Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. -TC On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction. Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we appreciated User:Nichalp's contributions when they were made. However, when he/she has made mistakes and makes them multiple times, I think this also warrants serious investigation. Pradeep Handheld On 07/02/2012, guptc...@ovi.com guptc...@ovi.com wrote: This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who became obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many editors. He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges - nobody deserved these rights more than him, not even Jimbo. A major change in Nichalp's life came when he came to Australia for higher education. Facing a severe financial crunch, Nichalp decided to use the only extraordinary skill he had - editing Wikipedia - for making money. He put up ads on several freelancer recruiting websites, promising to write articles in oexchange for small amounts of money.[2] These were the days when the PR professionals had started realizing the importance of Wikipedia. There were many takers for Nichalp's services. With his sockpuppet accounts, Nichalp made a number of contributions (many of which stand deleted now). Unfortunately for Nichalp, the Wikizealots live in an idealistic world. They don't realize that, in the long run, editors cannot be expected to devote their time to the project for free.[3] When the Wikihounds came to know about one of Nichalp's paid editing accounts they came after him. Nichalp knew he would be stalked in real life, so he made his main account inactive. Meanwhile, he continued to be active through his other paid editing accounts. A man of foresight, Nichalp started another account in April 2009 to gain back his admin rights.[4] The Wikihounds have an astonishing ability to track the suspicious accounts - they tracked another one of Nichalp's paid editing accouents.[5] The drama prompted the Arbitration Committee to send him an email enquiry about the paid editing concerns. Nichalp's identity was well-known to those who had exposed his paid editing. The personal information that he had posted earlier on his user page and elsewhere on Wikipedia (and social networking sites) had made it easy for Wikihounds to stalk him in real life. Denial was not an option - Nichalp knew the Wikihounds were capable of producing evidence against him. Pleading not guilty would only gather more eyeballs and possibly lead to media attention - that could sabotage his post-college career. Pleading guilty was not an option either - it would lead to the same fate. Nichalp did what he felt was the best option before him. He neither accepted the charge, nor denied it. What happened next was unfortunate for him. Ignoring his 5-year long devotion to the project, the Arbitration Committee took away his bureaucrat, administrator and oversight rights in an unopposed judgment.[6] Realizing that his paid editing accounts may be under survelliance from the Wikihounds, Nichalp abandoned all of them. All of them, except one - the one he had started in April 2009 with the objective of gaining back his admin rights: Wifione. Nichalp carefully crafted his new wiki identity. He devoted this new account to earning money from India's most notorious self-styled management guru. To make sure his paid editing does not appear blatantly obvious, Nichalp (or shall we call him Wifione, now?) engaged in a wide range of edits. Wifione rose up in the wiki-hierarchy and became the administrator. He tried not to appear like a paid editor, but the constant pressure from his client forced him to make constant edits to the pages associated with the client. Anyone looking at his top 50 edits would not fail to notice that much of his work in the article namespace was
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
What is rather odd is that the 'story' is written as a defense of Nichalp/Wifione/Wikifone. Possibly some people may have known him personally and therefore the tone of the article. I find the statement They don't realize that, in the long run, editors cannot be expected to devote their time to the project for free.[3] . Realise? What does that mean? Nobody is forcing anyone to devote any time at all to Wikipedia. What Wikipedia represents is an opportunity (among other, better, things) for people to commit fraudulent acts, but that may be said of almost anything material or even spiritual. If anyone doesn't like it, they are free to relax and do something else that they find more spiritually or materially relevant. And it is not 'they' who don't realise (or do, we the silly naive people), it is 'us'. As for the client, the less said the better. It remains to be seen why the government regulators fail year after year to do anything about this sad situation. So far, the scams do not amount to hundreds of thousands of crores, which at least attracts CAG attention, although the impact on India's societal health may end up being far deeper. Have they ever sued the government or threatened to sue? Have they sued individual government officers? - that is certainly pretty hard to do, much much harder than to sue individual volunteer Wikimedians. People following education issues will have noticed that minority education institutions have soundly protested the provisions of the new Right To Education Act. I feel such actions are partly a response the the pressure that will now be put on privately funded teaching mills. It is a very complex situation, but the nexus between politicians and degree shops/moneymaking rackets is a doleful commentary on India's evolving political landscape. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.comwrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. -TC On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction. Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we appreciated User:Nichalp's contributions when they were made. However, when he/she has made mistakes and makes them multiple times, I think this also warrants serious investigation. Pradeep Handheld On 07/02/2012, guptc...@ovi.com guptc...