Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 10:50 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote: On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com: Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Heh we don't want that to happen obviously. I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) However if people want to help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is possible. Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically for that of course. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
Firstly, let me say this is very very cool news. I went to go and have a browse though, and it's all tied up in a massive (around 3gb) archive file rather than being easily browsable. I know that WikiData is the obvious place to put it, but perhaps it would be useful as a reference work on Wikisource in its own right, decompressed and machine formatted into an easier to search format? Cheers, Craig On 25 Apr 2012, at 19:29, emijrp wrote: 2012/4/25 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki at gmail.com Thanks for sharing, I had read about it on the NYT but nothing was said on license. So now the USA have more open bibliographic data than Germany/Europe? :) lobid.org is a very nice initiative, but other catalog systems have very complex interactions between hundreds or thousands of entities and it's very hard to change the licenses. The main problem is usually deduplication and quality of the records, any information on this for Harvard's data? Mateus Nobre, 25/04/2012 19:44: Add ALL at Wikisource! Wikisource? This is only metadata. Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata. A mass dump of all of the information onto Wikisource wouldn't be good - but being able to extract complete bibliographies of specific authors on demand would actually be quite useful for properly building author pages on Wikisource, rather than the current ad-hoc and incomplete lists that currently exist. (With the consequence that bibliographies on Wikipedia could be 'outsourced' to Wikisource, bringing that project much-needed readers and editors). Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0
I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-). As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in 2015 (i'm gonna cry). This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after that. It might happen before 2015 or not. Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-( Heh we don't want that to happen obviously. I'm not crying yet :-) .. if people want to help and work towards bringing Wikidata also to the sister-projects then that would be welcome from our side. And of course they will be able to use Wikidata like any other 3rd party as soon as that is possible. Thank you Lydia for your reply, I would be definetely good to be be in touch with the WikiData team as sister projects users. I have to clarify my previous statement. The team doing the initial development will mainly be focusing on getting this up and running for the Wikipedias. (We will obviously keep sister-projects and projects outside Wikimedia in mind while doing that.) I know this won't change anything, and I know that I'm very biased, but let me unburden just this time. :-) It seems to me that it would be more logical, for a start, to work on a simpler and well-defined framework for meta/data. Wikisource just need a way to manage bibliographic metadata: it could use Dublin Core, as a standard, fetch its data from Commons, and maybe use OAI-PMH as a protocol. Of course, it needs the technical infrastructure for manage data. Commons would be the repository for both data and scans, and the data could be taken from Author and Books template. It seems to me that this metadata issue, in both Commons and Wiksource, wouldn't need gazillions hours of work, but I guess it has always been low priority (not your fault of course, but still here we are) I know that working on Wikipedia has a much broader reach, so it's OK. I just wanted to say this louder :-) Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future? Questions regarding sister-projects and how they can fit into the whole Wikidata picture are obviously very welcome at the next office hours on Monday (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Events). If there is more demand for it we can also do office hours specifically for that of course. I'll try to participate and understand better what you are going to do. Thanks for the info. Aubrey ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last! Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a bunch of small backstage wikis), benefited from this feature. There are still a few steps left, to monitor performance impact.[3] The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Nemo [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/thread.html#65294 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages#E-mail_notification [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c53 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. —vvv On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last! Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a bunch of small backstage wikis), benefited from this feature. There are still a few steps left, to monitor performance impact.[3] The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Nemo [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/thread.html#65294 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages#E-mail_notification [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c53 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
- Original Message - From: Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. Agree. The whole thing seems a tad unnecessary to me, since most users tend to contribute to their home language wikipedia, and perhaps Commons, but little else. A talk page edit is therefore unlikely to be important enough to need immediate action, but if the issue *is* important, a more focussed email may be sent to SUL users. Perhaps this might be a more useful option. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. A daily digest would be cool. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187 -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Automatically adjusting the email frequency might be a worthwhile feature to strive for: If an editor hasn't logged in within the past 30 days, revert to monthly digest, that way we don't drive editors away with the email frequency. -Stephanie On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:07 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. A daily digest would be cool. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187 -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not like 10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta. Then turn off the feature. New users dont know how to turn it on. The emails can explain how to turn it off. So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit? If so, I can imagine a few users finding themselves with hundreds of emails before they next checked their mail and saw any opportunity to switch it off. Could a site banner be put up just to let users know it's there, perhaps with a link to a page of explanation about what it does and how to switch it on? Sounds better to me than risking potential surprise email barrages. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: New users dont know how to turn it on. ...and I've just had a little trouble myself. I looked under the 'watchlist' tab of my prefs. It isn't there. It's under 'user profile'. Hmmm. Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have an older account you have to manually turn it on. The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015... Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement that unless they do, there won't be any further emails? -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en.[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis
Bod Notbod, 28/04/2012 01:29: So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit? No, one email per watchlisted *page* edited. If there are hundreds of edits to a single page, you'll receive only one email. Andrew Gray, 28/04/2012 01:46: On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their watchlist before they opt-out. Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have an older account you have to manually turn it on. Sure, this is the easiest part. If the default for the checkbox is changed, it changes only for new users (as opposed to defaults in the dropdown options, like thumb size), as far as I know/remember (but I'm not a dev). The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015... Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement that unless they do, there won't be any further emails? This was already done by en.wiki for user talk notifications by changing [[MediaWiki:Enotif body]] to explain the new thing. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Birgitte, Andrew, thank you for your kind words. True credit on this one goes to Maggie, Geoff, and the community members who worked countless hours with them and discussed in great detail almost every word of the thing. I think everyone involved would tell you that it was a thoughtful, deliberative, and truly exhausting process but it was amazing in its collegiality in the final product. I'm proud to be part of the team that worked on this, but my role was small... my hat is off to Maggie, Geoff, and all the others who participated (below, I have listed everyone with more than 15 edits to the talk page where it was developed.) Community Members with more than 15 edits to the Talk page: Geoffbrigham Mdennis (WMF) WhatamIdoing Filceolaire FT2 Peteforsyth Michaeldsuarez Seth Finkelstein Angel54 5 Seb az86556 WereSpielChequers Steven (WMF) Rosenkohl Esetzer Wnt Teofilo Philippe (WMF) John Vandenberg Danhash Rich Farmbrough Dcoetzee 62.140.210.130 Григор Гачев ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en .[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Norway annual assembly - new board
Hi all, Wikimedia Norway (WMNO) had its annual assembly last Thursday. See http://no.wikimedia.org/wiki/About_us for a short English presentation of the newly elected board. -- Best regards, Kjetil Ree (user:kjetil_r) Wikimedia Norway ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: IRC Office Hours
+1 to all of that. Gayle is awesome fun. :) On 27 April 2012 21:29, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gayle Young, the Wikimedia Foundation's Chief Talent and Culture Officer, will be our guest for IRC office hours on Tuesday, May 1, at 17:00 UTC. Gayle is a ridiculously smart lady, who has a deep interest in organizational development; some members of local chapters met her in Berlin. This should be a really interesting session... I strongly encourage anyone interested in that topic - or who has an interest in the HR/personnel matters of the Foundation - to attend. Office hours will be in #wikimedia-office on the freenode IRC network. More details and time conversions can be found at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours See you there. :) pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Kudos to the community and WMF teams for creating this outstanding document! I love the brevity, clarity -- and yes, elegance -- of your human-readable summary. I'm amazed that you managed to fit our most important goals, rights and responsibilities into just 12 bullet points. It's an inspiring achievement, which I will seek to emulate in my own work. Well done, everybody! Fabrice __ Fabrice Florin Product Manager, Editor Engagement Wikimedia Foundation +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6827 work fflo...@wikimedia.org On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:00 AM, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 23:43:04 -0700 From: Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use Message-ID: capb+ky_omsnlpit3jwhjzslzzccvmtahb+g84jop2wy97_d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Birgitte, Andrew, thank you for your kind words. True credit on this one goes to Maggie, Geoff, and the community members who worked countless hours with them and discussed in great detail almost every word of the thing. I think everyone involved would tell you that it was a thoughtful, deliberative, and truly exhausting process but it was amazing in its collegiality in the final product. I'm proud to be part of the team that worked on this, but my role was small... my hat is off to Maggie, Geoff, and all the others who participated (below, I have listed everyone with more than 15 edits to the talk page where it was developed.) Community Members with more than 15 edits to the Talk page: Geoffbrigham Mdennis (WMF) WhatamIdoing Filceolaire FT2 Peteforsyth Michaeldsuarez Seth Finkelstein Angel54 5 Seb az86556 WereSpielChequers Steven (WMF) Rosenkohl Esetzer Wnt Teofilo Philippe (WMF) John Vandenberg Danhash Rich Farmbrough Dcoetzee 62.140.210.130 ?? ? ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: On Apr 27, 2012, at 12:49 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone, As you may be aware, Wikimedia has updated its Terms of Use. This updated version will become effective on May 25, 2012, and can be reviewed herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use_%282012%29/en .[1] A short overview of some of the changes is set out herehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/New_Terms_of_use. [2] Best wishes, Philippe Terms of use are boring, and most of us are pretty jaded by how impenetrable, legalistic and, well, awful, most terms of use are on the internet. I want to congratulate you and your department on NOT doing this. The new terms of use are written in clear English, well set out, and cover what seem to be the appropriate bases without being overly verbose and cautious. Well done, Philippe, Geoff, and everyone else. I am also impressed. It actually ends up being the best one piece introduction to what Wikimedia *is* that I have ever read. A lot of thought and consideration were soundly invested in that document. Clarity on that level is HARD, but well worth the effort. I also am thinking that the staff have just set a rather high bar for the board. Imagine if all board resolutions were written with as just as much focus on clarity and as on circumspection. These terms of use show it is possible. Birgitte SB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l End of Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 81 *** ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Jan; we get new features fairly regularly :). At the moment we're working on two new pieces of software - the Article Feedback Form, v5, and New Page Triage (a replacement for Special:NewPages). After that we're moving on to a proper notifications system to allow better communication and participation across wikis. I appreciate the rate of progress may seem slow; it is worth pointing out we have a very small teem of features engineers (although more are being hired!) and so are limited in how many different things we can work on at once. On 25 April 2012 19:50, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). WMF should invest in new features. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. Kozuch 2012/4/25 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: On 04/23/2012 01:03 PM, Jan Ku?era wrote: Hi there, If, on the other hand, you just mean features to promote greater communication and networking between editors, that's a clear priority - I'm happy to talk to people about the work we're doing, and to hear any suggestions along the way :). yes I exactly meant that. It is about making contributing not suck. How often does Wikipedia (=MediaWiki) get big new features??? I posted a bug about integrating some kind of graph/chart feature (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806) and in 9 months almost nothing happened... and this really sucks... beleive it or not... Kozuch Hi, Kozuch. I look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806 and I see that, within a day of the issue being filed, multiple experienced MediaWiki developers commented on that issue to explain what the chart software's developers would have to do in order to make it suitable for use on our sites. I've also contacted the author of that extension to point at that bug's comments and at this procedural guide: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment so if you could help me in alerting the extension's author to those comments, that would be great. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Write about Wikipedia Zero!
