[Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Perl (EasyTimeline) C++ (Parsoid) Prolog, Puppet Translation (translatewiki.net) And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
C# - huggle, wm-bot On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Perl (EasyTimeline) C++ (Parsoid) Prolog, Puppet Translation (translatewiki.net) And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: C# - huggle, wm-bot On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Perl (EasyTimeline) C++ (Parsoid) Prolog, Puppet Translation (translatewiki.net) And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
I can help with C,C++, python, java. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: C# - huggle, wm-bot On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Perl (EasyTimeline) C++ (Parsoid) Prolog, Puppet Translation (translatewiki.net) And of course, there's that obvious thing that a lot of people don't realize - editing articles and proofreading books. Unless, of course, you want to focus only technology. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/4/7 Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Harsh Kothari Engineering Trainee, Physical Research Laboratory. Follow Me : harshkothari410 https://twitter.com/harshkothari410/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me I just bought whatcanidoforwikimedia.org and whatcanidoformediawiki.org too. Working on the Wiki page now :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
fork it. that will be faster and prevent doing the same work On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: You should have call it whatcanidoforwikimedia because this is too wikipedia specific - that's an encyclopedia, people who want to contribute to encyclopedia usually aren't programmers, except for weirdos like me I just bought whatcanidoforwikimedia.org and whatcanidoformediawiki.org too. Working on the Wiki page now :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] HTML versioning information in skins?
tl;dr: Let's add class=skintimestamp-MMDD to body in all skins, so we can make HTML+CSS changes without breaking the sites. [Resending as it doesn't seem to have gotten through the first time.] We need HTML versioning information needed in skins to be able to cleanly make incompatible CSS changes. In the Wikimedia setup generated page HTML is cached for ~30 days regardless of skin HTML changes, while CSSJS is purged at most a few minutes after a change is deployed. This is a highly suboptimal situation, as this means that in every change that modifies both the HTML and the CSS, the CSS must be backwards-compatible with old HTML. This requires a lot of care and additional awkward testing and causes major issues when not done carefully enough (e.g. bug 42452), and sometimes just isn't possible at all unless some transitional hacks are inserted (e.g. bug 46947). Luckily this isn't an issue for most third-party wikis, as `php update.php` after upgrade purges the cache entirely. I'm proposing adding another class to body, skintimestamp-MMDD, where MMDD is the year, month and day of the time that given skin's HTML was last modified in an incompatible way. Day should be enough granularity to avoid conflicts while keeping the class name short enough. This can be easily done using the addToBodyAttributes() method of the Skin class. The timestamp would be updated manually by whoever is making those changes, and the class could be used in the CSS to only apply new styles to newly generated HTML. Older styles could be simply left intact, and then removed after enough time has passed. If multiple incompatible changes are ever done in overlapping time periods, the successive ones would include updates to the old new styles to use both the new and old class. Thoughts? [Bug for this is https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46956 , but let's keep the discussion here, please.] -- Matma Rex ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: fork it. that will be faster and prevent doing the same work Agreed. The Wiki page is just for us to consolidate content and figure out what links to where. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Skeleton page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org Fill it in! -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Yuvi, that's great project of you! What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki. Other examples: MapReduce, Natural Language Processing, theory of compilers. - Yury Katkov, WikiVote On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: Skeleton page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org Fill it in! -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Yuvi Panda wrote: Skeleton page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Yuvipanda/whatcanidoforwikipedia.org Fill it in! Hi. Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute And some of my old notes about this: * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=585568#Blueprint It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. What can I do for Wikimedia? -- re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API. MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute Will do :) It's a nice page, I hadn't checked it out before! I should be able to steal some from there And some of my old notes about this: * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=585568#Blueprint It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. What can I do for Wikimedia? -- re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API. I think for now we should limit scope and only focus on the 'contribute code to Wikimedia' part, rather than the 'use our data in interesting ways' part. The sit is, after all, what can I do *for* wikimedia/wikipedia/mediawiki, rather than *with*. We can get those domains too, but I think that's a much larger project than what I'd want to sign up for right now :) I'm thinking of limiting it to *just* developers to begin with, and add localization afterwards. Thoughts? