Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900's and SR9's
Good point, I didn't mention I'm in the US which I am sure what adds the extra delay to the arrival. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Carl A Jeptha wrote: 5 days from BC to Ontario You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca office 905 349-2084 Emergency only Pager 905 377-6900 skype cajeptha Ryan Spott wrote: Speaking of waiting for Tranzeo, If you do order from Tranzeo direct, then how long does it take to get product? How big are your orders? ryan Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Whoa, bad assumption Rick. We would never be waiting for anything from Tranzeo. I was saying we are awaiting our first batch of SR9 for evaluation and our own network, but that many of our customers have already tested SR9's with our software, and they report excellent results with both the WAR board and the new V3 code for WRAP boards. The Tranzeo should talk with an SR9 since they both use an Atheros base. The only trouble will be the driver and that I can't speak to. Lonnie On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, To clarify please, I assume your saying that you are awaiting your first shipment of Tranzeo 900's for your own usebut others have already deployed WAR Boards V3 or WRAPs with the Tranzeo 900 solution. Is that correct? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900's and SR9's We are awaiting our own shipment but customers have reported good results with WAR boards and the new V3 for x86 WRAP boards. Lonnie On 8/3/06, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, has anyone successfully deployed the Tranzeo 900 solution with SR9's yet? Mikrotik, Ikarus or Star-OS? I'm looking for real results so I can start making decisions. Thanks, Rick Harnish -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SR9's
Ok, I'll have to admit when I first got my Trango 900 I was a bit disapointed. It was not a fault of Trango, it was just my expectations of how much foilage could be penetrated. They have been solid radios, just lower throughput and not as penetratable as what I was hoping for. on the other other hand my RF Linx 2.4g to 900MHz UDC's made me a happy camper. I've had a link that is about 1 mile that is almost all trees and tree tops in the way. 5 megs across this link. 3 years running. Of course this is yagi to yagi PtP shot, which helps quite abit. I bought some 900 Yagi's to use, but only have one in service. Guess it will be interesting to see what we can do with these new cards. George cw wrote: I have almost no clue. We've had little time to play with them and I have no frame of reference. We've never used 900MHz before. The throughput is full 802.11 at links in the high eighties. There doesn't appear to be much foliage penetration as close as a mile. At an eighth mile, we can get a solid neg 82 through solid jungle with wide beam antennas. We're going to have to find narrower beam antennas that don't weigh four hundred pounds before we can figure out much more. 900 roos are coming out soon but I have no idea how tight the broadcast is. I've also seen five foot yagis that might penetrate mountains. - cw George Rogato wrote: When you say limited success, can you give examples? I'm about to buy some and would like to know what kinds of issues pop up. Currently I'm using Trango 900 and RF Linx 900 UDC's and know the limitations of those radios, wondering how they compare to SR9's penetration wise. George cw wrote: I didn't know a WRAP board would power a 700mW radio. We've had limited success with SR9s on WAR boards using 66 and 180 degree sector panels from Superpass. Does anyone know of any narrower beamwidth sector panels that don't weigh fifty pound or measure five feet in at least one direction? - cw Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Whoa, bad assumption Rick. We would never be waiting for anything from Tranzeo. I was saying we are awaiting our first batch of SR9 for evaluation and our own network, but that many of our customers have already tested SR9's with our software, and they report excellent results with both the WAR board and the new V3 code for WRAP boards. The Tranzeo should talk with an SR9 since they both use an Atheros base. The only trouble will be the driver and that I can't speak to. Lonnie On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, To clarify please, I assume your saying that you are awaiting your first shipment of Tranzeo 900's for your own usebut others have already deployed WAR Boards V3 or WRAPs with the Tranzeo 900 solution. Is that correct? -Original Message- We are awaiting our own shipment but customers have reported good results with WAR boards and the new V3 for x86 WRAP boards. Lonnie -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Optivon Sago
Optivon, Sago Partner to Deliver Hosted Telephony Services Posted on: 08/03/2006 Hosted telephony services provider Optivon Inc. recently announced its multi-year outsourcing agreement with Sago Networks, which coincides with its North American expansion and focus on the carrier channel. Optivon will provide hosted telephony services to Sago, including IP Trunking, IP Telephony – residential and business, IP Centrex/PBX Hosting, CTI informal call center, unified communications, local and long-distance telephone service, billing services, backroom operations services, as well as other hosted applications that Optivon will periodically add to the its suite of services, the company said. Sago will bundle Optivon services with other Sago services and will be delivering the IP-based voice services over its private microwave and fiber circuits to the customer premises. The company said it will not be using the public Internet to access the customers and will be able to guarantee optimal quality of service. “Quality of service is our foremost concern”, said Miller Cooper, president of Sago Networks. “Therefore, after an extensive national evaluation process we selected to team up with Optivon to launch our voice services.” http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/68h3151256.html Sago would be a WISP in Tampa and Miami. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] SR9's
