[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani
Popolon added a comment. > By 1174, Hán tự/Hanzi had become the official writing script of the Vietnamese courts, mainly used by administration and literati, and continued to serve this role until the mid-19th century. As said previously, The Hán tự/Hanzi was still used during French colonization, there as documents of mid 20th century (including on commons) with still both chữ Nôm and lain script vietnamese and some French colony stamps. Some continue to use it today, there are several sites wrote using this script, and we can still see some videos using it as subtitles. - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1938 Vietnamese Birth Certificate in Nôm.jpg 1938 - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vietnamese_Mixed_Script_in_the_Ho_Chi_Minh_Museum_in_2016.jpg 1966 TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Yellowtailshark, Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, mrephabricator, Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. I don't understand what is blocking either. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Astuthiodit_1, karapayneWMDE, Invadibot, maantietaja, ItamarWMDE, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore
Popolon added a comment. It is in standard [https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Category:ISO_15924:Hani ISO 15924], and it was still used officially until the mid of the 20th century. It is still used at least by scholars and some people that like to continue to use it in Vietnam. - [[:File:1938 Vietnamese Birth Certificate in Nôm.jpg]] 1938 - [[:File:Vietnamese_Mixed_Script_in_the_Ho_Chi_Minh_Museum_in_2016.jpg]] 1966 TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore
Popolon added a comment. Is vi-x-Q8201 a standard? If it's not, why for create a new name please? They are one variant of Hani characters (called Hán tự (漢字) in vietnamese) chữ Nôm TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore
Popolon added a comment. Generally, in en.wiktionary, article in the Category:Sino-Vietnamese_word have their vi-Hani version. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Sino-Vietnamese_words TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore
Popolon added a comment. On the vietnamese wikipedia: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Hán - 名 “danh” - 書 “thư” - 文 “văn” - 字 “tự” - 漢字 “Hán tự”. Or more specialized article: https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chữ_Nôm TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T180345: Add monolingual language code vi-hani, ko-kore
Popolon added a comment. The Wiktionary as a lot of samples in vi-Hani. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/留#Vietnamese TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180345 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Popolon, Esc3300, Nikki, Mahir256, Mbch331, Amire80, jhsoby, GerardM, mxn, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, revi, C933103, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. Do you know at least how to use mvf now, because I still can't use it a standard way and still need to put an unsupported language tag? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. cmg is often similar to mvf, but not sure it is always the case, as mvf is still a living language, cmg a medieval one. I don't know what is missing, in wich system parti, but it can't be added in values for now. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. I corrected also the name in cyrillic mongolism, this is not the Mongolian meta language (only mn meta-language is supported for now) , but only the Khalkha variant. The 3 languages are unsupported. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. And at the same time, both cmg and mvf are missing, i fight for 5 years for having at least one them now. but it looks more and more like there is interest to avoid theme? Still don't understand why? TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. OK, I removed mvf, that could be used to day as khalkha, but the text is in medieval mongolian, and replaced multi by miss TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. Mult is multilanguage: the other one is mongolian of china that is compatible for this term, but this is a modern mongolian, and this is a name from 12th century... TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. If I follow the ref, I added mul + 2*P407 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P407> with cmg (Midle mongolian) and mvf (Mongolian of China). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. If it's for a field in wikidata, here is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q720 Chingis Khaan, with his native name in Mongolian from his time (ᠴᠢᠩᠭᠢᠰ ᠬᠠᠭᠠᠨ Činggis qaγan) and in today khalkha from independent Mongolia (Чингис хаан), in Cyrillic. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. So I give the most basic example, I can add several case mn is wrongly used (but was the only not to far available option) to have the original name wrote in wikidata, for people of 13~15th century. The oldest know in this script is there: https://altaica.ru/e_dursgal.php probably not fare from the date of it's creation by Tata Tungkha (ᠲᠠᠲᠠᠲᠤᠩᠭᠠ <= another exemple), after Chinggis Khan asked him to create a script for Mongolian, inspirited from this time uyghur script (today no more used, arabic in China and cyrillic in neighbourg are used instead). TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Invadibot, maantietaja, Akuckartz, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Mahir256, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, aude ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list -- wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wikidata-bugs-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment.
Which kind of sample do you want.
As an exemplle, from :
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bitchig
{{lang|cmg-Mon|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} this is the name of the Mongolian script in
classical and modern Mongolian.