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute! (we could even semi-protect it I guess...) On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:17 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Thanks for working on this. You probably want to talk to Quim and others in his team about this. He's been doing related work: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute Will do :) It's a nice page, I hadn't checked it out before! I should be able to steal some from there And some of my old notes about this: * https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?oldid=585568#Blueprint It's unclear whether you want to only focus on technologies or if you want to also focus on (for example) re-using content from Wikimedia wikis. What can I do for Wikimedia? -- re-use our content via XML dumps and the MediaWiki API. I think for now we should limit scope and only focus on the 'contribute code to Wikimedia' part, rather than the 'use our data in interesting ways' part. The sit is, after all, what can I do *for* wikimedia/wikipedia/mediawiki, rather than *with*. We can get those domains too, but I think that's a much larger project than what I'd want to sign up for right now :) I'm thinking of limiting it to *just* developers to begin with, and add localization afterwards. Thoughts? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Yury Katkov katkov.ju...@gmail.com wrote: Yuvi, that's great project of you! Thank you! What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki. Other examples: MapReduce, Natural Language Processing, theory of compilers. That would split things across two axes, with lots of intersection. Plus it's sort of murky to categorize things based on 'technology type' - where would Mobile apps come in, for example? Easier to keep it simpler for now. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:33 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute! (we could even semi-protect it I guess...) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_contribute is onwiki :) This is a bit more, random and quirky, I guess? It's just a directory - all links will point back to wiki. Plus the site itself (code + data) will be on GitHub, so people *can* contribute easily. -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
K. Peachey wrote: Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute! (we could even semi-protect it I guess...) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Get_involved was my half-assed attempt at that. A wiki page has some advantages, but so does doing this inside (for example) a MediaWiki extension. Particularly in terms of built-in localization support. For what it's worth, I added a (colorful) single page option to the Get involved page, as some developers just want all the information in the same browser page at once, no hand-holding or guiding. Perhaps an option to consider for whatever you're building. Good luck. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
I don't like idea that it's on a wiki page. That way some people can contribute (everyone is controversial term when it comes to wiki editing, let's say everyone who isn't blocked, not matching some range blocks, not using a tor or not using an open proxy and many others...) The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated. If you want Everyone to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: K. Peachey wrote: Why not just point it to a page onwiki somewhere? that way everyone can contribute! (we could even semi-protect it I guess...) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Get_involved was my half-assed attempt at that. A wiki page has some advantages, but so does doing this inside (for example) a MediaWiki extension. Particularly in terms of built-in localization support. For what it's worth, I added a (colorful) single page option to the Get involved page, as some developers just want all the information in the same browser page at once, no hand-holding or guiding. Perhaps an option to consider for whatever you're building. Good luck. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated. Agreed! If you want Everyone to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough. Labs isn't supposed to be used for production services, no? :) I'm sure my VPS can handle this :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
labs are able to handle production services :) that means production services which aren't supposed to have guaranteed 24*7 availability. For example bots / tools project is supposed to host bots that are now hosted on toolserver. So I think you could host it there if you wanted... But TBH I don't care as long as you keep it updated with the content of wiki page :) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: The reason why I don't like idea of having this on a wiki page is that it will be never so cool as it is using that code this guy created. It let you interactively pick what you want - mediawiki can't create such a page, or it can but it would be overly complicated. Agreed! If you want Everyone to be able to contribute, install this to wikimedia labs, and make the project open enough. Labs isn't supposed to be used for production services, no? :) I'm sure my VPS can handle this :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
On first sight I was like WTF is he proposing. Then I read your proposal and it sounds very nice. I hope you will be able to make it happen. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Gaurav Chawla grvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
