an atmosphere but I am unsure
> what will happen if both the interior and exterior are placed in vacuum [an
> effect might still exist in any loaded ambient gas trapped in the mirror
> surfaces but I think the vacuum will pump down most of those gases]. I
> agree with Shawyer’s claim that this is a relativistic drive but still
> argue the need to employ differential forces, without pitting the random
> motion of gas molecules against the equivalent accelerations imparted by
> the nano warps and wells established by the microwaves inside his tapered
> geometry I don’t think any net force can be measured. He needs a Heisenberg
> trap to harness the random motion of gas – we are told this ZPE is totally
> random and not exploitable but I think reducing vacuum wavelengths thru
> confinement is absolutely equivalent to increasing their wavelength thru
> near C acceleration or equivalent gravity wells.. let me make 2 points
> here.. the energy to accelerate a device is part of the energy balance but
> the energy to confine wavelengths is provided by the nature of lattice
> geometry [hall/London, Casimir]. I would suggest they use radioactive gas
> for the test atmosphere and predict anomalous half life decay proportional
> to the drive effect measured.. you cant get something for nothing so in
> effect the gas molecules are existing for longer on the time axis while
> existing “less” on the confined spatial axis [allowing us a caviat to the
> rule that HUP is too random and self-cancelling to exploit]…you get an
> inertial drive in exchange for older gas particles. I think this is still
> the same underlying principle as the Rossi drive but the effect is being
> driven by microwaves allowing him to brute force the effect at a larger
> scale while energy producing devices like the E-cat are instead focused on
> exploiting the passive effects of VP intersecting with nano confined gas
> particles. I still maintain Naudt’s had it right /hydrinos are relativistic
> hydrogen.
>
> Fran
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com
> ]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2015 1:57 PM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Warp Drive detected?
>
>
>
>
> http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/04/nasa-may-have-accidentally-developed-a-warp-drive/
>

Re: [Vo]:Probability Enhancement via SPP

[Steve High]

>
> The odd thing about Kim's paper is he referenced anomalous heat produced
> by running "HHO gas" (the combined output of hydrolyzed water) through an
> automobile's catalytic converter. Guys were doing this in their garages and
> thought that the converter was feeling a lot hotter to the touch than it
> should based on the power supplied to the hydrolyzer. Sterling Allen was
> involved in running some rudimentary calorimetry on such a catalytic
> converter and obtained results that were thoroughly unimpressive with
> respect to excess heat output. I haven't heard anything about this in many
> months and it would appear that the garage guys have lost interest in it.
> Why would Kim use such rudimentary inconclusive experimentation to underpin
> his theory? FWIW Allen's confession of "lust addiction" happened long after
> Kim referenced his work with HOH gas.


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  *From:* Axil Axil
>
> First of all, Kim’s main source is Sterling Allan.
>
> Are you saying that Dr. Kim has belittled himself for working
> with Sterling Allan?
>
> Everyone can make their own appraisal of Allan’s credibility based on his
> recent admission of moral breakdown, but I am absolutely certain that Kim’s
> colleagues and peers at the University level will conclude that citing an
> admitted pedophile as your source of information is highly belittling.
>
>
> *http://freeenergyscams.com/sterling-d-allan-waiting-to-be-arrested-for-pedophilia/*
> 
>
>

[Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

[Steve High]

Well I spent an hour or so in the HVAC world and sure enough Jed was right.
Apparently the standard for measuring air flow in a round duct involves
checking wind speed in 18 locations along three separate axes, which is
probably not practical when you are trying to assess air flow in a dynamic
system. On the other hand I think it is safe to assume that the purveyors
of natural gas have worked out a way to know precisely how much
petroleum is flowing through their pipes. In the lung doctors office you
can blow into a tube that will show precisely how much air your lungs are
moving. So if there was a monetary reason to efficiently know how much air
is moving through a system  we would probably have a reliable means of
doing so.

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Jed Rothwell > wrote:

> I have had wretched experiences trying to do air-flow calorimetery. It is
> done by HVAC installers on a daily basis, so it does work, although I
> gather it is imprecise. I know it is hard to do right.
>
> The hard parts are determining the flow rate of air, and finding the
> temperature, which varies in the stream even when you go to great lengths
> to mix the air.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]:Air Flow Calorimetry

[Steve High]

  As a non-technical person who greatly enjoys and respects this forum
I am extremely cautious about opening new threads, so I have thought long
and hard about this and I think the time is right. I hope the brain trust
here will take a little time to answer.

   My question: why would this not work?

1) Build a well insulated box about the size of a generous walk in
closet, large enough to comfortably accommodate the ECat, its electronics,
the frame and other supporting equipment, as well as a couple human
technicians.

 2) Design and build an airflow system that, under steady
conditions, can most accurately measure the temperature of the air coming
in, leaving, and the volume of air being transferred.

  3) Perform a series of calibration runs using a resistance
heater, and accurately measure the power coming through the outflow under
all combinations of temperature and airflow (and pressure if that's an
issue). By comparing these results to the known power being input to the
resistance heater, one will know the power being lost through the insulated
walls for all combinations of temperature and airflow.

   4) Turn on the ECat and run it anyway you like provided it is at
or close to a steady state. Adjust the airflow so the ECat is kept at a
comfortable temperature. Follow four simple measurements, input power, temp
in, temp out and volume of air transferred. Run your results through your
calibrated software. Now you know how much power the ECat is producing.

I think it is fair to say at this juncture that the current
report if far from convincing, for regular posters at Vortex not to mention
the general public, due to the byzantine issues being raised concerning the
IR camera, the transmissivity of the alumina, and a host of other things. I
would venture a guess that one would not be able to find a single,
objective, expert member of the human race who could look at all this and
say for certain whether the results are valid or not. And even if such a
person existed, would he or she be able to convince the common person,
given all the objections being raised by the skeptics?

   I sincerely hope that Darden or one of his lieutenants is
following this forum because I think I have something important to say. In
order for the ECat to reach its stated goal of lifting fellow human beings
out of poverty the technology is going to have to prove itself convincing
to the common, reasonably well educated person, the journalist, the
politician, the lobbyist,  the board member of the philanthropic
organization that wishes to participate in the lifting up of humanity. In
other words somebody like me. I think I would be a thousand times more
convinced by a well-conducted airflow calorimetry than by the convoluted
investigations that have taken place up to this point. If the brain trust
at Vortex has any reason to say this wouldn't work, please let me know.

Re: [Vo]:Video of the test

[Steve High]

One thing is for sure-Rossi is still Rossi- and his shortcomings that
derive from being a genius mad scientist were painstakingly and lovingly
compiled in Lewan's book. I have reason to expect that his Industrial Heat
handlers will keep him more or less pointed in the right direction. It is
emblematic of Rossi's mad scientist psyche that he would think it the
proper thing for his enterprise for him to proclaim that his potential
comings and goings during the test were not being video-monitored. His
appreciation of the value of credibility is simply swamped by his
instinctive need to keep the snakes and clowns away from his baby. I hope
there are people at Industrial Heat who will understand that the unexpected
features of this new test will require much further explanation in order to
smooth the way for acceptance of the E Cat

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> Rossi insists that there was no video of the test:
>
> THERE IS NO ANY VIDEO FOOTAGE REGARDING THE LUGANO TEST; IF SOME IS
> AROUND, IT IS A FALSE PRODUCTION. THE CHARGE HAS BEEN PUT AND EXTRACTED BY
> THE COMMETTEE
>
> Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?) cable
> strung from it, aimed directly at the ecat.
>
> If I'd been in charge I would have had multiple cameras on Rossi at all
> times he intervened.
>
> (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat  -- and the defkalion
> hyperion -- Hi, google!)
>

Re: [Vo]:Pomp weighs in

[Steve High]

A point of clarification if I might. The siloxane was never present in the
reactor. It was the adhesive used to fix the ash particles, after removal
from the reactor, so they could be analyzed for isotopic composition. The
odd thing about the isotopic analysis: if you read the appendix you will
note that the analyzers had a SEM with dozens of differently sized and
shaped particles present, they chose three specific particles for analysis
and got different results for each. That seems to introduce a bias that
makes drawing conclusions problematic. If some of the other dozens of
particles that were present had been analyzed as well would that have
painted a different picture?

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> The dimethyl siloxane type of polymer will confine hydrogen since oxygen
> carbon and silicon all keep hydrogen from escaping.
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>
>> The Lithium Aluminum Hydride was not added to the fuel mix for its good
>> looks. The Hydride had a definite purpose. Sorry, the reactor is a Nickel
>> Hydrogen reactor.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry – but this reactor is made of alumina – which is a proton
>>> conductor. Beta alumina is among the best proton conducting ceramics but
>>> you would never use any form of alumina if you wanted to retain a supply of
>>> hydrogen after startup.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All of the initial hydrogen is gone within an hour due to hydrogen
>>> diffusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This looks like a lithium-nickel reactor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Axil Axil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> NiH2 >Zn*> Ni + He
>>>
>>> 2H(1) + Ni(64) > Zn(66)* Step1
>>>
>>> Zn(66)* > Ni(62) + He(4) Step 2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You also suffer from the nuclear physics syndrome where reactions are
>>> fixed over all systems. Each LENR system has a unique transmutation
>>> character based on the way the magnetic field emitters  are deployed. In
>>> fact, each nickel particle produces a different reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Robert Lynn <
>>> robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> so the claim is essentially that this soup of elements were also
>>> consumed to exhaustion, without changing power input or output as their
>>> quantities reduced, in an amazingly perfect process that has as its only
>>> product the highest binding energy Ni62 (also consuming Ni64) and without
>>> creating any observable radiation during the process and no radiative ash.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It will require a very high level of proof to convince the world of the
>>> truth of that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 October 2014 11:15, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>
>>> You have some unfounded assumptions in your thinking that are the same
>>> assumption that the testers suffer from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The reaction does not center on the nickel or the lithium. The LENR
>>> transmutation is done in the hydrogen and the aluminum and other elements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you see this line on page 53?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sample 2 was the fuel used to charge the E-Cat. It’s in the form of a
>>> very fine powder. Besides the analyzed elements it has been found that the
>>> fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and
>>> these are not found in the ash.
>>>
>>> This means that C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn were consumed in the LENR reaction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Robert Lynn <
>>> robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> De-cloaking long term lurker.
>>>
>>> Latest test result issues that raise my suspicions:
>>>
>>> · The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism
>>> somehow converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion
>>> and fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no radioactive
>>> isotopes produced?
>>>
>>> · The test is stopped at a pre-determined time where all the Ni
>>> just happens to have been converted, and nearly all the Li7, Rossi must
>>> have done exhaustive development to judge it so perfectly.
>>>
>>> · Huge consumption of Li, Ni 'fuel' - almost to exhaustion, yet
>>> the reaction power and COP appears to not change significantly through the
>>> test.  To me that is exceptionally strange (practically magical) behaviour.
>>>
>>> If I were setting up a fake there are simple means to get power into the
>>> unit invisibly- like IR or UV lasers, fiber lasers, x-ray tubes, focused
>>> microwaves etc but I don't have enough info about the setup and facilities
>>> to make any judgement on things like this.  I'm happy with black box
>>> reactor approach, and optical thermography/calorimetry is OK for these
>>> COPs, but flow calorimetry would be better.  Unless and until truly
>>> independent testers have full control over the environment and calorimetry
>>> in facilities not controlled by Rossi these tests will not convince the
>>> world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll continue to observe, and hold some hope, but given the track

