[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
Please, avoid talking about those
"24-hours-a-day-coffee-and-cigarettes-no-lunch-at-regular-intervals" days
8-)
I left those aside and am resting a bit. Though I'll get back to C++ soon.
Got some encryption implementation work to do. (mummy, where are you!!)
lol
Paul
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> glad to see we agree then ;o)
>
> I think it really all stems back to having to write algorithms
> and data structures in
> C...
>
> Probably made me a tad biasd ;o)
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> > Paul Larue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> > I'm ok with all that. I was just guessing wether or not procedural
> > code was
> > faster than classes in a web environment. In a workstation
> > environment you
> > can easily compile you classes as DLL's or equivalent to the system
> > and
> > cache them (you can also do that with web environment but you need to
> > have
> > your own server!). This causes calls to the classes to be much more
> > faster.
> >
> > I'm fine with all you said... specially people being lazy with their
> > SQL. We
> > too often see "select * from table" then a loop in the recordset to
> > find a
> > specific record where the whole thing could have been done using a
> > where
> > condition in the SQL itself!
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mark M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:40 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
> > >
> > >
> > > > But later I turned down to classes since those
> > > > offer more advantages and are easier to manage. But are they
> > faster
> > > > and do they really provide performance increases?
> > >
> > > Personally I've always been taught 2 things
> > >
> > > (1) Sofware design is more important than anything else
> > > (2) Make it work first, then optimise.
> > >
> > > If you have good software design, you develop faster, and its
> > > cheaper to do.. and
> > > the rest of those good things.
> > >
> > > If you develop something that works, then find the bottlenecks,
> > > then you actually
> > > KNOW where the bottlenecks are, rather than guessing.
> > >
> > > Sure there are plenty of little tips and tricks you do during
> > > coding to make stuff a
> > > bit faster... but just just because you could write everything
> > > inline and make it run
> > > faster? Would you? hell no.. can't read it worth diddley squat.
> > >
> > > Final comment - your BIGGEST slowdown on a site is your Database
> > > Queries. If
> > > you want to make things optimised, work there. Cache your
> > > queries, design your
> > > DB better, and write concise SQL that does ALL the work you need
> > > it to, without
> > > having to get your code (ASP, PHP, whatever) to do any additional
> > work.
> > > (I have a pet peeve about this... people are lazy with their SQL)
> > >
> > > Hope that makes sense.
> > >
> > > Feel free to disagree ;o)
> > >
> > > Mark
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[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
glad to see we agree then ;o) I think it really all stems back to having to write algorithms and data structures in C... Probably made me a tad biasd ;o) Mark > Paul Larue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mark, > I'm ok with all that. I was just guessing wether or not procedural > code was > faster than classes in a web environment. In a workstation > environment you > can easily compile you classes as DLL's or equivalent to the system > and > cache them (you can also do that with web environment but you need to > have > your own server!). This causes calls to the classes to be much more > faster. > > I'm fine with all you said... specially people being lazy with their > SQL. We > too often see "select * from table" then a loop in the recordset to > find a > specific record where the whole thing could have been done using a > where > condition in the SQL itself! > > Paul > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mark M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:40 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural > > > > > > > But later I turned down to classes since those > > > offer more advantages and are easier to manage. But are they > faster > > > and do they really provide performance increases? > > > > Personally I've always been taught 2 things > > > > (1) Sofware design is more important than anything else > > (2) Make it work first, then optimise. > > > > If you have good software design, you develop faster, and its > > cheaper to do.. and > > the rest of those good things. > > > > If you develop something that works, then find the bottlenecks, > > then you actually > > KNOW where the bottlenecks are, rather than guessing. > > > > Sure there are plenty of little tips and tricks you do during > > coding to make stuff a > > bit faster... but just just because you could write everything > > inline and make it run > > faster? Would you? hell no.. can't read it worth diddley squat. > > > > Final comment - your BIGGEST slowdown on a site is your Database > > Queries. If > > you want to make things optimised, work there. Cache your > > queries, design your > > DB better, and write concise SQL that does ALL the work you need > > it to, without > > having to get your code (ASP, PHP, whatever) to do any additional > work. > > (I have a pet peeve about this... people are lazy with their SQL) > > > > Hope that makes sense. > > > > Feel free to disagree ;o) > > > > Mark > > > > --- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ICQ: 3094740 > > Safe From Bees > > [www.safefrombees.com] > > > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > > > > > > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3094740 Safe From Bees [www.safefrombees.com] åT°â±Ë¬²*'.