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Cut Cut... my statement below was intervened upon by 'someone' who can operate from within my feeble intelligence process, w/o my knowledge. Two words, 'only' and 'navigated' were somehow kept from being typed in the last sentence, and have now been re-included. This is what I said to NASA about 3 years ago. I also mentioned that the rotor they had gotten to spin at a sustained 60,000 Rpm's (1,000 Rps's) back in ' 2001 (?), was absolutely essential in-order to achieve the Independent State of Energy/Propusion in what I am convinced is the one system that will not only enable us to travel space in the extreme, but as to how it is interpreted or navigated /HTML
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Antigravity can 'only' have what might be considered an on-board application, and so, anyone who has either a vested-interest, or money, or great faith in it, simply doesn't know about the enormous potential of the yet undiscovered system, that can have no equal. While it does require a moving part spinning at a very high rate of Rpm's, it's the only way to generate the principle dynamic force that will enable an altogether powerfully new efficient form of 'independent' propulsion that will enable a like vehicle/craft to travel space in the extreme, to anywhere that may be at anytime (read it weep!). As I read of Jed and his predictions I wonder will his be bettor or worse. They had the right idea in 1912 but the wrong implementation. No one had a clue of the coming internet until it happened. Some see only tragedy. I see anti-gravity and cold fusion. /HTML
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This is what I said to NASA about 3 years ago. I also mentioned that the rotor they had gotten to spin at a sustained 60,000 Rpm's (1,000 Rps's) back in ' 2001 (?), was absolutely essential in-order to achieve the Independent State of Energy/Propusion in what I am convinced is the one system that will not enable us to travel space in the extreme, but as to how it is interpreted. It's a matter of powerfully energizing electromagnetic-force to compensate an equally powerful centrifugal or centripedal force, that will result in a whole new form of energy-field. I doing so, will essentially enable a whole complete variety of functions to be performed, without any physical contact... it's simply a matter of a million years or so, of some serious in-depth RD. Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals. /HTML
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I am under the impression that the antigravity concept has been discussed in details on vortex before. Unfortunately, I was not privileged to be involved in that discussion so I have one concept that seems to be required for it to function. Assume that a mass of material is shielded by an antigravity system of some type. The same mass requires a certain amount of energy to raise it upward a meter without the system. My suspicion is that at least this amount of energy must be expended by the antigravity device if the same final mass displacement is achieved. The conservation of energy would require this to happen in my opinion. Has this issue been covered before in the collective? Dave -Original Message- From: LORENHEYER lorenhe...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 11:49 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens Antigravity can 'only' have what might be considered an on-board pplication, and so, anyone who has either a vested-interest, or money, or great aith n it, simply doesn't know about the enormous potential of the yet ndiscovered system, that can have no equal. While it does require a moving part pinning at a very high rate of Rpm's, it's the only way to generate the rinciple dynamic force that will enable an altogether powerfully new efficient orm of 'independent' propulsion that will enable a like vehicle/craft to ravel space in the extreme, to anywhere that may be at anytime (read it eep!). As I read of Jed and his predictions I wonder will his be bettor or orse. They had the right idea in 1912 but the wrong implementation. No one ad a clue of the coming internet until it happened. Some see only tragedy. see anti-gravity and cold fusion. /HTML
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Yes antigravity has been discussed. I went to the Marshall Spaceflight center and here is my report. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter3.html This was 12 years ago and nothing much has happened since. Frank Z This is what I said to NASA about 3 years ago. I also mentioned that the rotor they had gotten to spin at a sustained 60,000 Rpm's (1,000 Rps's) back in ' 2001 (?), was absolutely essential in-order to achieve the Independent State of Energy/Propusion in what I am convinced is the one system that will not enable us to travel space in the extreme, but as to how it is interpreted. -Original Message- From: LORENHEYER lorenhe...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens This is what I said to NASA about 3 years ago. I also mentioned that the rotor they had gotten to spin at a sustained 60,000 Rpm's (1,000 Rps's) back in ' 2001 (?), was absolutely essential in-order to achieve the Independent State of Energy/Propusion in what I am convinced is the one system that will not enable us to travel space in the extreme, but as to how it is interpreted. It's a matter of powerfully energizing electromagnetic-force to compensate an equally powerful centrifugal or centripedal force, that will result in a whole new form of energy-field. I doing so, will essentially enable a whole complete variety of functions to be performed, without any physical contact... it's simply a matter of a million years or so, of some serious in-depth RD. Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals. /HTML
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Considering the never-ending conundrum of whether we are alone I came up with the following 500 word short story. I submitted it to a local science fiction community for a writing contest. While the story didn't win any prizes it was one of the finalists. I suspect Stephen Hawking might find aspects amusing... or not. ;-) Enjoy! __ THE SOURCE Were we alone? Surely that wasn't the case. But no one had ever answered our calls. When we finally mastered interstellar space travel we felt it was time to find out if that was truly the case. We soon discovered life existed outside the nurturing confines of our home system. Not only that, life was sprinkled everywhere, generously so. Then came the surprise. DNA, appeared to be the only blueprint used to build life throughout the universe. Even more astonishing was the fact that DNA samples taken from all our travels revealed that life seemed to have originated from a singular genetic source, origins unknown, including our own. Externally, life everywhere looked different, but underneath tissue, hide, hair, scales, and feathers, we were all related. How could evolution throughout the galaxy have spawned such incredible genetic uniformity? We obviously don't know how evolution really works; that's how we consoled ourselves. We eventually discovered advanced civilizations, some having even achieved space travel. They could have visited us long ago had they chosen to travel our way. Why hadn't they visited us? Clearly they must have been aware of our presence, our radio broadcasts. We had to know. We chose a candidate; a civilization we had repeatedly transmitted greetings to in the past. We dispatched our finest emissary ship and entered their solar system as non-threateningly as we could, all the while continuously