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

[Steve High]

A good time to look at the big picture:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rENyyRwxpHo

On Friday, September 5, 2014, James Bowery  wrote:

> Martin Luther King, Jr. recommended Henry George's citizen's dividend.
>  But that's the last thing he ever did.  They killed him and I believe it
> was because of that recommendation as it would have eliminated the need for
> the welfare bureaucracy and would have replaced the entire civil rights
> paradigm founded on "protected groups" with a completely neutral "general
> welfare".
>
> The American Enterprise Institute scholar and prominent libertarian
> theoretician Charles Murray pretty much recommended the same thing recently
> in his book "In Our Hands: A Plan to Replace the Welfare State".  He was
> roundly ignored by MLK's supposed supporters, libertarians and
> conservatives.
>
> The interests arrayed against this on all sides of the political divides
> are enormous:  Basically, anyone that uses the word "populist" with a sneer.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Jed Rothwell  > wrote:
>
>> Here is a good video about automation and employment:
>>
>> Humans Need Not Apply 
>>
>> Some good quotes: after the Model T, people did not say: "There will be
>> new jobs for horses we can't imagine!" There is not a rule that says,
>> "better technology makes more better jobs for horses."
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR <-> dark mater <-> DDL connection

[Steve High]

A little cross fertilization for ChemE. I recently stumbled across the
Suspicious Observers. The blogger puts up a five minute synopsis of earth
and space weather every morning at six AM. He uses absolutely gorgeous NASA
derived graphics to run through earthquakes, planetary storm and wind
patterns, and solar storm activity. The effect is mesmerizing. And he makes
a big deal about his impression that changes in solar flux trigger
earthquakes on Earth. Two days ago he put up his prediction that a sudden
upswing in solar activity along with the upcoming conjunction between Venus
and Jupiter, would likely produce an uptake in earthquakes. Sure enough
within two seconds  of clicking the youtube video about his prediction I
received notification of a 5.8 temblor in Iran via my Iphone earthquake
app. Impressive. If ChemE hasn't seen this I think he would like it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkeqXXc-nTs&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ&index=4


   And use this link for your daily report. Click the first video on
the page: http://www.suspicious0bservers.org/







On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:12 PM, ChemE Stewart  wrote:

> One of Hawking's guys visited my blog and posted this:
>
>
> http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/08/17/the-multi-dimensional-bermuda-triangle/
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 18, 2014, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Yes – this was a big fish story from some time ago until refuted… or was
>> it?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GFAJ-1
>>
>> here is the researcher at the center of it
>>
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18770964
>>
>>
>> From: Kevin O'Malley
>>
>> Uhh, maybe that's not the best source?
>> Welcome to the SCP Foundation Wiki! We are happy to have
>> you
>> aboard our creative writing project, and hope you enjoy your stay.
>> All works posted on this wiki, unless otherwise stated,
>> are
>> works of fiction. This is not a Roleplay site. The Foundation does not
>> exist.
>> Jones Beene wrote:
>> If bacteria can do it- surely modern dinosaurs … err …
>> chickens can do it as well
>> http://sandbox.scp-wiki.net/transmuting-bacteria
>> From: Kevin O'Malley
>> Such a theory would be straightforward
>> (but
>> not cheap) to test.  We contact Louis Kervran to see if he has any of
>> those
>> golden sample eggs still in storage, and submit them to the intense
>> chemical
>> testing that would be able to sift through whether they've got  KH*CO3 or
>> CaCO3 in them.
>> If we could contact old Louie … hmm… that
>> would be an anomaly in itself since he died in 1983. However, there could
>> be
>> eggs in storage somewhere. This would be a great test to do.
>> A large percentage of the eggshell would
>> be
>> potassium, in the form known as potash, so it should be possible to check
>> this out.
>> As I recall – researchers in the US
>> military
>> actually replicated this work but there were others who could not
>> replicate.
>> Not sure what the military interest was ?
>> K-rations ?  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Will BLP succeed with the aid of SunCell Technology?

[Steve High]

Huzza! Well written. I think that they-and you-are on the right track


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  
>
>
>
> It ought to be clear to most Vorts that I have had a tendency to post
> optimistic perceptions of BLP's chances of eventually pulling the SunCell
> rabbit out of the hat. Clearly, my optimism is not based on my profound
> knowledge of the scientific evidence, nor the many exotic theories that
> have been debated here. When it comes my personal assessments of BLP's
> chances, it's based on a very different form of human perception:  ... It's
> based on a feeling I get.
>
>
>
> Needless to say, I would not recommend investing a couple of million
> dollars on "...a feeling I get", not without some physical evidence to back
> it up. But then, I don't have a million dollars to invest, so I guess I've
> got myself covered in that sector. ;-)
>
>
>
> I have viewed the June and July demo videos several times. I had the time
> since I was on vacation for a good portion of July. This allowed me ample
> time to view and review the demos. It gave me time to listen to what the
> audience had to say and how Randy responded to their queries.
>
>
>
> *For better or worse, the "...feeling I get" is based on the following
> personal observations:*
>
>
>
> · The demos I witnessed were exceedingly primitive in nature.
> They all seemed to have been hastily assembled out of a combination of
> loose equipment laying around the lab, as well as components ordered from
> various industrial catalogues. All of these individual components struck me
> as having been slapped together with bailing wire and duct tape. The fact
> that the demos did not come off as slick circus performances is akin to the
> exact same development methodology I, myself, have followed countless times
> when designing new software applications. As a software designer, I've
> learned that it is prudent to test-prove the most primitive components
> independently of other variables. Do this before attempting to assemble all
> the individual components together in the hope that the final product will
> work.
>
>  · None of the demos demonstrated as of June and July were
> capable of proving OverUnity. Not even close! That did not concern me. What
> I saw instead was BLP making sure that various individual engineering
> components on the most primitive level worked as they had hoped they would.
> If another one of the most primitive components works, great. Time to put
> together another pubic demo, even if it is nothing more than a small
> increment step. It helps keep your investors informed of the progress being
> made. Most investors will appreciate being kept in the loop.
>
>  · After the demos a number of hard questions were asked of "the
> doctor". I noticed some observers (I assume: investors) repeatedly voiced a
> number of technical concerns about how the engineering staff would be able
> to construct SunCell prototype that would not eventually fail or fall
> apart, particularly under the extreme conditions of generating 2000 SunCell
> explosions per second endlessly. A 2000/second operating cycle seemed hard
> for many to swallow as being a realistic engineering goal. Randy's response
> was that the engineering firms he had contracted with have told them that
> designing the operational tolerances of a jet engine would be a far more
> difficult task to undertake. In the end I did not get a sense that these
> investors remained overly concerned. Granted perhaps most continued to take
> a wait and see approach - but not overly concerned nor alarmed.
>
>  · I recall that Randy initially spent a large amount of time
> discussing his hydrino theory as if to help justify why the demonstrations
> ought to work. I think I would agree with Jed Rothwell in the sense that
> having done so may not have really contributed all that much to anyone's
> practical understanding. It's pretty clear to me that when Randy starts
> talking about CQM he goes into his own unique altered state of
> consciousness. You can see him rattle off facts, figures, and equations
> pertaining to the Hydrino theory as if he had regurgitated all the
> theoretical components a million times before... and I'm sure he has. I
> would suspect the vast majority of investors didn't follow much of Randy's
> highly complex train of thought. But no matter. Most did not come to assess
> the validity of CQM or CP. They came to assess the validity of the SunCell
> demonstrations. I think most came away feeling that BLP remains on the
> right development track towards eventual commercial success.
>
>  · Last of all, I am astonished by the claim that the engineering
> needed to assemble a SunCell prototype appears to be an *interpolation*
> of well-understood technological and engineering principals. This includes
> the predicted electrical design that will be needed to exploit PV ce

Re: [Vo]:JANAP 128..Kudos...the Axil Enigma

[Steve High]

Great. Now we're gonna have an argument between Hindus and Buddhists. This
should be interesting.


On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> The signal to noise ratio has taken a nosedive.  I'm sure this is just a
> momentary thing, and the key individuals driving the noise will quickly
> come to their senses.
>
> I'm going to take the liberty of mixing lots of metaphors.  Imagine we're
> in a room at someone's home and it's at a party.  The people in this room
> are Vortex.  In other rooms there are other things going on.  We're having
> an interesting conversation.  The libations flow freely, and then people
> start getting a little tipsy.  A conversation gets a little heated.  One or
> two people maybe don't know when to let go of something.  They surely have
> good intentions.  But they're getting a little loud.
>
> Now imagine in the kitchen one room over there is a sleeping Buddha, who
> owns the house and is throwing the party.  Not only is he serving as the
> goodly host of the party, but, like Shiva, in previous ages he has also
> laid waste to civilizations and exiled the profligate, the wicked and the
> ones who lack self-restraint.  Let's let him continue in his deep sleep,
> for the consequences of his waking are a little unpredictable.  Let's carry
> on our conversation at a more moderate pitch, respecting the general
> inclinations of the people in the room, even if we feel we've been provoked.
>
> Eric
>
>

Re: [Vo]:a new guest editorial by AXIL

[Steve High]

Hey guys is there any chance that the discussion on radiometric dating
could be moved to another thread? Axil put a lot of work into his Egoout
posting which I think is well-written and contains a number of interesting
ideas. I would love to see these ideas getting batted around by the learned
folk at vortex, but that seems to be getting crowded out by the discussion
on radiometrics and religion. I would like to read that too, just on a
different thread. The crux of Axil's idea seems to be that nanomagnetic
excitation of the nucleus results in the production of virtual mesons that
turn into muons that go on to promote  proton-proton interactions. I am
wondering if these individual steps have received scientific exposition or
validation elsewhere, and can all this take place without having to deal
with the dreaded gamma ray?