+-~º&X5Kã "oÖ¥'§t Ĩ¥N[hÁÛ嵩d§+-³oÊ&IéÝb«>-±:0vùmjY%ËlÁÛår¡ÈZ¬¹» ®*mìzÛb -¢Ø^ÁÛ嵩dv( ²ÛޮȨm§ÿðvùb׫ë\¢oÖ Rÿîû.nm§ÿðà ¾W(.j·ººÞÙr²æìr¸yÛhÁÛ嵩djÆ«r¯z6¢¸¢éì¹» ®&Þ±éÝi¹ZG¦j)m¢W½ì ¾[ZM·Óv^X¬¶Ì ¾W(
[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
Mark, I'm ok with all that. I was just guessing wether or not procedural code was faster than classes in a web environment. In a workstation environment you can easily compile you classes as DLL's or equivalent to the system and cache them (you can also do that with web environment but you need to have your own server!). This causes calls to the classes to be much more faster. I'm fine with all you said... specially people being lazy with their SQL. We too often see "select * from table" then a loop in the recordset to find a specific record where the whole thing could have been done using a where condition in the SQL itself! Paul > -Original Message- > From: Mark M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:40 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural > > > > But later I turned down to classes since those > > offer more advantages and are easier to manage. But are they faster > > and do they really provide performance increases? > > Personally I've always been taught 2 things > > (1) Sofware design is more important than anything else > (2) Make it work first, then optimise. > > If you have good software design, you develop faster, and its > cheaper to do.. and > the rest of those good things. > > If you develop something that works, then find the bottlenecks, > then you actually > KNOW where the bottlenecks are, rather than guessing. > > Sure there are plenty of little tips and tricks you do during > coding to make stuff a > bit faster... but just just because you could write everything > inline and make it run > faster? Would you? hell no.. can't read it worth diddley squat. > > Final comment - your BIGGEST slowdown on a site is your Database > Queries. If > you want to make things optimised, work there. Cache your > queries, design your > DB better, and write concise SQL that does ALL the work you need > it to, without > having to get your code (ASP, PHP, whatever) to do any additional work. > (I have a pet peeve about this... people are lazy with their SQL) > > Hope that makes sense. > > Feel free to disagree ;o) > > Mark > > --- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 3094740 > Safe From Bees > [www.safefrombees.com] > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
> But later I turned down to classes since those > offer more advantages and are easier to manage. But are they faster > and do they really provide performance increases? Personally I've always been taught 2 things (1) Sofware design is more important than anything else (2) Make it work first, then optimise. If you have good software design, you develop faster, and its cheaper to do.. and the rest of those good things. If you develop something that works, then find the bottlenecks, then you actually KNOW where the bottlenecks are, rather than guessing. Sure there are plenty of little tips and tricks you do during coding to make stuff a bit faster... but just just because you could write everything inline and make it run faster? Would you? hell no.. can't read it worth diddley squat. Final comment - your BIGGEST slowdown on a site is your Database Queries. If you want to make things optimised, work there. Cache your queries, design your DB better, and write concise SQL that does ALL the work you need it to, without having to get your code (ASP, PHP, whatever) to do any additional work. (I have a pet peeve about this... people are lazy with their SQL) Hope that makes sense. Feel free to disagree ;o) Mark --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3094740 Safe From Bees [www.safefrombees.com] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
