Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
- Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance I went to email him, but his website says he will not respond to emails from outside his district. his website has no mention of his letter to the FCC. Is there anyone in his district on-list who can email or call him? People from outside his district are obviously going to be far back on the list of things to take time to deal with. I won't call unless there's nobody in his district. I did a lot of searching for additional information about his request, but I found nothing. I did find he has a lot of interest in internet / telecommunications, though I see he and I are on the opposite sides of a lot of things. His district is the upper peninsula of Michigan. Anyone? I'd like to hear the FCC response to Rep. Bart Stupak's request to waive the CALEA regulations for small broadband providers, as described in the following link. http://www.wispa.org/?p=21 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I won't defend all the crazy intrusions by government. SWEET RELIEF! :0: * .*Koskenmaki /dev/null :0: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote: In my case with less than 30 subs, one network operator (me), and tiny budget, there is no way i can afford even a low cost solution. let alone 4 or 5 employees. So unless some miracle occurs, I will close shop on May 12. What equipment is in your network, Ed? I suspect you are letting Mark's drivel get to you. Mission accomplished one less little guy in the mix. There's been so such mission. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote: I would roll my own, but even if i had a working intercept device (opencalea's tap program) it would still need to forward the collected data to the TTP for mediation. This is not the case. Be a little patient and there will be more information coming in just a few days. All is not so dark as one person seems to think. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote: the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8 seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device. You are misinformed. See here: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=22 See question/answer 18. every trusted third party i have talked with so far wants access on at least the intercept device. Of course they do...that's what they do! They will need access to the intercept device (not your ap) in order to do what you pay them for. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007, Todd Barber wrote: I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and would become available in the near future. All I can say is please be patient. An answer to your question is coming. We (the wispa calea committee) are working on building the standard now. I have seen numerous posts indicating that small providers should not be concerned and that attaining CALEA compliance would not put them out of business. Those posts would be correct. I contacted them today. If this is the cost effective solution that is available, it isnt cost effective enough for our operation. The monthly is ¼ of our current bandwidth costs and the upfront is twice the cost of our head-end router that is servicing all of our customers. Bearhill (or any other TTP) is a good solution if you want someone else to assist in managing your CALEA compliance. A TTP is NOT a requirement, however. If someone has better information on how a small ISP can become CALEA compliant in a cost effective manner, please contact me as I am all ears. If there is better information or a defined solution being presented on the WISPA member list, I am more than willing to pay membership dues to access it. If there isnt a better solution being discussed there, I would just as well save the due money as it will probably not be long before we are out of business or sell to a larger competitor and the membership will be useless. All I can say is (again), be patient. This information is coming. BTW, becoming a WISPA member is a good idea anyway. CALEA will not be the downfall of anyone (except those that refuse to obey the law). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Tue, 1 May 2007 03:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote: the provider or the TTP have to provide the information within 8 seconds of real time to the LEA via a mediation device. You are misinformed. See here: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=22 See question/answer 18. when you consult the fcc documents they point to existing standards which define exactly this. i understand wipsa's document was created from opinions of the wispa calea committee which were formed during informal talks with the government agencies ... when it comes down to the wire who do i trust, the one that has been set in stone by the government which offers safe harbor, or something which, until yesterday, seemed to be little more than rumor and wishful thinking. every trusted third party i have talked with so far wants access on at least the intercept device. Of course they do...that's what they do! They will need access to the intercept device (not your ap) in order to do what you pay them for. i understand the mechanics of calea and a trusted third party, if you read the previous message i expressed concerns about an unknown|untrusted device on my network and security issues these devices could create. marlon replied with a vague and misleading statement, so i clarified the TTP's position. Ed -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
Agreed - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pig tails Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erik Jansson wrote: I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any experiences would be appreciated. Erik -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
John Scrivner wrote: We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank? Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in time for the deadline that is only going to solve one part of CALEA. We checked with Cisco in the beginning regarding CALEA. We were assured they were working on it and would have a solution in time (much the same way WISPA has). We now have Cisco's solution and understand it does exactly what they say it would do; namely LI. Unfortunately, LI isn't enough as I have outlined in other posts. We have had to develop the rest of the solution on our own. Reread my post on the practical requirements of dealing with ELSUR and check with your attorneys. I think you'll find no technical solution to those requirements. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
I spoke with roger about his pigtails before, he buys them from a distributor just like anyone else, although, it it always nice to talk to him, he has is own unique prospective, and reasonable parts+ship. On 5/1/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pig tails Roger Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erik Jansson wrote: I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any experiences would be appreciated. Erik -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The Plan Part was: CALEA Compliance
Matt Liotta wrote: John Scrivner wrote: We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank? Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in time for the deadline that is only going to solve one part of CALEA. We checked with Cisco in the beginning regarding CALEA. We were assured they were working on it and would have a solution in time (much the same way WISPA has). We now have Cisco's solution and understand it does exactly what they say it would do; namely LI. Unfortunately, LI isn't enough as I have outlined in other posts. We have had to develop the rest of the solution on our own. Reread my post on the practical requirements of dealing with ELSUR and check with your attorneys. I think you'll find no technical solution to those requirements. -Matt I think people are missing the 3 parts: 1) The Plan - the form to be filed by May 14 2) The ability to Intercept (hardware capability) 3) The data formatting VPN or FTP to the LEA Cisco and some other equipment is CALEA Compliant in that you can collect a tcpdump or whatever. But then you need to collect that data, extract only the data that the LEA needs, and send it to them within 8 seconds in real-time, transparently, without adding noticeable latency. The plan needs to be filed to let the FCC and the Feds know that you have thought upon compliance and have an idea of what you will do if/when presented with a subpoena. The TTP mainly does # 3. You still need # 1 and # 2 -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tom in Branson
Tom in Branson (Formerly of Pittsburg KS) Give me a shout please! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Scriv, Congrats and Have Fun! 10 Years in this business is something to celebrate for sure. :-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro John Scrivner wrote: Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
I just wanted to mention about this. It's true, Routerboards are not FCC certified. Neither are WRAP boards. But there are a lot of inexpensive, fast combo boards that are FCC certified, that fit into nice 1U/2U short rack cases that are also FCC certified, making an inexpensive, FCC modular computer certified solution. You can then use conventional ethernet AP's (FCC certified) which makes a nice solution that works well. Also a reminder that using a conventional network card from D-Link / Netgear / Linksys / Bufflao with their own certified antennas is another way to make a Mikrotik system legal in the US. Those manufacturers now have a number of outdoor antennas now. The preferred solution of 400mW cards, antennas etc... if someone would FCC certify a SR2 / SR5 / SR9 on a PCI-mPCI adapter, with a range out of outdoor antennas we could run Mikrotik AP's on conventional PC's... - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] from WISPA's home page....