Wikipedia Zero is starting to get more attention recently. We could use set of funny / beautiful / amazing images of it in use, and a compelling overview page to send people to that mentions how to can spread the word / get their local distributors or politicians or schools on board. Then we should run a little viral publicity campaign. It's really a very sexy project. We could frame it as something universal: free access to Wikipedia on all mobile devices and networks. This seems to be the main project page for now, so I've been encouraging people to link to it in their posts. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero SJ -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Sumana writes: so if you could help me in alerting the extension's author to those comments, that would be great. Thanks! Jan Kučera writes: yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). WMF should invest in new features. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. +1 to investing in supporting code written by others. I think Sumana put it very well above :) You can help facilitate better/faster communication between core mediawiki devs and extension writers. SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Hi Oliver, the development progress definitely is very very slow. As a comparison, did you watch how the web front-end of Facebook changes within the last year? It was completely overhauled about three times... You may object Facebook is commercial and not comparable to Wikimedia, but this basically is not true at all sice BOTH sites compete for the same users (editors in case of Wikimedia). I know that comparison to any other commercial site is not welcome here, but that is a sad point people in the community still think commercial/noncomemrcial are two different worlds - they arent. There is only one user, who actually does not care a lot about a site being commercial/uncommercial... There is only one market, so Wikimedia has to behave much like the commercial sites (of course with little specifics to a non-profit like privacy etc.). From the point of this comparison, there is almost no development to MediaWiki... this is very sad, from a multi-million budget we only have few feauter engineers... :((( The software is a significant part of the whole site and community, if you have bad software you will never have great content... Features engineers should be the core of all Wikimedia staff, it is pitty to see the reality is exactly the other way round... The example can be myself - I am missing chart features withint MediaWiki/Wikipedia, I filled a bug, nothing happens, I may leave the community for good... This is the same story over and over again. Foundation did not really care till now... Kozuch 2012/4/29 Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org: Jan; we get new features fairly regularly :). At the moment we're working on two new pieces of software - the Article Feedback Form, v5, and New Page Triage (a replacement for Special:NewPages). After that we're moving on to a proper notifications system to allow better communication and participation across wikis. I appreciate the rate of progress may seem slow; it is worth pointing out we have a very small teem of features engineers (although more are being hired!) and so are limited in how many different things we can work on at once. On 25 April 2012 19:50, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). WMF should invest in new features. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. Kozuch 2012/4/25 Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org: On 04/23/2012 01:03 PM, Jan Ku?era wrote: Hi there, If, on the other hand, you just mean features to promote greater communication and networking between editors, that's a clear priority - I'm happy to talk to people about the work we're doing, and to hear any suggestions along the way :). yes I exactly meant that. It is about making contributing not suck. How often does Wikipedia (=MediaWiki) get big new features??? I posted a bug about integrating some kind of graph/chart feature (https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806) and in 9 months almost nothing happened... and this really sucks... beleive it or not... Kozuch Hi, Kozuch. I look at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29806 and I see that, within a day of the issue being filed, multiple experienced MediaWiki developers commented on that issue to explain what the chart software's developers would have to do in order to make it suitable for use on our sites. I've also contacted the author of that extension to point at that bug's comments and at this procedural guide: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment so if you could help me in alerting the extension's author to those comments, that would be great. Thanks! -- Sumana Harihareswara Volunteer Development Coordinator Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liaison, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
On Apr 29, 2012, at 1:04 AM, Jan Kučera wrote: Hi Oliver, the development progress definitely is very very slow. As a comparison, did you watch how the web front-end of Facebook changes within the last year? It was completely overhauled about three times... You may object Facebook is commercial and not comparable to Wikimedia, but this basically is not true at all sice BOTH sites compete for the same users (editors in case of Wikimedia). I know that comparison to any other commercial site is not welcome here, but that is a sad point people in the community still think commercial/noncomemrcial are two different worlds - they arent. There is only one user, who actually does not care a lot about a site being commercial/uncommercial... There is only one market, so Wikimedia has to behave much like the commercial sites (of course with little specifics to a non-profit like privacy etc.) You are comparing apples and oranges. Facebook: * Has *hundreds of millions* of dollars to devote to developer staff; * Does *not* have a community that demands to be consulted for every change; * Does *not* require that features work in ancient browsers; * Does *not* have to support skins and other technology built ten years ago; * Does *not* have to develop in order to support non-Facebook installs of their software; * Has *only* about 100 languages to develop for; * Pays *above* market rate From the point of this comparison, there is almost no development to MediaWiki... this is very sad, from a multi-million budget we only have few feauter engineers... :((( The software is a significant part of the whole site and community, if you have bad software you will never have great content... Features engineers should be the core of all Wikimedia staff, it is pitty to see the reality is exactly the other way round.. I'm not sure I agree with you that Features Engineers should be the core of the Foundation's staff but that's not really relevant. There are two major constraints that I think need to be understood. First, the multi-million budget we have is actually *nothing* by the standards of sites and tech systems that are 1/20th of our size and scale. Bear in mind that features engineering only receives a fraction of the 30 million (or whatever) each year. (For comparison, a friend of mine runs a moderate-sized e-commerce site. Her budget, per year, is $300 million dollars. They get probably 1/100th of our traffic and users. Probably less.) Second, and this is going to make people surly, but the we don't pay crap. Our salaries are the lowest of the low. It is close to impossible to attract experienced talent when you are offering 80% of market rate. So even if we decided to put ALL the budget into hiring software engineers, it wouldn't mean anything because we still couldn't hire those people. The example can be myself - I am missing chart features withint MediaWiki/Wikipedia, I filled a bug, nothing happens, I may leave the community for good... This is the same story over and over again. Foundation did not really care till now... This is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. If you feel strongly about this, you should lobby more and more people, and create a greater consensus that your chart software is important to everyone and should be elevated. Leaving the community isn't the solution: you miss 100% of the balls you don't take a swing at. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Contribute box on wikimediafoundation.org
Hi. A few months ago I created Template:Contribute at wikimediafoundation.org.[1] It displays above the edit window whenever a logged out user presses the Contribute (previously Edit) tab. There were some concerns that this message was still too obscure, so I've now implemented a namespace notice via a MediaWiki gadget. When viewing any page in the Talk namespace, you'll now see the contents of Template:Contribute below the page title. The relevant code can be found here.[2] MZMcBride [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Contribute [2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-NamespaceNotice.js ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Contribute box on wikimediafoundation.org
On 29 April 2012 22:53, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. A few months ago I created Template:Contribute at wikimediafoundation.org.[1] It displays above the edit window whenever a logged out user presses the Contribute (previously Edit) tab. There were some concerns that this message was still too obscure, so I've now implemented a namespace notice via a MediaWiki gadget. When viewing any page in the Talk namespace, you'll now see the contents of Template:Contribute below the page title. The relevant code can be found here.[2] MZMcBride [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Contribute [2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-NamespaceNotice.js MZM, do you think you could make it more clear where exactly the links go to? It's not clear that it is taking the user to another project where his message will be publicly accessible. I am familiar with one case where someone clicked on one of those links, expecting that his message would go directly to the WMF and not be publicly available on Meta. While there's something to be said for users having to be net-savvy, I think we're all just a little too used to open discussion on public forums, where there's no telling who might decide to respond and put their two cents in. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
Hi can anyone point me to a write up of the the test plan for this morning's experiment on Wikipedia? Having been logged off about ten times I've worked out that you get logged out the first two times you change page. It will be interesting to see how many editors revert to IP editing. WSC ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Knol is closing tomorrow
Dear all; First it was Encarta, then printed Britannica. Tomorrow, Knol.[1][2] It is not a good moment for Wikipedia rivals. We at Archive Team are attempting to download all the 700,000 Knols.[3] For the sake of history. Join us, #archiveteam EFNET. Regards, emijrp [1] http://knol.google.com/k [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7144970.stm [3] http://db.tt/GNrEh61y -- Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada. E-mail: emijrp AT gmail DOT com Pre-doctoral student at the University of Cádiz (Spain) Projects: AVBOT http://code.google.com/p/avbot/ | StatMediaWikihttp://statmediawiki.forja.rediris.es | WikiEvidens http://code.google.com/p/wikievidens/ | WikiPapershttp://wikipapers.referata.com | WikiTeam http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/emijrp/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:33 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi can anyone point me to a write up of the the test plan for this morning's experiment on Wikipedia? Having been logged off about ten times I've worked out that you get logged out the first two times you change page. It will be interesting to see how many editors revert to IP editing. WSC I haven't been logged out, but very few of my edits are saving first time -- I keep getting the session expired message, even when I've only been on the page for a minute or so. And editing has been painfully slow. Lots of discussion about it at the PUMP -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29oldid=489919998#Loss_of_session_data_and_slowness_issues It seems to have started for some people on April 10th. I've been noticing the slow speed for a couple of days, and since yesterday the difficulty saving. Sarah ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention implies social features
Kozuch, Others have responded to many of your other points. I just wanted to help with two things: On 04/25/2012 02:49 PM, Jan Kučera wrote: Hi, yes, there surely were comments from developers... that is positive. But the result as general is still nothing at all (the feature is not even nearing deployment). The reason that feature is not moving towards deployment is because of the issues that the other developers explained in their Bugzilla comments. Can you help by asking Robert Horlings Gérard de Smaele to respond to those comments? I have tried to contact them but haven't heard any response. I am not a dev and thus can not contribute any code. Kozuch We welcome the contributions of non-developers to the software development process! For example, you can: * help test the software and file bug reports (example: http://www.mkltesthead.com/2012/04/weekend-testing-on-march-5th-something.html ) * help document the current state of engineering activity so everyone's more aware of what's happening: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Project_documentation_howto * join the wikitech-ambassadors list to help communicate between your wiki communities and WMF about upcoming and desired changes: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-ambassadors And I see you're already on the Bug Squad to help monitor new incoming bug reports and check whether old ones are still valid: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:WikiProject_Bug_Squad Thank you! Thanks. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:33 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi can anyone point me to a write up of the the test plan for this morning's experiment on Wikipedia? Having been logged off about ten times I've worked out that you get logged out the first two times you change page. It will be interesting to see how many editors revert to IP editing. WSC Erm, not any experiment I know of! I believe it's a server issue, but I'll wait for ops to chime in. Maryana I haven't been logged out, but very few of my edits are saving first time -- I keep getting the session expired message, even when I've only been on the page for a minute or so. And editing has been painfully slow. Lots of discussion about it at the PUMP -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29oldid=489919998#Loss_of_session_data_and_slowness_issues It seems to have started for some people on April 10th. I've been noticing the slow speed for a couple of days, and since yesterday the difficulty saving. Sarah ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Maryana Pinchuk Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Write about Wikipedia Zero!