Hi Mark, Actually that's what I do, each module has it's own class. But I was wondering if going the procedural way was not faster. When I begun, that was the way I used to do things. But later I turned down to classes since those offer more advantages and are easier to manage. But are they faster and do they really provide performance increases? I did not make any tests like adding timers to verify but I suppose that they (classes) should be a bit slower since the page got quite some code to parse before starting execution. Of course you could always cache the pages but though... What's your idea on this? Paul > -Original Message- > From: Mark M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural > > > > > Concerning web scripting languages like PHP or ASP, is it better to > > build a big class containing all the methods/properties that > you online app > > would need (like db access, xml parsing, file system functions > etc) and to > > call the appropriate methods/properties whenevr they are needed or is > > procedural programming the way to go? > > Neither - build lots of smaller Classes, each with its own > specific role within the > system. > > Mark > --- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 3094740 > Safe From Bees > [www.safefrombees.com] > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
> Concerning web scripting languages like PHP or ASP, is it better to > build a big class containing all the methods/properties that you online app > would need (like db access, xml parsing, file system functions etc) and to > call the appropriate methods/properties whenevr they are needed or is > procedural programming the way to go? Neither - build lots of smaller Classes, each with its own specific role within the system. Mark --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3094740 Safe From Bees [www.safefrombees.com] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] [PHP/ASP] Class v/s Procedural
Hi all, Glad to see that the list got "livened up" a bit. Still not the 100 posts per day we used to have in the good ol'days but better than the 4 posts we had 2 weeks ago!! Anyway, here's a question: Concerning web scripting languages like PHP or ASP, is it better to build a big class containing all the methods/properties that you online app would need (like db access, xml parsing, file system functions etc) and to call the appropriate methods/properties whenevr they are needed or is procedural programming the way to go? By procedural I mean writing the necessary functions and code in the pages that need them and that's it. Paul The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
REALLY!?!? Just tried it myself (as I did before I sent the message) and got to the correct page. Anyone else get re-directed? BTW, thanks fa bunch or all the great tips etc - keep 'yal posted as I learn a few things .. > Gerrie, > I got redirected to some sort of porn site. What's going on? > Sherry >> > www.rolunda.se/index2.htm The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
Gerrie, I got redirected to some sort of porn site. What's going on? Sherry Gerrie Warner wrote: > a client is giving me some greif conserning this site > www.rolunda.se/index2.htm since it doesn't work fit into 800 x monitors or > (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 - He says a > compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. What is a solution? > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jac NN7.1 800x600 WinXP A great site as usual. I especially liked your choice of color combination on the 'accommodation info' page. All links worked well and your graphics look very good. Using IE6.0 1024x768 WinXP Typed words are a little small, but readable. Sorry it takes so long, I'm on digest and have been out all day. Jan http://www.jdvisions.com Web Development and Design The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
On April 03, 2003 at 23:55, Gerrie Warner wrote: > monitors or (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 > - He says a compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. As you have found out, the competion makes sites that are liquid and if not, they are a static size to fit the most common size monitor/resolution of 800x600. The reason he has his monitor set to 1024 is that gives him room on his desktop for other things than a web page/browser; and 840px is more than enough for good sites. The extra 40px is probably so he can move his cursor off to the side when reading. Regards, Mark Groen MG Web Services Web Site Hosting and Development www.markgroen.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 604-780-6917 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
Just at a glance, you have your main layout table set to 906px wide. Looks like you'd have to change the layout. I noted you're using dreamweaver for an IDE and static HTML pages, did you set up a DW template? or are you looking at having to change every page? I just looked at some of the interior pages and apparently you are not using any kind of standard template. I don't see any way around hand editing every page. You might want to look really closely at the methodology with which you are developing your pages and see if you can come up with some ways to make your life easier. a few suggestions you might look into: -using server side includes -some sort of server scripting -try not to use nested tables -read the specs for xhtml and live by them I hope this helps some, Stephen Caudill The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: monitors sizing?
