Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 22:33:41 -0800: Hi Russ, [snip] >This explanation does not apply to the moving particles that are clearly >involved which though mostly remaining and reacting within the solid state >matrix are also found as strange particle emissions. The energy of the fusion reaction might be carried away by either a fast electron, a fast proton or a fast Hydrino. All three of these would be penetrating particles. Also, if a whole Hydrino molecule fuses with a target nucleus, then the energy release can be as much as 10-20 MeV, easily enough to produce a free neutron in some cases. Or if the Hydrino is a Deuterino, then the proton may be retained by the target nucleus, and the neutron expelled with the energy of the reaction. Also, a fast Hydrino might have a similar capture cross section to a neutron. In short, there are lots of possibilities. Also, you didn't answer the lower or higher question below. >A hydrino doesnt bear the characteristics of a penetrating particle which >clearly said particles are, I dont see hydrinos being both not captured and >captured when passing through various materials and especially I dont see >hydrinos behaving with such materials in accordance with neutron capture cross >sections! > > > >From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:19 PM >To: vortex-l >Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear >spallation and resonance > > > >Gamma mitigation might lie in how nuclear reactions occur inside a Bose >condinsate. > > > >On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:11 PM, <mix...@bigpond.com ><mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> > wrote: > >In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:50:44 -0800: >Hi Russ, >[snip] >>Mischugenons however unlike 'hydrinos' do produce irrefutable isotopic >>shifts in recipient nuclei, > >During Hydrino fusion, two things can happen:- > >1) A proton fuses with the target nucleus, resulting in a change of element. > >or > >2) A proton & an electron fuse concurrently with the target nucleus resulting >in >an isotope shift in the original element, since essentially they combine to >create a new neutron. This is enhanced electron capture. Enhanced, because the >electron is severely shrunken, making it much easier to capture than a normal >atomic electron. > >>though the quantity of shifted isotopes is much >>lower > >lower or higher? > > >>than the apparent mischugenon flux as measured/inferred by the >>resulting weak emissions! Perhaps a 'third' miracle is needed, oh shit, will >>it ever all be revealed. >> >>-Original Message- >>From: mix...@bigpond.com <mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> >>[mailto:mix...@bigpond.com <mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> ] >>Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:36 PM >>To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear >>spallation and resonance >> >>In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: >>Hi Russ, >>[snip] >>>Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing >>>reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka >>>reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the >>>lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps >>>invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said >>>resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like >>>normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to >>>their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak >>>emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable >>>though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of >>>metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with that >>:) That's a neat experiment and result! >>>http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ >> >>Are you the "I" in this tale? >> >>As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as >>small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less >>easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction >>rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be >>carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the initial >>particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular might >>account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of >>magnitude). >> >>Regards, >> >>Robin van Spaandonk >> >>http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html >> >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
This explanation does not apply to the ‘moving particles’ that are clearly involved which though mostly remaining and reacting within the solid state matrix are also found as strange ‘particle emissions.’ A hydrino doesn’t bear the characteristics of a penetrating particle which clearly said particles are, I don’t see hydrinos being both not captured and captured when passing through various materials and especially I don’t see hydrinos behaving with such materials in accordance with neutron capture cross sections! From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:19 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance Gamma mitigation might lie in how nuclear reactions occur inside a Bose condinsate. On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:11 PM, <mix...@bigpond.com <mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> > wrote: In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:50:44 -0800: Hi Russ, [snip] >Mischugenons however unlike 'hydrinos' do produce irrefutable isotopic >shifts in recipient nuclei, During Hydrino fusion, two things can happen:- 1) A proton fuses with the target nucleus, resulting in a change of element. or 2) A proton & an electron fuse concurrently with the target nucleus resulting in an isotope shift in the original element, since essentially they combine to create a new neutron. This is enhanced electron capture. Enhanced, because the electron is severely shrunken, making it much easier to capture than a normal atomic electron. >though the quantity of shifted isotopes is much >lower lower or higher? >than the apparent mischugenon flux as measured/inferred by the >resulting weak emissions! Perhaps a 'third' miracle is needed, oh shit, will >it ever all be revealed. > >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com <mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> >[mailto:mix...@bigpond.com <mailto:mix...@bigpond.com> ] >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:36 PM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> >Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear >spallation and resonance > >In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: >Hi Russ, >[snip] >>Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing >>reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka >>reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the >>lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps >>invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said >>resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like >>normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to >>their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak >>emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable >>though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of >>metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with that >:) That's a neat experiment and result! >>http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ > >Are you the "I" in this tale? > >As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as >small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less >easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction >rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be >carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the initial >particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular might >account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of >magnitude). > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
