[Wikimania-l] Re: Wikimania 2024 will be hosted in …

[Andrew Lih]

Just a point of information, re: "However, out of 18 Wikimanias so far,
most of them have been in Europe..."

Wikimania has been in Europe five times in its history and has been held
outside of Europe ten times. This means only 1/3 of all Wikimanias have
been in Europe.

With no disrespect to anyone on the list, I feel this illustrates how
Wikimania's perception differs each year to a different set of attendees
as it moves around the globe to expand our engagement. Wikimania has
changed as the movement has changed in the last 18 years. This includes
fostering deeper collaboration, engaging new communities, the rise of GLAM
wiki and cultural partnerships, or simply connecting on a human level
face-to-face, which we cannot do over Zoom.

I'd encourage folks to attend the office hours for Wikimania to learn more
about how this year's Wikimania is a very different concept than in the
past – it is a regional collaboration of ESEAP, and next year's is a
regional collaboration with CEE. In this sense, the conference has already
adapted to the ideas that JB and others have alluded to – a super-regional
conference that aims to keep the hybrid elements we've used during the
pandemic while encouraging regional collaborations. Stay tuned for more
details as this year's Wikimania organizers announce even more plans for
the hybrid conference.

-Andrew

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 6:44 PM Evelin Heidel  wrote:

>
>
> El lun, 20 mar 2023 a las 17:54, phoebe ayers ()
> escribió:
>
>>
>> For folks who are newer to Wikimania, one core principle we do have is to
>> make sure the conference goes to different parts of the world, precisely
>> because we have community members everywhere and we don't want it to always
>> be an extra-long journey for the same people. Of course rotation by itself
>> isn't enough: we also need a group or collaboration that is excited to host
>> the conference, as well as a location that will work well for a global
>> conference. But these factors together hopefully result in a Wikimania that
>> moves around. We got some great expressions of interest for Wikimania, and
>> I find it exciting that after the lull of the pandemic there is lots of
>> interest in hosting Wikimania going forward from so many groups.
>>
>
> I'd argue that based on that criteria ("a location that will work well for
> a global conference") unfortunately the only good place to ever do it is
> Europe (both for convenience of travel & because it's an international
> flying hub), and we'd probably all agree that's a very bad idea. However,
> out of 18 Wikimanias so far, most of them have been in Europe nevertheless.
>
> This is not a critique to Wikimedia Polska -- I'm very happy for them and
> I have no doubt they deserve this, but there's a need to review the whole
> model with some type of community discussion that goes well beyond a
> session on Wikimania about the "Future of Wikimania", some discussions on a
> mailing list, and the steering committee. Maybe it's time to do a committee
> that focuses specifically on "re-imagining the future of Wikimania" that
> can focus on doing several needed things -- like analyzing all the reports,
> learnings & surveys from previous years, running a community survey, and
> actually advocating more time to run a community conversation on what
> things are important; including how the WMF can (or cannot) support this
> event.
>
> I'm saying this too because one can personally find some arguments
> compelling (i.e. sustainability) but then others in the movement might find
> other arguments more important, and it's always good to know that.
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] Postponing Wikimania Bangkok until 2021

[Andrew Lih]

We are indeed investigating remote options not just for Wikimania, but for
many events, meetups and conferences for 2020 and beyond. Please feel free
to join the meta page and conversation around the tools and paradigms for
doing remote events.

Meta page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki
/WikiProject_remote_event_participation
CROW (Conference Remote Options for Wikimedians) Telegram chat:
https://t.me/joinchat/FE0P5FlfxzREOMlLljnNcA

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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:32 AM Thomas Shafee 
wrote:

> Regarding remote participation Wikimania 2020:
>
> The *Research Data Alliance* has moved it's current conference that was
> meant to be over the next five days to in stead be online across 18 march -
> 10 Apr (several sessions of high interest to wikimedians):
>
>- *https://www.rd-alliance.org/rda-virtual-plenary-programme
><https://www.rd-alliance.org/rda-virtual-plenary-programme> *
>
> What was previously $700 is now free and was re-organised with only 1
> week's notice. Possible learning items for a remote Wikimania? It's a mixed
> working-group and plenary session based format that is highly relevant to
> wikimedia movement.
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
> On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 13:33, Roman Bustria Jr. 
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Katherine for this update.
> >
> > We at ESEAP confirm that Wikimania will not happen this year. We
> appreciate
> > your support and understanding on this recent development.
> >
> > We will continue to collaborate with the Wikimania Steering Committee and
> > the Wikimedia Foundation with the remaining tasks to be done and plan
> > accordingly for next year.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Butch Bustria
> > Head of Communications
> > ESEAP Wikimania Organizing Team
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:57 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear everyone,
> > >
> > > As a part of the Wikimedia movement’s ongoing response to the COVID-19
> > > pandemic, we are postponing Wikimania Bangkok 2020. This decision was
> > made
> > > with the full support of the ESEAP host team and Wikimania Committee.
> > > Together, we will hold Wikimania in Bangkok in 2021.
> > >
> > > We are filled with sadness to not see you all in Bangkok in August.
> > > However, we are confident that this is the best possible decision for
> the
> > > well-being of our global community and public health overall. This
> > decision
> > > was proposed by the ESEAP organizers in line with their countries’
> > response
> > > to the COVID-19 pandemic and is in line with recommendations from the
> > World
> > > Health Organization (WHO).
> > >
> > > You are certain to have many questions. We hope to answer some of your
> > > questions below. We will continue to answer questions on the Wikimania
> > > Meta-Wiki page and on the Wikimania Telegram group chat (more
> information
> > > below).
> > >
> > >
> > > *== What does “postponing” Wikimania mean? ==*
> > > We will not host an in-person Wikimania in 2020. We are rescheduling
> > > Wikimania Bangkok until 2021. The ESEAP organizing team[2] will
> continue
> > > their work as a regional collaborative between affiliates in the East,
> > > South East, and Pacific regions to host us in Thailand next year.
> > >
> > > The hotel and venue[3] in Bangkok will remain the same. We have not yet
> > > finalized dates for 2021. We will work with the ESEAP team and
> Wikimania
> > > Steering Committee to confirm new dates. We will let you know these
> dates
> > > by the end of 2020.
> > >
> > > The good news is that Wikimania 2021 will coincide with Wikipedia’s
> 20th
> > > birthday year. We expect this to be a truly memorable Wikimania -- an
> > > opportunity to celebrate reconnection after a year apart, along with
> the
> > > remarkable accomplishment of two decades of free knowledge.
> > >
> > > *== Will there be an alternative to the in-person event? ==*
> > >
> > > There are no plans by the 2020 Wikimania hosts to organize a virtual,
> > > online event.

Re: [Wikimania-l] Closing wikimania2018wiki

[Andrew Lih]

Agree this seems too early for closing the wiki.

On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 6:16 PM DerHexer  wrote:

> Hi Marco,
>
> Isn't this a bit early? The conference happened less than a month ago,
> usually the wiki was closed maybe a year after the event. People need to
> add their presentations to the pages, videos needs to be edited and linked
> there,, lessons learned want to be shared, etc. It might be a good push now
> but get everything in place but in my humble opinion, two months after the
> conference is way too early, sorry.
>
> Best,
> Martin/DerHexer
>
>
> --
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> *An:* wikimania-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> *Gesendet:* 12:12 Donnerstag, 16.August 2018
> *Betreff:* [Wikimania-l] Closing wikimania2018wiki
>
> Hello,
>
> As it happens with all wikimania wikis upon completion of the event,
> the wikimania2018wiki is in the process of being closed. Closing means
> that the wiki and its contents will continue to be online and readable
> by all, but account creation and editting will be restricted.
>
> I plan to move forward and close the wiki in *one month* after the
> sending of this email (this is September 16, 2018 aprox.). If you have
> content that needs to be uploaded to the wiki, please do so.
>
> I've setup a ticket at <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T201188> so
> we can track its progress.
>
> Of course, if you need more time I have no issues to wait. However the
> wiki will eventually be closed as all other wikimania wikis.
>
> Best regards, M.
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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania - Social media workshop Wednesday at 1900

[Andrew Lih]

Will you be at Wikimania on Wednesday evening? Then join us for the first
ever Social Media “One-Night Stand” workshop session with Andrew Lih and
Sree Sreenivasan from 1900 to 2030. All are invited, even if you’re not
signed up for pre-conference, and this will be especially useful for
chapters and user group leaders, or anyone interested in outreach.

How might we more effectively use social media to further Wikimedia’s
mission globally and locally?

Join this hands-on workshop with social media guru Sree Sreenivasan (former
chief digital officer of The Metropolitan Museum of Art and Columbia
University) and veteran Wikimedian Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) as they march
through social and mobile strategies via Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,
WhatsApp and other platforms for community engagement. Come share your own
strategies and success/failure stories for using social media with your own
communities.

More details here:
https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_Media_One-Night_Stand

We will also plan to showcase these tools at the Water Scarcity edit-a-thon
the next day at the Cape Town Tourism offices, by using Facebook Live,
Twitter and Instagram. We encourage folks to not only help edit Wikimedia
content, but come and practice using social media to cover our community
for the world to see.

https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_edit-a-thon


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[Wikimania-l] Kids to SA - birth certificates

[Andrew Lih]

FYI,

For those traveling with kids to Wikimania in Cape Town – best to bring a
copy of their birth certificates with you. Lots of airlines are checking
and making it a requirement before flying into S.A.

I flew from Nairobi to Jo’burg and they did indeed check. Twice. It seems
to be airline dependent, as the carrier is the one fined if they transport
kids who don’t have a birth certificate.

http://www.dha.gov.za/index.php/statements-speeches/621-advisory-new-requirements-for-children-travelling-through-south-african-ports-of-entry-effective-1-june-2015

We were warned by a friend who lives in South Africa about this
requirement. We brought copies of the certificate just in case. They were
needed.

-Andrew
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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania Telegram groups

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

Here’s a list of all the Telegram groups (http://telegram.org) where you
can connect with organizers and other Wikimedians. Please note the code of
conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces is in effect for these.

Wikimania 2017:
https://t.me/wikimania2017
(main info and inquiry channel, open to all)

Wikimania 2017 social:
https://t.me/Wikimania2017Social
(more casual gabbery)

Wikiconference North America: https://t.me/joinchat/GFsvtA24l31w_fHOvAFZzA
(for Wednesday and Thursday activities)

Wikimania Hackathon Social:
https://t.me/WikimaniaHack17Social
(for Hackathon)

This has also been added to the Wikimania wiki:

https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Social_media

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2017 Social Telegram group

[Andrew Lih]

Correct - let's work with those guidelines so that Wikimania 2017 channel
is higher signal. Thanks.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il>
wrote:

> My understanding is that "Wikimania2017" is the serious "please no
> unnecessary off topic messages" group, and "Wikimania2017Social" is the
> "have fun and write whatever" group. (And in both, of course, the Code of
> Conduct is in effect.)
>
>
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> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
> 2017-08-08 20:58 GMT+03:00 Freddy2001 <freddy2...@wikipedia.de>:
>
>> Is it possible to delete the wrong group? Two groups are just confusing…
>> Freddy2001
>>
>> 2017-08-08 19:38 GMT+02:00 Siebrand Mazeland <siebr...@kitano.nl>:
>> >  @Wikimania2017Social
>> >
>> > Siebrand
>> >> Op 8 aug. 2017 om 13:21 heeft Freddy2001 <freddy2...@wikipedia.de>
>> het volgende geschreven:
>> >>
>> >> @Wikimania2017Social
>> >
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Fwd: URGENT: Wikimania Pre-Conference Selection

[Andrew Lih]

Hi Martin: every Wikimania is similar but different from previous years, so
your concerns are understandable.

I’m responding with a caveat - Phoebe Ayers and Ellie Young can provide
better details but I wanted to get back to you as soon as you can. I’ve
been working with the Wikimania team on the pre conference days for
Wikiconference North America.

1. Short answer - Yes, you can switch tracks even though we’d like for you
to choose one upon registration. This helps us figure out room sizes and
logistics for planning.

2. Speaking for Wikiconference North America (WCNA) - We welcome anyone to
the join us during pre conference days, some of the content is “North
America” specific, but most of it is not.

- Wednesday is a Culture Crawl, where we will explore the city, visit
various GLAM institutions and wind up at the BAnQ (Bibliothèque et Archives
nationales du Québec) where they are hosting an afternoon of
uploading/editing/scanning. Details to come. There is no registration cost
for this day.

- Thursday is a day at the Sheraton along with all the other groups. We
plan to have three tracks throughout the day: planned tutorials,
panels/discussions/lightning talks and unconference sessions determined by
participants. There is normal registration cost for this day.

-Andrew




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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Martin Rulsch <martin.rul...@wikimedia.de>
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Honestly, I am a bit confused by the organization of the pre-conference
> this year. Recent Wikimanias allowed users to choose *on site* what to
> attend, be it Hackathon sessions, WMCON Follow-up days, or other workshops
> as long as there was still free space. Of course, sometimes this space is
> very limited or some formats even require limited access for having useful
> discussions (like https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_
> Foundation_Learning_Days). Some of these limitations were published
> onwiki and helped me to decide in advance whether I want to commit myself
> to this very format for the full time or not. Personall,y *I* don't want
> to decide myself *now* what sessions could be most useful for me, which
> ones I should leave to other places when my expectations weren't met, which
> face-to-face chats will be more important than the sessions, etc.
>
> Hence, will it be possible/allowed to switch between those formats which
> have not yet been marked as invite-only onwiki? Were you asking me for my
> preferences only for logistical reasons, size of rooms, etc?
>
> Please help me understand why we need to register for pre-conference
> workshops for the first time. Thank you very much in advance! :-)
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Wikimania Program <wikimania-prog...@wikimedia.org>
> Date: 2017-07-20 3:11 GMT+02:00
> Subject: URGENT: Wikimania Pre-Conference Selection
> To: martin.rul...@wikimedia.de
>
>
> Pre-Conference Registration Options
>
> Hello,
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Socket type in the Sheraton Hotel

[Andrew Lih]

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Which 220V devices do you know that will be damaged by connecting via a
> laptop power cable to 110V?
> I don't know of any.
> Cheers,
>

Right - in general if your cord is rugged enough to handle 220V then 110V
will not be a problem.

Nearly every modern laptop power brick is going to handle 100-240V, 50-60Hz
AC just fine.

You may have some third party USB, mobile phone chargers or smaller power
adapters (shavers, baby electronics, et al.) that might be specific to the
voltage, so the safest thing is to check. The writing is so small on
these that I usually take a photo with the mobile phone and zoom in to read
the specs.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Socket type in the Sheraton Hotel

[Andrew Lih]

I took photos of the rooms and bathrooms but sorry that I didn’t check on
the hair dryer situation. I would trust Martin’s research on this. :)

-Andrew


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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Martin Rulsch <martin.rul...@wikimedia.de>
wrote:

> According to http://m.starwoodhotels.com/sheraton/property/rooms/
> amenities.html?propertyID=463, there should be a hair dryer.
>
> Best,
> Martin
>
>
> 2017-07-19 10:57 GMT+02:00 Yongmin H. <li...@revi.pe.kr>:
>
>> This was true for South Korean hair dryer (220V) used in Japan (110V).
>> While it doesn't explode or some kind of smoke (see also [1]), dryer was
>> almost unusable as the power was too weak.
>>
>> So a small question: does the hotel provides hair dryer? I guess so, but
>> want to reconfirm.
>>
>> [1]: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Electrical_systems
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>> 2017. 7. 19. 17:25 Samat <sama...@gmail.com> 작성:
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>> The other way it will be only slow, and dries the hair after ages...
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Socket type in the Sheraton Hotel

[Andrew Lih]

I’ve started a section on the Travel_tips page on Wikimania wiki:

https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_tips#Electrical_systems

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On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Andrew Lih <and...@andrewlih.com> wrote:

> Actually, I can give you an exact snapshot of the plugs in the Sheraton
> rooms.
>
> They are standard grounded three prong US/Canada 110V plugs.
>
> From our site visit earlier this year, this is what is in the room next to
> the work desk:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania-2017-sheraton-plugs.jpg
>
> The good news is they have four power plugs by default, a USB port, and if
> you want to plug in your own video you can.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
> -Andrew Lih
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> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't know the specifics of the Sheraton Hotel, but in all the places
>> in Montréal I visited they use the type B Socket.
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2017 8:18 AM, "Cornelius Kibelka" <
>> cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have to ask one of these naive (European) questions:
>>>
>>> My colleagues and me, we have mostly adapters for the "B" socket type
>>> (those with a round grounding). Can we use them in the Sheraton hotel – or
>>> do we need the "A" socket type adapters (those sockets without an entry for
>>> the round grounding)?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Cornelius
>>> --
>>> Cornelius Kibelka
>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
>>> http://wikimedia.de
>>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Socket type in the Sheraton Hotel

[Andrew Lih]

Actually, I can give you an exact snapshot of the plugs in the Sheraton
rooms.

They are standard grounded three prong US/Canada 110V plugs.

>From our site visit earlier this year, this is what is in the room next to
the work desk:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania-2017-sheraton-plugs.jpg

The good news is they have four power plugs by default, a USB port, and if
you want to plug in your own video you can.

-Andrew


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On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know the specifics of the Sheraton Hotel, but in all the places in
> Montréal I visited they use the type B Socket.
>
> On Jul 18, 2017 8:18 AM, "Cornelius Kibelka" <cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.
> de> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have to ask one of these naive (European) questions:
>>
>> My colleagues and me, we have mostly adapters for the "B" socket type
>> (those with a round grounding). Can we use them in the Sheraton hotel – or
>> do we need the "A" socket type adapters (those sockets without an entry for
>> the round grounding)?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> cheers
>>
>> Cornelius
>> --
>> Cornelius Kibelka
>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
>> for the Wikimedia Conference
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
>> http://wikimedia.de
>>
>> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
>> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
>> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.
>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

GN,

While I understand where you are coming from (ie. Wikipedia as the more
recognizable name to the public) it would seem to be a poor time to portray
the gathering as just Wikipedia-centric, especially with the rise of
Wikidata as a major force in more things we are doing, such as Wikimedia
Commons.

The best solution may be somewhere in the middle, where conference adopts a
subtitle that includes “Wikipedia” prominently, in order to make it more
SEO friendly.