broadcasting our peaceful intentions. We settled our ship as delicately as we could, close to a metropolis, next to what appeared to be a hastily gathered assemblage of officials - witnesses to the historic event. The ship's hatch opened. Dignitaries and ambassadors filed out one-by-one. Our greeters shuffled nervously, all the while remaining quiet. Eventually we broke the silence. We extended warm greetings, wishing them peace and prosperity. Finally, we asked them Why haven't you answered our calls? We wish you no harm. Leave, immediately! was their answer. It was too late for us, they added. They demanded we cease all further communication, especially anything that could give away their position. And then they scurried back to the safety of their city, leaving us standing alone. We raced home, entering our system just in time to witness the armada assembling. Like a swarm of hungry hornets, black needles kilometers in length fired deadly energy beams that screamed through our home world's atmosphere, slicing through continents and oceans as if cutting through soft butter. The tiniest bacterium to the largest leviathans in our oceans, everything was sucked into vast geostationary interstellar refineries parked above. Molecular structures evolved over eons were unraveled, then recombined into new matrices more suitable to the nutritional requirements of an unknown consumer. After the armada's storage facilities were filled they sterilized our ravaged planet with bursts of deadly gamma radiation. The surface was then reseeded with a single bacterium possessing a unique genetic strain, a hauntingly familiar source. And then they left, content to let evolution once again grow to fruition. We discovered we were alone. __ C 2012 Steven Vincent Johnson Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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I don't know, but the first beeping signals have now reached 12,500 stars. The fact of the matter is any civilizations out there able to receive our signal should have been transmitting at least 100 years ago and we should already have detected them. It appears that we are unique.Many are predicting we will not be around to receive any answer. http://www.physorg.com/news196489543.html Frank Znidarsic So besides SETI attempts, what would be our best chance to detect ET life? At least, i think they should emit low amounts of infrared (You've got to stay warm in winter, right), some kind of heat signature, but to see something you must be inside their cone, what do you think ? Dont know.
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Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals. At this point it can only be speculation as to what future technology will be invented. Before radio, all we had was wire lines. Who predicted modern digital communications over vast distances 100 years ago? I am not more capable of this than the next guy but I leave the probability open for future advances since I have seen many during my lifetime. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens I don't know, but the first beeping signals have now reached 12,500 stars. The fact of the matter is any civilizations out there able to receive our signal should have been transmitting at least 100 years ago and we should already have detected them. It appears that we are unique. Many are predicting we will not be around to receive any answer. http://www.physorg.com/news196489543.html Frank Znidarsic So besides SETI attempts, what would be our best chance to detect ET life? At least, i think they should emit low amounts of infrared (You've got to stay warm in winter, right), some kind of heat signature, but to see something you must be inside their cone, what do you think ? Dont know.
Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens
Ion-propulsion is highly inefficient, but because it produces only a limited amount of power, the equivalence of a piece of paper resting on your hand (please, whatever you do don't sneeze), it has a limited use. Now, Antigravity is believed to have great potential, especially because it has no moving-parts, but, it is not independent technology, and/or require a highly specialized condition/base in-order for a vehicle to operate, which, renders it mostly unuseable. Now, the undiscovered potential of the system I propose, does consist of A single moving-part, however, it is the only way the essential principle force can be generated so an altogether 'different' type of vehicle/craft to do what is currently sought-after in one way or another. There is also an enthusiastic 'following' of people favor or support a 'nonlinear-mode' of travel (opposed to 'linear' ) for traversing the vast distances of space in a very reduced time-frame,,, that wil supposedly use powerful electromagnets to produce a gravitational- force so-powerful that it can bend or distort space, so as to by-pass it altogether. A wormhole, blackhole and/or hyper/warp-drive system (hint hint, there's only one that comes close), are presumed to enable F.T.L. (faster-than-light) travel, thereby much time and enormous amounts of food, air, liquids, etc, in-order to make even a trip to the nearest star. Well now, it doesn't take a rocket-scientist to realize that this so-called time-saving method is at the very-least impractical if not suicidal, because such a device would require an unobtainable amount of energy, and only to end in self destruction. Now, as it is stands, electromagnetic-properties have the potential to attract/pull a thousand X's their own weight, and altho that is based-on direct-contact, a large percentage of that should be obtainable. Also, when a very powerful electromagnetic-force is powerly used to controll C-force, it will uniqquesly combine to create or generate an all new form of energy. Anyway, given certain dimensions within a spinning rotor assembly, 1-lb of weight can potetially generate several tons of Centrifugal (?) or Centripetal (?) force, and so it's very feasible that the overall weight of a certain highly efficient vehicle, can be overtaken The task or goal is to utilize this principle within a system to eliminate mechanical-energy, which would enable a 'State' of Light Energy/Propulsion to be perfected, thus enabling some 'other' vehicle-craft to travel space in the extreme, to any star, that may harbor intelligent life, that may be at anytime in evolution or technological progression. This 'other' system is a highly efficient means of generating a viable new advanced form of propulsion, or energy, that will not only enable any maneuver, but possibly reach speeds in the sub-light range, or ??? If some good in-depth RD was conducted, I am confident the potential of this system would soon be realized, thus enabling our current knowledge of propulsion energy to be completely revised. Presently, there are various aspects at work in our society that are rather relatively easy to observe, such as the average household clothes-washing machine, which, if improperly imbalanced in the spin-cycle, will not spin fast enough, or at all. Also, when a tire is put on the wheel of you vehicle at the local Garage, and is computer balanced with little lead-weights, in order to spin or wear evenly. Under normal circumstances, if a rotor-center was simply imbalanced, it would quickly start to shake, rattle, wobble, and at some point destroy whatever was holding it in place. Simply, an imbalanced rotor assembly or wheel that trys to spin at high-rate or Rpm's, can generate a significant amount of C-force, that will overpower or disable it. And so, this 'other' system essentially enables a high rate of rpm's to be obtained, and to the point it will level-off to a stable controllable manner. Then, it's a simple matter of regulating energy via a very exact/precise timing-order-sequence, and the sky is no longer the limit, nor sapce for that matter. All you have to do then is figure-out away of getting rid of 100 % of this bio-baggage, and/or obtain immortality thru technology,,, and you're good to go. (I know, I didn't 'believe' it either,, but, it's the only thing that hasn't even been considered, of which I am certain will work unlike anything anyone will believe. . It will simply require an old dog (which is really only a spring chicken) to learn a new trick sure it must might be rough! rough! at first, but then you'll find that you'll be able to do alot more than just roll over, and fetch a ball... good boy! ... now speak! /HTML
