Re: [WISPA] MikroTik FCC
Mikrotik's certification of the R52 with outdoor antennas is an important step on the road to being able to build and certify a MT system however it is just the first step. Using the R52 with any of the antennas that it has been certified with will help a company obtain certification of a complete AP or CPE at a lower cost than running through the complete certification process because testing the R52 with these antennas does not have to be re-done by the test lab. In order to have Mikrotik gear that is FCC certified, the R52 still needs to be submitted as part of a complete unit and the remaining tests need to be performed before an FCC ID (Grant) will be issued thereby making the gear legal. Also, the Mikrotik software must dis-allow use on non-U.S. frequencies which the stock MT software does not currently do. jack Mac Dearman wrote: Travis, Excuse the copy paste from an earlier post I made - but here is what copied. I thought I would share some of MikroTik's FCC certified gear with the list. These configurations were tested by Rogers Labs, Inc back in July and made available on the FCC site months ago along with their FCC certification. John Tully also stated this morning that there is more certifications covering more antennas Routerboards in the very near future. Looks like PacWireless was a HUGE portion of antenna choice!! Thanks MikroTik!! Model: R52 2412.0-2462.0 and 5740.0 - 5840.0 MHz 12 dBi Omni Directional OD24- 12 dBi Omni Directional OD58-12 13 dBi Omni Directional ODH24-13 17 dBi Sector SA24-90-17-WB 17 dBi Sector SA5-90-17-WB 19 dBi Panel PA24-19 24 dBi Panel PA58-24 28 dBi Grid GD5W-28 24 dBi Dish DC24HDPF1P-EZ 32 dBi Dish DA5W-32P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik FCC Hi, I thought a little while ago someone was talking about someone that was working on making an FCC certified Mikrotik solution (RB532, etc.). Does anyone know the status on this or if it was even real? Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm Two towers, one was brand new, and not fully utilized. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:53 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Tornado I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 00025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tornado
I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've used the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time. They are EZ and they work great as mentioned. - Luke - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago. They are great! Blair Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We just use the ez-400-nmh. Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the center pin. Just crimp the outside ring. I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all needed. I'll see how it goes. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400. I saw several part numbers, Specifically... EZ-400-NMH-D EZ-400-NMK They were referenced as spring tipped versus captived or something like that. Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] From Today's WSJ
REVIEW OUTLOOK Purblind Auction February 7, 2008; Page A18 The Federal Communications Commission is bragging about its latest wireless auction, with total bids of more than $19 billion after two weeks. But dig beneath those numbers and the picture is less rosy. This wireless spectrum is on the market because of the transition to digital television broadcast. As of February 17, 2009, TVs without digital tuners or cable or satellite hook-ups will go dark, and a big swath of the airwaves will be free for other uses. This spectrum can transmit data over long distances and penetrates walls much better than most current wireless phone spectrum. [Kevin Martin] But FCC Chairman Kevin Martin wasn't content to sell this real estate to the highest bidder. Instead, he embarked on a central-planning experiment, setting aside the two biggest blocks for special uses. The FCC's procedures require blind, confidential bidding, so there is much about the auction that we won't know until it wraps up. But it already seems clear that Mr. Martin's rules have damaged the value of otherwise choice spectrum and are harming the overall auction. For example, the FCC restricted the single biggest spectrum license for a public-private public safety partnership. The idea was that someone would buy it to create a nationwide network for first responders -- fire and police departments and the like -- with secondary use as a commercial wireless network. But the main lobbyist for that spectrum, former FCC Chairman Reed Hundt's Frontline Wireless, closed up shop before the auction began. So far, this so-called D block of spectrum has attracted exactly one bid in 40 rounds, and that bid is less than $500 million -- well below the FCC's $1.3 billion reserve price. The FCC designated the next-biggest block -- the C block -- for open access at the urging of Google, among others. The C block is not only large, but it divides the country into eight large regional groups, with the possibility of bidding on all eight as a package. It should be a top prize. But it only passed its $4.6 billion reserve price late last week, and the reason is almost certainly the FCC's open access rule. That rule requires whoever wins to open the network to all compatible phones or software. If you're spending billions on spectrum and billions more building the network, the fact that the feds might force you to share your network means greater investment risk. The bidding bears this out. Of the $19 billion bid so far, nearly three-quarters has gone toward the smaller bits of spectrum in the A, B and E blocks. Building a national network by cobbling together hundreds of these bits is inefficient and risky, and it doesn't serve consumers, who would get faster service and more flexibility from the larger blocks. But there's more. The FCC made these small blocks to encourage start-ups and new entrants to bid for a piece of the next-generation wireless pie. If the conditions placed on the C and D blocks are driving the big established players into the smaller auctions, then the new, little guys may well be playing in the same sandbox with the big, bad incumbents. The FCC's previous experiments with rigging auctions also flopped; witness the NextWave bankruptcy, which tied up billions of dollars of spectrum for years. Mr. Martin will claim victory in the auction no matter what happens. But what we'll never know is how much would have been bid -- and thus how much more the Treasury would have received -- if Mr. Martin had auctioned this spectrum without his favors for special interests attached. Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
