Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off: Changes to the Timeline

[Bishakha Datta]

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Christophe Henner 
wrote:
>
>
> 2. Time comitment. So on that, we are actively working on trying to reduce
> the mandatory time board members have to allocate to WMF. Goal is between
> this year and next year to lower it down to what we benchmarked as average
> (and I can't find the number again, I'll dig into that). That work started
> after a discussion with Guy on the fact that the time comitment was so high
> we migh scare away high profiles. So working to get mandatory board time
> down.
> But there's also "non-mandatory" time comitment. I can only speak for me,
> but right now, it takes me from 2h in the day up to 6h, almost everyday. I
> try to have Sundays when I don't work (either for my job or wikimedia). In
> that I do include reading (scanning for some mailing lists) emails.
>
> Right now, I think that the most complicated thing to handle is travel
> times as you need to take almost a week off every time we travel abroad.
> But until we invent teleportation (that would be super cool), I can't see a
> way to change that.
>
> This resonated so strongly I had to write in. I think you've nailed it -
it's not about money. It's about time.

And not just the mandatory time commitment, but also the non-mandatory time
commitment...the expectations we have of ourselves, the extra time we put
in not because it's compulsory - this isn't a job after all (although it
feels like a part-time one). But because it's hard to be an effective board
member without putting in that extra effort.

Much as I loved it, I often felt I was drowning when I was a board member.
I often found it really hard to flip my mind space and my mental energies
between my paid day job and my wikimedia commitments - and sometimes had to
put my day job on the backburner. Or family, friends, life, the universe
and everything. None of which is tenable beyond a point.

The other issue is the travel. Now that I'm an FDC member, I can see how
two in-person meetings a year versus four makes a huge difference. [And as
a related aside, the time commitment as an FDC member is way way more
manageable - and takes place in two big chunks, not as an everyday thing.]

It would be great if you'll could rethink the time and travel expected of
board members, so that the whole thing is less of a super-human endeavour.
:)

Good luck!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communicating plans and consultations

[Pine W]

Attempting to summon Chris Schilling over here from the other thread. (:

I think that some kind of analysis about optimal use of consultations and
surveys would be beneficial, and I'd welcome seeing something like that in
the next Annual Plan. Perhaps there might even be a consultation or survey
about consultations or surveys, which I know sounds ironic but may be
helpful in figuring out how much is too much or too little, timing,
locations, etc.

Information management is a big deal. We have watchlists, email, social
media channels, Echo, and lots of other tools, but even so -- or perhaps
because -- there are so many channels, it's easy to drown. I imagine that
holds true for both staff and community members, and I'd welcome some
initiatives to improve the situation. Perhaps someone will have some ideas
that they can submit to IdeaLab.

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communicating plans and consultations

[Pine W]

Gergo, perhaps my point got lost since it was a tangent from the TCoC
discussion. I was intending to address the topic of communication and
information management in general. This topic came up during the course of
the TCoC thread, and I was responding to that. Lodewijk was right to branch
the discussion.

Pine


On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Gergő Tisza  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
> > As I said, some of this is WMF-specific. For example, WMF could
> coordinate
> > its requests for surveys and consultations so that they happen on a
> > predictable monthly basis instead of sending what feels like 10+
> > notifications every month for separate consultations and surveys
>
>
> You might be looking for https://meta.wikimedia.
> org/wiki/Community_Engagement/Calendar
> In any case, it seems a bit tendentious to raise this in the context of the
> Code of the Coduct, which (as it has been told ad nauseam) was a volunteer
> initiative, organized mostly with resources available to volunteers.
> Feel free though to discuss your preferences on notification frequency with
> the people who complained all along that insufficient effort is being made
> to get the community to participate.
> There is a Hungarian saying about a rabbit and a hat, of which these
> conversations somewhat remind me:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/4bd293/
> til_that_hungary_held_a_contest_to_name_a_danube/d18f4k9/
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[Wikimedia-l] WMF Language team office hour and online meeting on March 22, 2017 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC

[Runa Bhattacharjee]

[x-posted announcement]


Hello,

The next online office hour session of the Wikimedia Language team is
scheduled for Wednesday, March 22nd, 2017 at 13:00 UTC. In this session we
would like to initiate a conversation about compact language links[1
]
- a feature that was recently introduced on many wikis to improve cross
wiki navigation using the interlanguage lists. We would also like to
present about some of the changes that we have observed[2
]
after compact links were enabled on these wikis.