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Edward H. Winters wrote: when you consult the fcc documents they point to existing standards which define exactly this. i understand wipsa's document was created from opinions of the wispa calea committee which were formed during informal talks with the government agencies ... when it comes down to the wire who do i trust, the one that has been set in stone by the government which offers safe harbor, or something which, until yesterday, seemed to be little more than rumor and wishful thinking. I'm not going to try to change your beliefs, but I will tell you this FAQ is not just opinion. The list of questions and our answers were reviewed by the FBI's CALEA Division. You can believe whomever you like. The FAQ does not (and cannot) provide safe harbor, because it is not an industry standards document. That part (the standard) is not, yet, complete. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. What part is not working? Which version? I don't know for sure if I can help to troubleshoot on the list, but with a bit of detail, it is possible. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Plan Part was: CALEA Compliance
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Peter R. wrote: Cisco and some other equipment is CALEA Compliant in that you can collect a tcpdump or whatever. You mean Cisco OR some other equipment. There are a multitude of equipment that can handle that part. But then you need to collect that data, extract only the data that the LEA needs, and send it to them within 8 seconds in real-time, transparently, without adding noticeable latency. Re-read the FAQ. The contents of that document were reviewed for accuracy by the FBI's CALEA enforcement. #18 is of particular interest/applicability. The plan needs to be filed to let the FCC and the Feds know that you have thought upon compliance and have an idea of what you will do if/when presented with a subpoena. I think this it he part that Matt is sounding off about. It is an important part of the equation. Parts of this should have been in place with the earlier filings. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask everyone to have a utility and manage this utility when it will never be used by a very large portion of our industry. It is far cheaper for the government to sameday ship their device to us anywhere in the nation then it is to have everyone else trying to scramble to satisfy a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Anyone know if this has been posed to the FBI. - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance John Scrivner wrote: We look forward to proving that this thinking is wrong. What part of CALEA compliance is it that makes you think we cannot develop a low cost and reasonable solution which will not break the bank? Even if you do come up with a way to handle LI in time for the deadline that is only going to solve one part of CALEA. We checked with Cisco in the beginning regarding CALEA. We were assured they were working on it and would have a solution in time (much the same way WISPA has). We now have Cisco's solution and understand it does exactly what they say it would do; namely LI. Unfortunately, LI isn't enough as I have outlined in other posts. We have had to develop the rest of the solution on our own. Reread my post on the practical requirements of dealing with ELSUR and check with your attorneys. I think you'll find no technical solution to those requirements. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Why would you assume otherwise? This is a bit contentious isn't it? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Outstanding John. Congrats... Wheres the party... You don't live that far from Effingham. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA attachment: Little Short Fat Dude.jpg-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
On Tue, 1 May 2007, John Scrivner wrote: Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. John, Congratulations to you and your staff. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Good job! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency in the world not do the same. This way they controll it all. We just provide the pipe to get the data back to their preferred location. I do not know much about CALEA. I am still reading more and more, but if they are asking us to do something, then they had better already know how to do it. ross - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance Ross Cornett wrote: I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask everyone to have a utility and manage this utility when it will never be used by a very large portion of our industry. It is far cheaper for the government to sameday ship their device to us anywhere in the nation then it is to have everyone else trying to scramble to satisfy a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Let's assume that the FBI would send you a box for LI. What about the remaining requirements for CALEA? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
You'd come across a lot of privacy issues giving the FBI that sort of access. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency in the world not do the same. This way they controll it all. We just provide the pipe to get the data back to their preferred location. I do not know much about CALEA. I am still reading more and more, but if they are asking us to do something, then they had better already know how to do it. ross - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance Ross Cornett wrote: I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask everyone to have a utility and manage this utility when it will never be used by a very large portion of our industry. It is far cheaper for the government to sameday ship their device to us anywhere in the nation then it is to have everyone else trying to scramble to satisfy a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Let's assume that the FBI would send you a box for LI. What about the remaining requirements for CALEA? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Rick Harnish wrote: What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. I guessed that one right! Happy B-day old man! Jeremy Davis -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
I might have a boat load of new never used still in the package mmcx to n female bulkhead. I have to check to make sure the mmcx is correct. George Erik Jansson wrote: I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any experiences would be appreciated. Erik -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
Ross Cornett wrote: I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask everyone to have a utility and manage this utility when it will never be used by a very large portion of our industry. It is far cheaper for the government to sameday ship their device to us anywhere in the nation then it is to have everyone else trying to scramble to satisfy a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Let's assume that the FBI would send you a box for LI. What about the remaining requirements for CALEA? -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months? There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion. Sheesh. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chadd Thompson wrote: You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Opencalea
Has everyone read the Opencalea presentation? http://www.opencalea.org/NANOG39-Lightning.pdf Looked through the mailing list posts. http://www.merit.edu/mail.archives/opencalea/ And had a look at the code. http://code.google.com/p/opencalea/ Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
All, Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
I kind of thought the same thing, but thought he may be poking fun at him or something. I have been planning on joining WISPA this year once I can scrape up the $$ to do it but with the recent bashing of certified/non-certified solutions I am not sure it is where I want to spend my money. I have a mixed network of certified and non-certified equipment as does everyone operating in our area. One of the draws for me to join WISPA was the recent discussion of WISPA heading up a program to try to get some of the more common non-certified solutions certified. I have looked into getting my own equipment certified but if this is something that WISPA is going to do I would definitely rather spend my money to support WISPA in its efforts. Does anyone know where WISPA is at on this project and if it is moving forward? Thanks, Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Why would you assume otherwise? This is a bit contentious isn't it? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in Aberdeen, MD?
