RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Roarty, Francis X]

Bob, I realize I am way out of the box here and perhaps my syntax is lacking 
but the point I was trying to make is that the new physics behind the EM drive 
and anomalous heat may simply be a new form of our old friend SR.. we can't 
talk over unity wrt normal SR since it takes so much energy to reach near C but 
it does give us some insight wrt unbalancing the spatial reactionary forces 
because the direction of thrust and energy expended do NOT deliver you to the 
Newtonian calculated position when your velocity approaches significant 
fractions of C. I am proposing a "negative relativistic frame" is being created 
by standing waves inside the EM that unbalance RF pressure against the walls of 
the trapezoid... some waves are not taking an equidistance path due to SR and 
are experience time dilation in proportion to the amunt of thrust detected. By 
negative relativistic frame I am referring to my interpretation of Casimir 
effect where the larger virtual particles are not supressed in the cavity but 
rather undergo Lorentzian contraction such that a local observer inside a 
Casimir cavity would see all the virtual particles at normal size just like the 
Paradox twin would see his surroundings normally in his near C spaceship. This 
interpretation means that instead of a Haisch Rhueda analogy of virtual 
particles hitting the windshield of near C automobile or the Pythagorean 
relationship between V^2/C^2 we instead oppose the flow of these VP thru our 
plane vis nano geometry of super cats like Rayney nickel or nickel powders used 
by LENR researchers. Im am suggesting that a stationary lump of Rayney nickel 
sitting in our plane view on a labbench contains numerous nano relativistic 
frames created by Casimir geometries that can effect atomic gases loaded into 
the metal, this of course would be using nature to extract energy by nature of 
the geometry where as the EM drive is just that a "drive" and escapes the nano 
requirement because it isn't trying to capture energy but rather use microwave 
energy to try and scale up the size and number of these relativistic frames in 
an organized exploitable geometry. IMHO negative SR escapes the near C  
requirement because it is suppressing flow not racing to try and equal it and 
instead of energy requirements it utilizes geometry and mirror surfaces to 
suppress and focus segregated regions where the virtual particles are dilated 
to fit between the boundaries.
Fran

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com [mailto:bobcook39...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2017 4:46 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could 
Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works


It seems that exchanging the dimensions of time for space as suggested would 
imply no way to physically measure either dimension, since the dimensions have 
some physical (measurable) characteristic by definition.  Logically I do not 
follow this proposal.

Bob Cook

From: Roarty, Francis X 
>
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 10:09:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Russell, David
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Hi Russ, I don't believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
"execution" of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton's law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space... and I 
think that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell's demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeatedly have their pressure 
upon the opposing walls 

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It seems that exchanging the dimensions of time for space as suggested would 
imply no way to physically measure either dimension, since the dimensions have 
some physical (measurable) characteristic by definition.  Logically I do not 
follow this proposal.

Bob Cook

From: Roarty, Francis X 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 10:09:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Russell, David
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Hi Russ, I don’t believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
“execution” of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton’s law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space… and I think 
that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell’s demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeatedly have their pressure 
upon the opposing walls modified slightly by time dilation and contraction.. 
just like the SR spacecraft you don’t go where Newtonian calculations predict 
and just like the spaceship the axis of the traveling wave is going to see all 
the contraction and dilation upsetting the normal strict 90 degree of time to 
space [at least from perspective of external observer]. Where we need to throw 
copious power into accelerating a ship to near C we can use nature for cheap to 
instead oppose virtual particles entering and exiting the time axis and produce 
these relativistic effects in Casimir effect or using RF energy in a microwave 
cavity [drive the virtual particles].
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be 

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It seems that exchanging the dimensions of time for space as suggested would 
imply no way to physically measure either dimension, since the dimensions have 
some physical (measurable) characteristic by definition.  Logically I do not 
follow this proposal.

