[WISPA] Trango 900AP
Before ordering direct, does anyone have a Trango 900 AP, new or used, that they are interested in selling? Contact me off-list with details of so. Thanks, Cliff -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Harness
Maybe I should go to the pawnshop and get me six harnesses, one for everyday of the week, that way I won't wear them out and I can keep them for ten years at only a fraction of the cost. I still don't know what those brownish marks were on the last one I got from the pawnshop. Looks like dried-up blood, hey but the price was good. I can also get a real cheap deal on brain surgery if anybody needs it. Seriously two years in a harness is enough for me. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: fyi Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Dennis Severns [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brent Childers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Tower Climbing Harness Brent The exofit seems to be a very good tower harness, I do not use one myself, but other crew members with the tower company I work for use them. You should consider if you really need that much harness, Tower harnesses are normally designed to keep the worker tied off 100% of the time (when used with the proper fall protection lanyards, positioning devices and safety climbing devices). That is the reason for the six D-rings on the harness, The back D-ring is for attaching a fall protection lanyard, normally a double lanyard with large ladder hooks for clipping to the tower. The front chest D-ring is for use of a cable grab that is attached to a safety climb cable permanently mounted on the climbing ladder on most newer commercial towers (not needed on most ham radio towers) And the four side D-rings are for positioning either using a positioning lanyard or re-bar hooks. one good feature of the exofit is the built in bosun's seat that really helps if you have to spend a long time in the harness. I personally use an Elk River Tower harness that I found in a Pawn shop for less than $80.00 and like it a lot. It sells new for about the same as the DBI Sala Exofit. If you do not need all the features of a full tower harness you may be better off going with just a full body harness with side D-rings. also there are some very nice harnesses made for rescue and entertainment rigging that would be worth looking at. Some companies to look at on the web are of course DBI Sala, Elk River, Miller, MSA, Petzl work solutions, Yates, Rescue Technology and CMC rescue. Petzl and Yates make some very nice harnesses that are used by friends of mine in the arena rigging industry Good luck with whatever you decide to go with and stay safe on the steel. Dennis Severns kc0sul Professional.Tower Tech/Rigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brent Childers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To All, I am in the market for a new tower climbing harness. I am interested in hearing from the group on their recommendations. My criteria are: 1. Safety 2. Comfort 3. Cost I am considering the ExoFitT Full Body Harnesses as it looks to be very well built and comfortable. So please respond directly and I will summarize for the group. 73 - Brent _ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstaglineocid=T002MSN03A07001 ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ___ ___ TowerTalk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.contesting.com/mailman/listinfo/towertalk -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
We ran into this in our office, a couple of the headset units we have are 2.4 ghz freq. hopping units and the linksys waps we use(d) would die every time a phone call came through. We also have one DECT headset that causes no problems. On another note, I am using another AP currently that uses an Atheros chipset and has been rock solid even with the headsets still being used. Ryan On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:53 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback
Marty, Pardon the naivity, but what prevents the SR9s from being legal? I am looking at deploying these in RB 133C's. Jim Jim Stout LTO Communications, LLC 15701 Henry Andrews Dr Pleasant Hill, MO 64080 (816) 305-1076 - Mobile (816) 497-0033 - Pager - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:42 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback Probably not legal- so not really very cost effective :) Marty ___ Marty Dougherty CEO Roadstar Internet Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 703-554-6620 www.roadstarinternet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Annas Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 7:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 900MHz feedback Is anyone using the MTIKs w/ the 900MHz cards? We use Mikrotiks for routing frequently; however, we have never used them as an actual access point. How do these work as 900MHz APs/SUs and is it more cost effective than a canned solution such as Trango or Tranzeo 900 gear? Thanks. _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.14/727 - Release Date: 3/19/2007 11:49 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