Does anyone service Aberdeen, MD? I got a call from a desperate prospect today. Thanks! Martha Huizenga DC Access 202-546-5898 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Matt, This is great news. I look forward to seeing this happen since this seems to be the system of choice from a huge number of Wireless Providers. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months? There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion. Sheesh. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chadd Thompson wrote: You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Is it really any of your business Dawn? George Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Dang it Rick, That's not a fair question. Except for the turns 45 tomorrow part, that description could apply to dozens or even hundreds of people on this list. :) jack Rick Harnish wrote: What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification Assistance for Wireless Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Now it's my turn to be contentious... Why does anyone care to inform you of anything? Who are you that we should care? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
You need to filter out data that is not under the subpoena. And (as I understand it) the LEA should work with you to get the data. Ross Cornett wrote: If we can come up with a device to capture and send to an FTP server and allow for VPN connectivity then why can the most powerful law agency in the world not do the same. This way they controll it all. We just provide the pipe to get the data back to their preferred location. I do not know much about CALEA. I am still reading more and more, but if they are asking us to do something, then they had better already know how to do it. ross -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of the thread. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
It's cool. :-) Butch Evans wrote: On Tue, 1 May 2007, Dawn DiPietro wrote: Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Now it's my turn to be contentious... Why does anyone care to inform you of anything? Who are you that we should care? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
People have been saying this for quite some time. There's a lot of people who have been deploying star-os and mt based gear with the assumption that at a future date would come some minor regulatory changes that would let them certify stuff already out. The new modular transmitter rules may provide this means, if someone can get some clarity about the legalese in the published rule changes - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Can the Certification Nazis give it a rest for a couple of months? There will be plenty of StarOS and MT certified systems by then and we can send these stupid threads into /dev/null oblivion. Sheesh. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Chadd Thompson wrote: You want to help the guy or poke him with a stick? :O) Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Dawn: Not that is really any of your concern or not, that I use certified gear; that has absolutely NOTHING to do with my request for assistance. There are people on this list that have been there and done what I'm trying to do and know how to help me with this issue. Certified or uncertified gear has no bearing on this issue. So I guess your assumption is incorrect. Thanks, Ty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Mark, You are correct with this statement. I did get a little out of hand this morning. Apologies to the list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Nash wrote: This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of the thread. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mirrored Switch
The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Linux server with OpenCALEA and an FTP program on it. Knowledge of how to make it record and distribute the needed data for LEA. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
You forgot about being licensed to carry firearms, which may be the scariest part! Happy Birthday Mac. BTW, what WISPA member is a bit taller, climbs up peoples' spines, talks too much, writes maybe too provocatively, lost his hair (but it grew back), won't reveal what ointment gets applied where, and turns 43 on Friday? :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Congrats John. Life moves ever too swiftly. BTW, you sensitive old codger, the number I have programmed for you gives me a not in service message. Please privately send me a new cell number. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:03 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
You. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:33 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION You forgot about being licensed to carry firearms, which may be the scariest part! Happy Birthday Mac. BTW, what WISPA member is a bit taller, climbs up peoples' spines, talks too much, writes maybe too provocatively, lost his hair (but it grew back), won't reveal what ointment gets applied where, and turns 43 on Friday? :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
Try the SMCGS24C-SMART. It is really inexpensive, will give you 10/100/1000 ports X 24, plus has 4 pluggable fiber ports for expansion. Granted I bought mine from distribution (Techdata) but I paid less than $219.00 for my switch and it will do port mirroring and the whole nine yardsand mine had the mounting ears in the box. The newegg.com offers don't include the mounting hardware. HTH If anyone is interested I will afford you this same switch at cost, plus shipping, just let me know. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Linux server with OpenCALEA and an FTP program on it. Knowledge of how to make it record and distribute the needed data for LEA. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Happy Birthday Friday Patrick! :) Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION You forgot about being licensed to carry firearms, which may be the scariest part! Happy Birthday Mac. BTW, what WISPA member is a bit taller, climbs up peoples' spines, talks too much, writes maybe too provocatively, lost his hair (but it grew back), won't reveal what ointment gets applied where, and turns 43 on Friday? :) Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Almost any standard Cisco (not linksys consumer junk) switch can do this What about this one. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=540 Its about 160$ at newegg and says it supports mirroring. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