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To quote C. Scott Ananian
>
>> I have no idea how to concisely include all the "Wikimedia projects" and
>> still mention "Wikipedia" in the title... which suggests perhaps that Ed's
>> version ("Wikimania: the global wikipedia summit") or whatever
>> subtitle Lodewijk used isn't too far off.
>
>
> maybe we are missing the target altogether, Wikipedia is our most
> identifiable brand, its what started the whole game and every other project
> in someway supports it. The bulk of all talks at Wikimanias are focused on
> Wikipedia activity.  It could it be that when talk about reducing the size
> of Wikimania we could look in an alternative direction and focus on
> individual projects, the hack-a-thon has become a separate identity
> already, wikisource has held it own. This isnt saying that the conference
> wouldnt cover or cater for other projects as it already does but it would
> give us something broader to sell to the sponsors, venues etc by calling it
> the Wikipedia Conference it could then focus on the 300 languages, the work
> in the incubator, it would also create a greater immediate impact
> externally and encourage more people to come learn more and get involved,
> it'd be sellable to GLAM and media alike... Every one would have the
> ability to focus on the local language as a key platform
>
> The Wikimedia Conference could then remain maybe even be expanded to
> enable more attendees focused as it already is on the movement
>
> A Commons conference would be media based looking more at copyright,
> personality rights even equipment which would open us to whole new world of
> sponsors  Imagine the people who could be a Key note speaker at a Commons
> conference that would otherwise bore the pants off every other attendee at
> a Wikimania.
>
> each and every conference would run at its own rate annually, bi-annually,
> even one in four years choose locations that suit its own aims with
> scholarships for those that the community would really benefit from
> attending
>
> Every conference would have cross over streams as no one project is
> isolated from any other, it would expand the focus and diverisfy the
> funding/sponsorship opportunities while addressing some of the key issues
> about the size of Wikimania, the way some sections of the community are
> lost and allow greater return on the brand identities of each project.
>
> On 8 November 2016 at 07:04, C. Scott Ananian <canan...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Again, "Wiki" means "wikileaks" to many folks these days.
>>  "Wikiconference" isn't enough to distinguish wikipedia from wikileaks.
>> And there are plenty of examples of wiki software other than mediawiki...
>>
>> If we're going to change the name (or add an official subtitle), IMNSHO
>> "Wikipedia" needs to be somewhere in there, spelled out in full.  That's
>> what we're most known for.
>>   --scott
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 4:23 PM, olatunde olalekan isaac <
>> reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps something like "WikiConference 2017".
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>> nemow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Olatunde Isaac, 07/11/2016 21:47:
>>>>
>>>>> Thus, it would be more appropriate to use a title known to the general
>>>>> public.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like... a title that contains "wiki" plus some other catchy suffix? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Nemo
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

- The Wikimania Committee with Ellie Young would be the most likely entity
that could facilitate a process if we wanted to consider a name change.
Full disclosure: I’m on the committee, but it may be getting a revamp in
the near future.

- We tend to not like voting on anything like this, especially since we
don’t have very good findings of fact, or even a good sampling of anecdotes
around the name.

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Béria Lima <berial...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ​*Now the 1 million dollar (...) question: to whom do we address the task
>> of eventually solving this?*
>>
>
> ​Well, might not be the easiest answer, but: Why not run a vote?
>
> Have some period of "submissions of name", and an after vote open to all
> community on it (with bots, sitenotice and etc to advertise it.) and let
> the community decide.
> _
> *​Béria L​. de Rodríguez*
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho.*
>
> 2016-11-07 12:08 GMT-02:00 Luca Martinelli <martinellil...@gmail.com>:
>
>> OK, now this is more of an argument I can consider as compelling.
>>
>> ​​
>> Now the 1 million dollar/euro/pound/yen/yuan/rupee/peso/shekel/$you_name_it
>> question (which unsurprisingly Asaf already posed): to whom do we address
>> the task of eventually solving this?
>>
>> L.
>>
>> Il 07 nov 2016 15:05, "Edward Saperia" <edsape...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>> Agree with Andrew - when I was organising it in 2014 I usually called it
>> "The Global Wikipedia Summit" because Wikimania doesn't sound important.
>>
>>
>>> 2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may
>>> be hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off
>>> to attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.
>>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>>>>
>>>> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>>>>
>>>> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Luca Martinelli 
wrote:

> Sorry for my bluntness, but... are we REALLY having this conversation?
> We're about to question our annual summit's name after 12 editions? Is it
> really a problem?
>

1. This isn’t a high traffic list.
2. You won’t know until you ask.
3. It’s good to be self-aware.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wiki (not) Mania?

[Andrew Lih]

I don’t have a personal problem with Wikimania as a name, but there are
some liabilities:

1. It isn’t terribly descriptive of the event we hold, as it is a pretty
standard conference with session proposals, meetings and training.
Occasionally, it will go “mania” with some more innovative and offbeat
ideas.

2. On first glance, the name isn’t very professional sounding. So it may be
hard to convince one’s boss or academic head to fund travel or time off to
attend the premier conference for the Wikimedia community.

In the US, we’ve gone with “Wikiconference” as the name for the
national/regional gathering.
https://wikiconference.org

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On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 8:28 AM, Gordon Joly <gordon.j...@pobox.com> wrote:

>
>
> Is it proper and correct to use the term "mania"?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
>
> Would we say "WikiMad" or WikiCrazy"?
>
> Gordo
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Unified Wikimania wiki

[Andrew Lih]

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Rehman Abubakr 
wrote:

> As earlier discussions on this topic received relatively little response
> from the community, I'm sending this email to let you know about the new
> topic posted at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#Wikimania_wikis,
> with regards to having a single unified Wikimania wiki.
>

Comments inline:

>
> From what I understand from the above linked discussion, some key points
> against a unified Wikimania wiki was that:
>
> 1. We will not be able to preserve old Wikimania wikis as a "time capsule"
> 2. Older Wikimania organizers may face new organizers "steamrolling" over
> their pages
> 3. Organizers will not have complete control over the site as old admins
> might interrupt for whatever reasons. (or vice versa)
>
> My though for these points was:
>
> 1. Why not have each Wikimania project branch their pages as
> wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016/Main page, or alternatively, have
> separate namespaces for each project (i.e. 2016:, 2017:, etc). We could
> then protect all pages under a project (i.e. 2016/ or 2016:) once a project
> is over.
>

However, this doesn’t solve the problem of the “time capsule” goal above.
The MediaWiki software of 2006 is very different from that of 2016, so the
design and implementation of an old Wikimania site might be broken as
MediaWiki gets upgraded for subsequent years.

2. This could be avoided by protection, as stated above.
>

Protection doesn’t do it. If it was all on one wiki, a Wikimania organizing
team is somewhat handcuffed by the decisions of accrued, previous years in
terms of organization, naming and templating. Since each Wikimania has its
own flavor and goals, a separate wiki seems to be the most in keeping with
this. Also, with unified login, the case for forcing everyone onto one wiki
for Wikimania is less compelling. I suppose the question also is - what
problem are we trying to solve by making everyone use the same wiki each
year?


> 3. Make it much less complicated. Once the project is over, all previous
> admin rights will be revoked, and the new organizers will get the rights.
> New admins can be advise to not modify previous project namespaces, or if
> better, if we can block previous projects' namespaces from editing?
> Furthermore, there could be a bot logging all changes made to old project
> namespaces, for transparency.
>

Actually, doing all that technical work of revoking, making a bot, and what
you describe sounds like more work than making a new wiki! :)

Now this is not to say what you suggested is not a good idea. But it has to
fit the right community and goals. For example, at Wikiconference North
America/USA, we have pretty much what you have suggested:

https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2014/Main_Page
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2015/Main_Page
https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2016/Main_Page

But the reason why it’s the logical choice in our case of US/North America
– we are interested in continuity in the organizing team and principals. If
we can build on the efficiencies of each year for the next, so much the
better.

This is not something that is necessarily the case with Wikimania, because
of the change in the team, the goal of each Wikimania, and even the
languages of each Wikimania. They are very different each year, and each
team should have the freedom and flexibility to make it their own.

I don’t want to discourage new ways of thinking about Wikimania, it’s just
that this particular dimension seems like one of the more functional parts
of the conference.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] A Wikimania journal

[Andrew Lih]

Actually, this kind of “journal” or mega-report is what we are planning to
do for Wikiconference North America 2016, in that not only do we want to
report back to the WMF what we did with the original grant, but we wanted
to document best practices for future conferences. This also lets partners
(San Diego Public Library and Balboa Park museums) know what we did
during the conference so they can evaluate the ROI of in-kind donations and
collaborations. It won’t happen immediately, but hopefully by the end of
the year for an October conference.

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On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 6:32 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
wrote:

> Hey Gnagarra,
>
> Thanks for the clarification. The report would therefore be quite a costly
> business, if you expect it to be executed by paid staff. And it would
> probably go at the expense of what they would otherwise be doing. 6-12
> months is by the way a very long time to publication!
>
> Could you therefore clarify a bit better what your intended goals are
> besides satisfying curiosity of people like you and me? Because I surely
> can imagine I would appreciate such report as well, I'm just not sure I'd
> consider that enough to produce it :) But if you could find additional
> valued for it, who knows!
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-10-22 12:27 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Its not something that a volunteer could be expected to manage as it
>> would need a dedicated person with resources to follow up with those
>> involved and collate all the information
>>
>> I would see it as something done by the WMF either by their Wikimania
>> team or the media team given the WMF already do a fair portion now for
>> reporting, realising that it would  probably 6 months to year finish, even
>> then it wouldnt capture all the benefits which take even longer to
>> materialise. Once published the Wikimania wiki could be closed down.  The
>> audience is the community, as well as those looking to be involved in a
>> wikimania in the future also anyone that wants to see how international
>> events are organised and our donars.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 October 2016 at 18:09, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Gnagarra,
>>>
>>> (changing topics here as we're going on a tangent)
>>> in an attempt to avoid/limit additional work for organizers that are
>>> totally worn out at the end of a cycle:
>>> - What would be your intended use for such document/journal?
>>> - What would be the intended readership
>>> - Would you imagine volunteering to organize such journal, even if
>>> you're not on the organizing team? After all, anyone could collect such
>>> information together.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2016-10-22 12:06 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> It would be nice to see past events wrapped up into one journal
>>>> covering all aspects from original discussion until the final reporting of
>>>> the event including financials, attendee reports and media reports at the
>>>> moment everything is spread across chapter, foundation, event pages which
>>>> means lessons, pitfalls, successes, the work involved over time arent where
>>>> people can find easily
>>>>
>>>> On 22 October 2016 at 17:56, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the points lodewijk mentioned with styles, and independent user groups
>>>>> working on it are quite valid points imo. additionally the purpose of a
>>>>> wiki is to collaborate on a purpose. if the purpose is gone, no wiki
>>>>> software is necessary. following that logic, one could argue to dump a 
>>>>> past
>>>>> wikimania wiki into a static html page is best. search could be done via
>>>>> standard web search. if the wikis are not disturbing one could let them
>>>>> just sit where they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> rupert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Lodewijk <
>>>>> lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The discussion has now been moved to https://meta.wikimedia.org/
>

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Christophe Henner 
wrote:

>
> If we (as a movement) say it is first an outreach event, then Wikimania
> should happen in part of the world where we have the smallest penetration
> (basicly it takes EU and NA out).
>

It can actually get even more complex than this. The question is, “Outreach
to whom?” If we’re talking outreach to emerging economies, then your answer
is spot on. But if it’s outreach to a certain sector, such as GLAM or
higher ed, then it may make sense to have it where there are a critical
mass of those folks.

For example, we’ve rarely considered co-locating Wikimania with other
like-minded institutions, or adjacent to existing conferences, which might
in fact be in Western hub cities. That is another style of outreach.

This is something a year-by-year bidding process struggles at doing well,
whereas a committee can help facilitate a community process that designs
things several years in advance. That’s why even though I supported the
community bidding process early in Wikimania’s history, we have seen its
many downsides. I support a different approach today that can help engineer
more optimal outcomes.


> It somewhat is all of the above, what should be the most important one?
> And we can say all of them are equally important, but than we must have an
> event that scales to do everything at the same level.
>

Agree, and through the committee, this is something we can help get input
from the community and help steer, so that different years might emphasize
different parts of this checklist.

-Andrew

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

Pine,

I’m going to echo Lodewijk here on emphasizing investing in the community
and also call into question the wisdom of portraying $600,000 of Wikimania
cost as being comparable to hiring four WMF engineers. If you think about
how much Wikipedia/Wikimedia’s brand equity is (most certainly in the
billions of dollars), or the overall budget of WMF (tens of millions of
dollars), a six figure amount to enable, maintain and inspire our volunteer
community to do more, it is an extreme bargain and an excellent return on
investment.

I had a conversation with Deror Avi of WM Israel, and he described how they
account for volunteer time as “in kind donations” for the purposes of their
chapter output and showing impact. If we do the same conservative
calculation with, say, 600 volunteers who attend Wikimania on scholarship
or organically, who might then “donate” 250 hours a year (~5 hours/week),
and consider that donated time worth, on average, about $20/hour (probably
too low), that works out to $3 million in returns. This is, of course, a
back of the napkin calculation. However, the order of magnitude is
significant. You’re roughly looking at a 5x return on what WMF spends to
stage Wikimania, and I’d argue with less conservative numbers, 10x is not
unreasonable.

This is not even taking into account the “pied piper” effect of training
and evangelism at Wikimania having a multiplier effect far beyond
individual training of attendees. It’s through Wikimania that folks like
Liam Wyatt have created and furthered the GLAM movement, or Vassia
Atanassova has infected people with 100 Wikidays, or people doing amazing
things wits Wikidata have been able to feed off each other.

Looking at it this way I’d argue, “How can we, in good conscience, *not*
spend $600,000 on our community?”

Perhaps one problem is that these types of benefits are so obvious to most
Wikimania attendees, but fairly unknown to those who haven’t been, or
rarely attend. If it’s useful, as someone on the Wikimania Committee, I’d
like to try to surface more experiences and opinions to get a better
overall picture of the net benefit of Wikimania for our movement. I’d
welcome any and all ideas on how we can best do that.

-Andrew


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On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed. I think that more data would be useful, including information such
> as what you highlighted here. I'd also be interested in projections of
> total attendance and costs (including travel costs and staff time) for
> Wikimania vs. having more or expanded national and regional conferences.
>
> There's a substantial financial cost to all of this. It looks like the
> cost for Wikimania 2016, including scholarships, was about $500,000
> excluding WMF and affiliate staff time, staff travel expenses, and expenses
> for those who paid their own flights. Ellie might be able to provide us
> with a better estimate of the total cost with those numbers included; my
> guess is that it was around $600,000, which is substantial. WMF might be
> able to hire four full-time engineers for a year for that amount. If WMF
> and the community are going to spend that much money every year on an
> annual conference, with the majority of that money coming from donors who
> give small-dollar amounts, I think that we need to think carefully and
> thoroughly about how we plan the conference (or conferences) to align with
> the goals of our donors and what we tell our donors. I believe that there
> is value in having face-to-face meetings and presentations; what isn't
> clear to me is whether the current Wikimania model should be continued or
> whether those funds would be better invested in regional and national
> conferences. I'm hoping that a careful analysis can be done that provides
> us some guidance about how to optimize our use of these financial resources.
>
> Pine
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Deryck Chan <deryckc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I find it a bit over the top too to have such a letter, so strongly
>> worded, and signed by so many board chairs.
>>
>> It reveals a divide between those who participated in the IdeaLab
>> survey[1] and those who were at the Future of Wikimania session in Esino.
>>
>> It would perhaps be interesting to see if correlations can be revealed as
>> to what demographic of Wikimedian prefer 1 year per Wikimania and what
>> demographic prefer 2 year per Wikimania - like geographical distribution,
>> involvement in local Wikimedia groups (staff / board / other volunteer /
>> not a participan

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

Harry,

Since Wikimania-L is relatively low traffic, I believe it’s entirely
on-topic to discuss the support of Wikimania by chapters as long as it
doesn’t get too long winded. Plus, doesn’t Wikimedia-L get enough conflict
as it is? :)

Thanks.

-Andrew


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On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:25 AM, Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can we argue about who signed what on Wikimedia-l or some other forum
> please? We get bogged down in enough silly arguments about Wikimania on
> this list, never mind silly arguments about governance of participants in
> silly arguments.
>
> Harry Mitchell
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>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 4:33 AM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you. I find it confusing that the letter starts with "The
>> chairpersons of the Wikimedia chapters state that Wikimania needs to be
>> arranged every year," which implies that all of the chapter chairs are
>> united in agreement, but it appears several chapters didn't sign the
>> letter. Looking further at the content of the letter, I would have some
>> questions about some of the statements that were made there. In the future,
>> I would encourage chapter chairs to have discussions about matters such as
>> this on the Affiliates mailing list so that we can have more inclusive
>> discussions among more affiliates before sending letters like that. The
>> Wikimania situation is already convoluted, and I believe that letters such
>> as this should get fuller discussion among affiliates before they are sent
>> to WMF.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pine
>> On Jul 8, 2016 20:04, "Christophe Henner" <chen...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> My bad I forgot it already is on meta
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Statements/Chapter_chairs_statement:_Wikimania_needs_to_be_arranged_every_year
>>> Le 9 juil. 2016 4:50 AM, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> Thanks Christophe. I, for one, have had difficulty figuring out what is
>>> going on with Wikimania in regards to varying decisions in different parts
>>> of WMF and the community, so I look forward to the clarifications.
>>>
>>> Personally I am currently neutral on the decision of whether to have
>>> annual Wikimanias, or alternate Wikimanias with years in which there is
>>> emphasis on national or regional conferences. My hunch is that some
>>> research about costs and benefits is needed so that we have reliable data
>>> about a variety of scenarios before making a decision.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for working on this.
>>>
>>> To the board chairs: I would be interested in seeing that letter. In the
>>> spirit of transparency, would you please publish it on Meta? As you know I
>>> am an advocate for much more transparency from WMF, and I would like for
>>> the affiliates to also to be transparent about governance matters such as
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Jul 8, 2016 19:18, "Christophe Henner" <chen...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> The same question was raised to the board a few days ago by chairs of
>>>> Wikimedia organizations asking Foundation's board to make sure there's a
>>>> comprehensive decision on this very topic.
>>>>
>>>> The chairs letter wasn't public, I let them share it on meta or here if
>>>> they want to :)
>>>>
>>>> First step, in my opinion, is to set expectations and define the scope
>>>> (in the role of the event but also in the ressources (both human and
>>>> financial) we commit to the event.
>>>>
>>>> Katherine is working with the staff to provide groundings.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the answer I provided them with.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Hi chairs!
>>>>
>>>> First of all, thank you with the email, the feedback is clearly useful
>>>> and raises interesting point.
>>>>
>>>> Now, the Wikimania discussion definitly is on the table. Living by what
>>>> we said during Wikimania, we, as WMF, will make sure we end up

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

Attendee safety has always been, and will continue to be, a serious
consideration.