Bob Cook


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From: Roarty, Francis X 
Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 10:09:38 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Russell, David
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Hi Russ, I don’t believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
“execution” of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton’s law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space… and I think 
that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell’s demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeatedly have their pressure 
upon the opposing walls modified slightly by time dilation and contraction.. 
just like the SR spacecraft you don’t go where Newtonian calculations predict 
and just like the spaceship the axis of the traveling wave is going to see all 
the contraction and dilation upsetting the normal strict 90 degree of time to 
space [at least from perspective of external observer]. Where we need to throw 
copious power into accelerating a ship to near C we can use nature for cheap to 
instead oppose virtual particles entering and exiting the time axis and produce 
these relativistic effects in Casimir effect or using RF energy in a microwave 
cavity [drive the virtual particles].
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em 

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Roarty, Francis X]

Hi Russ, I don’t believe in multiple miracles and pilot wave may explain the 
“execution” of the reactionless anomaly but I  am predicting the underlying 
physics is also responsible for LENR and anomalous heat. I am still convinced 
of a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect will tie these seemingly 
unrelated anomalies together. No one would argue that the reaction and vector 
of a spacecraft approaching C violates Newton’s law via SR wrt to calculated 
destination vs time and location actually achieved.. of course it all balances 
out with Lorentz transforms as long as we exchange time for space… and I think 
that is what is really happening in both the EM drive and the reports of 
anomalous heat except we are going in the other direction.. we in surrounding 
macro laboratory are now near C relative to a bench experiments of physical or 
RF geometry, nickel powder of LENR or standing waves in closed waveguide of EM 
drive, that both constrict the flow of virtual particles through our plane. In 
claims of anomalous heat I propose the atomic gas gets older thru time dilation 
that we perceive as a super catalyst or Casimir action and IMHO allows for a 
self-assembly of a natural Maxwell’s demon that segregates the atoms, instead 
of by thermal, by time dilation in fractional steps and can discount 
disassociation threshold of molecules to the point of over unity. Likewise I 
suspect standing waves trapped in the trapezoidal closed waveguide of the EM 
drive also oppose virtual particles passing thru and set up regions like a 
relativistic Casimir effect where radio waves repeatedly have their pressure 
upon the opposing walls modified slightly by time dilation and contraction.. 
just like the SR spacecraft you don’t go where Newtonian calculations predict 
and just like the spaceship the axis of the traveling wave is going to see all 
the contraction and dilation upsetting the normal strict 90 degree of time to 
space [at least from perspective of external observer]. Where we need to throw 
copious power into accelerating a ship to near C we can use nature for cheap to 
instead oppose virtual particles entering and exiting the time axis and produce 
these relativistic effects in Casimir effect or using RF energy in a microwave 
cavity [drive the virtual particles].
Fran

From: Russ George [mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 7:41 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The 
Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

[Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Bob Higgins]

In case you haven't found it yet, you can go to the web site of one of the
authors (Paulo Castro) and download a .pdf copy of this paper:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320330808_A_POSSIBLE_EXPLANATION_FOR_THE_EM_DRIVE_BASED_ON_A_PILOT_WAVE_THEORY

While the full article is on the site,  there is a blue button, "Download
full-text PDF".  If you press it, you get the article, not take to a
pay-wall.

Bob

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:32 AM, Russ George  wrote:

> Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly
> interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on
> the world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in
> science who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor
> should it tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls
> greedily guarding the bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing
> Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works
>
>
>
> What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say
> is that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive
> becomes a large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made
> coherent then the EM drive would be very much more powerful because the
> coherent resonant pilot wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive
> making everything a single giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive
> would do that.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
> This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM
> Drive Works
>
> http://flip.it/R11OHO
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

A test of the theory out of Lisbon University  would be a simple reshaping of 
the EM Drive casing to a trumpet like shape with different nodes of null energy 
density.  One should see differential thrusts as predicted.  (No need for super 
cooling.)  It should take a day or so to fabricate a modified thruster casing.

NASA has already probably done such testing in their dark laboratory.

Elon’s Mars excursion design group should take notice, if they have not already 
done so.

Bob Cook


From: Russ George
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Russ—

Does the DH EPO theory entail a propagation velocity within the aether  for an 
energy field to your knowledge?