I think you should describe more how these cards are supposed to be created. I think there should be special elements in wiki code that can mark some text as something that is supposed to be in wiki card. Like: ''card'John Fitzgerald''' '''Jack''' '''Kennedy''' (May 29, 1917nbsp;– November 22, 1963), often referred to by his initials '''JFK''', was the [[List of Presidents of the United States|35th]] [[President of the United States]]/card, serving from 1961 until [[Assassination of John F. Kennedy|his death]] in 1963. (note the card markup tags) This way you could update the card content together with article so that you would ensure it's synced On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On first sight I was like WTF is he proposing. Then I read your proposal and it sounds very nice. I hope you will be able to make it happen. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Gaurav Chawla grvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
Indeed. We have a Universal Language Selector for 3rd party websites already. This one would be super-duper great. This is where Wikidata can play its part as well! As for images, we have already a PageImages extension in all wikis, and we have Wikidata, where item properties may point to images. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On first sight I was like WTF is he proposing. Then I read your proposal and it sounds very nice. I hope you will be able to make it happen. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Gaurav Chawla grvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach! Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate. On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food. Why not improving mediawiki.org pages making them friendly to newcomers instead of creating content from scratch that would point to the same mediawiki.org pages that we would need to improve anyway? For example, no matter how nice your page on Lua is, the users clicking it would still land on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' This recollection is exactly the same work we are calling One ontology at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors#One_ontology Why not creating http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/One_ontology , move this list there and continue defining more categories on that page? I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Yes please, start a wiki page documenting this effort that I hope becomes the same effort that we want to put in mediawiki.org. URL suggested: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/What_can_I_do -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach! Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate. On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food. Why not improving mediawiki.org pages making them friendly to newcomers instead of creating content from scratch that would point to the same mediawiki.org pages that we would need to improve anyway? For example, no matter how nice your page on Lua is, the users clicking it would still land on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lua Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' This recollection is exactly the same work we are calling One ontology at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors#One_ontology Why not creating http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/One_ontology , move this list there and continue defining more categories on that page? I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Yes please, start a wiki page documenting this effort that I hope becomes the same effort that we want to put in mediawiki.org. URL suggested: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:New_contributors/What_can_I_do -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. I think there's a slight misunderstanding. If you see http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages. And if the pages are not good enough, I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that). -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com wrote: Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :) Oh sure! What do you think will be the best way to go about this? Translatewiki.net? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thank you Yuvi for putting efforts in new contributor outreach! Let me plug in the thoughts and discussions we have got in a similar direction so far. Back in January Ross (CCed) had the same idea and we started discussing until I enourage him to move to wiki pages here for further details. Also, let's start applying the lessons learned with the 'Wikitech contributors' debate. On 04/07/2013 03:11 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. I think that this whatcanido whatever .org sites just sound more cool :) or I don't know why mozilla wouldn't use mozilla.org as well Why not use the technologies we are already developing? like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GettingStarted https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GuidedTour We would become their users, we would help testing and improving them. The effort you are putting contributing code on this new project could be put instead in patches to those extensions, better CSS and look feel for our site, etc. Producing and eating our own dog food. I don't think he needs to put much effort into it - the code exist and is on open source, it's not meant to replace these extensions, it's meant to create yet another way to lure more people :) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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Sure. Translatewiki FTW. :) Perhaps you would try to ask the Language Engineering Team for some consulting and assisting (Amire, Nikkerabit or Siebrand, saying off-hand). On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com wrote: Please, don't forget to make the website translatable. Although most tech people speak English, they will be much more pleased to contribute if they are invited in their mother tongue. :) Oh sure! What do you think will be the best way to go about this? Translatewiki.net? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