I will note that Wikimania has been held in Mexico, Egypt and Israel with
similar concerns for those locations. Those places all show up in the
Global Peace Index list of most dangerous countries, and we found ways to
hold successful conferences there. There is no guarantee that a South
Africa location would be without issues, but it does show that we are not
in unfamiliar territory when considering these types of risks.

Thanks.
-Andrew




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On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:21 AM, Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I find the idea of holding Wikimania in sub-Saharan Africa quite exciting.
> It would potentially be a very different sort of event, and it would have
> the chance to leave a lasting legacy. Speaking of South Africa, though, is
> it unfair of me to say to that the country has a reputation for lawlessness
> and violent crime? Is this something the powers that be will take into
> consideration?
>
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>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 12:05 AM, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh. Good point !
>>
>> The term "interest" referred to Wikimedia South Africa, which expressed
>> interest into etc.
>>
>> During Wikimania, various groups were approached by us (by Ellie). And
>> other groups approached us. To express their interest in holding Wikimania
>> in the future.
>>
>> For example, on Sunday evening, at Pizzeria 51, a few minutes before the
>> sky decided to fall on our heads, I was told Bangkok was interested for
>> 2020 !
>>
>> Florence
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 08/07/16 à 21:50, Lodewijk a écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks for the clarification, Florence. If I may ask another: the
>>> 'interest' expressed, does that refer to interest expressed by
>>> South-African Wikimedians, or by the Committee?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2016-07-08 21:38 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:fdevou...@gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Le 08/07/16 à 16:01, Chris Keating a écrit :
>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>>
>>> I was interested to read the minutes of the most recent Wikimania
>>> Committee meeting, which decided that Wikimania will be held
>>> annually
>>> from now on, and that it will be in sub-Saharan Africa
>>> (effectively
>>> meaning South Africa) in 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pointing out that the minutes do not say that it will be in
>>> sub-Saharan Africa. It says
>>>
>>> "The CfP should identify the priority given for that year to
>>> Sub-Saharan Africa, noting that there is expressed interest in
>>> hosting in the Republic of South Africa. "
>>>
>>> The difference is subtle, but there is a difference.
>>> The committee actually drafted an official announcement, which was
>>> supposed to be published quickly after the committee minutes.
>>> But we have been asked to refrain from publishing our announcement
>>> until after the WMF has been consulted on the matter.
>>>
>>> I am happy to disclose the sentence currently drafted for our (not
>>> yet published) announcement, which is
>>>
>>> "Considering this, the Committee has a mild preference for
>>> Sub-Saharan Africa for 2018, but is of course willing to look at
>>> proposals for hosting Wikimania 2018 in other locations. "
>>>
>>>
>>> Florence
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Committee/Minutes/2016-06-26
>>>
>>> Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's
>>> decision being
>>> informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania,
>>> or anyone
>>> from the WMF's community engagement department being present.
>>>
>>> I have to say I'm a bit confused, not least about who actually
>>> makes the
>>> decision about how frequently Wikimania happens. Is

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

Yes, and I should have also mentioned that this statement from the chairs
was read out loud during the Esino Lario discussion session on “The Future
of Wikimania.”

-Andrew


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On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Christophe Henner <chen...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> My bad I forgot it already is on meta
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Statements/Chapter_chairs_statement:_Wikimania_needs_to_be_arranged_every_year
> Le 9 juil. 2016 4:50 AM, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Thanks Christophe. I, for one, have had difficulty figuring out what is
> going on with Wikimania in regards to varying decisions in different parts
> of WMF and the community, so I look forward to the clarifications.
>
> Personally I am currently neutral on the decision of whether to have
> annual Wikimanias, or alternate Wikimanias with years in which there is
> emphasis on national or regional conferences. My hunch is that some
> research about costs and benefits is needed so that we have reliable data
> about a variety of scenarios before making a decision.
>
> Thanks again for working on this.
>
> To the board chairs: I would be interested in seeing that letter. In the
> spirit of transparency, would you please publish it on Meta? As you know I
> am an advocate for much more transparency from WMF, and I would like for
> the affiliates to also to be transparent about governance matters such as
> this one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
> On Jul 8, 2016 19:18, "Christophe Henner" <chen...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> The same question was raised to the board a few days ago by chairs of
>> Wikimedia organizations asking Foundation's board to make sure there's a
>> comprehensive decision on this very topic.
>>
>> The chairs letter wasn't public, I let them share it on meta or here if
>> they want to :)
>>
>> First step, in my opinion, is to set expectations and define the scope
>> (in the role of the event but also in the ressources (both human and
>> financial) we commit to the event.
>>
>> Katherine is working with the staff to provide groundings.
>>
>> Here is the answer I provided them with.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi chairs!
>>
>> First of all, thank you with the email, the feedback is clearly useful
>> and raises interesting point.
>>
>> Now, the Wikimania discussion definitly is on the table. Living by what
>> we said during Wikimania, we, as WMF, will make sure we end up with a clear
>> answer to your questions but also to the different points you raise.
>>
>> Wikimania is an important time in our movement, but as you said it also
>> comes with costs and challenges that we have to adress. Katherine is going
>> to meet in the coming days with the staff in charge of that topic to start
>> that discussion within WMF and provide groundings for a comprehensive
>> decision.
>>
>> We will try to be as diligent as possible on that topic, but I would ask
>> you to keep in mind that as we're in a transition phase and that might take
>> a little more time than you could expect.
>>
>> Again thank you for your email, I love the fact that he raises issues but
>> also includes the challenges we have to take care of :)
>>
>> We'll get back to you as soon as possible to continue that discussion.
>>
>> Have all a really great day / night :)
>>
>> Christophe
>>
>> While I concur with Coren’s conclusion, I’ll try to neutrally report on
>> the events at Wikimania which led to this result. :)
>>
>> Full disclosure: I’m a fan of Wikimania being yearly, and was asked to
>> serve on the Wikimania Committee after Esino Lario. I was also the main
>> moderator of the Wikimania 2016 session on the “Future of Wikimania.” These
>> views are my own, and not anything official from the committee.
>>
>> Background: Many folks (I’d say a majority) who I talked to in Esino
>> Lario early in the conference thought that the decision to do Wikimania
>> every other year was a done deal, as a result of the IdeaLab consultation.
>> I told them that might not necessarily be so. The vote was close, not
>> particularly widely known, and we could still be heard. Chris Schilling
>> from the WMF, who oversaw the Idealab consultation, sought me out
>> specifically at the start of the confe

Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania - annually, with South Africa in 2018?

[Andrew Lih]

While I concur with Coren’s conclusion, I’ll try to neutrally report on the
events at Wikimania which led to this result. :)

Full disclosure: I’m a fan of Wikimania being yearly, and was asked to
serve on the Wikimania Committee after Esino Lario. I was also the main
moderator of the Wikimania 2016 session on the “Future of Wikimania.” These
views are my own, and not anything official from the committee.

Background: Many folks (I’d say a majority) who I talked to in Esino Lario
early in the conference thought that the decision to do Wikimania every
other year was a done deal, as a result of the IdeaLab consultation. I told
them that might not necessarily be so. The vote was close, not particularly
widely known, and we could still be heard. Chris Schilling from the WMF,
who oversaw the Idealab consultation, sought me out specifically at the
start of the conference and to my delight, said that the consultation was
“just another data point,” and that it was by no means the final word on
things. Obviously, this was good news to people who were interested in
keeping a yearly Wikimania.

I was scheduled to moderate the “Future of Wikimania” discussion session
[1] at the very end of the conference, and encouraged people to let their
views be heard. It was under these conditions that we entered into the
final discussion room and I asked Chris Schilling to give an opening
statement to the room. Most people were happy to hear him say that it was
“just another data point.” During the discussion, there was overwhelming
support to keep Wikimania going every year, which is not a surprise
considering this was *at* Wikimania. I encourage folks to peruse the
Etherpad notes, which are quite extensive and expertly done by several
folks there.

Some views I’d highlight:
- Having yearly Wikimania is important to keep the momentum of the movement
going, according to many
- A case for cancelling yearly Wikimania was to encourage/fund regional
meetups. However, there is no guarantee that those regional meetups would
actually take place, or that WMF would necessarily take the money saved
from Wikimania to fund them. Some folks from Asia specifically said that
there is weaker linguistic, cultural and geographic synergy for an “Asian”
conference like there is in Europe and Africa, which is why it has been
hard to do one.
- One person noted that one trip to Wikimania served the same role as
several international trips to get the same benefit from meeting other
Wikimedians/developers, so there are indeed cost efficiencies in having a
central conference.

Thanks.

[1]
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discussions/The_future_of_Wikimania
[2] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/Wikimania2016-discussion7b




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On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Marc-Andre <m...@uberbox.org> wrote:

> On 2016-07-08 10:01 AM, Chris Keating wrote:
>
>> Interestingly, I couldn't see any sign of the Committee's decision being
>> informed by the WMF's consultation on the future of Wikimania, or anyone
>> from the WMF's community engagement department being present.
>>
>
> Wikimania is, and always was, a community led and organized event. The
> WMF, as its traditional biggest sponsor[1], has a great deal of influence
> in the matter - but ultimately no decision power beyond "fund and resource
> or not".
>
> The committee's decision has indeed taken into account the consultation
> you refer to - as well as the roundtable discussion on the "Future of
> Wikimania" that took place earlier[2].  Our evaluation, which is reflected
> in that resolution, is that the consultation was clearly flawed and that
> its conclusion does not reflect consensus - neither of the community
> members who organize nor of those who attend Wikimania.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
> [1] Although "underwrite" might be a better term - the WMF has pretty much
> shouldered the vast majority of the costs and given the most logistical
> support year in and year out.
>
> [2] Where the consensus was to overwhelmingly reject that consultation's
> conclusion in favor or continuing with Wikimania as a yearly even given its
> irreplaceable role in our movement.
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[Wikimania-l] Wikipedia Weekly Podcast Covers Wikimania 2016

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

The Wikipedia Weekly podcast recorded a wrap-up episode following Wikimania
2016 with James Forrester, Deryck Chan and myself. You can visit web page
below to play it, discuss it at the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group, or
find alternative formats on the Internet Archive.

Web site:
http://wikipediaweekly.org/podcast/wikipedia-weekly-122-wikimania-2016-in-esino-lario/

Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/

Internet Archive:
https://archive.org/details/wikipedia-weekly-122

Thanks to the Esino Lario team for an unforgettable conference.

-Andrew Lih
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[Wikimania-l] Thursday volunteers at MXP?

[Andrew Lih]

Sorry to bother the whole list - are there or will there be blue shirt
volunteers at MXP today, Thursday? I've been looking around for over an
hour with no sign of them and I have a ticket booked via the airport
transfers sold by the organizing team via Eventbrite.

If not, I'll abandon the ticket and make my way to Esino by other transport
but I need to know. Anyone who can let the powers that be know, thanks.

Andrew


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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport

[Andrew Lih]

Anika, thanks for that. I think you’re right that all tickets have the June
21, 9am -> June 27, 1130pm time span on them.

That messes up some travel management systems, like Tripit, that use the
field for filling in calendars and itineraries, which is where I first
noticed the problem. As long as the reservation in the “Type” field is
accurate, I think it should be fine.

-Andrew


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On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 2:18 AM, Anika Born <wikian...@wikipedia.de> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> maybe "Date+Time" is when Wikimania takes places (in Esino Lario)? inkl.
> PreConference (Hackathon); from Tuesday, *June 21, 2016* at *9:00 AM*
> till Monday, June 27, 2016 at 11:30 PM?
>
> Your ticket is Thursday, *June 23, 2016 at 11 AM* from Malpensa to Esino
> (hope 11 am is departure of the bus at MXP).
>
> Could that be?
>
> Anika
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
>  Virenfrei.
> www.avast.com
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail>
> <#m_8142716397677806545_DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> 2016-06-16 7:09 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih <and...@andrewlih.com>:
>
>> Thanks to the Esino team for re-opening the bus transfers.
>>
>> However, after purchasing a ticket, there seems to be a discrepancy.
>>
>> I purchased a June 23, 11am MXP->Esino ticket. One part says 9am, the
>> other part says 11am. Perhaps in copying/pasting info, something was not
>> done correctly? Please advise.
>>
>> Image of the ticket:
>> https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7087/27702011365_ffb9b4520d_b.jpg
>>
>> -Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:05 PM, aude <aude.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2016 20:14, "DaB." <w...@dabpunkt.eu> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello.
>>> > Am 15.06.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Raul Kern:
>>> > > Looks like the sale for airport direct transfers has been reopened
>>> > > (https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration)
>>> >
>>> > That was not the question of Martin. The question was how to find the
>>> > buses at the airport.
>>>
>>> The airport bus page now has a lot more of these details
>>>
>>> I am no longer concerned that people will have trouble to find the bus
>>> at the airport
>>>
>>> Katie
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport

[Andrew Lih]

Thanks to the Esino team for re-opening the bus transfers.

However, after purchasing a ticket, there seems to be a discrepancy.

I purchased a June 23, 11am MXP->Esino ticket. One part says 9am, the other
part says 11am. Perhaps in copying/pasting info, something was not done
correctly? Please advise.

Image of the ticket:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7087/27702011365_ffb9b4520d_b.jpg

-Andrew


On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 11:05 PM, aude  wrote:

>
> On Jun 15, 2016 20:14, "DaB."  wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> > Am 15.06.2016 um 22:55 schrieb Raul Kern:
> > > Looks like the sale for airport direct transfers has been reopened
> > > (https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration)
> >
> > That was not the question of Martin. The question was how to find the
> > buses at the airport.
>
> The airport bus page now has a lot more of these details
>
> I am no longer concerned that people will have trouble to find the bus at
> the airport
>
> Katie
>
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > DaB.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Accommodation

[Andrew Lih]

Please let us know when the bus transfers are open again.

I will note:

The May 15 cutoff date for registration with accommodation was NOT
announced on the mailing list.

The May 31 cutoff date for airport transfers to be booked was NOT announced
on the mailing list.

>From what I can tell, the announcement that the bus transfers were
available for online purchase was May 16, in a response email by Iolanda.
There was no standalone announcement. That is, there was no email titled
“Bus transfers available for purchase” to let people know. Apparently,
purchasing a bus transfer was only available two weeks. That is much too
narrow a window, much too little fair notice, on top of a very confusing
procedure.

In fact, if you look at the entire May archive of Wikimania-L, there is far
too little communication.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2016-May/thread.html

There are only 4 threads and 23 total messages, most of them questions and
requests from individuals. I’m pleading with the organizers to err on the
side of too much, rather than too little communication.

I can only feel that those trying to attend Wikimania who are not WMF staff
or full scholarship recipients are being treated as second class attendees.

I understand how hard organizing Wikimania is, as I was involved in many
aspects of executing the conference in its early years. However, clear
travel logistics is something the organizer must guarantee. The bidding
team knew this when it started with this unusual bid, and it must follow
through.

-Andrew



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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Marta Pigazzini <mc.pigazz...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Andrew,
>
> the link worked, it has been active until the 31st of may and we have
> received a number of bookings for the bus transfer from the airport to
> Esino and back. It was closed on the 31st in order for us to define the
> number of buses and set a timetable.
> Stuart is now working on re-opening the registration to buy the remaining
> seats at the following link:
>
>
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2016-airport-transfers-tickets-22670558250
>
> Please also note that the main arrival is on the 21st of June (we are
> expecting approx. 70% of participants on this day). This is why we do not
> have many people booked for Thursday the 23rd.
>
> Kind regards,
> Marta
>
>
>
>
> Il 13/06/16 15:58, Andrew Lih ha scritto:
>
> Iolanda, I find this entirely unsatisfactory:
>
> “If you did not buy a ticket for your direct transport from and to the
> airport, you do not have direct transport from and to the airport.”
>
> The link never worked the many times I tried. Andy Mabbett and I have
> reported to you the problems with the Eventbrite link being listed as
> “unavailable.” Your current schedule says on a main travel day of Thursday,
> 23 June, only enough people (4?) have requested Malpensa -> Esino
> transportation. I find that hard to believe considering the volume of folks
> going to the conference.
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey/Airports
>
> Can we please get some more help for coordinating travel from the
> Wikimania team? I feel we are working in the dark here. Thanks.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
>
>
> -Andrew Lih
> Associate professor of journalism, American University
> Email: and...@andrewlih.com
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> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://
> <http://www.wikipediarevolution.com>www.wikipediarevolution.com
> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>
>> dear all
>> Everyone – who has got a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario and
>> received a confirmation from eventbrite – has accommodation in Esino Lario.
>> Marta and Patrizia have assigned all the beds.
>> You will be given your address and keys in Piazza Italia in Esino Lario
>> at your arrival; we expect you to arrive the 21st or the 23rd according to
>> to the 5 or 3 days ticket you got.
>> Marta will send you today some further information about your travel and
>> arrival.
>>
>> Pleonastic, but
>> If you did not buy a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario, you don’t
>> have accommodation in Esino Lario.
>> If you did not buy a ticket for your direct transport from and to the
>> airport, you do not have direct transport from and to the airport.
>> Eventually you can get worrie

Re: [Wikimania-l] Accommodation

[Andrew Lih]

Iolanda, I find this entirely unsatisfactory:

“If you did not buy a ticket for your direct transport from and to the
airport, you do not have direct transport from and to the airport.”

The link never worked the many times I tried. Andy Mabbett and I have
reported to you the problems with the Eventbrite link being listed as
“unavailable.” Your current schedule says on a main travel day of Thursday,
23 June, only enough people (4?) have requested Malpensa -> Esino
transportation. I find that hard to believe considering the volume of folks
going to the conference.

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey/Airports

Can we please get some more help for coordinating travel from the Wikimania
team? I feel we are working in the dark here. Thanks.