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> We are talking rational history here, right?
>
> Google hits for
> "historicity of Bhagavad Gita"  :  3
>
> "historicity of Jesus"  :  about 214,000
>
> Several times, I have asked people who claim to believe the Bhagavad Gita,
> "do you really believe these are historical accounts"?  Their answer is
> basically no, it's just something they believe in.  They were raised
> believing it, so they don't rock that boat.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Daniel Rocha 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, specifically the Bhagava Gita. This a small text about Jesus, in his
>> previous incarnation, talking to Arjuna.
>>
>> It's very likely that Jesus was carpenter. He had a family to feed. Or do
>> you think he stared at a wall until he started preaching?
>>
>>
>> 2014-08-15 13:26 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart :
>>
>>  I am turning the other cheek by not reciprocating with an insult.
>>>
>>> As for your other point, I am not sure what you want to prove to me.
>>> Are these passages from the Mahabharata?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jojo
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Rocha - RJ
>> danieldi...@gmail.com
>>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NASA Telescope Observes Signal That Can’t Be Explained By Known Physics

[Steve High]

Well I have spent a lively afternoon communicating with Randell Mills via
his youtube channel in between seeing patients. My thought was that if he
had made a specific prediction of a 3.5 KeV emission signature PRIOR to the
release of that figure by Bulbul et al, that would be a remarkable
hitting-it-out-of-the ballpark moment for his theory . He responded with
the following:

(Mills:) The formula for the X-ray feature with a 3.48 keV cutoff appears
years ahead of this discovery in Chp 5 of my GUTCP.  The observed line is
for the transition involving the abundant reactants of H and H(1/4)

http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Chapter-5_3.5_keV_feature.pdf

http://www.blacklightpower.com/theory-2/book/book-download/
The first appears to be a realtime updated version of his text that
mentions both the 3.48 keV cutoff and the Chandra data. Having the Chandra
results already in hand makes mentioning the 3.48 cutoff figure less
compelling. The second document appears to be his text as it stood in
Spring 2014, before the Chandra results were released. If you scroll to
page 221 you will see the same language as in the first document, but there
is no 3.48 prediction, unless that is embedded in the numbers that are
presented.
So has he hit it out of the park or not? I am not skilled enough to be able
to tell.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  *From:* Steve High
>
>
>
> Someone is bound to post this, but I'm dying to know so I'll pose the
> question: what is the cosmological spectral line predicted by Mills'
> theory? Anything close to 3.56 KeV?
>
>
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg95266.html
>
>
>

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NASA Telescope Observes Signal That Can’t Be Explained By Known Physics

[Steve High]

Someone is bound to post this, but I'm dying to know so I'll pose the
question: what is the cosmological spectral line predicted by Mills'
theory? Anything close to 3.56 KeV?


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:02 AM, H Veeder  wrote:

> NASA Telescope Observes Signal That Can’t Be Explained By Known Physics
>
> BY BRANDON RUSSELL | AUGUST 2, 2014
>
>
> http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/08/02/nasa-telescope-observes-signal-that-cant-be-explained-by-known-physics/
>
> NASA researchers have stumbled upon a signal in the Perseus Cluster—one of
> the most massive known objects in the universe—that they say can’t be
> explained by known physics. Using the Chandra X-ray Observatory, scientists
> were observing 17 day’s worth of data when the mystery popped up.
>
> “It was a great surprise,” said Esra Bulbul of the Harvard Center for
> Astrophysics. “I couldn’t believe my eyes.”
>
> The Perseus Cluster is described as a huge cluster of galaxies immersed in
> an “atmosphere” of superheated plasma. “Imagine a cloud of gas in which
> each atom is a whole galaxy—that’s a bit what the Perseus cluster is like,”
> NASA says. So, in other words, incredibly, unfathomably large.
>
> The cluster’s atmosphere is filled with ions, all of which produce a line
> in the X-ray spectrum, which can be mapped using the Chandra. According to
> Bulbul, when observing Chandra’s data, an unexpected line appeared at 3.56
> keV (kilo-electron volts), “which does not correspond to any known atomic
> transition.”
>
> So what does Bulbul’s finding mean? Since the spectral line doesn’t come
> from a known type of matter, researchers are beginning to suspect it might
> be dark matter.
>
> “The menagerie of dark matter candidates that might produce this kind of
> line include axions, sterile neutrinos, and ‘moduli dark matter’ that may
> result from the curling up of extra dimensions in string theory,” NASA
> explained.
>
> So while the jury is still out, a telescope launching in 2015, dubbed
> Astro-H, could help researchers get to the bottom of the Perseus mystery.
> Equipped with a new type of X-ray detector, Bulbul believes Astro-H will be
> integral for the collection of more accurate data.
>
> “Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of this,” Bulbul said.
>
> For now, theories of dark matter abound, though researchers have admitted
> these theories are a long shot. Still, the current line of thinking is that
> dark matter consists of over 80-percent of the total matter in the
> universe, and the latest mystery reading could explain why such a line
> showed up in the first place.
>
> SOURCE NASA
>

[Vo]:The Little Engine That Could

[Steve High]

A new video of the SHT hydrogen generator in action.
Scroll Down

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:07:28#SHT_provides_video_of_hydrogen_production_during_TRC_3rd-party_test

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

[Steve High]

Hi Bob, thanks for the great exposition on Qcond. Vorticians should know
that Mills is taking questions under comments at his You Tube channel
presenting the July demo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxuoMzm2HNE
You might be able to condense your Qcond concern into a brief question and
get an answer from Mills himself

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014, Bob Higgins  wrote:

> In this case, I am talking about the previous demonstration where the COP
> was only about 2.  Were we supposed to forget about that one?
>
> Because the calorimetry was not described, and how the conductor heat loss
> was considered was not spelled out, it is not fair to assume they were
> ignored. The difference could be a factor of 2, depending on how these
> losses were accounted.  Calorimetry is frequently done by measuring
> temperature as a function of time - this provides no evidence that the
> Qcond was considered or ignored.
>
> I believe that Mills IS showing an overunity device. Others that preceded
> him with arc driven systems also showed overunity devices.  Santilli shows
> that LENR is occurring in an arc driven system (unmistakable transmutation
> evidence).  I think it is likely that Mills is seeing LENR.  He would not
> want to say this because his patents only cover the f/h heat generation and
> if it were LENR, he wouldn't have any more protection than anyone else.
>  This would affect investor response.
>
> Claims for COP being large are a big deal for Mills' company and
> investors.  If the COP is less than about 5, he is going to have a hard
> time reaching electrical break-even.  A COP of 5 is revolutionary, but it
> is not going to be a simple machine or cheap source of electrical power -
> this affects the business case and the investment.  Claiming COPs of >10 at
> this point, without supporting data is just speculative propaganda, and
> reduces the credibility of all of the LENR field.
>
> Mills does have the advantage in working in a high enthalpy regime.  The
> enthalpy of electrolytic LENR systems was really low - hard to convert to
> useful energy.  Rossi really amped up the enthalpy by first going to steam
> temperatures, and now 400-600C operating temperatures.  Mills' arc driven
> system is much hotter and higher enthalpy still - probably operating in the
> 1000C+ range.  In this range, the enthalpy is high and the Carnot
> efficiency is high.
>
> Don't get me wrong.  I have not ruled out Mills' f/h states or even a
> single DDL state as being possible.  In fact, I like the idea and feel that
> if these states exist, they would be instrumental in LENR by providing a
> means for the energy to be removed from the input atoms before fusion
> occurs, eliminating the need for a big energy release after fusion occurs
> (which is not observed).  Yeong Kim published a QM analysis that said these
> states basically do not exist.  However, the existence (or not) could be
> pre-determined by the formulation of the problem.  Mills formulated the
> problem in a different way and found these states to exist. So, I am still
> hopeful that these states exist.
>
> I applaud Mills for his steadfast research and getting the funding to do
> the work.  What I hate is the unwarranted hype with big short term claims
> that just seem to disappear into the noise as their completion date
> approaches - when they fail and are discarded.  It hurts the credibility of
> LENR research and the ability of others to get funding.
>
> Bob
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jojo Iznart 
> wrote:
>
>>  Bob, if you view the video where the calorimetry was being
>> demonstrated, it appears that the heat was calculated from the temp rise.
>> It seems to me that if there was Qcond being conducted out of the
>> conductor, it was ignore.  That means that the energy output was
>> underestimated because Qcond was not measured at all; only the temp rise in
>> the calorimeter was considered.
>>
>> Also, the COP was 4+ based on this specific single explosion, Mills did
>> not claim COP of 2.
>>
>> Jojo
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Bob Higgins
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:28 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?
>>
>>  I thought it was important to say more explicitly why I believe the
>> Mills demo calorimetry may be flawed.  I hope the enclosed diagram will
>> come through to Vortex – I have seen others come through recently and I
>> tried to make this a small image file.  If it doesn’t come through, I
>> apologize.  Since I was not there to examine the calorimeter, I am
>> describing what I believe was used - and this is just reasonable
>> speculation.
>>
>>
>> ​
>>
>> If we had an ideal calorimeter, and some energy is input inside, Ein, one
>> would expect to measure a total heat flux of the calorimeter, Qmeas, equal
>> to Ein.  If you put in 5 joules of input energy, the total integrated heat
>> measured (Qmeas) should be 5 joules of heat.  In the ideal calorimeter, 

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

[Steve High]

I think the 15 MW  would be a continuous smoothed-out number related to the
10 MW of electric power that the proposed final product would emit