Wow! That looks like an amazing proposal even in its inception. With more refinement it will have great potential. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.comwrote: Indeed. We have a Universal Language Selector for 3rd party websites already. This one would be super-duper great. This is where Wikidata can play its part as well! As for images, we have already a PageImages extension in all wikis, and we have Wikidata, where item properties may point to images. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On first sight I was like WTF is he proposing. Then I read your proposal and it sounds very nice. I hope you will be able to make it happen. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Gaurav Chawla grvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Cheers, Nischay Nahata nischayn22.in ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On 04/07/2013 09:23 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. I think there's a slight misunderstanding. I don't think so :) but it's fine. No stop energy. If you see http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages. Yes, yes. We could argue about the tactics of creating own sites for each activity as opposed to build on top of your current platform but there is actually little point in doing so. Please continue with your initiative but document / discuss in your preferred destination under Project:New contributors This will help us being all in sync And if the pages are not good enough, I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that). This is the big part of the work. And related to this: improving mediawiki.org homepage and Developer Hub to reflect all the opportunities for contribution you are describing. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
I think such a website attracts new contributors more easily than mediawiki.org can. Later when it points to MW for most stuff the contributor gets used to it :) On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 04/07/2013 09:23 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Why not doing exactly the same but on mediawiki.org directly? All the effort put on promoting a brand new site could be put instead in promoting mediawiki.org in a new, fresh way. I think there's a slight misunderstanding. I don't think so :) but it's fine. No stop energy. If you see http://whatcanidoformozilla.**org http://whatcanidoformozilla.org, it doesn't have much *original* content by itself - it just links back to an appropriate page on mozwiki. This one will also be the same - it will just link back to appropriate mediawiki.org pages. Yes, yes. We could argue about the tactics of creating own sites for each activity as opposed to build on top of your current platform but there is actually little point in doing so. Please continue with your initiative but document / discuss in your preferred destination under Project:New contributors This will help us being all in sync And if the pages are not good enough, I'll try improve them (or poke people into doing that). This is the big part of the work. And related to this: improving mediawiki.org homepage and Developer Hub to reflect all the opportunities for contribution you are describing. -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgilhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Cheers, Nischay Nahata nischayn22.in ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
On 07.04.2013, 20:11 Paul wrote: Indeed. We have a Universal Language Selector for 3rd party websites already. This one would be super-duper great. This is where Wikidata can play its part as well! As for images, we have already a PageImages extension in all wikis, and we have Wikidata, where item properties may point to images. Also, there's Navigation popups[1] while with api.php?action=queryprop=extracts you can get the text of page lede, or N first sentences. To summarize, almost everything (or eveerything) needed for this project is already available, so in a couple hours of hacking it should be possible to hack the navpopups to work in the way described in the proposal. I wonder how much reasearch have the proposer done before making it public? Nevertheless, I'm not saying that this proposal is not worth a SoC, however it should be heavily revised based on input from this thread, then we could decide if it has enough potential. -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
Thanks for the feedback. My idea is to initially take the data from the intro of wiki page, but when somebody suggests a change, then the suggestions will be put up for voting. Most voted suggestion will go onto the card. I really like that idea of putting special tags for syncing. But, won't that change the literal structure of the main article? For example: If I use these tags on Madonna's wikipage, Madonna Louise Ciccone[1] (/t??'ko?ne?/ chi-koh-nay; born August 16, 1958) is an American singer-songwriter, actress, director, dancer, and entrepreneur. card Born in Bay City, Michigan, she moved to New York City in 1977 to pursue a career in modern dance and performed in the music groups Breakfast Club and Emmy./card br / Madonna is known for continuously reinventing both her music and image, and for retaining a standard of autonomy within the recording industry. She attained immense popularity by pushing the boundaries of lyrical content in mainstream popular music and imagery in her music videos, which became a fixture on MTV. Critics have praised her. And I change the card content to something like..An influential pop culture icon, Madonna is known for continuously reinventing her music and image. Her work often include explicit content which drives her into controversies. (And then some of her best musics.) In this particular case, two things are happening: 1. The previous data that was irrelevant as card content but was relevant and good for the main article is now gone. 2. The literal structure of the article is damaged. There may be immediate repetition of information, or sudden change in the flow of article, or something else like that. And that's why I am planning to either save its definition part on Wikidata or make its own database/table for saving. What do you think? Is there any other better solution for this problem? One thing