Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships
* Josh Lim wrote: In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? Technically it would be entirely possible for service providers to offer access to Wikipedia for free even if the Wikimedia Foundation and the Wikipedia community objects to that on net neutrality or other grounds. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason
* Sydney Poore wrote: It appears to me that you are entirely missing the actual nature of the problem and the reason for having a campaign targeted at the gender gap. The *problem* is that there have been a suboptimal number of grant requests for funds to address the gender gap even though it a listed priority of the WMF. Denying attention and funds to unrelated projects is not an appropriate way to encourage people interested in gender gap to request funds. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason
* Sydney Poore wrote: It has become pretty obvious that funding the interests/values of existing community members through regular channels is not creating content free of systemic bias in general nor closing the human gender gap. (I say this as someone who has read all types of WMF funding proposals and evaluations of for several years now.) Temporarily doing a 3 month targeted Gender Gap experimental campaign is a modest approach to take in addressing one of the biggest weaknesses of Wikimedia Foundation projects. The reaction of some members of the community was predictable, because it is evident in the majority of previous and current funding requests that increasing the diversity of the larger Wikimedia movement is secondary priority of most existing people and organizations. Proposed projects with a good chance to measurably shrink the gender gap are not being denied adequate funding as far as I can tell. Without actual resource shortages concerning the gender gap topic with respect to grants, be that money or staff time for proposal reviews, what we have here is a solution looking for a problem. We would have a different kind of discussion if we were talking about there is a huge backlog of great gender gap projects in need of funding, but you don't say that it is evident in the *rejection* of requests, you say that's evident in the requests themself. Earlier Siko Bouterse wrote the same, these kinds of projects haven’t emerged organically at any meaningful scale. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason
* Liam Wyatt wrote: I understand from the explanations that the reason for not accepting any non-gender-gap focused grants for several months is because of the expected workload on the staff in reviewing applications and supporting the projects that do get funded. However, what I don't understand is what added incentive there is for people to submit grant applications on the chosen topic (in this instance it is gender-gap, but it could be other topics in the future)? Since it is already possible to submit a gender-gap focused grant, how does the refusal to accept other kinds of project submissions increase the number/quality/variety of gender-gap grants? One reason would be that anyone interested in applying for a gender- gap focused grant will have to do it now, since odds of success will be very low for such applications after the three months. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality
* Kim Bruning wrote: Found another article calling out Wikipedia. Are there also articles praising us? :-) https://medium.com/backchannel/less-than-zero-199bcb05a868 Quoting, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp and Wikipedia become “the Internet” for the users of mobile data supported by “zero rating” plans, because accessing these services doesn’t cause users to hit the data caps applied by the carriers, and in many cases the plans don’t require the user to sign up for mobile data at all. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero_Operating_Principles Wikipedia Zero cannot be sold as part of a bundle. Access to the Wikimedia sites through Wikipedia Zero cannot be sold through limited service bundles. It seems pretty clear to me that users of Wikipedia Zero must pay a non-trivial amount for mobile data above and beyond normal telephony services, even if they only access zero-rated services, otherwise it is a limited service bundle which we are lead to believe is forbidden. (It is also possible the intent of the requirement above is that it is entirely okay to sell Wikipedia Zero through limited service bundles so long as an operator does not offer even more limited services; in that case the phrasing is grossly misleading.) I assume the Foundation closely monitors offerings of operators it has made an agreement with to ensure access to Wikipedia Zero is never sold as part of a limited service bundle. Could the relevant records please be released? -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason
* Siko Bouterse wrote: Why the gender gap? Although we’ve committed to supporting and increasing gender diversity, so far these kinds of projects haven’t emerged organically at any meaningful scale. In the first half of this year, IEG and PEG have spent only 9% of funds on projects aiming to directly impact this gap and less than ? of our grantee project leaders have been women. Without taking time to focus on increasing gender diversity in our content and contributors, this trend is likely to continue. What evidence is there that spending more on gender gap will have any measurable impact on gender gap? I also note that you say projects have not emerged. That sounds like people do not actually have ideas how to impact gender gap with money. Could you identify a couple of projects that would have considerable impact on gender gap but that have been refused funding in the past due to a lack of focus on gen- der gap? -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email
* Peter Southwood wrote: OK, I was just wondering if acceptance of this form of marketing was an American thing or more generally an English language thing. Obviously not universally acceptable to English speakers, even in USA and England, but possibly more offensive to people with other cultural backgrounds. I have found http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13545386 useful on this point, comparing the German and British as an example. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Fwd: Our final email
