[wdvltalk] Radio buttons

2003-05-30 Thread Amrit Hallan
I have the following radio button defined:

input
  type=radio value=Single checked name=R1Single
  input type=radio name=R1 value=MarriedMarried

But when I try to check the value using

alert(document.frm1.R1.value);

it shows undefined.

Am I defining the radio buttons right?

TIA

Amrit Hallan
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[wdvltalk] Re: Radio buttons

2003-05-30 Thread rudy
 Am I defining the radio buttons right?

yup, but you are not retrieving them correctly in the alert

i think -- no guarantee -- that it's

  alert(document.frm1.R1[0].value)  for the first one
  alert(document.frm1.R1[1].value)  for the second

see http://irt.org/script/


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[wdvltalk] RE: anyone know what this error means and how to fix it?

2003-05-30 Thread Furry, Tim
Deb wrote:
The following errors were found:
Sorry, but I cannot figure out who sent you here. Your browser is not
sending an HTTP_REFERER. Please use the back button to correct these
errors.

Paul added:
Just did the same tests (test/333-333-  the puterbug/333-333-)
and it worked. The next thing would be that your host does not allow
forms to be submitted unless it knows who is sending the data, this
issue is resolved by testing/(logging?) the HTTP_REFERER header. Headers
are sent BY the browser TO the server. So logically speaking, if the
server is not getting the header, this should mean that the browser is
not sending it. What browser are you using? did you tweak it recently?
Can you try with another browser on your machine?

And David suggested:
I think you'll most likely find that your formmail.php script will have
something in it which tries to get the HTTP_REFERER.  It's not a great
approach for a form handler to do that, since sometimes browsers won't
send the HTTP_REFERER (even if they have submitted the form to get
there, and not gone directly).  A much better approach is to just log
every request which didn't have a referrer, but let it continue anyway.

Tim sez:
The HTTP_REFERER (I shudder at the spelling) is usually used to
determine where the browser is coming from when it submits information -
in other words, checking it can help prevent someone pulling down your
page's source, changing a few values, and submitting it in an attempt to
hack your site; the HTTP_REFERER would point to whatever server they
were submitting the page from, instead of your webserver.  I've been
working on a secure extranet and this is one method of hack prevention
(you always want the HTTP-REFERER to be YOUR server, nothing else).
Unfortunately, the CGI or ASP doesn't always get the HTTP_REFERER back
from the browser...some browsers don't send it, sometimes it gets
stripped in transmission, and if the browser was opened cleanly to your
page (no prior pages) it simply won't be there.  It's not considered
stable enough to use as a major security plug, it's just sort of an
extra thing you can check.  David's idea is probably the best - check it
and log attempts that don't have it or where it's incorrect.  In fact, I
like that idea a lot...I've been pondering exactly what to do myself.
Thanks, David!  :-)

So *many* things in web development *almost* work.  It's like building a
house in the middle of a river.  :-)

Tim
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[wdvltalk] Re: Omaha.com; No sign truck braked before hitting bridge

2003-05-30 Thread Furry, Tim
Jan wrote:
What's weird is that when I clicked on the link, it opened a mini window
and that picture had the watermark on it. Just for curiosity, I right
clicked and saved the picture and there is no watermark on that one.
Don't you think the saved picture should have the watermark on it too?

Mary of Omaha responded (do any of you remember Mutual of Omaha???):
Well I was wondering the same thing myself! When I right clicked on
the actual article photo, ie; the smaller picture, my browser came back
with a disabled feature. (IE 6.0) So I saved the whole web page to my
hard to check the pic's! 

It is strange that the smaller photo had no watermark Even in my
photoshop! I guess they feel that viewers are more likely to steal the
larger photos and copyright them as opposed to copyrighting the smaller
pictures?!!?! I thought it was an interesting topic for more discussion
here. Just some food for thought here! 

Tim:
This is pretty much standard practice...the small thumbnails don't have
any watermarks, but are small enough and grainy enough that they're
essentially unusable in production.  The big versions are watermarked to
help prevent theft.  We ended up buying about 30 small pics for our
website (on the practice area pages); in most of those cases, we *could*
have used the free comp version of the images (small low-res ones
designed for page layout checking), but did the right thing and
purchased full versions of each one and shrunk them to the size we
wanted.  If you visit image sources like Getty, you'll see this all over
their site - small comp images with no watermarks, and the larger ones
with them.  Paying for them gets you a version without the watermark.