P.S. I forgot to mention that the documentation and support for this product really suck; however for the price one can afford to go it alone with poor documentation and 8 x 5 M-F support hours. It is not that complicated. The biggest issue I ran into with the unit was manually setting the speed and duplex of each port and disabling the auto-negotiate feature... That really caused me extreme pain in the turnup of my switch; but once I hard coded every port, it has been smooth sailing with NO issues. Ty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch Try the SMCGS24C-SMART. It is really inexpensive, will give you 10/100/1000 ports X 24, plus has 4 pluggable fiber ports for expansion. Granted I bought mine from distribution (Techdata) but I paid less than $219.00 for my switch and it will do port mirroring and the whole nine yardsand mine had the mounting ears in the box. The newegg.com offers don't include the mounting hardware. HTH If anyone is interested I will afford you this same switch at cost, plus shipping, just let me know. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Linux server with OpenCALEA and an FTP program on it. Knowledge of how to make it record and distribute the needed data for LEA. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
Depends what you want it for. If you are mirroring ports for CALEA, will this do the trick? Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: P.S. I forgot to mention that the documentation and support for this product really suck; however for the price one can afford to go it alone with poor documentation and 8 x 5 M-F support hours. It is not that complicated. The biggest issue I ran into with the unit was manually setting the speed and duplex of each port and disabling the auto-negotiate feature... That really caused me extreme pain in the turnup of my switch; but once I hard coded every port, it has been smooth sailing with NO issues. Ty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ty Carter Lightwave Communications Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch Try the SMCGS24C-SMART. It is really inexpensive, will give you 10/100/1000 ports X 24, plus has 4 pluggable fiber ports for expansion. Granted I bought mine from distribution (Techdata) but I paid less than $219.00 for my switch and it will do port mirroring and the whole nine yardsand mine had the mounting ears in the box. The newegg.com offers don't include the mounting hardware. HTH If anyone is interested I will afford you this same switch at cost, plus shipping, just let me know. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Linux server with OpenCALEA and an FTP program on it. Knowledge of how to make it record and distribute the needed data for LEA. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
Prior to CALEA, my plan for helping law enforcement consisted of the following... Introducing them to my upstream (they'd already know them anyway, because my netblocks belong to them) and having them use my provider's nice, secure NOC for tapping into my upstream traffic via a managed switch and mirroring. I have no place to put a mediation box, no place to put any kind of physical tap. I have no physical point this can be done, WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF MY NETWORK. Physically, it has to be located at someone else's facility. This is not compliant. And one says why are you stressing? Ok, how many of you have dealt with the IRS? How about electrical codes? Building codes? OSHA? Saying that the feds just want the data is just like saying the IRS just wants some money. Wrong. They want absolute compliance, to the letter. When we had to dispose of solvents and cleaners, we went many rounds with the DEQ for Oregon. There was no accomplish this goal, it was obey the letter, period. Great solutions were not allowed, because they didn't fit the absolute letter. Welcome to the world of regulatory hell. Conversations with people in DC are one thing. They will present as a nice of face as possible to disarm you. The IRS people are pleasant... at first.. too.So was the DEQ. Oh, we don't want to fine you, just get you into compliance, but the moment we talked to them, we had to immediately do what they demanded, or face fines. For instance, we had to clean some parts in something like carb cleaner. It is washed off with high pressure hot water. That means that it, and the water you wash it off with... is hazardous waste. So, limits on the disposal of hazardous waste? Well, we had a gallon limit. So, we said, we buy 20 gallons a year, does this mean we generate 20 gallons of waste? The answer was no. Every gallon of water used to rinse it off became another measured gallon. They told us that the preferred method of disposal was to evaporate the carb cleaner. So, we said great... we'll just rinse it off with water and evaporate the water and cleaner. Nope. if we rinse it with water, then that water counts toward hazardous waste gallons. Stupid, eh? No matter how much water we used, we were still evaporating 20 gallons of this solvent. But the evaporated water was 'hazardous waste and if we mixed too much water in this, we went over the gallon limit. Read the document... They will read your filings, and then they will start on a process of bringing you into compliance. Tapping at your gateway? That's fine. That's good faith to start. Then you will have to demonstrate contined progress toward compliance. Dont' have 24 hour response? That's fine. You will only need to say WHEN you'll have it. You WILL eventually have to capture it at the client end, or at the AP if you're wireless. You WILL provide a date when this will happen. I hate to say it, but it sounds like some very gullible people talked to the feds. They're not the ones who will be reading the forms and assessing fines. They are there to put a nice face on things. But compliance, to the letter? That's what the name of the game is. Always will be. Always has been. What has to be gotten across, is that some technologies do not work this way. They will have to make a definitive statement ( the calea faq is woefully out of date - www.askcalea.net , with contradictory information published later) . I quote: The primary goal of the Order is to ensure that Law Enforcement Agencies have all of the resources that CALEA authorizes with regard to facilities-based broadband Internet access providers (ISP) and interconnected voice over Internet protocol (VOIP) providers. Not to do what you can but to get EVERYTHING they they are authorized to get. That's my opinion of how the future is going to play out, unless something changes between now and then. They make the statement that we don't intend to alter the way networks work. But when you read the way enforcement works.. You will. Just witness how many people are talking about fundamentally altering network operations to be compliant now. But more importantly... from this day forward, you will not be able to start, or deploy a wireless or any other kind of internet providing network that doesn't have ALL aspects of CALEA compatibility built in. That pretty much rules out the vast majority of present equipment and methods of deployment. - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask
Re: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business
Congrats! Here's to another 10 years! CLINK Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: [WISPA] Mt. Vernon. Net Celebrates 10 Years in Business Today my company turns 10 years old. Building this company has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done. I feel very blessed to be part of all this. Many of you have played a large role in my success and I thank all of you. I have always considered my success in this business to be attributed mostly to my belief that God answers prayer. Thank you God! I hope all of you get to reach those landmarks in your company that make you take pause and reflect. I hope when you do you get to have as positive a feeling about it all as I do. We have a whale of a day planned. The girls made up balloons and various decorations. We have hotdogs, brats and bbq to feed an army. We will have two washer pits setup. I plan to play some rock and roll with friends later in the afternoon. For those of you who do not know it I play the drums. Thanks again to all you guys and gals. I am off to have some fun today! Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
Try the Zyxel ES-2008 series. It will do exactly what you need for a sub $200 price tag. -Eric Matt wrote: Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
NOW: Status of WISPA's Certification Efforts WAS: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Chadd, I would not let the sometimes intense nature of the certification discussions put you off. This is an issue with financial, emotional, and legal sides. WISP owner/operators are an intelligent bunch of individuals who have strong personalities and a need to cut to the chase in making business decisions. The need to hash out issues and to make quick and hopefully correct business decisions sometimes gives an appearance of being overly contentious but through all the discussions, useful and necessary business decisions actually do get made. IMHO, this contention is, for the most part, normal in any deliberative, decision-making process. I think you will find that a decision to join WISPA will be a decision that you will be glad you made and one that will pay you dividends. Now to answer your question about where WISPA is on the certification project. I can't officially speak for WISPA but so far I haven't seen any strong signs that WISPA is going to directly pay for the certification of equipment. My perception is that WISPA would like to help facilitate the certification process for WISPs who wish to band together to minimize their certification costs by identifying common equipment combinations and sharing the cost of getting those common combinations certified. WISPA set up a members-only Certification email list about five weeks ago to help provide certification information and coordination. Personally, I believe that WISPs should use certified equipment. I've been in this industry for 15 years now and I've worked for around 2000 license-free broadband wireless network deployment organizations, most of them WISPs. The overwhelming majority of these people want to deploy networks that 1) work and 2) are legal. Deploying a wireless network requires investing time, energy, money, hope and reputation. My feeling is that anyone who invests the time, energy, money, hope and reputation to design and deploy a legal network deserves to enjoy the satisfaction and often, the financial rewards that the network can bring them. It doesn't seem fair to me that someone could invest their time, energy, money, hope and reputation to build a network that meets the spirit of the law (operates cleanly within the legal power limits) but does not meet the letter of the law (uses equipment that doesn't have FCC certification) and then have to shut that network down. This shutdown can happen for several reasons. 1. A competitor complains (rightly or wrongly) to the FCC that you are operating outside of the FCC rules. The FCC inspects your equipment, sees that it is not certified, fines you a large amount of money and orders you to replace your equipment with certified equipment or shut down. 2. A competitor operates outside of the FCC rules themselves, for example, using too much power and trashing the band for you. You complain to the FCC. Before inspecting the other operator, the FCC inspects your equipment and finds that it is not certified. They fine you as in example 1, above. They may or may not go on to inspect the operator that you complained about. I'm sure you can think of other interference-related examples of your own. My point is that a WISP who follows the law deserves to stay on the air and reap the benefits of their time, energy, money, hope, and reputation investment. Using certified equipment seems the best way to maximize their chances of enjoying the benefits that are due them. On WISPA's Certification list we have published a certification FAQ and also published a Common Data Format to identify common WISP operator needs to allow WISPs with similar needs to get together. Action on the list is fairly slow so far. There are an average of maybe 7 or 8 posts per week. Many posters have technical questions about the legality of this or that equipment combination. So far we have about four operators who want to use Mikrotik OS on Mikrotik motherboards and about three operators who want to use Star OS on WAR motherboards. I would urge you to join WISPA and then to join the Certification list. You'll be able to add your needs as well as to coordinate with others to hopefully reduce your certification costs. jack Chadd Thompson wrote: I kind of thought the same thing, but thought he may be poking fun at him or something. I have been planning on joining WISPA this year once I can scrape up the $$ to do it but with the recent bashing of certified/non-certified solutions I am not sure it is where I want to spend my money. I have a mixed network of certified and non-certified equipment as does everyone operating in our area. One of the draws for me to join WISPA was the recent discussion of WISPA heading up a program to try to get some of the more common non-certified solutions certified. I have looked into getting my own equipment certified but if this is something that WISPA is going to do I would
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Far out, then...let's move on. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Mark, You are correct with this statement. I did get a little out of hand this morning. Apologies to the list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mark Nash wrote: This post is not a response to the question or helpful. You took an opportunity to state an opinion which has derailed the original intent of the thread. Mark Nash UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous WISP was not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs out there, so what is the point of your post ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: CALEA Compliance Plan]