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. I first created this because Mongolian in mongolian script was rejected in all it's codes, but it could be usefut to referring to this code for name of medieval Mongolian people, as the notion of mvf didn't exists at this time, this could avoid anachronisms. TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Akuckartz, Viztor, 94rain, Dinadineke, DannyS712, Nandana, lucamauri, tabish.shaikh91, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Soteriaspace, Jayprakash12345, JakeTheDeveloper, QZanden, merbst, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Shizhao, TheDJ, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
Popolon added a comment. I believe there is not so much difference. If I remember of everything after few years of try, some argued that any of them can't be used in Wikimedia because they are meta-languages, not languages,, because mvf, based on Chakhar/Chahar, and there are other languages after some definitions. People opposed said that's the rule to note create new meta-languages entries, only languages are accepted. There is already mn (also a meta after those norms, but in Wikipedia, match, official Khalkha/Halha (khk) dialect from Outer Mongolia (or Mongolia state) and is wrote Cyrillic (All Outer Mongolian people don't understand traditional Mongolian, that's mainly used in art there, but will should come back as official script in about ten years). mvf is the official written (in Mongolian script) and spoken language by millions of people in inner Mongolia, spoken at inner Mongolian TV channels, wrote in newspaper, road signs, learnt at school, spoke in buses/train station for station/warnings, museums, etc, The current norms say that's a meta-language, not a language, some spotted, errors in current norms. All this Mongolian varieties are not very far each from other anyway. If we consider mvf a metalanguage, we should do too for ja, as Kansai Japanese (for example) use lot of words, tones, grammar rules different from official Tokyo japanese. The same for standard mandarin (cmn) vs NW/NE/SE/SW mandarins (SW one is one of the ten most spoken languages on earth). With my very very low knowledge in Mongolia I was able to exchange using Khalkha Mongolian (khk) official language from outer Mongolia (most courses are from this dialect, and I only know people of Outer Mongolia in France), with people from south of inner Mongolia,, (mvf), from Ordos and Chifeng. They understood everything. As far I searched for words in dictionaries referring to cmg Outer mongolian one using both cyrillic Mongolian and traditional Mongolian scripts or those using mvf I didn't found differences, I suppose there are at least some in vocabulary usage, but there are dialects of the same language. Mongolians used lot of scripts in their history, first one (since ~13th century) and most longer user one is traditional mongolian script, that is derived from uyghur script (uyghurs use arabian script adapted to turkic language in China today). There are other varieties of Mongolian, that are not grouped in mn/mvf, and are really different Mongolian languages, not understandable by khk/mvf : - Buriat (bua, with subode, bxu (China), bxm (Mongolia), bxr (Buriatia (russian federation) - Kalmyk (xal) also called oirat, mainly spoken in China (mainly Qinghai and Xinjiang provinces) and in Kalmyk Republic, in eastern Europe - Daur/dagur (dta) in most north-east part of inner Mongolia and at East of Buriatia - Moghol (mhj) in Herat province, Afghanistan There are few other, spoken by more little groups - Monguor/Tu, in Qinghai province, China (influenced by Tibetan language) - Yugur, in Gansu province, China - ... TASK DETAIL https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T215032 EMAIL PREFERENCES https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/ To: Popolon Cc: Lydia_Pintscher, jhsoby, Amire80, Mbch331, Nikki, C933103, Liuxinyu970226, Aklapper, Popolon, Akuckartz, Viztor, 94rain, Dinadineke, DannyS712, Nandana, lucamauri, tabish.shaikh91, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, Soteriaspace, Jayprakash12345, JakeTheDeveloper, QZanden, merbst, LawExplorer, _jensen, rosalieper, Scott_WUaS, Wikidata-bugs, Snowolf, aude, Shizhao, TheDJ, Rxy ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T215032: Add monolingual language code cmg
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Updated] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. I opened T215032 to ensure that cmg will not fall in void, as this one.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, _jensen, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. And then the list also have Kalmyk and Qaracin, however they don't even have their own ISO 639 language code from what I know Khalmyk (or kalmyk) is Oirat (xal-myk), two names for the same culture/languageTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. Just a little tip, on firefox, go to about:config, then search for the browser.urlbar.decodeURLsOnCopy option and change it from false to true, this is essential for non pure-english characters (aka any accent or other char from any other language using latin script or any other script, so the url) : https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%92%99%E5%8F%A4%E8%AA%9E%E6%96%B9%E8%A8%80%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8 Thas is unreadable (will be the same with mongolian name in both cyrillic/mongolian script) will become https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/蒙古語方言列表 shorter and readable (at least if you know the script).