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Steve High  wrote:
>
>
>> So how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15
>> megawatts of excess heat energy? My math tells me 150,000. Mill's engineers
>> will need to come up with a way to disperse the heat of 150,000 100 watt
>> bulbs from a one by one by one meter box.I still think that's going to take
>> some work.
>>
>
> 15 MW continued for how long? A nanosecond? It would not be a problem
> dispersing 0.015 J. A millisecond? 15 kJ is still not a problem.
>
> This is supposed to be flash, isn't it?
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

[Steve High]

I realized this morning that I am mixing up the proposed final product with
the proof of concept prototype that Mills says he can bring out in twenty
weeks, which would have much less of a heat dissipation issue. Mea Culpa
for that. Vortex is such an amazing sandbox to play in, gotta be real
careful not to use it as a cat litter box :-)


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  From Steve High
>
>
>
> > It occurred to me to consider the heat dissipation issue in terms of
>
> > 100 watt incandescent light bulbs, acknowledging that most of the
>
> > energy emitted  from an incandescent bulb is in the form of heat. So
>
> > how many 100 watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15
>
> > megawatts of excess heat energy? My math tells me 150,000. Mill's
>
> > engineers will need to come up with a way to disperse the heat of
>
> > 150,000 100 watt bulbs from a one by one by one meter box. I still
>
> > think that's going to take some work.
>
>
>
> If your calculations are correct I would agree. It seemed to me as if
> Mills was dismissing the presumed heat generated as a byproduct. It was as
> if he simply wasn't interested in the heat. Granted, he wasn't against the
> idea of collecting heat for industrial use. It was more a matter that Mills
> seemed, at least to me, to be much more interested in collecting the light
> spectrum for PV cell conversion. (Presumably it would be a far more direct
> way of generating electricity than from heat & steam.) It's almost as if
> Mills may be missing the much bigger goldmine here of what is presumed to
> be a huge amount of generated heat that perhaps in the end may very well
> have very good industrial applications. This may include the possibility of
> generating electricity the old fashion way via from steam which in turn,
> turn turbines to generate it.
>
>
>
> That said, I am still under the impression that the engineering firms
> involved would have to be aware of the theoretical amount of heat that is
> predicted to be generated. Therefore, they will need to address the matter.
> I don't get the impression that they have been intimidated. My POV is: they
> are, after all, engineers, and good engineers love a good challenge.
>
>
>
> Perhaps we may eventually end up seeing how "good" they are... or not.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> svjart.orionworks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>

Re: [Vo]:Is the SunCell a titanium burner?

[Steve High]

It occurred to me to consider the heat dissipation issue in terms of 100
watt incandescent light bulbs, acknowledging that most of the energy
emitted  from an incandescent bulb is in the form of heat. So how many 100
watt incandescent bulbs would be equivalent to the 15 megawatts of excess
heat energy? My math tells me 150,000. Mill's engineers will need to come
up with a way to disperse the heat of 150,000 100 watt bulbs from a one by
one by one meter box.I still think that's going to take some work.


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Jojo Iznart  wrote:

>  1.  I agree, 5J input should be completely charaterized and documented.
> Mills talked about IGBT power supplies in the upcoming prototype.  These
> advanced power supplies should help answer this question.
>
> 2.  I don't agree with your analysis of the Bomb Calorimetry.  Larger
> conductors if any should lessen the heat because its resistance to current
> is lower.  Furthermore, larger conductors have a larger and heavier thermal
> mass and should therefore absorb heat and cause the temperature rise to be
> lower.  The heat output was estimated from the temperature rise.  If there
> is a large thermal mass like large conductors, it should cause a lower
> temperature rise inside.   If any, the modifications you object to would
> "UNDER" estimate the output power.  Besides, it matters not if there is a
> large conductor.  You claim that these larger conductor carried heat.
> Yea??? heat from where to where.  Everything is inside the calorimeter.
> So, unless there was a big heat source behind the bomb calorimeter
> "conducting" heat from the outside to the inside via the Large conductors
> .   Besides, they characterized the temp chart due to room temperature
> effects.  So, I find your objections illogical and unfounded.
>
> 3.  I find all these concerns about too much heat to melt the PV panels
> unreasonable and uninformed.  In fact, Mills addressed this concern several
> times in the video.  Let me state his case better here by summarizing a few
> key points.
>
> a.  The explosion energy output was characterized to be predominantly
> light in the visible range.  I believe the number was estimated to be
> 80-90% light output.  Only a small proportion is heat as evidence by the
> low pressure pulse gradient measured.  So, the output is predominantly
> light.
>
> b.  Current production triple junction PV panels can achieve 43%
> conversion.  This applies to natural sunlight which is not perfectly tuned
> to the physics of the semiconductor used.  Mills is claiming that his
> explosion's light output can be tuned in wavelength to more perfectly match
> the PV panel, so the efficiency should increase from 43%.  I find this
> claim reasonable and believable.
>
>c.  Mills claims that according to their measurements, the output
> intensity of the light corresponds to approx 10,000 suns.  There is no PV
> technology that can take 10,000 suns.  So, Mills designed an
> ingenious light distribution system composed of a network of  semi
> transparent mirrors to divide the 10,000 suns into PV panels that can only
> accept from 250 suns to a few thousands suns.  Hence, each PV panel is
> being fed 250 to a few thousand suns of intensity.
>
>d.  We know that if the PV can be designed to accept this intensity
> without melting, that efficiency goes up considerably.  This is proven in
> the industry with concentrated solar PV panels already being sold.
>
>e.  The problem of course is heat which would degrade efficiency and/or
> melt the PV panels.  This is true and known - that's why manufacturers
> desgined water cooling ports into PVs designed for concentrated solar
> applications.  With water cooling flowing behind the PV panels, heat can be
> controlled and PV efficiency skyrockets.  Obviously the capacity of the
> cooling system is matched to the intended application.  If the manufacturer
> advertises that his panel can take 1000 sun continuously, then it is
> obvious that he has properly designed his cooling system to removed the
> expected generated heat.  That is a given and thinking otherwise is just
> petty and unreasonable.
>
>f.  1000 suns from our sun is the same as 1000 suns from the hydrino
> explosion.  Why would the expected waste heat be different?  And why would
> it melt the PV when it is properly sized. 1000 suns is 1000 suns
> irregardless of the source.  Many people here speculated, (rather
> erroneously) that the waste heat would melt the suncell PV panels.  This
> conclusion is uninformed.  With proper water cooling, heat is manageable.
> Dissipating 15MW of heat is quite manageable within the expected size of 1m
> x 1m x 1m suncell cube.  There is nothing unreasonable here.
>
> So, to conclude point 3, the combination of light wavelength tuning (point
> 3a) , the use of a few thousand suns of concentration (point 3c & 3d) and
> the appropriate water cooling (point 3e & 3f) should cause the PV
> efficiency to ris

Re: [Vo]:One Hot Little Number

[Steve High]

Given the powers-that-be that control government decision-making, it could
be that gullible investors are humanity's last best hope. Perhaps it would
be better to keep quiet about the elephant in the room. A real conundrum


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Steve High 
wrote:

> Jones, the tragedy in this is, as you yourself have suggested on several
> occasions, Mills is probably a genius and effect he is exploring is
> probably real although not well explained (or maybe it is). His "product"
> is still far from ready for prime time. In a sane world the government
> would see the enormous potential in his work, and provide him with the same
> support it provides countless other nascent technological ideas that have
> life-saving potential. He shouldn't have to use sophisticated hucksterism
> to propel his work forward. Alas this is the same refrain we have spoken of
> a thousand times already.
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>>   *From:* Steve High
>>
>>
>>
>> At 1:31 of part 1 of his July 21 demonstration Mills tells us that in
>> order for the Sun Cell  to produce 10 megawatts of electricity it will need
>> to create 25 megawatts of light energy, as the PV cells have a 40%
>> conversion ratio. I presume that will leave 15 megawatts to be dissipated
>> as heat (it has to go somewhere, right?) With that much heat wouldn't the
>> reactor itself nearly glow with the intensity of the sun? I'm just a simple
>> country doctor so probably I'm missing something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve – You probably do not take this too seriously, so you are not
>> missing the fact that it is not science – it is hucksterism with a dose of
>> sophistication. The “40%” conversion ratio should make it clear to anyone
>> who follows solar cells that Mills is blowing smoke. Affordable cells for
>> use in mass production are below 20% efficiency. The Boeing/Spectrolab
>> triple junction cells which have produced 40% on occasion are not available
>> at reasonable cost. And even if they become available - they are actually
>> rated for 32% continuous and are now extraordinarily expensive – 500 times
>> more than silicon per watt. NASA can pay that but can you?
>>
>>
>>
>> So instead of dissipating 15 megawatts to get 10, less the reprocessing
>> overhead (assuming that it works at all for more than a few days) it would
>> be closer to dissipating 40 MW to get 5… which isn’t bad if it were true.
>>
>>
>>
>> But given Mills’ track record, do not sign a check just yet. If history
>> is an indicator - you will never see it being sold. Mills has raked in a
>> few million more from a few more suckers, in this round of investment, and
>> in 2015 there will be something else. SunCell what? Maybe in a museum some
>> day.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:One Hot Little Number

[Steve High]

Jones, the tragedy in this is, as you yourself have suggested on several
occasions, Mills is probably a genius and effect he is exploring is
probably real although not well explained (or maybe it is). His "product"
is still far from ready for prime time. In a sane world the government
would see the enormous potential in his work, and provide him with the same
support it provides countless other nascent technological ideas that have
life-saving potential. He shouldn't have to use sophisticated hucksterism
to propel his work forward. Alas this is the same refrain we have spoken of
a thousand times already.