@ovi.com wrote: This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who became obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many editors. He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges - nobody deserved these rights more than him, not even Jimbo. A major change in Nichalp's life came when he came to Australia for higher education. Facing a severe financial crunch, Nichalp decided to use the only extraordinary skill he had - editing Wikipedia - for making money. He put up ads on several freelancer recruiting websites, promising to write articles in oexchange for small amounts of money.[2] These were the days when the PR professionals had started realizing the importance of Wikipedia. There were many takers for Nichalp's services. With his sockpuppet accounts, Nichalp made a number of contributions (many of which stand deleted now). Unfortunately for Nichalp, the Wikizealots live in an idealistic world. They don't realize that, in the long run, editors cannot be expected to devote their time to the project for free.[3] When the Wikihounds came to know about one of Nichalp's paid editing accounts they came after him. Nichalp knew he would be stalked in real life, so he made his main account inactive. Meanwhile, he continued to be active through his other paid editing accounts. A man of foresight, Nichalp started another account in April 2009 to gain back his admin rights.[4] The Wikihounds have an astonishing ability to track the suspicious accounts - they tracked another one of Nichalp's paid editing accouents.[5] The drama prompted the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
Wifione commented on this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published/authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion) The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or possibly reported to Arb Com. I've alerted Arbcom as a courtesy, however a community assessment is needed in order to determine if there is any credible link to nichalp or any reason for a desysop. -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production. Subha Community Program Support, India Program Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-in-en mailing list wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetup/Coimbatore Aliens invaded Tamil Nadu, left their Spacship and now it is a Toll Plaza. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IVRCL-Vijayamangalam-Toll-Plaza.JPG ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians)
Excellent Suggestion Praveen, +1. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: If this get implemented with enough background check with rigid criteria like credible 300 uploads/3000 edits +1 yr active participation in any indian lang wiki project so as active users can get full advantage, it will be great. Such a criteria will help to keep self proclaimed or self appointed wikipedia enthusiasists away from taking over wikimedians or misusing wikipedia photographer status. On 07/02/2012, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Agree with Srikanth, as I can't join the chapter because I'm underage. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:49:39 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians) I agree with fae about the entire issue. Last week, there was an Academy in Coimbatore at the Amrita University where I was denied entry as my ID card didn't state Wikipedia. For Commons, this may not be of much use. Most Police men chase us away for pulling out a Camera in Public. However, I do not see this reaching non members of the chapter, especially the under age ones like Vibhijain, or others. Re, On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: Further to Theo's suggestion (inline below) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Great suggestion Fae. As Srikanth correctly pointed it out, such an ID would be under the content scope, which neither the chapter or the WMF India operations have any jurisdiction over. I remember a couple of years ago, Wikinews tried this for their active editors, offering to print them 'official reporter' IDs. It was an idea at the time, and I'm not sure if they actually implemented it or not. For photographers, this would be the commons community. This shouldn't be too hard, I suggest someone mentioning the political situation and suggesting this for commons photographers in the VP. The great thing is since, it would be the community who would award it, there is little or no direct liability to an official body. There should however be a contribution record or an endorsement from someone to print these out. One thing the chapter can do however, is offer a special member/photographers ID to the existing members. This could be at a surcharge so they don't undertake any expense- they can print out plastic IDs with photos, and membership detail of the existing members. This ID might be able to suffice for the purpose. I don't think that the card should necessarily be printed at a centralised location. In fact, I don't even think this is desirable (from security and logistics viewpoints). It should be fairly simple to 'approve' a request for accreditation (framework discussed already), then lead to a web-based one-time card generator that the user can print and laminate herself. In case of problems printing, the user should have a fallback option to report the failure, in order to enable a second attempt for the card to be printed. Regards Theo On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: The chapter can officially decide it only after a discussion within Board , SIG leadership and the members. But on a personal level, I agree with Anirudh's view on this. Since it brings strong accountability for the chapter on the use of the ID by the recipients , this has to be done with caution and utmost care. May be we can set up an empowered committee to review such requests and grant them. ( just a suggestion) Nevertheless, IMHO, such id cards should be issued to only trusted Wikimedians with a substantial amount of history with our projects and mission. Regards Tinu Cherian On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: We do need a Chapter EC Board member to respond to this. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: The question whether the Chapter will help someone if they get into some sort of trouble with the authorities is an important one and should be addressed. Once a letter of authority is issued to a volunteer, the chapter's reputation and credibility is on the line. Therefore, the chapter must endeavor to only approve those members who have a substantial amount of history with our projects and their mission. In such a scenario, I would expect the chapter to extend help to those it endorses. anirudh (personal opinion) On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Anirudh Bhati