I mentioned Wikipedia Zero in the last few talks that I gave about Wikidata, and I always got great feedback on that part. I agree with SJ that this is an amazing initiative that should be known better! 2012/4/29 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com Wikipedia Zero is starting to get more attention recently. We could use set of funny / beautiful / amazing images of it in use, and a compelling overview page to send people to that mentions how to can spread the word / get their local distributors or politicians or schools on board. Then we should run a little viral publicity campaign. It's really a very sexy project. We could frame it as something universal: free access to Wikipedia on all mobile devices and networks. This seems to be the main project page for now, so I've been encouraging people to link to it in their posts. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero SJ -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 2 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
Not planned perhaps, but I wish it were. It would be fantastically great for us to start serious experiments of all sorts for ten minutes here and there, to begin to understand the subtle dynamics of contribution. SJ On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:33 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Hi can anyone point me to a write up of the the test plan for this morning's experiment on Wikipedia? Having been logged off about ten times I've worked out that you get logged out the first two times you change page. It will be interesting to see how many editors revert to IP editing. WSC Erm, not any experiment I know of! I believe it's a server issue, but I'll wait for ops to chime in. Maryana I haven't been logged out, but very few of my edits are saving first time -- I keep getting the session expired message, even when I've only been on the page for a minute or so. And editing has been painfully slow. Lots of discussion about it at the PUMP -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29oldid=489919998#Loss_of_session_data_and_slowness_issues It seems to have started for some people on April 10th. I've been noticing the slow speed for a couple of days, and since yesterday the difficulty saving. Sarah ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Maryana Pinchuk Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] First IRC office hours with the editor engagement experiments team
Hi everyone, This Friday, May 4th, at 20:30 UTC the new editor engagement experiments team will be hosting our first IRC office hours. In case you missed it, Sue announced the creation of the team as a subset of the engineering and product department back in March.[1] Though we're still in the process of hiring a designer and developers, we've already started an experiment or two,[2] which we'll be talking about. More importantly, we're interested in discussing some of our future ideas and how interested community members would like to see things set up so they can contribute to experiments. In prep for that discussion, I'd highly encourage everyone to read the FAQ we've put up and check out the talk page with some community suggestions already rolling in.[3] I know editor engagement can sound like a somewhat meaningless piece of jargon, and something that may be of little interest to everyday Wikimedians. But as an example and a small plug for why you should attend, our first experiment is relevant to current changes in the software... watchlist emails were recently enabled for all projects, and in the few weeks prior to that, we've started testing what happens when you email lapsed Wikipedians inviting them to come back and check their watchlist. As usual, documentation on office hours is on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours 1. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/276223 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_Engagement_Experiments 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_engagement_experiments Thanks, and hopefully we'll see you Friday! -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Write about Wikipedia Zero!
Arianit Dobroshi has been working on getting free access in kosovo from ipko, mike On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: I mentioned Wikipedia Zero in the last few talks that I gave about Wikidata, and I always got great feedback on that part. I agree with SJ that this is an amazing initiative that should be known better! 2012/4/29 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com Wikipedia Zero is starting to get more attention recently. We could use set of funny / beautiful / amazing images of it in use, and a compelling overview page to send people to that mentions how to can spread the word / get their local distributors or politicians or schools on board. Then we should run a little viral publicity campaign. It's really a very sexy project. We could frame it as something universal: free access to Wikipedia on all mobile devices and networks. This seems to be the main project page for now, so I've been encouraging people to link to it in their posts. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero SJ -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 2 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:33 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Having been logged off about ten times Our memcached cluster (which handles session information) has been experiencing stability issues in the last few weeks. Over the weekend, we rebooted all memcached boxes to deal with a particular kernel issue. Unfortunately there's no graceful failover, which caused session issues to be temporarily exacerbated. As far as we know the cluster should be stable at this point in time. However, you may need to log out and log back in in order to fix the issue for your account. We're planning to add database backing to session handling and improve the MediaWiki integration, to improve stability in the long term. If you're still experiencing session issues after logging out and logging back in, the best place to report them is this bug in Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35900 -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Only IP editing allowed on Wikipedia
Hey, think positive. We can use this time of just Ip editing, for get some data and analyze. Just, like... Have you ever thought how many IPs are vandalism reversers? and other stuff :) On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:33 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Having been logged off about ten times Our memcached cluster (which handles session information) has been experiencing stability issues in the last few weeks. Over the weekend, we rebooted all memcached boxes to deal with a particular kernel issue. Unfortunately there's no graceful failover, which caused session issues to be temporarily exacerbated. As far as we know the cluster should be stable at this point in time. However, you may need to log out and log back in in order to fix the issue for your account. We're planning to add database backing to session handling and improve the MediaWiki integration, to improve stability in the long term. If you're still experiencing session issues after logging out and logging back in, the best place to report them is this bug in Bugzilla: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35900 -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- _ *M*ateus*N*obre Free knowledge, free software, free culture, open data. *Freedom, acessibility, autonomy, openess, independence, transparency. That's our way.* *And yours?* +55 (84) 8896 - 1628 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 18 -- 30 April 2012
Paid editing: Does Wikipedia Pay? The Consultant: Pete Forsyth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Paid_editing News and notes: Showdown as featured article writer openly solicits commercial opportunities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/News_and_notes Recent research: Barnstars work; Wiktionary assessed; cleanup tags counted; finding expert admins; discussion peaks; Wikipedia citations in academic publications; and more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Recent_research Discussion report: 'ReferenceTooltips' by default http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Discussion_report WikiProject report: The Cartographers of WikiProject Maps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/WikiProject_report Featured content: Featured content spreads its wings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Featured_content Arbitration report: RI Review remains in voting, two open cases http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Arbitration_report Technology report: What Git means for end users, design controversies and pertinent poll results http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30/Technology_report Single page view http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signpost/Single PDF version http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-04-30 http://identi.ca/wikisignpost / https://twitter.com/wikisignpost -- Wikipedia Signpost Staff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on the CISPA drafting process, and its significance to the Wikimedia movement.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Alec Meta alecm...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: There have been drastic changes to the CISPA language, (and here drastic is an understatement). ... At this point I think *any* action by Wikimedia would be misinterpreted. There is no-longer any text there that would affect Wikimedia directly. I think we should take our cues from the American Library Association. Wikimedia is really an outcrop of the Public Library movement. If the librarians oppose it, we are on solid ground opposing it to. Indeed, we can justify our opposition merely by pointing to the ALA's position-- Librarians are like the Military in the US-- everyone loves librarians. Going full black may not be justified, but releasing a statement of some kind (or a small banner of some kind) might be appropriate. Also, remember that we are a global organization. If the US 'legitimizes' universal cyber-surveillance, it could have deep ramifications for our readers editors living under authoritarian regimes. Even if the US is a good steward of these new powers, non-US users are unlikely to be so lucky. The language is reportedly in flux. I strongly suggest taking our cues from the ALA. If they librarians oppose it, let us oppose it too. I totally agree with all of the above, butI think we have a good opportunity to frame the argument as one of Obama and the People against a corrupt system on the Hill. Not Wikimedia as a nine-hundred pound gorilla against the peoples duly elected representatives. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: IRC Office Hours
Just thought I'd bump this thread due to the IRC sessions imminence and add value with a link to Gayle's staff page on the Foundation wiki: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Gyoung Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Tell me what I am missing here. please. Do these new rules not mean Chinese internet users are violating our terms of service, if they evade Chinese state censorhip to view our content? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
Richard, you removed some relevant language: Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, *you may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include: [..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable law. I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in some way anti-freedom is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult to craft language to do that well. ~Nathan On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I don't think it does say that, or if it does, I can't see where. You're certainly liable if you break a law in your own country, but I don't think you've broken the terms of use. It says that Certain activites may subject you to liabilities... [for example] using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable law. This means, to my eyes, that you're potentially liable (to someone) if you break the law in your own country - which makes perfect sense to me. But then, I am not a lawyer, nor do I work for the WMF. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] best practices in scheduling a meeting
Hi all, This is a small but common task :) I was writing up some tips for scheduling a meeting in the wiki-verse for someone and thought what the heck, I should put this on meta as well. So here it is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Best_practices_in_scheduling_a_meeting Please edit -- I know many of you schedule far more meetings than I do! Hopefully it will be a useful resource, especially for people new to Wikimedia who need to schedule such meetings. cheers, phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, you removed some relevant language: Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, *you may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include: [..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable law. I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in some way anti-freedom is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult to craft language to do that well. ~Nathan Would you like an opportunity to phrase that language in a sense that does not suggest Wikimedia is in support of laws that are anti-freedom? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
And the SPI (Sockpuppet Investigations) clerks are described at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/SPI/Clerks#Clerks . On 1 May 2012 20:03, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The English Wikipedia ArbCom's clerks are described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks On 1 May 2012 20:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. Thanks, Sue -- Sue Gardner Executive Director Wikimedia Foundation 415 839 6885 office 415 816 9967 cell Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Thehelpfulone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone English Wikipedia Administrator ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Based on this definition, I would not like to be called a clerk. May be an Arbcom clerk is ok, because they are supposed to keep records and undertake routine administrative duties, but not for FDC, whise members are expected to advise. The advisory group would not be clerks. The question is whether it is helpful to also have clerks, to handle record-keeping and routine administration to support the work of the FDC + advisors. SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder
On the IRC front, I note that Sue last had an IRC office hours session on 13 March and there doesn't seem to be any scheduled sessions with Sue in May. Might it be an idea to have another office hours session with Sue soon? -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On the IRC front, I note that Sue last had an IRC office hours session on 13 March and there doesn't seem to be any scheduled sessions with Sue in May. Might it be an idea to have another office hours session with Sue soon? I've currently got a suggestion in for Sue to have an office hours on 5/11, we're just in the midst of scheduling. :) Steven ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think that clerking would be useful. In other words, this decision is at least a few months down the pike. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 16:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: On 5/1/2012 12:37 PM, Risker wrote: On 1 May 2012 15:00, Sue Gardnersgard...@wikimedia.org** wrote: Hey folks, I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could point me towards. I'd suggest that before giving any thought to whether or not the FDC process would benefit from clerking, it would be better to determine what that process actually is, and whether or not the members of the FDC think that clerking would be useful. In other words, this decision is at least a few months down the pike. I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that creating this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out all the details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will have a certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on this issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we don't know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue are anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might as well have the conversation and not simply postpone it. If some kind of clerk position is created, I expect it can evolve fairly naturally as the funds dissemination process itself gets more developed. It's not that different from arbitration clerks, who have picked up various tasks over time as it was deemed practical and helpful for them to do so. Really? As best I can tell (given the paucity of information available at this point), it won't be any more complex than the Grants Advisory Group; that certainly doesn't need clerking. I am actually quite concerned that there is consideration to create a bureaucracy to support a committee whose responsibilities haven't even been delineated; doing so would set the course for the committee before the FDC Advisory Group even gets its teeth into the question. More particularly, since Sue has asked about job descriptions, the two clerk areas on English Wikipedia are sockpuppet investigations and arbitration committee pages. The former is quite active in the process itself, including blocking of suspected sockpuppets; in many cases, they act as checkusers without the tool. Arbcom clerk responsibilities are more oriented to keeping cases together, properly formatted, and tracking voting. English Wikipedia has repeatedly refused to permit the development of any other recognized clerking roles within the project, usually with good reason. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 17:06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2012 21:47, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: I don't know, is it actually that hard to make a determination that creating this kind of support role is useful? We may not have worked out all the details of the process, but it seems clear that the process will have a certain weight appropriate to the importance people are placing on this issue. That could make it quite natural to need clerks, even if we don't know yet exactly what the clerks will do. If people like SJ and Sue are anticipating a possible need, that's a decent indicator that we might as well have the conversation and not simply postpone it. I think it is fairly obvious that the FDC will need some kind of administrative support. The only question is whether that should come from volunteer clerks or WMF staff. There are pros and cons to both, so it's a conversation worth having. I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] article feedback tool, do the links really point where they should to?