Tim wondering if any of his old photos are worth US$30 a pop...
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[wdvltalk] Evolution

2003-05-30 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
So many people have asked, after viewing my web site (www.dwacon.com),
There's so much there... I'm not sure exactly what you guys do, that I
spent a couple hours last night doing a reorg...
Initially, I considered doing a splash page... but thought it was
superfluous and lacking in functionality...
Then I considered doing something kewl in Flash... but what about the people
out there who don't have (and don't care to acquire) that technology...
So, I just made the home page an index and re-ordered things hierarchically.
Still a work in progress, and still fleshing out ideas... 
Well, it seems a step in... ah... in *some* direction.

Dwacon
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[wdvltalk] RE: Evolution

2003-05-30 Thread Stephen Caudill
Conyers, Dwayne wrote:
 So many people have asked, after viewing my web site (www.dwacon.com),
 There's so much there... I'm not sure exactly what you guys do,
 that I spent a couple hours last night doing a reorg...
 Initially, I considered doing a splash page... but thought it was
 superfluous and lacking in functionality...
 Then I considered doing something kewl in Flash... but what about the
 people out there who don't have (and don't care to acquire) that
 technology... So, I just made the home page an index and re-ordered
 things hierarchically. Still a work in progress, and still fleshing
 out ideas... Well, it seems a step in... ah... in *some* direction.
 
 Dwacon
 www.dwacon.com
 

(I'm on Mozilla 1.4b, Win2k, dual t1's)

I, for one, still haven't the foggiest idea what your site is about.  Is it a portal?  
Is it soft porn?  One thing I am clear on is it lacks cohesion and seems to want to be 
all things to all people, though primarily appealing to the lowest common 
denominator...  I checked out your page a few months ago and from what I remember, its 
pretty much the same now as it was then.   I don't like the sticky popups.  when I 
mouse over anything that has the sticky popup, the top four flash movie dissappears. 
when I mouse over the home icon on the home page I get an underline and overline 
that extends beyond the left side.  The babel fish translate image intermittently 
floats half way off the right side of my screen.  On your site navigation, some links 
have overlines, some do not... The navigation changes constantly, from page to page, 
throughout your site.  navigation labeling is inconsistent.  And to top it all off, 
your site crashed my browser when I went to the broadcast entertainment link.  I think 
you'd do well to look into general Information Architecture concepts.  What I assume 
is a lack of organization on the backend (folder structure, etc.) translates to a 
confusing front end for the user.

-Stephen

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[wdvltalk] PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread jac
Hi everyone,
I have a client who wants to send out a newsletter by email to his mailing
list, no problem there now this is where it gets strange - he spoke to a
guy who does marketing and he told my client that because a lot of people
don't want HTML emails, the better option is to do a PDF newsletter and send
it as an attachment (!?). How can this be?? Did I miss something here? So
anyway, off I went and create the newsletter in PDF and the 1 page with 1
small image  text (A4 size) is weighing in at 495Kb. Now, the large file
size maybe down to me cause Distiller wouldn't work (couldn't find the
driver or something) so I created it in Illustrator. How can I get the file
size smaller  are PDFs always on the heavy size?

Another Q: can't I just open Acrobat (not the reader) and create a PDF there
or do you always have to create it in another programme like Word and then
convert it to a PDF?

kinda confused..

jac.

ps... thanks



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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Olya_Finnegan

Hi Jac,

As far as I know, you need to get you Distiller working, because
Illustrator's PDF files are always huge (I think Illustrator treats it all
like a giant graphic). I convert a lot of meeting minutes into PDFs at
work, and usually the size is the same (if not smaller) than the Word
documents. You will need to play with settings for a bit (set it to Screen,
lower the resolution, and see what gives you the smallest file size of the
quality you want). I think there is also a setting somewhere to make the
pfs readable using older versions of Acrobat Reader.

Hope this helps a little,

Olya






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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread jac
Olga thanks - I just got it sorted - there was another option that I hadn't
noticed earlier (in my panic) Send to PDF Maker so I redid it in Word and
after testing it, it came out at 44Kb. Much more like it :o)
But what about the theory that people would prefer an email with a PDF
attachment? that sounded kinda strange to me but seeing as how the guy my
client was talking to is in marketing I thought I'd better say nothing...

cheers again
jac.