-Andrew




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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:24 AM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:

> dear all
> Everyone – who has got a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario and
> received a confirmation from eventbrite – has accommodation in Esino Lario.
> Marta and Patrizia have assigned all the beds.
> You will be given your address and keys in Piazza Italia in Esino Lario at
> your arrival; we expect you to arrive the 21st or the 23rd according to to
> the 5 or 3 days ticket you got.
> Marta will send you today some further information about your travel and
> arrival.
>
> Pleonastic, but
> If you did not buy a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario, you don’t
> have accommodation in Esino Lario.
> If you did not buy a ticket for your direct transport from and to the
> airport, you do not have direct transport from and to the airport.
> Eventually you can get worried if you don’t have an eventbrite
> confirmation.
>
> I personally consider wikipedians and wikimedians the most intelligent
> people I can spend time with. We certainly pretend you to get to Esino
> Lario, to find the right bus, to take the train in the right direction
> (please note that Tirano is not Torino), to sign up for events and to read
> (and cite) all necessary sources. Certainly… it’s the beginning of a great
> adventure.
> iolanda
>
>
>
> Il giorno 13 giu 2016, alle ore 13:03, Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> Nothing here, and with only a week to go before I start my travels. I
> sympathise with the organisers who are being bombarded with all sorts of
> questions and no doubt have many other things to worry about. I remember
> how that felt in 2014. But these are not minor details for people
> travelling long distances, especially for those of us who have taken time
> off work and spent our own money to get there.
>
> Could we trouble the organisers at least for a date by which we'll have
> some information on where we're staying?
>
> Thanks,
> Harry
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>
> On Mon, 13 Jun, 2016 at 11:47, Andy Mabbett
> <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
> On 6 June 2016 at 15:26, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > as elllie put on her previous emails, you will receive details separately
> > very soon
>
> A week has passed since the above reply; I'm concerned that I still
> have no information about where I shall be staying, nor indeed whether
> I have somewhere to stay. Does anyone else?
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Accommodation

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

This is not official but practical advice for attendees — if your luggage
is lost/delayed/separated from you, it will likely never make it to you in
Esino Lario during the conference. It is too far, and off the main
transportation routes for any airline to deliver it to you. They’ll
probably hold it at the main airport for when you return.

Therefore, please pack and keep with you as carry on luggage a bare minimum
of clothes/toiletries/medication you need for the entire conference in case
the worst happens.

Safe travels,
-Andrew

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Iolanda, for those of us traveling from outside of Europe, we will
> normally have to provide a proper destination address as part of our
> customs and immigration process.  "Esino Lario" won't normally be enough;
> in fact, it's my experience that at least half the time when traveling to
> Europe, I have had to show my reservation confirmation.  We also need our
> destination address to include it in our luggage so that if it is
> misdirected, there is still some chance that it might find us before the
> conference is over.  Having had my luggage go missing on more than one
> transatlantic flight - knowing that my destination address is well
> identified in association with my luggage is a Big Deal.  Again,
> just "Esino Lario" isn't going to cut it.  An actual address is required.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 13 June 2016 at 08:24, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>
>> dear all
>> Everyone – who has got a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario and
>> received a confirmation from eventbrite – has accommodation in Esino Lario.
>> Marta and Patrizia have assigned all the beds.
>> You will be given your address and keys in Piazza Italia in Esino Lario
>> at your arrival; we expect you to arrive the 21st or the 23rd according to
>> to the 5 or 3 days ticket you got.
>> Marta will send you today some further information about your travel and
>> arrival.
>>
>> Pleonastic, but
>> If you did not buy a ticket with accommodation in Esino Lario, you don’t
>> have accommodation in Esino Lario.
>> If you did not buy a ticket for your direct transport from and to the
>> airport, you do not have direct transport from and to the airport.
>> Eventually you can get worried if you don’t have an eventbrite
>> confirmation.
>>
>> I personally consider wikipedians and wikimedians the most intelligent
>> people I can spend time with. We certainly pretend you to get to Esino
>> Lario, to find the right bus, to take the train in the right direction
>> (please note that Tirano is not Torino), to sign up for events and to read
>> (and cite) all necessary sources. Certainly… it’s the beginning of a great
>> adventure.
>> iolanda
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno 13 giu 2016, alle ore 13:03, Harry Mitchell <hjmw...@gmail.com>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>> Nothing here, and with only a week to go before I start my travels. I
>> sympathise with the organisers who are being bombarded with all sorts of
>> questions and no doubt have many other things to worry about. I remember
>> how that felt in 2014. But these are not minor details for people
>> travelling long distances, especially for those of us who have taken time
>> off work and spent our own money to get there.
>>
>> Could we trouble the organisers at least for a date by which we'll have
>> some information on where we're staying?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harry
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>>
>> On Mon, 13 Jun, 2016 at 11:47, Andy Mabbett
>> <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 6 June 2016 at 15:26, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > as elllie put on her previous emails, you will receive details
>> separately
>> > very soon
>>
>> A week has passed since the above reply; I'm concerned that I still
>> have no information about where I shall be staying, nor indeed whether
>> I have somewhere to stay. Does anyone else?
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport - do you still need a ticket from the airport

[Andrew Lih]

For the record, I’d be interested in the Thursday morning 11am service from
Malpensa to Esino. I didn’t know where to sign up for these rides.

-Andrew


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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:

> The busses are meant for people who requested transport (eventbrite,
> scholarships and Wikimedia Foundation staff). If you did not requested
> direct transport, you can still buy a seat. we will post the remaining
> available seats on eventbrite you can buy (by Monday - i'll send you a
> notification here).
>
> When there is written taxi, it is because we have less than 4 requests.
>
> I thought this info was already available. I have posted it here
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Journey/Varenna_Esino_busses
>
> @Andrew can you please post the info also in facebook? Thanks
>
> Iolanda
> --
> Iolanda Pensa iPhone
>
> Il giorno 09 giu 2016, alle ore 22:15, Lodewijk <
> lodew...@effeietsanders.org> ha scritto:
>
> btw, also for the other buses it would be good to know whether we need to
> book (guess not?).
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-06-09 22:08 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih <and...@andrewlih.com>:
>
>> Also, the previous Eventbrite link to book tickets is password protected,
>> and it asks to “Contact organizer.”
>>
>> Thanks.
>> -Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> -Andrew Lih
>> Associate professor of journalism, American University
>> Email: and...@andrewlih.com
>> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
>> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
>> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>>
>>> In the page you find Varenna-Esino and Esino-Varenna
>>> please let me know if i did not understand the question.
>>> iolanda
>>>
>>> Il giorno 09/giu/2016, alle ore 19:36, Lodewijk <
>>> lodew...@effeietsanders.org> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Thanks indeed. The schedule of the buses from Varenna to Esino Lario
>>> (going towards Wikimania) is missing, it seems. Could that be added too? I
>>> suspect I will be arriving by ferry to Varenna.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Lodewijk
>>>
>>> 2016-06-09 18:49 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
>>>
>>>> On 9 June 2016 at 16:42, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey/Airport_busses
>>>>
>>>> Do we need to book? In advance, or at Wikimania?
>>>>
>>>> If not, how can we be sure of having a place?
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport

[Andrew Lih]

Also, the previous Eventbrite link to book tickets is password protected,
and it asks to “Contact organizer.”

Thanks.
-Andrew



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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:

> In the page you find Varenna-Esino and Esino-Varenna
> please let me know if i did not understand the question.
> iolanda
>
> Il giorno 09/giu/2016, alle ore 19:36, Lodewijk <
> lodew...@effeietsanders.org> ha scritto:
>
> Thanks indeed. The schedule of the buses from Varenna to Esino Lario
> (going towards Wikimania) is missing, it seems. Could that be added too? I
> suspect I will be arriving by ferry to Varenna.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-06-09 18:49 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
>
>> On 9 June 2016 at 16:42, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>>
>> > https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey/Airport_busses
>>
>> Do we need to book? In advance, or at Wikimania?
>>
>> If not, how can we be sure of having a place?
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Airport transfers "unavailable"

[Andrew Lih]

Is there a response to this query? FYI, the Eventbrite screen now reads
that it is password protected, and to “Contact organizer”

Thanks.
-Andrew


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On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:

> I have just visited:
>
>
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/wikimania-2016-airport-transfers-tickets-22670558250
>
> as I need to arrange my transport from Esino Lario to the airport on
> 27 June, only to find it says "unavailable".
>
> How may i book transport?
>
> (I am making my own way from Milan to Esino Lario at the start of
> Wikimania)
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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport

[Andrew Lih]

Hi Iolanda,

Could I ask what “11am (taxi)” means in terms of transportation from
Malpensa? Thanks.



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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:

> In the page you find Varenna-Esino and Esino-Varenna
> please let me know if i did not understand the question.
> iolanda
>
> Il giorno 09/giu/2016, alle ore 19:36, Lodewijk <
> lodew...@effeietsanders.org> ha scritto:
>
> Thanks indeed. The schedule of the buses from Varenna to Esino Lario
> (going towards Wikimania) is missing, it seems. Could that be added too? I
> suspect I will be arriving by ferry to Varenna.
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> 2016-06-09 18:49 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
>
>> On 9 June 2016 at 16:42, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:
>>
>> > https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey/Airport_busses
>>
>> Do we need to book? In advance, or at Wikimania?
>>
>> If not, how can we be sure of having a place?
>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] transport from Milan airports to Esino Lario

[Andrew Lih]

Hi, can you update us on whether the table has been added to the Wikimania
web site?

This page which describe “Airport transfers” has no links to anything:
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration

I don’t see a link or table here either:
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Journey

Thanks.

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On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Iolanda Pensa <iola...@pensa.it> wrote:

> we had the meeting with the transport company yesterday and I have now the
> transport plan (we were waiting for the flight plan of the around 200
> people WMF is managing).
>
> give me a moment to put it in a table on wikimania website.
> best
> iolanda
>
> Il giorno 27 mag 2016, alle ore 21:37, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
> Hi all,
>
> In general - when will the individual ticket holders be contacted directly
> about the most convenient pick up matching their travel times (also
> considering the limitations)?
> Will you offer refunds if no suitable options are available (e.g. there is
> no shuttle to the relevant airport in a suitable time)?
>
> Thank you for all the hard work you put into organising the event and the
> logistics,
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
> Lane Rasberry <l...@bluerasberry.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2016. máj. 27.,
> P, 20:16):
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Like Orsolya - I also want information about finding the bus at the
>> airport.
>>
>> Whenever there is information, if it could be posted to a Wikimania page,
>> then that would be useful. I would watch for updates there.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Orsolya Virág Gyenes <
>> orsolyavi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Iolanda,
>>>
>>> Which terminal will the buses leaving from on Malpensa?
>>> Thank you.
>>> 2016. máj. 15. 11:28 ezt írta ("Iolanda Pensa" <iola...@pensa.it>):
>>>
>>>> dear all
>>>> we plan to have direct busses (if there are reservations) to Esino
>>>> Lario on Tuesday 21st and Thursday 23rd
>>>> * from Milano Malpensa at 11am, 3 pm and 9pm
>>>> * from Linate at 3pm
>>>> * from Orio al serio at 7pm
>>>>
>>>> The direct return busses will be on Monday:
>>>> * To Milano Malpensa at 5am (estimated arrival at 7.30am), 9am
>>>> (estimated arrival at 11.30am) and 2pm (estimated arrival at 4.30pm)
>>>> * To Milan at 9am (arrival at 11).
>>>> On Sunday there is too much traffic and it is much better to use the
>>>> train from Varenna to Milano Centrale and then trans/public busses to the
>>>> airports.
>>>>
>>>> please contact me also off list if you have any suggestion we will try
>>>> to accomodate. We can not have busses every 2 hours otherwise the cost for
>>>> a one way ticket is around 150 euro. We will probably add more busses when
>>>> Wikimedia Foundation will have figure out the tickets for the scholarship
>>>> recipients and staff members. Please also consider blablacar (car sharing
>>>> system) if you travel from Italy or if you rent a car.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Iolanda
>>>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Notifications of acceptance and rejection for "Critical issues" presentations

[Andrew Lih]

One thing that would help make sense of where we are now: remind us how the
overall structure of the conference is going to include not just the 42
“critical issues” sessions picked out of EasyChair, but also ones via other
processes. Make it clear, repeat it constantly, and give links to people to
understand it.

Right now, I cannot figure out the proportion, appropriateness or overall
relationship of user digest presentations, critical issues or discussions,
as laid out here: https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions

For example, consider the high profile SXSW conference. They represent the
content breakdown like this:
40% programming committee
30% public votes
30% staff

This tries to assure folks that good content will get recognized through
one of three different processes.

Since this year’s Wikimania process is so new, there’s a lot of confusion
on how to slot in other ideas outside of the formal EasyChair submissions.
To wit, on the Submissions page of Wikimania 2016:

- “User digest presentations" - When the page says “Contact the Thematic
Liaison,” the user is almost always at least two clicks away from finding a
way to contact that person. Even worse, for many users, clicking on their
name sends you to a confusing page: “
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Username“ What
is the average user supposed to do with that?

- “Discussions” page is a red link. There is not even a simple description
of what this is. Same thing with “Community Village”

- Even a brief paragraph or a diagram showing the 10,000 foot/3048 meter
view of the overall plan would be welcome on the submissions page. Right
now there is no prose, only six big categories. This requires a lot of
haphazard clicking and piecing together of the conference narrative. The
only thing I found useful to describe the overall programming strategy is
in the what is “NOT accepted” list in the critical issues guidelines, as
described in this subsection:
https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Critical_issues_presentations#Topic


I don’t mean to pile-on the Wikimania 2016 team, as I know how arduous it
is to do this conference. I hope you’ll see this as not just griping, but
constructive feedback on how to make the site and process better for users.

Thanks.

-Andrew Lih
Associate professor of journalism, American University
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PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4 February 2016 at 14:50, Lydia Pintscher
> <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > I got a very similar comment assuming I knew little about Wikidata. As
> its
> > product manager...
>
> Anyone who has been burdened with doing these sorts of reviews will
> feel some sympathy for those giving the feedback. It is easy to upset
> a lot of people if the process is not well thought out. Where there
> are marking discrepancies, the workflow should mean it goes to another
> independent reviewer and there is a meeting (like 2 minutes in a
> Hangout discussion) where there is final agreement on the rating/mark
> *and* the feedback that should be given.
>
> Even without discrepancies in marks, feedback needs to be positive and
> supportive, this is all volunteers giving their time after all, not
> postgrads getting critical essay feedback. That means the workflow
> also needs to include regular checks and team meetings to talk about
> how to best ensure marks and feedback remains consistent, even when
> the experience and viewpoints of the reviewers may be highly varied.
>
> Lots of lessons to be summarized for later, and probably a need to
> consider whether now is a good time put up your hands and formally
> admit to problems in consistency. Asking submitters to give their
> feedback and suggestions on-wiki, even if is too late to change any
> decision, was a good response.
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '16 Scholarship & Submission Deadlines are Approaching!

[Andrew Lih]

Another query. The submissions page currently says:

“If you want to present a project you can make a poster (a link to will be
soon provided).”

Do you have a link for this or any info? This will help submitters decide
whether their ideas are better for a full submission or a poster. Thanks.

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Andrew Lih <and...@andrewlih.com> wrote:

> A kind suggestion:
>
> Can you break down the proper dates for Wikimania on the front page of the
> Wikimania wiki?
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> Right now it looks like an eight day conference as it specifies June
> 21-28, but that’s inaccurate.
>
> You should probably break it down like this:
>
> Pre-conference - June 22-23, 2016
> Main conference - June 24-26, 2016
>
> There is a “Post conference” of June 27-28 with no specifics, so either
> specify what goes on for those dates, or just eliminate it completely from
> the front page. Thanks.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
> -Andrew Lih
> Associate professor of journalism, American University
> Email: and...@andrewlih.com
> WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
> BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
> PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Two important reminders concerning Wikimania 2016, which will be held in
>> Esino Lario, Italy on June 22–27, 2016:
>>
>> The Submission deadline has been extended by the program committee to
>> January 17th.  See:
>>
>> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions
>>
>> The deadline for applications for the WMF Scholarship program is
>> approaching!Applications are open until  Saturday, January 09 2016
>> 23:59 UTC.
>>
>> Applicants will be able to apply for a partial or full scholarship. A
>> full scholarship will cover the cost of an individual's round-trip travel,
>> shared accommodation, and conference registration fees as arranged by the
>> Wikimedia Foundation. A partial scholarship will cover conference
>> registration fees and shared accommodation.
>>
>>  To learn more about Wikimania 2016 scholarships, please visit:
>>
>> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
>>
>> To apply for a scholarship, fill out the multi-language application form
>> on:
>>
>> https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply
>>
>> It is highly recommended that applicants review all the material on the
>> Scholarships page and the associated FAQ (
>> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships/FAQ ) before
>> submitting an application.
>>
>> If you have any questions, please contact:
>>
>> wikimania-scholarships at wikimedia.org
>> <wikimania-scholarsh...@wikimedia.org>
>>
>> or leave a message at:
>>
>> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scholarships
>>
>>
>>  Ellie Young
>>
>> Events Manager
>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania submissions new deadline

[Andrew Lih]

Forgive me if I’m missing something, but was there ever an announcement to
this list about the initial deadline or that submissions were open?

I was surprised to return from winter holidays to hear that the deadline
was being extended, but I never even know about the initial deadline or
that submissions were open.

Checking the archives here shows nothing announced in November or December
regarding submissions.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2015-November/thread.html
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2015-December/thread.html

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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:57 AM, Ginevra Sanvitale <ginevra.e...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear all,
> I'm writing to inform you that the deadline to submit a presentation
> proposal for Wikimania 2016 has been extended. *The new deadline is
> January 17th*.
> We received some complaints about the fact that the deadline has been
> anticipated with a too short notice and in a holiday period for a lot of
> people. We regret this miscommunication and we hope that the new
> deadline will make things better. The reason why we decided to not
> reinstate the initial deadline (January 31th) is that we don't want
> to be too distant from the scholarship committee timing, in order to
> take into account the contribution that the participants will give to
> the conference and the kind of topics which are going to be discussed
> during it [1].
> We know that we are a movement of very committed and hardworking people,
> who can make wonderful things in two weeks!
>
> Before submitting a proposal, don't forget to read more about the
> structure of the programme:
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme
>
> and about the kind of presentation formats we will have during Wikimania
> 2016 [2]:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids/Esino_Lario/Sessions/Presentations
>
> For any suggestion about the user digest presentations you can refer to
> the liaisons[3] or to me.
> In the next month(s) we will set up the collection of discussions and
> posters proposals.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Ginevra
> General Coordinator, Wikimania 2016 Programme Committee
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] Just to be clear: this doesn't mean that people who are presenting
> during Wikimania will automatically receive a scholarship. The Programme
> Committee and the Scholarship Committee are two indipendent bodies, but
> we think that the process of knowing who will come and what we will talk
> about should not be too disconnected.
>
> [2] If you like colours, we also have some slides
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1_year_to_get_your_things_done_and_present_them_at_Wikimania.pdf
>
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_bids/Esino_Lario/Program/Liaisons
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '16 Scholarship & Submission Deadlines are Approaching!