when looking at an article, a little improve this page popped up at the bottom. can it be that some of the links are misguided? learn how to edit does not link to the learn how to edit page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing). but it links on a page telling how to navigate around, how to create an account, and how to edit. the learn how to edit page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing does not contain a short reason or wizard to create an account. the help icon ? pops up a little window saying wikipedia wants to know what you think. on this little pop up there is a link learn more (about wikipedia wants to know what you think obviously?) which then links to a help page showing on top an image (png) where one should enter the feedback. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5/Help) then i tried to type in feedback into that image - which finally made me write this mail :) rupert. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?
On 1 May 2012 17:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 May 2012 22:11, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that it is likely they'll need some kind of support. The type of support they will need is mostly dependent on what their scope and responsibilities are, though. This is very much cart-before-the-horse in my mind, kind of like hiring the cafeteria staff before you decide whether or not you're going to have a cafeteria. All Sue has done so far is ask for some information in order to inform a discussion. We're a long way from actually appointing any clerks. Yes, which is why I provided the information about the roles of the English Wikipedia clerks. Having said that, the FDC Advisory Committee is having its first meeting today, according to the Meta page (I note that the names of the Board members and outside members aren't included on the list yet). I'm just making it clear from my perspective that I find it concerning that there are discussions about the infrastructure to support the FDC when we are at the very beginning of the discussion about what the FDC should actually be doing, and that there are some considerably more disparate views about what they will do than meets the eye. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] article feedback tool, do the links really point where they should to?
On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 11:28 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: when looking at an article, a little improve this page popped up at the bottom. can it be that some of the links are misguided? learn how to edit does not link to the learn how to edit page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing). but it links on a page telling how to navigate around, how to create an account, and how to edit. the learn how to edit page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Editing does not contain a short reason or wizard to create an account. the help icon ? pops up a little window saying wikipedia wants to know what you think. on this little pop up there is a link learn more (about wikipedia wants to know what you think obviously?) which then links to a help page showing on top an image (png) where one should enter the feedback. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_Feedback_Tool/Version_5/Help) then i tried to type in feedback into that image - which finally made me write this mail :) and - if you really press edit - one ends up at an article saying: This article has a long history of vandalism. Please note that such disruption will be met with blocks from editing. Please report vandalism on this article to the administrator's vandalism noticeboard. This article uses British English and spellings such as artefacts should not be changed to American English spellings such as artifacts. Thank you. Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need any help getting started with editing, see the New contributors' help page. rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Have to say that the last several office hours (of varying nature) have all been during business/school hours in the Americas - and in some cases for (western) Europe/Africa as well - and the ones on the current schedule are all pretty much in the middle of business hours for these regions. When so many office hours are occurring within the same narrow time window, it really limits the potential participation group to the same people all the time, and risks becoming a walled garden. Please consider a more diverse window for office hours in the future. And no, I don't expect that every office hour be during a time that I'm available, but there's only been one (out of fifteen) that occurred during the period where Wikimedians are most active. Risker/Anne That's a good point (that I think has been made and partially addressed in the past), and I don't to detract from it at all, but let's also note the difficulty of scheduling off-hours office hours for WMF staff members - they participate during their own work day, which for US-based staff of course means business hours in the Americas range. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder
On 5/2/2012 10:25 AM, Nathan wrote: On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Riskerrisker...@gmail.com wrote: Have to say that the last several office hours (of varying nature) have all been during business/school hours in the Americas - and in some cases for (western) Europe/Africa as well - and the ones on the current schedule are all pretty much in the middle of business hours for these regions. When so many office hours are occurring within the same narrow time window, it really limits the potential participation group to the same people all the time, and risks becoming a walled garden. Please consider a more diverse window for office hours in the future. And no, I don't expect that every office hour be during a time that I'm available, but there's only been one (out of fifteen) that occurred during the period where Wikimedians are most active. That's a good point (that I think has been made and partially addressed in the past), and I don't to detract from it at all, but let's also note the difficulty of scheduling off-hours office hours for WMF staff members - they participate during their own work day, which for US-based staff of course means business hours in the Americas range. Also a good point. That being said, as I understand it the office staff are generally allowed a fairly flexible schedule, rather than being locked into specific hours like a 9-to-5 workday. So I'd consider it a generous gesture if some of them would occasionally use that flexibility to arrange for IRC office hours to take place in other time windows. --Michael Snow ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours reminder
On 2 May 2012 10:10, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Have to say that the last several office hours (of varying nature) have all been during business/school hours in the Americas - and in some cases for (western) Europe/Africa as well - and the ones on the current schedule are all pretty much in the middle of business hours for these regions. When so many office hours are occurring within the same narrow time window, it really limits the potential participation group to the same people all the time, and risks becoming a walled garden. Please consider a more diverse window for office hours in the future. And no, I don't expect that every office hour be during a time that I'm available, but there's only been one (out of fifteen) that occurred during the period where Wikimedians are most active. People can help by filling out this Doodle. If a sufficiently-geographically-representative group fills this out, that will help us standardize on a few times that (among them) would work for a large majority. Please share the link on IRC or wherever if you like, to encourage broad-enough participation :-) http://doodle.com/hnivrcvz3t5sf2gf Thanks, Sue ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: monthly report April 2012
Dear all, Wikimedia Deutschland's monthly report for April 2012 comes to you with greetings from Germany's most important web conference. There is no en.wp article about the re:publica (yet), so I'll link you to the German article[1]. The re:publica 2012 takes place in Berlin, May 2-4. 270 speakers from more than 30 countries will address an audience of 4,000 bloggers, politicians and media people. Wikimedia Deutschland is taking our core goals to this years re:publica. In a dozen sessions at our own event booth we tell people about free knowledge, free licenses, why Wikipedia needs more (female) editors, and many more topics from participation to usability and quality. Among other things, Wikidata is of course one of the most prolific subjects regarding media coverage. A Wikimedia recap of the event will certainly be part our next monthly report. For now rest assured that the April report[2][3] holds its own ;-) Go to Meta and learn about why we're posting a Wikipedian in Residence job description and who was hired recently to support GLAM activities. Find out about Wikidata's first month and what accounts for Wikimedia Deutschland's upcoming surge of chapter members. No more spoilers. [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re:publica [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Deutschland/April_2012 [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports Kind regards Michael -- Michael Jahn PR / Öffentlichkeitsarbeit Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstraße 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de http://www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch freien Zugang zu der Gesamtheit des Wissens der Menschheit hat. Helfen Sie uns dabei! *Helfen Sie mit, dass WIKIPEDIA von der UNESCO als erstes digitales Weltkulturerbe anerkannt wird. Unterzeichnen Sie die Online-Petition:* http://wikipedia.de/wke/Main_Page?setlang=de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
Congratulations to the winning bid ! Its amazing to see all the hard work all the cities put in their bids! And a thanks to James and all the jury members for once again going through an intensive process to reach a decision! Jan-Bart On 3 mei 2012, at 01:52, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote: On behalf of the Wikimania 2013[0] selection Jury[1], I can announce that we have awarded the conference to Hong Kong. Congratulations to the bidding team, and to the London team who also did a particularly excellent job. There were five official bids: Bristol, Naples and Surakarta, as well as the two finalists of Hong Kong and London[2]. The Jury and the bidding teams discussed them in three public IRC meetings in April. We determined that Hong Kong and London were the strongest contenders, and decided to focus on these two as the finalists. After further e-mail enquiries, and considering evaluation by Wikimedia Foundation staff, a final, private meeting was held to reach a final decision. The Jury was pleased by the high quality in both the final bids, and required over three hours' discussion to reach the final verdict. We considered each bid according to the criteria[3], focussing on following factors: Venue, Program, Geo-location Logistics, Local Opportunities, Accommodations, Team Chapter, and Budget Finances. We found consensus that the Hong Kong bid was the stronger, especially because of their strong advance planning; solid support by the local Wikimedia Chapter, the community, local government, and a partner organisation that is experienced in planning conferences; and their good combination of venue and accommodation. The Jury has confidence that the Hong Kong bidding team will pull off a magnificent Wikimania, and we are pleased for our global community to return to Asia once again. With a motivated group of volunteers who have experience in organizing smaller Wikimedia activities, and a partner with experience in organizing larger-scale events, they have found a good mix to create a successful conference. The Jury did also identify some weaker points in each the bids, and will be happy to share those privately with the teams so that the Hong Kong team can use that to their advantage in organizing Wikimania 2013, and the other teams can use the feedback to improve their bids for a future year. We thank all candidate teams - the process is gruelling and requires a very substantial time investment. They are all to be commended for their submissions. To use this soap-box for a moment, as Moderator I would like to remind the community that we hope that this time was the last that we use this ad-hoc process to decide on the Wikimania venue, and encourage everyone to engage with the discussion on Meta[4] about how we might select Wikimania 2014 and beyond in a more open, community-led way. Please, do join in the discussions. Yours, James Forrester Moderator, Wikimania 2013 Jury For the Wikimania 2013 Jury [0] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013 [1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_jury [2] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids [3] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_judging_criteria [4] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Advisory_Group -- James D. Forrester jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:52 PM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.com wrote: To use this soap-box for a moment, as Moderator I would like to remind the community that we hope that this time was the last that we use this ad-hoc process to decide on the Wikimania venue, and encourage everyone to engage with the discussion on Meta[4] about how we might select Wikimania 2014 and beyond in a more open, community-led way. Please, do join in the discussions. [4] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Advisory_Group A standing community group that helps guide wikimania bids would be wonderful. Let's make it happen! Are any of ths year's jurors interested in being involved over the coming months in that sort of work? SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the Wikimedia blog team on May 9
The team behind https://blog.wikimedia.org/ will hold its first IRC Office hours on Wednesday, May 9th at 18:00 UTC. We invite everyone who wants to discuss ideas for future posts highlighting interesting aspects of the community's work (e.g. some of the recent innovations in the sister projects, or some of the great organizing around events by Chapters and other individuals). We also want to hear your questions about the blog's publishing process or feedback you have for us from the readers' perpective. Office hours are held in #wikimedia-office on the freenode IRC network. More details, time conversions and logs of past office hours can be found at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
Hahaha, right in the Brazilian independence day ;P
I am thinking in something really big.