How big are the yagis? George Rogato wrote: Ok, I'll have to admit when I first got my Trango 900 I was a bit disapointed. It was not a fault of Trango, it was just my expectations of how much foilage could be penetrated. They have been solid radios, just lower throughput and not as penetratable as what I was hoping for. on the other other hand my RF Linx 2.4g to 900MHz UDC's made me a happy camper. I've had a link that is about 1 mile that is almost all trees and tree tops in the way. 5 megs across this link. 3 years running. Of course this is yagi to yagi PtP shot, which helps quite abit. I bought some 900 Yagi's to use, but only have one in service. Guess it will be interesting to see what we can do with these new cards. George cw wrote: I have almost no clue. We've had little time to play with them and I have no frame of reference. We've never used 900MHz before. The throughput is full 802.11 at links in the high eighties. There doesn't appear to be much foliage penetration as close as a mile. At an eighth mile, we can get a solid neg 82 through solid jungle with wide beam antennas. We're going to have to find narrower beam antennas that don't weigh four hundred pounds before we can figure out much more. 900 roos are coming out soon but I have no idea how tight the broadcast is. I've also seen five foot yagis that might penetrate mountains. - cw George Rogato wrote: When you say limited success, can you give examples? I'm about to buy some and would like to know what kinds of issues pop up. Currently I'm using Trango 900 and RF Linx 900 UDC's and know the limitations of those radios, wondering how they compare to SR9's penetration wise. George cw wrote: I didn't know a WRAP board would power a 700mW radio. We've had limited success with SR9s on WAR boards using 66 and 180 degree sector panels from Superpass. Does anyone know of any narrower beamwidth sector panels that don't weigh fifty pound or measure five feet in at least one direction? - cw Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Whoa, bad assumption Rick. We would never be waiting for anything from Tranzeo. I was saying we are awaiting our first batch of SR9 for evaluation and our own network, but that many of our customers have already tested SR9's with our software, and they report excellent results with both the WAR board and the new V3 code for WRAP boards. The Tranzeo should talk with an SR9 since they both use an Atheros base. The only trouble will be the driver and that I can't speak to. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
Peter, Thank you for passing along this success story for Optivon. They recently joined WISPA as a vendor member. I am glad to see that their belief in partnering with WISPs to use WISP platforms for delivery of VOIP is baring fruit. Thanks again Peter. John Scrivner Peter R. wrote: Optivon, Sago Partner to Deliver Hosted Telephony Services Posted on: 08/03/2006 Hosted telephony services provider Optivon Inc. recently announced its multi-year outsourcing agreement with Sago Networks, which coincides with its North American expansion and focus on the carrier channel. Optivon will provide hosted telephony services to Sago, including IP Trunking, IP Telephony – residential and business, IP Centrex/PBX Hosting, CTI informal call center, unified communications, local and long-distance telephone service, billing services, backroom operations services, as well as other hosted applications that Optivon will periodically add to the its suite of services, the company said. Sago will bundle Optivon services with other Sago services and will be delivering the IP-based voice services over its private microwave and fiber circuits to the customer premises. The company said it will not be using the public Internet to access the customers and will be able to guarantee optimal quality of service. “Quality of service is our foremost concern”, said Miller Cooper, president of Sago Networks. “Therefore, after an extensive national evaluation process we selected to team up with Optivon to launch our voice services.” http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/68h3151256.html Sago would be a WISP in Tampa and Miami. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
Optivon might want to release a case study: what they did with Sago; what problems and obstacles were experienced; how they overcame them; metrics. No better way to win business than to tell people a story. Speaking of stories TerraNovaNet in Key Largo, FL has a featured profile on ISP Planet! Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. John Scrivner wrote: Peter, Thank you for passing along this success story for Optivon. They recently joined WISPA as a vendor member. I am glad to see that their belief in partnering with WISPs to use WISP platforms for delivery of VOIP is baring fruit. Thanks again Peter. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
The last VoIP customer we turned up was a CLEC Peter referred us to. Thanks Peter! It took 10 minutes for them to be up and running with no problems since. Seems like a story about the customer being happy because the service works well and there were no problems or obstacles is kinda boring. -Matt Peter R. wrote: Optivon might want to release a case study: what they did with Sago; what problems and obstacles were experienced; how they overcame them; metrics. No better way to win business than to tell people a story. Speaking of stories TerraNovaNet in Key Largo, FL has a featured profile on ISP Planet! Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. John Scrivner wrote: Peter, Thank you for passing along this success story for Optivon. They recently joined WISPA as a vendor member. I am glad to see that their belief in partnering with WISPs to use WISP platforms for delivery of VOIP is baring fruit. Thanks again Peter. John Scrivner -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