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 Hi Jac,

 As far as I know, you need to get you Distiller working, because
 Illustrator's PDF files are always huge (I think Illustrator treats it all
 like a giant graphic). I convert a lot of meeting minutes into PDFs at
 work, and usually the size is the same (if not smaller) than the Word
 documents. You will need to play with settings for a bit (set it to
Screen,
 lower the resolution, and see what gives you the smallest file size of the
 quality you want). I think there is also a setting somewhere to make the
 pfs readable using older versions of Acrobat Reader.

 Hope this helps a little,

 Olya




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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Olya_Finnegan

Jac, I have no idea about the PDF is better than HTML for emails concept
:-) Does not make a lot of sense to me - you don't need any special
programs to read HTML emails (and if they are done well, the text will
still come through even when HTML is disabled), but with PDF email the
recepient will need to have Acrobat Reader installed, I would think... Then
again, I am not in marketing, so what do I know? :-)

Olya






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[wdvltalk] RE: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Michael Milligan
Hey, Jac, I was doing something similar a while back and don't remember the
specific on the tricky Distiller issue, but I think I found the answer in
the Read Me file for Acrobat 5. It's a common problem but an easy fix as I
recall.

Best,
Mike

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Web Developer
(818) 909-9209
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Hi everyone,
I have a client who wants to send out a newsletter by email to his mailing
list, no problem there now this is where it gets strange - he spoke to a
guy who does marketing and he told my client that because a lot of people
don't want HTML emails, the better option is to do a PDF newsletter and send
it as an attachment (!?). How can this be?? Did I miss something here? So
anyway, off I went and create the newsletter in PDF and the 1 page with 1
small image  text (A4 size) is weighing in at 495Kb. Now, the large file
size maybe down to me cause Distiller wouldn't work (couldn't find the
driver or something) so I created it in Illustrator. How can I get the file
size smaller  are PDFs always on the heavy size?

Another Q: can't I just open Acrobat (not the reader) and create a PDF there
or do you always have to create it in another programme like Word and then
convert it to a PDF?

kinda confused..

jac.

ps... thanks



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[wdvltalk] selective opening by screen resolution

2003-05-30 Thread Nick Vidler
Hi all

I have been requested to open pages and select style sheets depending on
what the user has their screen resolution set at. I am under the impression
that this cannot be done from the client side. Am I right? Could it be done
from the server?

thanks


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[wdvltalk] RE: selective opening by screen resolution

2003-05-30 Thread Cheryl D. Wise
Wonder why they want you to do that? Is it to adjust the size of the
font so that it is readable on higher resolution screens or is it to
change the width of the content but keep the fonts, etc. the same size?

If it is the first reason that would aid in accessibility. If it is the
second it is a dumb idea since few people with high resolutions screens
browse full screen. I know I never do voluntarily and hate when sites
maximize my window with 'onload' scripts. In addition even those who do
browse full screen like my partner don't always have the full size of
the browser available. He's always got either his history or favorites
bar open which effectively reduces the width of his 1024 monitor to the
width of an 800x600 monitor.

It can be done but takes a combination of server side and client side
scripting and frequently causes more problems than just designing a
liquid site in the first place.

Cheryl D. Wise
Microsoft MVP
WiserWays, LLC
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I have been requested to open pages and select style sheets depending on
what the user has their screen resolution set at. I am under the
impression that this cannot be done from the client side. Am I right?
Could it be done from the server?


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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Franni Vincent
Hi everyone,
I have a client who wants to send out a newsletter by email to his mailing
list, no problem there now this is where it gets strange - he spoke to a
guy who does marketing and he told my client that because a lot of people
don't want HTML emails, the better option is to do a PDF newsletter and send
it as an attachment (!?). How can this be?? Did I miss something here? So
anyway, off I went and create the newsletter in PDF and the 1 page with 1
small image  text (A4 size) is weighing in at 495Kb. Now, the large file
size maybe down to me cause Distiller wouldn't work (couldn't find the
driver or something) so I created it in Illustrator. How can I get the file
size smaller  are PDFs always on the heavy size?
Another Q: can't I just open Acrobat (not the reader) and create a PDF there
or do you always have to create it in another programme like Word and then
convert it to a PDF?
kinda confused..