Something like ''Wikimedia Commons, showing the world with free media''.
And, the best Common's images of all times, in a global scope (like, each
one of every nice place of our planet).
Good luck. {{support}}
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.comwrote:
The voting could be carried out with the global event. Vote eligibility
could be participating in the events for example.
Of course not every country will have an event so not sure if this approach
is a good one.
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2012/4/18 Tadija Mileti? atnimn...@hotmail.com
Hmm, and maybe something where we can invite more people to Wikipedia?
Billboards with :
Join decade of knowledge. Participate! Write new article!
Or something similar. I am also against POT-DEC, poor thing for big
global
event such as this.
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*Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th
anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
Why not a world wide Wikitakes or a Photowalk day that way everyone
everywhere can participate in it, no need for big off Commons
organisation
2012/4/18 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
I do not think we want to select POT-DEC (lets not call it POTD which is
something else :) ) from older POTYs since we don't have a large number
to
choose from. Also, it would be very boring to re-nominate the same
winner
again. If anything existing POTY winners perhaps should be disqualified
for
this reason.
I am not too sure about the procedure would be best to be honest. I hope
this discussion would determine that very aspect. :)
US GLAM is appealing but we do want something global. Certainly US GLAM
partnerships should be part of it but they should not be all of it.
WikiLoves Monuments was a good precursor to this kind of activity.
Perhaps
a kind of lessons learned assessment may be useful while working on
this.
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 07:31, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs
wrote:
2012/4/17 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com:
We already have POTY as an annual event so perhaps a decade
event could
be something interesting to consider.
The obvious: select POTD from all the POTYs :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
Awesome!!! Congratulations! Hope to be there. On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:52 PM, James Forrester jdforres...@gmail.comwrote: On behalf of the Wikimania 2013[0] selection Jury[1], I can announce that we have awarded the conference to Hong Kong. Congratulations to the bidding team, and to the London team who also did a particularly excellent job. There were five official bids: Bristol, Naples and Surakarta, as well as the two finalists of Hong Kong and London[2]. The Jury and the bidding teams discussed them in three public IRC meetings in April. We determined that Hong Kong and London were the strongest contenders, and decided to focus on these two as the finalists. After further e-mail enquiries, and considering evaluation by Wikimedia Foundation staff, a final, private meeting was held to reach a final decision. The Jury was pleased by the high quality in both the final bids, and required over three hours' discussion to reach the final verdict. We considered each bid according to the criteria[3], focussing on following factors: Venue, Program, Geo-location Logistics, Local Opportunities, Accommodations, Team Chapter, and Budget Finances. We found consensus that the Hong Kong bid was the stronger, especially because of their strong advance planning; solid support by the local Wikimedia Chapter, the community, local government, and a partner organisation that is experienced in planning conferences; and their good combination of venue and accommodation. The Jury has confidence that the Hong Kong bidding team will pull off a magnificent Wikimania, and we are pleased for our global community to return to Asia once again. With a motivated group of volunteers who have experience in organizing smaller Wikimedia activities, and a partner with experience in organizing larger-scale events, they have found a good mix to create a successful conference. The Jury did also identify some weaker points in each the bids, and will be happy to share those privately with the teams so that the Hong Kong team can use that to their advantage in organizing Wikimania 2013, and the other teams can use the feedback to improve their bids for a future year. We thank all candidate teams - the process is gruelling and requires a very substantial time investment. They are all to be commended for their submissions. To use this soap-box for a moment, as Moderator I would like to remind the community that we hope that this time was the last that we use this ad-hoc process to decide on the Wikimania venue, and encourage everyone to engage with the discussion on Meta[4] about how we might select Wikimania 2014 and beyond in a more open, community-led way. Please, do join in the discussions. Yours, James Forrester Moderator, Wikimania 2013 Jury For the Wikimania 2013 Jury [0] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013 [1] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_jury [2] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_bids [3] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2013_judging_criteria [4] - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_Advisory_Group -- James D. Forrester jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] ___ Wikimania-l mailing list wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l -- _ *M*ateus*N*obre Free knowledge, free software, free culture, open data. *Freedom, acessibility, autonomy, openess, independence, transparency. That's our way.* *And yours?* +55 (84) 8896 - 1628 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
Congratulation Hong Kong! I'll be there. :) -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
On May 1, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Richard, you removed some relevant language: Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, *you may not engage in such activities on our sites*. These activities include: [..] Using the services in a manner that is inconsistent with applicable law. I think that expecting the ToS to condone violations of laws that are in some way anti-freedom is unrealistic. It seems like it would be difficult to craft language to do that well. ~Nathan Would you like an opportunity to phrase that language in a sense that does not suggest Wikimedia is in support of laws that are anti-freedom? -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] It seems to be that the point of this section is that WMF does not condone users to use the sites in a fashion which breaks their local laws; therefore WMF itself may not be procesuted for conspiracy nor will WMF be liable civilly to users who were prosecuted locally and wish to recieve compensation. If the WMF did not disavow an intention to promote locally illegal things (like Germans printing Swatika images found on Commons), they would be open to liability that would result money going to lawyers. Really very, very few countries have a right to free speech as strong as the US, including countries were WMF actually has significant assets. China is not the issue here. Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. BirgitteSB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in other parts of the Terms of use which apply to /users/ (not their contributions) the USA laws where they're more restrictive. The whole section Refraining from Certain Activities has this problem, which is very hard to avoid given that nobody really knows what the applicable law is. There was a lot of work on this part as well, I'm not able to judge the results. Both problems originate from the decision to enforce via a private contract the state laws (privatization of justice or statement of the obvious? I don't know). The old ToU left everything implicit (or were reticent, depending on how you see it). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
[This essay was rudely rejected by the gatekeepers at Signpost calling it irrelevant but not explaining why. Could someone please suggest where I might submit this for a fair hearing by the WMF community?] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia) By Carmen Yarrusso Carmen Yarrusso, a software engineer for 35 years, designed and modified computer operating systems (including Internet software). He has a BS in physics and studied game theory and formal logic during his years with the math department at Brookhaven National Lab. He lives in New Hampshire and often writes about uncomfortable truths. Nobody can deny WMF has done a great service to humanity. Wikimedians and especially Wikipedians around the world deserve our utmost respect and gratitude for their outstanding efforts. But there's a political zeitgeist in the air that began with the Arab Spring that WMF can and should be part of. The WMF should stop pretending it's politically neutral (NPOV). The declared philosophy of the movement (see Movement roles/charter) expresses a clear political POV. There's lots of implied politics in trying to imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. WMF was part of an amicus brief in the past. There's been chapter and community political activism, including the recent Italian Wikipedia shutdown. The recent Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) forced WMF to take a clear political stance. WMF even helped organize an Internet Censorship Day: http://americancensorship.org/ , urging people to lobby Congress and petition the US state department against SOPA. That's political POV! But expressing POV on Internet censorship or expressing a commitment to free access to knowledge, transparency, openness, independence, quality, and privacy is fundamentally different than expressing POV in an encyclopedia article. The very essence of political knowledge is understanding and critically evaluating conflicting POV. Considering the present state and direction of our world, which is largely controlled by politics, isn't it time for the world's largest free knowledge resource to openly acknowledge that free political knowledge is at least as important to humanity as free encyclopedic knowledge? Isn't reliable knowledge about what our respective governments are doing in our names at least as important to our well being as reliable knowledge about the Brooklyn Bridge or the French Revolution? Encyclopedic knowledge becomes rather moot if we destroy our planet earth. Currently there's no comprehensive source of reliable political knowledge. Deceptive 30-second political ads on TV are certainly not a source of reliable political knowledge. Blathering TV pundits are not a source of reliable political knowledge. Even our mainstream media are not a source of reliable political knowledge. On the contrary, they often provide specious propaganda disguised as reliable political knowledge because their revenue is deeply dependent on special interest money. Though the Internet provides many sources of reliable political knowledge, it's spread out (hit or miss) and very difficult to assemble into a coherent body of knowledge on any given political issue. Thanks to WMF and the power of the Internet, countless millions of people around the world have access to a free source of vast, reliable encyclopedic knowledge. But these same countless millions have no source of reliable political knowledge, the kind of knowledge they need to critically evaluate the policies and actions of their government representatives. Why not? You Wikipedians have the power to change the downward spiral of the planet and to radically change the course of history by providing a free source of reliable political knowledge. By trying to maintain a staunch NPOV policy with no exceptions, the WMF has been throwing out the baby with the bath water. The WMF already has the infrastructure and the vast resources needed to provide the world with a free source of reliable political knowledge if it could get over this misplaced NPOV mindset and realize that political knowledge can be provided in a neutral manner where the WMF facilitates (necessarily POV) political knowledge without imposing its own political POV. How a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia) might work This idea is described in more detail under Proposals for new projects (see WikiArguments: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiArguments). Here are the basics of how a political knowledge Wikipedia would work as opposed to the present encyclopedic knowledge Wikipedia: For articles in the encyclopedic Wikipedia, NPOV makes perfect sense. But for articles in a political Wikipedia, POV
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated Terms of Use
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: birgitte...@yahoo.com, 03/05/2012 14:17: Encouraging people outside the US to live as though they live inside it, is neither wise nor ethical. On the other hand, this is what happens (o could have happened) in other parts of the Terms of use which apply to /users/ (not their contributions) the USA laws where they're more restrictive. The whole section Refraining from Certain Activities has this problem, which is very hard to avoid given that nobody really knows what the applicable law is. There was a lot of work on this part as well, I'm not able to judge the results. Both problems originate from the decision to enforce via a private contract the state laws (privatization of justice or statement of the obvious? I don't know). The old ToU left everything implicit (or were reticent, depending on how you see it). Nemo It only makes sense to be somewhat explicit about the laws that apply, since they apply regardless of their presence in the ToU. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
As a fictional example, let's suppose some members of Congress propose legislation to build a new Brooklyn Bridge. Under the subject: HR 999 Proposal to build a new Brooklyn Bridge, there would be one pro and one con argument edited only by members of Congress and one pro and one con argument edited by the general public. Why would political knowledge need to presented with a POV? That merely encourages confirmation bias. Dividing viewpoints into two different strands doesn't sound much like informing, it sounds rather a lot like providing a platform for soapboxing :) Tom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