[Andrew Lih]

A kind suggestion:

Can you break down the proper dates for Wikimania on the front page of the
Wikimania wiki?

https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Right now it looks like an eight day conference as it specifies June 21-28,
but that’s inaccurate.

You should probably break it down like this:

Pre-conference - June 22-23, 2016
Main conference - June 24-26, 2016

There is a “Post conference” of June 27-28 with no specifics, so either
specify what goes on for those dates, or just eliminate it completely from
the front page. Thanks.

-Andrew


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Email: and...@andrewlih.com
WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video

On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Two important reminders concerning Wikimania 2016, which will be held in
> Esino Lario, Italy on June 22–27, 2016:
>
> The Submission deadline has been extended by the program committee to
> January 17th.  See:
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions
>
> The deadline for applications for the WMF Scholarship program is
> approaching!Applications are open until  Saturday, January 09 2016
> 23:59 UTC.
>
> Applicants will be able to apply for a partial or full scholarship. A full
> scholarship will cover the cost of an individual's round-trip travel,
> shared accommodation, and conference registration fees as arranged by the
> Wikimedia Foundation. A partial scholarship will cover conference
> registration fees and shared accommodation.
>
>  To learn more about Wikimania 2016 scholarships, please visit:
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships
>
> To apply for a scholarship, fill out the multi-language application form
> on:
>
> https://scholarships.wikimedia.org/apply
>
> It is highly recommended that applicants review all the material on the
> Scholarships page and the associated FAQ (
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Scholarships/FAQ ) before
> submitting an application.
>
> If you have any questions, please contact:
>
> wikimania-scholarships at wikimedia.org
> <wikimania-scholarsh...@wikimedia.org>
>
> or leave a message at:
>
> https://wikimania2016.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scholarships
>
>
>  Ellie Young
>
> Events Manager
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania '16 Scholarship & Submission Deadlines are Approaching!

[Andrew Lih]

This is very useful info Ginevra, could you add it to the wiki or the
submissions page so people know how to draw this distinction even if not
all the poster details are known yet? Thanks!

-Andrew


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On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Ginevra Sanvitale <ginevra.e...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> Il 05/01/2016 15.44, Andrew Lih ha scritto:
> > Another query. The submissions page currently says:
> >
> > “If you want to present a project you can make a poster (a link to will
> > be soon provided).”
> >
> > Do you have a link for this or any info? This will help submitters
> > decide whether their ideas are better for a full submission or a poster.
> > Thanks.
>
> The difference between posters and critical issues presentations is that
> the first kind of format is meant to present a single activity or a set
> of projects (i.e. "My editathon at the Museum of Clocks" or "What has
> WMI done during last year"), while the second is meant to present a
> critical reflection on a problem (i.e. "What are editathons truly useful
> for" or "How are chapters growing").
> Beside this, the posters are targeted for newbies, while the critical
> issues presentations are targeted for people with some experience in the
> movement.
> We don't have yet a link to the poster submission form because of some
> unforeseen issues, but we believe that this explanation should be enough
> to decide if someone wants to submit one or the other kind of presentation.
>
>
> Il 05/01/2016 14.53, Andrew Lih ha scritto:
> > Forgive me if I’m missing something, but was there ever an announcement
> > to this list about the initial deadline or that submissions were open?
> >
>
> No, there wasn't.
> We mostly spread the link on the projects, and a banner has been online.
>
>
> Ginevra
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimania-l] WikiConference USA in DC

[Andrew Lih]

Just a reminder that WikiConference USA will be from October 9-11, in
Washington DC at the National Archives.

The main McGowan theater sessions will be live streamed via YouTube. If all
goes well, we'll have the other sessions recorded for release later.

Schedule: http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Andrew Lih]

If your talk was Would you like some artificial intelligence with that?
then it was!

See this video about 28 minutes in:

https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-101






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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:21 AM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Andrew++

 I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania and
 none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think we
 owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be.

 An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way to
 crowd source this.

 I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if
 mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod
 camera? I seen it in other talks too.

   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)

 On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Andrew++.

A.

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I
 can attend, so I cannot respond at length.

 But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the
 quality of the viewers and not just the quantity.

 When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of
 their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can
 lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives.

 When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince
 more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of
 use, that's a major outcome.

 When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other
 grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and
 motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post.

 When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that
 led us to where the movement is, where will we look?

 If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as
 LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core
 community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the
 projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and
 accessible ways is vital.

 For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge,
 it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall
 by the wayside.



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 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford 
 nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these
 days.


 And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a
 mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable
 thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are
 also an alternative worth looking into.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Andrew Lih]

I think a good use of our scholarship money would be to ask for service
obligations, such as being part of the video recording crew.

I've been part of professional journalism organizations and this is done
annually with great results -- we call it the student newsroom.
Applicants who are accepted get a full scholarship to attend, have a
well-defined set of service obligations around reporting on the conference,
and the benefit is that they get to see other sessions and rub shoulders
with people they would have otherwise never get to meet.

-Andrew


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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:59 AM, WereSpielChequers 
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:

 I suspect if we put out a call in advance we would be able to get a lot of
 the equipment we need. I would have brought a tripod for this wikimania if
 I'd known in advance it was needed  (not so likely to be possible next year
 as I may need to bring a tent and sleeping bag).



 On 3 August 2015 at 19:40, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 There will be videos of the featured speakers, some of the hackathon, and
 a documentary available soon.   People involved in this will presumably be
 posting when these are available and up on Commons, etc.

 I think in the future we might want to consider having cameras/tripods
 and especially good audio recording in each of the session rooms.  (I think
 that might be something WMF could provide equipment and make sure A-V
 service has good audio especially.)   We could then ask for volunteers on
 site to handle logistics/recordings.   This wouldn’t involve a lot of
 editing or post-production work/expense…  as long as people know that it
 would be pretty “basic”, but making sure we have good audio especially.

 I wil ask the upcoming Wikimania organizing team what they think of this
 idea and perhaps they will come up with a plan and/or put out a call for
 partcipation to make this happen next year?

 Ellie
 WMF Conference Coordinator

 On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:30 AM, Joseph Fox josephfoxw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe at least one press outlet was recording some talks, presumably
 to serve as b-roll. Perhaps what you saw was one of those?

 Joe

 On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 at 19:21 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 Andrew++

 I find it odd that we are willing to have a huge budget for Wikimania
 and none for recording videos of talks for non-attendees to view. I think
 we owe it to them. It can be crowdfunded if need be.

 An interesting idea perhaps is to group video if we have a reliable way
 to crowd source this.

 I did notice a video cam recording the talk after mine. I am unsure if
 mine was recorded as well. Does anyone know who was operating the tripod
 camera? I seen it in other talks too.

   -- とある白い猫  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)

 On 18 July 2015 at 23:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Andrew++.

A.

 On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com
 wrote:

 I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I
 can attend, so I cannot respond at length.

 But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the
 quality of the viewers and not just the quantity.

 When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of
 their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can
 lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives.

 When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince
 more multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms 
 of
 use, that's a major outcome.

 When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other
 grassroots projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and
 motivations you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post.

 When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that
 led us to where the movement is, where will we look?

 If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as
 LOLcats, it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core
 community does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the
 projects going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and
 accessible ways is vital.

 For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge,
 it's surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Andrew Lih]

Kerry, some comments on your observations:

1. By not recording the videos, we're being penny wise and pound foolish.
Given all the money and labor that's spent to stage Wikimania and getting
people there to present, while feeding and housing them, I'd say it's
borderline negligent not to memorialize and record people's presentations
and insights for the rest of the community.

2. Yes, the fellowship and social mixing is a huge aspect of Wikimania. But
that goal is not mutually exclusive of relaying the valuable insights of
sessions and presenters to the greater community. In fact *because* hallway
conversations and ad hoc meetings at Wikimania are so common and there are
so many parallel tracks, most Wikimania attendees don't even get to see
most of the sessions.

3. You're never going to see metrics on those videos that will approach
viral hits on Youtube. But that's the wrong way of looking at it. If those
videos get only hundreds of views, that's still 10x more than the number
of people in the audience at a Wikimania session. It's the quality of who
those hundreds of viewers makes a huge difference. We should be encouraging
more communication among the small circle of folks who contribute to and
develop the future of our software systems and community norms. (We've seen
the tension that arises when developments like VisualEditor, and
MediaViewer are perceived as being disconnected from the community, so we
need to keep these lines of communication consistent and open.)

4. In just the past two weeks, I've been able to point people to the
Wikimania 2015 videos to get caught up on important developments. For
example, we're moving forward in significant ways on video, and in a recent
planning call, I was able to direct new stakeholders and WMF staff to our
Wikimania video presentations to get caught up on where we are. I've
directed folks to the presentations of Aaron Shaw and Mako looking at Wikia
and WikiHow as it has implications for en.wp IP editing policy. And
multiple folks have asked whether Guillaume Paumier's highly praised talk
My life as an autistic Wikipedian was recorded. Sadly, it was not.

5. Finally, don't let perfect video recording be the enemy of good video
recording. Let's get video recording on the must do list, and then we can
work on optimizing quality and price.




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On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
wrote:

 As someone who has never attended a Wikimania but would like to, I don’t
 think videos are the solution. As someone who has organised conferences and
 had this issue of videoing come up, again I don’t think videos are the
 solution.



 Folks who can’t attend events for whatever reason do ask for videos (I’ve
 done it too!). However, I would suggest looking hard at the stats on how
 often videos are viewed (and if there is a way to know if they are viewed
 all the way through or not). I know that I might look at videos of a couple
 of keynotes and maybe some talk that someone really recommends to me
 knowing my interest, but I would be genuinely unlikely to look at a whole
 lot of them. When people say “I wish I could go to Wikimania”, I don’t
 think they are saying “I wish I could listen to those talks”.  Conferences
 are much more about the opportunity to interact, including the opportunity
 to interact in relation to the talks. Also, when you go to a conference,
 you are committed to setting aside those days of your life to focussing on
 the conference (well, that used to be the case, now with mobile devices and
 wifi, everyone sits in conferences reading their email, checking FaceBook,
 and keeping on top of their job back home, and generally misses hearing the
 talks even though they are in the same room!). If you aren’t going to the
 conference, you don’t have the big block of time in your life set aside to
 watch all the videos. Also a conference generates its own excitement,
 you’re there and your endorphins are working overtime. With watching videos
 after the event, you don’t have that buzz. When I watch videos, I know I
 often give them my attention for a couple of minutes, then have them going
 while I read email or whatever – the video finishes and I haven’t heard it
 as my mind has been elsewhere.



 And, no matter what people say, there is a lot of work involved in
 creating videos both during the event and in postprocessing after the
 event. People say “quality doesn’t matter” in advance but then  people
 complain afterwards if the quality isn’t perfect (can’t see the speaker
 clearly, can’t hear the speaker clearly, can’t see the slide projection).
 Again people say this can be done with volunteers, but actually your
 volunteers are wanting

Re: [Wikimania-l] videos of keynotes/plenaries?

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all, there are some Wikimania 2015 videos available now, guerrilla style:

As you may know, there was no central video recording of Wikimania sessions
this year. But with my own camcorder and an iPhone 5, I was able to record
26 sessions at Wikimania of varying quality. You can visit them on this
page. Any assistance to help annotate or expand on the chart is appreciated.

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Jonathan Morgan jmor...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Thanks, Brion!

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Brion Vibber bvib...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 The keynotes in the main room should have all been recorded, but it may
 take some time before they are able to be made available. This is being
 tracked, hopefully, at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106565

 Some other talks that were guerilla-recorded by volunteers are already
 available on archive.org or elsewhere; we should probably make sure
 those links are all collected.

 -- brion



 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Jonathan Morgan jmor...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 Were any of the Wikimania keynote addresses (Lila, Luis, Jimmy)
 videorecorded? Can't find 'em on Commons or YouTube. Any help or
 information is appreciated.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all, there are some Wikimania 2015 videos available now, guerrilla style:

As you may know, there was no central video recording of Wikimania sessions
this year. But with my own camcorder and an iPhone 5, I was able to record
26 sessions at Wikimania of varying quality. You can visit them on this
page. Any assistance to help annotate or expand on the chart is appreciated.

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos

Also, for a glimpse of how arduous the video process can be, see:

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos#Details

-Andrew



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WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
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PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video

On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 12:15 PM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote:

 FWIW, I have been audio recording sessions I go to (I'm not set up
 well for video)--they will not be the best quality but at least they
 will be there.

 -Kat

 On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:
  It's suboptimal, but here's a video recording I took of our Wikimania
 2015
  session on Video Production tools (very meta).
 
  https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-76
 
  It's an example of what you can do on the run with one camcorder, setup
  close the loudspeaker.
 
  Interestingly, the video recording was processed by the video tool Manuel
  Schneider and I presented on (double meta!) and side loaded to Internet
  Archive.
 
  I have about 5-7 other sessions recorded and will try to record more
 today.
 
  -Andrew
 
 
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  Email: and...@andrewlih.com
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  PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video
 
  On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  We may have an opportunity to try some of these tactics at a smaller
 scale
  at Wikiconference USA later this year. We have few true video cameras
 among
  the US affiliates AFAIK but perhaps WMDC, WMF and/ or WEF could rent a
 few
  for the occasion.
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Jimmy Wales speech in the Closing Ceremony

[Andrew Lih]

If you cannot wait, here is a partial list of available talks I recorded
with my guerrilla setup and are available on Internet Archive.

https://wikimania2015.wikimedia.org/wiki/Videos

I was able to record 26 sessions over the three days with a consumer
camcorder and a humble iPhone 5. Some are still transcoding using the new
Schnittserver video project.

-Andrew


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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Not yet a record until in 2 days time, the videos are uploaded.

 Fingers crossed

 On Monday, July 27, 2015, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Congratulations Ivan and team, is that a record for wikimania?

 Regards

 WereSpielChequers


 On 27 Jul 2015, at 21:28, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Mohamed, all the videos that Ellie mentioned, included the Jimmy's
 keynote will be uploaded in the next two days.
 Thanks,

 2015-07-27 7:56 GMT-05:00 Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org:

 The video production company that recorded most of the featured talks
 and spanish track have sent that talks to Ivan Martinez for review. I
 suspect they will be up soon, but he will know and answer.

 Ellie Young
 WMF Conference Coordinator

  On Jul 27, 2015, at 4:10 AM, Mohamed Mostafa ouda mmusta...@gmail.com
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  Hi Wikimedians
 
  Please where can I find video for Jimmy Wales speech in the Closing
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2015 video: #100wikidays

[Andrew Lih]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2015_videos


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Wilfredor wilfre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Someone has the category for the presentations uploads to commons?

 Thanks

 2015-07-21 13:46 GMT-03:00 Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com:

 Here's a video of the #100wikidays Wikimania talk which was inspiring to
 lots of folks in the room.

 https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-86

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[Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2015 video: #100wikidays

[Andrew Lih]

Here's a video of the #100wikidays Wikimania talk which was inspiring to
lots of folks in the room.

https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-86

Apologies for not the best audio in this recording.


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2015 video: #100wikidays

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Good work and thanks for that. More videos to come.


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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 For presentations, see:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2015_presentations
 I've just created a new category for videos of presentations (as opposed
 to any other type of video at the event) at:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2015_presentation_videos

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 21 Jul 2015, at 18:50, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania_2015_videos


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 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Wilfredor wilfre...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone,

 Someone has the category for the presentations uploads to commons?

 Thanks

 2015-07-21 13:46 GMT-03:00 Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com:

 Here's a video of the #100wikidays Wikimania talk which was inspiring to
 lots of folks in the room.

 https://archive.org/details//videoeditserver-86

 Apologies for not the best audio in this recording.


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Thank you to our hosts

[Andrew Lih]

I completely agree with Risker and others -- what a wonderful conference it
has been and congrats and thanks to Ivan Martinez and the entire crew of WM
Mexico on executing an amazing event. Thanks from all of us!

-Andrew



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On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:09 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.ay...@gmail.com
wrote:

 +1,000,000. This has been a lovely Wikimania. (And more still to come
 today!)

 Favorite things so far: great talks, great lunchtime conversations (and
 food!), constant coffee availability, learning about groups at their
 booths, and seeing old friends in the elevators :)

 Phoebe
 On Jul 19, 2015 10:14 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I spend my last few hours here at Wikimania 2015, I want to extend my
 thanks to all of the leaders and volunteers who have made this Wikimania a
 truly memorable event.  It is a bit funny that, despite being in the middle
 of what might be called a very corporate environment, I have felt such
 camaraderie and friendship amongst our huge,worldwide community.  Our
 organizers set the stage for us to make it such an excellent weekend
 together.

 So many things went right this weekend. The food was good, the sessions
 were good, the company was excellent, and the venue was very
 accommodating.  Yes, there were a few problems - six months from now, they
 will be remembered as funny stories.

 Thank you again, to all of you.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Video recording of Wikimania sessions

[Andrew Lih]

I'm trying to guerrilla video record as many Wikimania sessions that I can
attend, so I cannot respond at length.

But I do want to say: the cost/benefit analysis needs to consider the
quality of the viewers and not just the quantity.

When a Wikipedian in Residence can show their institution the video of
their Wikimania presentation as evidence of impact and engagement, it can
lead to renewal of their positions and more initiatives.

When the video of a Wikimania panel on COI and PR editing can convince more
multi-billion dollar PR firm to understand our guidelines and terms of use,
that's a major outcome.

When someone talks about Wiki Loves Earth, #100wikidays or other grassroots
projects, video provides a unique window into the emotions and motivations
you cannot capture in a mailing list or blog post.

When in 10 years, we want to know the passions and personalities that led
us to where the movement is, where will we look?

If we're expecting Wikimania videos to rack up the same views as LOLcats,
it ain't going to happen. It has always been a very small core community
does a massive amount of the innovation and work that keeps the projects
going, and the ability to talk to each other in deep, complex and
accessible ways is vital.

For a movement dedicated to capturing the sum of all human knowledge, it's
surprising how blasé we are in letting our own community history fall by
the wayside.



