Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
Fact is, that Mats Lewan's last article on CF/LENR in NyTeknik dates to 28-Feb-2012 http://www.nyteknik.se/tjanster/sok/ Here are his affiliations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matslewan on his personal blog there is one additional entry from 28-April: http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/defkalion-posts-job-listing-for-21-professionals/ (My comment on this is, that a job-offer like this does not imply that a company is actually hiring. Maybe they just want to give the impression that they do. Bonus effect: It costs them exactly nothing, and they can scan the field.) Here he also states: ...At Ny Teknik, we’re following the development closely and we will come back with further reports as soon as there’s more confirmed data available... So I am factually WRONG that Lewan is not affiliated with NyTeknik anymore, and had to 'resign', and indeed he writes on a variety of issues there: http://www.nyteknik.se/ovrigt/redaktionen/mats_lewan/ So shame on me on this one. Fact is also, that NyTeknik is not publishing anything re CF/LENR since 28-Feb. Sorry, I could not find the reference anymore, that there have been some discussions inside NyTeknik re CF/LENR-reporting, so I should not make such claims just from memory. But zero reporting on a seemingly hot issue should make one think, right? Guenter Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:36 Freitag, 13.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two I agree with Jed here… Guenter wrote: --- “Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. “Since the elimination of M.L. from Nyteknik staff, all LENR reporting stopped. Why? - Guenter wrote these not as questions, but explicit statements as if they were fact… shame on you!!! Perhaps a web search of 'LENR Nyteknik'returned nothing, but a web search of Nyteknik and Lewans would have shown that he was still publishing articles as Jed so easily pointed out. This list certainly engages in plenty of speculation, but most people will write in such a way to make it clear its speculation. When it comes to speculations about a person (as opposed to science/technology), you dam well better make sure you state that it is speculation… or else do the necessary checking to make sure you have the facts behind you. -Mark From:Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Wether Mats Lewan has the mental acuity to decode what is going on, is an open isue to me. I have no doubt he has sufficient mental acuity. Lewan could not make his case convincingly, and made some grave errors of judgement, as far as I can see. Correct me if I am wrong, on a factual basis. Errors of judgement are a matter of opinion. Your statements regarding matters of fact are wrong. Lewan is still writing there. His article are still on file. He has not retracted, and neither has Essen, Kullander or any of the others. Consider yourself corrected. People such as Essen know a great deal more about energy than you do, and much more about the Rossi device. So I expect they are right, and you are technically wrong about the claims, as well as factually wrong about Lewan's employment status. Unless you have specific information that Lewan is not longer writing for NyTeknik, you should not claim he has been fired. I think such unfounded rumors are inappropriate here. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
Hi Guenter: There isn’t much new, verifiable news to report, so why waste reporter resources when there are all kinds of technology and science developments going on? Nyteknik reports on all kinds of things, so there is much to keep it busy… I don’t think it’s much of a surprise that Nyteknik has not published any LENR articles since Feb… don’t read more into it than there is. -m From: Guenter Wildgruber [mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:44 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Fact is, that Mats Lewan's last article on CF/LENR in NyTeknik dates to 28-Feb-2012 http://www.nyteknik.se/tjanster/sok/ Here are his affiliations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Matslewan on his personal blog there is one additional entry from 28-April: http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/defkalion-posts-job-listing-for-21-professionals/ (My comment on this is, that a job-offer like this does not imply that a company is actually hiring. Maybe they just want to give the impression that they do. Bonus effect: It costs them exactly nothing, and they can scan the field.) Here he also states: ...At Ny Teknik, we’re following the development closely and we will come back with further reports as soon as there’s more confirmed data available... So I am factually WRONG that Lewan is not affiliated with NyTeknik anymore, and had to 'resign', and indeed he writes on a variety of issues there: http://www.nyteknik.se/ovrigt/redaktionen/mats_lewan/ So shame on me on this one. Fact is also, that NyTeknik is not publishing anything re CF/LENR since 28-Feb. Sorry, I could not find the reference anymore, that there have been some discussions inside NyTeknik re CF/LENR-reporting, so I should not make such claims just from memory. But zero reporting on a seemingly hot issue should make one think, right? Guenter _ Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:36 Freitag, 13.