Re: [Wikidata] Installations of Wikibase outside Wikimedia projects

[Susanna Ånäs]

The Names Archive of the Institute for the Languages of Finland is at
nimiarkisto.fi, published, in progress.

Best
Susanna Ånäs

30.1.2018 1.20 ip. "Jens Ohlig" <jens.oh...@wikimedia.de> kirjoitti:

> Hello,
>
> I'm interested in installations of Wikibase (the software behind
> Wikidata) that are used outside Wikimedia projects. While we have
> already collected some, we are interested in getting to know more of them.
>
> Do you run an installation? Do you know of installations of Wikibase "in
> the wild"?
>
> Comments and links are much appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
> Jens
>
> --
> Jens Ohlig
> Software Communication Strategist
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
> http://wikimedia.de
>
> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann.
> Helfen Sie uns dabei!
>
> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
>
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter der Nummer 23855 B.
> Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I
> Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Who's on First

[Susanna Ånäs]

I completely and entirely support this and would like to be part of the
project.

That would push forward the idea of Wikidata as a "spinal gazetteer", a
term popularized by Humphrey Southall. I wish there are Mapzen veterans out
there who might be interested in joining the effort as well!

Cheers
Susanna Ånäs

2018-01-23 21:47 GMT+02:00 David Barratt <dbarr...@wikimedia.org>:

> Once upon a time there was an awesome maps company called Mapzen
> <https://mapzen.com/>. All of their software was open source and all
> their data sets were licensed under a free license.
>
> Sadly they are shutting down <https://mapzen.com/blog/shutdown/>.
>
> One of their projects was Who's on First <https://www.whosonfirst.org/> which
> is a gazetteer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gazetteer> of places. The
> data is a huge collection
> <https://github.com/whosonfirst-data/whosonfirst-data> of geojson files
> hosted on github.
>
> The place files include a concordance of ids in other systems... including
> Wikidata. :)
>
> Mapzen used the data in Wikidata in their Places API
> <https://mapzen.com/documentation/places/> (source code
> <https://github.com/whosonfirst/whosonfirst-www>) to translate place
> names.
>
> I'm not sure if we would have any interest in using/importing this data in
> Wikidata, but I thought I'd make more people aware of an awesome free
> license data set that needs some help now that Mapzen is going away.
>
> Thanks for everything you do!
> David Barratt
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] [Maps-l] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM+Wikidata intro video

[Susanna Ånäs]

Amazing! Great work! A missing piece. Looking forward to further
integration!

Susanna

2017-06-07 21:50 GMT+03:00 Pine W :

> Forwarding.
>
> Pine
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Yuri Astrakhan 
> Date: Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:07 PM
> Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM+Wikidata intro video
> To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list , "
> tagg...@openstreetmap.org" 
>
>
> The RDF/SPARQL database that has both OpenStreetMap and Wikidata data in
> the same table is alive and well, and getting considerable usage. To make
> it better understood by even wider community, I made an intro video with
> some examples.  This database mostly benefits the object tag validation and
> research at this moment, as its geometry support is still in the works.
>
> The wiki page has also seen a lot of cleanup, explaining how quality
> control can be done. I hope that other tools such as JOSM and especially
> MapRoulette will be able to use it directly. Also, please contribute your
> SPARQL queries to the wiki page.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDiKzbuIhts
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikidata_RDF_database
>
> ___
> talk mailing list
> t...@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
>
>
>
> ___
> Maps-l mailing list
> map...@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/maps-l
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

[Susanna Ånäs]

We will also need a coordinate transformation since all official Finnish
coordinates are in EPSG:3067. Before or in MixnMatch.

Susanna

2017-06-07 14:03 GMT+03:00 Osma Suominen :

> 07.06.2017, 13:10, Magnus Manske kirjoitti:
>
>> Does that imply coordinates in Mix'n'match? Because there is no support
>> for that yet, though I could add it. Do you have an example catalog
>> (existing or to-be-created)?
>>
>
> For YSO places, it would be possible to create a Mix'n'Match catalog where
> the majority of places have coordinates. YSO places doesn't itself contain
> coordinates, but the Finnish places within it have been mapped to the Place
> Name Registry (Paikannimirekisteri) maintained by National Land Survey of
> Finland (Maanmittauslaitos), which includes point coordinates for all
> places. So it would be possible to pick the coordinates from there for the
> 4400 or so places that have been mapped, if that helps with the linking in
> Mix'n'Match.
>
>
> -Osma
>
> --
> Osma Suominen
> D.Sc. (Tech), Information Systems Specialist
> National Library of Finland
> P.O. Box 26 (Kaikukatu 4)
> 00014 HELSINGIN YLIOPISTO
> Tel. +358 50 3199529
> osma.suomi...@helsinki.fi
> http://www.nationallibrary.fi
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

[Susanna Ånäs]

I thought of something like this:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxuJSZymOK8-R1Q0SXpmVGk3dkE/view

Susanna

2017-06-06 19:21 GMT+03:00 Alex Stinson <astin...@wikimedia.org>:

> @Sandra: are you suggesting another layer on top of something like
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikishootme/ ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Susanna Ånäs <susanna.a...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Would anyone be interested in creating a map interface for matching
>> places in Mix'n'Match?
>>
>> Just a thought...
>>
>> Susanna
>>
>> 2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+03:00 Osma Suominen <osma.suomi...@helsinki.fi>:
>>
>>> Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 17:06:
>>>
>>>> By the way, we also have multilingual labels that could perhaps
>>>> improve
>>>> the automatic matching. YSO generally has fi/sv/en, YSO places has
>>>> fi/sv. Can you make use of these too if I provided them in
>>>> additional
>>>> columns?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, mix'n'match only does single language labels.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, then I have to think which language to pick for Mix'n'Match use. For
>>> YSO, Finnish and Swedish labels are generally the best quality, but
>>> probably wouldn't produce as many automated hits as the English ones. Also
>>> it depends on who is going to do the manual matching.
>>>
>>> Any advice on this?
>>>
>>> It does redirect like this already. See e.g.
>>>> http://www.yso.fi/onto/yso/p138653
>>>>
>>>> Great! So you could bunch the "old" ones and the new places into one
>>>> list?
>>>>
>>>
>>> In principle yes, but in practice, I think it would make sense to use
>>> two lists, because the places are quite different from the general
>>> concepts. Also the matching could be more focused for the places - don't
>>> try to match with any Wikidata entity that is not a place.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Osma
>>>
>>> --
>>> Osma Suominen
>>> D.Sc. (Tech), Information Systems Specialist
>>> National Library of Finland
>>> P.O. Box 26 (Kaikukatu 4)
>>> 00014 HELSINGIN YLIOPISTO
>>> Tel. +358 50 3199529
>>> osma.suomi...@helsinki.fi
>>> http://www.nationallibrary.fi
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wikidata mailing list
>>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikidata mailing list
>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Alex Stinson
> GLAM-Wiki Strategist
> Wikimedia Foundation
> Twitter:@glamwiki/@sadads
>
> Learn more about how the communities behind Wikipedia, Wikidata and other
> Wikimedia projects partner with cultural heritage organizations:
> http://glamwiki.org
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Mix'n'Match with existing (indirect) mappings

[Susanna Ånäs]

Would anyone be interested in creating a map interface for matching places
in Mix'n'Match?

Just a thought...

Susanna

2017-06-06 17:17 GMT+03:00 Osma Suominen :

> Magnus Manske kirjoitti 06.06.2017 klo 17:06:
>
>> By the way, we also have multilingual labels that could perhaps
>> improve
>> the automatic matching. YSO generally has fi/sv/en, YSO places has
>> fi/sv. Can you make use of these too if I provided them in additional
>> columns?
>>
>> Sorry, mix'n'match only does single language labels.
>>
>
> Ok, then I have to think which language to pick for Mix'n'Match use. For
> YSO, Finnish and Swedish labels are generally the best quality, but
> probably wouldn't produce as many automated hits as the English ones. Also
> it depends on who is going to do the manual matching.
>
> Any advice on this?
>
> It does redirect like this already. See e.g.
>> http://www.yso.fi/onto/yso/p138653
>>
>> Great! So you could bunch the "old" ones and the new places into one list?
>>
>
> In principle yes, but in practice, I think it would make sense to use two
> lists, because the places are quite different from the general concepts.
> Also the matching could be more focused for the places - don't try to match
> with any Wikidata entity that is not a place.
>
>
> -Osma
>
> --
> Osma Suominen
> D.Sc. (Tech), Information Systems Specialist
> National Library of Finland
> P.O. Box 26 (Kaikukatu 4)
> 00014 HELSINGIN YLIOPISTO
> Tel. +358 50 3199529
> osma.suomi...@helsinki.fi
> http://www.nationallibrary.fi
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Importing translated names of important cities

[Susanna Ånäs]

Hi! Seems like a superb project! I see no reason why the import should be
carried out by a non-paid volunteer. Having it done by one person as
opposed to many will keep the the data quality consistent.

I would be happy if this experience would get logged / reported in  WikiProject
Historical Place
<https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Historical_Place>. This
info is not necessarily historical in nature, but any experiences guiding
the place name practices would be highly valuable. - If necessary, a
generic place name project could be initiated.

Cheers
Susanna Ånäs

2016-11-24 13:20 GMT+02:00 Arun Ganesh <arun.plane...@gmail.com>:

> Those interested in translations of world places, please give your
> feedback on this discussion [1]. There is a dataset of professionally
> translated list of world places [2] that has already been through a round
> of independent review by native language speakers and is open to be used to
> improve Wikidata.
>
> 331 places were translated into 8 languages. Of the 2,648 translations
> that were received, 1148 are new or differ from existing label
> translations, while 1508 match perfectly with existing labels.
>
> From the discussion so far it seems like the next steps would be to get
> the translators to update the Wikidata entries from their own accounts with
> a paid contribution disclaimer as per [3]. The other option is to get
> community members in each language to once again do a review and update the
> corresponding labels. Any suggestions of which is the recommended way to go
> about this?
>
> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#
> Data_donation_of_translated_place_names
> [2] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SKVi9PZ_
> 1ebxwWJAGshLQvkrJ5esOUwPHEkkj-LMr7w/edit#gid=1482753214
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Paid-contribution_disclosure
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

[Wikidata] Database to use with a microhistory wiki project

[Susanna Ånäs]

The Wikidocumentaries project is planning to create a wiki that will have
articles about microhistory - places and people. The article topics will be
created based on entries in Wikidata, and the content will be mashed up
from content in Wikimedia projects and other open repositories. The content
would be enriched with additional, more personal material that is not
suited for Wikimedia projects. Whenever suitable, the wiki would also work
the other way, providing data and content to Wikimedia projects.

The wiki itself is going to be a hub for citizen history, offering tools to
work with documents (transcription, identification, georeferencing etc) and
user generated remixes (storymaps, slideshows etc.).

I am willing to open this idea for discussion and ask your advice. I would
like to know if you have experiences with Semantic MediaWiki to evaluate if
it is suitable for being the database for indexing linked content, or how
would Wikibase play out.

The project is being prepared by a small working group and a group of
Finnish project partners. There's not much to link to yet, but I will be
happy to tell as much more as is possible.

Best,

Susanna Ånäs
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] Terms - search for corresponding WD-item and WP-article

[Susanna Ånäs]

Hi all

We are proposing GLAMpipe for a Wikimedia grant right now
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/GLAMpipe>. GLAMpipe is a
data import, manipulation and export tool. It can read a set of files,
APIs, tabular data etc., manipulate it (split, merge, format, make
lookups...) and export as files or to web services like Wikimedia Commons
or Wikidata.