* Andrew Gray wrote: (In all seriousness: I generally agree with Liam's concerns, but I'd also like to note that the banners running on mobile are much more discreet, though are just as eye-catching. Well done to whoever thought of those.) When I encountered one of those I had to scroll four screens down to notice that it's actually an overlay and obscuring the content below it, and so I had to scroll back up and find a tiny hard-to-tap x to close it. You must be seeing very different ones. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Groups: You've been added to Gender Gap
* Russavia wrote: I mentioned on the Gender Gap mailing list the other day that this was not me, but now it would appear that email addresses on this mailing list are being scraped. Whoever controls that list added the address in my From and my signature which pretty clearly suggests use of some address extraction tool, yes. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
* Martijn Hoekstra wrote: Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser as quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep the yearly donation drive as short as possible. Considering the rate at which the Foundation and its Chapters increase and want to increase revenue, it is unlikely anybody is really trying to optimise how long it takes to collect enough money to keep Wikipedia online and ad-free for another year. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
* geni wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 06:53, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: All -- we will not have a pop-up banner. And how exactly would you describe this then? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oversized_donation_notice.png I got something like that on my mobile phone yesterday, only it didn't cover 80% of the screen but over 400% of it (over four full screens), and unlike your example, it was not possible to scroll past it (it's a pop-over that has to be dismissed by scrolling back to the top and hitting the difficult-to-hit x). I also note that the german banners claim 20€ average donations while the screenshot above claims 10 GBP (which is currently around 12.50€). Never minding that only a small part of the donations is used as claimed in these banners (keeping Wikipedia online and ad-free for a year). Is the Foundation also still running banners that spoof web browser security messages? -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de D-10243 Berlin · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de Available for hire in Berlin (early 2015) · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
* Tim Starling wrote: On 17/01/14 01:14, Todd Allen wrote: This proposal asks to move to a free as in beer model, where content will be free to view, but not necessarily to reuse (and with the opaque license, it may not even be possible to tell). I don't really understand this argument. It's not like there are video cameras that record directly to Theora. So presumably, most videos uploaded to Commons start life as H.264 or some other proprietary format, and are transcoded to Theora before they are uploaded to Commons. The proposal is to make it possible to upload the source file and have the server do the transcode, whereas currently, the source file is private and thus not distributed under a free license. Currently, if you want to reuse an H.264 source file, you have to somehow contact the author, beg for a copy of the file, and hope that they haven't deleted it. With this proposal, if you want to reuse an H.264 file without a patent license, you can just download the Theora transcode from the server. I am having trouble thinking of a scenario where the current situation would be better for reuse than the proposed situation. If you can think of one, please tell me. It seems to me that we all agree it would be nice if people could upload H.264 video to Wikimedia Foundation servers and if people could download H.264 video from Wikimedia servers and possibly even reuse such video. There are efforts underway to try and make some H.264 profile available on a royality-free basis that the Foundation probably should study and possibly support. This RFC however is not going to give people a license to upload or reuse H.264 video by the looks of it. The download Theora approach is already supported, so there is no difference there either. If there is some legal theory by which most people either already have or do not need to be given a license to upload or reuse H.264 video (in- cluding considerations with respect to how such video came to be) then by all means make that part of the RfC and then we could say whether the proposal would actually improve anything. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
* Andrew Lih wrote: BTW, Luis from WMF has put a very lengthy and detailed analysis of the legal issues that does help quite a bit, at the end of the RFC: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Requests_for_comment/MP4_Video#Commercial_use_and_h264 I note that the Wikimedia Foundation does not really have to obtain a license to use H.264 encoders and decoders, users could do the format conversions elsewhere and the Wikimedia Foundation could then merely distribute the files. As the RfC notes, Merely distributing MP4 files never requires a patent license. That would spare us problems like the secret contract issue. Why does the proposal, instead, suggest the Foundation should engage in the practise of, not just mere distribution, but Internet Broadcasting? That apparently requires a patent license. For that matter, would users who download video automatically obtain Internet Re-Broadcasting rights? I do note that according to MPEG LA there are only about 1300 entities with relevant license agreements, if putting a H.264 video on my web site whether people can download it is Internet Broadcasting and I do not obtain an Internet Broadcasting license by pressing the record button on my camera, or some other automatic process, then that figure is several orders of magnitude too small, or patent holders tolerate a lot of infringement (for the moment). Would it really make sense to label video files as freely shareable if forms of sharing like Internet Broadcasting need additional licenses? -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Should we support MP4 Video on our sites?
