Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 08:40:30 schrieb Kreuvf: bugs buggy wrote: Inside the .info file itself would be all the author's name, and whatever else info the map pack creator wants to put inside it. The game wouldn't ever read the contents of that file though. http://developer.wz2100.net/wiki/Organization_Proposal (it's a bit fucked up due to the move from mediawiki to tracwiki) There is an even older proposal which deals with that already. It involves a Lua file storing some basic information about a .wz file, like author, license, included maps, etc. I even made a testing implementation looong time ago, but I cannot find it anymore. Possibly there is some info on this list about it. So the idea is not new, just no one came around to implement it yet. --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 02:19:28PM +0100, Dennis Schridde wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 08:40:30 schrieb Kreuvf: bugs buggy wrote: Inside the .info file itself would be all the author's name, and whatever else info the map pack creator wants to put inside it. The game wouldn't ever read the contents of that file though. http://developer.wz2100.net/wiki/Organization_Proposal (it's a bit fucked up due to the move from mediawiki to tracwiki) There is an even older proposal which deals with that already. It involves a Lua file storing some basic information about a .wz file, like author, license, included maps, etc. I prefer using Lua instead of JSON syntax for the simple reason that the syntax is quite similar but for Lua we don't need to implement any parser ourselves. So the idea is not new, just no one came around to implement it yet. It's hardly new indeed, and from what I recall it seems to be that every time it was brought up we came to the conclusion that it's PhysicsFS' API that was the limiting factor in implementing such a proposal. So I suggest that this time we should be prepared to look past the limitations of PhysicsFS and if necessary should be prepared to extend PhysicsFS' API where required, obviously this should be done in coordination with the PhysicsFS developers. To conclude: we shouldn't let ourselves be limited by PhysicsFS' API. -- Giel signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
On 2/14/09, Kreuvf kre...@warzone2100.de wrote: bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. If we send false on that condition, then the User still don't have the map, and it requests the map again, and we run into a infinite loop. My patch right now, has a force exit() to the host, since *all* players must have that map pack to work correctly. The other option would be to kick the user that don't have the map pack. And since we can't send messages on a kick, they will try to connect again again... Which is the lesser of two evils? Inside the .info file itself would be all the author's name, and whatever else info the map pack creator wants to put inside it. The game wouldn't ever read the contents of that file though. http://developer.wz2100.net/wiki/Organization_Proposal (it's a bit fucked up due to the move from mediawiki to tracwiki) Would this be a good way to handle it? Could be wise to make a more general decision on it as you may want to bundle several mods as well. - Kreuvf ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
2009/2/14 bugs buggy buginato...@gmail.com: That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. If we send false on that condition, then the User still don't have the map, and it requests the map again, and we run into a infinite loop. My patch right now, has a force exit() to the host, since *all* players must have that map pack to work correctly. The other option would be to kick the user that don't have the map pack. And since we can't send messages on a kick, they will try to connect again again... Which is the lesser of two evils? Well, first, we should fix that: Add the ability to send a message on a kick, and depending on the message, have the client not auto-reconnect. And then, if each map contains its filename, they could all contain the map pack name, and then the host could just send the entire map pack to everyone. - Zarel ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 15:29:52 schrieb Giel van Schijndel: I prefer using Lua instead of JSON syntax for the simple reason that the syntax is quite similar but for Lua we don't need to implement any parser ourselves. Especially since we already link against Lua anyway. Maybe I even find my code from back then, but even if, I am unsure whether everyone will like it. I would like Gerard, or someone else with experience in storing data in Lua, to have a look through it. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 02:19:28PM +0100, Dennis Schridde wrote: So the idea is not new, just no one came around to implement it yet. It's hardly new indeed, and from what I recall it seems to be that every time it was brought up we came to the conclusion that it's PhysicsFS' API that was the limiting factor in implementing such a proposal. I am not so sure. In fact the proposal originally was just about metadata, and module loading (dependency handling, dependencies between models and textures, etc), not about figuring out where a file comes from. In fact I am not sure why the proposal for the latter, which I gave on the physfs mailinglist, does not work... Maybe someone can elaborate on that... --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 21:29:02 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Kreuvf kre...@warzone2100.de wrote: bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. Why do we not just send just the binary data? I mean, we can load the map apparently. We can transmit blobs over the network, too. Everyone can receive blobs. We should be able to feed a datastructure with that blob. And then save it in a cache file for later reuse. Does that not sound ok? Are there issues with that approach? --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 22:01:49 schrieb Zarel: Well, first, we should fix that: Add the ability to send a message on a kick, and depending on the message, have the client not auto-reconnect. Different ticket, but it sound useful, yes. And then, if each map contains its filename, they could all contain the map pack name, and then the host could just send the entire map pack to everyone. There is a nice utility which could break your dreams: mv These assumptions may be violated by it: * each map contains its filename * they contain the map pack name --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