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Ion-propulsion is highly inefficient, but because it produces only a limited amount of power, the equivalence of a piece of paper resting on your hand (please, whatever you do don't vast snip I have to killfile this guy. I guess he is trying to write in html, but it comes across as a 65-line run-on sentence. I checked the vortex-l website to make sure it wasn't just my email reader and his posts there are the same unreadable globs of words as they are in my email reader. People should at least throw in a line of white space every 3 or 4 lines.
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It's almost absurd to even think about waiting around for an answer, especially if our signals are being disabled,,, and (believe it or not) I think there may be a likely good reason for this. SO, what if we got an answer... what do we do then? Should we ask them if they have more advanced technology, or, if they can tell us things in which can actually only learn for ourselves, or, what it might mean to be indpendent or free of the limitations of this planet?... So, ask a few questions that you'd like to have answered, and make sure they have some real meaning,,, otherwise you will not likely get an answer , and/or one you could even begin to understand. Now, it might be comparable to your long lost relative (if they could talk) asking you (human being) if you know where some bananas (or oranges) are, because you have a large family that requires almost a limitless supply. you know what I mean here ? I don't know, but the first beeping signals have now reached 12,500 stars.The fact of the matter is any civilizations out there able to receive our signal should have been transmitting at least 100 years ago and we should already have detected them. It appears that we are unique.Many are predicting we will not be around to receive any answer. /HTML
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Some people can't deal with certain matters, and will quickly change the subject. By finding fault with words (which obviously give you immense comfort), rather than the matter at hand, I can only must conclude that you simply aren't meant to learn or 'know' certain things,,, so, please go ahead and kill my file... I'll get over it. I have to killfile this guy. I guess he is trying to write in html, but it comes across as a 65-line run-on sentence. I checked the vortex-l website to make sure it wasn't just my email reader and his posts there are the same unreadable globs of words as they are in my email reader. People should at least throw in a line of white space every 3 or 4 lines. /HTML
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Believe it or not, but this just might be a sort-of mandatory-step from which a whole new society emerges and starts a'new. times, they are a changin! Let's just hope that it is not typical for an advanced civilization to end itself with super weapons once it reaches a certain point in its development! /HTML
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As Jed has said we are now going radio silent. Many of the highest power shortwave stations such as Deutsche Wella have gone off of the air. They have been replaced with very lower power cellphone like gigahertz transmitters from local and satellite transmitters.In PA I pick up only one local television station now as compared with 4 regional stations with the old VHF system, UHF does not defract downward as VHF does. Television may someday go to low power and cable only with the effectiveness of high power UHF digital air wave transmission being limited. Radar my go as all planes are equipped with transponders. It was proposed by someone, I forget who, that we make a circle of fire on the earth to signal Mars. Tessla tried to signal Mars with his coil, what a waist, we now know Mars is dead. Antigravity is coming someday, as all of the magnetic fields, including the gravitomagnetic, are not a conserved property of the universe. There is nothing fundamental stopping us just the know how. Maybe that will get us out there. Someone should do a story of this all with the 100 anniversary of the beeping transmitter and send it to IE. Frank Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals.
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I am not sure that going radio silent at local distances would be a good thing unless the new technology that replaces radio has major advantages. It would be advantageous to eliminate the wires and fibers that are now strung all over the place but the speed of local communications does not appear to be a problem looking for a solution. A network of small, inexpensive RF type transceivers conveniently located to cover the regions of interest could offer fast reliable communications for the future. The low power required for short range operation would effectively make us appear as radio silent to outsiders. Who knows, LENR power sources for these devices might very well allow them to operate indefinitely. The thought of antigravity devices coming soon is tantalizing. Do you suspect that we are just one discovery short of achieving that goal? Or maybe it has already been observed within a laboratory somewhere but not confirmed, similar to our favorite subject LENR. I wonder if anyone has made observations that suggest strange anomalies in gravitational measurements that have remained unexplained thus far? It is the unexplainable occurrences that hide the important discoveries and things we totally understand are at the level of our current technology. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens As Jed has said we are now going radio silent. Many of the highest power shortwave stations such as Deutsche Wella have gone off of the air. They have been replaced with very lower power cellphone like gigahertz transmitters from local and satellite transmitters.In PA I pick up only one local television station now as compared with 4 regional stations with the old VHF system, UHF does not defract downward as VHF does. Television may someday go to low power and cable only with the effectiveness of high power UHF digital air wave transmission being limited. Radar my go as all planes are equipped with transponders. It was proposed by someone, I forget who, that we make a circle of fire on the earth to signal Mars. Tessla tried to signal Mars with his coil, what a waist, we now know Mars is dead. Antigravity is coming someday, as all of the magnetic fields, including the gravitomagnetic, are not a conserved property of the universe. There is nothing fundamental stopping us just the know how. Maybe that will get us out there. Someone should do a story of this all with the 100 anniversary of the beeping transmitter and send it to IE. Frank Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals.