Gamma mitigation might lie in how nuclear reactions occur inside a Bose condinsate. On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:11 PM, <mix...@bigpond.com> wrote: > In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:50:44 -0800: > Hi Russ, > [snip] > >Mischugenons however unlike 'hydrinos' do produce irrefutable isotopic > >shifts in recipient nuclei, > > During Hydrino fusion, two things can happen:- > > 1) A proton fuses with the target nucleus, resulting in a change of > element. > > or > > 2) A proton & an electron fuse concurrently with the target nucleus > resulting in > an isotope shift in the original element, since essentially they combine to > create a new neutron. This is enhanced electron capture. Enhanced, because > the > electron is severely shrunken, making it much easier to capture than a > normal > atomic electron. > > >though the quantity of shifted isotopes is much > >lower > > lower or higher? > > >than the apparent mischugenon flux as measured/inferred by the > >resulting weak emissions! Perhaps a 'third' miracle is needed, oh shit, > will > >it ever all be revealed. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:36 PM > >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > >Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - > nuclear > >spallation and resonance > > > >In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: > >Hi Russ, > >[snip] > >>Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing > >>reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka > >>reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the > >>lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps > >>invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said > >>resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like > >>normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to > >>their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak > >>emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable > >>though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of > >>metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with > that > >:) That's a neat experiment and result! > >>http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ > > > >Are you the "I" in this tale? > > > >As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as > >small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less > >easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction > >rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be > >carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the > initial > >particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular > might > >account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of > >magnitude). > > > >Regards, > > > >Robin van Spaandonk > > > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 18:50:44 -0800: Hi Russ, [snip] >Mischugenons however unlike 'hydrinos' do produce irrefutable isotopic >shifts in recipient nuclei, During Hydrino fusion, two things can happen:- 1) A proton fuses with the target nucleus, resulting in a change of element. or 2) A proton & an electron fuse concurrently with the target nucleus resulting in an isotope shift in the original element, since essentially they combine to create a new neutron. This is enhanced electron capture. Enhanced, because the electron is severely shrunken, making it much easier to capture than a normal atomic electron. >though the quantity of shifted isotopes is much >lower lower or higher? >than the apparent mischugenon flux as measured/inferred by the >resulting weak emissions! Perhaps a 'third' miracle is needed, oh shit, will >it ever all be revealed. > >-Original Message- >From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] >Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:36 PM >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear >spallation and resonance > >In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: >Hi Russ, >[snip] >>Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing >>reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka >>reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the >>lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps >>invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said >>resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like >>normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to >>their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak >>emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable >>though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of >>metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with that >:) That's a neat experiment and result! >>http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ > >Are you the "I" in this tale? > >As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as >small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less >easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction >rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be >carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the initial >particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular might >account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of >magnitude). > >Regards, > >Robin van Spaandonk > >http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
Mischugenons however unlike 'hydrinos' do produce irrefutable isotopic shifts in recipient nuclei, though the quantity of shifted isotopes is much lower than the apparent mischugenon flux as measured/inferred by the resulting weak emissions! Perhaps a 'third' miracle is needed, oh shit, will it ever all be revealed. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: Hi Russ, [snip] >Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing >reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka >reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the >lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps >invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said >resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like >normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to >their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak >emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable >though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of >metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with that :) That's a neat experiment and result! >http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ Are you the "I" in this tale? As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the initial particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular might account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of magnitude). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 17:53:41 -0800: Hi Russ, [snip] >Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing >reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka >reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the lack >of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps invoking >quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said resonant conditioned >mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like normal neutrons and be >captured preferentially by nuclei according to their neutron capture >cross-section resulting in only rather weak emissions. Such beasties would >be revealed by the pattern of measurable though weak emissions increasing as >they passed through thin foils of metals with increasing neutron capture >cross sections, I can live with that :) That's a neat experiment and result! >http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ Are you the "I" in this tale? As for "mischugenons" they sound a lot like well shrunken Hydrinos. Not as small as neutrons, so they penetrate the electron shells of atoms less easily, and need to tunnel into the target nucleus, reducing the reaction rate. When they merge with a target nucleus, the resultant energy can be carried by the accompanying electron, or by the other proton if the initial particle was a Hydrino molecule. The latter possibility in particular might account for a considerable reduction in emitted gammas (by many orders of magnitude). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
