Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
That's one step better than I was hoping for, If all y'all are already in close contact with Erik, then I'm no longer needed in this phase. :-) (unless I can help with setup, or getting more data, or etc.) Good luck, and have fun! :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning PS. do post regular updates on status. I'd love to know how things go from here! :-) On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:06:32PM +0200, Stefan Fussan wrote: We are about to migrate the WT data on WV as a first step ( http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ ). I am in touch with Erik as well. Till now i have got no time table and any further information from the WMF. But I am sure, during the next two weeks we will know more details about the procedure. Stefan aka Fussi Am 17.09.2012 19:31, schrieb Samuel Klein: The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed. I haven't seen a specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta and on Wikivoyage. Sam. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the servers? What's the current time-frame? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed. I haven't seen a specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta and on Wikivoyage. Sam. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the servers? What's the current time-frame? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
We are about to migrate the WT data on WV as a first step ( http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ ). I am in touch with Erik as well. Till now i have got no time table and any further information from the WMF. But I am sure, during the next two weeks we will know more details about the procedure. Stefan aka Fussi Am 17.09.2012 19:31, schrieb Samuel Klein: The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed. I haven't seen a specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta and on Wikivoyage. Sam. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the servers? What's the current time-frame? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the servers? What's the current time-frame? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
Actually the answer seems simple. Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself if needed. We may do more (add diffs and other authors where omitted, link to an explanatory page), but whatever information IB provides, if we show at least the attribution information visible in IB's own public pages, it would inherently be hard for IB to sustain a claim of any fork inadequately attributing original authors. Also attribution of wikitravel or IB itself is not a barrier. It doesn't provides any assistance to IB in terms of their presumed goal of preventing forking. It is trivial to meet any sane and legally necesary acknowledgement of wikitravel.com and/or IB, once IB stipulate (as they inevitably must) the attribution they feel to be acceptable and its legal basis. Beyond that the rest is a matter for, 1/ the wikitravel community such as care to speak on it, and 2/ any minimum attribution the wikimedia community or the Foundation might feel is needed for best practice or license compliance. It may be possible in a number of ways but I'm sure a satisfactory agreement would not involve IB-style litigatory approaches. FT2 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself if needed. All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue, they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they don't own any of the content. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Academic yes, however it's noise in their claim. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue, they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they don't own any of the content. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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To be fair, it's nice to see that they recognize their community has a value :) Flo On 9/6/12 4:40 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: \o/ Nice! and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand awiegand-aeojrepdgneggljvpfv...@public.gmane.org wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content and welcome the contributions of community members from around the world. We look forward to having a project that can provide additional content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we believe this site will do. As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff, the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate the community taking the initiative to make this possible. As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation or stop the process. [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/ [2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf Regards, Alice. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list wikimedia-l-rusutvdil2icgmh+5r0dm0b+6bgkl...@public.gmane.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft -- Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org Operations Engineer ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across with the page history intact, which will constitute the appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be compelled to provide one). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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2012/9/7 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across with the page history intact, which will constitute the appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be compelled to provide one). WikiTeam did some backups in 2011 but only the last version for every page, because the server was weak and unable to provide the complete history http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2q=wikitravel Indeed, they have started to protect themselves against the content export http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Export ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be compelled to provide one). They just disabled their Special:Export page, but too late a bit since the WikiTeam already made these: http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2q=wikitravel -- Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org Operations Engineer ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On 7 September 2012 20:59, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across with the page history intact Really? it says.. (2) credit the author, licensor and/or other parties (such as a wiki or journal) in the manner they specify; The page you linked to doesn't specify any particular form of attribution that I can see, so just crediting the author satisfies that requirement. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history 2012/9/7 Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across with the page history intact Really? it says.. (2) credit the author, licensor and/or other parties (such as a wiki or journal) in the manner they specify; ..and yeah, we don't appear to have the full history. -- Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org Operations Engineer ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Just write Imported from Wikitravel and list the names of all page authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit) On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
How to re-use Wikitravel guides http://www.webcitation.org/6AVYKMbhE Example of credits: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Singaporeaction=credits 2012/9/7 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
On 7 Sep 2012, at 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as: This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic variable]], which is released under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0]. i.e. to the project not the authors… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REUSE#Example_notice Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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We have a complete set of articles and pictures including the complete history (August 2012 just a day before they disabled the api). We are about to migrate all articles on Wikivoyage. A test of Wikitravel:en articles and wikitravel:shared pictures on Wikivoyage is running. So we have a Wikivoyag/en and a second shared: now. Its the first step to move it to the WMF. Please take participate on the discussion - especially concerning the proper attribution... http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Talk:Migration_FAQ#4._Legal_issues Am 07.09.2012 22:21, schrieb Deryck Chan: Just write Imported from Wikitravel and list the names of all page authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit) On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel. Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by employees in the course of their employment). ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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On 7 September 2012 21:25, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as: This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic variable]], which is released under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0]. i.e. to the project not the authors… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REUSE#Example_notice Which is fine because the notice when you edit a page says: You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license. So linking to the article is providing attribution in the manner they specify. I can't see any similar notice on Wikitravel. I definitely can't see anything saying you are licensing it with a requirement to attribute to Wikitravel. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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On 7 September 2012 20:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across with the page history intact, which will constitute the appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be compelled to provide one). People have been taking dumps of every page and its history, in preparation for forking. This was inspired by Internet Brands being reluctant to actually put up database dumps. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content and welcome the contributions of community members from around the world. We look forward to having a project that can provide additional content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we believe this site will do. As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff, the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate the community taking the initiative to make this possible. As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation or stop the process. [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/ [2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf Regards, Alice. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement
\o/ Nice! and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand awieg...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following statement about the travel guide RfC http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content and welcome the contributions of community members from around the world. We look forward to having a project that can provide additional content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we believe this site will do. As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff, the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate the community taking the initiative to make this possible. As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation or stop the process. [1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/ [2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf Regards, Alice. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 97 97 18 884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