I get a horizontal scroll bar at anything less than 915px wide. You table is set to 906px wide to which you need to add the browser defaults and space for scrollbars. So you will always have a horizontal scroll on any 800x600 screen and unless you reduce the size of the image of the Gustavsson's you will never have a site that will not have scroll bars at 800x600. For a computer monitor with a screen resolution of 800x600 you must keep the width under 760px or you will have a horizontal scroll. Some browser will have one with anything over 740px wide. The solution is to reduce the size of his image by 100px and tighten up the rest of the spacing then the page will display without scrollbars. You may also want to validate your code. Cheryl D. Wise WiserWays Office: 713.353.0139 Mobile: 713.412.0406 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Gerrie Warner a client is giving me some greif conserning this site www.rolunda.se/index2.htm since it doesn't work fit into 800 x monitors or (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 - He says a compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. What is a solution? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
Gerrie, Your site is in a table of width 906, that is why it will not fit at lower resolutions of if the browser window is not maximized. The photograph you are using is 496 pixels wide. The logo is another 310 pixels. Together, they will add up to more than an 800 by 60 resolution can handle. If I were you, I would make both the photo and the logo somewhat smaller. Take the sandbag background graphic, and set it in your stylesheet as a background for the table. You should be able to use a very small section of it to give the unbroken effect. Also, you can set you table width to be a percentage instead of absolute - this way, your table will adjust to different screen resolution. You can also use divs for the layout, instead of tables, but if the clients are still using Netscape 4.7 as their browser, it is safer to stick with tables. Rudy has a good article about liquid tables: http://www.evolt.org/article/Liquid_Tables/20/2321/index.html and here is a tutorial on creating liquid table layouts: http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/Tables/flexible_tables.asp Hope this helps, Olya "Gerrie Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] se> cc: Subject: [wdvltalk] monitors sizing? 04/03/2003 03:55 PM Please respond to wdvltalk a client is giving me some greif conserning this site www.rolunda.se/index2.htm since it doesn't work fit into 800 x monitors or (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 - He says a compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. What is a solution? //Gerrie ? The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM ? To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: monitors sizing?
I'd say your best bet would be to design for a max width of 720px within liquid tables of 100%. That way they'll always fit the screen. HTH jac. - Original Message - From: "Gerrie Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 10:55 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] monitors sizing? > a client is giving me some greif conserning this site > www.rolunda.se/index2.htm since it doesn't work fit into 800 x monitors or > (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 - He says a > compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. What is a solution? > > //Gerrie > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] monitors sizing?
a client is giving me some greif conserning this site www.rolunda.se/index2.htm since it doesn't work fit into 800 x monitors or (his - and don't ask me why!) 1024 monitor adjusted to 840 - He says a compeditors site doesn't give him this problem. What is a solution? //Gerrie The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: security questions
Steve Miller wrote: > Stephen, > > Thanks for the fast response and good idea! I have heard of using > pgpmail.pl, but I assume this requires the client to have a pgp client > installed and the public key somewhere. I just don't know much about > it. > > > steve No Problem Steve, Here's what howstuffworks.com had to say about pgp encryption: "The sending computer encrypts the document with a symmetric key, then encrypts the symmetric key with the public key of the receiving computer. The receiving computer uses its private key to decode the symmetric key. It then uses the symmetric key to decode the document." It looks to me like the client would need some special software... hth, Stephen Caudill The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: security questions
Stephen, Thanks for the fast response and good idea! I have heard of using pgpmail.pl, but I assume this requires the client to have a pgp client installed and the public key somewhere. I just don't know much about it. steve > From: "Stephen Caudill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:21:55 -0500 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: security questions > > Steve, > I'm not aware of any way to 'send' them anything securely. If its necessary > to display their information for verification purposes or some such, I would > email them a link to a secure page. > m2c, > Stephen Caudill > > > Steve Miller wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I am creating a form section for a client website where some of the >> form data will contain sensitive info (like ssn and driver's license >> number). I can serve the form from a secure server, but how do I get >> the data back to the client securely? Do I have to use some kind of >> secure email, or are there other ways? >> >> Many thanks for any ideas, >> >> steve miller >> >> * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * >> To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: >> http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub >> >> http://www.wdvl.com ___ >> >> You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> %%email.unsub%% > > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: security questions
Steve, I'm not aware of any way to 'send' them anything securely. If its necessary to display their information for verification purposes or some such, I would email them a link to a secure page. m2c, Stephen Caudill Steve Miller wrote: > Hello. > > I am creating a form section for a client website where some of the > form data will contain sensitive info (like ssn and driver's license > number). I can serve the form from a secure server, but how do I get > the data back to the client securely? Do I have to use some kind of > secure email, or are there other ways? > > Many thanks for any ideas, > > steve miller > > * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * > To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: > http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub > > http://www.wdvl.com ___ > > You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > %%email.unsub%% The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] security questions
Hello. I am creating a form section for a client website where some of the form data will contain sensitive info (like ssn and driver's license number). I can serve the form from a secure server, but how do I get the data back to the client securely? Do I have to use some kind of secure email, or are there other ways? Many thanks for any ideas, steve miller The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Re: CSS and Links
alls well that ends well then, lol Michael Ensor www.WellingtonLive.co.nz - Original Message - From: Ken Patenaude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 4:56 AM Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: CSS and Links : I figured it out. I put
[wdvltalk] Re: CSS and Links
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[wdvltalk] RE: [SCR] www.innishannon...