* Fabrice Florin wrote: The Wikimedia Foundation's multimedia team (1) seeks your guidance on a proposal to support the MP4 video format. As you know, this digital video standard is used widely around the world to record, edit and watch videos on mobile phones, desktop computers and home video devices. It is also known as H.264/MPEG-4 or AVC. (2) Actually, MP4 is a container format and H.264 a video codec, and it is quite normal to use variants of H.264 with other container formats like AVI. Likewise, MP4 does not imply using AAC as audio codec, MP3 could be used instead, for instance. An analysis why AAC is being proposed may be useful here. However, MP4 is a patent-encumbered format, and using a proprietary format would be a departure from our current practice of only supporting open formats on our sites -- even though the licenses appear to have acceptable legal terms, with only a small fee required. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=114053933 notes Though the full license agreements cannot be disclosed in public. That is not very helpful in analysing claims later on like Merely distributing MP4 files never requires a patent license. What is the exact language to be used to inform anyone handling H.264 video downloaded from Wikimedia Foundation servers of their rights and restrictions, specifically with regards to the relevant patent porfolio? Making it abundantly clear what users can and cannot do with such files should be considered a pre-condition for considering such a proposal. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement Sarah Stierch
* Frank Schulenburg wrote: And so I ask you to respect Sarah's privacy at what is surely a difficult time for her, ... An extremely visible public announcement that the Wikimedia Foundation has fired her within two days of an allegation of misconduct -- that is how you are making it sound -- is not quite respecting her privacy. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users
* Nathan wrote: We should thank them for editing using a major banner, a la the fundraiser. I don't know why we do huge fundraising drives but seem to neglect editing drives, even though editing is really the core way for people to donate to Wikimedia. That would make many editors very annoyed and angry and drive them away. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Domain Day
* Romaine Wiki wrote: January 1st was Public Domain Day [1] and after xx years of copyright, it expires on the first of January of the year after. As result hundreds of images were restored on Commons on the 1-1-2014, but many of them did not get a place in articles on Wikipedia and her sister projects. I added all the restored media to this gallery: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Romaine/Public_Domain_Day/2013 How did you obtain a list of the relevant files? I find it a bit worrying that Commons makes little effort to distinguish between copyright on this sculpture and copyright on this photograph of a sculpture. It would seem preferable if there was suitable meta data recording the reason why these media have been restored. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Domain Day
* Michael Maggs wrote: On 3 Jan 2014, at 14:22, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: I find it a bit worrying that Commons makes little effort to distinguish between copyright on this sculpture and copyright on this photograph of a sculpture. It would seem preferable if there was suitable meta data recording the reason why these media have been restored. That distinction is made very carefully in Commons policies, and has been for many years.. If you have examples of some images that have been tagged incorrectly, please say. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oeuvre_de_Gustav_Vigeland_(4846416424).jpg was the first I clicked and it does not seem to have any structured in- dication of a PD status. I take it some of the other images are in the `PD-author` category, so perhaps not all metadata has been updated for the images, hence my question how the list was obtained. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored
* James Salsman wrote: Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for instance? Related: https://twitter.com/DellCares/status/417812096072818688. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor
* Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways so I just want to be clear. Could you elaborate on this confusion and where you think it is common? The 24 hour clock divides a day into 24 hours from 0 to 23 starting at midnight. 23:59 is 23 hours and 59 minutes after 00:00 on the same day. 2013-11-03T00:00Z --+ 2013-11-03T00:01Z | ... | 2013-11-03T00:59Z |-- November 3rd 2013-11-03T01:00Z | ... | 2013-11-03T23:59Z --+ 2013-11-04T00:00Z ... The minute after 2013-11-03T23:59Z is on November 4th. I do understand that when setting a deadline you are better off giving the end of a day as deadline so the time is up when the day is over, otherwise people see a contradiction and get confused, but beyond that I've not encountered this particular confusion. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners
* Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: it came to my attention very recently that a link to a YouTube video has been included in our fundraising banners[1] last year, enabling people by default to watch a video about Wikipedia loaded through a YouTube iframe / element. I am told that there are technical limitations behind the decision to prefer YouTube over Commons, but I'm not really convinced about that; I generally think that we should not include links to websites that can track our users in our banners, and YouTube (as well as websites that use Google Analytics for statistical purposes) definitely falls under that definition. There is a huge difference between a a link and an iframe to a third party site. The third party would receive information in the a case only if someone clicks the link to go to the third party site, while the iframe would usually cause information to be sent without action. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback
* Geoff Brigham wrote: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/14/prism-surveillance-wikimedia/ You are not making a good case there as to what to do and why and how this community is affected and needs to act. An immediate question seems to be whether the Wikimedia Foundation should become signatory of the Stop Watching Us open letter. No, the letter puts too much emphasis on people in the United States and domestic spying and the Foundation should not give the impression that that is a special kind of bad. In the posting above you write: Freedom of speech and access to information are core Wikimedia values. These values can be compromised by surveillance: editors and readers understandably are less willing to write and inform themselves as honestly and freely. Should the U.S. stop gathering intelligence on people in Iran that con- tribute on the arabic Wikipedia in articles on nuclear physics? Should the U.S. carefully limit which signals going in and out of North Korea it intercepts to protect the privacy of the people there, or would it be okay if the U.S., say, simply intercepts all Internet traffic and phone calls and filters the data for anything interesting? Should there be a special committee to investigate, report, and reveal to the public the extent of all the foreign intelligence activity of the U.S.? And bad countries may do all the same things that good countries may do? I can see nothing obvious that the Foundation could say or do in this regard at this time, and would expect the community to develop answers to questions like mine above before calling for action. So, no, I don't think the Foundation should join those other organisations at this time. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation
* Andrea Zanni wrote: At the moment, Wikisource could be a interesting corpora and laboratory for improving and enhancing OCR, as the OCR generated text is always proofread and corrected by humans. As part of our project ( http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource_vision_development), Micru was looking for a GSoC candidate for studing the reinsertion of proofread text into djvus [1], but at the moment didn't find any interested student. We have some contacts with people at Google working on Tesseract, and they were available for mentoring. [1] We thought about this both for OCR enhancement purposes and files updating on Commons and Internet Archive (which is off topic here). I built various tools that could be fairly easily adapted for this, my http://www.google.com/search?q=site:lists.w3.org+intitle:hoehrmann+ocr notes are available. One of the tools for instance is a diff tool, see image at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Apr/0031. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage launch: why no blog post or pressrelease?
* Jay Walsh wrote: I'm amused that this thread commenced with a reflection about the need to distribute press releases at the appropriate global time window and has rolled into this. I've been at this for five years and this is the first time I've seen so much attention paid to the manner we communicate with the world. Putting an extremely large and annoying banner on top of every Wikipedia article is difficult to ignore for many people. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.
* Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning neutrality. You might say it was done for great reasons, and that it doesn't corrupt the principle of neutrality generally or imperil the reputation of the project, etc. But it's impossible to rationally argue that the SOPA/PIPA protest didn't temporarily set aside neutrality. Neutrality is an article concept, not a project concept and the protest did not change articles, it rendered them hard to access and different content was rendered in their stead, and that fact was very obvious. If the project was neutral, in the sense the concept is defined for articles, it would be defined be how it is seen by others. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?
* Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the parents and match the age of the child. The only software which does this perfectly is the brain of the parents that tracks the actions of the child, stops them when necessary and gives useful advice (even better then Clippy). What parent tracks every action of their child? You seem to have a very unrealistic picture of how parenting works. I guess i have to really wrap any comment inside the sarcasmironytakeItNotToSerious tag stack to avoid confusion... No, the Wikimedia Foundation should develop a personal sarcasm filter for this mailing list so nobody is surprised or confused by what they (don't) read here. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?
* Michael Peel wrote: My understanding of this line of argument was that images would be displayed where you would expect them to be displayed (e.g. the article on penis or vagina would naturally include a picture of a penis or vagina), but wouldn't be immediately displayed where you wouldn't expect them (e.g. if you want to find information on necklaces made of pearls). Did anyone argue for displaying images where they would not expect them? -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright
* David Gerard wrote: So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. You don't say who we are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on copyright matters much beyond which licenses it is using and why, and which problems Wikipedia might be facing due to various aspects of copyright, the likely result is, This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move especially if it comes as specific as the suggestion above. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjo...@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