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Earth radio silent? By no means. There are literally thousands of narrow-beam threads of RF energy directed at space satellites which reach far beyond their intended listeners. And when we went to DTV, the amount of effective radiated power from broadcast stations exploded. We radiate more RF energy than we have ever in the past and will continue to do so for many generations to come. T
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At 10:18 AM 2/20/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Advanced civilizations may not use RF communications. Or the signal may be so compressed it looks like noise. However, they will recognize it when they detect it. If they use radio telescopes they will probably realize they have intercepted a signal from a civilization, and not a natural signal. Jef Poskanzer pointed out a few years ago that spread-spectrum encrypted radio traffic would be indistinguishable from white noise. This was when a broad-spectrum microwave stellar source was found, and there wasn't a physical explanation for it. (The astronomer didn't like his explanation).
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Jef Poskanzer pointed out a few years ago that spread-spectrum encrypted radio traffic would be indistinguishable from white noise. That's not entirely accurate. T
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I guess you missed the whole thing about Podkletnov. Its kind of died down right now but there may be things going on behind the seens with this. The thought of antigravity devices coming soon is tantalizing. Do you suspect that we are just one discovery short of achieving that goal? Or maybe it has already been observed within a laboratory somewhere but not confirmed, similar to our favorite subject LENR. I wonder if anyone has made observations that suggest strange anomalies in gravitational measurements that have remained unexplained thus far? Were is Mike Carrol? He would know if current signals at 100 years out are above the signal to noise ratio. Mike write a story on this for IE..Jed could edit and add. Frank Znidarsic
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-Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Jef Poskanzer pointed out a few years ago that spread-spectrum encrypted radio traffic would be indistinguishable from white noise. Isn't there always a preset packet size? That alone would provide regular gaps in the rate of transmission, it would seem.
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On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Alan J Fletcher Jef Poskanzer pointed out a few years ago that spread-spectrum encrypted radio traffic would be indistinguishable from white noise. Isn't there always a preset packet size? That alone would provide regular gaps in the rate of transmission, it would seem. Well, there *is* a limited bandwidth; so, SSC signals stand above the surrounding noise floor like Ayer's rock. Once you notice that there is a signal there, then you begin to analyze the noise and find out that it is not real noise. Thar be intelligence there! The CDMA cell phone signals I referenced previously are not unlike spread spectrum communications. T
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On 02/20/2012 10:32 PM, zer tte wrote: Well if they use some kind of quantum entanglement transmission, how could we eavesdrop on them ? So far our RF cone extends 100 light years behind us ( 0 Quite a catch for a random alien in our galaxy to be at the receiving end, anyway if by chance some random alien picked up our signal which would only last as long as he stays inside the cone, then he has to compute where to reply, he probably would send something like, Sorry we're busy right now, please call back later. So besides SETI attempts, what would be our best chance to detect ET life? At least, i think they should emit low amounts of infrared (You've got to stay warm in winter, right), some kind of heat signature, but to see something you must be inside their cone, what do you think ? I tend to think along these lines: http://xkcd.com/638/ Extraterrestrians can be all around us right now, and we just don't notice them. That's what I tend to think.
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It is not necessary to leave a gap in the transmission sequence. I once worked upon a system that continued non stop with a pseudo random BPSK signal. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 3:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens -Original Message- rom: Alan J Fletcher Jef Poskanzer pointed out a few years ago that spread-spectrum ncrypted radio traffic would be indistinguishable from white noise. Isn't there always a preset packet size? That alone would provide regular aps in the rate of transmission, it would seem.
