[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Bob Cook
Ed--

Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic 
associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack population.  
Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

Bob 
From: Edmund Storms 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Cc: Edmund Storms 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size 
in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give 
enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the 
occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites.  However, 
these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and 
skill are not common. 

Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result, 
production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief times, 
but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random 
event. 

Ed Stormss 

On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:






  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:


Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at 
the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but 
getting the right size is the problem. 


  Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes? 



Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their 
function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the 
crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an 
explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf.

Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:

 Ed--
  
 Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic 
 associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack population. 
  Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.
  
 Bob
 From: Edmund Storms
 Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Cc: Edmund Storms
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE
  
 Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right 
 size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will 
 not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to 
 detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active 
 sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably 
 because the tools and skill are not common.
  
 Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result, 
 production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief times, 
 but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a 
 random event.
  
 Ed Stormss 
 On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:
 
  
 
 
 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com 
 wrote:
  
 Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the 
 require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but 
 getting the right size is the problem.
 
 Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
  
 
  



Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be
produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than
the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust
at it.



Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator.
Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates.
These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They
enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE.



Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate:



http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg



Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through
electrostatic processes.



When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro
particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust
bunnies.



I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It
would be better for LENR if he did.












On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their
 function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to
 the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can
 find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf.

 Ed Storms

 On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:

   Ed--

 Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic
 associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack
 population.  Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

 Bob
  *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

 Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right
 size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will
 not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to
 detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active
 sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably
 because the tools and skill are not common.

 Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result,
 production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief
 times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather
 than a random event.

 Ed Stormss
  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:




 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:


   Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these
 at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different
 ways, but getting the right size is the problem.

 Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack
 sizes?








Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of 
us knows how Rossi does this.  Your guesses are not useful.  

I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see 
the difference? 

Ed Storms
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

 There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced 
 in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed 
 Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it.
  
 Rossi produces NAE with his “mouse” which is a nano-particle generator. 
 Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These 
 arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose 
 countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE.
  
 Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate:
  
 http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg
  
 Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through 
 electrostatic processes.  
  
 When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro 
 particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust 
 bunnies.
  
 I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It 
 would be better for LENR if he did.
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
 Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their 
 function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the 
 crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find 
 an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf.
 
 Ed Storms
 
 On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:
 
 Ed--
  
 Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic 
 associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack 
 population.  Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.
  
 Bob
 From: Edmund Storms
 Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Cc: Edmund Storms
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE
  
 Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right 
 size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will 
 not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to 
 detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active 
 sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably 
 because the tools and skill are not common.
  
 Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result, 
 production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief 
 times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than 
 a random event.
  
 Ed Stormss 
 On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:
 
  
 
 
 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com 
 wrote:
  
 Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at 
 the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, 
 but getting the right size is the problem.
 
 Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack 
 sizes?
  
 
  
 
 



Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with
something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is
controlled through the application of heat.

Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in
one unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to  run away
reaction; independent of  a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is
essentially supercritical.  The Cat just consumes these dust particles
vigorously, but this stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive
feedback runaway reaction through a direct thermal connection.

It is so obvious and so simple.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and
 neither of us knows how Rossi does this.  Your guesses are not useful.

 I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do
 you see the difference?

 Ed Storms

 On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

 There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be
 produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than
 the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust
 at it.


 Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator.
 Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates.
 These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They
 enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE.


 Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate:


 http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg


 Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally
 through electrostatic processes.


 When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro
 particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust
 bunnies.


 I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It
 would be better for LENR if he did.












 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their
 function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to
 the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can
 find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf
 .

 Ed Storms

 On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:

   Ed--

 Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic
 associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack
 population.  Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

 Bob
  *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

 Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right
 size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will
 not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to
 detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active
 sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably
 because the tools and skill are not common.

 Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result,
 production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief
 times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather
 than a random event.