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two I agree with Jed here… Guenter wrote: --- “Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. “Since the elimination of M.L. from Nyteknik staff, all LENR reporting stopped. Why? - Guenter wrote these not as questions, but explicit statements as if they were fact… shame on you!!! Perhaps a web search of 'LENR Nyteknik' returned nothing, but a web search of Nyteknik and Lewans would have shown that he was still publishing articles as Jed so easily pointed out. This list certainly engages in plenty of speculation, but most people will write in such a way to make it clear its speculation. When it comes to speculations about a person (as opposed to science/technology), you dam well better make sure you state that it is speculation… or else do the necessary checking to make sure you have the facts behind you. -Mark From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Wether Mats Lewan has the mental acuity to decode what is going on, is an open isue to me. I have no doubt he has sufficient mental acuity. Lewan could not make his case convincingly, and made some grave errors of judgement, as far as I can see. Correct me if I am wrong, on a factual basis. Errors of judgement are a matter of opinion. Your statements regarding matters of fact are wrong. Lewan is still writing there. His article are still on file. He has not retracted, and neither has Essen, Kullander or any of the others. Consider yourself corrected. People such as Essen know a great deal more about energy than you do, and much more about the Rossi device. So I expect they are right, and you are technically wrong about the claims, as well as factually wrong about Lewan's employment status. Unless you have specific information that Lewan is not longer writing for NyTeknik, you should not claim he has been fired. I think such unfounded rumors are inappropriate here. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
20120714 00:04 Some thinking about Rossi's recent claims. ref: recent Interview 2012-07-12 http://www.freeenergysystems.com/Andrea_Rossi_Discusses_The_E-Cat_Part_1/ http://www.freeenergysystems.com/Andrea_Rossi_Discusses_The_E-Cat_Part_2/ (Sterliing Allen and his crew are in my department of -ahem - 'funny characters', and should be symptomatic, that Rossi enters an extended conversation with these.) Here Rossi claims that his 600degC home-ecat is 12x12x6 inch, which is about the size of his generation1 e-cat. It is refilled after 6 months by a cheap cartouche. Let us assume that it is the size of a tube with 10inch x 2inch diameter, containing mainly several grams of specially treated Nickel, plus maybe some magic sauce. No H2 or D2 inside, which would have to have a tricky release mechanism, and stand temperatures of 600degC over 6months. Where the H2/D2 comes from, he does not explain. H2 is very difficult to contain for a lengthy period of time, and much less so at elevated temperatures. anyway. Let us loook at the thermodynamics: It must be actually the inside of the tube, where heat-generation happens, with an order of magnitude of 10kW, which seems to be Rossi's standard of measure. Now how do You get all this heat out? Good question. Everybody with a PC under his table, and opened it, would see a big cooler on top of the CPU, with its dimensions such that the silicon temperature is below say 80degC, with a temperature source (the silicon) producing say 100W. The 'magic' here is, that there is a series of thermal resistancesin between the heat-source and ambient. it is measured by degC/W. a typical value being here 0.3degC/W for the cooling beween silicon and ambient. So for the silicon to be below 80degC, producing 100W, the cooler has on its output 80-30=50degC. You get the idea. Now with the e-cat it is similar: You have a heat-producing core, and want to deliver the maximum to a 'consumer', which is a thermal sink. Delivering 10kW/600degC to the 'consumer' of the system, means, the core must be hotter than the 'consumer', right? Question is: how much? Thankfully this is open to very basic mathematics/thermal analysis, where several parameters can be varied. Now 10kW is a 100times the power dissipation of your high-performance-CPU under Your desk, which you rarely care and feed for as long as it does what it is supposed to. How does this play out? Suppose You want to keep the reactor-core below 1000degK, delivering 600degK to the 'customer', there is a difference of 400degK, which has to be managed. This computes to 4e2degK/1e4W= 0.04 degK/W, which is an EXTREMELY hefty value. I do not know of ANY system which only remotely could perform that feat. (Btw, this is extremely optimistic. In practice, in a hot system like that, parameters are not stable.) Now you can call me a stubborn ignorant conservative idiot or whatever. I just do'nt believe that. I would have swallowed that with a 200degC e-cat, but NOT with a 600degC device, which is --combining this with my firm conviction that the process is inherently INHOMOGENOUS-, a deadly combination. With that it should seem to be obvious even to the most hopeful, that Rossi is a phantast, probably worse. A stooge who sold his soul to sinister forces. (I try to explain later how this strange issue could be logically resolved.Some