Agreed that is the second miracle required! But is there any standing reported evidence for strange mishugenonistic neutron resonance, aka reflected neutrons, that subsequently behave in a manner effecting the lack of 'energetic gamma'-less absorbing of neutrons save perhaps invoking quasi-dark matter-like behavior, nah... ;) Perhaps said resonant conditioned mischugenon/neutrons would behave somewhat like normal neutrons and be captured preferentially by nuclei according to their neutron capture cross-section resulting in only rather weak emissions. Such beasties would be revealed by the pattern of measurable though weak emissions increasing as they passed through thin foils of metals with increasing neutron capture cross sections, I can live with that :) That's a neat experiment and result! http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2013/05/04/edward-teller/ l Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:50:11 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Indeed where is the neutron activation, lots of nuclei in the >neighborhood yet neither activation nor knock on's is very odd. One >miracle to a customer, getting neutrons out of nuclei is the 'one miracle'. The second is absorbing neutrons without creating any gammas. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren - nuclear spallation and resonance
In reply to Russ George's message of Wed, 18 Jan 2017 07:50:11 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Indeed where is the neutron activation, lots of nuclei in the neighborhood >yet neither activation nor knock on's is very odd. One miracle to a >customer, getting neutrons out of nuclei is the 'one miracle'. The second is absorbing neutrons without creating any gammas. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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As for scientific theory and theoreticians Mark Twain said it best, "There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such trifling investment of fact." From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear spallation and resonance Hello George, I am sure you are a more experienced guy in regards to LENR than I am. Probably a better sailor. If it only comes down to years I am rather close or just a tack ahead (67 years). I am not drawing any conclusions, I just try to evaluate the circumstances. Not always do you need to find a . port, sometimes staying at sea is more advantageous. I do think positive about indications and fair winds is better than no wind. Taking advantage of the wind is the crux. Unfortunately the predictions are very diverse. Now one can decide to be optimistic and I hope my optimistic conclusion is correct but if it is no wind than I just need to wait. Of course if it is a storm I have to ride t out. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. We’ve been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. We don’t need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather the storm and lumber on. How Long Have You Been a Sailor ? All my bloomin' life. Me mother was a mermaid. Me father was King Neptune. I was born on the crest of a wave And rocked in the cradle of the deep. Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes, Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike, The hair on me head is hemp, Every bone in me body's a spar, And when I spits, I spits tar. I'se hard, I is, I am, I are. --- an Old Answer to an Old Question From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> ] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear spallation and resonance Hello Mats, I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ but at least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe it was not such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for critic. This also enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from scientists with a lot too lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been indicated here. I cannot wait for the next report from Rossi and hopefully a up to date experimental report from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are slowly progressing towaa realization of lenr, keeping essential business secrets until the last minute before market.)Looks good. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> +1 916 436 1899 <tel:(916)%20436-1899> Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan <m...@matslewan.se <mailto:m...@matslewan.se> > wrote: The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog post: https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/ is now public here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP <https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP=3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP> =3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com <http://www.animpossibleinvention.com>
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I talked briefly with Lundin today. He explained that he and Lidgren are not going ahead together for various reasons at the moment. However, he’s convinced that the most likely explanation for excess heat is transmutation rather than fusion, and that transmutation involves spallation and capture of neutrons. The combination of these two, in a way that releases net energy, would be what is new with the model described in the patent. He also said that he doesn’t really follow the field and what others have done, but he will continue on his own for some time ahead with more ideas on how to make the spallation-capture process work effectively. Clear experimental results within a not too distant future would be necessary for him to apply for research funding, and I had the impression that he hadn’t really achieved satisfactory results so far. Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com <http://www.animpossibleinvention.com/> > On 18 Jan 2017, at 18:51, Lennart Thornros <lenn...@thornros.com> wrote: > > Hello George, > I am sure you are a more experienced guy in regards to LENR than I am. > Probably a better sailor. If it only comes down to years I am rather close or > just a tack ahead (67 years). > I am not drawing any conclusions, I just try to evaluate the circumstances. > Not always do you need to find a . port, sometimes staying at sea is more > advantageous. > I do think positive about indications and fair winds is better than no wind. > Taking advantage of the wind is the crux. Unfortunately the predictions are > very diverse. Now one can decide to be optimistic and I hope my optimistic > conclusion is correct but if it is no wind than I just need to wait. Of > course if it is a storm I have to ride t out. > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > > lenn...@thornros.com > +1 916 436 1899 > > Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and > enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com > <mailto:russ.geo...