We are applying for funding to create a Wikidata manipulation and export
node:

"New nodes for transforming data for Wikidata will be created. The
transformation node needs to take into account the triplet data structure,
be able to map data to Wikidata and format appropriately. The Wikidata
export node takes transformed data hash as parameter, makes sanity checks
for it and saves it to Wikidata. The export node checks that there are no
duplicate values and merges statement to existing ones if possible. The
export node is made using a Widar-like OAuth interface and plans to share
its code."

The kind of matching described here is what we aim to cater for.

We'd be enormously happy if you decided to endorse the project!

Cheers
Susanna Ånäs

2016-10-14 13:17 GMT+03:00 Sandra Fauconnier <sandra.fauconn...@gmail.com>:

> What you are encountering here, is a major bottleneck and timesuck for any
> data import into Wikidata. Matching external lists of concepts (names of
> people, places, buildings, whatever) from external datasets correctly with
> the right Wikidata items is a thing that always takes me hours and hours
> and hours of work.
>
> In order to solve it, we need a working and user-friendly reconciliation
> tool that is integrated into a common data management platform (i.e.
> OpenRefine, and would also be fantastic to have it for Google Spreadsheets).
>
> Magnus has developed a basic API for it
> <https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-reconcile/>, but a working and
> user-friendly interface in one of those tools mentioned above is the
> missing link.
>
> I want to emphasize again that there is a bounty (money!) to be earned
> <https://www.bountysource.com/issues/985941-implement-wikidata-reconciliation-was-freebase>
>  for
> those who develop this for OpenRefine.
>
> I have outlined the task in Phabricator too. https://phabricator.
> wikimedia.org/T146740
>
> Just putting this out here to give it attention again. It is such an
> important missing link in the workflow of anyone who wants to import data
> into Wikidata.
> I’m so desperate for it that I’m considering to collect funding and then
> hire an external developer to make it, but of course it would be best if it
> would be developed and maintained from within our community ;-)
>
> Greetings, Sandra
>
> On 13 Oct 2016, at 11:16, Markus Bärlocher <markus.baerloc...@lau-net.de>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> This is a lighthouse case for my Google Sheets add-on
>
>
> Great tool - thanks!
> And more great tools included there :-)
>
> just add new terms to the "Terms" column, everything else fills
> automagically.
>
>
> I checked the first results by hand:
> 30% of the found WP-articles are specific helpful
> 70% of the URLs lead to not concordant content
>
> My idea:
> A "reliability index" may be could help?
>
> (1. handy approved accordance of Term and WP-article)
> 2. Term and Lemma identical
> 3. Term and section title identical
> 4. all words in Term found in Lemma
> 5. all words in Term found in section title
> 6. Term found as string in article text
>
> But I have no idea how to do this myself:
> https://github.com/tomayac/wikipedia-tools-for-google-
> spreadsheets/issues/11
>
> Best regards,
> Markus
>
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

[Wikidata] Check out and endorse the GLAMpipe project!

[Susanna Ånäs]

GLAMpipe metadata manipulation & upload tool is an extensible, open source
web-application for cultural metadata. It is aimed for data-savvy
wikimedians and data partners. It gives the user the power of bots without
the need to code.

Nodes are the building blocks of the data flow. A node can act as a data
source, it can split, combine, create wikitext or process data in other
ways, and a node can export data to files or web services like Wikimedia
Commons or Wikidata. Nodes can be created, altered and shared by the users,
making it possible to build upon work by others.

We are applying for a grant from the Wikimedia Foundation to create an
online, collaborative version and the nodes for preparing and importing
data to Wikidata. Read more about the project, and endorse it at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/GLAMpipe

Best regards,
Ari, Kimmo and Susanna
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] talking about time

[Susanna Ånäs]

I am interested in this topic, spatiotemporal definition of places.

Can we set up a task force that would collect best practices and see if
something is missing in Wikidata for describing historical places?

There are several academic projects that can contribute to this.
- Finnish spatiotemporal ontology SAPO

- Wikidata as a gazetteer / Humphrey Southall / PastPlace

- TopoTime / Karl Grossner, Elijah Meeks

- Pelagios 3 

and there are many more

Best,
Susanna

2016-01-19 19:54 GMT+02:00 Info WorldUniversity <
i...@worlduniversityandschool.org>:

> Hi Sandra, Sjoerd and Wikidatans,
>
> In what ways would it be possible to add particular place
> qualifiers/claims/properties (incorporating Wikidata Geodata) to be linked
> with new time claims you suggest such as seasons or quarters ... for
> eventual use in an eventual film-realistic, 3D, interactive,
> group-build-able wiki virtual earth?
>
> Greetings, Scott
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Sjoerd de Bruin 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> For between dates, we have https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1319
>> (earliest date) and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1326 (latest
>> date) as qualifiers. You can set the claim itself on century or whatever
>> then. You can also use P1326 for before dates, I think. Seasons is another
>> thing, I think we need a new property for that. Same for quarters.
>>
>> But I agree, it should be great if this was integrated more. Showing
>> better suggestions before saving is another thing that could help.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Sjoerd
>>
>> Op 18 jan. 2016, om 22:03 heeft Sandra Fauconnier <
>> sandra.fauconn...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I do lots of edits related to artworks. Many artworks (and, I assume,
>> many other things) are dated in the following ways:
>>
>> 1. 'between 1850 and 1899’ - on Wikidata that could be ’18. century’
>> (yep, needs to be written like that) with qualifiers start date and end
>> date ?
>> 2. ‘between 1784 and 1787’ - on Wikidata ‘1780s’ with qualifiers?
>> 3. ‘between 1878 and 1904 - on Wikidata... hm?
>>
>> I was wondering: can’t we express this without needing any qualifiers at
>> all?
>>
>> We can enter units as ‘320 cm plus/minus 7 cm’, right?
>> Might we also be able to say ‘1898 plus/minus six years’?
>>
>> I can imagine we’d then also have an interface that helps you enter a
>> ‘between date x and date y’ elegantly without needing to do any math.
>>
>> Or would that not be possible?
>> I think it would be great to have, as it would make our dating
>> conceptually much more accurate IMO.
>>
>> Curious what others think.
>> Best, Sandra (User:Spinster)
>>
>> p.s. On Commons we have an {{Other date}} template that’s used very
>> frequently, that allows rich time/date expressions, and that I really love.
>> Here’s the documentation:
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Other_date
>>
>> Besides this ‘between’ concept, it also has, among other things
>> * before (date) or after (date) - also very common!
>> * seasons - you can say ‘Spring 1986’
>> * first/last half/quarter (year, decade, century) etc
>> Some might not be translatable to a period as I suggested above, but some
>> may.
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikidata mailing list
>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikidata mailing list
>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President
>
> - http://worlduniversityandschool.org
>
> - 415 480 4577
>
> - PO Box 442, (86 Ridgecrest Road), Canyon, CA 94516
>
> - World University and School - like Wikipedia with best STEM-centric
> OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in
> California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization.
>
>
> World University and School is sending you this because of your interest
> in free, online, higher education. If you don't want to receive these,
> please reply with 'unsubscribe' in the body of the email, leaving the
> subject line intact. Thank you.
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata] What would be the best way to make a Reasonator-like WiDaR list by querying

[Susanna Ånäs]

Thank you for the answers!

Magnus: I would be really happy to have the functionality in one of them. I
wasn't familiar with the Dynamic lists, it seems handy!

James: I have not yet started with SPARQL but I cannot wait to get started.
It will make a lot of sense to make a really complex query and then edit
the items with the handy update tools.

And yes. I have been planning to challenge Finnish GLAMmers to indulge in
Wikidata by adding the "official", settled labels for well-known paintings.
Art historians and curators know them best.

Thanks for your help!

Susanna

2015-11-17 16:23 GMT+02:00 James Heald <j.he...@ucl.ac.uk>:

> Hi Susanna,
>
> Here is a query for paintings with no label in Finnish:
>
>
> PREFIX wikibase: <http://wikiba.se/ontology#>
> PREFIX wd: <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/>
> PREFIX wdt: <http://www.wikidata.org/prop/direct/>
> PREFIX rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>
>
> SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel ?creatorLabel WHERE {
>   ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q3305213 .
>   ?item wdt:P170 ?creator .
>   FILTER NOT EXISTS {?item rdfs:label ?item_label filter
> (lang(?item_label) = "fi")}
>
>   SERVICE wikibase:label {
>  bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" .
>   }
>
> } LIMIT 1000
>
>
> You can run it on the query editor here: http://tinyurl.com/olosxow
>
> but to work with Reasonator, a nicer thing to do is to paste the query
> text into PagePile,
>https://tools.wmflabs.org/pagepile/?menu=new
>
> and then once you have created the pile, choose "Autolist 2" from the
> drop-down list of tools to use the list in, and then hit "Run" on the
> Autolist page that comes up, and that will give you the list with links to
> Reasonator (the little coloured gear icon).
>
> As far as I know, there is no way to get Reasonator to step through a list
> of pages automatically, but if you go down the list from Autolist in groups
> of ten, right-clicking each Reasonator link into a new tab, then you should
> be able fairly efficiently to do the Reasonator stuff all together, before
> going back and opening another ten tabs, etc.
>
>
> One question: will you need to know the "official" name of the painting in
> Finnish ?
>
> I know there were some people on de-wiki who got unhappy when some labels
> were added in German that were volunteers' individual translations, which
> they weren't sure matched the usual attested German name for the work (so
> looked quite strange on an auto-generated page presenting the artist's
> works).
>
> Is that going to be a concern?  Or is there a fairly standard vocabulary
> for transposing the names of works?
>
> (I suppose another option would be to modify the query slightly, to just
> give a list of one artist's works with no Finnish label; and then compare
> that to a reference list in Finnish, which may exist for some of the more
> prominent artists.)
>
> All best,
>
>   --  James.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17/11/2015 10:28, Susanna Ånäs wrote:
>
>> I would like to display lists of untranslated painting names by Finnish
>> painters, or missing labels in strange languages. Using the magnificent
>> WiDaR hover featured in Reasonator and a language fallback, the task would
>> be enjoyable. Is there a way?
>>
>> Susanna
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Wikidata mailing list
>> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>>
>>
>
> ___
> Wikidata mailing list
> Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata
>
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

[Wikidata] What would be the best way to make a Reasonator-like WiDaR list by querying

[Susanna Ånäs]

I would like to display lists of untranslated painting names by Finnish
painters, or missing labels in strange languages. Using the magnificent
WiDaR hover featured in Reasonator and a language fallback, the task would
be enjoyable. Is there a way?

Susanna
___
Wikidata mailing list
Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] OpenStreetMap + Wikidata

[Susanna Ånäs]

I have been fostering the idea of Wikidata as a historical gazetteer, a
place (name) index. Wikidata would be capable of modelling how streets
change name or how municipalities are split or merged or link to changing
geometries over time etc.

Happy to hear this discussed!

Susanna



2015-03-10 16:47 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com:

 What about bus stops?

 Jo

 2015-03-10 15:37 GMT+01:00 aude aude.w...@gmail.com:

 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Amir E. Aharoni 
 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 Hi,

 [ Aude and Christian Consonni, this should especially interest you. ]

 I was throwing around ideas with a friend about how OpenStreetMap could
 be integrated with Wikidata.