We have a Panasonic cordless phone system and a linksys router in the office. No problems with either unit at any time. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. We ran into this in our office, a couple of the headset units we have are 2.4 ghz freq. hopping units and the linksys waps we use(d) would die every time a phone call came through. We also have one DECT headset that causes no problems. On another note, I am using another AP currently that uses an Atheros chipset and has been rock solid even with the headsets still being used. Ryan On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:53 -0400, Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Attenuators
I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
Blair, You can find them here: http://www.jfwindustries.com/fixed.html jack Blair Davis wrote: I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
Blair, You can find the attenuators here: http://www.jfwindustries.com/fixed.html You should be able to get the T's at the same place you get your N connectors. jack Blair Davis wrote: I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
I have a unit like this one from Ebay. 7613384406 The only difference I can see is my unit has a N male on one side, and a N female on the other. $50.00 I also have a HP 11852A shown as http://www.teknetelectronics.com/Search.asp?p_ID=15559pDo=DETAILHP%20-%20AGILENT_11852A Again, $50.00 Both units are working pulls from the MCI microwave system. Prices do not include a nominal shipping charge, around 7.70 for one or both, USPS flat rate. These are genuine HP. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] Attenuators I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
My apologies, this was not intended to go out on the list. - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Attenuators I have a unit like this one from Ebay. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Are they legal to use unlicensed in the US, and ...do you have a URL? :) Thanks George Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
How many lines in does this system have? I am dealing with an insurance company who is treating my wife and they want her to use a cordless headset (shoulder injury). Well we have the business line, the voip line and the homeline, and soon another business line. so we are now looking at a 4line system. You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Principal Member - Lightwave Communications, LLC
We welcome Ty Carter with Lightwave Communications to WISPA. It appears that Lightwave is making a big play in the North Caroline area. We all appreciate your involvement in WISPA and hope our mutual efforts will benefit your company and our industry. Here is some information about Ty Carter and others involved in Lightwave: Lightwave Communications, LLC is a newly formed LLC originating from a network consulting company, Strategic Network Consultants, Inc., a cable TV company, Ashe County Cable TV and a small, emerging ISP, EZ-Streak Internet. The Principals are: Ty Carter, President Jeff R. Smith, VP Rob P. Sheets, Secty Our combined resources will bring us statewide coverage for ISP, WIFI and network consulting. Our initial footprint will cover extreme Western North Carolina (Ashe Wilkes County) and Eastern North Carolina (Pitt, Beaufort and Hyde Counties) We also have WIFI and Internet services on Ocracoke Island (Outerbanks). We are also petitioning and pursing the North Carolina PUC for CLEC status. Once approved, Lightwave will offer traditional POTS, VOIP and LD services. History on the principals: Ty Carter, age 37, a resident of Washington, NC and President of Strategic Network Consultants, Inc.(SNC) Ty has an extensive communications and IT background. Strategic Network Consultants is a regional network consulting operation specializing in bringing Forture 500 experience, MOPS and economies of scale to small business (less than 50 employees). SNC fills the gap for a fulltime IT position for companies that can not afford to hire to fulltime IT position. They also specialize in Microsoft, Cisco an HP business partnerships. Prior to commissioning SNC he spent 5 years working for Sprint Mid-Atlantic Telecom (SMAT) (now Embarq) on the local side. He was one of five level four network engineers, Sprint engaged to build out and maintain SMAT's core ATM and Frame Relay network. Prior to working for Sprint, he was the general manager for a regional ISP; building the operation from 50 subs to over 3000 in about a year. Jeff R. Smith, age 48, a resident of Winston-Salem, NC and President of Ashe County Cable TV. Jeff has 25+ years in the CATV business. He started out working with his father, Fletcher Smith; whom is widely known in the CATV business in NC. Jeff has owned and operated ACTV for almost 6 years and is positioning his cable company to move to the next level of communications, offering digital, IPTV and VoIP, and FTTx delivery. Rob P. Sheets, age 47, a resident of West Jefferson, NC and sole proprietor of Eastern Computer repair and EZ-Streak Internet service. Rob has been in IT and electronics for 20+ years; as a navy radar electronics engineer; Rob in 2004, with two other partners started EZ-Streak internet service to service rural Western NC, via wireless delivery. After a corporate restructure, Rob was singlehandedly left with keys to the ISP and has built out the WIFI network when others told him it would not work and he was crazy. Providing WIFI coverage to clients that have no other choice is Rob's specialty. -- Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. Lightwave Communications, LLC 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Principal Member - Triad Telecom