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. > We’ve been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. > We don’t need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather the > storm and lumber on. > > <> > How Long Have You Been a Sailor ? > > > > All my bloomin' life. > > Me mother was a mermaid. > > Me father was King Neptune. > > I was born on the crest of a wave > > And rocked in the cradle of the deep. > > Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes, > > Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike, > > The hair on me head is hemp, > > Every bone in me body's a spar, > > And when I spits, I spits tar. > > I'se hard, I is, I am, I are. > > > > --- an Old Answer to an Old Question > > > > From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com > <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear > spallation and resonance > > > > Hello Mats, > > I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ but > at least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe it was > not such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for critic. This > also enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from scientists with a lot > too lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been indicated here. I cannot > wait for the next report from Rossi and hopefully a up to date experimental > report from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are slowly progressing towaa > realization of lenr, keeping essential business secrets until the last > minute before market.)Looks good. > > > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > > > > > lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> > +1 916 436 1899 <tel:(916)%20436-1899> > > > Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and > enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan <m...@matslewan.se > <mailto:m...@matslewan.se>> wrote: > > The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog > post: > > https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/ > > <https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/> > > > is now public here: > > https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP=3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP > > <https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP=3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP> > > > Mats > > www.animpossibleinvention.com <http://www.animpossibleinvention.com/> > > > > > > > > >
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Hello George, I am sure you are a more experienced guy in regards to LENR than I am. Probably a better sailor. If it only comes down to years I am rather close or just a tack ahead (67 years). I am not drawing any conclusions, I just try to evaluate the circumstances. Not always do you need to find a . port, sometimes staying at sea is more advantageous. I do think positive about indications and fair winds is better than no wind. Taking advantage of the wind is the crux. Unfortunately the predictions are very diverse. Now one can decide to be optimistic and I hope my optimistic conclusion is correct but if it is no wind than I just need to wait. Of course if it is a storm I have to ride t out. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:42 PM, Russ George <russ.geo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. > We’ve been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. > We don’t need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather > the storm and lumber on. > > > > How Long Have You Been a Sailor ? > > > > All my bloomin' life. > > Me mother was a mermaid. > > Me father was King Neptune. > > I was born on the crest of a wave > > And rocked in the cradle of the deep. > > Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes, > > Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike, > > The hair on me head is hemp, > > Every bone in me body's a spar, > > And when I spits, I spits tar. > > I'se hard, I is, I am, I are. > > > > --- an Old Answer to an Old Question > > > > *From:* Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Subject:* [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear > spallation and resonance > > > > Hello Mats, > > I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ > but at least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe > it was not such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for > critic. This also enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from > scientists with a lot too lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been > indicated here. I cannot wait for the next report from Rossi and hopefully > a up to date experimental report from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are > slowly progressing towaa realization of lenr, keeping essential business > secrets until the last minute before market.)Looks good. > > > Best Regards , > Lennart Thornros > > > > > > lenn...@thornros.com > +1 916 436 1899 <(916)%20436-1899> > > > > Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and > enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan <m...@matslewan.se> wrote: > > The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog > post: > > https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish- > scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/ > > > > is now public here: > > https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP= > 3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP > > > > Mats > > www.animpossibleinvention.com > > > > > > > > >
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Lennart, the old adage ‘any old port in a storm’ is simply not practical. We’ve been weathering the storm against cold fusion for nigh unto 30 years. We don’t need any old port/theory, some of us have chosen to just weather the storm and lumber on. How Long Have You Been a Sailor ? All my bloomin' life. Me mother was a mermaid. Me father was King Neptune. I was born on the crest of a wave And rocked in the cradle of the deep. Seaweed and barnacles are me clothes, Every tooth in me head is a marlinspike, The hair on me head is hemp, Every bone in me body's a spar, And when I spits, I spits tar. I'se hard, I is, I am, I are. --- an Old Answer to an Old Question From: Lennart Thornros [mailto:lenn...@thornros.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 8:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Patent application by Lundin & Lidgren – nuclear spallation and resonance Hello Mats, I think this is interesting. I understand the critic from Jones and Russ but at least it is a theory and it is based on the result of Lugano. Maybe it was not such a flawed demo just made so it has too many openings for critic. This also enhances the profile of Rossi. He has support from scientists with a lot too lose (prestige) if Rossi is a scam as has been indicated here. I cannot wait for the next report from Rossi and hopefully a up to date experimental report from Lundin / Lidgren. Sounds to me we are slowly progressing towaa realization of lenr, keeping essential business secrets until the last minute before market.)Looks good. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com <mailto:lenn...@thornros.com> +1 916 436 1899 Whatever you vividly imagine, ardently desire, sincerely believe and enthusiastically act upon, must inevitably come to pass. (PJM) On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Mats Lewan <m...@matslewan.se <mailto:m...@matslewan.se> > wrote: The LENR patent application by Lundin and Lidgren referenced in this blog post: https://animpossibleinvention.com/2015/10/15/swedish-scientists-claim-lenr-explanation-break-through/ is now public here: https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP <https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=EP=3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP> =3086323A1=A1=D==20161026==en_EP Mats www.animpossibleinvention.com <http://www.animpossibleinvention.com>