 The thing that I care the most in any software is internationalization.
 Having a map in which all labels of towns, streets and everything else is
 translated to all languages sounds like a super-wonderful thing.

 Wikidata allows labeling everything, translating everything, and
 attaching properties to everything, so it sounds like it could be a good
 match.

 But then the question of what IS everything came up. Wikidata was
 created mostly with Wikipedia in mind, so Wikipedia's notability policies
 influenced Wikidata. Roughly, Wikidata has items for every thing about
 which there is, or can be, a Wikipedia article and for things that are
 useful, or if it fulfills some structural need
 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability.

 Towns obviously have or can a Wikipedia article about them, but probably
 not every street or shop.


 At minimum, supporting Wikivoyage is within scope of Wikidata, so imho
 items for shops would be ok. (at least the ones that would be used in
 Wikivoyage)

 I am not sure about streets... maybe, it depends and is up to the
 community (what extent we want them) and scalability (technical and
 community) might be considerations.  As well, in Wikidata, we want
 references.

 For the OSM use case, for streets, I think the osm name tags are
 sufficient. Transliteration of street names definitely makes sense, but
 maybe can be autogenerated?

 In some cases multilingual (e.g. in Brussels), actual translations might
 be desired, and think osm supports that adequately.

 Katie



 But do they fulfill a structural need or is it way too much?

 If it's way too much, how can this be bridged, or federated, or whatever
 the current popular word is? I don't even know exactly how does OSM store
 labels and translations now, but it sounds like another instance of
 Wikibase, if not Wikidata itself, can be used for it.

 I don't have much to add, but I'd love to hear ideas from people who do
 (again, Aude and Christian Consonni, I'm looking at you :) ).

 --
 Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
 http://aharoni.wordpress.com
 ‪“We're living in pieces,
 I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




 --
 @wikimediadc / @wikidata

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
@ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData for Research Project Idea: Structured History

[Susanna Ånäs]

There is very interesting and relevant work done by a group of scholars
about modeling time for recording historical events as structured data.
Please have a look at http://dh.stanford.edu/topotime/ and
http://perio.do/narrative/.

I am following the discussion related to the development of the
http://www.openhistoricalmap.org/ at
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic. In my mind, it would be
a good idea to keep in sync with and provide insight into the other open
projects for historical data, in this case geodata. The question of
standards is being discussed right now :)

Best,
Susanna

2014-12-30 19:45 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 The Wikipedia article on the subject has probably most if not all relevant
 details..
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 30 December 2014 at 16:39, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hoi,
 The most important people, as far as Wikidata is concerned, are the
 Wikidata developers. As long as they indicate that the software conforms to
 the standard we are good.

 There is no problem in them having the standard and publishing what is
 expected of the use of timestamps and time diffs/
 Thanks,
  GerardM

 On 29 December 2014 at 18:00, Paul Houle ontolo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gerard,  tell me about it.

 It's hard to find anyone who has even seen ISO 8601 so there is not
 general compatibility between tools that accept ISO 8601 (date)?(times?);
  the xsd:datetime (defined mainly as a restriction of ISO 8601) is closer
 to an open standard,  but people aren't so sure about extra digits in the
 date fields,  but maybe we will need them to deal with the year 1
 problem.

 IEEE 744 is a similar scandal since it hasn't been read by most
 developers,  particularly systems developers,  so it is unlikely that FP
 operations in your favorite language are completely conformant.

 Now IEEE does have the Get802 program which lets you get slightly aged
 documents for networking standards and ISO does release the occasional
 standard for free such as ISO 20222 but there is a big difference between
 those two and the other organizations like the OMG,  W3C,  IETF,  and FIPS
 that publish standards for free and manage to somehow pay the bills.

 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
 gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hoi.
 The fact that ISO has its standards behind a paywall is its shame.
 However, it does not necessarily imply anything about the use of the
 standard.
 Thanks,
  Gerard

 NB a paywall seriously hampers acceptance of standards

 On 29 December 2014 at 12:20, Jeff Thompson j...@thefirst.org wrote:

  The ISO standard for CIDOC CRM is behind a pay wall with a patent
 notice. Can it be used in an open knowledge system?


 On 2014-12-29 9:49, Dov Winer wrote:

  Hi Sam,

  CIDOC/CRM is the ontology of choice for Structured History
 as it is anchored on modelling events.

  An excellent project based on it is the ResearchSpace from
 the British Museum.
 See:
 http://www.researchspace.org/
 http://www.researchspace.org/home/rsandcrm
 http://cidoc-crm.org/

  Enjoy,
 Dov


 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing 
 listWikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




 --
 Paul Houle
 Expert on Freebase, DBpedia, Hadoop and RDF
 (607) 539 6254paul.houle on Skype   ontolo...@gmail.com
 http://legalentityidentifier.info/lei/lookup

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
@ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

[Susanna Ånäs]

Hi!

I would like to do advocacy for taking advantage of Wikidata to
wikimedians, researchers, the public sector and GLAMs (and others), but I
lack the tools and methods to do so.

Wikimedians: Very few wikimedians in our country participate in the
Wikidata community. There is not a local community to plan training with.
There is reluctance in the Wikipedia community to learn and use Wikidata,
because it is not mature enough to replace old practices. How can we learn
together? What benefit should be emphasized?

Researchers and public sector: What should the promise be? Should the
emphasis be on referring to Wikidata or producing data to it? Are there any
workflows that could be promoted? How can we support if we cannot master it
ourselves? Who could train us?

GLAMs: I know this is in the making and baking and it's premature to ask
for guidelines.

All in all: Help us learn and train others! We are at your disposal for
that.

