Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:58, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Step three is to perform sputtering as seen in the aforementioned YouTube 
 video.

I wonder whether some suitable topologies could be worked out at a basic level 
with a 3d printer.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Edmund Storms
My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required  
gaps are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the  
preformed required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a  
random process that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable.  
Unfortunately, such machining requires money and skill that are not  
available to people in the field.


Ed


On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:



So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect  
to be replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the  
closest person to reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will  
send out NANOR samples to be replicated, or maybe Celani.
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms  
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be  
described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be  
replicated at will. This ability would attract funding.




Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Harry Veeder
There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there.
The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least
it would be enough to test your theory.

Harry

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required gaps
 are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the preformed
 required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random process
 that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such
 machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in the
 field.

 Ed


 On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:


 So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be
 replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the closest person to
 reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to be
 replicated, or maybe Celani.
 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 wrote:

  However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be
 described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated
 at will. This ability would attract funding.





Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Axil Axil
The following is my thinking concerning a poor-man’s technics that might
get nanorods built on a Celani type wire or alternitively a
nickel micro-powder.

Step one is to build a homemade magnetron in a vacuum chamber that might
produce nickel Nano-rods on an appropriate substrate.

See how to build the magnetron here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_MZ22OVyg

Step two is to place a nickel wire as pre-treated by Celani or a nickel
micro-powder on the head of a magnet as a platform for sputtering.

Step three is to perform sputtering as seen in the aforementioned YouTube
video.

Another way is to coat aluminum micro-powder used as a whisker template
with nickel as a variant of this technique shown as follows:

http://education.mrsec.wisc.edu/nanolab/nickel/index.html



Cheers:Axil
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there.
 The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least
 it would be enough to test your theory.

 Harry

 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 wrote:
  My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required
 gaps
  are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the preformed
  required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random
 process
  that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such
  machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in
 the
  field.
 
  Ed
 
 
  On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
 
 
  So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be
  replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the closest
 person to
  reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to
 be
  replicated, or maybe Celani.
  On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
  wrote:
 
   However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be
  described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be
 replicated
  at will. This ability would attract funding.
 
 




RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Has anyone tried producing this geometry via shattering of ultracold lattice 
material, ie immersing nickel in LNO and then confining the bulk while 
delivering an anvil blow?
Fran

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to 
selected members of the LENR research community

The following is my thinking concerning a poor-man's technics that might get 
nanorods built on a Celani type wire or alternitively a nickel micro-powder.

Step one is to build a homemade magnetron in a vacuum chamber that might 
produce nickel Nano-rods on an appropriate substrate.

See how to build the magnetron here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_MZ22OVyg

Step two is to place a nickel wire as pre-treated by Celani or a nickel 
micro-powder on the head of a magnet as a platform for sputtering.

Step three is to perform sputtering as seen in the aforementioned YouTube video.

Another way is to coat aluminum micro-powder used as a whisker template with 
nickel as a variant of this technique shown as follows:

http://education.mrsec.wisc.edu/nanolab/nickel/index.html


Cheers:Axil
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Harry Veeder 
hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there.
The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least
it would be enough to test your theory.

Harry

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms 
stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required gaps
 are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the preformed
 required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random process
 that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such
 machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in the
 field.

 Ed


 On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:


 So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be
 replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the closest person to
 reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to be
 replicated, or maybe Celani.
 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms 
 stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com
 wrote:

  However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be
 described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated
 at will. This ability would attract funding.





Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Axil Axil
If you have ever looked at a DVD or blue ray disk after it has been
recorded, you will notice that it reflects the light in rainbow colors. The
small pits produced by the recording laser burner in the aluminum substrate
beneath the .1 mm protective polycarbonate surface.

Using this simple and inexpensive technology, I wonder is nano-engineering
and nano-photonics may be made available to the poor man.

Our computers can be programed to write data sequences to files burned onto
a CD or blue ray disk as required for the sizes of the nano-structures we
are interested in producing. We may then have the ability to build quantity
cracks consistently every time. These cracks could be modified for
experiments by simply by reconfiguring the data file that has generated
them.