-Andrew Lih
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Email: and...@andrewlih.com
WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Recording video* is easy; you can do it on most mobile phones these days.


 And on that note, the wiki indaba conference was recorded solely on a
 mobile phone[1]. Although sound quality wasn't the best, with considerable
 thought on getting an appropriate accessory to handle sound, phones are
 also an alternative worth looking into.

 [1]
 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTdU_5c77__7y3igaHAauOyAvo2crj2cp


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Sim card?

[Andrew Lih]

If you're looking for data, there is a special EE SIM pack that provides 10
Gbytes for £15, which seems like the best deal. Though you have to go to a
real EE store to get one of these.

The exact info on the packet:

EE PAYG 4G NFC Combi SIM 03-13

Photo in this Wikimania Facebook group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2400108526/permalink/10152295342983527/

Otherwise, at any Sainsbury Local or TESCO Express, you'll find Orange,
Virgin, EE SIM, Vodafone cards for £1, but you'll have to top up right away
to start using it. Voice and texts are all pretty cheap, though the data is
where you might start to run short.








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On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote:

 On Aug 7, 2014 9:38 AM, Nkansah Rexford nkansahrexf...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I'll like to have a UK Sim card, anyone have one available? I don't care
 much about what network it is.

 Seems unlikely that there would be a spare (because now is when everyone
 wants one). But maybe Sam's bulk order has some left still.

 There's already a SIM card thread on this list in the last week. I suggest
 checking there (and replying there) for more details on others recent
 experiences acquiring SIM cards.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Bring your old broken laptops to Wikimania!

[Andrew Lih]

As Patricio said -- you're likely to get into trouble by bringing
inoperable laptops into the UK.

Guardian UK (July 8, 2014):
Britain follows US in banning powerless electronic devices from flights --
All air passengers must demonstrate that mobiles and other devices are
powered up and functioning as Department for Transport tightens airport
security

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/britain-tells-air-passengers-mobile-phones-must-work-security

While the sentiment is admirable, I'd say we should not encourage this.

-Andrew



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On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Patricio Lorente 
patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't know the English word for aguafiestas, but anyway: in the
 security checks at the airports, if you can't turn on your laptop, they may
 confiscate it and you are going to have a bad time. Be careful with that.

 Patricio


 2014-07-28 15:18 GMT-03:00 HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com:

 Hi all,

 One of our volunteers asked me to put out a call for broken laptops. If
 you have a broken laptop and you want somebody to help you fix it or you
 just want to see it recycled, please bring it along to Wikimania!

 I imagine lots of us will have broken laptops knocking around, and this
 could be a great opportunity to bring them back to life or to recycle them
 properly.

 So we have an idea of demand, please email me off-list if you're
 interested.

 Thanks,

 Harry Mitchell
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Discussion Room - would like more input

[Andrew Lih]

Hi Lodewijk, I like the idea of discussions that are more structured and
well-known before the conference.

Re: Taiwan, which open space idea were you describing that didn't work? Was
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote:

 Hey Edward,

 sorry for the delay in responding - I was a bit overflowing with stuff
 that needed to happen irl. Sorry to see too that there were so few other
 responses at all to my questions for input (two on the talk page).

 In some way, my proposal is an experiment of course. This isn't meant as
 'unconference' or anything as drastic, but rather as a way to offer a set
 of structured and facilitated discussions without fixating it too much in
 advance. Your suggestions go much further even than my proposal - I don't
 want to let it come to serendipity, I would really like to help ensure
 somehow that we can include the discussion topics in the program material
 printed - so lets make sure we communicate those deadlines with each other.

 I would be happy if you (or anyone) would help to populate the room with
 good discussion topics. However, I feel we need a dedicated space /in the
 program/  for this - I don't have good experiences with the open space kind
 of idea that was experimented with in Taipei.

 I hope we can make this work together!

 Best,
 Lodewijk




 2014-03-26 9:06 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia e...@wikimanialondon.org:

 I am told that, historically, there's a massive rush of submissions in the
 last day or two. Let's wait and see what the quality of the submissions is
 like, we may be surprised.

 I am keen to innovate in programming with this event; an unconference
 track is a nod towards this, but there may be better formats, so I will
 ensure that space is carved out for some alternative programming style.

 Otherwise, there are large open discussion areas available during the
 event anyway. Traditionally the purpose of an early programme is mostly to
 promote topics of interest to encourage people to attend the conference,
 but with online discussion we could easily discuss the topics to death
 between now and then, and travelling all that way just to hear it in real
 life audio seems like a bit of a waste of time.

 Then, for a live event, perhaps the value is in the serendipity of
 dipping in and out of sessions and finding out about topics you didn't know
 you were interested in. Or maybe it's just in seeing faces, shaking hands
 and breaking bread.

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 On 26 March 2014 16:52, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 Hi Edward,

 not entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction. I'm
 volunteering to help run that process and lead the discussions on the day
 itself (if certain conditions can be fulfilled, which I dont expect to be a
 problem). But also, I'm suggesting to turn the process around a bit. If
 there are no proposals for discussions, lets find discussions and bring
 them to the table. Lets reserve a full day worth of discussions and just
 make sure we find the discussions worth it :)

 Thanks for thinking along!

 Lodewijk


 2014-03-26 8:44 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia e...@wikimanialondon.org:

 The programme submissions process we're using is one that we inherited
 from previous Wikimanias, but given that this event is not considered a
 formal, research-led event, and also frankly the rate of change of the
 world, having people submit sessions six months in advance seems 
 surprising.

 Lodewijks, I interpret your submission as basically a plea to run a
 submission process again but closer to the conference date. Would you agree
 that this is the core of your proposal?

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 On 26 March 2014 16:27, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:

 Hi,

 with the submission deadline approaching, I wasn't able to find many
 discussion proposals (not counting panel discussions) where the audience 
 is
 the main participant, and there is no particular speaker or expert. In a
 wiki-conference, that is always a surprise to me. I recall from past years
 it was always particularly hard to find people who are interested enough 
 in
 a topic, expert enough, willing to lead

Re: [Wikimania-l] Fwd: Poster to present Wikimedia activities/projects/chapters/affiliates/tools...

[Andrew Lih]

I also got an inexplicable message too big rejection. Is there something
wrong with the list?
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Fwd: Poster to present Wikimedia activities/projects/chapters/affiliates/tools...

[Andrew Lih]

Resend:

While I like the pamphlet/booklets, I'd ask to consider the posters as well.

1) They can be less formal and lower overhead than a full multi-page booklet
2) They are a much more familiar and well understood form factor, as it is
common in academic settings
3) The can be perused much faster, and they provide physical displays
around which people can discuss/debate issues and ideas
4) They make for great social interaction and can be easily combined with a
happy hour or party time to provide buzz and flow through a space
5) Posters are a lower overhead to create, as at the minimum they can
simply be a blown up version of a one pager

If you really want something impressive looking -- get Samsung to donate
fifty 70 flat screens to fill the space, and have a rotating set of
posters throughout the conference. :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

 On 22 January 2014 01:49, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 Yes, that's related to copyright and permissions of the material, but
 what about that first sentence:

 *You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or
 similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content*


 Jan pointed out that youtube2mediawiki.py doesn't actually download the
 video, so I think we're fine with the provisions of licensor's permission
 in the sentence below.


Well not exactly -- just because the downloading is modularized into a
Python script doesn't mean it's not downloading. :) The exact code actually
does download:

#download video and save to file.
u = self.opener.open(url)
f = open(filename, 'w')
data = True
while data:
data = u.read(4096)
f.write(data)
f.close()
u.close()
return True


 Commons is ultra-conservative with copyright, but doesn't really care
 about any other terms and conditions imposed by anyone else. So I think
 it's fine to transfer the videos from YouTube to Commons - no copyright is
 violated and the ambiguity in the YouTube TOS works in our favour.


Yes, I do believe there's not much to worry about in this particular
situation. Just be aware that we're running afoul of the TOS, even if
Google is lax on enforcement. A violation of TOS could be used to go after
users in other less clear-cut cases.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

Clever workaround!

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Email: and...@andrewlih.com
WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, there's a Download MP4 button when I'm logged in as Wikimedia
 Hong Kong (channel owner). So if you want to transfer the videos, email me
 off-list and I'll add you to the admin list of the WMHK YouTube channel.
 Then everybody including the YouTube TOS will be happy.
  On 22 Jan 2014 19:58, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:


 On 22 January 2014 01:49, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 Yes, that's related to copyright and permissions of the material, but
 what about that first sentence:

 *You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or
 similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content*


 Jan pointed out that youtube2mediawiki.py doesn't actually download
 the video, so I think we're fine with the provisions of licensor's
 permission in the sentence below.


 Well not exactly -- just because the downloading is modularized into a
 Python script doesn't mean it's not downloading. :) The exact code actually
 does download:

 #download video and save to file.
 u = self.opener.open(url)
 f = open(filename, 'w')
 data = True
 while data:
 data = u.read(4096)
 f.write(data)
 f.close()
 u.close()
 return True


 Commons is ultra-conservative with copyright, but doesn't really care
 about any other terms and conditions imposed by anyone else. So I think
 it's fine to transfer the videos from YouTube to Commons - no copyright is
 violated and the ambiguity in the YouTube TOS works in our favour.


 Yes, I do believe there's not much to worry about in this particular
 situation. Just be aware that we're running afoul of the TOS, even if
 Google is lax on enforcement. A violation of TOS could be used to go after
 users in other less clear-cut cases.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

Oh I can do it, and I know how to do so technically. I'm just pointing out
by the letter of YouTube's TOS it's not permitted. :)

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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Andrew Lih, 21/01/2014 06:05:

  Thanks for the extensive explanation, and as someone who's helped with
 Wikimania video in the past, I absolutely feel your pain and commend you
 for doing what you have so far.

 Downloading from YouTube violates their TOS, though you'll notice people
 do it all the time.


 I've uploaded thousands of YouTube videos to archive.org, I can do these
 too with no problem.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

Yes, that's related to copyright and permissions of the material, but what
about that first sentence:

*You shall not download any Content unless you see a “download” or similar
link displayed by YouTube on the Service for that Content*



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PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
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On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've just scrutinised the YouTube TOS in detail for the first time. The
 clause which says you can't download videos is in 5(B): (my emphasis)

 You may access Content for your information and personal use solely as
 intended through the provided functionality of the Service and as permitted
 under these Terms of Service. *You shall not download any Content unless
 you see a “download” or similar link displayed by YouTube on the Service
 for that Content.* You shall not copy, reproduce, make available online
 or electronically transmit, publish, adapt, distribute, transmit,
 broadcast, display, sell, license, or otherwise exploit any Content for any
 other purposes *without the prior written consent of YouTube or the
 respective licensors of the Content*. YouTube and its licensors reserve
 all rights not expressly granted in and to the Service and the Content.


 We obviously have the prior written consent to reproduce the videos to
 Commons. From my reading of the TOS, copying the videos to Commons
 shouldn't violate the TOS (in part because it wasn't downloaded - though
 download wasn't explicitly defined in the TOS).

 IANAL.



 On 21 January 2014 23:50, Jan Ainali j...@ainali.com wrote:

 I already started uploading around 15 of them, not reading the ToS
 beforehand. :/

 I used the script youtube2mediawiki.py so I am not sure I technically
 have 'downloaded' the files, at least they have never been on my computer.

 /Jan

 21 januari 2014, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com skrev:

 Oh I can do it, and I know how to do so technically. I'm just pointing
 out by the letter of YouTube's TOS it's not permitted. :)

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 On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Andrew Lih, 21/01/2014 06:05:

  Thanks for the extensive explanation, and as someone who's helped with
 Wikimania video in the past, I absolutely feel your pain and commend you
 for doing what you have so far.

 Downloading from YouTube violates their TOS, though you'll notice people
 do it all the time.


 I've uploaded thousands of YouTube videos to archive.org, I can do these
 too with no problem.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

Any plans to upload them to Commons or Internet Archive, or is
this something we can get volunteers to help with?

The only reason is that in general, downloading and keeping videos from
YouTube violates their terms of service. Even if they are CC licensed.

Thanks.
-Andrew


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On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good evening Wikimaniacs!

 We now have a distributed effort by multiple volunteers in Hong Kong to
 upload all the video footage from Wikimania 2013 onto YouTube. If you gave
 a presentation or workshop at Wikimania (and haven't requested that we
 don't video you), keep an eye on WMHK's YouTube channel:
 http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaHK

 The plan is that all videos will be available by the end of February.

 We'd be grateful if you can watch your video and see if there are any
 defects, because we can't watch every second of the uploaded videos to
 check them!

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 videos

[Andrew Lih]

Thanks for the extensive explanation, and as someone who's helped with
Wikimania video in the past, I absolutely feel your pain and commend you
for doing what you have so far.

Downloading from YouTube violates their TOS, though you'll notice people do
it all the time.

-Andrew


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Associate professor of journalism, American University
Email: and...@andrewlih.com
WEB: http://www.andrewlih.com
BOOK: The Wikipedia Revolution: http://www.wikipediarevolution.com
PROJECT: Wiki Makes Video
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wiki_Makes_Video


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 No. We figured that uploading to YouTube is the only way we can get all
 the videos out before Wikimania 2014.

 (Longer, more technical answer follows)
 We performed a series of pilot tests in December and early January and
 found two main technical problems with uploading the videos from Hong Kong
 to Commons.

 The first one is bandwidth. We have about 1TB of video footage. Because
 Hong Kong is on the opposite side of the planet from the WMF datacenters,
 we can only eke out an average speed of 50kB/s even on a fast connection
 in Hong Kong. At that rate it'll take 250 computer-days (plus extra time
 cost due to errors etc) of non-stop uploading to get it done. We don't have
 that many dedicated volunteers who are willing to donate that much machine
 time. In contrast, we can get an average speed of 500kB/s uploading to
 YouTube because they have a local node in Hong Kong. Enoch Tam (aka. ET,
 many of you will remember him for all the errands he ran at Wikimania) and
 myself are donating all our machine idle time to the task, so we're
 confident it'll be done in less than a month.

 The second challenge is rendering. YouTube isn't just a video CDN; it is a
 combined rendering and distribution service. The footage we got from SocRec
 is in unedited 2-4GB chunks of M2T and MTS files, which Commons cannot
 handle. Uploading to Commons would require the use of rendering software
 (and a lot of computing) to convert and edit them to OGV. This requires a
 further amount of volunteer dedication, video-editing software, and
 computing power which we don't have. The strategy at the moment is that we
 upload the raw footage to YouTube, then edit them into sessions using
 YouTube's browser video editor.

 To see the details and progress of what we're doing, see
 https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Video_upload .

 We did contemplate, at one point about two weeks ago, that we shouldn't
 even attempt to upload the videos from Hong Kong, and just mail the 2TB
 external HDD with the raw footage to WMF or WMUK. Now that Andrew pointed
 out that downloading and keeping a copy of YouTube videos violates their
 TOS regardless of licence, I guess we could've just given up back then. I
 guess the best course of action now is that we continue uploading and
 editing the videos on YouTube. If someone at WMF or WMUK is willing to
 render and edit the videos again from scratch, we'll send them the HDD
 after we're done here.

 Deryck


 On 20 Jan 2014 23:19, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 Any plans to upload them to Commons or Internet Archive, or is
 this something we can get volunteers to help with?

 The only reason is that in general, downloading and keeping videos from
 YouTube violates their terms of service. Even if they are CC licensed.

 Thanks.
 -Andrew


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 On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Good evening Wikimaniacs!

 We now have a distributed effort by multiple volunteers in Hong Kong to
 upload all the video footage from Wikimania 2013 onto YouTube. If you gave
 a presentation or workshop at Wikimania (and haven't requested that we
 don't video you), keep an eye on WMHK's YouTube channel:
 http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaHK

 The plan is that all videos will be available by the end of February.

 We'd be grateful if you can watch your video and see if there are any
 defects, because we can't watch every second of the uploaded videos to
 check them!

 Deryck


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Proposal: Wikimania project domain

[Andrew Lih]

As James said here, and on the meta page, we should stick by the wisdom of,
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

One benefit for each year's Wikimania team is that it has a brand new
MediaWiki install, which allows them to have a clean slate technically and
design-wise from previous years. It also keeps administration cleaner, and
maintains compatibility as we go forward. I've been involved with every
Wikimania since the first one, and it would be painful to have to maintain
the same MediaWiki instance across a decade's worth of Wikimanias.

I do appreciate opening the discussion to thinking about how to make this
cleaner. But unless there is a compelling need, you usually stick with what
got us here.

-Andrew


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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 6:12 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Is it possible to unify them into a single domain, but keep them as
 separate wikis?  For example, I would think that
 http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page is still better than sub-pages
 on a single wiki (where it can get messy) or separate wikis on a separate
 wikimania.org domain (where we just move the problem elsewhere).

 Josh


 I can see some of the desire for the same wiki (to have everything
 accessible in one place etc) though not completely sold personally. I worry
 too much old on the same wiki ends up getting very confusing and cluttered,
 we have this problem in many other places.

 I don't completely understand how http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/2012/page 
 would
 be better then, say https://2012.wikimania.org/wiki/page though? I may be
 missing something so I apologize if I am. I feel like the break from our
 normal naming structure could get very confusing (I do think that, yes,
 it's certainly possible though).

 James


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Re: [Wikimania-l] A thought: Different tracks

[Andrew Lih]

My quick two cents on discussions, and other ideas on ad hoc sessions:

Discussions are so new (and advertised way below the radar compared to
presentations) that it seems we don't have enough data from one conference
to judge their effectiveness. However, I will note that there is a need for
their function, as we figure out how to structure it:

- I had one of the discussion slots: Edit this Museum Exhibit about
Wikipedia which was quite useful for me and the dozen attendees. While it
was organized around explaining and discussing the Computer History Museum
exhibit I've been helping with, there were others from Europe looking to do
a museum exhibit about Wikipedia. We also helped develop the idea of a
traveling Wikipedia exhibit for newbies that might form a Newbies
Pavillion at Wikimania 2014, as a way to reach out to new editors.

- Ryan Lane wound up using a last minute lightning talk slot to discuss the
latest SSL developments (post-Snowden) that wound up getting a packed room
and having about 30 minutes of clarification and discussion. This would
have made an ideal one week before discussion topic, given the late
breaking Snowden news and Jimmy's public statements about defaulting to SSL.

- Lightning talks this year could have been facilitated better -- the
seating configurations were still row-by-row desk chairs and the rooms were
small. As facilitator of the Wikimania lightning talks in 2006 and 2007,
you definitely need bigger space and seating in the round.