I recall some gravity shield  projection experiments which propagated at rate 
greater than c, light speed in a vacuum.

Bob Cook
From: Russ George
Sent: Monday, October 9, 2017 12:41 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable.

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships.

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data.

Russ

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George 
> wrote:
Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole 
> wrote:
This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Russ George]

Yes the paper does help. I like the pilot wave convention as surely something 
of that sort is required to explain the cold fusion process which I have been 
working on for so many years. It takes some doing to convert deuterium to 4He 
and even 3He but that surely is irrefutable. 

 

It is curious that the EM drive which is so far ‘outside of the box’ of 
classical physics seems to be close to ‘cold fusion’ I presume we have simply 
expanded the ‘box’ and are thus able to see the relationships. 

 

Thanks for the paper. I am eagerly awaiting some super cooled EM drive data. 

 

Russ 

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 7:37 PM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

 

Russ,

 

Does this paper help?

 

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George  > wrote:

Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com  ] 
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

 

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

 

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole  > wrote:

This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[ROGER ANDERTON]

Pilot wave theory comes from Bohm, he had the problem that he was accused of 
being a communist, and so that had bad effect on his career in US, his student 
Vigier had similar problems, and Myron Evans who followed on from Vigier has 
similar problems. It was part of Einstein's unified field theory research 
program to combine (non Copenhagen interpretation) quantum physics with 
relativity. My website dealing with talks on unified field theory at: 
http://unifiedfieldtheory.co.uk/
One of the problems as I perceive it is that in Physics education they teach 
students to believe making math mistakes is the way to do things.
one example at: Maths contradiction in Einstein's relativity with its 
connection to Newton

  
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my latest talk: Boscovich Unified field theory and Atomism given by Roger 
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future talk: XVIII SERBIAN ASTRONOMICAL CONFERENCE17-21 October 2017, Belgrade, 
Serbia Book of abstracts, eds. L.C. Popovi ́c, D. Uroˇsevi ́c and R. Pavlovi ́c 
Astronomical Observatory and Faculty of Mathematics, Belgrade, 2017 Progress 
Report BOSCOVICH’S COMPREHESION OF ABSOLUTE AND RELATIVE MOVEMENT 

On Sunday, 8 October 2017, 19:25, Eric Walker  wrote:
 

 On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Bob Higgins  wrote:

Continued investigation of the EM-drive may be the crack in physics that 
finally shows that conventional quantum mechanics is an arcane, obsolete, and 
incomplete formulation of the physics of small matter.  Just because quantum 
mechanics mostly works, doesn't mean it is a good formulation of the problem.

It is important to distinguish the Copenhagen interpretation of QM from the 
results of the mathematical calculations.  I understand that many physicists 
consider the mathematical calculations to be the essential part of QM and the 
Copenhagen interpretation to be something that is up for debate and a function 
of personal tastes.  I gather that the results of the QM calculations are the 
effectively the same in almost all cases, whether you're considering standard 
calculations or ones based on pilot waves.  When the topic of the Copenhagen 
interpretation and pilot waves has come up for discussion, the challenge that 
has been raised is to produce a case where an experiment will distinguish 
between the two.  Without an experiment to sort between the two descriptions, 
the selection of interpretation is perhaps a philosophical/esthetic one.
There are a few corner cases where the pilot wave approach will yield different 
results.  Perhaps the EM drive is tapping into one of them.
Eric


   

Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Sean True]

In lieu of the paywalled article, this earlier preprint may be
illuminating: http://vixra.org/abs/1706.0283

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

> Pilot wave theory posits that particle positions can be known and there is
> no wave-particle duality.  Instead, a "pilot wave" guides the particles
> through the slits and standing waves in the "medium" are what produces
> apparent wave-like behavior of particle motion.  Pilot wave theory itself
> does not hypothesize what the "medium" comprises that is able to propagate
> the guiding wave.  I think Pilot Wave Theory fits perfectly with Hotson's
> EPO ether.
>
> Continued investigation of the EM-drive may be the crack in physics that
> finally shows that conventional quantum mechanics is an arcane, obsolete,
> and incomplete formulation of the physics of small matter.  Just because
> quantum mechanics mostly works, doesn't mean it is a good formulation of
> the problem.
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The
>> EM Drive Works
>>
>> http://flip.it/R11OHO
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Eric Walker]