jac.

ps... thanks



The size definitely seems to depend on what you've created the 
original file in. For example I have found  that I can never get Word 
documents down to a reasonable size in pdf - usually worth the extra 
time to throw them into a  dtp program first.  I've had best success 
with Pagemaker - creating the document, then saving it as a 
postscript file,  using Distiller to convert to pdf. For some reason 
I have less trouble doing it in two steps this way, tho Pagemaker 
when it's in the mood will tie up with Distiller  do it in one 
like all these things, the greater the hurry you're in , the less the 
program co-operates...  There's a six-pager (text plus images) on our 
site which is an article my partner wrote for the IEE review which 
has been pdf'd this way,  is about 180k
http://www.mediation.co.uk/publications/learning_from_imode.pdf

I don't have Illustrator, but Freehand to pdf's what I used for the 
rhino game  xmas before last, which is A4 at about 500k, tho the 
first trial version was coming in at over 1MB  - 
http://www.mediation.co.uk/2002/images/rhinogame.pdf  ie too damn big 
to be sensible, but there's a lot of small pix there... it prints 
well scaled up to A3.  

Franni



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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Franni Vincent
I do not prefer PDF to anything more readable. If Acrobat Reader 
can't find the specified font, it provides the least readable
alternative. I often have to resize to fit my full desktop and/or do 
a lot of scrolling which people hate.
Maybe whoever told you that their people would prefer a pdf 
attachment are under the impression that viruses or trojans can't be
sent that way.

AuntySpam
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Surely it's worse in WORD - at least with Acrobat, trawling thru the 
options in distiller so that you specify embedding the fonts makes 
certain that the recipient sees the file as you want them to...

Franni

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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread edc
Personally I prefer plain text emails and certainly would not want a pdf
attachment arriving in my in box, it would  (and they do) get deleted
unread!, along with the word documents that some marketing geniuses advise
their clients to send out with 'marketing' emails.

Seriously though jac, you should sit down with your client and ask him to
seriously think about the nature of his mailing list clients.

1. Would many of them prefer plain text

2.Should there be an opt in for html email

3.How many are corporates or work for corporates who have firewalls
installed which not only reject html email but will NOT allow attachments

4.Has the client thought about the option of doing a web page [ html or pdf
available for download on line] and simply emailing the fact of the
update(s).

Michael Ensor
www.WellingtonLive.co.nz
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: Hi everyone,
: I have a client who wants to send out a newsletter by email to his mailing
: list, no problem there now this is where it gets strange - he spoke to
a
: guy who does marketing and he told my client that because a lot of people
: don't want HTML emails, the better option is to do a PDF newsletter and
send
: it as an attachment (!?). How can this be?? Did I miss something here? So
: anyway, off I went and create the newsletter in PDF and the 1 page with 1
: small image  text (A4 size) is weighing in at 495Kb. Now, the large file
: size maybe down to me cause Distiller wouldn't work (couldn't find the
: driver or something) so I created it in Illustrator. How can I get the
file
: size smaller  are PDFs always on the heavy size?
:
: Another Q: can't I just open Acrobat (not the reader) and create a PDF
there
: or do you always have to create it in another programme like Word and then
: convert it to a PDF?
:
: kinda confused..
:
: jac.
:
: ps... thanks
:
:
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[wdvltalk] Re: apache/virtual host newbie need help adding multiple domains to httpd.conf file

2003-05-30 Thread Patrick G.
Hello Marvin,
 On Thursday, May 29, 2003, 7:38:14 PM, you wrote:

MC Apologiez in advance for the long winded post.
MC I'm wondering if anyone can assist me with a problem I'm having getting
MC the default pages of the domains I've added to my httpd.conf file to

Posted below is a copy of one of my virtual sites modified
w/ the information you use for your site2. Note - I host on
a Cobalt Raq3 so some of the lines suach as the 'alias
match' may not be relevent, but should get you in the right
direction.

Also, if you are hosting your own DNS, you need to create
each site in the DNS, or for testing, create the appropriate
entries in your local hosts file. (should be /etc/hosts)

You also need to be sure you have a default page (i.e.
index.html) in each site's folder.