I just had a meeting with Optivon President this morning... they seem like a great option for voip. Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago Peter, Thank you for passing along this success story for Optivon. They recently joined WISPA as a vendor member. I am glad to see that their belief in partnering with WISPs to use WISP platforms for delivery of VOIP is baring fruit. Thanks again Peter. John Scrivner Peter R. wrote: Optivon, Sago Partner to Deliver Hosted Telephony Services Posted on: 08/03/2006 Hosted telephony services provider Optivon Inc. recently announced its multi-year outsourcing agreement with Sago Networks, which coincides with its North American expansion and focus on the carrier channel. Optivon will provide hosted telephony services to Sago, including IP Trunking, IP Telephony - residential and business, IP Centrex/PBX Hosting, CTI informal call center, unified communications, local and long-distance telephone service, billing services, backroom operations services, as well as other hosted applications that Optivon will periodically add to the its suite of services, the company said. Sago will bundle Optivon services with other Sago services and will be delivering the IP-based voice services over its private microwave and fiber circuits to the customer premises. The company said it will not be using the public Internet to access the customers and will be able to guarantee optimal quality of service. Quality of service is our foremost concern, said Miller Cooper, president of Sago Networks. Therefore, after an extensive national evaluation process we selected to team up with Optivon to launch our voice services. http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/68h3151256.html Sago would be a WISP in Tampa and Miami. Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
Matt Liotta wrote: The last VoIP customer we turned up was a CLEC Peter referred us to. Thanks Peter! Go Matt and Peter R! This is the way wispa is supposed to work. Networking with benefits. Matt your in Georgia and where are you Peter? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Optivon Sago
Tampa, with connections all over the Southeast ;) George Rogato wrote: Matt Liotta wrote: The last VoIP customer we turned up was a CLEC Peter referred us to. Thanks Peter! Go Matt and Peter R! This is the way wispa is supposed to work. Networking with benefits. Matt your in Georgia and where are you Peter? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outstanding Networking Trainer Needed
For customers, we hand them an ethernet connection. IF they have their router when I get there to do the install I'll program it right away too. For MY routers, I have people that mostly just do routers work on them. I believe in specialists where it fits the budget to do so. Me, I specialize in customer service and RF networking. grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outstanding Networking Trainer Needed So are you guys setting a modem up with each router? Or are you just praying that accidental misconfiguration aren't going to lock you out until a tech can drive there and handle it locally? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Ron Wallace wrote: Marlon is right-on here, since I have started to grow I can barely keep up with the wireless and the installs. And the tech support. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:30 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outstanding Networking Trainer Needed Tell your client to just hire his router work done. Routers can be managed from anywhere in the world. He should focus on his wireless and customers. Those things can't be done from the outside :-) Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outstanding Networking Trainer Needed Butch Evans ? Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 3 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 1:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Outstanding Networking Trainer Needed An ISP client of mine that I just provided wireless training for has asked me to recommend an instructor who could train them in Cisco router fundamentals, administration, and networking. I'd like to recommend someone to them who: 1. Can travel to the east coast to deliver a training course on-site for three professional-grade ISP employee/managers. 2. Is an accomplished and experienced router/networking trainer. 3. Possesses a friendly, flexible, down-to-earth teaching style (like mine) :) 4. Is dedicated, conscientious, and has a passion for empowering the class to succeed (again, like me) :) If you are, or if you know of such an individual, I'd appreciate it if you would let me know off-list, on-list, or via the telephone. Thanks in advance from your humble wireless servant, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ !DSPAM:16,44ced06f139831804284693! http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,44ced06f139831804284693 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Delimna
I don't usually upgrade my radios till I have to work on them anyway. And then, I usually try to keep them up to date. I almost never put in new firmware though. I wait till it's at least a month or two old, someone else can find all of the bugs :-). Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: [WISPA] Trango Delimna [Firmware Version] AP 1p11H8002D03100301 [Checksum] EF3391FF [Device ID] 00 01 DE 00 31 C7 [Base ID] 1 [AP ID] 2 [System Up Time] 686 day(s) 16:07:36 [Radio Temperature] 50 C Here's the question Should I upgrade the AP to new firmware, or leave it alone and maintain proof that a Trango AP will operate for almost 2 years without a reboot? (Take note that I have had three long power outages at this site, not only does give a testimonial for Trango, but also for our power backup systems.) I personally think the Trango 5830 with 1p11 will stay up for a decade, but I can't prove that if I keep restarting the clock to reboot the radio for firmware upgrades, as I've done over the years. I also planned on taking the link down and moving it, when the Fiber is lit in the building this month. But then I'd have to start the count over from scratch, somewhere else. Decisions, decisions. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900's and SR9's