As I understand it, part of the problem is that there are very strict rules on what the WMF can do as part of lobbying in the US. Under Section 501(c)(3), nonprofits are not allowed to use a substantial part of their spending on lobbying - meaning no more than 5% of the WMF's income can be spent on political lobbying. I'm not sure if this would fall under political lobbying, but it's rather close! It's also already done rather well by people like http://www.factcheck.org/. Let's not forget, as well, that what you're suggesting is very US-centric. Not all arguments are yes/no - well, technically all votes are, but there are also abstentions, and there are those who vote because it's the party line. There's also a few parts of the world where democracy is not considered a good system - this project wouldn't really help them. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk On 3 May 2012 15:00, Carmen yarru...@charter.net wrote: [This essay was rudely rejected by the gatekeepers at Signpost calling it irrelevant but not explaining why. Could someone please suggest where I might submit this for a fair hearing by the WMF community?] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia) By Carmen Yarrusso Carmen Yarrusso, a software engineer for 35 years, designed and modified computer operating systems (including Internet software). He has a BS in physics and studied game theory and formal logic during his years with the math department at Brookhaven National Lab. He lives in New Hampshire and often writes about uncomfortable truths. Nobody can deny WMF has done a great service to humanity. Wikimedians and especially Wikipedians around the world deserve our utmost respect and gratitude for their outstanding efforts. But there's a political zeitgeist in the air that began with the Arab Spring that WMF can and should be part of. The WMF should stop pretending it's politically neutral (NPOV). The declared philosophy of the movement (see Movement roles/charter) expresses a clear political POV. There's lots of implied politics in trying to imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. WMF was part of an amicus brief in the past. There's been chapter and community political activism, including the recent Italian Wikipedia shutdown. The recent Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) forced WMF to take a clear political stance. WMF even helped organize an Internet Censorship Day: http://americancensorship.org/ , urging people to lobby Congress and petition the US state department against SOPA. That's political POV! But expressing POV on Internet censorship or expressing a commitment to free access to knowledge, transparency, openness, independence, quality, and privacy is fundamentally different than expressing POV in an encyclopedia article. The very essence of political knowledge is understanding and critically evaluating conflicting POV. Considering the present state and direction of our world, which is largely controlled by politics, isn't it time for the world's largest free knowledge resource to openly acknowledge that free political knowledge is at least as important to humanity as free encyclopedic knowledge? Isn't reliable knowledge about what our respective governments are doing in our names at least as important to our well being as reliable knowledge about the Brooklyn Bridge or the French Revolution? Encyclopedic knowledge becomes rather moot if we destroy our planet earth. Currently there's no comprehensive source of reliable political knowledge. Deceptive 30-second political ads on TV are certainly not a source of reliable political knowledge. Blathering TV pundits are not a source of reliable political knowledge. Even our mainstream media are not a source of reliable political knowledge. On the contrary, they often provide specious propaganda disguised as reliable political knowledge because their revenue is deeply dependent on special interest money. Though the Internet provides many sources of reliable political knowledge, it's spread out (hit or miss) and very difficult to assemble into a coherent body of knowledge on any given political issue. Thanks to WMF and the power of the Internet, countless millions of people around the world have access to a free source of vast, reliable encyclopedic knowledge. But these same countless millions have no source of reliable political knowledge, the kind of knowledge they need to critically evaluate the policies and actions of their government representatives. Why not? You Wikipedians have the power to change the downward spiral of the
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
So we will have a full-scale military parade celebrating commons in Brazil?
Nice!
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On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Mateus Nobre mateusfno...@gmail.com wrote:
Hahaha, right in the Brazilian independence day ;P
I am thinking in something really big.
Something like ''Wikimedia Commons, showing the world with free media''.
And, the best Common's images of all times, in a global scope (like, each
one of every nice place of our planet).
Good luck. {{support}}
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
wrote:
The voting could be carried out with the global event. Vote eligibility
could be participating in the events for example.
Of course not every country will have an event so not sure if this
approach
is a good one.
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
2012/4/18 Tadija Mileti? atnimn...@hotmail.com
Hmm, and maybe something where we can invite more people to
Wikipedia?
Billboards with :
Join decade of knowledge. Participate! Write new article!
Or something similar. I am also against POT-DEC, poor thing for big
global
event such as this.
--WhiteWriter
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*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:45 AM
*To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List common...@lists.wikimedia.org
*Cc:* smole...@eunet.rs ; Wikimedia Mailing List
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th
anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
Why not a world wide Wikitakes or a Photowalk day that way everyone
everywhere can participate in it, no need for big off Commons
organisation
2012/4/18 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
I do not think we want to select POT-DEC (lets not call it POTD which
is
something else :) ) from older POTYs since we don't have a large
number
to
choose from. Also, it would be very boring to re-nominate the same
winner
again. If anything existing POTY winners perhaps should be
disqualified
for
this reason.
I am not too sure about the procedure would be best to be honest. I
hope
this discussion would determine that very aspect. :)
US GLAM is appealing but we do want something global. Certainly US
GLAM
partnerships should be part of it but they should not be all of it.
WikiLoves Monuments was a good precursor to this kind of activity.
Perhaps
a kind of lessons learned assessment may be useful while working on
this.
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 07:31, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs
wrote:
2012/4/17 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com:
We already have POTY as an annual event so perhaps a decade
event could
be something interesting to consider.
The obvious: select POTD from all the POTYs :)
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With all the rifles and stuff! :P
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote:
So we will have a full-scale military parade celebrating commons in Brazil?
Nice!
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Mateus Nobre mateusfno...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hahaha, right in the Brazilian independence day ;P
I am thinking in something really big.
Something like ''Wikimedia Commons, showing the world with free media''.
And, the best Common's images of all times, in a global scope (like, each
one of every nice place of our planet).
Good luck. {{support}}
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
wrote:
The voting could be carried out with the global event. Vote eligibility
could be participating in the events for example.
Of course not every country will have an event so not sure if this
approach
is a good one.
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
2012/4/18 Tadija Mileti? atnimn...@hotmail.com
Hmm, and maybe something where we can invite more people to
Wikipedia?
Billboards with :
Join decade of knowledge. Participate! Write new article!
Or something similar. I am also against POT-DEC, poor thing for big
global
event such as this.
--WhiteWriter
*From:* Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:45 AM
*To:* Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
common...@lists.wikimedia.org
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*Subject:* Re: [Commons-l] [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-POTY-l] 10th
anniversary of Wikimedia Commons
Why not a world wide Wikitakes or a Photowalk day that way everyone
everywhere can participate in it, no need for big off Commons
organisation
2012/4/18 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com
I do not think we want to select POT-DEC (lets not call it POTD
which
is
something else :) ) from older POTYs since we don't have a large
number
to
choose from. Also, it would be very boring to re-nominate the same
winner
again. If anything existing POTY winners perhaps should be
disqualified
for
this reason.
I am not too sure about the procedure would be best to be honest. I
hope
this discussion would determine that very aspect. :)
US GLAM is appealing but we do want something global. Certainly US
GLAM
partnerships should be part of it but they should not be all of it.
WikiLoves Monuments was a good precursor to this kind of activity.
Perhaps
a kind of lessons learned assessment may be useful while working
on
this.
-- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 07:31, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs
wrote:
2012/4/17 とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com:
We already have POTY as an annual event so perhaps a decade
event could
be something interesting to consider.
The obvious: select POTD from all the POTYs :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Selection of winning bid for Wikimania 2013: Hong Kong
Congratulations to our brothers of Hong Kong. Hope to have a nice Wikimania 2013! There's other *amigos* who want to have to all in their country in a Wikimania 2016 XD 2012/5/3 Jeromy-Yu Chan (Jerry~Yuyu) jerry.tschan...@gmail.com Halo Everyone Thank you for your congratulations, we honored that we are awarded to host the 9th global Wikimedia Conference. our team will work as best as we can, to facilitate such conference, and meet your expectations. and we are lOOking forward to seeing you here in Hong Kong, and hope you will enjoy the conference! on behalf of Local Team, Wikimania 2013 -- Jeromy-Yu Chan, Jerry http://yuyu.be/txt http://about.me/jeromyu UID: Jeromyu (on Facebook, Twitter, Plurk most sites) Tel (Mobile): +852 9279 1601 Οὔτε τι τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων ἄξιον ὂν μεγάλης σπουδῆς ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- *Atentamente: Iván Martínez Coordinador General Wikimedia México mx.wikimedia.org Imagina un mundo en donde cada persona del planeta pueda tener acceso libre a la suma total del conocimiento humano. Eso es lo que estamos haciendo http://es.wikipedia.org. * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] MathJax comes to Wikipedia
Am 03.05.2012 18:49, schrieb Erik Moeller: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org wrote: MathJax [1] is now enabled site-wide as an opt-in preference. You can now see beautifully rendered, accessible, copypasteable and standard-compliant (MathML) formulas on Wikipedia, replacing the old TeX-rendered PNGs. Thanks Dario. There are definitely still bugs in this experimental rendering mode, so please report issues in Bugzilla against the Math component: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensionscomponent=Math More here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math/MathJax_testing First try, first bug. ^^ https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36485 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia UK and British Library unveil latest Wikipedian in Residence
Hi everyone, Thought I'd drop you a line to let you know that our latest blog post is up. It's announcing that Andrew Gray is Wikimedia UK's latest Wikipedian in Residence. He'll be working from the British Library in London. You can read the post at http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/wikimedia-uk-and-british-library-unveil-latest-wikipedian-in-residence/ I hope you enjoy it! Stevie -- Stevie Benton Communications Organiser Wikimedia UK +44 (0) 20 7065 0993 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Carmen yarru...@charter.net wrote: For example, in the encyclopedic Wikipedia, there's one article called Brooklyn Bridge... Actually, I've just considered this a bit longer (for my sins). It occurs to me that perhaps you're not looking at big issues (like abortion) but you perhaps mean something that would invigorate local politics? You did give the example of building a bridge after all. I suppose that would be an innovation: a wiki that covers political issues that would be considered non-notable on Wikipedia. The trouble you're going to have then, though, is participation. How many people are going to want to join together to create a few pages detailing the decision to stop the 34B bus service? Bodnotbod ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage
What: Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage When: Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC Time zone conversion: http://hexm.de/ir Where: #mediawiki-i18n on freenode Use http://webchat.freenode.net/ if you don't have an IRC client You are invited to a bug triage on Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation Localisation team. This will be a one hour meeting. The intended audience is very broad: translators, translation administrators, and developers. We will discuss the current state of translation tools on Meta-Wiki and mediawiki.org, and with your input we will try to map out which features and issues will be most helpful to streamline the translation process for things like documentation, policies, sitenotices, fundraiser messaging and appeals, and other non-primary project content* material that benefits from being available in as many languages as possible. Please forward this e-mail to anyone who may be interested. They are most welcome to join in. * Translating main namespace articles for Wikipedia and other projects is still out of scope for now. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Sverige hires Project manager for GLAM and outreach projects
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: Axel Pettersson (User:Haxpett), who has been the press contact for the Swedish Wikipedia and also on the board of Wikimedia Sverige will work full time from Monday. Axel, who has studied computer science and leaves the role as a project manager for radio networks, has for some time already been doing volunteer work in the GLAM sector for the chapter. Please join me in extending a warm welcome to him! Congratulations Axel! While the office managers and other positions that some chapters are choosing for their first hire are quite necessary, I think it's exceptionally good to see a chapter focusing on outreach work in its professional development. Sounds like we'll see lots more cool projects coming out of Wikimedia Sverige soon. :) -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
[Wikimedia-l] What were the most important news in the Wikimedia movement last month?