- I really like the speed dating idea, and even poster-like sessions that
build on the chapters pavilion.

- To further the lunch groups idea, why not have a whiteboard on a post at
each lunch table, so people can advertise to passersby what that group is
gathered for? Chapters, projects, language, etc. I tried to organize a
quick lunch for folks involved with video, and it would have been easier
for folks wandering around to scan each table's display to find out who had
clustered there, and why.





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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote:

 Hi Deror,

 while I appreciate your efforts, I feel it necessary to object to the
 picture you draw here about the discussions.

 Already in a very early stage I contacted the program committee, asking if
 it would be possible to set up a proper room for discussion tracks, and I
 even proposed a method to come to actual topics (and not outdated ones).
 However, the program committee insisted that I should simply 'submit' them
 as regular sessions. This is not how discussions work! There should be much
 more flexibility and much later deadlines for discussion sessions.

 I don't mean to blame anyone here, I just want to point out that because
 of how things went, I don't think it is fair to simply extrapolate. A full
 discussion track is very well possible, if you announce it as such, give it
 the tools it needs, and put a proper procedure in place for suggestions.
 The deadline should rather be 1 week before the conference than 3 months.

 I think I can come up with at least 5 people (not even counting you) who
 would be willing to lead one or two discussions, and who I think are
 capable to do so in a neutral way. At least, if organized.

 The hot seat model sounds interesting, although I would personally prefer
 to make Wikimania /less/ about WMF and more about the community.

 Another very different model that has been suggested many times but nobody
 has worked it out: wikimania wide speed dating. Set one plenary session
 aside, and allocate people table numbers. Yes, this includes the keynote
 speakers, Wikimania volunteers/organizers, board members and /all/ staff
 members that are in town! And connect them semi-randomly (ideally avoiding
 similar people somewhat). If we do that at the beginning of the conference,
 I'm sure that the rest will be so much more vivid and effective! Because
 after one hour of 8 x 5 min you know at least 8 people you never spoke
 before and probably would not have talked with otherwise!

 I'd love to find more ways to use Wikimania effectively to strengthen the
 community ties and improve exchange of thoughts and knowledge.

 Lodewijk


 2013/8/18 Deror Avi deror_...@yahoo.com

  A Few emails have been circulating re the content and the programme of
 the conference, and I wish to put in my two cents.
 This year  a track of discussions have been introduced. Though a full
 track (and rooms) have been set aside for this, a total of one discussion
 has been proposed to the programme committee (and has been accepted of
 course).
 I do agree with what Louis suggest, and with some of the things
 suggested. The breaks should remain breaks – time to rest

Re: [Wikimania-l] Shuttle to/from the beach?

[Andrew Lih]

Shuttles starting from 10pm are going from beach back to Kowloon.

Not sure how long they will keep doing shuttles. However, it is possible to
take taxi back from Shek O. Public transit is significantly slower.



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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Sebastian Wallroth
sebast...@wallroth.dewrote:

 Is there a shuttle FROM the beach party?

 Thank you in advance,
 Sebastian

 Am 11.08.2013 um 15:48 schrieb derfu...@gmail.com:

 17:00 at the JCA

 Gesendet von Windows-Mail

 *Von:* Joseph Fox
 *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 11. August 2013 14:58
 *An:* Wikimania general list (open subscription)

 Hi,

 Is there any shuttle to and/or from the beach this evening? Would be very
 helpful to know! :)

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Live video streams?

[Andrew Lih]

Does this work?

http://new.livestream.com/socreclive



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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't heard anything about live streams for this year, I might be
 wrong though. Last year it was a few months after Wikimania until the
 videos were released.
 Steven Zhang
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 On 9 Aug 2013, at 8:54 am, Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Will there be video registration of the talks?


 If yes, will there be real-time video streaming? I can't find a link on
 the Wikimania web site, or an announcement on Twitter or Facebook.
 If not, when do you expect those videos will be online?

 Thanks, and have a nice conference!

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Live video streams?

[Andrew Lih]

Direct link, the live video of Wikimania from Jockey Club Auditorium:

http://new.livestream.com/socreclive/wikimania



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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 Does this work?

 http://new.livestream.com/socreclive



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 On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:00 AM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't heard anything about live streams for this year, I might be
 wrong though. Last year it was a few months after Wikimania until the
 videos were released.
 Steven Zhang
 cro0...@gmail.com



 On 9 Aug 2013, at 8:54 am, Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote:

  Hi,

 Will there be video registration of the talks?


 If yes, will there be real-time video streaming? I can't find a link on
 the Wikimania web site, or an announcement on Twitter or Facebook.
 If not, when do you expect those videos will be online?

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[Wikimania-l] WEDNESDAY: Tech shopping meetup

[Andrew Lih]

To kick off Wikimania Dev Day 1, we're having a tech shopping meetup:

Meet at 515pm (1715) in N112 hacking space. We're visiting Sham Shui Po,
the electronics marketplace for everything computer, electrical, telecom,
audio, video, photo, tablet, cases, cables, etc. This is also a good time
to pick up mobile phone SIM cards. (See info below for a recap of earlier
recommendation)

We'll be taking the MTR subway, so please have Octopus cards ready.

-Andrew


---

For those interested in a local mobile 3G data service, this one seems best
value for Wikipedians:

one2Free/CSL Power Prepaid SIM for HKD 88 (US $12)

You can get 7 days of unlimited 3G data for HKD 78. The remaining HKD 10
can be used for calls and/or SMS.

Find a one2free or CSL store, and ask for the 88 HKD prepaid SIM card. See:

http://one2free.hkcsl.com/jsp/prepaid_sim_card/power_prepaid_sim/
card_features/card_features.jsp

After you buy the card, and make sure it's active in your GSM/UMTS phone,
you can dial:

*101*832*4#

You should receive an SMS confirmation of having 7.2 Mbps service for 7
days.

If you need more credit for your SIM card, stop by any 7-11 shop to get a
top-up amount.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Didn't See the Greeters - But No Worries

[Andrew Lih]

HKG airport is awesome in all respects, except for the fact that there is
exit A and B, making it a tough to catch all arrivers.

Hopefully with more volunteers starting today to welcome more arrivals the
exits will have more coverage.

Welcome to steamy HK!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wifi is really not stable

[Andrew Lih]

Itzik, thanks and the local team is working with PolyU staff to get better
performance. PolyU seems to be very careful in siting their access points
-- perhaps too careful, as I don't see any overlapping channels in some
rooms! They also don't have 5Ghz capable access points all over campus.

In the meantime, if your machine is capable of 5 Ghz / 802.11a, we've put a
WIKIMANIA-5G access point in the dev areas and I'll keep consulting the
local team to see where they can keep performance up.

Thanks.
-Andrew


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On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:

 Can the organizing team check what they can do about it?

 If this is the situation today when only about 1\3 of the conference
 attends are here, things will be much worse in the next few days...


 Thanks, and i'm sure it's gonna be a great Wikimania!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Eid al-Fitr at Hong Kong

[Andrew Lih]

Belayet, do these timetables help?

http://www.iuhk.org

http://www.iuhk.org/Ramadan%20Timetable%202013-1434.pdf


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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Belayet Hossain bella...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,
 Any one from local team can inform us the date of Eid al-Fitr at Hong Kong
 and which time the Eid Prayer will be held at Kowloon Moshjid. Since
 Kowloon Moshjid is near to the conference venue, Muslim attendees may want
 to attend the prayer at the Moshjid.

 Please Not: This Eid prayer held once in a year. If there is a opportunity
 Muslim may never want to miss that prayer.

 For details:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Fitr

 Belayet
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 http://www.facebook.com/bellayet
 http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:bellayet
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Details about welcome party

[Andrew Lih]

Recommendation from the organizers -- smart casual

If you want to go to one of the finer establishments in the ICC building
later for dinner or drinks, (gentlemen) you may want to have long pants and
hard soled shoes.




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On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Casual attire of course-- it's summer in Hong Kong!

 There will be plenty of  food and beverages all complimentary for
 attendees.  You are
 supposed to enjoy the views and have fun talking to other wikimaniacs :-)

 Ellie

 On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:59 AM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  With the welcome party coming up on Thursday, I have a few questions.
  Info on the Wikimania website is pretty sparse.
 http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Party
 
  What sort of attire is this event? Are food/beverages provided or is
 purchased privately. What is happening at the welcoming party? More info
 would be most appreciated :-)
 
  Regards,
 
  Steve Zhang
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Power plugs

[Andrew Lih]

Hi,

There are adapters available in hardware/household stores in HK, and
depending on the location, it should be cheap, anywhere from HKD 12 to 25.

This one is likely the most useful, as it takes both Europlug and US.

https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fuzheado/9432619132/


In a pinch, you can cheat -- you can plug the two round ends of the
Europlug into a three prong UK socket if you find an implement to press
into the third grounding hole, thereby releasing the catch for the first
two live holes. Don't electrocute yourself!



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On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Daniel Schwen li...@schwen.de wrote:

 Yeah, that is the first thing I'll have to buy, too (only US to UK).
 Those are usually available at airports.

 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi.
 
  Are there Europlug/Schuko to BS1363 adapters available in Hong Kong? I
  couldn't find any in my country. Where can I buy one for myself?
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Power plugs

[Andrew Lih]

FYI,

I'm also proposing a Tech shopping meetup on Wednesday, on Development
Day 1. This will bring folks to the main tech shopping area of Hong Kong,
Sham Shui Po, where you can get these plugs, cell phones, computer parts,
or whatever electronics you may want.

See link here:
http://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetups#Tech_Shopping_Meetup

-Andrew


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On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Andrew Lih and...@andrewlih.com wrote:

 Hi,

 There are adapters available in hardware/household stores in HK, and
 depending on the location, it should be cheap, anywhere from HKD 12 to 25.

 This one is likely the most useful, as it takes both Europlug and US.

 https://secure.flickr.com/photos/fuzheado/9432619132/


 In a pinch, you can cheat -- you can plug the two round ends of the
 Europlug into a three prong UK socket if you find an implement to press
 into the third grounding hole, thereby releasing the catch for the first
 two live holes. Don't electrocute yourself!



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 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Daniel Schwen li...@schwen.de wrote:

 Yeah, that is the first thing I'll have to buy, too (only US to UK).
 Those are usually available at airports.

 On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi.
 
  Are there Europlug/Schuko to BS1363 adapters available in Hong Kong? I
  couldn't find any in my country. Where can I buy one for myself?
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Panic phones!

[Andrew Lih]

Hong Kong mobile subscriber penetration rate (April 2013) 229%

:)

http://www.ofca.gov.hk/en/media_focus/data_statistics/key_stat/



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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Wikimaniacs,

 Because we're here to show you awesome hospitality, there will be two
 panic phones at Wikimania 2013!

 They are:
 (+852) 97657894 - Deryck Chan (general enquiries  HKBU dormitory)
 (+852) 90772757 - Samuel Chan (transport  PolyU venue)
 If you're in panic, just call either of us regardless of what your problem
 actually is. Both of us are prepared to handle any problem our fellow
 Wikimaniacs might have :)
 *Save these numbers into your phones now!*

 Both numbers are temporary numbers which are posted publicly for the
 purposes of Wikimania 2013, and will be disposed of afterwards. Our
 personal numbers will also remain operational throughout Wikmania.

 See you in Hong Kong!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Panic phones!

[Andrew Lih]

Definitely worth buying a local SIM for phone service, mainly because it's
so cheap in HK. As long as you have an unlocked GSM phone.

You can pick up mobile SIM cards from 7-11 or mobile stores, for as low as
HK $38 (US $5).



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On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:42 AM, Teemeah . teemeah.wikipo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thank you for the info guys!

 By the way, is it worth buying  a local sim card for international calls
 or should stick to VOIP providers? I don't need data plans, though.

 Thanks!
 Timea


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 Hong Kong mobile subscriber penetration rate (April 2013) 229%

 :)

 http://www.ofca.gov.hk/en/media_focus/data_statistics/key_stat/



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 On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello Wikimaniacs,

 Because we're here to show you awesome hospitality, there will be two
 panic phones at Wikimania 2013!

 They are:
 (+852) 97657894 - Deryck Chan (general enquiries  HKBU dormitory)
 (+852) 90772757 - Samuel Chan (transport  PolyU venue)
 If you're in panic, just call either of us regardless of what your
 problem actually is. Both of us are prepared to handle any problem our
 fellow Wikimaniacs might have :)
 *Save these numbers into your phones now!*

 Both numbers are temporary numbers which are posted publicly for the
 purposes of Wikimania 2013, and will be disposed of afterwards. Our
 personal numbers will also remain operational throughout Wikmania.

 See you in Hong Kong!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Hong Kong tips

[Andrew Lih]

Great to send some tips. I'm helping to assemble more but here's the brief
version:

1. Bring shorts and sandals. It's hot, humid and rainy. Bring one set of
nice clothes for the opening party and going to bars, but make it light
slacks and soled shoes. As Jon said: jeans are not useful.

2. Bring a light jacket and umbrella (or purchase on here for HKD 60). It
can get cold indoors where it's super-air-conditioned. You can go from 35 C
to 20 C in a matter of a few meters, as you go from outdoors to indoors.

3. Get an Octopus card right away for mass transit and cash payments around
the city.

4. Mobile data users: CSL/one2free Power Prepaid SIM card for will get you
a phone number and unlimited 3G data for one week at HKD 78. That's a
pretty good deal.
See:
http://one2free.hkcsl.com/jsp/prepaid_sim_card/power_prepaid_sim/card_features/card_features.jsp

5. 7-11 shops are 24 hours here, for those jetlagged midnight cravings.

6. Exchange rate here is roughly 8 HKD for 1 USD, or 10 HKD for 1 euro. Big
banks like Citibank, HSBC and Standard Chartered all have ATMs hooked up to
global networks.

See you in HK.





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On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 I happened to get this and thought others might like it.
 -Sumana


  Original Message 
 Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:22:09 +0900
 From: Jon Robson jrob...@wikimedia.org

 I just arrived so thought I'd share a few of my findings so far in
 case they are useful.

 Hong Kong express train is 100HKD and takes you directly to Kowloon or
 Hong Kong Station. I'm staying in Hong Kong island at the moment and
 grabbed a taxi from the HK station. 3 mile taxi cost me about HKD40.

 I'm guessing the airport has them but I arrived jetlagged and late so
 I delayed getting one and Des Voeux Road near Central/Hong Kong
 station has lots of sim cards with data plans [1] for all you data
 nerds.. I got a data prepaid sim card there from the 3Shop for
 HKD$198. It was a little confusing but I'm pretty sure it will cover
 me for my whole trip (see if you can decipher the plan - they all look
 like this [2]) It's worth getting one as the mobile Wikipedia Nearby
 page shows a few places in need of photos - I already sorted one of
 them out :-) [3].

 It's very hot and wearing jeans is the worst idea ever. I just spent a
 day in them and from now on I will be wearing 3/4 length cargo pants.
 The shopping malls are the best refuges ever in this heat, when
 walking make sure one is always nearby.

 I already found an awesome Michelin starred dim sum place for all you
 dim sum lovers. I'd recommend a visit whilst here [4].

 See you all soon!

 [1]

 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=%09Shop+1,+G%2FF,+Unicorn+Trade+Centre,+127+Des+Voeux+Road,+Centralhl=enll=22.285101,114.155371spn=0.00135,0.002637sll=22.284848,114.155138sspn=0.010801,0.021093hq=Shop+1,+G%2FF,+Unicorn+Trade+Centre,+127+Des+Voeux+Road,+Centralradius=15000t=mz=19layer=ccbll=22.285229,114.155164panoid=XxjtTqdmd4h86ukbTRRJiwcbp=12,82.91,,0,-8.79
 [2]

 http://www.three.com.hk/website/appmanager/three/home?_nfpb=true_pageLabel=P200470391219567710594pageid=651001lang=eng
 [3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/566116338
 [4] http://www.openrice.com/english/restaurant/sr2.htm?shopid=7204


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Re: [Wikimania-l] All discord set aside

[Andrew Lih]

Thanks for the great explanation Deryck. Even though I'm familiar with HK
and Wikimania, I came out much more enlightened about this than before on
the choice of the tagline and the capturing of the Wikimedia internal
dynamics.

Also, you did a great job in one sentence to describe Chinese as a more
complex and nuanced label. Kudos.



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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Last week, it emerged to the surprise of Wikimania 2013's organizing
 committee in Hong Kong that the tagline of this year's Wikimania, Of one
 mind in pursuit of our dream, all discord set aside has caused some
 concern. Those so concerned viewed it as mockery of the FDC process which
 apparently left WMHK with no funding to continue running itself after
 Wikimania.

 Many of you who attended Wikimania 2012 will remember that the tagline was
 announced at the closing ceremony of Wikimania 2012. Tom Morris even joked
 on Twitter that that's the new ArbCom motto.[1] We couldn't foresee the
 future - we simply know that Wikimedia is full of imperfect people like us
 so conflicts are abundant. However, given the concern expressed, and the
 fact that the tagline will appear on the Wikimania 2013 T-shirts, I thought
 I should explain the tagline fully.

 The quoted song, Under the Lion Rock, is a soap opera theme tune from the
 1980s. This song is often hailed as the unofficial national anthem of Hong
 Kong. (Lion Rock is an iconic natural rock atop the hilly ridge which
 divides Kowloon and the New Territories, so under the Lion Rock is a
 metonym for all of Hong Kong.) For attendees from Hong Kong, these lyrics
 show that this Wikimania embraces Hong Kong fully, and Wikimedians from
 Hong Kong are just like everyone else.

 For those who have been involved with Wikimedia for a long time, it is
 obvious that there is discord all over the place. Wikimania is often seen
 as the cream of Wikimedia, the bright side of everything. By picking
 these lines for our slogan, we want to make the point (which hasn't ever
 been as prominent in any past Wikimania) that we don't shy away from
 conflicts. The conflict theme runs right through the proposed agenda in
 our bid; it was even suggested that we invite a banned editor from Hong
 Kong as keynote speaker. (That fell through. He never felt compelled enough
 to show up in person.) The lyrics affirm that it is our shared Wikimedia
 vision which brings us together, in a way that urges us to live with our
 differences.