Cheers,
Susanna



2014-10-12 11:01 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 The complaint that Wikidata serves an in-crowd is something that I feel is
 correct. It follows from being overly interested in the academic side of
 things. All the work by the professional developers is for esoteric things
 and much if not most of the work does not translate into things that
 benefit the people who are actually involved in Wikidata. To add insult to
 injury when the argument is made that users will benefit from particular
 improvements those improvements are denied typically because of secondary
 use considerations. This is why we do not have automated descriptions for
 instance. Recently the format of the dump changed but only secondary use of
 Wikidata benefits. A lot of work was done on query but in 10 months we have
 not seen any result. When the featured article functionality was
 introduced it was not by WMDE developers, the same is true for the label
 lister, the order of available labels ...

 So far official Wikidata development is mainly backroom work. Maybe
 important, but because of the lack of interest in the user experience and
 productivity there is no idea and probably no interest and expertise in how
 to make the regular editors and the noobs happy and productive. It is not
 as if there is no example how it could be. The tools by Magnus serve
 EXACTLY the same data to a user. They are intended for use by people and
 they do generate a lot of contributions. These tools are only hampered by
 the lack of stability of the labs environment however they do provide a
 user centred experience.

 I salute the fact that Wikidata wants to become more user friendly but it
 starts with understanding what people need and how people work. The agenda
 for these things could make it easy and obvious for people to move with the
 flow of change. There may be moments when there is a break with standard
 practices for technical considerations.That will not happen often when the
 focus is on the use of Wikidata.

 I have stopped arguing about Wikidata development and user experience
 because every time other considerations have the priority. For me many of
 the features of the Reasonator are must have for Wikidata. The most urgent
 one is that we ALWAYS see a label in whatever language. I do recognise
 English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Polish etc names. Why have
 numbers when there is no label in Dutch? This one feature alone prevents
 people from using Wikidata in the the 270+ other languages Wikidata
 supports.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 12 October 2014 04:01, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 For more than a year I am asking users to add their articles to Wikidata
 when they have written it. That seems succesful, they added their articles
 more and more and did understand how to do that. Until recently. Now I get
 more and more complaints from users that they do not understand any more
 how to add a newly written article to an item. They seem to have tried, but
 fail in actual getting it managed. That is a worse development!

 Romaine

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
@ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Join our Structured Data QA on IRC - Thu. Oct. 16 at 18:00 UTC

[Susanna Ånäs]

On the Amsterdam hackathon page it says the event is by invitation only.
Is it OK for our chapter to send a representative, even though we have not
received an invitation?

Best regards,
Susanna Ånäs

2014-10-08 17:59 GMT+03:00 Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org:

 Greetings!

 We invite you to join our next Structured Data QA on IRC office hours
 next Thursday, Oc. 16, at 18:00 UTC.

 Our Multimedia team and the Wikidata team will be on hand for this
 discussion, as well as some of the community volunteers who are helping
 guide this project, such as Multichill and TheDJ.

 During this hour-long IRC chat, we will discuss our next steps for this
 Structured Data project, and give you an update on our bootcamp in Berlin. 
 Please
 RSVP here, so we know who plans to attend:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data#Discussions

 Early next week, we will update our Structured Data pages with our latest
 work on this project, and send another email to invite you to review them.

 And if you are based in Europe, we also invite you to join the Amsterdam
 Hackathon on November 14-16 , 2014. Many of us will be at this event, and
 plan to give more updates as well as do some hacking together. You
 can register here:

 https://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forms/d/1Gpvz3BH5Y4dqSIiwv2HE_X8fOP8EiwJyEZ2WB7g94lQ/viewform

 Please spread the word in your community, and invite them to join this
 chat, and/or the hackathon.

 We look forward to a productive discussions with many of you tomorrow.

 Regards as ever,


 Fabrice — for the Structured Data team

 ___

 Fabrice Florin
 Product Manager, Multimedia
 Wikimedia Foundation

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Fabrice_Florin_(WMF)




 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l




-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
@ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!

[Susanna Ånäs]

Hi John,

After all this trouble it seems there is a possibility that no-one more
savvy than us locals are coming to the Avoin Suomi 2014 fair. This is
unfortunate bad logistics. But I would be happy to continue the thought of
a presentation together with you.

The workshop would be postponed as well, but cancelling the presentation on
site at this occasion will let us realize it at a later event. Would you be
interested?

I contacted Stryn. He would not be able to attend either, but he would join
a separate event at a different time.

Best regards,

Susanna


2014-08-02 18:35 GMT+03:00 John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:

 Sounds very interesting.  I could cover my own costs, but the distance
 and time is a killer at short notice.  When do you need to know by?

 If nothing else, I would be very happy to help prepare the presentation.

 There appear to be two Finnish-specific properties,


 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=property%3Afinnishtitle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go

 One of which is the Jufo ID, which is their research publication
 tracking system used for their national research evaluation program,
 and it would be nice to see them embrace open data for that exercise.

 I havent populated that property yet, but it would be easy to do.
 Once that is done, comparisons can be made to the research evaluation
 systems in other countries that also have data in Wikidata, such as
 Norway and Australia.

 I have CC'd user:Stryn and User:Fnielsen
 (http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~faan/), and onwiki notified User:Stryn just in
 case.

 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi
 wrote:
  Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present
  Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September
 15–16.
  The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in collaboration
 with
  several public sector actors and open knowledge organizations.
 
  Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and
  education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata.
 
  To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to
  arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event.
 
  The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a
  requirement.
 
  Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may
  forward this to a person you know might be interested.
 
  Looking forward to talking with you!
 
  Susanna
 
 
  --
  Susanna Ånäs Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
  Wikimedia Suomi – Wikimaps – GLAM
  @WMFinland / Facebook / Liity jäseneksi!
 
  ___
  Wikidata-l mailing list
  Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
 



 --
 John Vandenberg

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!

[Susanna Ånäs]

Thanks John,

Great pointers and ideas!

I'll be happy to welcome your contributions. Remote preparation may sound
sensible because of the distance.