---BeginMessage--- There is a lot of talk about CALEA. Compliance is due May 14. As I have written here (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/calea-compliance-plan.html) there are 3 parts to compliance: 1) The Plan - the form to be filed by May 14 2) The ability to Intercept (hardware capability) 3) The data formatting VPN or FTP to the LEA What you should be focusing on is the Compliance Plan, which the FCC calls System Security Integrity Plans. (It was due in March, but yours better be filed by May 14). It includes your planning to comply with a subpoena. The Who, What, Where, When, and How. This is probably as important as the hardware. A plan template is available for $49 that you can modify for your use. There has been much speculation and some misinformation about CALEA. I would suggest that people discuss their CALEA plans with an Attorney like Kris Twomey. (Attorney Kris Twomey is offering a simple flat rate $250 SSI manual that can be modified and filed on their behalf.) Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 www.rad-info.net www.marketingideaguy.com RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 ---End Message--- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: CALEA Compliance Plan]
I'll also make the one we are using available for $50 should someone want it. -Matt Matt Liotta wrote: Subject: CALEA Compliance Plan From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:52:51 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a lot of talk about CALEA. Compliance is due May 14. As I have written here (http://radinfo.blogspot.com/2007/05/calea-compliance-plan.html) there are 3 parts to compliance: 1) The Plan - the form to be filed by May 14 2) The ability to Intercept (hardware capability) 3) The data formatting VPN or FTP to the LEA What you should be focusing on is the Compliance Plan, which the FCC calls System Security Integrity Plans. (It was due in March, but yours better be filed by May 14). It includes your planning to comply with a subpoena. The Who, What, Where, When, and How. This is probably as important as the hardware. A plan template is available for $49 that you can modify for your use. There has been much speculation and some misinformation about CALEA. I would suggest that people discuss their CALEA plans with an Attorney like Kris Twomey. (Attorney Kris Twomey is offering a simple flat rate $250 SSI manual that can be modified and filed on their behalf.) Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 www.rad-info.net www.marketingideaguy.com RAD-INFO, Inc. 813.963.5884 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Johnny, We used Breezecom and Proxim. Are you telling me that they were not certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro JohnnyO wrote: Dawn - this is not a personal attack but I know that your previous WISP was not certified compliant, neither is about 90% of the WISPs out there, so what is the point of your post ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup Ty, I assume you are planning to use certified gear for this. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ty Carter Lightwave Communications wrote: Anyone out there willing to throw a helping hand to me in setting up a MT hotspot I have tried several times; and just can not get it to function as I think it is prescribed to function... i.e. can't get it to work... doa. I will be glad to call whomever for assistancePlease shoot me a contact number off-list and I will be glad to discuss this in detail. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt -or- The SKY is NOT falling.
I have seen numerous posts on the WISPA list indicating that a cost effective and compliant solution for this issue was being worked on and would become available in the near future. || I think that is wishful thinking on some people's part. When you see || companies like Cisco struggle to provide a minimum of support on a small || subset of their products you can begin to imagine the scope of the || problem. Every post I have seen where people have suggest a solution, the || suggestion only solved one specific part of CALEA. Solving part of the || problem is not enough. Actually you have to remember that a CALEA request will pracitcally never touch upon all the different information that CALEA defines. The only real time streaming requirement is VoIP and similar protocols. In all other cases a competent *nix wizard could script a basic sniffer solution in an afternoon, which would satisfy the intercept requirement in any collection scenario that does not include a real time component. The CALEA compliance committee clearly stated that the LEAs are going to be working with the ISP to help them satisfy the subpoena. They further said that they would usually be working with the ISP even before a subpoena would be issued. I have seen numerous posts indicating that small providers should not be concerned and that attaining CALEA compliance would not put them out of business. || I would argue that small providers should be very concerned. Not just || about CALEA, but a concerted effort on the part of large telcos to ruin || competition through seemingly legimate public safety issues. This is true, but this issue is not one of the ones the telco's are using. Sadly, CALEA was originally intended for circuit switched networks only unfortunately the LEAs worked in concert to convince the FCC that it should also apply to packet switched networks. This is primarily due to the fact that VoIP and other real time communications protocols were rapidly migrating to the IP world. There was not time to get congress to address the packet switched world with a new law. The facts remain that our business model currently is profitable and we are providing a valuable service in a rural area. The added costs of CALEA compliance jeopardize our ability to continue providing service. Who needs to explain to the hundreds of happy customers I currently service in a rural community that they no longer have high speed internet and don't have an alternative broadband solution? || Unfortunately, many consumers will lose as small companies go under. This || won't be the first policy that is designed for the good of the many as || opposed to the few. It isn't fair, but it is done. Small companies will not go under in becoming CALEA compliant. First the smaller you are the less likely it is that you will *ever* be subject to a subpoena. Second, the smaller you are the *easier* it will be to satisfy the subpoena because you will likely *know* the target personally. Your network architecture will be important but CALEA does not permit the LEAs to require to have to significantly modify your network. Read the FAQ. If