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from Nichalp in my POV. Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out articles of good quality like no one. It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did. It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not what good he does. Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor, who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing what it takes from keeping others from editing that article. Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS: i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM. ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI. This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming it ON me!] I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English mailing list. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Wifione commented on this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arindam_Chaudhuri#New_section. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published /authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indian_Institute_of_Management_Lucknow#Reliable_sources ) The MSN articlehttp://education.in.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5071129page=2is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo Newshttp://my.news.yahoo.com/fight-corruption-iim-lucknow-graduating-students-told-20110322-101343-289.html. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM)
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
What if he's monitoring all India related lists and the related discussions? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from Nichalp in my POV. Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out articles of good quality like no one. It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did. It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not what good he does. Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor, who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing what it takes from keeping others from editing that article. Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS: i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM. ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI. This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming it ON me!] I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English mailing list. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Wifione commented on this discussion. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edit on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published/authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussion) The MSN article is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo News. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable, independent secondary sources that do so. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from secondary sources. Articles may make analytic or evaluative claims only if these have been published by a reliable secondary source. Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources. Articles ''may'' make an analytic or evaluative claim ''only if'' that has been published by ''multiple'' independent, reliable secondary sources. Wifione seems to be working on IIM and Amity ( Competitors to IIPM) articles as well, possibly trying to show them in bad light. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amity_Universityaction=historysubmitdiff=475405890oldid=474606800 Nevertheless , this has be investigated or
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
He's free to monitor them. What is important is how the community develops a consensus about the said matter. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.comwrote: What if he's monitoring all India related lists and the related discussions? -- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from Nichalp in my POV. Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out articles of good quality like no one. It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did. It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not what good he does. Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor, who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing what it takes from keeping others from editing that article. Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS: i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM. ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI. This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming it ON me!] I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English mailing list. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Wifione commented on this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3aArindam_Chaudhuri#New_section. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published /authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3aIndian_Institute_of_Management_Lucknow#Reliable_sources ) The MSN articlehttp://education.in.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5071129page=2is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo Newshttp://my.news.yahoo.com/fight-corruption-iim-lucknow-graduating-students-told-20110322-101343-289.html. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:No_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so. '''Do not''' analyze, synthesize, interpret,
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Srikanth,The Theora (.ogv) format you are talking about, I don't think has a good quality, instead we should use Matroska (.mkv). Konarak Ratnakar. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:35:40 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production. Subha Community Program Support, India Program Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-in-en mailing list wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. Wikipedia Coimbatore Meetup on February 12th.