This session is going to be an online discussion over Google
Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the
limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots
are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to
join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during
the session.

Our last online round-table session was held in December 2016. You can
watch the recording here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXgMZ7myEA4

Please read below for the event details, including local time, youtube
session links and do let us know if you have any questions.

Thank you

Runa

[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Compact_Language_Links

[2]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Compact_Language_Links/metrics/data

== Details ==

# Event: Wikimedia Language team's office hour session

# When: March 22, 2017 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20170322T1300)

# Where: and on IRC #wikimedia-office (Freenode) and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DWXTRl5ZEk

# Agenda:

Updates from the Language team and Q & A. Discussion about Compact Language
Links



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communicating plans and consultations

[MZMcBride]

Gergő Tisza wrote:
>In any case, it seems a bit tendentious to raise this in the context of
>the Code of the Coduct, which (as it has been told ad nauseam) was a
>volunteer initiative, organized mostly with resources available to
>volunteers.

The subject-space and talk pages have literally hundreds of edits by
user names marked with "WMF". Describing this effort as a volunteer
initiative is at least misleading, given this context.

http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=www.mediawiki&page=C
ode+of+Conduct

http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=www.mediawiki&page=T
alk:Code+of+Conduct

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

[Leila Zia]

Hi all,

This thread is diverging more and more away from its original subject.
Please open a new thread if you're interested in discussing items not
directly related to Quim's email re CoC. This can help the audience of this
list with discovery of relevant content and discussions later on.

Thanks,
Leila

On Mar 19, 2017 09:07, "Chris "Jethro" Schilling" 
wrote:

> I think the calendar I mentioned above on Meta probably could be improved
> in some ways. If a lot of folks start using it, it will become quite long,
> for one. An archiving system for each month might be a good idea.
>
> What ways could there be to sort or segment the calendar that would be
> useful for volunteers to search and parse important discussions, surveys,
>  and consultations?
>
> - Chris
>
> On Mar 19, 2017 7:57 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Please ..
> >
> > From my perspective we should not talk about secondary topics like this.
> We
> > should certainly not be this aggressive. I said it before and I say it
> > again. When you are interested in what we aim to achieve talk about WHAT
> we
> > can do to do better and let HOW we can do better from an organisational
> > point of view be only supportive of our objectives.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
> >
> > On 19 March 2017 at 13:45, Rogol Domedonfors 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > "Jethro"
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are
> > indeed a
> > > > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them
> if
> > > > they world rather volunteer their time in other places.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If
> > people
> > > > want to know what's going on in our projects, it's their
> responsibility
> > > to
> > > > follow places where announcements are posted and read them.
> > > >
> > > > - Chris
> > > >
> > >
> > > Really?  As a Community Organiser within the Community Engagement part
> of
> > > the Foundation, do you not believe that the Foundation has some kind of
> > > responsibility too?  Perhaps the Foundation, with its tens of millions
> of
> > > dollars and hundereds of staff, and its ownership and control of the
> > means
> > > of communcation, might consider whether it can organise its engagement
> > with
> > > a disparate community on a more sophisticated basis than telling the
> > > volunteers that it's their responsbility to know how to engage
> > effectively
> > > with the Foundation?  Let me ask to to reread your comments from the
> > point
> > > of view of a volunteer whose work builds the projects and ask yourself
> > > whether the attitude embodied in your comment is not just ever so
> > slightly
> > > sub-optimal?  Are you completely satsifed that there is nothing at all
> > that
> > > the Foundation could or should do to improve the engagement it has with
> > the
> > > community?
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

[Chris "Jethro" Schilling]

I think the calendar I mentioned above on Meta probably could be improved
in some ways. If a lot of folks start using it, it will become quite long,
for one. An archiving system for each month might be a good idea.

What ways could there be to sort or segment the calendar that would be
useful for volunteers to search and parse important discussions, surveys,
 and consultations?