We witnessed this same thing while helping Mac Dearman and crew after Katrina. FEMA is definitely a more of a disservice to those in need than it is for providing assistance. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Williams Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday... There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies. Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance. The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT allow assistance efforts to happen. A phrase was coined ... that the government is more focused on protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid. Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response. They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort! Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. I nearly lost it. For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their response. I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY clearly not alive in our gov't. The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times. Something needs to be done about this... God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts. -Mark Williams On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio -towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300 025 48) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. --- - WISPA Wants You!
[WISPA] Google's telephony deal
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Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Jack Unger wrote: What make, model and height was the tower? It was unguyed, correct? It was a Universal HD8-100 (100' tower, unguyed). We have a dozen or more of these up, and have had for several years, and this is the first time we've had any incident like this. And a bunch of folks in town don't have roofs any longer, so don't hold it against Universal. They've been good towers, this one just had a bad day. Heck, we believe (on initial inspection) that about 2/3 of the sections will be usable as-is even though they fell down. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0839.JPG -- this section may not be usable, however http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0840.JPG -- whoops We're infinitely grateful that, as far as we're aware, nobody was seriously hurt or killed by this spot of nasty weather. A few folks have unplanned sunroofs but that's it. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
At least is wasn't your main tower!That sucks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com David E. Smith wrote: Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday... There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies. Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance. The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT allow assistance efforts to happen. A phrase was coined ... that the government is more focused on protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid. Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response. They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort! Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. I nearly lost it. For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their response. I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY clearly not alive in our gov't. The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times. Something needs to be done about this... God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts. -Mark Williams On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet
Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
I second that! That tool makes the EZ mean something :) - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors Just make sure you use the factory stripper. That little tool saves a LOT of time! Oh yeah, make sure you use the deburring tool. That's especially important on the EZ connectors. marlon - Original Message - From: Luke Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've used the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time. They are EZ and they work great as mentioned. - Luke - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago. They are great! Blair Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We just use the ez-400-nmh. Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the center pin. Just crimp the outside ring. I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all needed. I'll see how it goes. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400. I saw several part numbers, Specifically... EZ-400-NMH-D EZ-400-NMK They were referenced as spring tipped versus captived or something like that. Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors
Just make sure you use the factory stripper. That little tool saves a LOT of time! Oh yeah, make sure you use the deburring tool. That's especially important on the EZ connectors. marlon - Original Message - From: Luke Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors Though I am trying to eliminate the need for LMR runs these days, we've used the EZ-400 and 600 for quite some time. They are EZ and they work great as mentioned. - Luke - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I switched to the ez-400 a few months ago. They are great! Blair Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We just use the ez-400-nmh. Captive pin, no crimp or solder on the center pin. Just crimp the outside ring. I've also gotten some of the new screw together ones, no crimp at all needed. I'll see how it goes. marlon - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] EZ Times Connectors I was going to try out the Times EZ style connectors for LMR400. I saw several part numbers, Specifically... EZ-400-NMH-D EZ-400-NMK They were referenced as spring tipped versus captived or something like that. Anyone know the difference? What are preferred to use? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
