Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Axil Axil]

What any campaigned hardened Horse Soldiers will tell you: *You can lead* a
*horse* to *water*, *but you can't make him drink.*


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 5:23 PM, James Bowery  wrote:

> Which just proves that David Roberson and Axil are both aliens promoting
> wild goose chase theories because, like Whitehead, they know:
>
> “Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are
> strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be
> made at decisive moments.”
>
> - Alfred North Whitehead, “Adventures of Ideas”
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM,  wrote:
>
>> In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:48:06 -0400
>> (EDT):
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >
>> >It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to
>> the crowd.
>> >
>> >The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant
>> star system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is
>> required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions
>> carefully on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make
>> a reactionless drive. :-)
>> >
>> >Time to hit the sack...zz
>> >
>> >Unsigned
>>
>> the aliens are doing everything in their power to stop us getting into
>> space. Why do you think LENR gets no funding? ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Daniel Rocha]

More or less like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8HpGge-jzU


2014-08-24 21:59 GMT-03:00 Jojo Iznart :

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> Robin is right.
>
> Except that we don't realize that these aliens are not extraterrestrial
> BIOLOGICAL beings from another planet.  These ALIENS are aliens to our
> dimension.  They are INTERDIMENSIONAL beings of spirits, fallen angels and
> demons, controlling our destiny thru their proxy of wicked men composing
> the Masonic Order, the Illuminati and other Secret Societies.  The last US
> president who tried to oppose them ended with a bullet in his head.
>
> They already know who I am and where I live.  I already have a bull's eye
> on my back.  I'd be dead already except that I am not too much of nuisance
> yet and more importantly, they can't.
>
>
> Jojo

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[David Roberson]

Oh no!  Axil was just the diversion alien while I was hidden under cover.  
Unfortunately we have been ousted now.  How do we explain this to our 
superiors?  "People of Earth, refrain from the development of LENR".  We have 
successfully convinced the physics community that LENR is a farce so our tasks 
have been half completed.  Or not! ;-)
 
Just in case someone happens to believe this wild fairy tale, I can assure you 
that I am very human but Axil must speak for himself.

Dave
 
-Original Message-
From: James Bowery 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


Which just proves that David Roberson and Axil are both aliens promoting wild 
goose chase theories because, like Whitehead, they know:

“Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly 
limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive 
moments.”

- Alfred North Whitehead, “Adventures of Ideas”




On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM,   wrote:

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:48:06 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]

>
>It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the 
>crowd.
>
>The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant star 
>system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is 
>required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions carefully 
>on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make a 
>reactionless drive. :-)
>
>Time to hit the sack...zz
>
>Unsigned


the aliens are doing everything in their power to stop us getting into
space. Why do you think LENR gets no funding? ;)


Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Jojo Iznart]

Robin is right.

Except that we don't realize that these aliens are not extraterrestrial 
BIOLOGICAL beings from another planet.  These ALIENS are aliens to our 
dimension.  They are INTERDIMENSIONAL beings of spirits, fallen angels and 
demons, controlling our destiny thru their proxy of wicked men composing the 
Masonic Order, the Illuminati and other Secret Societies.  The last US 
president who tried to oppose them ended with a bullet in his head.


They already know who I am and where I live.  I already have a bull's eye on 
my back.  I'd be dead already except that I am not too much of nuisance yet 
and more importantly, they can't.



Jojo


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 5:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:48:06 -0400 
(EDT):

Hi,
[snip]


It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the 
crowd.


The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant 
star system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is 
required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions 
carefully on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make 
a reactionless drive. :-)


Time to hit the sack...zz

Unsigned


the aliens are doing everything in their power to stop us getting into
space. Why do you think LENR gets no funding? ;)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[James Bowery]

Which just proves that David Roberson and Axil are both aliens promoting
wild goose chase theories because, like Whitehead, they know:

“Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are
strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be
made at decisive moments.”

- Alfred North Whitehead, “Adventures of Ideas”


On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 4:01 PM,  wrote:

> In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:48:06 -0400
> (EDT):
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >
> >It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to
> the crowd.
> >
> >The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant
> star system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is
> required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions
> carefully on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make
> a reactionless drive. :-)
> >
> >Time to hit the sack...zz
> >
> >Unsigned
>
> the aliens are doing everything in their power to stop us getting into
> space. Why do you think LENR gets no funding? ;)
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[mixent]

In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Aug 2014 03:48:06 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>
>It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the 
>crowd.
> 
>The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant star 
>system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is 
>required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions carefully 
>on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make a 
>reactionless drive. :-)
> 
>Time to hit the sack...zz
> 
>Unsigned

the aliens are doing everything in their power to stop us getting into
space. Why do you think LENR gets no funding? ;)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Forget about Axil. I'm a disguised alien from planet Duue! As a young nymph
I was left on Earth at someone's door step. They rang the doorbell and ran
away as fast as their appendages could carry them back to the saucer, and
off they went.