- Chris

On Mar 19, 2017 7:57 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Please ..
>
> From my perspective we should not talk about secondary topics like this. We
> should certainly not be this aggressive. I said it before and I say it
> again. When you are interested in what we aim to achieve talk about WHAT we
> can do to do better and let HOW we can do better from an organisational
> point of view be only supportive of our objectives.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 19 March 2017 at 13:45, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > "Jethro"
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote:
> >
> > > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are
> indeed a
> > > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if
> > > they world rather volunteer their time in other places.
> > >
> >
> >
> > > But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If
> people
> > > want to know what's going on in our projects, it's their responsibility
> > to
> > > follow places where announcements are posted and read them.
> > >
> > > - Chris
> > >
> >
> > Really?  As a Community Organiser within the Community Engagement part of
> > the Foundation, do you not believe that the Foundation has some kind of
> > responsibility too?  Perhaps the Foundation, with its tens of millions of
> > dollars and hundereds of staff, and its ownership and control of the
> means
> > of communcation, might consider whether it can organise its engagement
> with
> > a disparate community on a more sophisticated basis than telling the
> > volunteers that it's their responsbility to know how to engage
> effectively
> > with the Foundation?  Let me ask to to reread your comments from the
> point
> > of view of a volunteer whose work builds the projects and ask yourself
> > whether the attitude embodied in your comment is not just ever so
> slightly
> > sub-optimal?  Are you completely satsifed that there is nothing at all
> that
> > the Foundation could or should do to improve the engagement it has with
> the
> > community?
> >
> > "Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Please ..

From my perspective we should not talk about secondary topics like this. We
should certainly not be this aggressive. I said it before and I say it
again. When you are interested in what we aim to achieve talk about WHAT we
can do to do better and let HOW we can do better from an organisational
point of view be only supportive of our objectives.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 19 March 2017 at 13:45, Rogol Domedonfors  wrote:

> "Jethro"
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a
> > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if
> > they world rather volunteer their time in other places.
> >
>
>
> > But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If people
> > want to know what's going on in our projects, it's their responsibility
> to
> > follow places where announcements are posted and read them.
> >
> > - Chris
> >
>
> Really?  As a Community Organiser within the Community Engagement part of
> the Foundation, do you not believe that the Foundation has some kind of
> responsibility too?  Perhaps the Foundation, with its tens of millions of
> dollars and hundereds of staff, and its ownership and control of the means
> of communcation, might consider whether it can organise its engagement with
> a disparate community on a more sophisticated basis than telling the
> volunteers that it's their responsbility to know how to engage effectively
> with the Foundation?  Let me ask to to reread your comments from the point
> of view of a volunteer whose work builds the projects and ask yourself
> whether the attitude embodied in your comment is not just ever so slightly
> sub-optimal?  Are you completely satsifed that there is nothing at all that
> the Foundation could or should do to improve the engagement it has with the
> community?
>
> "Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

[Rogol Domedonfors]

"Jethro"

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote:

> Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a
> lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if
> they world rather volunteer their time in other places.
>


> But they cannot then also argue that they didn't know about it. If people
> want to know what's going on in our projects, it's their responsibility to
> follow places where announcements are posted and read them.
>
> - Chris
>

Really?  As a Community Organiser within the Community Engagement part of
the Foundation, do you not believe that the Foundation has some kind of
responsibility too?  Perhaps the Foundation, with its tens of millions of
dollars and hundereds of staff, and its ownership and control of the means
of communcation, might consider whether it can organise its engagement with
a disparate community on a more sophisticated basis than telling the
volunteers that it's their responsbility to know how to engage effectively
with the Foundation?  Let me ask to to reread your comments from the point
of view of a volunteer whose work builds the projects and ask yourself
whether the attitude embodied in your comment is not just ever so slightly
sub-optimal?  Are you completely satsifed that there is nothing at all that
the Foundation could or should do to improve the engagement it has with the
community?

"Rogol"
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Termodynamics and social capital

[Tilman Bayer]

Hi John,

the Wiki-research-l mailing list (CCed) is usually a better place to
ask such questions than Wikimedia-l.

Without having taken a look at the book you mention, here are two
pointers to research that might be related:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2012/April#cite_ref-27
("Wikipedia as a thermodynamic system - becoming more efficient over
time")
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter/2015/September#More_newbies_mean_more_conflict.2C_but_extreme_tolerance_can_still_achieve_eternal_peace

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:29 AM, John Erling Blad  wrote:
> Has anyone tried to use termodynamics on social capital within Wikipedia?
> Over investment in social capital and negative specific heat might create
> unstable systems, that is people will leave the community.
>
> There is a book on the topic; A Dynamic Balance: Social Capital and
> Sustainable Community Development
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