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>   *From:* Steve High
>
>
>
> At 1:31 of part 1 of his July 21 demonstration Mills tells us that in
> order for the Sun Cell  to produce 10 megawatts of electricity it will need
> to create 25 megawatts of light energy, as the PV cells have a 40%
> conversion ratio. I presume that will leave 15 megawatts to be dissipated
> as heat (it has to go somewhere, right?) With that much heat wouldn't the
> reactor itself nearly glow with the intensity of the sun? I'm just a simple
> country doctor so probably I'm missing something.
>
>
>
> Steve – You probably do not take this too seriously, so you are not
> missing the fact that it is not science – it is hucksterism with a dose of
> sophistication. The “40%” conversion ratio should make it clear to anyone
> who follows solar cells that Mills is blowing smoke. Affordable cells for
> use in mass production are below 20% efficiency. The Boeing/Spectrolab
> triple junction cells which have produced 40% on occasion are not available
> at reasonable cost. And even if they become available - they are actually
> rated for 32% continuous and are now extraordinarily expensive – 500 times
> more than silicon per watt. NASA can pay that but can you?
>
>
>
> So instead of dissipating 15 megawatts to get 10, less the reprocessing
> overhead (assuming that it works at all for more than a few days) it would
> be closer to dissipating 40 MW to get 5… which isn’t bad if it were true.
>
>
>
> But given Mills’ track record, do not sign a check just yet. If history is
> an indicator - you will never see it being sold. Mills has raked in a few
> million more from a few more suckers, in this round of investment, and in
> 2015 there will be something else. SunCell what? Maybe in a museum some day.
>
>
>
>
>

[Vo]:One Hot Little Number

[Steve High]

At 1:31 of part 1 of his July 21 demonstration Mills tells us that in order
for the Sun Cell  to produce 10 megawatts of electricity it will need to
create 25 megawatts of light energy, as the PV cells have a 40% conversion
ratio. I presume that will leave 15 megawatts to be dissipated as heat (it
has to go somewhere, right?) With that much heat wouldn't the reactor
itself nearly glow with the intensity of the sun? I'm just a simple country
doctor so probably I'm missing something.
Steve High

Re: [Vo]:Documentary about ecological damages done by Rossi in Italy. (subs. in Jap)

[Steve High]

Nice try, but I can categorically state that this schlock-thriller has
nothing to do with Dottore Rossi, there being a complete absence of snakes
and clowns, despite the propensity of snakes and clowns to figure
prominently in movies of this sort.



On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Daniel Rocha 
wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ca1N4hFFQk&list=UUBbbFPLSMkDhHBPdazJOEaA
>
> --
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com
>

Re: [Vo]:Don Hotson has passed away

[Steve High]

Here is a sure indication of his value, to physicists with open minds:
decades of asking obvious but inconvenient questions (where does spin
energy come from?) providing testable answers with theories that predicted
observations that have subsequently been made, but remain unexplained to
the general consensus---and no Wikipedia entry. Wow.
(I gleaned this from the Infinite Energy article. I hope I got it right)

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
>
> *From:* Steve High
>
>
>
> How about a brief eulogy for those of us who are not familiar with Don
> Hotson's contributions. Thanks
>
>
>  This is a pretty good summary of his work.
>
>
>
> http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue86/hotson.html
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Don Hotson has passed away

[Steve High]

How about a brief eulogy for those of us who are not familiar with Don
Hotson's contributions. Thanks

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014, MarkI-ZeroPoint  wrote:

> Ditto...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com ]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:59 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Don Hotson has passed away
>
> Our loss.
>
> Thanks, Jones.
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Jones Beene  > wrote:
> > It is a great loss to learn of the passing of Don Hotson. He had been
> > ill for some time.
> >
> > He died peacefully at a family home in Dayton, Washington on June 11
> > according to his son.
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Free hydrogen with fuel cell powered

[Steve High]

I have to ask: is the entity "Jones Beene" really a supercomputer?


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>   *From:* Jed Rothwell
>
>
>
> Since the Hyundai drive train has to be completely electrical, in order to
> work with the fuel cell - that means that the same platform (used with the
> hydrogen fuel cell) would be instantly adaptable to a version of LENR where
> direct electrical conversion was implemented. It could be almost as simple
> as a swap.
>
>
>
> Why is this any different from any electric car, such as the Leaf, or the
> Tesla?
>
>
>
>
>
> Typically the battery pack (in the Tesla for instance) is a large
> expensive LiFePo unit which is engineered as a sealed monolithic block (for
> fire protection) with special cooling channels built into the chassis. This
> is much larger capacity than what is needed for the situation where an
> electrical generator is available. You cannot simply remove a percentage of
> that large capacity without waste. Here is an image:
>
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kyd5zxp
>
>
>
> The new Tucson,  in contrast has less than one kWhr of energy capacity in
> its pack. In fact, the LENR powered vehicle could potentially use the less
> expensive lead-acid AGM batteries, since so little capacity is needed. That
> would save some cost over lithium, but the Tucson uses lithium.
>
>
>
> The drive motor cannot be driven directly from the LENR reactor or fuel
> cell, since they typically need to be constant output devices - so
> intermediate capacity of batteries is needed - as a medium-sized buffer and
> for instant power demands - and for reasons of thermal control and feedback
> in the case of the ECat (presumably).
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit

[Steve High]

Well put, and I  feel constrained to point out that once the name of Bill B is 
invoked it's a lot like speaking the name JHWH. In short order the avenging 
angel will arise and impose His terrible swift justice. Not a pretty sight, 
leaves one shuddering in one's boots. One time He even shut the place down for 
five days so He could clean house. We all felt duly chastised and this would be 
a historically bad time for that to happen. Hence the heartfelt request: please 
play nicely in the sandbox(smiley emoticon)

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit

[Steve High]

I agree with having an interested public.   I also think that having a highly 
interested stakeholder could prove useful in the political realm. To that end I 
have been trying to get the trade association for the drought ravaged central 
California growers interested. If the coastal cities had enough available 
energy to economically suck on a straw from the Pacific, then the growers would 
have enough water to grow their veggies and stay in business. Not surprisingly 
I have yet to receive a nibble in response. But if the upcoming report is 
impressive I will take another crack at it. 

Steve High

[Vo]:Swedish Professors Chomping at the Bit

[Steve High]

 The folks up north are apparently a bit peeved over being slimed by their 
local media:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/06/03/swedish-e-cat-testers-issue-statement/


I can imagine that it's a bit unpleasant to find your reputation being trashed 
in this manner by your government-sponsored radio network. The radio message 
was very simple: Rossi is a scam so anyone supporting him is a fool. So they 
decided they didn't feel like waiting for their next report to come out and 
made a bit of a pre-emptive jump at the next stage. The wording in their final 
paragraph is interesting. "Such tests have now been carried out and the results 
will be reported in a new scientific article."
This is not a statement you would be at all likely to make if you are 
about to publish a report that would undermine your previous report. Especially 
if your reason for making the statement is to fight off accusations that you 
were taken in by a scammer. So what effect does this have on the "Rossi is 
Real" equation we've been hassling over?


Steve High

[Vo]:Solar Panels Drain the Suns Energy Experts Say

[Steve High]

As if things weren't bad enough we now learn that solar energy is dimming the 
lights. 

http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/

Commence Debunking in 3...2...1...

I know, I know. Wyoming is a beautiful high desert state but not a lot 
happening at the Wyoming Institute of Technology. I checked their website-no 
sir not a lot happening. 
Still with Quantum entanglement and all  can we be really sure we are not 
depleting our big friendly sky god ?

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:Anomalous heat production validated by a Young Dude

[Steve High]

Soa presumably capable researcher puts hydroxy nickel in a sealed crucible, 
matches it with an equal mass of indium, heats the crucibles to 300 degrees and 
measures an elevated heat signature from the active crucible. This result is 
invalidated because there are no hydrinos? I would prefer to see if the 
experiment can stand on its own legs, and being relatively simple in design, 
get replicated in short order. If anyone listening has access to a differential 
scanning calorimeter you could probably do it yourself. 

Steve High

On May 25, 2014, at 3:01 PM, Danny Ross Lunsford  wrote:

> 
> "The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Physics" - enough said. I don't know 
> which is more irritating, that mainstream people ignore the transparent 
> reports of telescopes and thermometers, or that self-serving narcissists 
> invent their own worlds and push them on those who have lost their patience.
> 
> -drl
>  
> ---
> "I write a little. I erase a lot." - Chopin
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

[Steve High]

IIRC, a while back somebody proposed that the reason Defkalion wanted to go on 
the Canadian stock market was that there was less supervision in Canada 
regarding potentially fraudulent stock market offerings than under the American 
SEC. There was that seemingly bright moment about a year ago when DFK was 
apparently ready to  go public on the Canadian market. 

Steve High

On May 21, 2014, at 10:38 AM, Daniel Rocha  wrote:

> Isn't SEC something from US? DGT doesn't have business in US as far as I know.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Daniel Rocha - RJ
> danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

[Steve High]

Well we could perform sort of a thought experiment and imagine that Defkalion 
had been issuing stock under the auspices of the SEC. My hunch is that at this 
point they would be at or over the undefined line that John Rohner crossed when 
he got busted. I think that what happened with Rohner was that several of his 
stockholders had suffered all they could take and loudly complained to the SEC 
which duly took action. The SEC complaint specifically stated that there was no 
evidence that Rohner's process was based in reality and was therefore 
fraudulent. And Rohner was loudly proclaiming that he had  a functional device 
which he clearly did not. Still a little wiggle room left for Defkalion I would 
think, provided they are actually able to demonstrate something producing at 
least a little excess heat

Steve High

On May 21, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Papp was grated a patent for the Papp engine and was in fact awarded patent 
> of the year honors for his design and demonstration.
> 
> IMHO, this patent puts the Papp engine in another category from cold fusion.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Steve High  wrote:
>> Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking 
>> legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy 
>> John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion 
>> but definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the 
>> Papp Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly 
>> busted by the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma 
>> transformed into feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt 
>> interference. 
>> 
>> Steve High
>> 
>> On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, "Kevin O'Malley"  wrote:
>> 
>>> The legal system DOES rely on precedent.  And there's tons of it when it 
>>> comes to fraud.  Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>> I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal 
>>>> system provides consistency.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Axil, that's not how the legal system works.  There are no "cold fusion 
>>>>> laws".
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>>>> Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't 
>>>>>>> work so they give you money, that's Fraud.   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You can use a dictionary, if you like.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>>>>>> To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to 
>>>>>>>> pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The subject matter is meaningless.  The subject could be pink unicorn 
>>>>>>>>> fairy dust.   
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words " 
>>>>>>>>>> criminal statute", fraud, NDA, jail, and "illegal actions" apply. 
>>>>>>>>>> When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes 
>>>>>>>>>> generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it 
>>>>>>>>>> legally possible to bring  Gamberale to account.
>>>>>>>>>> 

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

[Steve High]

Somebody wanted to know if there was a precedent for the authorities taking 
legal action in a cold fusion case. Well let's not neglect to consider crazy 
John Rohner and his Intelligentry corporation. Admittedly not cold fusion but 
definitely related. The Plasmic Transition Process descendent of the Papp 
Engine. Well John Rohner crossed some undefined line and was soundly busted by 
the SEC. All assets seized, fever dreams of bursting plasma transformed into 
feverish conspiracy theory sputterings about govt interference. 