someone has better information on how a small ISP can become CALEA compliant in a cost effective manner, please contact me as I am all ears. If there is better information or a defined solution being presented on the WISPA member list, I am more than willing to pay membership dues to access it. If there isn't a better solution being discussed there, I would just as well save the due money as it will probably not be long before we are out of business or sell to a larger competitor and the membership will be useless. Save the dues money. It will probably be all you need to become compliant. :( || I personally do not believe that any CALEA can be cost effective. Quite || simply, solving CALEA requires spending money without earning any || additional revenue. The only way to justify the CALEA expense is to accept || it as a cost of doing business. This means simply that your market || opportunity is lost if you aren't CALEA compliant. I firmly believe every || service provider should have plans for being CALEA compliant or have plans || for exiting the business. This one is different than E911; the liability || will be staggering. If you did not file your 477, why not? If you want a voice with the FCC they need to know we exist. The FCC states that they have only had about 400 wireless ISPs file their 477s. There is also a pretty good estimate that there are about 4000 wireless ISPs. If we want the FCC to listen to us as much as they listen to the ILECs, we need to make as much noise as the ILEC's. If we prove to them that we don't care what they do (and not filing that 477 speaks volumes in that regard), what are they to do? People, CALEA is not going to kill your business. Read the FAQ. Discuss the FAQ. This ripping of the vestments and beating of the breasts is for
Re: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
These are very nice switches (SMCGS24C-SMART), and probably solve the Calea requirement. But I hate the new trend of WEB Switch, they are designed for LANs not Service Providers. They do away with Telnet access :-( When sitting in front of a Linux console or a network under a DOS attack, Telnet quickly becomes essential for remote access. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ty Carter Lightwave Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch Try the SMCGS24C-SMART. It is really inexpensive, will give you 10/100/1000 ports X 24, plus has 4 pluggable fiber ports for expansion. Granted I bought mine from distribution (Techdata) but I paid less than $219.00 for my switch and it will do port mirroring and the whole nine yardsand mine had the mounting ears in the box. The newegg.com offers don't include the mounting hardware. HTH If anyone is interested I will afford you this same switch at cost, plus shipping, just let me know. Ty Carter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch The basic parts you'll need are: Linux based router or tap capabilities on the on you have. OR a managed switch that will allow you to mirror a port. Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? Hopefully available at newegg.com. Putting together a Linux server is easy but my luck a good switch might be backordered when I need it. Matt Linux server with OpenCALEA and an FTP program on it. Knowledge of how to make it record and distribute the needed data for LEA. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mirrored Switch
On Tue, 1 May 2007 11:28:08 -0500 Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone reccommend a good switch that supports this and is rack mount? how about: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-26-Port-10-100-Gigabit-Managed-Network-Switch-24_W0QQitemZ120113415108QQihZ002QQcategoryZ67336QQcmdZViewItem Ed -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Posting limits?
I was simply thinking about unsubscribing from the public list tonight. I have not checked my list email in several days and I just think it's a bunch of BS myself. Any time one man can take over a list and every thread - - I am about done! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:07 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Posting limits? Is anyone else getting tired of sorting through the exhaustive amount of email we are getting on the public list? Much of it is good stuff but I think we see some people who are posting more than we need to all see. I am thinking we should consider a post count limit per day per person. I would like to hear feedback on this concept. Maybe a max of 5 posts per day? I think if we do this we might see the message count drop to a slightly lower amount and I personally think this would be good. The WISPA public list is becoming too much for me to digest each day. Just wondering what the rest of you think. Before someone jumps on this and finds that I have regularly posted more than this let me tell you that I already know this. I am going to try to self-regulate from now on whether the group agrees with this concept or not. If a post count per day limit is too limiting to everyone then perhaps we need to consider splitting up list subject matter into multiple lists and allowing people to be members on lists of varying themes. This public list is just becoming too large I think. Thoughts? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RE: Madcity muni report
What Madcity doesn't realize is my old employee Tony K is up there having a blast with his Canopy system It's like shooting prarie dogs -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:49 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] RE: Madcity muni report Why in heaven's name would Madison risk that much of a project on unproven equipment? What kind of track record does Cisco have in mesh? They must not have done a proof of concept area first. The 2000 sub initial sub number isn't believable anyway, though. Mesh take rates are nowhere near that high. Someone isn't putting out correct figures. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] EarthLink studying muni Wi-Fi business Speaking of limitations, I just read a scathing review of Madison's MadCity Broadband muni Wi-Fi project. The system was built by Cell Net and uses Cisco's mesh gear. See here: *http://tinyurl.com/yrz7cb* MadCity Broadband uses a wholesale model. One company, ResTech, signed up 2000 subscribers. All but 700 have cancelled. ResTech is pulling out, leaving Merr.com as the sole resale partner. *According to Galanter, Madison is a pioneer* in developing a citywide broadband system and a proving ground for the equipment, manufactured by Cisco Systems. It's all so new, she says. Cisco is using our experience to continue to improve the technology. And Madison's approach is unique - no two cities are thinking about it in the same way. I sure would hate to be a proving ground for Cisco! Best, -- Dylan Oliver -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC.