I will be in London next week, so the schedule may well span over that time.

Talk to you soon,
Susanna

lauantai 2. elokuuta 2014 John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com kirjoitti:

 Sounds very interesting.  I could cover my own costs, but the distance
 and time is a killer at short notice.  When do you need to know by?

 If nothing else, I would be very happy to help prepare the presentation.

 There appear to be two Finnish-specific properties,


 https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?search=property%3Afinnishtitle=Special%3ASearchgo=Go

 One of which is the Jufo ID, which is their research publication
 tracking system used for their national research evaluation program,
 and it would be nice to see them embrace open data for that exercise.

 I havent populated that property yet, but it would be easy to do.
 Once that is done, comparisons can be made to the research evaluation
 systems in other countries that also have data in Wikidata, such as
 Norway and Australia.

 I have CC'd user:Stryn and User:Fnielsen
 (http://www.imm.dtu.dk/~faan/), and onwiki notified User:Stryn just in
 case.

 On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 12:09 AM, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi
 wrote:
  Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present
  Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September
 15–16.
  The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in collaboration
 with
  several public sector actors and open knowledge organizations.
 
  Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and
  education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata.
 
  To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to
  arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event.
 
  The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a
  requirement.
 
  Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may
  forward this to a person you know might be interested.
 
  Looking forward to talking with you!
 
  Susanna
 
 
  --
  Susanna Ånäs Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
  Wikimedia Suomi – Wikimaps – GLAM
  @WMFinland / Facebook / Liity jäseneksi!
 
  ___
  Wikidata-l mailing list
  Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
 



 --
 John Vandenberg

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!

[Susanna Ånäs]

They should have rescheduled if that was known beforehand! :)

Ping me when you are here.

Cheers,
Susanna


2014-08-02 21:32 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:

 Susanna Ånäs, 02/08/2014 16:09:
  Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present
  Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September
 15–16.

 Nice! Too bad I'll leave Finland on the 11th.

 Nemo

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!

[Susanna Ånäs]

Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present
Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September
15–16. The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in
collaboration with several public sector actors and open knowledge
organizations.

Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and
education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata.

To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to
arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event.

The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a
requirement.

Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may
forward this to a person you know might be interested.

Looking forward to talking with you!

Susanna


-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
@ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland https://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] Come to present Wikidata in Finland!

[Susanna Ånäs]

Wouldn't that be great!

Will you be in London for Wikimania? We could have a look at the details
there.

I will not close the call just yet, if a Finnish Wikidata person is
interested and could also join.

Best,
Susanna



2014-08-02 17:31 GMT+03:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 I would be interested.
 Thanks,
  GerardM


 On 2 August 2014 16:09, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi wrote:

 Wikimedia Finland calls for a Wikidata developer/advocate to present
 Wikidata at Avoin Suomi 2014 fair http://avoinsuomi2014.fi/ September
 15–16. The event is organized by the Prime Minister's Office in
 collaboration with several public sector actors and open knowledge
 organizations.

 Wikimedia Finland has a booth, and will present projects in GLAM and
 education, and the Wikimedia sister projects with focus on Wikidata.

 To take advantage of the presence of the skilled wikidatan, we plan to
 arrange a Wikidata hands-on workshop before or after the event.

 The closer you are to Finland the better, but Finnish language is not a
 requirement.

 Please contact susanna.a...@wikimedia.fi if you are interested. You may
 forward this to a person you know might be interested.

 Looking forward to talking with you!

 Susanna


 --
 *Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
 Wikimedia Suomi http://wikimedia.fi/ – Wikimaps
 http://wikimaps.wikimedia.fi/ – GLAM
 http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM
 @ https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinland
 https://twitter.com/WMFinland / Facebook
 https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity jäseneksi!
 http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi

 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l


___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Susanna Ånäs]

There is interaction between Wikidata, the OHM, the historians working with
gazetteers, LOD researchers and Jochen Topf  Tim Alder's work. The
Wikimaps project is trying to stay abreast of the development to build on
that.

I think also that Wikidata will lead the way and will offer a crowdsourced
platform for place names across times. The open questions would be related
to the choice of labels when displaying, while Wikidata itself would be
able to store many different names, languages and alternatives.

Discussion is needed for the modelling, eg. if a place is one entity with
changing properties or if a place is a linked continuum of separate places.
What properties to store, how to link? How can the data be linked to say
OSM DB entities? Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing
only important places?

So, in short, the most natural site for discussion is the wikidata-l list
(now cc:d)

Best,
Susanna Ånäs
wikimaps.wikimedia.fi


2014-03-19 22:59 GMT+02:00 Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org:

 It's great to have such things mapped, but it does need care.

 In this field Jochen Topf coded Multilingual Map Test together back in
 2012. You might ask him to add Finnish to the languages offered.

 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-November/065312.html

 Here's part of Poland, shown with German labels:


 http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=7lat=52.57802lon=19.11621layers=B0Tlang=de

 While the larger cities have well-known and current German names that are
 uncontroversial -- Warschau, Posen, Breslau, etc. -- many small towns and
 villages would only have been given German names during the Third Reich.

 It is therefore contentious to use the name:de tag for these places,
 unless one is making a map of occupied Poland during WW2. The naming was a
 political act, and most of the names were not used by Germans, even those
 living in the vicinity, before 1939 or after 1945. Taking politics out of
 it, perhaps one could use the date to indicate when the name was in use,
 thus a key of name:de(1939-1945).

 It would be good to speak to historians who specialize in this area.

 - L

 On 19 Mar 2014, at 20:37, Chris Helenius chris.helen...@gmail.com wrote:

 How are historical place names from annexed countries regarded? Or put in
 another way; when does a name no longer exist?