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. I agree with you on the point that Phags'pa is only a writing of the Yuan dynasty, the official language is at this time Khalkh or it's classical Mongolian version. The scripts are generally the same in Mongolian central dialects (if we don't think about frontier between (Russia/Outer-Mongolia)-cyrillic script and China-mongolian script). They are mutually understandable. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/蒙古語方言列表 I won't repeat the likely problem answers again, unless if your both are even concerning this zhwiki list article. 方言 means dialect, not language. We can extend codes later to them, but after having at least at first main languages. The mvf is a well established/formalized form of Mongolian, in china, referenced in few dictionaries. And it would be very helpful to represent inner mongolian names. It is already used in at least en.wiktionary.org and fr.wiktionary.org. They are very distinct Mongolian languages groups from central Mongolian, like Buryat, Kalmyk (also called oirat). There are also languages that are very far from central mongolian: Yugur, divisied in two groups, one with more Mongolian/turkic proximities (Western Yugur), and the other that is a dialect of Mandarin with mongolian vocabulary (Eastern Yugur). Tu/Monguer, a mongolian language, that mix Chinese and Tibetan dialects. Mongolian from North of Afghanistan or from Kalmykia (eastern Europe) are probably very different from their central Asian counterparts. In the link given, they say that beside Khalkh/Halh, in China there are 3 important mongolian groupes : http://www.zlck.com/蒙古语/方言.html ① Inner mongolian dialect (内蒙古方言) with lot of varieties, used as main language in Inner Mongolia, Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang. (In this group, Chalkhar/察哈尔 (mvf) is the main/official one). ② Buryat (巴尔虎-布里亚特方言, bxu for its chinese form), with ③ Kalmyk aka Oirat (卫拉特方言, xal) spoken in Xinjiang (aka related to Zungars), Qinghai (aka related to Qoshots, aka Zungars that estabished to Qinghai lake in 15th century) and Gansu (I suppose Qoshotos/Zungats at the border between of Gansu with Xinjiang or Qinghai). The Eastern Europe (Kalmykia, around the Volga river) is probably very different. Like Quebec dialect of French is very different from French one, Brazilian from Portuguese, American English from UK/Ireland English etc... Don't know which variety of mongolian is spoken in Afghanistan. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Linguistic_map_of_the_Mongolic_languages.pngTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. So 2 years and 3 month later we are still at the same point ? Is it so hard to add several ISO639-3 mongolian codes for traditionnal mongolian script ? The more imortant indiviual languages to add (to avoid conflict of macrolanguage as this is the main reason of the rejection) : ISO 639-3 mvf Chahar/Chakhar, not a macrolanguage, but an indivitual, reference China mongolian language https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/mvf that is probably the most used for our purpose and we can consider it _Mong by default If possible, khk, as mn is a macrolanguage and not good to use (or we still use mn for both languages and are lote more things to fix in 2 years (as lot was added during 2 years) : ISO 639-3 khk, Halh/Khalkh not a macrolanguage but an individual too, reference mongolia mongolian language https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/khk cyrillic by default since about 50 years. We could add the _Mong variantes mvf_Mong (that is the default for mvf, not usefull, khk_Mong (usefull as defaut is today Cyrl. Some can be important (by magnitude of speakers) too and added one by one ISO 639-3 xal (khalmyk) individual : https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/xal ISO 639-3 bua (buryat, macrolanguage) has 3 individual languages. Russian one is probably the most populated : bxu – China Buriat bxm – Mongolia Buriat bxr – Russia Buriat and ISO 639-3 cmg is used by historians isn't it ? Individual : https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/cmg We will see later for _Mong/_Cyrl (as today _Hani/Hant/Hans are used for chinese)TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Badaa, ChristianKl, C933103, jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, Nandana, Lahi, Gq86, GoranSMilovanovic, QZanden, LawExplorer, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. This is why for we need both cmg (where default is Mong), khk-Mong (where default today is Cyrl) and mvf (where default is Mong). If language can vary on cmg, there are some texts that are classified as cmg and is used (and needed as source) in Wikipedia.