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Uhh... they're currently up in space, as in numerous vehicle/craft, that are utilizing an altogether highly developed new form of sophisticated energy-field, that is tapped into all mass-matter/energy, and/or the earth's gravity magnetosphere. What we're essentially talking about is a capability that enables 'them' to interpret, anticipate, and/or operate not only every 'thing' , but all living creatures as well especially the neuro-activity or function of our brain. Again,,, your talking about an ability that not only operates matter w/ ungodly precision, from a very considerable distance in space, but as-well from 'within' our very soul (if you will),,, and so, I'd say it's about as easy as when you flip-on a switch on an appliance talk about a set-up! maybe kind'a like Ohms Resistance in electric current, only by speeding up or down all this 'stuff' on some super micro-subatomic level. Maybe this will help if you were looking up into the nightsky thru a telescope, in their direction, they would have already been fully aware of you, and either moved-out of your view, and/or play around with in such a way that you aren't quick enough to even actually realize it Case in point, some of these craft have a reflective surface on their outside skin, and/or a bulb-like dome on the underside,,, and so, a 'Flash' of light can be used in less-time it takes for you to wink, and distract or rediverting your attention I kid you not? So anyway, I suspect that some highly developed form of cold fusion is being used to power the system that is enabling 'them' to be up there, but I am not not an expert on this subject, but am well-versed in the abilities of 'those' powerfully capable highly advanced civilizations, that have to be at least 10 million years older, or somewhere between that, to multi-billions of years further along than us and/or we're so 'new' on the block, that we might (I fear) be referred to as still in our diapers wah!! Extraterrestrians can be all around us right now, and we just don't notice them. That's what I tend to think. /HTML
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I am trying to write in globs, because I know they're somewhat unreadable, but that just makes it that much more difficult to know what I'm talking about. And please, in the future, try not to use the word 'kill' ,,, its too harsh. I also have this dinosaur of a computer, plus, I'm mostly computer illiterate. I'll try to catch-on, so just give me a few million years to catch-up. Thanks I have to killfile this guy. I guess he is trying to write in html, but it comes across as a 65-line run-on sentence. I checked the vortex-l website to make sure it wasn't just my email reader and his posts there are the same unreadable globs of words as they are in my email reader. People should at least throw in a line of white space every 3 or 4 lines. /HTML
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On 02/21/2012 07:01 PM, lorenhe...@aol.com wrote: Uhh... they're currently up in space, as in numerous vehicle/craft, that are utilizing an altogether highly developed new form of sophisticated energy-field, that is tapped into all mass-matter/energy, and/or the earth's gravity magnetosphere. What we're essentially talking about is a capability that enables 'them' to interpret, anticipate, and/or operate not only every 'thing' , but all living creatures as well especially the neuro-activity or function of our brain. Again,,, your talking about an ability that not only operates matter w/ ungodly precision, from a very considerable distance in space, but as-well from 'within' our very soul (if you will),,, and so, I'd say it's about as easy as when you flip-on a switch on an appliance talk about a set-up! maybe kind'a like Ohms Resistance in electric current, only by speeding up or down all this 'stuff' on some super micro-subatomic level. Maybe this will help if you were looking up into the nightsky thru a telescope, in their direction, they would have already been fully aware of you, and either moved-out of your view, and/or play around with in such a way that you aren't quick enough to even actually realize it Case in point, some of these craft have a reflective surface on their outside skin, and/or a bulb-like dome on the underside,,, and so, a 'Flash' of light can be used in less-time it takes for you to wink, and distract or rediverting your attention I kid you not? So anyway, I suspect that some highly developed form of cold fusion is being used to power the system that is enabling 'them' to be up there, but I am not not an expert on this subject, but am well-versed in the abilities of 'those' powerfully capable highly advanced civilizations, that have to be at least 10 million years older, or somewhere between that, to multi-billions of years further along than us and/or we're so 'new' on the block, that we might (I fear) be referred to as still in our diapers wah!! Something like that, yes, but without all the crafts and stuff. And without the childish and exaggerated tone, too. Paragraphs. The 'globs' are usually called paragraphs. Look it up. Extraterrestrians can be all around us right now, and we just don't notice them. That's what I tend to think. /HTML
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I think that Radio signals are irrelevant, because alien civilisations did detect us back in 6000 years ago when we started agriculture and destroyed forests to the crops in larger scale due to urbanisation. Perhaps cities are directly visible from space? Thus Alien's do not need radio frequencies for spotting a civilisations, but they can do it with normal optical wave lengths. We could already spot ourself nearby civilisations directly if we had build permanent colony to the moon 30 years ago as was planed. When industrial revolution happened, also the chemical composition of atmosphere started to change into artificial, so this signature would also be easy to detect some 200 lightyears away from here, even for primitive Earth like civilisations, who has better sense for investing science and space exploration. I think that we could differentiate continent sized details, and of course we could detect traces of artificial chemical components from atmosphere. ―Jouni Sent from my iPad On 21 Feb 2012, at 17:55, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Radio transmissions might be an ancient form of communications to an advanced civilization. It could be like us talking to each other with smoke signals. At this point it can only be speculation as to what future technology will be invented. Before radio, all we had was wire lines. Who predicted modern digital communications over vast distances 100 years ago? I am not more capable of this than the next guy but I leave the probability open for future advances since I have seen many during my lifetime. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 10:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens I don't know, but the first beeping signals have now reached 12,500 stars. The fact of the matter is any civilizations out there able to receive our signal should have been transmitting at least 100 years ago and we should already have detected them. It appears that we are unique. Many are predicting we will not be around to receive any answer. http://www.physorg.com/news196489543.html Frank Znidarsic So besides SETI attempts, what would be our best chance to detect ET life? At least, i think they should emit low amounts of infrared (You've got to stay warm in winter, right), some kind of heat signature, but to see something you must be inside their cone, what do you think ? Dont know.