probability attached, ofcourse.) Anybody raised on software-diet or tendering a garden as his main business can be fooled by that, and because Americans- sorry folks- prefer being happy to sad, tend to believe that BS. My third installment on this issue is still missing, and I have to make some finetuning on it, not to be blamed as a nutcase, and probably makes somebody's hair stand up, who believes that a splendid future is just around the corner. Beg Your pardon. To repeat: I believe that LENR is true, just not as Rossi/DGT claim it to be. Guenter Von: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 10:30 Freitag, 13.Juli 2012 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Hi Guenter: There isn’t much new, verifiable news to report, so why waste reporter resources when there are all kinds of technology and science developments going on? Nyteknik reports on all kinds of things, so there is much to keep it busy… I don’t think it’s much of a surprise that Nyteknik has not published any LENR articles since Feb… don’t read more into it than there is. -m
[Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
Rossi conspiracy, part TWO. Here I concentrate on Rossi/DGT, which somehow seem to be joined at the hip. The genealogy seems to be clear: Piantelli/Focardi - Rossi - DGT Rossi improved on P/F, then DGT stole something and improved, then Rossi improved. Here we are: the 600degC solid-state e-cat. Remember: Rossi never proved anything! Whoever believes differently: please show the evidence! There is none of any validity! Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. Since the elimination of M.L. from Nyteknik staff, all LENR reporting stopped. Why? Ask yourself. Rossi, without a doubt is a master of pretending. But he is approaching some limits, which are timed to about 9/2012. Rossi, I am sure, has nothing to offer but vague socalled 'evidences', transmitted via various internet channels. Somebody respectable must stand up, not only National Instruments, which currently seems to be ridiculing itself. (Note: I know NI/ Labview from v 1.0 on a Mac 128k, so do'nT ask me. if somebody offers the the most precise measuring tools to measure a BRUTALLY evident effect like commercial LENR, I have to ask, if those guys understood a bit of the issue.) The general calmness of Rossi (pretending a 16hr workday, simultaneously answering all sorts of silly questions,) is something to consider, right? Now comes the conspiracy: Fasten Your seatbelts! - Part III
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
At 12:23 PM 7/12/2012, Guenter Wildgruber wrote: Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. Since the elimination of M.L. from Nyteknik staff, all LENR reporting stopped. Why? Ask yourself. As far as I can see, Mats is still with NyTeknik -- eg https://twitter.com/matslew -- he articles up from June 2012
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. Lewan is still there as far as I know. He would have told me otherwise. There is nothing sloppy about his reports. Given the difficulty of dealing with Rossi they are superb. The only bullshitting I see here is by Guenter Wildgruber, spreading false rumors about Lewan and Rossi, and absurd, unfounded conspiracy theories. Lewan has not reported anything more about Rossi or Defkalion because there is nothing more to report. Neither of them has done anything newsworthy. I have not reported anything about them either, for the same reason. I have no information, and I am not interested in repeating the claims that Rossi makes in his blog. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
Nyteknik/Mats Lewan stopped reporting about LENR as of Feb 28, 2012. Yes. He seems to be reporting about drones as late as late as June 12, 2012 at Nyteknik, but nothing wrt LENR. Google 'LENR Nyteknik' and you see that it stops at Feb 28, with a hefty 460 comments in swedish. Maybe Mats should comment why he did not report anymore on the most important issue, which ofcourse involved heavy expenses by a small publication like Nyteknnik, enabling visiting Italy and Greece and such byone oof its core reporters, to find out what is going on. And yes, I am just a bystander, watching possible bullshitters , not having the time to visit the ultimate bullshitters. Wether Mats Lewan has the mental acuity to decode what is going on, is an open isue to me. I must confess that I did not find the exact reference as to why Lewan has been sent to the pastures wrt LENR , so to say, but the fact is, that that Nyteknik LENR-reporting stopped Feb 28. Jed. I have high regards toward Your assessment wrt LENR, but choose your peers wisely. Lewan could not make his case convincingly, and made some grave errors of judgement, as far as I can see. Correct me if I am wrong, on a factual basis. I am presenting here a low probaility issue, say 20%, which is conveniently termed a conspiracy, but is not. This is a probabilistic assessment of affairs with probability 0% to xx%. Lewan is just one case, switched down from 90% to 10% by his peers. For me this is significant, but not decisive, as anything is for me. If You do not understand this, not my problem. Guenter. Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:46 Donnerstag, 12.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. Lewan is still there as far as I know.