that comes to my mind is, we can fetch it from the wiki page as long as it's not changed from it's initial version and once changed we can then, save it in database and call from there. But, this will make it fragmented :-/ On 7 April 2013 21:40, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: I think you should describe more how these cards are supposed to be created. I think there should be special elements in wiki code that can mark some text as something that is supposed to be in wiki card. Like: ''card'John Fitzgerald''' '''Jack''' '''Kennedy''' (May 29, 1917nbsp;– November 22, 1963), often referred to by his initials '''JFK''', was the [[List of Presidents of the United States|35th]] [[President of the United States]]/card, serving from 1961 until [[Assassination of John F. Kennedy|his death]] in 1963. (note the card markup tags) This way you could update the card content together with article so that you would ensure it's synced On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: On first sight I was like WTF is he proposing. Then I read your proposal and it sounds very nice. I hope you will be able to make it happen. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Gaurav Chawla grvi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am Gaurav Chawla, an undergraduate student at IIT Roorkee, India. I am applying for this year's Google Summer of Code as a developer for Wikimedia. For the past few days, I have been researching about any new improvement or extension in funtionality that can be introduced to this awesome wiki and finally came up with this idea: WikIcards - small information cards. I have drafted a project proposal with full description of WikIcards and also a sample structure of it at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Grv99 I have also filed it as an extension request (Bug 46970) at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46970 I request you to go through this new project and give your suggestions and feedback. You can give the feedback on the bug report. Alternatively, you can also add your suggestions at Suggestions section near the end of the project proposal page. Please comment on its feasibility too. Hoping for a good response. Thank you. Regards, Gaurav Chawla ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
@paul Thankyou for suggesting these useful extensions. I will try to integrate them with WikIcards. They will be really helpful. @max, Thank you for your feedback. Please, also read my discussion page. I have tried to explain the difference between WikIcards and Navigation popups. Here it is - http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Grv99 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On 07.04.2013, 22:56 Gaurav wrote: Thanks for the feedback. My idea is to initially take the data from the intro of wiki page, but when somebody suggests a change, then the suggestions will be put up for voting. Most voted suggestion will go onto the card. Are you familiar with contributing to Wikipedia? There's an edit link, you change stuff and once you press Save it immediately goes live (oh well, on wikis with FlaggedRevs your change will need to be reviewed by an experienced editor for compliance with basic principles, but still not as complex and exploitable as voting). Why should changing a minor part about an article be more complex and bureaucratic that editing the page altogether? I really like that idea of putting special tags for syncing. But, won't that change the literal structure of the main article? Once you separate the extract from the article, you will have a problem of having to update the extract to reflect the latest state of the article, it it really worth it? -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks. P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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- I introduced voting to include the users view into the information/definition that wikIcards will show. That will give a more accepted defn. - For this, the cards are editable (suggest+vote) too. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
+1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks. P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks. I want to concentrate on code because that's the one I've some experience dealing with. Other things can easily be added. I'll put out the repo url once I've something up and running, and pull requests welcome :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
I would love a single landing page that asks What Can I Do… and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] And then each goes to separate pages that explain what can be done. On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks. P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would love a single landing page that asks What Can I Do… and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :) Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.orgjavascript:; wrote: I would love a single landing page that asks What Can I Do… and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :) Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content? -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog Ok, I'll take a stab at some copy on a temp page on mediawiki.org, and share accordingly. Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?) so maybe he and any of the other designers interested can help with that side. Whatever we put in it, this is a great idea, and major kudos for taking the initiative Yuvi. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On 7 April 2013 20:47, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would love a single landing page that asks What Can I Do… and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] If there is design and content, I'll be happy to write the code :) Content, IMO, is the biggest factor here. Volunteers to help with the content? Use the power of wiki. Transclude from Meta in the first instance? (Only lock the pages if it proves necessary. Lots of important pages are actually unlocked, just reasonably well-patrolled.) - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I'll take a stab at some copy on a temp page on mediawiki.org, and share accordingly. Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?) so maybe he and any of the other designers interested can help with that side. With enough people, maybe it isn't hard :) If we're doing it as a broad 'what can i do for wikipedia' instead of just tech, I don't think the current mozilla implementation will fly. I'll think of ways on how to make it minimal and easily workable and get some code written. Whatever we put in it, this is a great idea, and major kudos for taking the initiative Yuvi. Thank you :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Brandon has done landing pages before (SOPA anyone?) I keep forgetting that happened. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from. On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would love a single landing page that asks What Can I Do… and then has some really big, pretty buttons: [Write Content] [Write Code] [Donate Money] [Donate Services] And then each goes to separate pages that explain what can be done. On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:39 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to what Stephen said!! On 7 Apr 2013 12:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, April 7, 2013, Yuvi Panda wrote: I came across http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.org/ today, and proceeded to register whatcanidoforwikipedia.org :) Thoughts on what to put there? I cal already think of the following languages to put up: 1. PHP 2. JS 3. Lua 4. Python 5. Java 6. Obj-C 7. 'Design' I'll start a wiki page sometime to collect content, and then spend some time writing the code - we can even fork the original site's code and use it. Thoughts? Wikipedia needs editors just as much or more than it needs people who know PHP etc. I would prefer to focus on higher levels of contribution, one of which would be Code, and then drills down into the languages or frameworks. P.S. Can we *please* not bikeshed on the domain name? Domain names are cheap -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org javascript:; https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- З павагай, Павел Селіцкас/Pavel Selitskas Wizardist @ Wikimedia projects ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com wrote: One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from. Also ponies :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Paul Selitskas p.selits...@gmail.com wrote: One more moment (which is not very common for English): lack of reliable sources. We've already had experience in getting access to different scientific works. We should pursue this goal as well. There may be people willing to write good article, but those people lack sources to start their work from. Also ponies :) Apologies if that came across as rude or trolly. I really want to keep content as small as possible - because ideally it will have just links (with blurbs) to places on wiki. So a good part of the actual content is going to be on a wiki. If you can figure out a high quality wiki link for with details on open access to scientific journals, and an appropriate position in the information hierarchy we come up with eventually, it should be no problem :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Lukas Benedix bene...@zedat.fu-berlin.dewrote: I think he should focus on Wikidata. They are going to have all the information he needs for his ID cards. http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/**Q9696 http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9696 And more: http://toolserver.org/~magnus/ts2/reasonator/?q=Q9696 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Project Idea for GSoC 2013 - Bayesian Spam Filter
Hi, I am Anubhav Agarwal, a B.Tech 4th Year student at IIT Roorkee. I wish to apply for GSoC 2013 and I am thinking about Bayesian Spam Filter as a project for the same. I have drafted the Idea on my talkhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Anubhav_iitrpage. I request you to go through this and give your suggestions on it. Hoping for a good feedback Regards, Anubhav Anubhav Agarwal| 4rth Year | Computer Science Engineering | IIT Roorkee ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org
Okay, so I made a first pass at a landing page. I'm glad Steven mentioned the SOPA thing, because there's a lot of brand recognition in that image and there's a white version of it so I started with that. Each link goes to a specific place with more detail. These four broad categories seem to make sense to me. Full copy for the secondary bullets needs 'ritin'. --- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report
MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for April 01, 2013 - April 08, 2013 Status changes this week Reports changed/set to UNCONFIRMED: 34 Reports changed/set to NEW: 475 Reports changed/set to ASSIGNED : 77 Reports changed/set to REOPENED : 61 Reports changed/set to RESOLVED : 241 Reports changed/set to VERIFIED : 7 Total reports still open: 9969 Reports created this week: 252 Resolutions for the week: Reports marked FIXED : 132 Reports marked DUPLICATE : 27 Reports marked INVALID : 39 Reports marked WORKSFORME: 36 Reports marked WONTFIX : 14 Specific Product/Component Resolutions User Metrics Created reports per component Translate 22 Site requests 13 Git/Gerrit 12 Continuous integration 11 User login 10 Created reports per product MediaWiki 61 Wikimedia 52 MediaWiki extensions94 Datasets1 Security4 Top 5 bug report closers aklapper [AT] wikimedia.org 31 federicoleva [AT] tiscali.it26 matma.rex [AT] gmail.com18 s.mazeland [AT] xs4all.nl 13 krenair [AT] gmail.com 10 Most urgent open issues Product | Component | BugID | Priority | LastChange | Assignee | Summary -- Commons App | iOS (iPhone o | 46808 | Immediate | 2013-04-02 | brion[AT]wikimedia.o | Commons iOS