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: C933103, jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. Mong is for uiyghur-mongolian script. Classical mongolian, use this script, not soyombo or Phags-pa. Phags-pa was only used about 1 century. -Mong is probably not needed for this. Cyrillic is only used for buryat (in Republic of Buryatia), kalmyk (in Republic of Kalmykia), and khalkha language (in Outer Mongolia) as far I know, but at least khakha and kalmyk use mongolian script (in China, outer-Mongolia and kalmykia). Don't know the 4 letter script code for phagspa, soyombo, and other rare mongolian scripts.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. Could you also add cmg (classical mongolian), that is classed as individual) by default it uses Mong script. and khk-Mong ? http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=cmgTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. So could you add mvf-Mong instead of mn-Mong please ?TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. After ethnologue, eng, is only for England English and some variants around the world, not US/canadian english, but still U.S. Virgin Islands and Jamaica in America. https://www.ethnologue.com/language/eng So what is the code for US English, that so much people view as really different than English one ??? This code are not perfect too, and should not be followed too much in my sense. The same for french, it's often really difficult for a French from France to understand Canadian French, mainly orally, and a little less in the text due to difference of grammar and vocabulary. So until there are ISO-639-3 codes for these variants, this isn't really revelant. The English wikipedia article about the Khalkha dialect (that is sourced) says, as most linguist, that's a dialect, that is different from standard mongolian, and has difference that are found in Chakhar Mongolian (the main dialect of inner mongolia), and oirat language... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalkha_Mongolian The same way English Wikipedia article about Chakhar dialect, that is sourced too, seen this as a dialect of the standard (khalkha) mongolian language…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakhar_Mongolian Again, mongolian language article classify chakhar and khalkha as dialects of mongoian (mn/mon), and say that few source say that buryat/oirat are dialects of the same language but that most disagree…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_languageTASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. eng.wikipedia.org is for english, not for mongolian... In the case of zh, this should be cmn (chinese mandarin, not zh). zh (that can means zhongwen, zhonghua, etc...) include all chineses languages, As in mongolian, there are several meaning, (languages of china (which include among other mongolian (oirat, std mongolian and dialects, hanyu, a submacrolanguage spoken mainly by Han nationality, including standard mandarin, mandarin dialects, cantonese (yue), shanghaiese (wu (wuu)), minnan (taiwanese, chaoshan...), mindong, hokkien, etc... that are really different languages, and zh, should be banned, but that's the standard for standard mandarin). if mn-Mong is divided in khk (for khalka dialect instead of standard khalkha mongolian) and mvf for the administratively divided mongolian dialects, then words that are pronounced with local dialects, but wrote the same way, will have two entries each time. The same way english/american/australian english should have separated entity (centre/theatre in english english, center/theater in american english for example. so en, should be banned too... So can mn be renamed khk and can we have a khk-Mong and a mvf-Mong (that is a non-sense in term of writing) ? You can create both if you have any clue that there are case of different writing for the same word, but mn-Mong should work for most words, as shown every dictionaries matching. current mn, should at least be renamed mn-Cyrl or khk-Cyrl, as that's only one of the two standard khalkha script in outer mongolia, mn-Mong is also accepted as standard in Mongolia since 1992. Until issue is resolved for english/chinese/... mn- should be accepted for standard mongolian and subdialects... If you don't agree, please create at least khk-Mong and mvf-Mong, I will put both in every cases, I can verify easily with my dictionaries, that's all...TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment.
mn is used as language for standard mongolian in wikipedia (mn.wikipedia.org, tag in wikidata, so if it's not valide, this should be removed.
https://www.ethnologue.com/language/mvf for ethnologue, mvf, is only a geographical distinction, mvf is for china, mainly because in china they don't use cyrilic script for writting mongolian, but on some border cities with outer mongolia like Erenhot （chinese + mongolian script + cyrillic mongolian) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Erenhot_port.jpg On North-East of inner mongolia, (Manzhouli, and lot of cities in Hulunbuir, russian in cyrillic is used instead).