Thanks!!! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900's and SR9's When I have order from Tranzeo direct it usually takes about 2 weeks. I've only ordered from them 3 times, first was a 10 lot of TR5a the next two were 20 packs of TR-CPE90s. I usually order from Electro comm anymore because I get it in a couple of days if they have it in stock. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Ryan Spott wrote: Speaking of waiting for Tranzeo, If you do order from Tranzeo direct, then how long does it take to get product? How big are your orders? ryan Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: Whoa, bad assumption Rick. We would never be waiting for anything from Tranzeo. I was saying we are awaiting our first batch of SR9 for evaluation and our own network, but that many of our customers have already tested SR9's with our software, and they report excellent results with both the WAR board and the new V3 code for WRAP boards. The Tranzeo should talk with an SR9 since they both use an Atheros base. The only trouble will be the driver and that I can't speak to. Lonnie On 8/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, To clarify please, I assume your saying that you are awaiting your first shipment of Tranzeo 900's for your own usebut others have already deployed WAR Boards V3 or WRAPs with the Tranzeo 900 solution. Is that correct? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo 900's and SR9's We are awaiting our own shipment but customers have reported good results with WAR boards and the new V3 for x86 WRAP boards. Lonnie On 8/3/06, Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, has anyone successfully deployed the Tranzeo 900 solution with SR9's yet? Mikrotik, Ikarus or Star-OS? I'm looking for real results so I can start making decisions. Thanks, Rick Harnish -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Municipal Broadband - A Growing Threat (to Telcos)
Marlon, The problem I am seeing with Muni wireless projects is that they are mostly focused on the free wifi cloud. There is a problem with this logic and I completely agree this is wrong. The purpose of a wireless network for municipal is the cost savings every month for services they would have anyways. Wireless would be used to as an alternative to save money for local government. The funding is only for upfront costs capex not ongoing costs opex. The purpose of the wireless network would be to drastically reduce opex possibly saving the taxpayers money. But it needs to be built in such a way it can support all the services need to make this happen. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: What the government should do is just stay the hell out of the way and stop taxing those of us that work our fannies off so that they can give it to those that won't. These projects aren't about access to anyone guys. They are about getting names in the paper. In the end they will fail. Most of them anyway. And ALL of the ones that have a free internet component. Nothing the government ever does is free. The closest example I can think of to free wifi would be a city park. But the park doesn't require any investment from the user so that probably doesn't fit either. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Municipal Broadband - A Growing Threat (to Telcos) Thats the big thing government forgets to realize, that the costly part of FREE wifi to deliver is End user infrastructure and support, not deployment of the transport network. Thats why I believe many Government projects will not be successful. I can give you a perfect example. I almost had some contracts for broadband to street cameras in DC, and my intent was going to broadcast FREE wifi from every camera location. The broadband to camera contract revenue would have justified the cost for me to pay for the Wireless deployment, and did not require the full bandwidth of the radios for the project. It was only going to cost me an extra $110 per site (one time) to add a SR2s to layer on top the WiFi capabilty portion. Where the real cost was, was the end user CPE or Outdoor antenna, tech support, and buying computers, etc. The plan was maybe I'd set up a 900 number for the support, or pre-paid support hours via the web portal. Politically it would have also been good, maybe even press worthly, those annoying fines from traffic cameras, now gives back to the commmunity with FREE Wifi. What the government should be doing is providing grants or loans for free end user equipment. Then Third Party WISPs would flock in grand numbers, to provide the transport network. Or tax credits for builders thatinclude structure wiring, or allow easements for central wireless backhaul to the building. What doesn't add up to me on Free Wifi is the Governement tries to find a Internet provider to pay for it, through the benefits of advertising or access to eye ball traffic. But if a Marketing company were to give PCs to the End user, what better way would there be to control eye balls of the end user. The ISP doesn't need to control the transport network to control the end user, if they control them via the PC. I think they are making the wrong partnerships. There are also many assets that are needed such as assets of the property owners, and that isn;t available unless property owners/managers are included in on the deal somewhere. Tom DeReggi Peter R. wrote: Most RFP's I have reviewed including Atlanta are hot for someone to come in and give away free wi-fi, especially to schools and the under-served sections of town. There are a couple of problems: 1) How do you monetize that? 2) Most of the under-served don't have computers The only real threat to the telcos and cablecos is that the cheap users will use the free system, so some of their revenues will decrease. But so will support costs. And I am sure at some point they will stop maintaining and/or upgrading low revenue facilities, furthering the Digital Divide. But that won't stop them from collecting USF monies. There are monies available to build these networks if the governments could get it together: Quality of Life grants; Homeland Security funding; USF monies for libraries and schools - and those are just the ones off the top of my pointed beanie. It's all coming to a head. Between now and 2009, lots of turbulence to come. Much of it hangs on the lame telecom re-write and how much of a