RE: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
I agree with Jed here. Guenter wrote: --- Mats Lewan from Nyteknik had to resign because of what? Sloppy bullshitting. Since the elimination of M.L. from Nyteknik staff, all LENR reporting stopped. Why? - Guenter wrote these not as questions, but explicit statements as if they were fact. shame on you!!! Perhaps a web search of 'LENR Nyteknik' returned nothing, but a web search of Nyteknik and Lewans would have shown that he was still publishing articles as Jed so easily pointed out. This list certainly engages in plenty of speculation, but most people will write in such a way to make it clear its speculation. When it comes to speculations about a person (as opposed to science/technology), you dam well better make sure you state that it is speculation. or else do the necessary checking to make sure you have the facts behind you. -Mark From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:20 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Wether Mats Lewan has the mental acuity to decode what is going on, is an open isue to me. I have no doubt he has sufficient mental acuity. Lewan could not make his case convincingly, and made some grave errors of judgement, as far as I can see. Correct me if I am wrong, on a factual basis. Errors of judgement are a matter of opinion. Your statements regarding matters of fact are wrong. Lewan is still writing there. His article are still on file. He has not retracted, and neither has Essen, Kullander or any of the others. Consider yourself corrected. People such as Essen know a great deal more about energy than you do, and much more about the Rossi device. So I expect they are right, and you are technically wrong about the claims, as well as factually wrong about Lewan's employment status. Unless you have specific information that Lewan is not longer writing for NyTeknik, you should not claim he has been fired. I think such unfounded rumors are inappropriate here. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two
I just found that: Lewan set up his own blog at http://matslew.wordpress.com/ There we have an interesting gap from feb28 to apr28, where he mentions the fabulous 'job' listings of of DGT: 21 jobs. This quite probably is just vaporware, as far as my humble experience goes. If companies just signify some need of personell, or have a real interest, You never know. The map is not the territory, as the good Korzybski rightfully said. A step further: PRETENDING is not EXISTING. Now Lewan interestingly linked to Nyteknik, which stopped at Feb 28. Lewan must be seriously deluded or think that his followers are as deluded as he is. See here: http://matslew.wordpress.com/2012/04/28/what-would-it-be-like-to-be-super-intelligent/ Oh yes. Lewan says: ... As I have mentioned before, there are good reasons to believe that artificial intelligence by 2045 will surpass the total intelligence of all human brains in the world, both in an intellectual, emotional and moral sense. ... Lewan obvviously is a Kurzweilian, and I must say: Those are strange guys. Which is an implicit concession that primitive humankind simply is not able to care for its own and needs the supreme care and feeding of the likes of Kurzweilin superintelligence with IQ approaching infinity. Thank you! Which might be right on the money, because the good Lewan exactly proves his own proposition, and appeals to some entity or process, which supposedly heals his insanity. Kurzweil, right now, in the real world, seems to suffer a terminal disease, which I do not applaud, but hope that he possibly, finally enters a phase of substantial thinking. Come to your senses, my american friends. That this disease infected even decent Swedes, worries me a bit. Guenter Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 0:19 Freitag, 13.Juli 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi conspiracy, part Two Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote: Wether Mats Lewan has the mental acuity to decode what is going on, is an open isue to me. I have no doubt he has sufficient mental acuity. Lewan could not make his case convincingly, and made some grave errors of judgement, as far as I can see. Correct me if I am wrong, on a factual basis. Errors of judgement are a matter of opinion. Your statements regarding matters of fact are wrong. Lewan is still writing there. His article are still on file. He has not retracted, and neither has Essen, Kullander or any of the others. Consider yourself corrected. People such as Essen know a great deal more about energy than you do, and much more about the Rossi device. So I expect they are right, and you are technically wrong about the claims, as well as factually wrong about Lewan's employment status. Unless you have specific information that Lewan is not longer writing for NyTeknik, you should not claim he has been fired. I think such unfounded rumors are inappropriate here. - Jed