 

Zanthar! I'm sorry I pushed the wrong button! Gimme a break! That's what
young nymphs do.

 

Oh, poondu poop! Guess I'm going to have to make do here.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

 

From: Jojo Iznart [mailto:jojoiznar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:58 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

Come to think about it, you might be right.

 

Axil proposes concepts like high-temperature BEC solitions with Metaphasic
Shielding capability that protect nanonickel antennas from temps over 1000C.
Only an alien from an advance civilization would know of such things as
those concepts are unknown and impossible in our current state of science.  

 

Axil speaks will such certainly and conviction, so he must really know what
he is talking about.

 

 

Jojo

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: David Roberson <mailto:dlrober...@aol.com>  

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 

Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the
crowd.

 

The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant star
system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is
required to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions
carefully on this subject and his second project is to teach us how to make
a reactionless drive. :-)

 

Time to hit the sack...zz

 

Unsigned

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jojo Iznart 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 3:04 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

This is my problem with anonymous Axil.  He says things like this with such
certainty and conviction as if it were truly accurate.  People reading this
does not realize it is just Axil's theory.

 

We know high current works, but how does Axil know High Voltage works the
same?  Has he tried it?

How does he know that it is Instantaneous Power that's important, not high
current - which by the way, is opposed to what Mills said.  Mills said High
Current, not High Instantaneous Power?  

How does Axil know 5 million volts will work? Where did "under a nanosecond"
come from?  How does he know it will result in the best COP?  Did he conduct
experiments to make this claim?

 

 

 

To my other friends who are attempting Suncell replication.  Please be very
wary of these "certainties" from Axil.  He suffers no consequence when he
misdirects your efforts and/or drags you down a useless rabbit hole.  I feel
obliged to issue these warnings because I can speak from experience and I
can prove it.

 

Axil needs to climb out of his anonymous hole and take responsibility.  Like
everyone, he should bear responsibility for this theories, statements and
speculations.  

 

 

 

Jojo

 

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Axil Axil <mailto:janap...@gmail.com>  

To: vortex-l <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>  

Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:20 AM

Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required
results with the best COP.


 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Jojo Iznart]

Come to think about it, you might be right.

Axil proposes concepts like high-temperature BEC solitions with Metaphasic 
Shielding capability that protect nanonickel antennas from temps over 1000C.  
Only an alien from an advance civilization would know of such things as those 
concepts are unknown and impossible in our current state of science.  

Axil speaks will such certainly and conviction, so he must really know what he 
is talking about.


Jojo


  - Original Message - 
  From: David Roberson 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


  It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the 
crowd.

  The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant star 
system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is required 
to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions carefully on this 
subject and his second project is to teach us how to make a reactionless drive. 
:-)

  Time to hit the sack...zz

  Unsigned


  -Original Message-
  From: Jojo Iznart 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 3:04 am
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


  This is my problem with anonymous Axil.  He says things like this with such 
certainty and conviction as if it were truly accurate.  People reading this 
does not realize it is just Axil's theory.

  We know high current works, but how does Axil know High Voltage works the 
same?  Has he tried it?
  How does he know that it is Instantaneous Power that's important, not high 
current - which by the way, is opposed to what Mills said.  Mills said High 
Current, not High Instantaneous Power?  
  How does Axil know 5 million volts will work? Where did "under a nanosecond" 
come from?  How does he know it will result in the best COP?  Did he conduct 
experiments to make this claim?



  To my other friends who are attempting Suncell replication.  Please be very 
wary of these "certainties" from Axil.  He suffers no consequence when he 
misdirects your efforts and/or drags you down a useless rabbit hole.  I feel 
obliged to issue these warnings because I can speak from experience and I can 
prove it.

  Axil needs to climb out of his anonymous hole and take responsibility.  Like 
everyone, he should bear responsibility for this theories, statements and 
speculations.  



  Jojo





- Original Message - 
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:20 AM
    Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce 
the required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can 
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million 
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required results 
with the best COP.

 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[David Roberson]

It is late this evening and I felt like throwing out something cute to the 
crowd.
 
The reason Axil does not come out is that he is an alien from a distant star 
system.  His task is to help mankind to venture into space and LENR is required 
to make this possible.  We need to follow his instructions carefully on this 
subject and his second project is to teach us how to make a reactionless drive. 
:-)
 
Time to hit the sack...zz
 
Unsigned
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Jojo Iznart 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Aug 24, 2014 3:04 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?