oh my god it's like handing up homework for correction at school! lol thanks Tim... i tried to watch my spelling and such but obviously some got through. Stackmaking? not sure myself but to hazard a guess I'd say it's probably bales of hay/straw or something along those lines?? maybe someone on the list will fill us in... ANYONE GOT ANY EXPERIENCE WITH STACKMAKING? ANYONE GOT ANY IDEA WHAT IT IS? lol cheers Tim jac. - Original Message - From: "Furry, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: [wdvltalk] RE: [SCR] www.innishannon... Jac, Somehow the orange works for me, too...wasn't sure about it at first with the others' comments, but...it's Irish. :-) It was enough to give me the itch to go to the rally. Since I'm an editor at heart, here's a few minor details: Accommodations page: "Articulated Truck" is misspelled (left column). Entry form: "read the following carefully:-" <-- might want to delete the dash. Entry form, point 7: "Any exhibits after this willl <-- "will" is misspelled. Entry form, point 12: "Childern" <-- "children" is misspelled Entry form, point 12: might want to say "Children under 16 years of age are forbidden to drive at any time." If you say "at all times", someone might interpret that to allow "perhaps some of the time". :-) What's "stackmaking"? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP . The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM . To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to %%email.unsub%% The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] Back Ups
jac asked: ...if you've got a minute can you recommend a method of backing up files. Erich suggested: Do you have a CD or DVD burner? I was backing up my home machine on CD's with no problem. If you don't have a burner consider that a great investment and write it off. CD burners are now getting very reasonable... And Mark added: Second Hard Drive. Copy. Paste. Or Second Computer on Network. Copy. Paste. Tim sez: I use both methods. The midrange hard drives are getting cheap (I can pick up a new Western Digital 40GB drive for about US$60). CD burners are very dependable now and the blank media is running about 20 cents each in quantity. I've had excellent luck with HP burners. As far as web development goes, the CDs are perfect - when I get a site to a nice "done" stage, it gets burned to a CD, but I leave the CD open. As things change I can move the updated files out to the CD too, if I want. I try to package things so that if a server gets toasted I can throw the CD in the new server and have the site back up in just a few minutes. The second hard drive is great too, since it's quite fast. Depending on your situation, you might want to consider the formatting options (NTFS, FAT32, etc.) in case it must be moved to another machine for recovery. Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[wdvltalk] RE: [SCR] www.innishannon...
Jac, Somehow the orange works for me, too...wasn't sure about it at first with the others' comments, but...it's Irish. :-) It was enough to give me the itch to go to the rally. Since I'm an editor at heart, here's a few minor details: Accommodations page: "Articulated Truck" is misspelled (left column). Entry form: "read the following carefully:-" <-- might want to delete the dash. Entry form, point 7: "Any exhibits after this willl <-- "will" is misspelled. Entry form, point 12: "Childern" <-- "children" is misspelled Entry form, point 12: might want to say "Children under 16 years of age are forbidden to drive at any time." If you say "at all times", someone might interpret that to allow "perhaps some of the time". :-) What's "stackmaking"? Tim ___ Tim Furry Web Developer Foulston Siefkin LLP The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Send Your Posts To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change subscription settings to the wdvltalk digest version: http://wdvl.internet.com/WDVL/Forum/#sub http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