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The issue is not of quality, but of the format itself. OGV is an open format, and hence all videos on the Commons are also in the OGV format. Correspondingly, all audio is used in OGG. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.comwrote: Srikanth, The Theora (.ogv) format you are talking about, I don't think has a good quality, instead we should use Matroska (.mkv). Konarak Ratnakar. -- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:35:40 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production. Subha Community Program Support, India Program Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-in-en mailing list wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___
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Here are the answers I have to all of you. @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia. @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production. Subha Community Program Support, India Program Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-in-en mailing list wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___
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And what about participation of the Indian English Community? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Here are the answers I have to all of you. @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia. @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the communities and do a post production. Subha Community Program Support, India Program Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-in-en mailing list wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-en -- Noopur Raval Student Arts and Aesthetics Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi Ph: 9650567690 ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there is loss of quality due to compression. Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and Indian faces. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: And what about participation of the Indian English Community? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here are the answers I have to all of you.@Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.@Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in Outreach (outreach.wikimedia.org) Bookshelf might make some people feel it's project being managed by some foreigners. Seeing some real Indians editing Wikipedia with the Main page of an Indian language background will definitely make this message clearer. If there is a fairly good no of community members located in anywhere in India (e.g Pune, Bangalore and Mumbai community) we can ask the community members say it altogether aloud apart from one/two community members speaking in their own language. I will be posting the details in the community village pumps, you are allowed to send as many people's footage as you can provided the video and audio quality are reasonable good. We will be collecting footage from all the
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska. Though I'll convert the videos in .ogv. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in Commons. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there is loss of quality due to compression. Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and Indian faces. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: And what about participation of the Indian English Community? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here are the answers I have to all of you.@Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia.@Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people and motivate them to contribute to Wikipedia. Many people use Wikipedia in a daily basis without being aware of they can also [Edit] it, social media, Youtube, mails containing link to such a video can be used to reach this message to them. Moreover, such videos which are already there in
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for public would be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing collected in different formats. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.comwrote: Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska. Though I'll convert the videos in .ogv. -- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in Commons. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.comwrote: Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there is loss of quality due to compression. Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. -- Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and Indian faces. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: And what about participation of the Indian English Community? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Here are the answers I have to all of you. @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia. @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have to convert and lose quality. 5) You can use any normal digital camera, even your (iphone) camera :P Just try and minimize shaking. Cheers Noopur 2012/2/7 Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org: Deal all, As a part of helping the community to reach out to more people apart from the presentations, handouts, FAQs and mailing list support we also have need for more visuals. Audio/Video clips containing Indian Wikipedians sharing their message I EDIT WIKIPEDIA or I EDIT AN INDIAN LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIA or WIKIPEDIA IS HELPING ME DOCUMENTING MY HERITAGE will create impact among people
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia
Let me clear this confusion. Dear Srikanth R, *please* attempt to read the ENTIRE mail. I suggested recording in a popular format because converting and editing ogv is a PAIN. And, it reduces video quality by two times. Another thing, if we are to upload these videos to Commons, *obviously* we will have to convert them to open formats. So, no one is denying that. It is rather obvious and understood. So now that we have cleared confusions, can the SIGs and guys organizing meetups please raise hands? Will you guys be able to do such recording? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org wrote: Well, that's the whole point. The final file to be hosted for public would be ogg and the backend work will involve raw file editing collected in different formats. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Subhashis exactly, you might know this, but Xiph (developers of .ogg /.ogv) doesn't even endorse .ogv. And .ogg can be used with Matroska. Though I'll convert the videos in .ogv. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:53:51 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia That sounds good Konarak, and apart from the loss of quality most handy cam users might not be aware of converting them to ogg, but once you convert raw footages to ogg there will be difficulty to edit, because normally the final avi/mpeg is converted to a open source format and uploaded in Commons. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey Srikanth, that's fine by me, twas just a suggestion, because in .ogv there is loss of quality due to compression. Subhashish, I will, in the Meetup, it's on 19th of feb. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:10:39 +0530 From: su...@wikimedia.org To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Yes, they are also being invited to participated, it's about Indian Editors and Indian faces. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: And what about participation of the Indian English Community? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.org wrote: Here are the answers I have to all of you. @Noopur: nice points, I am including them all and here is draft for the community which I will be posting in the respective Wikipedia Village pumps. (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Subha_WMF/sandbox1) @Ashwin, the videos you, Nitika and Swaroop are working will be hardcore outreach videos to teach how to edit Wikipedia. @Konarak, thanks a lot buddy, let us get the footages and we would definitely seek your support for the post production. Moover, we would be more than happy if you lead the event to get the videos done in your place from the community members. @Srikanth, the final video will be in Commons and obviously with .ogv format. But the raw footage will be in .mov/avi/mpeg, they are the formats used before editing. After editing we will convert the final video into .ogv. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Subha, What about the Indian English Community? Noopur, Thanks for the ideas, but one small suggestion. Format- Keep it OGV. We can't be promoting an open project with a closed format video no? Konark, Good to see young brains like you volunteering on this. Ashwin, Can I have a link please? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: Nitika MikeLynch some others have just begin working in this field and a prototype video on how to create an account has been made. Imho these efforts should be combined. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Hey, +1 to this, I can help(composing, editing). Konarak. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:10:06 +0530 From: noopur.ra...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Wikimedia-in-en] Creating video of Indian Editors We Edit Wikipedia Hey Subhashish, I think it's a great idea. In case people are thinking of recording such a video, I would love to help you edit and here are some suggestions for community members: 1) Put it on your next meetup agenda. Do it in the meetup itself 2) It could be one single person saying I edit wikipedia or a group. More than 1 is welcome 3) For editing purposes, it is better if you record video in room with LESS noise and MORE light 4) Try and keep video in MPEG, Avi or MP4, so that while editing we don't have
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione
I feel no sympathy for Nichalp or any such users. Per this discussion, he chose his path which is clearly against the aims of wikipedia. Somebody stated here that Nichalp himself appeared in this thread, so i assume, he has no intention to stop what he is doing. Why we should sympathize to hin? Btw paid edits are bad and anything paid editor devoted is only money . What i feel funny is that the secret spy (gupt char) guy, who started this thread written it as a little tended to Nichalp, but what he really wanted is tearing the mask, has taken almost similar alleged modus operandi of Nichalp to publish his thought. :-). No allegation intended in this entire last paragraph, i've not seen him much ;-) if i'm wrong, i already regretted. :-) On 08/02/2012, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by WifiOne are clearly CoI based, for now I choose to disconnect the user from Nichalp in my POV. Nicholas was the ideal Role model for us back in 2007-8-9. He churned out articles of good quality like no one. It was indeed sad that he had to resort to what he did. It proves that a man is remembered more for what evil deeds he does and not what good he does. Few people would know that Nichalp was the original uploader of Indian maps on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. As for the IIPM related edits, yes, not just WifiOne, but another editor, who replied to the Talk page of the 'Management Guru', seem to be doing what it takes from keeping others from editing that article. Said user believes that I, or User:Utcursh shouldn't edit the article AS: i] I tweeted negatively about IIPM. ii] Utcursh is from another Business School an thus has a CoI. This resulted in MikeLynch taking a neutral stand on the talk page which resulted in the said user voting against in Mike's RfA, [and again, blaming it ON me!] I think we need a special talk about this IIPM matter on the English mailing list. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: Wifione commented on this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arindam_Chaudhuri#New_section. He redacted some comments there, a few hours later, with this edithttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422on WP:No Original Research - he changed trial to trial/litigation in any country and published by any involved party to published /authored by any involved party and also changed Book Reviews from being considered a secondary source to being considered a primary source. Its interesting to note that the changes he made in policy relate somewhat to the discussion taking place on an article talk page where he was involved. Also, the following statements: Please provide valid sources to support this statement. MSN is not a reliable source. - Wifione 06:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC) (this discussionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Indian_Institute_of_Management_Lucknow#Reliable_sources ) The MSN articlehttp://education.in.msn.com/features/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5071129page=2is actually an article by IANS (an independent News Agency), carried by MSN and others like Yahoo Newshttp://my.news.yahoo.com/fight-corruption-iim-lucknow-graduating-students-told-20110322-101343-289.html. A comment about the same Yahoo News article: .. Yahoo link simply shows the opinion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement. - Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 From: jay...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ANo_original_researchaction=historysubmitdiff=475525747oldid=475410422 It looks like he re-arranged the policy a lot in that edit, but there arnt many changes. trial became trial/litigation in any country and he added independent a few times. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. Any interpretation of primary source material requires reliable, independent secondary sources for that interpretation. '''Do
