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Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
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Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
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There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it. Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator. Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE. Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate: http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through electrostatic processes. When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust bunnies. I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It would be better for LENR if he did. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
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Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of us knows how Rossi does this. Your guesses are not useful. I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see the difference? Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it. Rossi produces NAE with his “mouse” which is a nano-particle generator. Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE. Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate: http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through electrostatic processes. When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust bunnies. I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It would be better for LENR if he did. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
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Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is controlled through the application of heat. Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in one unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to run away reaction; independent of a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is essentially supercritical. The Cat just consumes these dust particles vigorously, but this stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive feedback runaway reaction through a direct thermal connection. It is so obvious and so simple. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of us knows how Rossi does this. Your guesses are not useful. I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see the difference? Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it. Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator. Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE. Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate: http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through electrostatic processes. When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust bunnies. I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It would be better for LENR if he did. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf . Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
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More... The Rossi reaction is a two step operation where the mouse produces NAEs and the Cat consumes these NAEs that are mobile one currents of hydrogen. How else can it work??? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is controlled through the application of heat. Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in one unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to run away reaction; independent of a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is essentially supercritical. The Cat just consumes these dust particles vigorously, but this stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive feedback runaway reaction through a direct thermal connection. It is so obvious and so simple. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of us knows how Rossi does this. Your guesses are not useful. I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see the difference? Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it. Rossi produces NAE with his mouse which is a nano-particle generator. Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE. Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate: http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through electrostatic processes. When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust bunnies. I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It would be better for LENR if he did. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob *From:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Sent:* Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Cc:* Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE
Axil and Ed— I do not admit to understanding the effect of temperature in detail. However, I do consider temperature will change the magnitude of magnetic fields in the lattice and the vibrational frequencies of the lattice depending upon local geometry. The latter would effect how the distribution of phonons would or would not occur at a NAE and hence how the distribution of small packets of energy from a reaction may or may not happen. Resonant coupling between the lattice and the reaction species is the crux of understanding the reaction. Bob From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:01 PM, To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE More... The Rossi reaction is a two step operation where the mouse produces NAEs and the Cat consumes these NAEs that are mobile one currents of hydrogen. How else can it work??? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, a guess but a good guess. Rossi's mouse is stimulating the Cat with something that floats on a hydrogen gas current and whose production is controlled through the application of heat. Rossi solved his control problem by separating dust bunnies production in one unit that has a very low Q and is not subject to run away reaction; independent of a very reactive high Q unit (the Cat) that is essentially supercritical. The Cat just consumes these dust particles vigorously, but this stage cannot produce dust bunnies to cause a positive feedback runaway reaction through a direct thermal connection. It is so obvious and so simple. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote Axil, how do you know how I produce the NAE. I do not know this and neither of us knows how Rossi does this. Your guesses are not useful. I can comprehend the process you describe. I just do not believe it. Do you see the difference? Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote: There is more than one way to skin a cat. LENR active cracks can be produced in more than one way. The way Rossi produces NAE is different than the way Ed Storms produces NAE, and Rossi is far more productive and robust at it. Rossi produces NAE with his “mouse” which is a nano-particle generator. Nano-particles are attracted to each other and form fractal arrogates. These arrogates are like dust bunnies that you find under the bed. They enclose countless nano-cavities that serve as NAE. Here is pictures of such a fractal abrogate: http://ej.iop.org/images/1367-2630/11/6/063030/Full/nj33fig1.jpg Note the presence of numerous nano-cavities that develops naturally through electrostatic processes. When these dust bunnies drift onto the 5 micron micro particles, the micro particles use dipole vibration to feed power into these NAE inside the dust bunnies. I deeply regret that Ed Storms cannot comprehend this simple process. It would be better for LENR if he did. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size
[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE
Ed— I did not say temperature was the source of cracks. I said it may help expand the useful crack populational. This could happen by changing the vibrational frequency of any given crack structure closer to its resonant frequency, making LENR at that crack likely. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 12:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE Bob, temperature is not the source of cracks or have any role in their function. Temperature changes the rate at which hydrogen is delivered to the crack. It is important to understand the role of each variable. You can find an explanation at http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEexplaining.pdf. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Ed-- Engineering resonances associated with any given crack characteristic associated with LENR activation may help expand the useful crack population. Rossi seems to use temperature as a control. Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods hav e not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Stormss On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Based on my theory, the active material are nano-cracks. Making these at the require size is the challenge. Cracks can be made many different ways, but getting the right size is the problem. Might there be a technique that generates a wide distribution of crack sizes?
[Vo]:Re: 2 Modes of the FPE
Ed-- What about crack orientation; is it more important than size when a magnetic field is present? Bob From: Edmund Storms Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:2 Modes of the FPE If I had such a method, I would first write a patent. Unfortunately, that is the method we are trying to find. I can make cracks anytime I want but I can not make the most effective distribution at will, although I get lucky sometimes. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:58 PM, James Bowery wrote: I may have inadequately expressed what I was looking for: A technique to generate, in a single sample, a wide and relatively flat (very low kurtosis) distribution of crack sizes (and a large number of such cracks of course). This, as opposed to a wide array of techniques, each of which generates different but relatively narrow distribution of crack sizes. Obviously if you have a sensitive detection technique, like tritium with scintillation, you would prefer applying a single technique to a single sample and getting detectable tritium -- however small. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I know of no single paper that describes how cracks are formed. However, a huge literature exists that describe how cracks are produced in materials and how this destructive process can be avoided. I have 69 papers in my collection that address this issue. Unless you are prepared to do a lot of study, an answer to your question is not easy to supply. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:39 PM, James Bowery wrote: Is there a paper describing the technique(s) for generating a wide distribution of crack sizes? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Tritium can not be detected easily using a beta detector. The best way is to convert the gas to water and measure the tritium using the scintillation metaod. The allows the sample to be studied over a period of time by many people if they wish. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 1:02 PM, James Bowery wrote: Perhaps I can illustrate by avoiding thermal detection and going with tritium: Since tritium production is inherently time integrated, setting up a Cravens style dual experiment with a one treated to have a wide range of crack sizes, and both identical in all other respects, puts the primary cost constraint on the beta-emission counter. Can such counters be made economical? On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:56 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Ed, I'm attacking a different problem: Cost. Since we're in a quasi-Edisonian phase of scientific research, keeping the cost per experiment as low as possible seems to be the bottleneck to getting a protocol that has reproduces the FPE to any statistically significant degree. Developing a different kind of experimental set up may be the key. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: James, I feel much more comfortable using a calorimeter design I can trust and that has been used in the past. The Cravens device is a nice demonstration but it proves nothing. I have made calorimeters that do the job much better and give absolute values for power. No need exists to reinvent. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:27 PM, James Bowery wrote: If you are running a Cravens style simultaneous, colocated control experiment with infinite COP your odds of detecting a tiny temperature difference economically are vastly improved. Basically you just integrate the voltage out of a bimetallic (thermocoupling) wall separating the treated material from the untreated material in a common vessel that provides a small amount of gas communication between the chambers for pressure equalization. This is not an expensive device. On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, getting a wide variety of sizes is easy. Getting enough of the right size in this distribution is the problem. Only a few of the right size will not give enough energy to be detected. When radiation or tritium is used to detect the occurrence of LENR, the effect can be seen using fewer active sites. However, these methods have not been used very often, probably because the tools and skill are not common. Cracks either want to grow larger or sinter and disappear. As a result, production of LENR is unstable. This makes the effect occur for brief times, but not long enough to be sure LENR is actually happening rather than a random event. Ed Storms On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:28 AM, James Bowery wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2014