Don Annas of Triad Telecom has joined WISPA as a new Principal Member. Don is one of only a few WISPs who started out as a VOIP company and then moved into being a WISP. This is the reverse of what many here face. There is going to be some good information shared between Don and our group I am sure. Thank you for your support and welcome to WISPA. Here is some information about Don and Triad Telecom: My name is Don Annas, and I came from the equipment integration side of the house. I have formally worked with many WISPA members as a sales rep for Internet Finance and Equipment, Systems Express Corp., and Starcom/Arcom. As our focused shifted to installing Voice Over IP phone systems, I saw a growing demand for a true 'business class' voice over IP service offering. About 2 years ago, I started Triad Telecom Inc. out of Greensboro, NC. Triad Telecom's core business as an ITSP is to provide tier 1 business class VoIP and SIP trunking to enterprise customers as well as wholesale VoIP solutions to many service providers around the US. We hold a direct partnership with Level 3 Communications which allows us to provide VoIP origination and termination services in better than 85% of the US. We quickly found that many of the local businesses were peering with us utilizing the local cable company as well as DSL as a transit network for the VoIP services we were providing. Not only did we not have QoS control of the traffic on these oversubscribed networks, the local cable company and Bell would use that connection to cross-sale their voice services into our account. We soon faced the reality that these giants were impossible to work/partner with. As a result, we purchased a small WISP who had previously re-sold our VoIP services with success. This gave us a distinct advantage in our local market and completely eliminated the need for the cable company and Bell for our clients. While VoIP services is still the core of our business, the WISP is growing very quickly and we all enjoy the challenges and technology that operating a wireless network demands. While we are still young in the WISP arena, we do understand the ITSP side of the house very well and what it takes to move into that arena. We certainly welcome the opportunity to share our experience with other WISPs as you may incorporate VoIP as a service offering to your clients. Equally, we look forward to learning from the WISPs who have the battle scars and do not mind sharing those learning experiences with their peers. Thank you everyone! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
.. There are also now dual-mode DECT/Skype phones, which I like the look of ... Also, in EU DECT is very popular for cordless home phones, and they have nice looks/features. [helpful post, BTW, Ralph] Best regards Stephen Patrick CableFree Solutions www.cablefreesolutions.com -Original Message- From: Ralph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2007 17:45 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This email has been verified as Virus free Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.16/729 - Release Date: 21/03/2007 07:52 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
I avoid those pesky 2.4 GHz phones when I can. I had a Panasonic 2.4 GHz in my house that would take me offline and mess with phone calls when using the net. I have tried to always use 900 MHz phones with DSSS. Not easy to find these days sadly. I was not aware of an unlicensed band at 1.9 GHz. Do you have a link to info on this band? Thanks for the tip. This is brand new info for me. You are a wealth of good information Dawn. Thanks for being here! Say hi to Ken for me. Scriv Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
$50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Did you look at the UTAM URL? The fee until recently was $20 per device A market killer if I've ever seen one, especially when the manufacturing cost of a simple home phone is in that range! We'll see if this changes now that the UTAM prices have gone down. My thoughts is that the window of opportunity has long passed (there's no up front fee to continue making products only for the 900, 2.4, 5GHz UL bands that we wished they'd stop using). What exactly is a manufacturer's incentive to switch to 1.9GHz where there's a stiff UTAM fee? I used to work for a very, very, very large US manufacturer, and all UL business phone development in 1.9GHz have long ago (years ago) been permenantly cancelled to my best knowledge. Rich - Original Message - From: John Scrivner To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. $50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
I have or at least had an attenuator that I got from YDI a few years ago. It has a bunch of bat switches that you can adjust the loss in steps. Jack Unger wrote: Blair, You can find the attenuators here: http://www.jfwindustries.com/fixed.html You should be able to get the T's at the same place you get your N connectors. jack Blair Davis wrote: I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Attenuators