On 2/14/09, Dennis Schridde devuran...@gmx.net wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 21:29:02 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Kreuvf kre...@warzone2100.de wrote: bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. Why do we not just send just the binary data? I mean, we can load the map apparently. We can transmit blobs over the network, too. Everyone can receive blobs. We should be able to feed a datastructure with that blob. And then save it in a cache file for later reuse. Does that not sound ok? Are there issues with that approach? --DevU That is a ton more work, to send mapname/*.* and then recreate the mapname.addon.lev file so the game can find it. Right now, they merged the info from all the *.addon.levs into one huge *.addon.lev file. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
On 2/14/09, Dennis Schridde devuran...@gmx.net wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 15:29:52 schrieb Giel van Schijndel: I prefer using Lua instead of JSON syntax for the simple reason that the syntax is quite similar but for Lua we don't need to implement any parser ourselves. Especially since we already link against Lua anyway. Maybe I even find my code from back then, but even if, I am unsure whether everyone will like it. I would like Gerard, or someone else with experience in storing data in Lua, to have a look through it. On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 02:19:28PM +0100, Dennis Schridde wrote: So the idea is not new, just no one came around to implement it yet. It's hardly new indeed, and from what I recall it seems to be that every time it was brought up we came to the conclusion that it's PhysicsFS' API that was the limiting factor in implementing such a proposal. I am not so sure. In fact the proposal originally was just about metadata, and module loading (dependency handling, dependencies between models and textures, etc), not about figuring out where a file comes from. In fact I am not sure why the proposal for the latter, which I gave on the physfs mailinglist, does not work... Maybe someone can elaborate on that... From the physfs ML: If you know where you mounted the directory/archive, you should be able to reconstruct the full path. (Maybe there is also a function to give you the mountpoint of an archive, I do not know that off hand.) virtual_filename; archive_filename = getRealDir(...); archive_mountpoint = figure_out_mountpoint(archive_filename); relative_filename = subst(archive_mountpoint, , virtual_filename); full_filename = archive_filename + relative_filename; But generally I assume it is discouraged to care about the real filename, since this complicates the whole stuff, also in places where you might not yet think about. After we get the RealDir(), we then enumerate all files in that directory. We would have to read each archive to find the map in question. What happens if more than one map pack has the same map name? Physfs can't tell us which it is reading from, so what would we do in that case? ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 23:18:51 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Dennis Schridde devuran...@gmx.net wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 21:29:02 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Kreuvf kre...@warzone2100.de wrote: bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. Why do we not just send just the binary data? I mean, we can load the map apparently. We can transmit blobs over the network, too. Everyone can receive blobs. We should be able to feed a datastructure with that blob. And then save it in a cache file for later reuse. Does that not sound ok? Are there issues with that approach? --DevU That is a ton more work, to send mapname/*.* and then recreate the mapname.addon.lev file so the game can find it. Right now, they merged the info from all the *.addon.levs into one huge *.addon.lev file. There was a proposal to remove the need for those files. ;) --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 23:18:51 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Dennis Schridde devuran...@gmx.net wrote: Am Samstag, 14. Februar 2009 21:29:02 schrieb bugs buggy: On 2/14/09, Kreuvf kre...@warzone2100.de wrote: bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz That is one of things that is crashing us now. Host has that map pack. User connecting don't. game tries to send map, but since, it is in the map pack, it has no idea how to deal with it, and it can't find anything to send. Why do we not just send just the binary data? I mean, we can load the map apparently. We can transmit blobs over the network, too. Everyone can receive blobs. We should be able to feed a datastructure with that blob. And then save it in a cache file for later reuse. Does that not sound ok? Are there issues with that approach? --DevU That is a ton more work, to send mapname/*.* and then recreate the mapname.addon.lev file so the game can find it. Right now, they merged the info from all the *.addon.levs into one huge *.addon.lev file. There was a proposal to remove the need for those files. ;) (Though, again, originaly for a different reason.) --DevU signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
[Warzone-dev] Map packs
Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. I was thinking since we look for *.addon.lev files anyway, we could also check for map_pack_name.info (or whatever) and then we can use physFS getRealDir() to find the directory that is in, and use 'map_pack_name', append .wz to it, stick this in some global map storage array, and then if the game can't find mapname.wz, we look in the global map storage array for the correct name to use, then we can send the whole thing that way. Inside the .info file itself would be all the author's name, and whatever else info the map pack creator wants to put inside it. The game wouldn't ever read the contents of that file though. Would this be a good way to handle it? Or do we just not allow map packs at all, and just have mapname.wz as the only supported map that the game can send? ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
Re: [Warzone-dev] Map packs
bugs buggy wrote: Well, seems that we can't use physFS to read a archive within a archive. We also can't tell what is the file for said map pack easily. You could do it the way Black NEXUS did it, although this surely has several drawbacks: http://wow-projekt.bplaced.net/warzone2100/black_nexus_mp1.wz Inside the .info file itself would be all the author's name, and whatever else info the map pack creator wants to put inside it. The game wouldn't ever read the contents of that file though. http://developer.wz2100.net/wiki/Organization_Proposal (it's a bit fucked up due to the move from mediawiki to tracwiki) Would this be a good way to handle it? Could be wise to make a more general decision on it as you may want to bundle several mods as well. - Kreuvf ___ Warzone-dev mailing list Warzone-dev@gna.org https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/warzone-dev