Steve High

On May 21, 2014, at 1:38 AM, "Kevin O'Malley"  wrote:

> The legal system DOES rely on precedent.  And there's tons of it when it 
> comes to fraud.  Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt?  
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal 
>> system provides consistency.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker  
>> wrote:
>>> Axil, that's not how the legal system works.  There are no "cold fusion 
>>> laws".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>> Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work 
>>>>> so they give you money, that's Fraud.   
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can use a dictionary, if you like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>>>> To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink 
>>>>>> unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>> The subject matter is meaningless.  The subject could be pink unicorn 
>>>>>>> fairy dust.   
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>>>>>>>> At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words " 
>>>>>>>> criminal statute", fraud, NDA, jail, and "illegal actions" apply. When 
>>>>>>>> a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes 
>>>>>>>> generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it 
>>>>>>>> legally possible to bring  Gamberale to account.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Blaze Spinnaker 
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Interesting point, Jed. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca 
>>>>>>>>> would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and 
>>>>>>>>> they don't want to have to defend against that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to 
>>>>>>>>>>> be impossible to get anyone to trust you again.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not "busted his NDA 
>>>>>>>>>> openly," warned the customers, and closed down the company, he could 
>>>>>>>>>> end up in jail. Defkalion cannot enforce an NDA that calls for the 
>>>>>>>>>> person under that NDA to commit fraud. You cannot abide by an NDA 
>>>>>>>>>> contract that calls for illegal actions. Defkalion cannot enforce 
>>>>>>>>>> that, or sue for breach of contract. You cannot sue someone in civil 
>>>>>>>>>> court because they refused to violate a criminal statute.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It may be difficult for Gamberale to get anyone to trust him now, 
>>>>>>>>>> but if he had continued it would have impossible for him to get the 
>>>>>>>>>> police to believe him, which is a far worse predicament.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is real life. You cannot go around trying to sell non-working 
>>>>>>>>>> machines for millions of dollars. People who have millions of 
>>>>>>>>>> dollars will definitely go to the authorities when they find out you 
>>>>>>>>>> have robbed them. This is not like selling fake Rolex watches from a 
>>>>>>>>>> suitcase on Broadway.
> 

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Steve High]

An acknowledgement: as of Sunday Morning the PESN moderator did pass through 
the reports from Axil and myself concerning the Chinese soda bottle factory 
affair. I therefore withdraw any cynicism I may have evidenced 

Steve High

On May 3, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Correction: STI should read SHT
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> I posted this picture of the STI reactor to the pure energy systems site. It 
>> did not pass moderation. I wonder why??? The opinion of  Sterling D. Allan 
>> of Pure Energy Systems News has diminished markedly as a result of this 
>> action.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> All I did was cropping and resizing
>>> 
>>> http://imgur.com/lZYMTOx
> 

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Steve High]

Yup. I just did the same thing and did not pass moderation. BTW I checked the 
website of the foundation that SH(i)T claims provided a grant. Any guesses 
which name does NOT appear among the list of "grantees to date"?

Steve High

On May 3, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> Correction: STI should read SHT
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> I posted this picture of the STI reactor to the pure energy systems site. It 
>> did not pass moderation. I wonder why??? The opinion of  Sterling D. Allan 
>> of Pure Energy Systems News has diminished markedly as a result of this 
>> action.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>>> All I did was cropping and resizing
>>> 
>>> http://imgur.com/lZYMTOx
> 

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Steve High]

Re the shutterstock image. It's the same picture. You can crop the Shutterstock 
image to match the truncated piece of whatever that is that's on the SH(i)T 
website and everything matches exactly detail for detail. A remarkable piece of 
sleuthing,Jones. Is there actually software that allows one to input an image 
that can then be matched against everything on the web? That would sure be the 
bane of every two bit scam artist.  

Steve High

On May 3, 2014, at 1:56 PM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

> From: Axil Axil
>  
> Here is more info from Revolution Green web site. "Konstantine Balakiryan, 
> PhD, is a founder and CEO at Solar Hydrogen Trends Inc. As a chief scientist 
> he is the driving force behind the 7 models of the hydrogen reactor. 
> Konstantine was a Professor and head of physics, chemistry and mathematics 
> department at the Russian University of Friendship (Moscow).
>  
> Funny thing, Axil. Most PhD’s have a few relevant publications, especially in 
> an advanced technology if they are promoting that technology and trying to 
> raise tens of millions. Or at least a Patent or two. Are there any patents or 
> publications for Balakiryan? I’ve been unable to find them if they are out 
> there.
>  
> However – look at the picture of the impressive “reactor” which appears on 
> the SHT website: http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/img/laboratory.jpg
> Indeed, one would need something like this to handle 16 different chemical 
> reactions, as they claim? OTOH, doesn’t that pic look remarkably like this 
> bottling machine from China: 
> http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-166130981/stock-photo-drinks-production-plant-in-china.html
>  
> Coincidence? Maybe the same company designed both?
>  
> In the case of Balakiryan, a quick googling turns up zero publications, no 
> discussion on Physics boards, and no patents … yet a number of telling 
> comments like this one:
> Dear Kourtney,
> I have an idea for a new line of jeans named ”Salvador Dali” by Kourtney 
> Kardashian. This innovative concept will astonish the fashion world. Please 
> call me, so I can send you some of the designs.
> 602 618 4222.
> Konstantin Balakiryan
> PhD, Professor
> Yes, this is/was indeed the Telephone # of a person named “Dr Konstantin 
> Balakiryan,” but maybe it is his son, who is also a young professor ? - 
> instead of the genius who is now CEO of Solar Hydrogen Trends.
>  
> All of this is circumstantial and means nothing really, if KB is really a top 
> scientist, and if there is truth to these claims.
>  
> Yet since SHT are actively seeking money which could go into honest 
> alternative energy R&D, should the commentators on Vortex not question 
> whether or not he is a real scientist or a con artist instead?  Of course, 
> maybe he is just interested in getting into Kourtney’s jeans at the same time 
> as he is saving the World by converting oxygen into hydrogen J
>  
> The point being – it is probably wise for vocal proponents of LENR to “wait 
> and see” if there really is any small shred of evidence for these incredible 
> claims - besides that of a SoCal smog tester dude who does not want to talk 
> about the SHT testing on the record.
>  
>  

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Steve High]

Yes, look at how little oxygen is present in the exhaust gas, verified by a 
"reputable" testing company. I'm assuming that this ain't hydrolysis-wouldn't 
hydrolysis give you roughly one third oxygen? Listen to the interview if you 
have the time. The inventor appears to be blithely suggesting that there is 
wholesale conversion of oxygen to hydrogen taking place in there. Huh what?
I find it fascinating that a person with the integrative skills to produce the 
patents we find in his résumé, would be able to smilingly suggest that he has a 
machine that uses 700 watts of electric power to convert oxygen to hydrogen. 
Wouldn't that be a rather endothermic procedure?
It increasingly feels like we are peering through a looking glass at what could 
mildly be described as an Alice-in-Wonderland parallel universe. Once the door 
is open wide enough something is bound to come through. Are you prepared to 
meet the Red Queen, or perhaps the Singularity that surpasses all 
understanding? I really want to be around to hear the Rest of the Story!
Steve High

On May 3, 2014, at 1:44 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> 
> 
> Take a look at the third party test results.
> 
> http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_Solar-Hydrogen-Trends_revolutionizing-all-energy/SHT_performance%20_test.pdf
> 
> I could not find how long this test ran.
> 
> 
> On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 12:07 AM,  wrote:
>> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Fri, 2 May 2014 16:28:20 -0400:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:
>> >
>> >>  How much energy does it take to make TETA?  Its an old radioactive
>> >> chelating agent and not cheap used in decontamination.  However, it
>> >> production costs may have improved since the time we used it
>> >>
>> >
>> >US $20-22 / *Liter* *( FOB Price)*
>> >800 Liters *(Min. Order)*
>> >
>> >The economic flaw in this system is the cost of the consumables.
>> 
>> I wonder if they have taken into account all possible sources of energy in 
>> the
>> system? The temperatures available during cavitation would likely catalyze 
>> any
>> chemical reaction that was energetically possible, and then there is the 
>> energy
>> from ultrasound generators etc. as well.
>> I don't expect that the latter would contribute much, however the chemical
>> energy could be considerable. I would like to see a proper accounting,
>> especially given the claim that they can get 1 kg H2 from 1 kg H2O. That 
>> claim
>> is most likely a simple mistake, but might be true if the Hydrogen is also
>> coming from other chemicals in the mix.
>> In order for it to be true for only water, they would have to be converting 
>> all
>> the Oxygen into Hydrogen too, which apparently is what they believe is
>> happening. If so, then they are being extraordinarily wasteful. In order to
>> split Oxygen into Hydrogen you need to supply roughly the binding energy of
>> Oxygen which is about 127,000,000 eV. Having spent 127,000,000 eV converting
>> Oxygen into Hydrogen, they then get back about 12 eV in chemical energy, when
>> the Hydrogen is burnt using atmospheric oxygen, about 1 part in 10 million of
>> the energy input. They might do better to find a means of tapping the 
>> original
>> energy source more directly. ;)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>> 
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Oxygen to hydrogen?

[Steve High]

One thing that's different about this free energy scheme is how easy it would 
be to "close the loop" ie use the output to provide the input and disconnect 
the system from any power supply. My assumption is that a gas powered generator 
could be or already has been modified to run on hydrogen gas. That makes it a 
no brainer to use the hydrogen output to provide the electric power at the 
front end. That also makes this company's scientific claims (400 times over 
unity) so easily falsifiable. If the company won't agree to close the loop take 
your money off the table. 