 The outside world often thinks of Wikipedians as a homogenous bunch,
 slaving away behind computers like robots. We want to say that we actually
 disagree on lots of things, in ways that similar disputes would roll out in
 real life. Hong Kong editors tend to be a bit proud of ourselves and quite
 sceptic towards the current Chinese regime, such that we would go to any
 length to fight against patriotic mainland Chinese editors and
 panda-licking American editors. Although we would quickly switch sides and
 stand with Chinese patriots when it comes to the Diaoyu/Senkaku dispute,
 and the adamant insistence that China!=PRC and Taiwan!=ROC. And
 we're (surprisingly to most foreigners) rather Falun Gong sceptic too.

 If people (Wikipediocracy?) insist on thinking that the theme decided a
 year ago is a dig at the recent FDC furore, then they can put the same into
 the mouth of any slogan we come up with. What we want to show with these
 lyrics is that we are connected to all of Hong Kong at heart, and we don't
 want to shy away from the differences between us in Wikimedia.

 Full quotation of the chorus of Under the Lion Rock, as translated by
 the Hong Kong Government Budget 2002/03:[2]
 *Of one mind in pursuit of our dream
 All discord set aside
 With one heart on the same bright quest
 Fearless and valiant inside

 Hand in hand to the ends of the earth
 Rough terrain no respite
 Side by side we overcome ills
 As the Hong Kong story we write.*

 [1] http://eventifier.co/event/wikimania2012/deryckchan
 [2] http://www.budget.gov.hk/2002/eframe2.htm

 With Wiki-Love,
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Re: [Wikimania-l] No updates on Google+?

[Andrew Lih]

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan 
y...@wikimedia.hk wrote:


 besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open its
 API for sync post
 so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but google
 +...
 anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that


This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like
Facebook and Twitter.

So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure by
not providing an API.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] No updates on Google+?

[Andrew Lih]

Thanks for the clarification on the G+ -- there are severe API limitations
and not the lack of an API entirely.




On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Daniel Schwen li...@schwen.de wrote:

 Unfortunately at this point the Google+ API is ''read-only''. So it is
 not feasible to develop social media clients that automatically post
 to Google+. I guess that is what Andrew et al meant.

 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Nkansah Rexford
 nkansahrexf...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tuesday, January 22, 2013, Andrew Lih wrote:
 
  On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:25 AM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
  y...@wikimedia.hk wrote:
 
 
  besides, I think the biggest problem is the Google + still didn't open
  its API for sync post
  so usually, WMHK's messages are sync on Twitter and Facebook, but
 google
  +...
  anyway we try to find a smart way to deal with that
 
 
  This is basically the reason -- G+ doesn't play nice with others like
  Facebook and Twitter.
 
  So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their exposure
  by not providing an API.
 
  -Andrew
 
 
  Not this kind of API you're looking for on a platform like google+? What
  else you're looking for?
  https://developers.google.com/+/
 
   So besides being third to the race, they're also limiting their
 exposure by
  not providing an API.
 
  Are we the one not using the API , or they don't provide the API?
 
  Its just a point of correction though. ;)
 
  Putting all things said above aside, at least, just as WMF/Wikipedia/some
  wiki chapters have got a g+ page, it will be nice for wikimania to have
 one
  too. Whether g+ is lagging behind or is a loser, at least, they deserve a
  wikimania page, at least.
 
  For an individual, i think its a personal preference to join g+. but for
  wikimania, i think there's no excuse about that.
 
 
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  +Rexford | +Blender Academy
 
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikitrain to Wikimania HK

[Andrew Lih]

The good news is the train to Hung Hom is (literally!) on the doorstep of
the Wikimania venue at HK Polytechnic University.

If you plan it out well, you could spend time in Beijing, overnight train
to Shanghai, spend time there, then overnight again to HK/Hung Hom. For
those with the time in their schedule, it sounds like a great trip.


On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:52 AM, Alan C Y Lai alancy...@wikimedia.hkwrote:

 Dear All,

 I'm afraid that Deryck Chan is overtly optimistic about the construction
 of High Speed Rail in Hong Kong. As the line is still under construction
 until 2015, the Beijing-Hong Kong through train will still be on
 conventional lines during Wikimania 2013. And I strongly urge for
 convenience and comfortability sake you'd better take the through train to
 Hung Hom.

 Best regards,
 Alan


 Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 IIRC by Wikimania 2013 the Hong Kong-Beijing direct train will have
 switched to the high speed system.
 On Jan 18, 2013 7:55 AM, Shujen Chang i...@blue.cat wrote:

 There's also a railway line from Beijing to Kowloon, but that line is
 slower and less confortable than the Beijing-Guangzhou High Speed
 Railway Line.

 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Shujen Chang i...@blue.cat wrote:

 I recommend you take the Beijing-Guangzhou High Speed Railway in China,
 than you can transfer train from Guangzhou to Hong Kong.
 I'm planning to train to Hong Kong to (from China), so maybe I can join
 you in Beijing-GuangzhouGuangzhou-Hong Kong line.
 and attention, you must apply for a Chinese visa if passing China, the
 Hong Kong visa is not valid in China.


 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:53 AM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello, Добрый день,

 Three years ago some crazy Wikimedians (whose I was) travelled by train
 through Europe to join Gdańsk for Wikimania.

 This year I intend to join Wikimania Hong Kong by train from France,
 mainly with the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Chinese trains. The travel
 can take a minimum of about 2 weeks (of intensive train :), but it would be
 more comfortable to take more time; the price seems to be about 300-400 €
 (+food, visas, etc…), so probably less or similar than the airtravel of
 ~800 €.

 Does anyone is interested to join me? You have time if you want think
 about. If we are some people interested in Europe, we could join in
 Deutschland before continuing the 10k km :)

 ~ Seb35 [^_^]

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 keynote - suggestions

[Andrew Lih]

Hi folks, good to see you're asking early.

Here's my two cents:

There are several ways to go. Get someone interesting for:
1. the Asia region
2. Free culture or technology
3. Community, Internet culture
4. GLAM and public knowledge

As for the current list, my feedback:

1. Ray Chan, 9gag. Certainly 9gag has made a splash in the geekier Internet
community, but it would be good to see what he'd want to talk about first
and whether it had any relevance to Wikipedians and free culture. Important
to remember: Wikimania is first and foremost a community event, not just a
great speaker series.

2. Charles Mok, certainly relevant to the conference, but not sure how
exciting a speaker he is.

3. Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.

4. Thomas Crampton is a good pick. He was a respected working journalist
and may be able to set the table on what Wikipedia and free culture mean
across Asia.

5. Don't know much about Ada Wong.

That said, how about some other ideas:

1. Joi Ito. He's a great friend of Wikipedia, and spoke in 2007 Wikimania
in Taiwan. He's now MIT Media Lab director, and could give great Asia
perspectives.

2. Clay Shirky. I suggested this last year to DC, but it didn't go
anywhere. Not sure he'd want to make the long trip to HK.

Perhaps instead of having one big keynote, we may want to have a few
smaller ones or invited speakers in slots. Just an idea, since it would
provide ways to get more Asia-based folks without the grandeur of a large
keynote spot. Crampton, for example, is a good example of someone I want to
hear speak but perhaps not as a headliner.

We did something similar to this in Boston Wikimania by having a world
class lineup like Yochai Benkler, Brewster Kahle, David Weinberger,
Lawrence Lessig, Mitch Kapor, among others. It was an awesome set of
speakers.

-Andrew


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Wikimaniacs,

 Hello from the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong local team! We are beginning the
 process of inviting external keynote speakers, and would like the wider
 Wikimania community to review our shortlist before we make formal
 invitations.

 Feel free to suggest additional names for the list. We have more than two
 names at the moment, so do reply if you have preferences among the list too!

 *Current shortlist, and suggested topics for each speaker:*
  Ray Chan, co-founder of 9gag.com
 *Creating an online user-generated community and how it's similar to
 Wikipedia*
  http://www.blogosem.com/2012/01/9gag-foundercreator.html

 Charles Mok, founder of Internet Society Hong Kong, member of LegCo (Hong
 Kong's parliament)
 *Copyright and censorship in the digital age, and how they interact with
 free culture*

 Arianna Huffington of The Huffington Post
 *Create an online user generated community on the Internet and how it's
 similar to Wikipedia*

 Thomas Crampton, Social@Ogilvy
 *How South East Asia local cultures affect their online culture

 *
 Ada Wong, Founder of Hong Kong Institute of Contemporary Culture and
 Supervisor of HKICC Lee Shau Kee School of Creativity (the only 'art high
 school' in Hong Kong)
 *Creating a creative community and open dialogues for young people in HK
 and in the region*

 Thank you in advance for your ideas!
 Deryck Chan
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2013 keynote - suggestions

[Andrew Lih]

Ha! Tom, I like your thinking about Arianna and Wikinews relationship. For
that reason, having her in some way that isn't just a keynote per se
would be interesting. Perhaps a conversation with Arianna or an on-stage
interview would be interesting.

On the other hand, Arianna is not known to go to Asia that much on the
Huffington Post's behalf, and if she's not headlining I'm not sure she'd be
interested.

-Andrew


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

 On Thursday, October 4, 2012, Steven Walling wrote:

 3. Arianna Huffington. Not really a fan of this pick. Can get quite
 political, and not obvious the overlap between her site and free culture.


 +1. Too American-centric, too political.



 Must note that as a Wikinewsie, it might interesting to have someone like
 Arianna or someone else who is involved in social news and citizen
 journalism. But that might conflict with the requirement that we never talk
 about the sister projects. :-)


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Re: [Wikimania-l] left my bag in Newseum

[Andrew Lih]

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:01 AM, Lori Phillips lori.byrd.phill...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Jeremy certainly does deserve an award! Thank you for being so efficient
 in helping Shujen find the lost bag -- and magically depositing it in the
 Marvin Center!  Being one of the couple of organizers, I don't even know
 who or where or how he/someone found it, or how this transpired. Jeremy is
 like a ninja - a very helpful ninja : ).


A big thanks to Pete Forsyth as well for being the collector/curator of
many left bags that evening, and finding their owners!
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Badge pickup available tonight?

[Andrew Lih]

Yes, go to the Marvin Center, in the lobby (in the back) is the
registration and badge pickup.

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Sarah Manley sa...@wikia-inc.com wrote:

 Hi,

 My group is just getting into dc now. Is it still possible to pick up
 conference badges so we can attend the reception tonight?

 Thanks,
 Sarah Manley

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Badge pickup available tonight?

[Andrew Lih]

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:01 PM, James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wouldn't count on it at this point, unfortunately, since it is now 5 pm.


As James said, the timing may not work out. But there are plenty of
Wikipedians hanging out on the 3rd floor if you still make it there.
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Hard Disk Failure

[Andrew Lih]

Highly recommend trying to run SpinRite 6 on it if you can (and assuming
you have an optical drive on the computer). Track me down at Wikimania if
you need to try it out, or Twitter: Fuzheado.

-Andrew


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 A slightly chipped HP Pavilion dv6, with Windows 7 and added cracks.

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 On 11 July 2012 16:25, Steven Zhang szh...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 What sort of computer is it?

 Steve Zhang

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 11/07/2012, at 3:17 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 Hi all,

 My wife's (User:Panyd, who wears the tricorn hat) laptop's hard drive has
 failed - it isn't recognised by the laptop when it boots up. We've run
 system restore, etc, and tried to ham-fistedly get it working, but nothing
 has been successful!

 Does anyone have a spare CD which we could boot up the laptop from, or
 any suggestions as to what we could do next? Everything else on the laptop
 is in working order.

 Thanks in advance for any help you can give us!

 All the best,

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Badly organized tours

[Andrew Lih]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, you need to care a valid ID with you all time, not necessarily your
 passport.

 But then, I lived almost 3 years in Europe and the only times someone
 asked for my passport was in the airports to get in and out.  ;)



Unfortunately, in a federal zone like Washington DC, post-9/11, it's more
likely you'll be required to show proper ID than for most other places.

I do not know whether this will be the case at the Library of Congress
reception tomorrow, but I would bring your passport just to make sure.
Let's make sure there's no one standing outside and blocked from this event.

To restate the directions from the Wikimedia DC folks again:

*

If you will not arrive to Washington, DC in time to pick up your badge but
would still like to attend the reception, please email
eve...@wikimediadc.org with your name and affiliation, and we will make
sure you will be to attend. And please remember to add your name on the
event's page, as having an accurate headcount will help us with
preparations: http://wikimania2012.wikimedia.org/wiki/Google_Reception

Please note that all guests musts go through Library of Congress security
to enter the venue, and, as such, we strongly suggest that you leave large
bags and laptops at your hotel/hostel/home. Doing so will make going
through security a much faster and smoother process and will give you more
time to enjoy the event.

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Washington DC region swelters after storm cuts power

[Andrew Lih]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 9:55 AM, James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Indeed. I have been without power for 23 hours now.


And off-the-grid Wikimania... now there's an intriguing concept. :)

-Andrew
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Arriving in DC on 4th July; also paging DC birders

[Andrew Lih]

It will be kind of nuts (in a good way).

Things are running, but there is usually a massive picnic/celebration in
downtown DC to view the concert and fireworks (8-10pm). Right afterwards a
gigantic parade of folks taking the Metro (subway) and other transport to
get out of the city. Best if you can get to your destination before the
exodus, and if you have time, go down and enjoy the free activities.

See:
http://dc.about.com/od/specialevents/a/4thofJuly.htm


-Andrew


On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:

 Hi,

 I asked this on the wiki, but got no response; so I'm hoping someone
 here can advise me.

 I'll be arriving in DC early, to be a tourist for a few days, and my
 plane lands at 6pm local time on 4th July. As it's a holiday, what
 sort of service will be running, to get me to Hostelling
 International?


 Also, I'm a birder, and would like to see my first US birds during
 those pre-Wikimania days Are there any local Wikimedians who are also
 birders (or who know any), and who could spare an hour or two to
 accompany me to a suitable open space, and help me out with basic ID?


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Re: [Wikimania-l] Arriving in DC on 4th July; also paging DC birders

[Andrew Lih]

That about.com link I gave has a rough overview of the timetable.

And just for giggles, DC hit 104, which is 40 Celsius. Dress light!

Washington, D.C. shatters all-time June record high, sizzles to 104
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/washington-dc-ties-record-high-of-101/2012/06/29/gJQAiiRmBW_blog.html?tid=pm_local_pop

-Andrew


On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:

 Thank you. I'll have been travelling for over 18 hour when I arrive,
 but I'll try! Is there a timetable for the festivities?

 On 29 June 2012 20:51, James Hare messedroc...@gmail.com wrote:
  All the public transportation services will still be running,
  including the Circulator. Stick around by the National Mall for a few
  extra hours, though, and you'll get to see the fireworks!
 
  James
 
  On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Mabbett
  a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I asked this on the wiki, but got no response; so I'm hoping someone
  here can advise me.
 
  I'll be arriving in DC early, to be a tourist for a few days, and my
  plane lands at 6pm local time on 4th July. As it's a holiday, what
  sort of service will be running, to get me to Hostelling
  International?
 
 
  Also, I'm a birder, and would like to see my first US birds during
  those pre-Wikimania days Are there any local Wikimedians who are also
  birders (or who know any), and who could spare an hour or two to
  accompany me to a suitable open space, and help me out with basic ID?
 
 
  --
  Andy Mabbett
  @pigsonthewing
  http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
 
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Recommendations for communication?

[Andrew Lih]

Sorry I'm late to this, but you've probably discovered by now:

For prepaid, the US basically stinks -- few options, expensive, US-only
standards, kill you on data/3G.

* So, to make things the easiest for those accustomed to Europe/Asia
systems: if you're used to SIM cards and 3G on an unlocked phone you're
bringing yourself, the easiest to deal with is ATT. As Alan mentioned
above, they play on the right frequencies, and use WCDMA standard most
everyone else does. It won't be cheap, so we gotta make sure our Wikimania
folks give very good Wifi to use. :)

* Verizon and Sprint are a NO GO: they use the US-centric version of voice
and 3G, based on CDMA: no SIM cards, no GSM

* SimpleMobile, as mentioned before, is somewhat flawed. It seems like a
good deal if you're a GSM user for voice, text, 2G. However, they use the
T-Mobile 3G system on the 1700 Mhz band, which is unusual. (In short: no
iPhone will work on this using 3G, nor will most international 3G phones
like Samsung Galaxy S II, etc.).

* There may be other MVNO or 2nd tier operators for cheaper, but I wouldn't
bother unless you really know what you're doing. For most of the world,
prepaid is widely used by normal folks and travelers. In the US, it's
targeted towards low-income, risky phone users, so there's not a lot of
premium choices here.

* WARNING: US cell phone store workers are typically quite incompetent.
That you can bring a phone from overseas and pop in an ATT SIM chip and
work is still quite mysterious and bizarre to them. I'm not kidding. Expect
to know a lot more about phones than they do. Most Americans have never
travelled abroad and have no idea how the rest of the world lives.

Anyone who wants to put this on the Wikimania wiki, feel free.

-Andrew
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Re: [Wikimania-l] Shopping

[Andrew Lih]

2011/8/5 Filip Maljković dungod...@gmail.com:


 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those of you who want to send postcards / other mail: there isn't a
 facility to buy stamps per se at the post office. You need to have your
 mail ready, take it to the post office (on Wedgwood Street), wait at the
 counter (expect 15min wait) and tell the teller where you want to send your
 mail. They'll attach the postal chop onto your mail directly and collect it
 at the counter.

 Or, if you have a lot of postcards, they'll teach you how to stick them
 and let you do all the work. ;)

Is it true there is a special issue Wikipedia stamp worth collecting?

-Andrew

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Re: [Wikimania-l] Shopping

[Andrew Lih]

Can someone go buy like 30 sets for attendees to buy at cost (or small markup)?

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Manuel Schneider
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:


 On 05.08.2011 16:29, Andrew Lih wrote:

 Is it true there is a special issue Wikipedia stamp worth collecting?

 there is a Wikimania stamp, yes!


 /Manuel
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 Regards
 Manuel Schneider

 Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens
 Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge
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Re: [Wikimania-l] shuttles

[Andrew Lih]

Most folks already know this, but many Wikipedians hung out at the
Irish bar down the hill and to the right from the Dan Panorama, across
from the Crowne Plaza.

-Andrew


2011/8/5 Filip Maljković dungod...@gmail.com:
 Well, now you can finally organize a successful get together for the Talians
 and Federmen. ;)

 Cheers,
 Filip

 On 5 Aug 2011 17:38, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
 I understand that the shuttles tonight are already leaving at 19:30 and
 there will be no other public transport? (wondering about the mentioned
 free
 time activities and how realistic that is, in that light :) )

 Lodewijk

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