While I haven't been subscribed for a while, the apache
list at moongroops.com was helpful when I was starting out.

http://moongroup.com/mailman/listinfo/apache

NameVirtualHost 192.168.2.56
VirtualHost 192.168.2.56
ServerName www.domain2.com
ServerAdmin siteadmin
DocumentRoot /wwwroot/htdocs/virtual/domain2
ServerAlias domain2.com
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^192.168.2.56(:80)?$
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www.domain2.com(:80)?$
RewriteRule ^/(.*)  http://www.domain2.com/$1 [L,R]
RewriteOptions inherit
AliasMatch ^/~([^/]+)(/(.*))? /wwwroot/htdocs/virtual/domain2/users/$1/web/$3
AliasMatch ^/users/([^/]+)(/(.*))? /wwwroot/htdocs/virtual/domain2/users/$1/web/$3
AddHandler cgi-wrapper .cgi
AddHandler cgi-wrapper .pl
AddHandler server-parsed .shtml
AddTypetext/html .shtml
/VirtualHost
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HTH,

Patrick G.
(Off list replies are fine - see headers for my address)


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[wdvltalk] Re: OT - finally Online

2003-05-30 Thread Eddie Castelli
Hallo Jan, 

 --- Jan Major / Mittwoch 28.05.2003, 22:08:41
OT - finally Online


 Oh my goodness Eddie, I've opened a can of worms. It's what you
 want to happen that's important here.

Jan, this is the first time I hear about it. Do I get you right? The
files I mentioned at http://www.EddieCastelli.com/pub/dev/hp_dev/ are
Virus infected? This I hardly can imagine.

If so I like to ask others if they could check on this and let me
know. Many thanks.


 OMIF - OMCF

What does this mean?


BTW - my Provider has difficulties to manage my eMail Server. I didn't
  receive eMail since Wed. 9 PM.



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[wdvltalk] Re: OT - finally Online

2003-05-30 Thread Eddie Castelli
Hallo Jan, 

 --- Jan Major / Mittwoch 28.05.2003, 22:25:32
OT - finally Online



 don't have a clue about AW.

AW is found in the Subject line and means Antworten (eng: Reply).
  =  =
  A  W
  

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[wdvltalk] RE: selective opening by screen resolution

2003-05-30 Thread rudy
 The client thinks that it would be nice to have the same actual size
window
 and font no matter what resolution monitor.

the client is nuts

 Unfortunately, the client is always right so I might have to do this.

it is your job to educate the client

by educate, i mean this:  dear client, to do what you want will take $3000
and several weeks, but if we use liquid design with accessible font sizes so
that all monitors are automatically accommodated, it will take $500 and one
week

 Any help would be greatly appreciated.

make sure your design does not depend on the relative size of the images

the only thing you should concentrate on is the line length of text -- use
CSS to ensure that any text is no more than 40 ems (1.5 alphabets) long, and
use plenty of line-spacing

by doing this and using ems, it will not matter that your design flows as
wide as the window


rudy


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[wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size

2003-05-30 Thread Paul Larue
ooops... sorry, should read I ha.t.e to be forced with some stuff in my
mailbox instead of I ha.v.e to be forced with some stuff in my mailbox

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 From: Paul Larue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:41 PM
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 Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size


 I second #4. I have to be forced with some stuff in my mailbox.
 Give me the
 choice to decide whether or not I want to read your info. Moreover, from a
 developer's point of view, it's easier to maintain and you can more easily
 log visits and have an idea of how many hits this page got since you sent
 your mailing...

 Paul

  -Original Message-
  From: sherry young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:50 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [wdvltalk] Re: PDF file size
 
 
  As a longtime user of the internet, I vote for #4. It's the best
  of all worlds.
  S.
 
  edc wrote:
 
   Seriously though jac, you should sit down with your client and
  ask him to
   seriously think about the nature of his mailing list clients.
  
   1. Would many of them prefer plain text
  
   2.Should there be an opt in for html email
  
   3.How many are corporates or work for corporates who have firewalls
   installed which not only reject html email but will NOT allow
  attachments
  
   4.Has the client thought about the option of doing a web page [
  html or pdf
   available for download on line] and simply emailing the fact of the
   update(s).
  
   Michael Ensor
 
 
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