This is my problem with anonymous Axil.  He says things like this with such 
certainty and conviction as if it were truly accurate.  People reading this 
does not realize it is just Axil's theory.
 
We know high current works, but how does Axil know High Voltage works the same? 
 Has he tried it?
How does he know that it is Instantaneous Power that's important, not high 
current - which by the way, is opposed to what Mills said.  Mills said High 
Current, not High Instantaneous Power?  
How does Axil know 5 million volts will work? Where did "under a nanosecond" 
come from?  How does he know it will result in the best COP?  Did he conduct 
experiments to make this claim?
 
 
 
To my other friends who are attempting Suncell replication.  Please be very 
wary of these "certainties" from Axil.  He suffers no consequence when he 
misdirects your efforts and/or drags you down a useless rabbit hole.  I feel 
obliged to issue these warnings because I can speak from experience and I can 
prove it.
 
Axil needs to climb out of his anonymous hole and take responsibility.  Like 
everyone, he should bear responsibility for this theories, statements and 
speculations.  
 
 
 
Jojo
 
 
 
 
 
  
- Original Message - 
  
From:   Axil Axil   
  
To: vortex-l 
  
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:20   AM
  
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design   Possibilities?
  


  
The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can   produce the 
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the   pulse can 
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5   million 
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the   required 
results with the best COP.
  

 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Jojo Iznart]

This is my problem with anonymous Axil.  He says things like this with such 
certainty and conviction as if it were truly accurate.  People reading this 
does not realize it is just Axil's theory.

We know high current works, but how does Axil know High Voltage works the same? 
 Has he tried it?
How does he know that it is Instantaneous Power that's important, not high 
current - which by the way, is opposed to what Mills said.  Mills said High 
Current, not High Instantaneous Power?  
How does Axil know 5 million volts will work? Where did "under a nanosecond" 
come from?  How does he know it will result in the best COP?  Did he conduct 
experiments to make this claim?



To my other friends who are attempting Suncell replication.  Please be very 
wary of these "certainties" from Axil.  He suffers no consequence when he 
misdirects your efforts and/or drags you down a useless rabbit hole.  I feel 
obliged to issue these warnings because I can speak from experience and I can 
prove it.

Axil needs to climb out of his anonymous hole and take responsibility.  Like 
everyone, he should bear responsibility for this theories, statements and 
speculations.  



Jojo





  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 12:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


  The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the 
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can be 
shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million 
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required results 
with the best COP.

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Jack Cole]

Hi Steven,

Actually, that is a normal configuration for a spot welder.  The one I
ordered is 2.5V and 3200 amps.  Maybe it won't be high enough power, but if
nothing else, it could prove a possibility for triggering LENR in
electrolysis with very short pulses.  It's worth a try.

Jack



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
> amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
> low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> svjart.orionworks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

Oops. I think the specs on page 60 pertain only a much large hypothetical
configuration. I think the engineering firms BLP has contracted with may
attempt to construct a prototype more akin to the specs on page 78.
Presumably, this is a much smaller, less ambitious configuration. I'm
guessing this configuration would more closely match the specs on page 59.

 

. . . . .

 

You can view some of the specs at the following PDF file:

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Abbreviated_Business_P
resentation-8-2014.pdf

 

On page 59:

Operating Specifications:

 

Ignition current 10k A to 30kA

Ignition Voltage 4.5 V - 15V

System Peak Input Power45 kW to 450 kW

 

 

... and on page 60, the Operating specifications of an alleged 10 MW
electric SunCell generator with a rotary ignition-regeneration and Optical
Distribution and Potovoltaic Converter System.

 

Ignition current: 20k A to 30k A

Ignition voltage:   4.5 V 8 8 V.

System Peak Input Power: 90 kW to 240 kW

 

... presumably to be delivered...

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

The material through which the current flows determines the voltage
appearing across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant
range by playing with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields
enter into the equation then it is important to make the trade off such that
the current is increased at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required
results with the best COP.

 

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:

In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

 

RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

You can view some of the specs at the following PDF file:

 

http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Abbreviated_Business_P
resentation-8-2014.pdf

 

On page 59:

Operating Specifications:

 

Ignition current 10k A to 30kA

Ignition Voltage 4.5 V - 15V

System Peak Input Power45 kW to 450 kW

 

 

... and on page 60, the Operating specifications of an alleged 10 MW
electric SunCell generator with a rotary ignition-regeneration and Optical
Distribution and Potovoltaic Converter System.

 

Ignition current: 20k A to 30k A

Ignition voltage:   4.5 V 8 8 V.

System Peak Input Power: 90 kW to 240 kW

 

... presumably to be delivered...

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

 

The material through which the current flows determines the voltage
appearing across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant
range by playing with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields
enter into the equation then it is important to make the trade off such that
the current is increased at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can
be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required
results with the best COP.