George, If I recall correctly, that was a pretty good unit that was usable up to about 2.4 GHz. I don't know if Blair needs that kind of dB-by-dB control or not but if he does, I think I can find a link (I'll have to dig hard) to the company that manufactured that model. jack George Rogato wrote: I have or at least had an attenuator that I got from YDI a few years ago. It has a bunch of bat switches that you can adjust the loss in steps. Jack Unger wrote: Blair, You can find the attenuators here: http://www.jfwindustries.com/fixed.html You should be able to get the T's at the same place you get your N connectors. jack Blair Davis wrote: I'm looking for some fixed value attenuators for doing some equipment testing. Say 30-40db, N-connectors. I'm also looking for a couple N-connector T's. Anyone know where I can find these? -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Do you have a link to the rules governing how this spectrum can be used, how it is licensed, who you have to pay what to use it, etc.? I would like to research this in more detail. Is this opportunity still available or is this spectrum now gone elsewhere? Is this what DECT is using? Did they pay the fees? I am trying to understand all the issues being discussed here and feel I am missing important facts. Thank you, Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: Did you look at the UTAM URL? The fee until recently was $20 per device A market killer if I've ever seen one, especially when the manufacturing cost of a simple home phone is in that range! We'll see if this changes now that the UTAM prices have gone down. My thoughts is that the window of opportunity has long passed (there's no up front fee to continue making products only for the 900, 2.4, 5GHz UL bands that we wished they'd stop using). What exactly is a manufacturer's incentive to switch to 1.9GHz where there's a stiff UTAM fee? I used to work for a very, very, very large US manufacturer, and all UL business phone development in 1.9GHz have long ago (years ago) been permenantly cancelled to my best knowledge. Rich - Original Message - From: John Scrivner To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. $50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in
[WISPA] Wireless Broadband to remain unregulated
Depending on your perspective of what unregulated means, here is a quote from IPTelephony.org regarding a vote at the FCC which I would assume is good news for us. At least it could mean we will not get any more new regulation for a while: Despite a split in opinion over net neutrality regulations, the body unanimously voted to keep wireless broadband unregulatd, which means the providers will be exempt from economic regulations, filing rates with the FCC, providing wholesale network access to competitors, and contributing to the USF. begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC on Wireless
I just can't tell if they mean Cellular or Wireless or both. (I don't think they know either). Wireless Internet an Information Service, FCC Says http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/73h2210431.html Posted on: 03/22/2007 As expected, the FCC has classified wireless Internet access as an information service. This frees providers from the regulations such as E911 or USF contributions that pertain to telecommunications services. The FCC has steadily deregulated communications services – including cable modem, DSL and BPL – over the past two years. The commission unanimously approved the classification on Thursday morning. However, Democratic Commissioner Michael Copps said he voted for the measure only in the spirit of treating like services alike. He decried the swiftness with which it was adopted and the lack of public comment. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
It would be good for all WISPs read this and start to consider their position and their response. http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
first impression, is that the FCC's looking to set prices. nondiscrimination pops up a lot... blegh! You mean Al Gore didn't invent all this ? /faint/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:04 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices It would be good for all WISPs read this and start to consider their position and their response. http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Certification list
Hey everyone, Jack Unger and myself have started this group to create a process of getting uncertified systems certified. The reason for the certification is to help bring wisps into compliance and legitimize their operation. Recently a wisp reported that he had an FCC inspector do an inspection at his site. He said that competitor wanted to shake him of his exclusive site contract with allegations he was operating uncertified equipment, voiding his contract. His competitor was trying to shut him down, move in on his turf. The FCC inspector inspected his system and found it to be 100% certified. His competitor was trying to throw the uncertified wisp off the roof! Fortunately for that wisp, he had 100% certified system in place. With brand names and the right antennas. He wasn't thrown off the roof. Many wisps have been building out with componentized systems, those systems we buy and add custom features or components that are not certified by a manufacturer. But can be. Reason they are not certified, is because to certify a system, the manufacture has to build the exact same system spec'd in the certs and deliver a finished assembled product to the customer. The certification holds the manufacturer responsible rather than the wisp. No system that is built today by a wisp that he bought the parts for and assembled is certified. But, we believe a wisp can get his system certified. And that is what