Hi all, we are about to prepare the April issue of the monthly Wikimedia Highlights (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights ), which as usual combines a few of the most notable aspects of the Wikimedia Foundation report and the Wikimedia engineering report with a brief selection of other important events in the Wikimedia movement. For the latter part, suggestions are welcome at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Highlights#Movement_news_items_for_April_2012 until this Saturday, as are comments on the existing suggestions: *Israel edit-a-thon *Oregon Archives mass upload *Monmouthpedia Charles Rolls Challenge concluded *CCCB workshop *Wikipedians in Residence updates? *Tamil contest *HighBeam collaboration A main purpose of the format is to reach those Wikimedians who don't follow international movement news regularly (for example, don't read this mailing list), in particular for language reasons. All items are kept brief and limited in number - in the movement news section to three to five - so as to facilitate translations and avoid TLDR. The Highlights are regularly translated into up to 12 languages, the last edition into Russian, Dutch, Macedonian, Italian, French, Arabic and Danish. -- Tilman Bayer Movement Communications Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Carmen yarru...@charter.net wrote: The WMF should stop pretending it's politically neutral (NPOV). +1 -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Carmen yarru...@charter.net wrote: For example, in the encyclopedic Wikipedia, there's one article called Brooklyn Bridge... Actually, I've just considered this a bit longer (for my sins). It occurs to me that perhaps you're not looking at big issues (like abortion) but you perhaps mean something that would invigorate local politics? You did give the example of building a bridge after all. I suppose that would be an innovation: a wiki that covers political issues that would be considered non-notable on Wikipedia. The trouble you're going to have then, though, is participation. How many people are going to want to join together to create a few pages detailing the decision to stop the 34B bus service? Bodnotbod This would be a fantastic part of a locally-focused wiki, however. Taking the example of the Davis city wiki (http://daviswiki.org), local politics gets covered there all the time, with heated arguments taking place in the comments! So I suspect the solution for coverage of local issues is to embed them in context, which is more helpful anyway (when you have a site that describes the bridge, the body of water, the city, and the local politicians AS WELL as controversies around any of the above). In other words: all politics is rooted in community; some communities are bigger than others. As for the project proposal, I'd work on clarifying how you expect the wiki aspect to work specifically; it seems like this would be particularly hard to maintain. I suspect any system that limits itself to edits from a small group of people as you seem to propose doing wouldn't work very well. Additionally, I believe there have been a few stabs at similar projects from other groups that you might look at; Andrew Lih's idea for collective news annotation comes to mind, as do others. (As for the Signpost -- publishing full essays in support of project proposals is a bit much, but doing brief writeups of new project proposals on a regular basis in the Signpost seems like a good idea!) best, Phoebe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Google Calendar for IRC office hours
Come on, Michael, do you know a better solution? If there's no open source solution, Google Calender is the easiest way to fulfill the needs. Cornelius On 5 May 2012 02:09, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: You cannot be serious. A google calendar for this? Fail. Completely. Please let us know when there is an open source, freely licensed, community edited calendar available. Y'know, a solution that follows Wikimedia's main principles? Mike On 5 May 2012, at 00:30, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, Per a great suggestion from Jan-Bart, I have created a public Google Calendar that anyone can subscribe to for IRC office hours: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_office_hoursdiff=3714509oldid=3714468 If this isn't working for anyone, let me know offlist. Thanks! -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Google Calendar for IRC office hours
It's already on one, the wiki itself ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours ) , but this is another option that people requested. I don't see that as bad at all, to the contrary it should be applauded. James On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: You cannot be serious. A google calendar for this? Fail. Completely. Please let us know when there is an open source, freely licensed, community edited calendar available. Y'know, a solution that follows Wikimedia's main principles? Mike On 5 May 2012, at 00:30, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, Per a great suggestion from Jan-Bart, I have created a public Google Calendar that anyone can subscribe to for IRC office hours: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=IRC_office_hoursdiff=3714509oldid=3714468 If this isn't working for anyone, let me know offlist. Thanks! -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Google Calendar for IRC office hours
I cannot subscribe in Google Calendar because it says robots.txt does not allow crawling. Don On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Hi all, I've incorporated the hcalendar microformat into the office hours template, and http://h2vx.com/ics/ provides an open source solution (based on http://microformats.org/wiki/x2v) for converting hcalendar microformats into iCal files. You can download the ical from: http://h2vx.com/ics/https%3A//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours or subscribe to it at: webcal://h2vx.com/ics/https%3A//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours All open source, no duplication of data or increased maintenance costs. The only downside is that the template call is a bit more complex now, particularly because an end time needed to be specified. Please let me know if anyone encounters any problems with this solution... Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Public Google Calendar for IRC office hours
Ah, fun. I see this is a known problem that Tom Morris pointed out last year: http://microformats.org/wiki/h2vx#robots.txt_prevents_subscription_in_Google_Reader Quite why Google Calendar is misusing robots.txt like this, I don't know... (it's natural to use robots.txt to keep pages from appearing in the google search index, but that shouldn't then also apply in this sort of situation.) I'll see if I can figure out a work-around for subscribing to the calendar, but it'll take me a day or so. In the meantime, you can always download the calendar file and import it into Google Calendar... Thanks, Mike On 5 May 2012, at 20:38, Don Burke wrote: I cannot subscribe in Google Calendar because it says robots.txt does not allow crawling. Don On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote: Hi all, I've incorporated the hcalendar microformat into the office hours template, and http://h2vx.com/ics/ provides an open source solution (based on http://microformats.org/wiki/x2v) for converting hcalendar microformats into iCal files. You can download the ical from: http://h2vx.com/ics/https%3A//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours or subscribe to it at: webcal://h2vx.com/ics/https%3A//meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours All open source, no duplication of data or increased maintenance costs. The only downside is that the template call is a bit more complex now, particularly because an end time needed to be specified. Please let me know if anyone encounters any problems with this solution... Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work
maybe relevant information to some: this is Ascension day - a public holiday, depending on where you live. Lodewijk 2012/5/4 Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org Hi everyone, On May 17th at 16:00 UTC, Kul Wadhwa (Head of Mobile and Business Development) and Amit Kapoor (Senior Manager, Mobile Partnerships) will be in #wikimedia-office to talk about Wikipedia Zero,[1] as well as the other initiatives underway on the mobile team. As usual, details and time conversion links are on Meta.[2] We have scheduled this at a time that we hope works for Wikimedians from Africa and Asia, since it was Abbasjnr's idea to have a mobile office hours. (Thanks Abbas!) 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with Kul and Amit, about Wikipedia Zero and other mobile work
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 5:23 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: maybe relevant information to some: this is Ascension day - a public holiday, depending on where you live. Apologies if that is a conflict for anyone (I was not aware of the holiday). If anyone needs to miss this particular office hours, as always I am happy to ask any questions on your behalf, and they will appear in the log. All you need to do is email me. :) Steven ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with Sue Gardner, 5/11 at 17:00 UTC
Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 20:08:44 -0700 From: Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with Sue Gardner, 5/11 at 17:00 UTC Message-ID: CAGZ0=LPPC=Zw-OOQWgCrTzxvyQCjXRT554B8D7mUgMgZQw=t...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 7 May 2012 11:19, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: As usual, docs are on Meta at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours. Also note that if you have a preference for a better time than morning work hours for us here in San Francisco, there is a poll that Sue started: http://doodle.com/hnivrcvz3t5sf2gf#table So far, by the way, the most-chosen option is Saturdays, 5-7PM UTC. Which may just mean we need more participants living in eastern Asia :-) Thanks, Sue I think this is most likely a chicken-and-egg thing. Have more sessions that aren't in the middle of the night in these timezones (which, by the way, cover more than East Asia), and you'll find more participants from those places. But to do that, they have to sign up, which they don't, because these sessions are usually at horribly inconvenient times for all of us, which could be fixed by having it in the early evening, which won't happen unless people sign up, which won't happen unless people don't think it's a US EU thing, which won't happen unless... *sigh* Cheers, Craig (who is aware that occasionally a session that's somewhat handy for Australia or Asia has been held, but would like to see a lot more of them so that people in this part of the world don't continue to be left out and overlooked) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage
Just a quick reminder. This is about two hours from the time this e-mail was sent. What: Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage When: Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC Time zone conversion: http://hexm.de/ir Where: #mediawiki-i18n on freenode Use http://webchat.freenode.net/ if you don't have an IRC client Notes will (and some preparation of topics) are on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-05. Cheers! Siebrand On Thu, May 3, 2012, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are invited to a bug triage on Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation Localisation team. This will be a one hour meeting. The intended audience is very broad: translators, translation administrators, and developers. We will discuss the current state of translation tools on Meta-Wiki and mediawiki.org, and with your input we will try to map out which features and issues will be most helpful to streamline the translation process for things like documentation, policies, sitenotices, fundraiser messaging and appeals, and other non-primary project content* material that benefits from being available in as many languages as possible. Please forward this e-mail to anyone who may be interested. They are most welcome to join in. * Translating main namespace articles for Wikipedia and other projects is still out of scope for now. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fellowship