 Ed Stormss
  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:




 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:


   Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these
 at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different
 ways, but getting the right size is the problem.

 Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack
 sizes?










Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Axil Axil
More...

The Rossi reaction is a two step operation where the mouse produces NAEs
and the Cat consumes these NAEs that are mobile one currents of hydrogen.

How else can it work???


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with
 something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is
 controlled through the application of heat.

 Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in
 one unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to  run away
 reaction; independent of  a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is
 essentially supercritical.  The Cat just consumes these dust particles
 vigorously, but this stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive
 feedback runaway reaction through a direct thermal connection.

 It is so obvious and so simple.


 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and
 neither of us knows how Rossi does this.  Your guesses are not useful.

 I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do
 you see the difference?

 Ed Storms

 On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:

 There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be
 produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than
 the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust
 at it.


 Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator.
 Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates.
 These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They
 enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE.


 Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate:


 http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg


 Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally
 through electrostatic processes.


 When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the
 micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside
 the dust bunnies.


 I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It
 would be better for LENR if he did.












 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:

 Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their
 function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to
 the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can
 find an explanation at
 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf.

 Ed Storms

 On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:

   Ed--

 Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic
 associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack
 population.  Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

 Bob
  *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

 Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the
 right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right
 size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium
 is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using
 fewer active sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often,
 probably because the tools and skill are not common.

 Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result,
 production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief
 times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather
 than a random event.

 Ed Stormss
  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:




 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms 
 stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:


   Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making
 these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many
 different ways, but getting the right size is the problem.

 Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack
 sizes?











[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Bob Cook
Axil and Ed— 

I do not admit to understanding the effect of temperature in detail.  However, 
I do  consider  temperature will change the magnitude of magnetic fields in the 
lattice and the vibrational frequencies of the lattice depending upon local 
geometry.  The latter  would effect how the distribution of phonons would or 
would not occur at a NAE and hence how the distribution of small packets of 
energy from a reaction may or may not happen.  Resonant coupling between the 
lattice and the reaction species is the crux of understanding the reaction.

Bob
From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:01 PM,
To: vortex-l
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

More...

The Rossi reaction is a two step operation where the mouse produces NAEs and 
the Cat consumes these NAEs that are mobile one currents of hydrogen.

How else can it work???



On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with 
something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is 
controlled through the application of heat.

  Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in one 
unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to  run away reaction; 
independent of  a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is essentially 
supercritical.  The Cat just consumes these dust particles vigorously, but this 
stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive feedback runaway reaction 
through a direct thermal connection.

  It is so obvious and so simple.



  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote

Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither 
of us knows how Rossi does this.  Your guesses are not useful.   

I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you 
see the difference?  

Ed Storms 

On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:


  There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be 
produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the 
way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it.


  Rossi produces NAE with his “mouse” which is a nano-particle generator. 
Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These 
arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose 
countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE.


  Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate:


  http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg


  Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally 
through electrostatic processes.  


  When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the 
micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the 
dust bunnies.


  I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It 
would be better for LENR if he did.













  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com 
wrote:

Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their 
function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the 
crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an 
explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. 

Ed Storms 

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:


  Ed--

  Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic 
associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack population.  
Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

  Bob 
  From: Edmund Storms 
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Cc: Edmund Storms 
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

  Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the 
right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size 
will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used 
to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active 
sites.  However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because 
the tools and skill are not common. 

  Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a 
result, production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief 
times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a 
random event. 

  Ed Stormss 

  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:






On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms 
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:


  Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making 
these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different 
ways, but getting the right size

[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Bob Cook
Ed—

I did not say temperature was the source of cracks.  I said it may help expand 
the useful crack populational.  This could happen by changing the vibrational 
frequency of any given crack structure closer to  its resonant frequency, 
making LENR at that crack likely.

Bob

From: Edmund Storms 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com  
Cc: Edmund Storms 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their 
function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the 
crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an 
explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. 