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2012/2/21 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com: I think that Radio signals are irrelevant, because alien civilisations did detect us back in 6000 years ago when we started agriculture and destroyed forests to the crops in larger scale due to urbanisation. I think what they detected that really concerned them was Trinity. They showed up en masse shortly thereafter. Then the crash in Roswell, NM (Demi Moore's birthplace) and the subsequent creation of the CIA. Or not. T
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We would like to to find the signature of oxygen in other plants. There was even some efforts given on how to do it. I read of some kind of orbiting interferometer that could do some if it but was canceled. Frank -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens 2012/2/21 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com: I think that Radio signals are irrelevant, because alien civilisations did detect us back in 6000 years ago when we started agriculture and destroyed forests to the crops in larger scale due to urbanisation. I think what they detected that really concerned them was Trinity. They showed up en masse shortly thereafter. Then the crash in Roswell, NM (Demi Moore's birthplace) and the subsequent creation of the CIA. Or not. T
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On 02/20/2012 11:51 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: One hundred years ago in 1912 a new type of 5 KW wireless was introduced. It had a spinning wheel with arcing contacts that broke the sparking RF circuit up into audio pulses. It modulated the AM band radio frequency signal. The system transmitted a beep beep beep instead of a crackle crackle crackle. It was easy to hear and the sound of the signal was much different from other natural sources of RF static. Those signals are out there just now at 100 light years in 2012. Will we soon be getting a reply? Frank Znidarsic No, we will not. But if we will, here's hoping that reply will not be in all caps, as we will have a hard time convincing people that these aliens really exist. Andre
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EARTHLINGS: I'VE BEEN GETTING ALL KINDS OF BEEPING, STATIC ASKING IF I REALLY EXIST! THIS IS FOOLERY. ASK ANY REAL SCIENTIST IN THE GALAXY (NOT THOSE SNAKE-HEADED-ASTRONOMERS OF EARTH). THERE IS NO QUESTION BUT WE EXIST. I NO LONGER REPLY TO SILLY BEEPS. REGARDS, ZAPHOD. Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:37:06 -0400 From: andre_vor...@blums.nl To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens On 02/20/2012 11:51 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: One hundred years ago in 1912 a new type of 5 KW wireless was introduced. It had a spinning wheel with arcing contacts that broke the sparking RF circuit up into audio pulses. It modulated the AM band radio frequency signal. The system transmitted a beep beep beep instead of a crackle crackle crackle. It was easy to hear and the sound of the signal was much different from other natural sources of RF static. Those signals are out there just now at 100 light years in 2012. Will we soon be getting a reply? Frank Znidarsic No, we will not. But if we will, here's hoping that reply will not be in all caps, as we will have a hard time convincing people that these aliens really exist. Andre
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My suspicion is that our use of radio for communication would be considered extremely ancient to any civilizations that may be monitoring us. The changes in carrier modulation that have occurred just within the last 50 years has been astounding. Any relatively nearby civilization(100 light years) would most likely be millions of years removed from us in technology. I can not even begin to speculate as to where our world will find itself in that amount of time if we are still around to ponder things. So, are there other means of communications that exist of which we are unaware? How well do we in fact understand the physical world? It was not that long ago when the laser was inventedsuch a simple in principle device that could have been discovered over 100 years earlier. Now we are watching expectantly as LENR devices are about to become accepted within the physics community so reluctantly. On many occasions I give consideration to the questions that most haunt me: How many wonderful discoveries are there waiting for us to uncover? How can I help to bring these into fruition? Only time will reveal what lies just beyond our reach, but I think the journey along the path toward the future will be exciting. Dave -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens One hundred years ago in 1912 a new type of 5 KW wireless was introduced. It had a spinning wheel with arcing contacts that broke the sparking RF circuit up into audio pulses. It modulated the AM band radio frequency signal. The system transmitted a beep beep beep instead of a crackle crackle crackle. It was easy to hear and the sound of the signal was much different from other natural sources of RF static. Those signals are out there just now at 100 light years in 2012. Will we soon be getting a reply? Frank Znidarsic
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Advanced civilizations may not use RF communications. Or the signal may be so compressed it looks like noise. However, they will recognize it when they detect it. If they use radio telescopes they will probably realize they have intercepted a signal from a civilization, and not a natural signal. - Jed
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This is an interesting discussion that mirrors my thinking as well. I would expect that a civilization millions of years ahead of ours would have figured a way to construct biological appendages as needed for the tasks at hand. Our somewhat limited understanding of the biological processes is advancing at a rapid rate and one day it will be standard procedure to regrow any injured organs as required. On the other hand, it might be more convenient to develop mechanical components to assist our future selves since the power to weight ratio can be much higher than evolution has generated thus far. Let's just hope that it is not typical for an advanced civilization to end itself with super weapons once it reaches a certain point in its development! Dave -Original Message- From: LORENHEYER lorenhe...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens It is very highly likely that advanced civilizations have times long-past bsoleted the mode of technology and/or means of transmitting receiving nformation. More than likely there are countless signals from civilizations ike ours traveling thru space right now, and we don't even know it take t from there as to what we're percieving it as. Maybe, just white noise r background radiation who know's. One thing for sure I'd say, is hat what we think refard as ET or Aliens, are the end product of at countless illions og years of technologuical progression.. afterall our common ncestor is Chimp because it's been extablished that our DNA is about 98% the am, and so what would someone a million, 10 million, 100 million and/or even ulti- billions of years look like. Just what would have transpired over hat amount of time and made everything we regard as typical or normal, as rchaic as the stone-aged caveman, and/or, as extinct as a Dinosaur . Maybe o someone who is so capable and long since developed the technology that is nabling them to BE IN Space, as opposed to being down here among us umanosaurs, would simply say to us (if they actually used sound or a verbal anguage 'perse) See you later Alligator!,,, After while rocodile... r because they are operating in a whole complete highly sophisticated apacity its Mind over matter my dear watson.Why, not only would we ot even believe it, we wouldn't even likely suspect what it meant Now, I ase all this on what I have seen with my own two eyes over the years, and herefore am 100 % absolutely convinced that so-called modern man is indeed o far-back in time that IT is what is unbelievable. To me, UFO no longer tands for Unidentified Flying Object, because I 'know' and therefore refer o it as an IFO, which of course stands for Infallible Foremost Obscurity. /HTML