There is a distinction - The Community Wireless Summit is non-profit. Maybe it's me, but the Community Wireless Summit seems to be as non-profit as Part-15.org CUWiN owns and runs the non-profit (or not-profitable?) Community Wireless Summit Summit home page: (www.wirelesssummit.org redirects to http://www.cuwin.net/summit) What does CUWiN do: http://www.cuwin.net/about 1. Software Development 2. Wireless Consulting 3. Community Education Programming From http://www.cuwin.net/consulting#rates Our standard consulting rate is $120 per hour plus expenses. WiNOG is for-profit. Does or should this make a difference? Perhaps my problem is honesty...I do not hide the fact that I am working to make a decent living for my family by delivering a product / service that provides value to customers while earning me a fair profit for my efforts / entreprenuerism. That said, I understand and respect WISPA's need to charge for advertising, and I play by the rules AND HAVE PAID my vendor member dues for 2007. Perhaps it would be smarter for me to sneak behind a .org domain...that's just not me -Charles P.S. If it makes you feel better, you CAN go to www.winog.org --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
Now THAT's cool! marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops http://www.lindsaybroadbandinc.com/product.line/fleex/pdf/FreeSpaceOptics.pdf -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk My ankles are actually sexier than in that picture. I was recovering from a broken Tibia :-) (Pay back is tough Harnish!) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION
Time gets to the best of us, old man. Gets to me tomorrow too. Yuk yuk. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Mac Dearman wrote: Wise guy eh? Nyuk nyuk My ankles are actually sexier than in that picture. I was recovering from a broken Tibia :-) (Pay back is tough Harnish!) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:54 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] TRIVIA QUESTION What WISPA member is short, overweight, climbs towers, talks with an accent, writes with a unique flare, lost his hair, applies ointment to his tush on a regular basis and turns 45 tomorrow? Need a hint, open the attachment. It's a good thing his wife is a sweetheart. Dang this is fun. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance
Hi Ross, To your point below, it was actually the FBI's (and other law enforcement agencies(LEAs)) inability to do just what you describe that precipitated expanding CALEA to facilitates based broadband and interconnected VOIP providers. To date, every time law enforcement has shown up at one of our clients' doors, the intercept had to be handled on an individual case basis (ICB). Now if you think about the variety of broadband offerings (DSL, Cable, Fiber, Wireless, Satellite, Broadband over Power Lines, etc), the endless possible backbone configurations and vendor equipment choices, and then factor in the complexity and mobility of VOIP offerings from Skype to Vonnage, ect, you end-up with a situation where no one LEA can have a 'magic box' that they can drop into every environment that: 1.)collects evidence in a legally admissible manner 2.)protects the privacy of users that aren't targeted Because of this it isn't possible for the LEA to quickly get a intercept up and running in many environments and in time sensitive situations such as an Amber Alert or public safety emergency (i.e. - terrorism), this can be a serious impediment. You also have to remember that Law Enforcement's primary focus is Law Enforcement and not developing technology. The FBI/DEA/DOJ said as much when in 2004 they petitioned the FCC to expand CALEA to broadband and VoIP. Essentially, they argued that it isn't possible for them to keep up with the pace of technology. (By the way, this isn't an ability issue, the FBI and Secret Service, ect. have exceptionally talented teams. Instead it really is a resource issue; the number of staff they have to cover these issues can't cover the scale of the problem.) As a result of the FBI/DEA/DOJ request, the FCC posted a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) in August of 2004 seeking comment from all effected parties (industry, consumers, and law enforcement). In August of 2005 the FCC Released the First Report and Order and Further NPRM that outlined some of the FCC's ruling sought further comment on certain aspects the ruling. In May of 2006 the FCC's Second Order and Report on this issue finalized the expansion of CALEA to facilities based broadband providers and interconnected VoIP providers. Shortly thereafter in June 2006, the DC circuit court of appeals upheld FCC's CALEA Broadband Order in American Council on Education vs. FCC. Hope this helps. Tim Kery BearHill Security, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:40:06 -0500 From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Compliance To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I still would like to know the amount of incident that this CALEA will cause for all of its costs to our industry. Did anyone ask the FBI, why they cannot have several machines and deliver them as needed pre-configured then we can install them when they are needed. It is highly unreasonable for the FBI to ask everyone to have a utility and manage this utility when it will never be used by a very large portion of our industry. It is far cheaper for the government to sameday ship their device to us anywhere in the nation then it is to have everyone else trying to scramble to satisfy a need that will largely be an expensive dust collector in most businesses. Anyone know if this has been posed to the FBI. http://www.bearhill.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
NOW: Posting Announcements On-List WAS: [WISPA] Community Wireless Summit May 18-20, 2007 -- Washington, DC.
Charles, Maybe, but this is probably not the best place to discuss who is allowed to post announcements. It might be better if you just email the WISPA Board with your concerns and ask for clarification. As a vendor myself, I would also appreciate additional clarification. There has been a lot of contention on-list lately and it just seems a wise thing would be to avoid another contentious discussion on an issue that really only applies directly to a few folks. Hopefully, the Board will then publish a summary or a reminder here to provide guidance for the rest of us. Best Regards, jack Charles Wu wrote: There is a distinction - The Community Wireless Summit is non-profit. Maybe it's me, but the Community Wireless Summit seems to be as non-profit as Part-15.org CUWiN owns and runs the non-profit (or not-profitable?) Community Wireless Summit Summit home page: (www.wirelesssummit.org redirects to http://www.cuwin.net/summit) What does CUWiN do: http://www.cuwin.net/about 1. Software Development 2. Wireless Consulting 3. Community Education Programming From http://www.cuwin.net/consulting#rates Our standard consulting rate is $120 per hour plus expenses. WiNOG is for-profit. Does or should this make a difference? Perhaps my problem is honesty...I do not hide the fact that I am working to make a decent living for my family by delivering a product / service that provides value to customers while earning me a fair profit for my efforts / entreprenuerism. That said, I understand and respect WISPA's need to charge for advertising, and I play by the rules AND HAVE PAID my vendor member dues for 2007. Perhaps it would be smarter for me to sneak behind a .org domain...that's just not me -Charles P.S. If it makes you feel better, you CAN go to www.winog.org --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification Assistance for Wireless Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no equivalent to a switched network. There you have it. We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven a total lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll be happy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meet the definition of compliance but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face serious financial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat for them. For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting that defending right and good was no longer allowed by a mature industry, defining mature as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of our forefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not just during speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERY aspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, and educational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves against overreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience or convenience or ingratiating ourselves with those in power, then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just public stances. I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT. I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating and thought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gone along. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turned down...and I got to live and work the highest ideals. Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand each other. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there. Later, folks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