Whereas DVD uses a 650-nanometer red laser to read information from a disc,
the Blu-ray Disc format uses a shorter-wavelength, 405-nanometer blue
laser. With Blu-ray, data is packed more tightly: The pinpoint focusing
precision of Blu-ray's shorter-wavelength beam and the special lens allow
data to be recorded into pits and marks that are less than half the size of
those on DVD (a 0.32-micron track pitch, defined as the gap between tracks,
for Blu-ray versus 0.74 microns for DVD). Another area of efficiency for
Blu-ray lies in the short length of the data marks written to disc: about
111 nanometers on Blu-ray, and about 267 nanometers on DVD.

Nickel or palladium may be sputtered on polished aluminum or with glass as
a more robust substrate to replace the polycarbonate. The laser may produce
micro-particles using the pits as a negative form with consistent
characteristics when the glass is sputtered by our homemade magnetron.


Cheers: Axil

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 The following is my thinking concerning a poor-man’s technics that might
 get nanorods built on a Celani type wire or alternitively a
 nickel micro-powder.

 Step one is to build a homemade magnetron in a vacuum chamber that might
 produce nickel Nano-rods on an appropriate substrate.

 See how to build the magnetron here...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_MZ22OVyg

 Step two is to place a nickel wire as pre-treated by Celani or a nickel
 micro-powder on the head of a magnet as a platform for sputtering.

 Step three is to perform sputtering as seen in the aforementioned YouTube
 video.

 Another way is to coat aluminum micro-powder used as a whisker template
 with nickel as a variant of this technique shown as follows:

 http://education.mrsec.wisc.edu/nanolab/nickel/index.html



 Cheers:Axil
 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote:

 There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there.
 The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least
 it would be enough to test your theory.

 Harry

 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 wrote:
  My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required
 gaps
  are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the
 preformed
  required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random
 process
  that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such
  machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in
 the
  field.
 
  Ed
 
 
  On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
 
 
  So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be
  replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the closest
 person to
  reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples
 to be
  replicated, or maybe Celani.
  On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
  wrote:
 
   However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be
  described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be
 replicated
  at will. This ability would attract funding.
 
 





Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-18 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Dr. Storms, would you be able to identify the difference between a NAE
sample and a failing sample?  If so, you could ask researchers to send you
samples of both failures and successes and maybe you can find the signature
that leads to replication at will.  That would make you the most valuable
LENR human on the planet, heh heh...  ;-)
Kevin O


On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there.
 The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least
 it would be enough to test your theory.

 Harry

 On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 wrote:
  My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required
 gaps
  are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the preformed
  required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random
 process
  that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such
  machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in
 the
  field.
 
  Ed
 
 



[Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa

Hello group,

Defkalion GT chief technical officer John Hadjichristos occasionally 
writes comments and answers questions on Peter Gluck's blog EGO OUT [1]. 
I think this one posted today might be worth of some attention:


http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2013/02/strategic-principles-of-lenr-and-their.html?showComment=1361136108932#c5631682400193533930

This paragraph in particular:


[...] We have allocated already funds for common RD and theoretical interpretation to specific 
distinguished members or teams of the existing LENR research community, providing them full 
access to our experimental data and resources. Hopefully the expected results of such focusing to 
objectives activities will start showing up in papers within 2013.


Even though experimental data and resources is most probably under 
various NDAs, I wonder if those selected members and teams from the 
existing LENR research community are are among known posters from 
Vortex or CMNS (a private mailing list to which I have no access) and if 
their involvement with DGT (that is, their exact names) is under NDAs as 
well.


Some disclosure here would boost DGT's public image a bit.

Cheers,
S.A.

[1] http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/



Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, no theory will cause a Western government to provide funds  
for LENR research for the reasons John states in the article. However,  
a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be described and  
created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated at will.  
This ability would attract funding.  In other words, the CONSEQUENCE  
of the theory is what is important.


The problem we all face is that the critical issue is not being  
identified.   Absence of a useful theory by itself is not the problem.  
The problem is that we can not agree on what is important or how to  
solve the basic problem. The basic problem is the impossibility to  
cause the effect at will by anyone who tries. Yes, individuals have  
had success, including myself.  This success is short lived and rarely  
replicated by another person. We had hoped this problem would be  
solved by Celani. His wire, if it were active, could be supplied to  
anyone who wanted to explore the effect. At this time, the wire does  
not appear to produce the claimed power. Why is this the case? A  
theory would answer this question.  Without an answer, no one would  
want to risk money chasing a ghost.