Ed Storms

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote:


  Ed--

  Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic 
associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful  crack population.  
Rossi seems to use temperature as a control.

  Bob 
  From: Edmund Storms 
  Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Cc: Edmund Storms 
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

  Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right 
size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not 
give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect 
the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites.  
However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the 
tools and skill are not common. 

  Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  As a result, 
production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for brief times, 
but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random 
event. 

  Ed Stormss 

  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:






On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com 
wrote:


  Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at 
the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but 
getting the right size is the problem. 


Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack 
sizes? 




[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE

2014-03-22 Thread Bob Cook
Ed--

What about crack orientation; is it more important than size when a magnetic 
field is present?

Bob

From: Edmund Storms 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:05 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Cc: Edmund Storms 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE

If I had such a method, I would first write a patent. Unfortunately, that is 
the method we are trying to find.  I can make cracks anytime I want but I can 
not make the most effective distribution at will, although I get lucky 
sometimes. 

Ed Storms

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:58 PM, James Bowery wrote:


  I may have inadequately expressed what I was looking for: 

  A technique to generate, in a single sample, a wide and relatively flat (very 
low kurtosis) distribution of crack sizes (and a large number of such cracks of 
course).

  This, as opposed to a wide array of techniques, each of which generates 
different but relatively narrow distribution of crack sizes.

  Obviously if you have a sensitive detection technique, like tritium with 
scintillation, you would prefer applying a single technique to a single sample 
and getting detectable tritium -- however small.



  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

I know of no single paper that describes how cracks are formed. However, a 
huge literature exists that describe how cracks are produced in materials and 
how this destructive process can be avoided. I have 69 papers in my collection 
that address this issue.  Unless you are prepared to do a lot of study, an 
answer to your question is not easy to supply. 

Ed Storms 

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:39 PM, James Bowery wrote:


  Is there a paper describing the technique(s) for generating a wide 
distribution of crack sizes? 




  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com 
wrote:

Tritium can not be detected easily using a beta detector. The best way 
is to convert the gas to water and measure the tritium using the scintillation 
metaod. The allows the sample to be studied over a period of time by many 
people if they wish.  

Ed Storms 

On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:02 PM, James Bowery wrote:


  Perhaps I can illustrate by avoiding thermal detection and going with 
tritium: 

  Since tritium production is inherently time integrated, setting up a 
Cravens style dual experiment with a one treated to have a wide range of crack 
sizes, and both identical in all other respects, puts the primary cost 
constraint on the beta-emission counter.  Can such counters be made economical?



  On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Ed, I'm attacking a different problem:  Cost. 

Since we're in a quasi-Edisonian phase of scientific research, 
keeping the cost per experiment as low as possible seems to be the bottleneck 
to getting a protocol that has reproduces the FPE to any statistically 
significant degree.

Developing a different kind of experimental set up may be the key.



On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Edmund Storms 
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

  James, I feel much more comfortable using a calorimeter design I 
can trust and that has been used in the past. The Cravens device is a nice 
demonstration but it proves nothing. I have made calorimeters that do the job 
much better and give absolute values for power.  No need exists to reinvent.  

  Ed Storms 

  On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:27 PM, James Bowery wrote:


If you are running a Cravens style simultaneous, colocated 
control experiment with infinite COP your odds of detecting a tiny temperature 
difference economically are vastly improved.  Basically you just integrate the 
voltage out of a bimetallic (thermocoupling) wall separating the treated 
material from the untreated material in a common vessel that provides a small 
amount of gas communication between the chambers for pressure equalization.  
This is not an expensive device.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Edmund Storms 
stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:

  Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough 
of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right 
size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is 
used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer 
active sites.  However, these methods have not been used very often, probably 
because the tools and skill are not common. 

  Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear.  
As a result, production of LENR is unstable.  This makes the effect occur for 
brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather 
than a random event. 

  Ed Storms 

  On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote:






On Sat, Mar 22, 2014