 In the case on Finland, which lost Karelia to Russia in the 1950s,
 hundreds of place names were translated and are now officially Russian,
 with the Finnish population gone.
 Former place names could nevertheless be of historical value (e.g. to see
 the geographical extent of the language), as physical historical features
 are.

 The question is, does a name disappear when it is no longer used? Larger
 cities are still called by their Finnish names in a Finnish context, so
 would towns and villages be any different? Or when they are deserted?

 There is also the unignorable issue of geopolitics, as there are still
 tensions between the countries.
 There is no shortage of geographical naming disputes (
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Geographical_naming_disputes),
 and wikipedians themselves had a row over geographical names. (
 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/02/05/China_Japan_Wikipedia_War_Senkaku_Diaoyu?page=full
 )
 I can imagine how the naming could be seen having a political agenda.

 For what it's worth, my agenda is only historical, although I can't shrug
 off my national bias.
 Before I go and add name:fi= place-names, I'd like to hear what the
 community thinks of this.

 Chris Helenius
 ___
 Historic mailing list
 histo...@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic



 ___
 Historic mailing list
 histo...@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic


___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Susanna Ånäs]

Andrew: I think this is key to making Wikidata suitable for a historical
gazetteer. Andy was referring to changes allowing names/labels with dates.
Will there be such?

Susanna


2014-03-20 15:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:



  Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
 
  Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a
  bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that
  says historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45), but this would be
  shown as a historic name in Polish, German, English, Chinese...


 maybe that's not a problem as this was indeed the official name in that
 time?

 cheers,
 Martin
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OSM-talk] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Susanna Ånäs]

I'm picking up points from this discussion and adding them to a Trello
board in https://trello.com/b/uXP9JmSP/wikimaps-gazetteer at
https://trello.com/wikimaps. Feel free to participate!

Susanna


2014-03-20 15:30 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com:

 Andrew: I think this is key to making Wikidata suitable for a historical
 gazetteer. Andy was referring to changes allowing names/labels with dates.
 Will there be such?

 Susanna


 2014-03-20 15:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:



  Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
 :
 
  Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a
  bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that
  says historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45), but this would be
  shown as a historic name in Polish, German, English, Chinese...


 maybe that's not a problem as this was indeed the official name in that
 time?

 cheers,
 Martin



___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Susanna Ånäs]

I sense a bit of consensus even across the projects. I think both options
have their pros and cons:

An independent project will require a lot of MediaWiki related knowledge
that is not necessarily found in an initial group of interested
individuals. Or combined OSM, MediaWiki  Wikidata knowledge, which may be
even more sparse. It would be more relaxed in regard to rules and
guidelines. Could it be re-integrated to Wikidata later, or would it run to
in-evident oblivion?

An integrated path would require complying to all guidelines eg. re:
notability. It would cause a lot of waiting time for reaching consensus
while defining properties - which is also needed in an independent project.
Once consensus would be achieved, the development could be fast. There
would be continuous maintenance and development in relation to the main
Wikidata project. This option would require a lot of negotiating between
the Wikimedia project/community, the OSM/OHM project/community and also
those who have done research on the topics outside these projects. It might
prove impossible. In the end, the data would be more easily integrated to
other kinds of data, and adopted outside the project for reuse.

Are you going to be in the Zürich hackathon to discuss this?

Susanna


2014-03-20 17:28 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com:

 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen 
 gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:

 Given that we want to collaborate with openstreetmap we could host it for
 them

 I like the idea of a Wikibase-powered OSM data repository, it is a pity
 that the WM Incubator is only for language versions of existing projects
 and not for new projects... OTOH, since Wikidata is (or is supposed to be)
 language-agnostic, couldn't we argue that domain-specific data projects are
 to wikidata what language editions are to wikipedia?

 I wonder how hard would be to set-up a labs Wikibase instance for OSM
 developers to experiment with it? Or even if it would be enough interest?

 Thanks,
 Micru



 ___
 Wikidata-l mailing list
 Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l


___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

Re: [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Susanna Ånäs]

This notability guideline for geographic features, both current and
historical, will indeed be a cornestone for building upon Wikidata!

It would not include all man-made structures yet, but I hope that would be
the trend.

I hope we can develop tools and technologies to bridge the data between
OSM/OHM and Wikidata.

Susanna


2014-03-20 11:51 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

 On 20 March 2014 06:58, Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com wrote:

 [Snip other interesting stuff; CCs again trimmed]

  Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only important
  places?

 English Wikipedia has a de facto guideline of considering any
 settlement which is on a reliable and independent map or gazetteer to
 be notable enough to have an article; (the current draft proposal to
 formalise this is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NGEO

 Wikidata notability guidelines accept anything with a Wikipedia
 article (in any language) *or* which is a clearly identifiable
 conceptual or material entity. The entity must be notable, in the
 sense that it can be described using serious and publicly available
 references.

 --
 Andy Mabbett
 @pigsonthewing
 http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

 ___
 Historic mailing list
 histo...@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic

___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l

[Wikidata-l] Wikimaps meeting memo

[Susanna Ånäs]

Thanks for the participants and welcome to the next meeting if you did not
make it this time!

You can find the meeting minutes here
http://wmfi.muistio.tieke.fi/wikimaps-online-1

And registration to the next meeting here
http://wmfi.muistio.tieke.fi/wikimaps-online-2

Feel free to comment, and jump onboard!

Cheers,
Susanna
-- 
*Susanna Ånäs *Käyttäjä:Susannaanas
Wikimedia Suomi http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Etusivu –
GLAMhttp://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM– tiedotus –
yhteistyö
blog.wikimedia.fi / @
https://twitter.com/WMFinlandWMFinlandhttps://twitter.com/WMFinland
 / Facebook https://www.facebook.com/WikimediaSuomi / Liity
jäseneksi!http://fi.wikimedia.org/wiki/Liity_j%C3%A4seneksi
___
Wikidata-l mailing list
Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l