No, I'm not part of the effort described by John.

Ed
On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:


Hello group,

Defkalion GT chief technical officer John Hadjichristos occasionally  
writes comments and answers questions on Peter Gluck's blog EGO OUT  
[1]. I think this one posted today might be worth of some attention:


http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2013/02/strategic-principles-of-lenr-and-their.html?showComment=1361136108932#c5631682400193533930

This paragraph in particular:

[...] We have allocated already funds for common RD and  
theoretical interpretation to specific distinguished members or  
teams of the existing LENR research community, providing them  
full access to our experimental data and resources. Hopefully the  
expected results of such focusing to objectives activities will  
start showing up in papers within 2013.


Even though experimental data and resources is most probably under  
various NDAs, I wonder if those selected members and teams from the  
existing LENR research community are are among known posters from  
Vortex or CMNS (a private mailing list to which I have no access)  
and if their involvement with DGT (that is, their exact names) is  
under NDAs as well.


Some disclosure here would boost DGT's public image a bit.

Cheers,
S.A.

[1] http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/





Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Axil Axil
*The problem is that we can not agree on what is important or how to solve
the basic problem. The basic problem is the impossibility to cause the
effect at will by anyone who tries. Yes, individuals have had success,
including myself. This success is short lived and rarely replicated by
another person. We had hoped this problem would be solved by Celani. His
wire, if it were active, could be supplied to anyone who wanted to explore
the effect. At this time, the wire does not appear to produce the claimed
power. Why is this the case? A theory would answer this question. Without
an answer, no one would want to risk money chasing a ghost*.

The variability of results could be a consequence of the inexact nature of
the manufacturing process. This process is inherently random.

Better results may be produced if the techniques of quantum dot production
where applied to the production of nano-arrays inspired by the various
theories that are circulating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_dot#Production





On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 I agree, no theory will cause a Western government to provide funds for
 LENR research for the reasons John states in the article. However, a useful
 theory would allow the active conditions to be described and created. This
 ability would allow the effect to be replicated at will. This ability would
 attract funding.  In other words, the CONSEQUENCE of the theory is what is
 important.

 The problem we all face is that the critical issue is not being
 identified.   Absence of a useful theory by itself is not the problem. The
 problem is that we can not agree on what is important or how to solve the
 basic problem. The basic problem is the impossibility to cause the effect
 at will by anyone who tries. Yes, individuals have had success, including
 myself.  This success is short lived and rarely replicated by another
 person. We had hoped this problem would be solved by Celani. His wire, if
 it were active, could be supplied to anyone who wanted to explore the
 effect. At this time, the wire does not appear to produce the claimed
 power. Why is this the case? A theory would answer this question.  Without
 an answer, no one would want to risk money chasing a ghost.

 No, I'm not part of the effort described by John.

 Ed

 On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

  Hello group,

 Defkalion GT chief technical officer John Hadjichristos occasionally
 writes comments and answers questions on Peter Gluck's blog EGO OUT [1]. I
 think this one posted today might be worth of some attention:

 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.**com/2013/02/strategic-**
 principles-of-lenr-and-their.**html?showComment=**1361136108932#**
 c5631682400193533930http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2013/02/strategic-principles-of-lenr-and-their.html?showComment=1361136108932#c5631682400193533930

 This paragraph in particular:

  [...] We have allocated already funds for common RD and theoretical
 interpretation to specific distinguished members or teams of the existing
 LENR research community, providing them full access to our experimental
 data and resources. Hopefully the expected results of such focusing to
 objectives activities will start showing up in papers within 2013.


 Even though experimental data and resources is most probably under
 various NDAs, I wonder if those selected members and teams from the
 existing LENR research community are are among known posters from Vortex
 or CMNS (a private mailing list to which I have no access) and if their
 involvement with DGT (that is, their exact names) is under NDAs as well.

 Some disclosure here would boost DGT's public image a bit.

 Cheers,
 S.A.

 [1] http://egooutpeters.blogspot.**com/http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/





Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
So ...  we  all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be
replicated at will.  When will that be?  It seems that the closest person
to reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to
be replicated, or maybe Celani.
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

  However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be
 described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated
 at will. This ability would attract funding.