app: deleting and reinsta MediaWiki | API | 46787 | Immediate | 2013-04-03 | bjorsch[AT]wikimedia | rccontinue not properly handled MediaWiki | Special pages | 42152 | Immediate | 2013-02-07 | py[AT]wikimedia.org | [Regression] All query pages (mainten MediaWiki ext | ArticleFeedba | 43099 | Immediate | 2013-02-07 | mmullie[AT]wikimedia | All actions right to feedback aren't MediaWiki ext | ArticleFeedba | 45815 | Highest | 2013-03-19 | wikibugs-l[AT]lists. | Don't show comments from 'lottery' ar MediaWiki ext | ArticleFeedba | 43421 | Highest | 2013-03-26 | mmullie[AT]wikimedia | Auto-archive comments on article feed MediaWiki ext | ArticleFeedba | 46536 | Highest | 2013-03-26 | mmullie[AT]wikimedia | Incorrect filter totals in cache; nee MediaWiki ext | ArticleFeedba | 42057 | Highest | 2013-04-02 | mmullie[AT]wikimedia | Feedback link on article pages MediaWiki ext | CategoryTree | 43077 | Immediate | 2012-12-14 | sam[AT]reedyboy.net | CategoryTree git/master does not work MediaWiki ext | CentralAuth | 42662 | Immediate | 2012-12-08 | tstarling[AT]wikimed | SpecialBlockList throwing exception o MediaWiki ext | EducationProg | 45496 | Immediate | 2013-02-27 | jeroen_dedauw[AT]yah | Special:Enroll gives fatal error: Cl MediaWiki ext | EducationProg | 46188 | Immediate | 2013-03-16 | wikibugs-l[AT]lists. | Fatal error in CoursePage.php MediaWiki ext | EducationProg | 46577 | Immediate | 2013-04-02 | jeroen_dedauw[AT]yah | EducationProgram Fatal error: Call to MediaWiki ext | LabeledSectio | 42930 | Immediate | 2012-12-13 | valhallasw[AT]arctus | LST: Empty regular expression MediaWiki ext | MobileFronten | 42749 | Immediate | 2012-12-08 | jrobson[AT]wikimedia | Toggling broken on tier 2 phones MediaWiki ext | OpenID| 34357 | Highest | 2013-03-10 | mail[AT]tgries.de| [DESIGN] OpenID-only enabled account MediaWiki ext | OpenID| 44821 | Highest | 2013-03-11 | mail[AT]tgries.de| [BUG] OpenID Consumer wiki stalls wit MediaWiki ext | OpenID| 44819 | Highest | 2013-03-17 | mail[AT]tgries.de| Suggestion: change $wgOpenIDConsumerF MediaWiki ext | WikidataRepo | 44744 | Immediate | 2013-02-20 | wikidata-bugs[AT]lis | Display a licensing notification befo MediaWiki ext | WikidataRepo | 45840 | Highest | 2013-03-19 | wikidata-bugs[AT]lis |
Re: [Wikitech-l] Obtaining the latest commits
Hey, Found the answer to my own question :) You can indeed get a list of changes merged in the last n seconds from gerrit, via its http API. The first change merged into Wikibase in the last 10 seconds can be obtained as follows: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/changes/?q=status:merged+project:mediawiki/extensions/Wikibase+-age:10sn=1 Relevant docs at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/rest-api-changes.html#list-changes and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/Documentation/user-search.html#_search_operators Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw http://www.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. -- ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th
On 6 April 2013 17:27, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: I fully agree with Robert and Phoebe in this matter. Wikidata is an option. Requiring first to come up with rules on how to use Wikidata before it is switched on simply won't work, because there is not sufficient interest and experience for this discussion. I'm very concerned that you would think that. In the real world, where attracting and retaining talented human beings is a key objective, testing of not-yet-ready-for-prime-time software (which this clearly is) is carried out in test environments and with teams who voluntarily agree to participate. The PDSA (plan-do-study-adjust) cycle is critically important; major changes are tested on smaller groups and constantly refined until they are ready to be applied effectively to the larger population. You still have a long, long way to go before this is ready for one of the biggest websites in the world. And it is entirely normal that processes are developed in advance. English Wikipedia has done so for many other technical changes that have taken place over time, including the addition of revision-deletion/suppression, the introduction of the Vector skin, the enabling of pending changes. In fact, I would go so far as to say that technical changes that have any significant effect on content or the manner in which members of the community carry out their responsibilities are *normally* discussed and planned for in advance. This software represents not only a major change in technology, but a major change in the philosophy of the project, and that by itself requires some very significant discussion. Please keep in mind that this is software that will affect every single editor of the project, not just a few who specialise in particular small niches. Someone pointed out that there was no community consultation about Scribunto/Lua, but that affects less than 1% of all active English Wikipedians (those who write templates), and many of them were either involved in the discussion or decided to stop working in the area. Or, put differently, the Wikidata proposal has been published nearly two years ago. We have communicated on all channels for more than one year. I can hardly think of any technical enhancement of Wikipedia - ever - which was communicated as strongly beforehand as Wikidata. If, in that time, the community has not managed to discuss the topic, it might be because such changes only get discussed effectively after they occur. All channels isn't really correct, although I can respect how difficult it is to try to find a way to communicate effectively with the English Wikipedia community. There is no centralized discussion point anywhere on the project. The technical village pump is almost completely populated by editors who have a strong interest in the technical side of things; others only drop in for a short period if they have a technical problem. Administrator noticeboards are watched by a larger percentage of the