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Lets just hope that they do not file a complaint with the UCC(Universal Communications Commission) demanding an end to our interference. Dave -Original Message- From: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com To: Vortex Listserve vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:07 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens EARTHLINGS: I'VE BEEN GETTING ALL KINDS OF BEEPING, STATIC ASKING IF I REALLY EXIST! THIS IS FOOLERY. ASK ANY REAL SCIENTIST IN THE GALAXY (NOT THOSE SNAKE-HEADED-ASTRONOMERS OF EARTH). THERE IS NO QUESTION BUT WE EXIST. I NO LONGER REPLY TO SILLY BEEPS. REGARDS, ZAPHOD. Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:37:06 -0400 From: andre_vor...@blums.nl To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens On 02/20/2012 11:51 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: One hundred years ago in 1912 a new type of 5 KW wireless was introduced. It had a spinning wheel with arcing contacts that broke the sparking RF circuit up into audio pulses. It modulated the AM band radio frequency signal. The system transmitted a beep beep beep instead of a crackle crackle crackle. It was easy to hear and the sound of the signal was much different from other natural sources of RF static. Those signals are out there just now at 100 light years in 2012. Will we soon be getting a reply? Frank Znidarsic No, we will not. But if we will, here's hoping that reply will not be in all caps, as we will have a hard time convincing people that these aliens really exist. Andre
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Advanced civilizations may not use RF communications. Or the signal may be so compressed it looks like noise. Our cell phones already do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_division_multiple_access T
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This is a bit off topic to the thread (ok, way off), but speaking of advanced civilizations on earth which we did not know about till very recently, this one is a full 6000 years ahead of what we thought was the first advanced ones (i.e. the Fertile Crescent or Egypt). Look at the detail in the carvings. I am blown away by this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe If they should find a copper tool or so-called Baghdad battery in the relics, it will be only slightly more astonishing than the obvious one. How could we have missed 6000 years of history which is lost between this, and what follows, which is possibly less advanced? From: David Roberson This is an interesting discussion that mirrors my thinking as well. I would expect that a civilization millions of years ahead of ours would have figured a way to construct biological appendages as needed for the tasks at hand. Our somewhat limited understanding of the biological processes is advancing at a rapid rate and one day it will be standard procedure to regrow any injured organs as required. On the other hand, it might be more convenient to develop mechanical components to assist our future selves since the power to weight ratio can be much higher than evolution has generated thus far. Let's just hope that it is not typical for an advanced civilization to end itself with super weapons once it reaches a certain point in its development! Dave -Original Message- From: LORENHEYER It is very highly likely that advanced civilizations have times long-past obsoleted the mode of technology and/or means of transmitting receiving information. More than likely there are countless signals from civilizations like ours traveling thru space right now, and we don't even know it take it from there as to what we're percieving it as. Maybe, just white noise or background radiation who know's. One thing for sure I'd say, is that what we think refard as ET or Aliens, are the end product of at countless millions og years of technologuical progression.. afterall our common ancestor is Chimp because it's been extablished that our DNA is about 98% the sam, and so what would someone a million, 10 million, 100 million and/or even multi- billions of years look like. Just what would have transpired over that amount of time and made everything we regard as typical or normal, as archaic as the stone-aged caveman, and/or, as extinct as a Dinosaur . Maybe to someone who is so capable and long since developed the technology that is enabling them to BE IN Space, as opposed to being down here among us humanosaurs, would simply say to us (if they actually used sound or a verbal language 'perse) See you later Alligator!,,, After while Crocodile... or because they are operating in a whole complete highly sophisticated capacity its Mind over matter my dear watson.Why, not only would we not even believe it, we wouldn't even likely suspect what it meant Now, I base all this on what I have seen with my own two eyes over the years, and therefore am 100 % absolutely convinced that so-called modern man is indeed so far-back in time that IT is what is unbelievable. To me, UFO no longer stands for Unidentified Flying Object, because I 'know' and therefore refer to it as an IFO, which of course stands for Infallible Foremost Obscurity. /HTML attachment: winmail.dat
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Let's just hope that it is not typical for an advanced civilization to end itself with super weapons once it reaches a certain point in its development! Dave Thank you Dave, I've been thinking about this in the present contest. The West controls the world, we have Jaydams, F22's, drones, info tech war, we will win and it will be over fast with little fan fair. The US reigns supreme. back up 100 years...beep beep beep We have dreadnoughts, steam trains, cannons, biplanes, zeppelins and, or course, the Maximum machine gun. War will be quick and fast in our (the UK in this case) favor. What happened? It was very bad for the next 1/2 century and I hope it does not repeat again with Iran as a the flash point. I personally love the Chinese people and would never want to fight with them. I hope they side with us. Least we forget. I know this off topic but nothing much is happening with Rossi right now. Frank Z -Original Message- From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens This is an interesting discussion that mirrors my thinking as well. I would expect that a civilization millions of years ahead of ours would have figured a way to construct biological appendages as needed for the tasks at hand. Our somewhat limited understanding of the biological processes is advancing at a rapid rate and one day it will be standard procedure to regrow any injured organs as required. On the other hand, it might be more convenient to develop mechanical components to assist our future selves since the power to weight ratio can be much higher than evolution has generated thus far. Let's just hope that it is not typical for an advanced civilization to end itself with super weapons once it reaches a certain point in its development! Dave -Original Message- From: LORENHEYER lorenhe...