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Bob Higgins 
wrote:

Continued investigation of the EM-drive may be the crack in physics that
> finally shows that conventional quantum mechanics is an arcane, obsolete,
> and incomplete formulation of the physics of small matter.  Just because
> quantum mechanics mostly works, doesn't mean it is a good formulation of
> the problem.
>

It is important to distinguish the Copenhagen interpretation of QM from the
results of the mathematical calculations.  I understand that many
physicists consider the mathematical calculations to be the essential part
of QM and the Copenhagen interpretation to be something that is up for
debate and a function of personal tastes.  I gather that the results of the
QM calculations are the effectively the same in almost all cases, whether
you're considering standard calculations or ones based on pilot waves.
When the topic of the Copenhagen interpretation and pilot waves has come up
for discussion, the challenge that has been raised is to produce a case
where an experiment will distinguish between the two.  Without an
experiment to sort between the two descriptions, the selection of
interpretation is perhaps a philosophical/esthetic one.

There are a few corner cases where the pilot wave approach will yield
different results.  Perhaps the EM drive is tapping into one of them.

Eric

[Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Bob Higgins]

Pilot wave theory posits that particle positions can be known and there is
no wave-particle duality.  Instead, a "pilot wave" guides the particles
through the slits and standing waves in the "medium" are what produces
apparent wave-like behavior of particle motion.  Pilot wave theory itself
does not hypothesize what the "medium" comprises that is able to propagate
the guiding wave.  I think Pilot Wave Theory fits perfectly with Hotson's
EPO ether.

Continued investigation of the EM-drive may be the crack in physics that
finally shows that conventional quantum mechanics is an arcane, obsolete,
and incomplete formulation of the physics of small matter.  Just because
quantum mechanics mostly works, doesn't mean it is a good formulation of
the problem.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM
> Drive Works
>
> http://flip.it/R11OHO
>

Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Axil Axil]

Russ,

Does this paper help?

https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:32 AM, Russ George  wrote:

> Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly
> interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on
> the world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in
> science who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor
> should it tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls
> greedily guarding the bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.
>
>
>
> *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing
> Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works
>
>
>
> What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say
> is that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive
> becomes a large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made
> coherent then the EM drive would be very much more powerful because the
> coherent resonant pilot wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive
> making everything a single giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive
> would do that.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
> This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM
> Drive Works
>
> http://flip.it/R11OHO
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Russ George]

Alas once again the world of vulture science has placed this seemingly 
interesting paper behind a paywall. We need a grand inquisitor to take on the 
world of science again but this time to apply the screws to those in science 
who put knowledge behind paywalls. The world cannot afford nor should it 
tolerate this sort of perverse capitalism. Science trolls greedily guarding the 
bridges to knowledge need to be eliminated.

 

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 AM
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece 
That Explains How The EM Drive Works

 

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say is 
that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive becomes a 
large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made coherent then the 
EM drive would be very much more powerful because the coherent resonant pilot 
wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive making everything a single 
giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive would do that.

 

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole  > wrote:

This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM 
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO

 

Re: [Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Axil Axil]

What the pilot wave theory applied to the EM drive does not explicitly say
is that a coherent wave pattern acts like a large particle. The Em drive
becomes a large particle. It goes to reason if the EM drive where made
coherent then the EM drive would be very much more powerful because the
coherent resonant pilot wave would coherently coupled with the EM drive
making everything a single giant particle.  A superconductive EM drive
would do that.

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 9:55 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM
> Drive Works
>
> http://flip.it/R11OHO
>

[Vo]:Article: This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM Drive Works

[Jack Cole]

This Overlooked Theory Could Be The Missing Piece That Explains How The EM
Drive Works

http://flip.it/R11OHO