this group is about. Certifying your componentized systems. We don't know any reason why a wisp can't manufacture his own system. And with the commonly used components that are out there, have many wisps certifying the same exact system over and over. The issues here are the cost and the process to get a system certified. Most wisps don't know how and the cost can be prohibitive if done blindly. We have started the new group ONLY for wisps who have uncertified systems that they want to get certified and realize they have to pay. there is no free ride here, if Joe gets his system certified and Jack wants to get the same exact system certified, he HAS to pay as well. So expect that this process is not free and going to cost money. How much money? We do not know any money details yet. We do know that there is discounts with quantity and once one system is certified copies can be cheaper with co-operation. I would expect, with a lot of wisps participating, the costs can be driven down to a fraction of the costs. At this time only Principle members are invited to take part in this process. Join the certification list here: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/certification Thanks George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf Sounds like some users are complaining that thee p2p software does not run as fast as it should. Could be devastating to some of us small operators if we cannot throttle p2p services back somewhat. We are still paying over 400$ per T1 circuit. Now that most of the small bandwidth providers have been bought up prices are creeping up too. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
All, The link below is the DECT phone system I was speaking about earlier. http://tinyurl.com/2l2ktq We use these phones on our VOIP service and have all the features we need. Regards, Dawn DiPietro On 3/22/07, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a link to the rules governing how this spectrum can be used, how it is licensed, who you have to pay what to use it, etc.? I would like to research this in more detail. Is this opportunity still available or is this spectrum now gone elsewhere? Is this what DECT is using? Did they pay the fees? I am trying to understand all the issues being discussed here and feel I am missing important facts. Thank you, Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: Did you look at the UTAM URL? The fee until recently was $20 per device A market killer if I've ever seen one, especially when the manufacturing cost of a simple home phone is in that range! We'll see if this changes now that the UTAM prices have gone down. My thoughts is that the window of opportunity has long passed (there's no up front fee to continue making products only for the 900, 2.4, 5GHz UL bands that we wished they'd stop using). What exactly is a manufacturer's incentive to switch to 1.9GHz where there's a stiff UTAM fee? I used to work for a very, very, very large US manufacturer, and all UL business phone development in 1.9GHz have long ago (years ago) been permenantly cancelled to my best knowledge. Rich - Original Message - From: John Scrivner To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. $50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
Check out www.utam.org. They really do a fairly good job of describing why they were created, what they did, and what companies desiring to use the cleared spectrum must do (pay). Whenever the topic of trying to understand the 1.9GHz spectrum that the FCC allocated for UL use, this is an important piece of the puzzle. It's simply not as simple as the FCC allocated spectrum for UL at 1.9GHz but nobody wanted to use it. I don't have a link for UPCS usage rules. I asked sources I trust (that worked on, but later abandoned UPCS product development). They tell me the usage rules are a minimal must listen before talking play-nice. That doesn't seem overly restrictive to me. - Original Message - From: John Scrivner To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. Do you have a link to the rules governing how this spectrum can be used, how it is licensed, who you have to pay what to use it, etc.? I would like to research this in more detail. Is this opportunity still available or is this spectrum now gone elsewhere? Is this what DECT is using? Did they pay the fees? I am trying to understand all the issues being discussed here and feel I am missing important facts. Thank you, Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: Did you look at the UTAM URL? The fee until recently was $20 per device A market killer if I've ever seen one, especially when the manufacturing cost of a simple home phone is in that range! We'll see if this changes now that the UTAM prices have gone down. My thoughts is that the window of opportunity has long passed (there's no up front fee to continue making products only for the 900, 2.4, 5GHz UL bands that we wished they'd stop using). What exactly is a manufacturer's incentive to switch to 1.9GHz where there's a stiff UTAM fee? I used to work for a very, very, very large US manufacturer, and all UL business phone development in 1.9GHz have long ago (years ago) been permenantly cancelled to my best knowledge. Rich - Original Message - From: John Scrivner To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. $50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were
Re: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues.