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:100 years 1912 beep beep beep and aliens It is very highly likely that advanced civilizations have times long-past obsoleted the mode of technology and/or means of transmitting receiving information. More than likely there are countless signals from civilizations like ours traveling thru space right now, and we don't even know it take it from there as to what we're percieving it as. Maybe, just white noise or background radiation who know's. One thing for sure I'd say, is that what we think refard as ET or Aliens, are the end product of at countless millions og years of technologuical progression.. afterall our common ancestor is Chimp because it's been extablished that our DNA is about 98% the sam, and so what would someone a million, 10 million, 100 million and/or even multi- billions of years look like. Just what would have transpired over that amount of time and made everything we regard as typical or normal, as archaic as the stone-aged caveman, and/or, as extinct as a Dinosaur . Maybe to someone who is so capable and long since developed the technology that is enabling them to BE IN Space, as opposed to being down here among us humanosaurs, would simply say to us (if they actually used sound or a verbal language 'perse) See you later Alligator!,,, After while Crocodile... or because they are operating in a whole complete highly sophisticated capacity its Mind over matter my dear watson.Why, not only would we not even believe it, we wouldn't even likely suspect what it meant Now, I base all this on what I have seen with my own two eyes over the years, and therefore am 100 % absolutely convinced that so-called modern man is indeed so far-back in time that IT is what is unbelievable. To me, UFO no longer stands for Unidentified Flying Object, because I 'know' and therefore refer to it as an IFO, which of course stands for Infallible Foremost Obscurity. /HTML
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This is a bit off topic to the thread (ok, way off), but speaking of advanced civilizations on earth which we did not know about till very recently, this one is a full 6000 years ahead of what we thought was the first advanced ones (i.e. the Fertile Crescent or Egypt). Look at the detail in the carvings. I am blown away by this ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe Graham Hancock notes the water erosion on the body of the sphinx as evidence it was carved 12,000 years ago when the area was wet. T
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Jones sez: This is a bit off topic to the thread (ok, way off)... ... and as you well know that has never stopped the Vort Collective from engaging in a good debate! ;-) The following might be of interest to some here: Michael Cremo Forbidden Archeology http://www.mcremo.com/ http://www.mcremo.com/YASBLT_forbiddenarchaeology.pdf Some of the artifacts that have allegedly been uncovering are astonishing. I can't say that I believe in all of this stuff, but what is discussed is fascinating never the less. IMO it deserves further scrutiny. Unfortunately, that is not likely because it would be politically incorrect to do so. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Here's some additional photos to wet the imagination! http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ Excerpt: A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years old. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Orionworks sez: Here's some additional photos to wet the imagination! http://www.forbiddenarcheology.com/ Excerpt: A metallic sphere from South Africa with three parallel grooves around its equator (photo courtesy of Roelf Marx). The sphere was found in a Precambrian mineral deposit, said to be 2.8 billion years old. Here's Wikipedia's entry on the spheres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere Actually, it seems well written, and does a good job of debunking a number of prior claims, misrepresentations, and misinterpretations. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 3:35 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Here's Wikipedia's entry on the spheres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere OOPAs! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact from Oompa Loompa! T
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Terry sez: Here's Wikipedia's entry on the spheres: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_sphere OOPAs! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact from Oompa Loompa! Oompartifacts ... or perhaps Loompartifacts. Actually, the latter sounds like the name of an Italian restaurant I use to go to. Great kitchen cacciatore. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Here is the story of the first modulated radio signals 100 years ago. http://marconigraph.com/titanic/wireless/mgy_wireless.html Before that the emission spectrum of the spark transmitter what that of lightning and was dwarfed at interstellar distances by natural sources. After the introduction of the rotating wheel with to interrupt the spark there was a unnatural beep beep beep that was different. Twenty years later these things put out a megawatt. If there wave ever to be a man made ball of lighting it should have came out of one of these fiery pin wheels. Speaking of the time my neighbor gave me a set of encyclopedias when I was in the 5th grade from 1912. It had a picture representing New York sky harbor by 1950. There were wooden sailing ships held up by balloons and a restaurant held up by balloons saying Eat at Joe's. I believe I saw this picture again in Infinite Energy. It had a warfare of the future picture. Men carrying rifles were held up by flapping wing packs. There was a sphere held up by a balloon with a cannon. It had a story about the zeppelin stating that I could carry heavy guns and knock out any heaver that air craft before it came into the range of its small guns. And of course there was the steam locomotive going a a mile a minute. Who could believe that? There were safety stories about the automatic application of the breaks with a trip bar tied to the block system,,what a marvel...no more wrecks..maybe not!! The Titanic and the Olympic were in dry dock as the pride of the British empire. The Titanic sunk after publication 100 years ago this April. So did a third of the series the Britannic. It had stores of the wondrous wireless. These stories were shrouded in the mystery keep by the Marconi company. Sort of like Rossi today. My mother through out the books when I was in school in the 8th grade. I have never been able to find another copy. As I read of Jed and his predictions I wonder will his be bettor or worse. They had the right idea in 1912 but the wrong implementation. No one had a clue of the coming internet until it happened. Some see only tragedy. I see anti-gravity and cold fusion. Frank Znidarsic
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Well if they use some kind of quantum entanglement transmission, how could we eavesdrop on them ? So far our RF cone extends 100 light years behind us ( 0 Quite a catch for a random alien in our galaxy to be at the receiving end, anyway if by chance some random alien picked up our signal which would only last as long as he stays inside the cone, then he has to compute where to reply, he probably would send something like, Sorry we're busy right now, please call back later. So besides SETI attempts, what would be our best chance to detect ET life? At least, i think they should emit low amounts of infrared (You've got to stay warm in winter, right), some kind of heat signature, but to see something you must be inside their cone, what do you think ?