Steve High

On May 1, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Patrick Ellul  wrote:

> I must say, the acronym for the company name is SHT.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYliDUI8bY4#t=173
>>  
>> See story at http://pesn.com/2014/04/29/9602478_So... 
>> Interview: Solar Hydrogen Trends is revolutionizing all energy
>> I calculate 577 x overunity based on their third-party test results of 697 
>> Watt input producing 2322 liters of gas/minute, equating to 402 kW output, 
>> from a device twice the size of a microwave oven, drawing from 16 different 
>> simultaneous phenomena creating what they call their "Symphony", including 
>> turning O into H and controlling particles. They're ready to go into 
>> production manufacturing these.
>>  
>> This might be a cavatation system what uses a shock wave. Or it could be a 
>> scam, time will tell.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Patrick
> 
> www.tRacePerfect.com
> The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect!
> The quickest puzzle ever! 

[Vo]:Podkletnov's Flying Dusk

[Steve High]

In 1996 Podkletnov had this paper approved for publication in Journal of 
Physics D but someone at the Journal who felt the need to put Junk Science in 
it's place leaked the paper to a Deputy Sheriff for the straight-n-narrow. In 
the ensuing furor the paper was withdrawn and Podkletnov lost his job at 
Finland's Tampere University. From the 2006 report just cited by Axil it would 
appear that Podkletnov was possibly on the right track. 

http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9701074

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060325232140.htm

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:The "real" chemical energy of nascent hydrogen

[Steve High]

A question: what would be the net effect of all these extra electrons being 
pulled over from the Dirac Sea? Would this not eventually produce some kind of 
unholy electrostatic issue. Or worse?

Steve High

On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:40 PM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

> From: David Roberson
> 
> If you take another reaction, such as burning of a liquid hydrocarbon, does 
> your technique still demonstrate an unbalance? 
>  
> No- bare protons must be present for positronium to get involved. We are 
> talking about the need to reach an interface with another spatial dimension – 
> and if the proton approaches one dimensionality, it may be possible to 
> disrupt that other dimension.
>  
> The main possibility for a continuous energy anomaly with nascent hydrogen 
> seems to be a reactor where H2 is repeatedly split into protons using a 
> spillover catalyst and then recombining, over and over again, sequentially - 
> but where there is no significant nuclear reaction. Sound familiar?
>  
> If there is excess heat with little gamma radiation and little transmutation 
> – there are only a few possible ways to explain the situation. Mills provides 
> one hypothetical way, but I think his explanation is insufficient for the 
> Rossi effect. A reversible diproton reaction is also possible. Conceivably, 
> several relatively exotic hydrogen reactions could be happening at the same 
> time. This is one of them.
>  
> The bottom line is that this epo hypothesis is being offered as an 
> alternative for understanding the results which Rossi’s collaborators will 
> likely report in a few weeks.
>  
> Jones
>  
>  

Re: [Vo]:Anti-Gravity -Electrostatic Force and Nobel Prize Laureate- Salam

[Steve High]

Uh-oh this was supposed to be attached to an earlier antigravity thread in 
answer to Dave Robinson's question. My apologies I will pay closer attention

Steve High

On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Steve High  wrote:

> Sheesh, Evgeny Podkletnov twenty years ago was spinning a superconducting 
> disk at a high RPM. He noted a three percent loss of weight for objects 
> placed above the disk. His work was pretty well documented as I recall 
> although of course he lost his job at some Finnish university. This sounds 
> like the same general effect although Podkletnov's effect seems orders of 
> magnitude more robust. Here's an interview with American Antigravity (the 
> best kind:-) ) I will try to dig up more info on this if anyone's interested. 
> 
> http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html
> 
> Steve High
> 
> On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:
> 
>> Greetings Vortex-L,
>> 
>> There is a Electrogrtavitics Paper: Gravity as a Secondary Electrostatic 
>> Force
>> by Professor Gupta of Luckow University, India.
>>  
>> He was inspired by his mentor: Nobel Prize Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam
>> University Trieste...who won the Nobel Prize for discovery of the
>> ElectroWeak Force:
>> 
>> http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0505194
>> 
>> The Salam citation is in the acknowledgement section of the website.
>> 
>> Ad Astra,
>> Ron Kita, Chiralex
>> also the books
>> Electrogravitics 1 &11 by Valone
>> and the Electrogravtic Research of Dr Takaaki Musha formerly
>> of the Honda Corporation ( a descriptor).

Re: [Vo]:anti-gravity

[Steve High]

Sheesh, Evgeny Podkletnov twenty years ago was spinning a superconducting disk 
at a high RPM. He noted a three percent loss of weight for objects placed above 
the disk. His work was pretty well documented as I recall although of course he 
lost his job at some Finnish university. This sounds like the same general 
effect although Podkletnov's effect seems orders of magnitude more robust. 
Here's an interview with American Antigravity (the best kind:-) ) I will try to 
dig up more info on this if anyone's interested. 

http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html


Steve High

On Apr 12, 2014, at 8:34 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> This is an interesting subject about which I would like more information.  I 
> have read a couple of papers that suggest that a large current discharge 
> through a superconductor can generate an apparent momentum kick to nearby 
> objects but it is difficult to accept without plenty of skepticism.  Does 
> anyone on the vortex know of proof that any of the anti gravity systems 
> actually function?  Better yet, how many among the group believe that this is 
> possible or have witnessed a demonstration?
>  
> Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: Axil Axil 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sat, Apr 12, 2014 3:01 pm
> Subject: [Vo]:anti-gravity
> 
> http://www.nature.com/news/2001/010612/full/news010614-6.html
> Stiff challenge to spacetime
> A strong magnetic field can flatten space time by imposing a 1 dimensional 
> character on the three dimensional vacuum by aligning the vacuum along 
> straight intense magnetic field lines.
> What this effectively accomplishes is reduces the intensity of space warping 
> imposed on spacetime by the concentration of matter as defined by general 
> relativity.
> It follows that a strong magnetic field will reduce the gravity field that a 
> mass imposes on spacetime (aka anti-gravity).
>  
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Anti-Gravity -Electrostatic Force and Nobel Prize Laureate- Salam

[Steve High]

Sheesh, Evgeny Podkletnov twenty years ago was spinning a superconducting disk 
at a high RPM. He noted a three percent loss of weight for objects placed above 
the disk. His work was pretty well documented as I recall although of course he 
lost his job at some Finnish university. This sounds like the same general 
effect although Podkletnov's effect seems orders of magnitude more robust. 
Here's an interview with American Antigravity (the best kind:-) ) I will try to 
dig up more info on this if anyone's interested. 

http://www.americanantigravity.com/news/space/eugene-podkletnov-on-antigravity.html

Steve High

On Apr 13, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Greetings Vortex-L,
> 
> There is a Electrogrtavitics Paper: Gravity as a Secondary Electrostatic Force
> by Professor Gupta of Luckow University, India.
>  
> He was inspired by his mentor: Nobel Prize Laureate, Professor Abdus Salam
> University Trieste...who won the Nobel Prize for discovery of the
> ElectroWeak Force:
> 
> http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0505194
> 
> The Salam citation is in the acknowledgement section of the website.
> 
> Ad Astra,
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> also the books
> Electrogravitics 1 &11 by Valone
> and the Electrogravtic Research of Dr Takaaki Musha formerly
> of the Honda Corporation ( a descriptor).

Re: [Vo]:The prospects for LENR deployment

[Steve High]

> To my mind the greatest impediment to LENR deployment would be the ingrained 
> skepticism of the physics establishment and how that bleeds out into the 
> realm of Wikipedia and mainstream science reporting. Also we have the 
> unwillingness of the"kilowatt producers" to show us what cards they are 
> holding because they are angling for the billion dollar payout. Anyone 
> acquainted with Dr Mizuno should get on their knees and beg the man to 
> assemble his kilowatt reactor and fire the darn thing up. 
 My other thought was how cool it would be if a major stakeholder were 
to publicly demand a investigation into LENR developments. I considered the 
produce growers in California who are facing a horrific drought and will be 
locked in a life and death struggle for water with the coastal cities. My guess 
is these people would not be adverse to a technology solution that would lead 
to affordable desalinization. People with nothing to lose and everything to 
gain. With that in mind I have started emailing the science and technology 
person employed by the Western Growers Association but have yet to elicit a 
response. This could be a pressure point that would turn the tide. Perhaps some 
of the professor types on Vortex would be interested in helping me to fill her 
email box with tasty nuggets...

Steve High

>>> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion Now audio files of MIT meeting

[Steve High]

Morning Jed. It just occurred to me that Ruby and Jeremy from Coldfusion Now 
were capturing images of all the slides with a camera or video recorder. You 
might contact them and get to the bottom of this faster

Steve High

On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
> 
> http://coldfusionnow.org/2014-cflanr-colloquium-at-mit-audio-files/
> 
> Regarding Yoshida's presentation of Mizuno's results, I still do not have the 
> slides. It is difficult to follow the lecture without them. I gather they are 
> getting 70 W excess. They are building two new reactors, a 1 kW unit code 
> named Scarlett, and a 10 kW reactor code named Catherine. The method sounds 
> the same to me as the ICCF18 paper and poster:
> 
> http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?p=1465
> 
> Yoshida said that Mizuno took several mass spec samples during a test in 
> 2013.I speculated earlier that they may be circulating the gas around and 
> around the way Tom Claytor did in his experiments looking for tritium. Maybe 
> this just meant Muno took samples periodically during the test. You only need 
> a little gas for each sample. You could add a little extra gas if the 
> pressure falls measurably.
> 
> Mizuno tested hydrogen gas, deuterium gas and water (D2O and H2O). The 
> reactor vessel is hot so the water is in the vapor phase.
> 
> - Jed

Re: [Vo]:More on the Mizuno presentation

[Steve High]

Having been at the meeting I would be pleased to add an item of clarification. 
The input gas was in fact molecular deuterium. An innovation that they made a 
big deal of at the meeting was a device placed inside the reactor that allowed 
them to monitor the composition of the circulating gas in real time, in terms 
of atomic number. Thus at the beginning of the run they were registering atomic 
number 4 (molecular deuterium) and during the run there was a progressive 
decline in 4. A transient rise in 3 occurred (they didn't know if it was 
tritium or possibly 
Helium 3) then that level declined again. The item that progressively rose 
during the run was atomic number 2(they didn't know if that was atomic 
deuterium or molecular hydrogen). Any speculation from the group as to why that 
might happen? As an matter of coincidence or god forbid synchronicity the 
output of Fisher's polyneutron theory was molecular hydrogen (IIRC)
The opening slide was an image of Japanese gradeschoolers wearing masks 
for protection from Fukushimas monstrous effluent. Underscore an enhanced 
willingness on the part of Japanese government and industry to get behind 
Mizuno's innovation 
Steve High


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[Vo]:Goodnight from the MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

Well the conference is over and I would like to tell you about the serious 
emotions that bubbled up at the end. Dr Hagelstein had the last word and he 
wished to observe that today was the 25th anniversary of the Pons and 
Fleischmann announcement. I've noticed before that he tends to have a somewhat 
pessimistic view of the prospects for cold fusion. He described the field as 
hanging on by its fingernails, and recounted how few research groups are active 
now compared to four years after the announcement. He also said he was feeling 
a glimmering of hope, and acknowledged the apparent success and good feeling 
generated by the just completed colloquium.
He then moved to recognize the friends that are no longer with us, and 
literally hit a brick wall. His eyes filled with tears and he was not able to 
speak the name of Martin Fleischman or the others. At the suggestion of the 
audience he wrote on the chalkboard "Thanks for twenty five years of struggle 
and hard work". I sensed that his sadness was for the deceased, but also for 
the wearying burden he himself has carried for the last twenty-five years. All 
those years of pushing a stone uphill, the best years of his life, with so 
little support or recognition. I say the good doctor has no reason to feel bad 
about his show of emotion. The whole conference was touched and found meaning 
in it. Now for those of us who are becoming more certain that the winds of 
change are blowing at last, to find the gumption to push this thing over the 
finish line!