This site has some DECT products... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/dect/ John John Scrivner wrote: $50K up front and 50 cents a device to control an entire band in the US sounds like a pretty cheap deal to me. I am surprised nobody jumped on that. I do not see that as too much to pay and I am very surprised this did not take off. I hate it when opportunity is right in front of my face and I am too blind to see it! Scriv Rich Comroe wrote: I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. There's a reason you haven't seen these products here. I began searching for why the last time a thread discussed the 1.9GHz UL band surfaced on this list. I doubt you'll ever see much product ever emerge for this band in the United States. There's a reason for this too ... I've heard some discussion on this list regarding how the FCC gave the industry UL spectrum and they didn't use it. With such a connection, wisps must understand why this band has been underutilized here (as well as judging the chances of new products emerging). Years ago the FCC took this band away from Pt-Pt microwave users. They authorized a group called UTAM to pay what was necessary to move these microwave users to clear the band. Apparently UTAM spent whatever it took since it wasn't there money. Manufacturers wanting to field UL product had to pay UTAM what were known as clearing fees. Check out http://www.utam.org/ClearingFees.html. Prior to April 1 2005 the clearing fees were enough to dissuade any manufacturer from building UL product for the United States! IMHO the UTAM fees doubled the cost of producing UL product. Since April 1 2005 the fees drop to a mere 50 cents per radio, but a manufacturer must still pay UTAM $50,000 up front. With the lack of products, UTAM has amassed a huge debt. The FCC groundrules for clearing the Pt-Pt users from the band were more than enough to insure that this UL band would never be effectively utilized in the United States. Just my opinion, Rich - Original Message - From: Ralph To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. I deployed a DECT (Digital European Cordless Telecommunications) system with 450 handsets several years ago. The phones were single line units made by Phillips. They system worked OK, but the features were very lacking. The frequency range was 1880-1900 MHz This deployment was in Paris, France and was connected behind a PBX. There were about 21 base stations, each one capable of supporting many conversations. The DECT system is interesting because it is the standard in Europe and people's home handsets could be registered on this system. All I had to do was enter the code # into the management system. We were afraid that the handsets might begin disappearing due to the interoperability, but these handsets were so cheesy that the home models were much better. The DECT system did handoff calls as the users walked between base stations, which was pretty cool. A year or so aqo, DECT was authorized here in the US, on slightly different frequencies: 1920-1930 MHz. There was not any general hoopla at all around this introduction. DECT isn't GSM, but the two are made to be very compatible and in Europe, there are dual mode DECT/GSM phones. These systems, which are sometimes used in installations like mine, allow the user to switch over to a more cost-effective DECT connection when in range, and the GSM signaling is passed over to the DECT system, but in DECT format. I haven't seen but one DECT phone here and it was very basic, but I expect that the technology will quickly be expanded to products like the multi handset systems, etc that are getting popular from Uniden and all the others. It should eliminate all WISP interference for sure! Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Using DECT phones to avoid interference issues. All, I am sure some of you have already thought of this but I would suggest a great alternative to avoid interference with the most common frequencies used to deploy wireless networks would be to use DECT cordless phones in the house. They use the 1.9Ghz frequency and are relatively inexpensive. We use a DECT phone system here with all the features we could ever ask for and we got them for a song after the rebate. Just a thought. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Does this antenna exist?
I'm looking for a 120 degree sector antenna that is 900 MHz Horizontal (or vertical) and 2.4 GHz dual band. I know of some 900/2.4 vertical 30 degree sectors, but I need no less than 120 degrees for this app. Has anyone any idea who might make such an animal? Ralph -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
Prices are creeping up on T1 because ILEC's are unregualted on special access circuits - the very copper T1 that runs the loop to your door. ILEC's are unregulated on fiber and special access. And in 2 markets QWest doesn't have to sell loops at all. If VZ gets its petition this year, in 6 Eastern cities you won't be able to buy loops at all. Imagine what the rate for a T1 will be then??? Peter Matt wrote: http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf Sounds like some users are complaining that thee p2p software does not run as fast as it should. Could be devastating to some of us small operators if we cannot throttle p2p services back somewhat. We are still paying over 400$ per T1 circuit. Now that most of the small bandwidth providers have been bought up prices are creeping up too. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices
Good thing backhaul radios are getting cheap! grin - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Inquiry Into Broadband Market Practices Prices are creeping up on T1 because ILEC's are unregualted on special access circuits - the very copper T1 that runs the loop to your door. ILEC's are unregulated on fiber and special access. And in 2 markets QWest doesn't have to sell loops at all. If VZ gets its petition this year, in 6 Eastern cities you won't be able to buy loops at all. Imagine what the rate for a T1 will be then??? Peter Matt wrote: http://www.neca.org/wawatch/wwpdf/032207_3.pdf Sounds like some users are complaining that thee p2p software does not run as fast as it should. Could be devastating to some of us small operators if we cannot throttle p2p services back somewhat. We are still paying over 400$ per T1 circuit. Now that most of the small bandwidth providers have been bought up prices are creeping up too. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Certification list
On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:11:13 -0800, George Rogato wrote Hey everyone, Jack Unger and myself have started this group to create a process of getting uncertified systems certified. The reason for the certification is to help bring wisps into compliance and legitimize their operation. Great idea. I subscribed. I'm definitely interested in the process. Mark Koskenmaki Neofast, Inc Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains 541-969-8200 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