Hi Florence I'm sure someone from the staff is going to explain this better later, but I will give it a shot until they do. I fielded questions about this last year, and did some clean-up work on Meta, so I looked up the information about this. I might be wrong on a couple of things, but I will try and explain to the best of my knowledge. Fellows, and their organizational, administrative roles have been fleshed out much better now than they were before. I believe Siko deserves a lot of the credit, along with other staffers. The delineation are becoming more clearer now than they were before. As it stands, there seem to be 2 types of fellows- one is, Research fellows and the other, Community fellows. Research fellows are usually remotely located, who sign on for a limited time and project. Their terms are usually smaller and only for the duration of the project which they sign on for. They are signed on for a specific task or project and supported through it. They are remote contractors, whose purpose is the completion of their research project and WMF supports them through it. Community fellows, which might be more familiar, are usually community members. They are usually located at the WMF office, and usually have one year terms (in majority of the cases). They may or may not have a specific project, or take on more projects during their fellowship. They are usually community resources/representatives at the staff with some familiarity with the staff and inner-workings. The last 3 community fellows incidentally, moved on to staff positions after their terms - Steven, Maryana and James. As far as I know, no past fellow exceeded the one year term. To the best of my knowledge, Community fellows are contractors. They are technically separate from staff, and technically not answerable to a direct superior. Traditionally, fellows are independent of the organization that appoints them. (not sure if that is the same in WMF context) I answered a couple of your questions in-line also. On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello Following a conversation started on another mailing list on the meaning of fellowship, I am forwarding here a question that I hope will be answered by someone (I can not help being curious :)). My original question was I have also been wondering myself what the difference is between a fellow and a staff member. The only difference I could personally figure out is that the fellow is there for a very specific mission and for a fixed amount of time, whilst the staff person may have his role and tasks change over time and is supposingly on unlimited time (until he leaves or get fired). Am I correct in my interpretation or is a fellow something different than what I think it is ? I got the following answers From a communications perspective I have no problem defining what a fellow is, and what they're doing. They are receiving compensation from the Foundation to really focus on the work that they do, but I don't believe would we call them 'staff' of the Foundation, nor contractors. Creative Commons has fellows as well, but I've generally seen them communicating and carrying out work within their research or area of activity focus: https://creativecommons.org/**fellowshttps://creativecommons.org/fellows I do believe in either case a fellow does work on a specific project or initiative for a set period of time. as well as See also https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships#** What_a_Fellow_is.https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships#What_a_Fellow_is... (and the following section, What a Fellow is not...) and In other contexts, one of the important reasons why a fellow might not be considered staff of the organization providing the fellowship is because they would remain on the staff of whatever organization they were affiliated with originally. Somebody at a university who receives a fellowship to pursue research while on sabbatical is still primarily seen as part of the university. (Not that Wikimedia fellowships are designed for purely academic research, but the principle about affiliation applies nevertheless.) Which answers partly to my question indeed. I would be interesting to have not only a communication/management perspective, but also an administrative legal one. Does the fellowship status implies that the WMF pays for health or retirement benefits (as it would for a staff member) or does the fellow receive a lump sum and manages by himself to pay for taxes and benefits depending on the country he lives in (as would a contractor) ? Depends on the type of fellowship. Research fellows don't get other benefits, they are purely contractors. Community fellows are different, the exact nature of benefits was going through a change from what I remember since last year. Since majority of the community fellows have been located in SF, the exact tax and benefit paid,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
Dear all, It has come to the attention of the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong organizing team that there may be confusion over the situation of internet censorship in China and whether it affects Hong Kong. [1] We would like to clarify that, although Hong Kong has been nominally part of the People's Republic of China since 1997, the city-state of Hong Kong retains complete independence over civilian affairs. This, of course, means that internet regulation in Hong Kong is completely separate from that of Mainland China, and therefore internet censorship in Mainland China (the Great Firewall of China, [2]) does not apply to Hong Kong. We would like to reassure all Wikimedians, especially those considering to attend Wikimania 2013, that *Wikipedia has never been censored in Hong Kong*. Visitors to Hong Kong will enjoy, among other things such as exuberant local cuisine and efficient public transport, uncensored internet connection and unhindered access to Wikimedia projects. We hope to see you all at Wikimania 2012 in Washington DC and Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong. With best wishes, Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator Wikimania 2013 organizing team / Wikimedia Hong Kong [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-05-07/News_and_notes [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall (cross-posted to wikimania-l, internal-l and wikimedia-l) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
Hi, Todd and all, I don't think WMF support any regime implicitly which censor the online speech. I am from Mainland China, I hate the censorship, I had did some small steps to against it just as lots of our friends on Chinese Wikipedia. The only thing I want to talk is that small changes are taking place in the country, and the access of Wikimedia projects inside China will help the process. Be confident for the young people here. Regards, Mingli On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: Dear all, It has come to the attention of the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong organizing team that there may be confusion over the situation of internet censorship in China and whether it affects Hong Kong. [1] We would like to clarify that, although Hong Kong has been nominally part of the People's Republic of China since 1997, the city-state of Hong Kong retains complete independence over civilian affairs. This, of course, means that internet regulation in Hong Kong is completely separate from that of Mainland China, and therefore internet censorship in Mainland China (the Great Firewall of China, [2]) does not apply to Hong Kong. We would like to reassure all Wikimedians, especially those considering to attend Wikimania 2013, that *Wikipedia has never been censored in Hong Kong*. Visitors to Hong Kong will enjoy, among other things such as exuberant local cuisine and efficient public transport, uncensored internet connection and unhindered access to Wikimedia projects. We hope to see you all at Wikimania 2012 in Washington DC and Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong. With best wishes, Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator Wikimania 2013 organizing team / Wikimedia Hong Kong [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-05-07/News_and_notes [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall (cross-posted to wikimania-l, internal-l and wikimedia-l) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l It is still disgraceful that WMF, an organization supposedly devoted to free information, is implicitly supporting a regime that routinely and as a matter of policy refuses free information flow to its citizens. Hong Kong in particular may not do that, but Hong Kong is part of China, and China does. China will receive money from this event. Perhaps Google and the like are concerned only with profit and will do business in China regardless of ethical considerations, but WMF is a nonprofit dedicated to the exact opposite of China's policies, and should refuse to provide any monetary support for China until and unless China removes all censorship from its population. The fact that it has failed to do so, and is indeed implicitly supporting China, has me strongly reconsidering both my editorial and monetary support. -- Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
Todd, I'm afraid you've mistaken. Hong Kong is fiscally independent from the rest of China, and not a single cent of the Hong Kong government's income is passed on to the PRC government in Beijing. Deryck On 10 May 2012 22:27, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: Dear all, It has come to the attention of the Wikimania 2013 Hong Kong organizing team that there may be confusion over the situation of internet censorship in China and whether it affects Hong Kong. [1] We would like to clarify that, although Hong Kong has been nominally part of the People's Republic of China since 1997, the city-state of Hong Kong retains complete independence over civilian affairs. This, of course, means that internet regulation in Hong Kong is completely separate from that of Mainland China, and therefore internet censorship in Mainland China (the Great Firewall of China, [2]) does not apply to Hong Kong. We would like to reassure all Wikimedians, especially those considering to attend Wikimania 2013, that *Wikipedia has never been censored in Hong Kong*. Visitors to Hong Kong will enjoy, among other things such as exuberant local cuisine and efficient public transport, uncensored internet connection and unhindered access to Wikimedia projects. We hope to see you all at Wikimania 2012 in Washington DC and Wikimania 2013 in Hong Kong. With best wishes, Deryck Chan Global engagement coordinator Wikimania 2013 organizing team / Wikimedia Hong Kong [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-05-07/News_and_notes [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall (cross-posted to wikimania-l, internal-l and wikimedia-l) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l It is still disgraceful that WMF, an organization supposedly devoted to free information, is implicitly supporting a regime that routinely and as a matter of policy refuses free information flow to its citizens. Hong Kong in particular may not do that, but Hong Kong is part of China, and China does. China will receive money from this event. Perhaps Google and the like are concerned only with profit and will do business in China regardless of ethical considerations, but WMF is a nonprofit dedicated to the exact opposite of China's policies, and should refuse to provide any monetary support for China until and unless China removes all censorship from its population. The fact that it has failed to do so, and is indeed implicitly supporting China, has me strongly reconsidering both my editorial and monetary support. -- Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an implicit political endorsement for the national government of the host city. You could just as easily interpret it in the opposite manner - holding a Wikimania event in Egypt, Israel, China, the U.S. or elsewhere supports knowledge liberalism and draws attention to the mission of the WMF in the areas where it may be most poignant. More likely, the decision of where to hold the event is made independent of political concerns and the WMF, as well as the host Wikimedians, take no political positions implicit or otherwise. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
+1. I totally agree with Nathan. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an implicit political endorsement for the national government of the host city. You could just as easily interpret it in the opposite manner - holding a Wikimania event in Egypt, Israel, China, the U.S. or elsewhere supports knowledge liberalism and draws attention to the mission of the WMF in the areas where it may be most poignant. More likely, the decision of where to hold the event is made independent of political concerns and the WMF, as well as the host Wikimedians, take no political positions implicit or otherwise. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] No internet censorship in Hong Kong
It does, at least at some level, seem to be an argument (usually from different people) every Wikimania. There just isn't a way to have it in a place that everyone is happy with (especially if you want to rotate around the world. I'd also point remind people that among all of the places Wikimania has been it's also been in Taiwan in 07. It has seemed to be much better to do the selection non-politically (while not being shy about who we are and what we believe). James On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: +1. I totally agree with Nathan. On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: This is a similar argument to those made against Egypt or Israel etc. It's a facile and false notion that holding Wikimania in a particular city is an implicit political endorsement for the national government of the host city. You could just as easily interpret it in the opposite manner - holding a Wikimania event in Egypt, Israel, China, the U.S. or elsewhere supports knowledge liberalism and draws attention to the mission of the WMF in the areas where it may be most poignant. More likely, the decision of where to hold the event is made independent of political concerns and the WMF, as well as the host Wikimedians, take no political positions implicit or otherwise. ~Nathan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