One of the dictionary I bought in Hailaer (Hulunbuir), one among several where it's wrote {{lang|zh|汉蒙词典}} / {{lang|mn-Mong|ᠬᠢᠲᠠᠳ ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠲᠣᠯᠢ}} edited in Bejing. They uses mongolian script as the destination is inner-mongolia mongolians or other people that want to read/write their script, used officialy in inner-mongolia. https://book.douban.com/subject/1737776/
One of the several dictionnaries on the internet for mongolian (using several historical dictionaries) where mongolian script is used beside Cyrillic, sometimes latin script and tibetan (for words used in both languages) https://www.istb.univie.ac.at/mongol/mng/sub/ references used are text from gengis khan time to author time (19th century to today), covering all the mongolian areas. In cyrillic, buriat use more characters than standard mongolian/khalkha language, in oirat, there is another writing system called Todo bitchig.
An official site of the (outer) Mongolia government, that use mainly cyrillic mongolian, and display mongolian script version for every words and is still called mongol toli (mongolian dictionary, not khalkha dictionnary, there are several dialects in outer Mongolia too): https://mongoltoli.mn/
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. About several writings for a language, in chinese, there is zh-Hani (hanzi in general), zh-Hant (traditionnal hanzi), zh-Hans (simplified hanzi) and the same thing for Gan Chinese (gan-Hant & gan-Hant).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. mn doesn't referer to mongolian as a macrolanguage but as a language, khalkha is the recognized standard dialect of the mongolian language. other mongolian languages are buriat (bua) or oirat (xal). As said before monglian term is both used in mongolian and chinese about the mongolian writing, that is the same in inner or outer Mongolia (following all dictionnaries I found. That is used in several documents from XIIth century to today. If mn is not accepted as a language for mongolian in wikipedia, then we can close and remove all the articles of https://mn.wikipedia.org and finally say to all the mongolian that they don't use a language ;).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: jhsoby, thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. In my opinon, as a very beginner in mongolian language, every written words I seen in dictionaries (old one like Lessig or current one), seems to match with mvf one I seen on fr.wiktionary, wrote by a french in inner-Mongolia. (China), I learned with the pronunciation of Ulanbaatar (khalkha), as that's the only one available on methods in Europe, exchanged most with few friends from this city in France). In Inner Mongolia, I exchanged with Mongolians from Chifeng, the woman immediately said to her husband I spoke with an outer Mongolian pronunciation, but was able to understand and I understand that she said that. I exchanged during a short ride with a guy from Ordos, we can exchange some sentences without problems, we speak more in Chinese, as I have a better level in this language. Both this area are from south of inner Mongolia In Hailaer/Hulunbuir (far north-east) I meet a teacher that has a really different pronunciation for one word I known often used in lot of songs but we only exchanged in mandarin, she only pronounced this word. She give me a wechat/weixin account with Mongolian lessons from her area, and as far I read, everything seems to match (not read a lot). I bought some chinese<=>Mongolian dictionary, from inner Mongolia at this place, there is wrote Mongolian-Chinese dictionaries in both script (Chinese and Mongol), nothing dialect specific. Every word I seen (only few for now) matches words from dictionaries of outer Mongolia. In Chinese zh- (as zhongwen) for mandarin and it's dialects, writing is the same, pronunciation _expression_ are different. Khalkha and Chakhar. (one of the main language in Inner Mongolia used for mvf) are only dialects of standard khalkha Mongolian), this is not fixed with characters like Chinese, so these changes in pronunciation can probably be wrote differently, I still never matched the case, but I'm a very beginner. mn is for the Standard Khalkha Mongolian, in my sense, it can be used as zh is used for standard mandarin and all the dialects of mandarin, other han chinese language use a different code too (yue for Cantonese, wuu for Wu (Shanghai and around), nan for Minnan [[Mongolian language]] article in English, seems to confirm that. It should be nice to have at least this, for first and extend later if needed for mvf, and bua/xal that are different Mongolian languages. In the previous post, I forgot to say that Oirat is also spoken in different region of China (Xinjiang, Qinghai).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: [Task] Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. In language code, first part is language, second part is script (Mong|Han|Latn|Arab...) and the third the country, here CN (China), MN (Mongolia) The traditional Mongolian script is mainly used in Inner-Mongolia (China), but is since few year recognized again as official language in (outer) Mongolia. it is also used in Buryatia and Kalmykia (where this should probably be respectively bua-Mong, xal-Mong, Mongolian sub-languages using uyghur-mongolian script). So : mn is used mainly for Khalkha, official (outer) Mongolia Mongol language is generally seen as standard mongolian mn. mvf (peripheral mongolian) is generally used to specify that's one of the china mongolian languages. xal2 bua for buryat xal for oriat Mong is used for vertical "uyghur-mongolian" script (adapted from old-uyghur script) Cyrl is used for cyrillic writing, official in Mongolia and Mongolian inhabited republics of russian federation. Latn is generally used for latin transliteration ( there are case of Arab, Han transliteration too) Mongolians use lot of writing system in their history, but that was often used for about one century and/or specific cases : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_writing_systems uyghur mongolian, is the most used from Gengis Khan time to today (about 800 years). Manchus (and more generally several tungustic languages) use a variant of this system. CN is for China MN is for Mongolia RU is for russian federation (I don't believe there are specific code for RF republics). TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: thiemowmde, Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137809: Add monolingual language code otk