 

On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 wrote:

In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[David Roberson]

The material through which the current flows determines the voltage appearing 
across its terminals.  This can be adjusted over a significant range by playing 
with the geometry of the structure.  If magnetic fields enter into the equation 
then it is important to make the trade off such that the current is increased 
at the expense of voltage.

I am under the impression that Mills uses the large current to enhance his 
reaction and goes to a lot of effort to achieve that goal.

Dave  

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sat, Aug 23, 2014 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?


The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce the 
required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse can be 
shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5 million 
volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the required results 
with the best COP.



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:


Incase it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge amount 
ofamperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely low. I 
assumethis is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
 
Regards,
StevenVincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks

 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Axil Axil]

The important factor is instansious power(IP). High amperage can produce
the required level of IP, or high voltage can, or the duration of the pulse
can be shortened. To get the best COP, a very high voltage pulse...say 5
million volts, that is pulsed for under a nanosecond will provide the
required results with the best COP.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

>  In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge
> amount of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely
> low. I assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> svjart.orionworks.com
>
> zazzle.com/orionworks
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

In case it was missed, Dr. Mills mentions the fact that they use a huge amount 
of amperage to generate the explosion. Voltage, OTOH, is extremely low. I 
assume this is not a normal configuration spot welder equipment uses.

 

Regards,

Steven Vincent Johnson

svjart.orionworks.com

zazzle.com/orionworks 

 

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Jack Cole]

I think maybe BLP is relying on the spot welder's frequency of 33hz (at
least for some of the experiments).  But, yes, I think I'll need to replace
the mechanical switch with an SSR or other means of switching so it can be
automated in controlling when it fires.


On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 1:43 AM,  wrote:

> In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:40:40 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >If we assume BLP's SunCell works as advertised, it would seem to me that
> >they need to design something better for the ignition process than pouring
> >particles over the rollers.  I don't see how that could ever be made
> >reliable, but that might just be a limitation of my imagination.
> >
> >It seems to me that electrolysis is a necessary part of the process
> >(although happening with a small amount of water).  It seems like an
> >alternative process would be an electrolytic cell with electrodes made out
> >of the correct material.  This would result in conversion to thermal
> >energy, which would probably be less efficient than converting light to
> >electricity if that's the goal.  But if heat is the goal then I think it
> >should be considered--in particular if it would be more reliable.  I
> >realize I am making a lot of assumptions (even that it works), but it
> would
> >seem to be worth exploring.
> >
> >I ordered a spot welder recently, which should arrive soon, and I will
> >attempt some experiments.  It won't have the same level of power that
> BLP's
> >has, so it may not work.  In one video, Mills did note that in the
> >experiment without the rollers that 3KW or 5J was enough to ignite the
> >process.  This is an 8KVA model, so maybe something interesting can
> happen.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Jack
> Note that 5 J implies only supplying 3 kW for 1.7 mS. So you will need
> either
> some electronic means of rapidly switching the power, or a fast mechanical
> way.
> Perhaps the rollers themselves can be made to do the switching -
> alternating
> conducting and insulating strips, then rotate at the correct speed?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[mixent]

In reply to  Jack Cole's message of Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:40:40 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>If we assume BLP's SunCell works as advertised, it would seem to me that
>they need to design something better for the ignition process than pouring
>particles over the rollers.  I don't see how that could ever be made
>reliable, but that might just be a limitation of my imagination.
>
>It seems to me that electrolysis is a necessary part of the process
>(although happening with a small amount of water).  It seems like an
>alternative process would be an electrolytic cell with electrodes made out
>of the correct material.  This would result in conversion to thermal
>energy, which would probably be less efficient than converting light to
>electricity if that's the goal.  But if heat is the goal then I think it
>should be considered--in particular if it would be more reliable.  I
>realize I am making a lot of assumptions (even that it works), but it would
>seem to be worth exploring.
>
>I ordered a spot welder recently, which should arrive soon, and I will
>attempt some experiments.  It won't have the same level of power that BLP's
>has, so it may not work.  In one video, Mills did note that in the
>experiment without the rollers that 3KW or 5J was enough to ignite the
>process.  This is an 8KVA model, so maybe something interesting can happen.
>
>Best regards,
>Jack
Note that 5 J implies only supplying 3 kW for 1.7 mS. So you will need either
some electronic means of rapidly switching the power, or a fast mechanical way.
Perhaps the rollers themselves can be made to do the switching - alternating
conducting and insulating strips, then rotate at the correct speed?



Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:SunCell - Better Design Possibilities?

[Terry Blanton]

But PVs aren't cost effective without subsidies using our free Sol.