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Re: Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model?

Loads of 14MEV (or was it 1.4?) shooting every which way as I recall

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Bob Cook  wrote:

> Was there radiation emitted in Fisher model?

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Bob Smith says the ideal configuration for an LENR reactor would be a Menger 
Sponge a fractal affair with infinite surface area and well-configured for 
cooling. Not sure how to add a link for sponge image but it looks like it would 
be comfortable in an MC Escher sketchbook

Steve High

> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Actually Fisher challenged the audience to name the theory that explains the 
binding of a deuteron and no hands were raised. I am a doctor of humans and not 
fisicks so I will defer further comment on the matter to you. The word for 
polyneutrons that I heard in the men's washroom was "unobservium"

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve High 
> 
> "Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is
> unknown." 
> 
> Since when? 
> 
> Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Got it. Well nobody in the audience challenged his response, perhaps out of 
deference.

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 1:02 PM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

> -Original Message-
> From: Steve High 
> 
> "Fisher points out that the binding force that holds a deuteron together is
> unknown." 
> 
> Since when? 
> 
> Binding energy of deuteron 2.224589 ± 0.02 MeV
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

First time for me and my boys are in their thirties. Hope restored 

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Steve High  wrote:
> 
>> Just got a text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a 
>> morning!
> 
> Congratulations, grandpa.  How many does that make?  (I have four.)
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Hagelstein said a bubble chamber across the lab turned cloudy-after the 
neutrons traversed his midsection. There was no earthquake to cloudify the 
chamber. He's satisfied it is real 

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Steve High  wrote:
> 
>> Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri  granite fracture experiments seeing 
>> neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations 
>> (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing 
>> coherent LENR associated fission . . .
> 
> Conjecture: instrument noise caused by all that banging and vibration. I have 
> heard those detectors are finicky.
> 
> - Jed
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

John C Fisher. Undergraduate at MIT in the forties!!! He says he's he solved 
the LENR quandary with polyneutron theory. A clump of naked neutrons sitting in 
lattice. Absorbs deuterium atoms and spits out hydrogen atoms plus energy. 
(Then the hydrogen atoms recombine to hydrogen molecules) A real outlier model 
but it would correlate Mizuno's news of yesterday that the final gas product 
from his reactor has an atomic number of two which would likely be hydrogen 
molecules. Audience  respectful of an impressively sharp performance from a man 
who has to be in his mid nineties. The audience objects that the binding force 
that would hold a polyneutron together is unknown. Fisher points out that the 
binding force that holds a deuteron together is unknown. 

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Larry Forsley: an asset to LENR because he comes from hot fusion world. He is 
not afraid of neutrons and saw quite a lot of them when he placed CR39 detector 
in close proximity to codeposition produced palladium LENR reactor. Just got a 
text telling me my sons wife is apparently pregnant. What a morning!

Steve High

On Mar 23, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Steve High  wrote:

> Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri  granite fracture experiments seeing 
> neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations 
> (induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent 
> LENR associated fission driven by inverse fractionation. "Fractionation" is 
> his term for quantum explanation for thermalization of LENR associated 
> energetic particles and gammas
> 
> Steve High

[Vo]:MIT Sunday Morning

[Steve High]

Hagelstein: puzzling over Carpintieri  granite fracture experiments seeing 
neutrons, excess aluminum and deficient iron. Conjectures lattice vibrations 
(induced by megahertz acoustic signal at moment of fracture) causing coherent 
LENR associated fission driven by inverse fractionation. "Fractionation" is his 
term for quantum explanation for thermalization of LENR associated energetic 
particles and gammas

Steve High

[Vo]:Re: MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

Nikita Alexandrov. Looks to be 27 and president of permanetixcorp. Has a scheme 
for mass screening of sputtered potential LENR materials. His company has a 
device that can be placed inside a reaction vessel to capture in real time soft 
ionizing radiation. Take home: exactly the kind of young dude that LENR needs 

Steve High

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Steve High  wrote:

> The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby 
> Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously 
> Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a 
> void as far as the "kilowatt output" performers are concerned. Celani had two 
> interesting things to say. He's finding evidence that the fiberglass 
> insulators he's wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously 
> augment the anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems 
> to be able to sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more 
> available to the constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely 
> terminated funding for his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in 
> and he's back in the saddle at least for now
> 
> Steve High

Re: [Vo]:MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

First Saturday afternoon presenter was Mizuno being represented by a young 
Japanese scientist. Their reactor : nickle mesh surface prepped by exposure to 
plasma discharge. Reactor consists of prepped nickel mesh heated by resistance 
with pressurized deuterium gas. The device able to measure the composition of 
gases by atomic number in real time. Results: 1) excess heat as soon as 
deuterium pumped in ie no loading needed. 2) 75 watts excess heat over thirty 
five days. 3) gas composition monitored during run (as atomic number): 4 (D 2) 
progressively decreased 3 (?tritium- they couldn't say) rose and fell as an 
intermediate product,  2 (that would be H2 or atomic D) rose as the final 
product. How does that fit in, smart dudes?

Steve High

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:41 PM, "MarkI-ZeroPoint"  wrote:

> Steve:
> Just want to thank you, as I think all Vorts do, for providing the updates
> from MIT...
> The 150 attendance is good to see... 
> B Well,
> -Mark Iverson
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Steve High [mailto:diamondweb...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: Vortex
> Subject: [Vo]:MIT colloquium
> 
> The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby
> Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously
> Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a
> void as far as the "kilowatt output" performers are concerned. Celani had
> two interesting things to say. He's finding evidence that the fiberglass
> insulators he's wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously
> augment the anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems
> to be able to sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more
> available to the constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely
> terminated funding for his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in
> and he's back in the saddle at least for now
> 
> Steve High
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

Angel described as a private financier. No word on wings

Steve High

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> does anybody know who is the angel?
> 
> 
> 
> 2014-03-22 18:05 GMT+01:00 Steve High :
>> The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby 
>> Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously 
>> Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a 
>> void as far as the "kilowatt output" performers are concerned. Celani had 
>> two interesting things to say. He's finding evidence that the fiberglass 
>> insulators he's wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously 
>> augment the anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems 
>> to be able to sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more 
>> available to the constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely 
>> terminated funding for his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in 
>> and he's back in the saddle at least for now
>> 
>> Steve High
> 

Re: [Vo]:MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

On Friday we had Dr Yasuhiro Iwamura. He's sucking deuterium gas through a 
membrane containing palladium and a surface splotching of other elements lets 
say cobalt. After the run he can demonstrate the presence of other elements 
four eight or twelve atomic numbers above said cobalt, depending on the number 
of deuterons added. No word yet on a trial using an element with an atomic 
number 4 8 or twelve under that of gold

Steve High

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Steve High  wrote:

> The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby 
> Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously 
> Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a 
> void as far as the "kilowatt output" performers are concerned. Celani had two 
> interesting things to say. He's finding evidence that the fiberglass 
> insulators he's wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously 
> augment the anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems 
> to be able to sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more 
> available to the constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely 
> terminated funding for his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in 
> and he's back in the saddle at least for now
> 
> Steve High

[Vo]:MIT colloquium

[Steve High]

The event is well attended. I would estimate 150 heads about 90 % grey. Ruby 
Carat and Alien Scientist are here recording the proceedings. Curiously 
Hadjichristos was on the agenda but his name has been stricken, leaving a void 
as far as the "kilowatt output" performers are concerned. Celani had two 
interesting things to say. He's finding evidence that the fiberglass insulators 
he's wrapping around his constantan wires seem to tremendously augment the 
anomalous heat output based on the observation that glass seems to be able to 
sequester hydrogen on its surface in a way that makes it more available to the 
constantan. He also mentioned that his Boss completely terminated funding for 
his CF research last fall but that an angel jumped in and he's back in the 
saddle at least for now

Steve High

Re: [Vo]:2014 Cold Fusion Colloquium at MIT

[Steve High]

Greetings from the MIT colloquium. As far as I know I may be the only Vortex 
follower here so I will provide updates as long as my iPhone battery holds out
  Saturday morning started with Dr Ahern. He presented the bittersweet tale 
of a garage tinkerer from New Hampshire who called him up to evaluate a 
nanopowder powerpack the guy built and installed in the trunk of his  electric 
car. Ahern measured it and found to his satisfaction that the car's electric 
battery was being recharged continuously by this device which was also able to 
power a sixty watt lightbulb for six consecutive days while still adding to the 
net charge on the batteries. End of story: the tinkerer calls Ahern to say he 
wants to give Ahern the device but two days later collapses into a vegetative 
state with a brain aneurysm. Ahern goes to pickup the device only to find that 
the tinkerer has diassembled it into meaningless parts. Where have we heard 
this story before? I guess I'll add it to my MU (mysterious universe) file

Steve High

On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I get Vortex 
> postinghttp://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg92048.html. See:
> 
> http://www.amasci.com/weird/wvort.html
> 
> - Jed
>