Popolon added a comment. I don't really understand what to do, perhaps what I said was missunderstood. I only want to said than I filled some wikidata items as turk (tr) instead of otk (old turk) as this didn't exists.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Esc3300, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment. There is already vertical script on at least fr/zh/en pages. That's well supported by most browser today. But even without vertical script that could be better, at least the format mn-Mong should be given to the browser, so it understand that's Mongolian, and do adapted ligatures, accessibility can work, etc... There are some sample using vertical Mongolian, with the [[:zh:Template:Mong]] (also used in french). There is [[:en:Template:MongolUnicode]] in english for vertical writting too.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137808: Add monolingual language code mnc
Popolon added a comment. This is blocking bug, mn (mongol) != mnc manchu, a toungouse language, not a mongolian one, but near rules or writting and same script familly, so this allow to display nicely text, but information is erroneous. We have a lot of mnc entries name on wikipedia (fr/en/zh mainly).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137808EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137809: Add monolingual language code otk
Popolon added a comment. Please, this one is blocking, and put turk instead of otk, is an erroneous information :(.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Lydia_Pintscher, GerardM, Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment.This code is used in several cities and historical figures names, not only for the writing name itself. mvf is about the same meaning (as peripheral mongolian), used mainly for inner-mongolian dialects of Mongolian.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137810: Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon added a comment.This example is for Q1055705TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137809: Add monolingual language code otk
Popolon added a comment.This example is for Q29001TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Commented On] T137808: Add monolingual language code mnc
Popolon added a comment.Wikidata element : Q42956 (I add mn, waiting for mnc value to exist).TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137808EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T137810: Add monolingual language code mn-Mong
Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code mn-Mong to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|mn-Mong|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ}} (idealy with {{MongolUnicode|{{lang|mn-Mong|ᠮᠣᠩᠭᠣᠯ ᠪᠢᠴᠢᠭ to be displayed vertically.
This is for traditionnal [[:en:Mongolian script]] (mongol bichig) support in [[Property:P1705]] of Wikidata.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137810EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Block] T124286: [Epic] Language support
Popolon created blocking task T137810: Add monolingual language code mn-Mong.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124286EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Ricordisamoa, adrianheine, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T137809: Add monolingual language code otk
Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code otk to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|otk|ఉఆఢణ ఴణ}}
This is for [[:en:Old Turkic language]] support in [[Property:P1705]] of Wikidata.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137809EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
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[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Block] T124286: [Epic] Language support
Popolon created blocking task T137809: Add monolingual language code otk.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124286EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Ricordisamoa, adrianheine, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Block] T124286: [Epic] Language support
Popolon created blocking task T137808: Add monolingual language code mnc.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124286EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Liuxinyu970226, Ricordisamoa, adrianheine, Aklapper, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331 ___ Wikidata-bugs mailing list Wikidata-bugs@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-bugs
[Wikidata-bugs] [Maniphest] [Created] T137808: Add monolingual language code mnc
Popolon created this task.Popolon added a project: Wikidata.Herald added subscribers: Zppix, Aklapper.TASK DESCRIPTIONPlease add the language code mnc to the list of language codes supported for monolingual text values.
Usage example: {{lang|mnc|ᡥᠠᡵᠪᡳᠨ}}.
This is for [[:en:Manchu language]] support in [[Property:P1705]] of Wikidata.TASK DETAILhttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137808EMAIL PREFERENCEShttps://phabricator.wikimedia.org/settings/panel/emailpreferences/To: PopolonCc: Aklapper, Zppix, Popolon, D3r1ck01, Izno, Wikidata-bugs, aude, Mbch331
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