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians)
Praveenp +1 On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 16:10, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Suggestion Praveen, +1. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:23 PM, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote: If this get implemented with enough background check with rigid criteria like credible 300 uploads/3000 edits +1 yr active participation in any indian lang wiki project so as active users can get full advantage, it will be great. Such a criteria will help to keep self proclaimed or self appointed wikipedia enthusiasists away from taking over wikimedians or misusing wikipedia photographer status. On 07/02/2012, Konarak Ratnakar konarak...@live.com wrote: Agree with Srikanth, as I can't join the chapter because I'm underage. Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 02:49:39 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Letters of authority or press cards (was: Backup for Wikipedians) I agree with fae about the entire issue. Last week, there was an Academy in Coimbatore at the Amrita University where I was denied entry as my ID card didn't state Wikipedia. For Commons, this may not be of much use. Most Police men chase us away for pulling out a Camera in Public. However, I do not see this reaching non members of the chapter, especially the under age ones like Vibhijain, or others. Re, On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: Further to Theo's suggestion (inline below) On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Great suggestion Fae. As Srikanth correctly pointed it out, such an ID would be under the content scope, which neither the chapter or the WMF India operations have any jurisdiction over. I remember a couple of years ago, Wikinews tried this for their active editors, offering to print them 'official reporter' IDs. It was an idea at the time, and I'm not sure if they actually implemented it or not. For photographers, this would be the commons community. This shouldn't be too hard, I suggest someone mentioning the political situation and suggesting this for commons photographers in the VP. The great thing is since, it would be the community who would award it, there is little or no direct liability to an official body. There should however be a contribution record or an endorsement from someone to print these out. One thing the chapter can do however, is offer a special member/photographers ID to the existing members. This could be at a surcharge so they don't undertake any expense- they can print out plastic IDs with photos, and membership detail of the existing members. This ID might be able to suffice for the purpose. I don't think that the card should necessarily be printed at a centralised location. In fact, I don't even think this is desirable (from security and logistics viewpoints). It should be fairly simple to 'approve' a request for accreditation (framework discussed already), then lead to a web-based one-time card generator that the user can print and laminate herself. In case of problems printing, the user should have a fallback option to report the failure, in order to enable a second attempt for the card to be printed. Regards Theo On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:15 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com wrote: The chapter can officially decide it only after a discussion within Board , SIG leadership and the members. But on a personal level, I agree with Anirudh's view on this. Since it brings strong accountability for the chapter on the use of the ID by the recipients , this has to be done with caution and utmost care. May be we can set up an empowered committee to review such requests and grant them. ( just a suggestion) Nevertheless, IMHO, such id cards should be issued to only trusted Wikimedians with a substantial amount of history with our projects and mission. Regards Tinu Cherian On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote: We do need a Chapter EC Board member to respond to this. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: The question whether the Chapter will help someone if they get into some sort of trouble with the authorities is an important one and should be addressed. Once a letter of authority is issued to a volunteer, the chapter's reputation and credibility is on the line. Therefore, the chapter must endeavor to only approve those members who have a substantial amount of history with our projects and their mission. In such a scenario, I would expect the chapter to extend help to those it
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera, and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card. This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing this? Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on these: 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether or not what they are doing is illegal.) 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation - is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law. 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that PCo were not breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their ground'. 4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have this information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information (including legal students). This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot. Best Bishakha ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Introduction to Wikipedia session during Kurukshetra2012, 4Feb2012 at CEG, Chennai