community, but discussions about changes like this would normally be moved off before any useful comment would be made. I do not recall ever reading about Wikidata on Wiki-en-L (the English Wikipedia mailing list), and only rarely on Wikimedia-L (mainly to invite people to meetings on IRC, but less than 5% of English Wikipedians use IRC). Indeed, almost everything I know about Wikidata comes from this mailing list (and much of what has been written is well beyond my comprehension. Nonetheless, I recognize that trying to find a way to effectively communicate with the English Wikipedia community is a major challenge even for those who are intimately familiar with the project, and would be doubly so for those who are not regular participants. I base this statement on having studied previous introductions of new technical features to the Wikipedias (check for that my paper with Mathias Schindler), like the category system or parserfunctions. Since Wikidata phase 2 is actually a less intrusive change than phase 1, and based on the effectiveness of the discussion about phase 2 on the English Wikipedia so far, I think that a post-deployment discussion is the right way to go. In what way is this less intrusive? Phase 1 changed the links to other projects beside articles, a task that was almost completely done by bots, and did not in any way affect the ability to edit or to modify the content of the articles. Phase 2 is intended to directly affect content and the manner in which it is edited. As well, phase 2 (dependent on implementation) requires that an editor go to a different website to modify the information on an article. There is no warning to the editor that they are leaving Wikipedia. And with the challenges that are about to happen with Firefox (the browser that is possibly the most commonly used by Wikipedians), we know that SUL is probably not going to work properly. Editors thinking they are logged in to English
Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes
Eran raises a key point. On his project, there was a significant
discussion prior to the deployment. Hewiki has voluntarily, as a community,
decided to participate in the early development of a tool. This is a very
good thing, and one that reflects well on the hewiki community.
This process tends to be much more complex on large projects where the
editorial base is highly diverse. We know that the editorial base of most
of our non-English projects tends to be geographically centralized to one
or only a few countries (with the likely exception of Spanish projects),
and usually the majority of editors on these projects (e.g., French,
German, Italian projects) live in one country and share the same cultural
roots. This shared experience increases the likelihood of obtaining
consensus.
English projects, particularly Wikipedia, do not have that same shared
cultural, geographic or historical cohesion; as the lingua franca of more
than a dozen countries, and the second language for thousands of other
editors, even localized variations in usage can be a stumbling block. Add
into that the fact that English Wikipedia has such a large editing
community, and that there is no effective centralized communication
process, and the ability of the community to develop a consensus opinion on
any major topic is exponentially more difficult than on many other
projects. Anyone who has spent much time on Meta knows how difficult it is
to come to a consensus there; Commons seems to have been more effective in
developing effective communication/discussion processes, although as I note
English seems to be the prevalent language there, it must be somewhat
intimidating for those who do do not include English as one of their
languages.
I confess that there are many days when I envy our more cohesive, less
diverse projects for their ability to come to well-discussed, well-reasoned
decisions in a timely way. I think there are lessons out there for English
Wikipedia to learn.
Risker/Anne
On 6 April 2013 12:47, Eran Rosenthal eranro...@gmail.com wrote:
In hewiki we had a discussion in village pump before phase II deployment
and there is a simple bureaucratic policy for converting templates to use
the new {{#property}} feature:
a discussion in Wikipedia:Village pump/templates for each template
conversion before actually adding {{#property}} for it.
(this village pump for templates was already exist to eliminate adding
unnecessary extra parameters that were added without discussion)
This way we can check that each conversion is both technically ok, use the
correct properties from wikidata, and doesn't add unnecessary parameters.
We don't use yet the new features - as in the real world cases it isn't
just {{#property}} and to enjoy the powerful features of wikidata we must
use WikibaseClient Lua api,
but we are in final phase of testing {{Taxobox}} (with no parameters at
all. really cool!)
I would like to thank to Lydia and wikidata team - you are doing a great
job.
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:40 PM, legoktm legoktm.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Risker wrote:
Lydia, could you please point me to the discussion on *English
Wikipedia*
where the community indicated an interest in deploying this software?
Infoboxes and sourcing to another website completely outside the
control
of English Wikipedia is a rather big issue, and I would expect to see
a
Request for Comment with at least 200-300 participants.
I think the issue we're seeing here is that changes, particularly large
changes, often aren't socialized well.
It probably doesn't help to target the English Wikipedia first, of
course,
given that it's often annoyingly exceptional. Wikidata seems like a
large
enough change that I agree that a bit more socialization might be nice.
There are over 700 wikis on which to possibly deploy Wikidata, in
theory.
Wikidata phase 2 is already live on 11 different wikis. (
http://blog.wikimedia.de/2013/03/27/you-can-have-all-the-data/)
MZMcBride
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