I am just amazed by the number of wiki workshops and academies taking place all over India since January. Nice going, everyone! Best Bishakha On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Subhashish Panigrahi su...@wikimedia.orgwrote: *Details of this event could be accessed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Chennai/Chennai4* * __ * Dear all, An introductory session about Introduction to Wikipedia at Kurukshetra2012, an international tech fest at College of Engineering Guindy, Anna University, Chennai was attended by 2 wikipedians Subhashish and Surya and 45 students. This event was intended to bring awareness among students attending this fest about writing articles in the Wikipedia. Subhashish took the audience through a presentationhttp://prezi.com/9lwwxhv7vqtg/introduction-to-wikipedia-the-free-encyclopedia/explaining basics of Wikipedia, how they can edit Wikipedia, what they can edit in Wikipedia. Later on the students questioned about authenticity of articles edited by multiple editors and there was a discussion regarding that. Students also questioned if Wikipedia editing will help them to gain some qualities and certifications which will help them during their campus placements. There were also questions regarding Technical projects and questions regarding jobs at Wikimedia. There were curious folks who questioned abut the cause of blackout against SOPA and PIPA! The questions asked by students had lot of valid points regarding notability and authenticity of Wikipedia articles, there is need for documentation of them in the form of FAQs, So, majority of the important questions and answers to them would be documented in the meta page of Outreach Program Handbook FAQhttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta/India_Program/Outreach_Program_Handbook/FAQaction=editredlink=1 . After the discussion Surya spoke about Tamil Wikipediahttp://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Pageand the on going Tamil Media Contesthttp://ta.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%9A%E0%AE%B2%E0%AF%8D:%E0%AE%8A%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%95%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8D_%E0%AE%AA%E0%AF%8B%E0%AE%9F%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%BF . Attendees socialized and had a group photo session after the event. regards Subha ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera, and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card. This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing this? Almost never. In a very different context, while mapping for OSM, I was almost arrested for carrying a GPS in Gurgaon. Taking a firm stance helped (and I was not arrested) but I was extensively questioned on why I was doing it and who paid me for it etc etc. It was almost impossible to explain anything (and no explanation was really heard). I mock compromised by handing over the waypoints I had noted on a paper while retaining them in the GPS memory. Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on these: 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether or not what they are doing is illegal.) 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation - is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law. 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that PCo were not breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their ground'. +1. This sounds the most sensible. A 'cloud' of resources would help a lot. 4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have this information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information (including legal students). This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot. Best Bishakha Regards, Shalabh ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians
Good Points by Bishakha.. We need to be prepared and organised if anything happens again.. Deepon On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan parakara.gh...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with you completely. While I've never been dragged to a Police station, the Coimbatore Police made me delete ALL my photos on the camera, and the Bangalore Police took away my memory card. This is really a shame. Did they specify under what law they were doing this? Since these situations are cropping up on photo walks, here are some ground-level suggestions for individual volunteers or groups embarking on these: 1)Familiarize yourself with 'photo restrictions' in your city/state: These may differ, and none of us know all the restrictions in each state - maybe a news photographer or someone could be asked in advance, since we seem to have good media contacts in India in general? (Tinu or anyone else: do you think there is someone who could help provide this info? We are all ignorant here. Individuals would feel more confident if they knew whether or not what they are doing is illegal.) 2)Stand your ground to the extent possible: Keep asking which law is being applied if any police action - charging with a case, arrest, confiscation - is brought up. I know this is very very hard to do when faced with police personnel, but still. The police are less likely to bully someone who can firmly ask questions - and who does not get intimidated by the law. 3)Create a chain of 'help': Call another wikipedian for help - if there are 2-3 or more wikipedians present, divide up tasks, so that one-two people can engage the cops while another makes phone calls. When Pranav called me, I in turn called lawyer friends who clarified that PCo were not breaking the law. I then felt more confident to ask them to 'stand their ground'. 4)Cultivate contacts with media, including photographers, who may have this information or lawyers in your city who can help with this information (including legal students). This is not meant to imply that no larger help is needed - it's not an either/or, and institutional support may be needed in some cases. These are just small suggestions to empower individual on the spot. Best Bishakha ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Backup for Wikipedians
+1 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Aditya Sengupta apsengu...@gmail.comwrote: Ignore any or all of the above advice if you are being physically harmed. Focus on personal safety first. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