What and how much wind loading was on the tower? Normally even if you are at the rated wind load and things are properly built there is still a safety margin the engineers build in to a structural design. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
I believe MT v3 has a new wireless driver that is better. I'm sure Star-OS has their own special mode for greater speed. Were you comparing this vs. MT's 802.11 or N-Streme (or both on 802.11)? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Wallace L. Walcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS We have a mixed Network of MT and Star-OS. Last summer, we did a detailed, in-office analysis of throughput between the two OS's, using exactly the same equipment (a couple of Mini-ITX boxes) and just changing out the CF cards to switch between them. StarOS won hands down. It wasn't even close. Since then, any expansion has been exclusively StarOS. We still use MT for our main router. I really like their queue system. My dream would be the MT bells and whistles with the StarOS wireless driver. Probably never happen, but if I were MT, I would make a pretty offer to StarOS to license it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
David, What make, model and height was the tower? It was unguyed, correct? jack David E. Smith wrote: Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Mark, Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be focused on meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm sure that the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble. I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to be a more compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the real human needs that people have. jack Mark Williams wrote: Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday... There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies. Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance. The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT allow assistance efforts to happen. A phrase was coined ... that the government is more focused on protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid. Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response. They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort! Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. I nearly lost it. For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their response. I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY clearly not alive in our gov't. The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times. Something needs to be done about this... God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts. -Mark Williams On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
[WISPA] FW: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008)
From: FCC477 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:03 PM To: FCC 477 Contact Subject: FCC Form 477 Reporting Reminder (Due March 3, 2008) Good afternoon, Since you were the contact person on a previous FCC Form 477 semi-annual filing, you are receiving this courtesy reminder about the upcoming filing, which is due no later than March 3, 2008. If you are not responsible for the upcoming Form 477 filing, we will appreciate you forwarding this message to the person in your organization who is responsible for completing this form. If your filing due March 3rd has already been submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please disregard this reminder. The form required for this filing is at http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xls http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477.xls and the detailed reporting instructions are at http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477instr.pdf. The required Certification Statement is at http://www.fcc.gov/wcb/iatd/form477/certificationstatement.pdf or can be found on page 14 of the instructions file. A set of frequently asked questions (FAQs) is available at http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html http://www.fcc.gov/broadband/broadband_data_faq.html. IMPORTANT REMINDERS FOR FCC FORM 477 FILERS: 1) If you do not see your holding company name listed within the drop-down list for Cover Page question #3 or if your holding company name has changed or edits need to be made to the holding company name, please contact Suzanne Mendez via email at mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] or directly by phone at (202) 418-0941.Please use the drop-down box to select the appropriate holding company name. This will make it easier for all affiliated entities to use exactly the same name - including punctuation - when answering Cover Page question #3. 2) For spreadsheet rows where you are reporting data in Form 477 column (a), please be sure to completely answer all the other Form 477 questions across that row - for example, Form 477 questions (b) through (j) in Part I.A and in Part II of the form - placing a 0% in data cells where a zero applies versus leaving that data cell blank. But keep in mind that you may leave the entire row blank if the correct answer to Form 477 column (a) is zero. 3) If a revised Form 477 is submitted after the filing due date of March 3, 2008, it should not show Original Filing as the answer to Cover Page question #7. Instead, that answer should be changed from Original Filing to Revised Filing1. Please make note of the Example filename provided on the Cover Page and save the form using the filename as indicated by the Example. 4) Please note that incumbent local exchange carriers that are reselling satellite services via WildBlue, Hughes, or StarBand, are not supposed to report these lines in Part I, Line 6, (Satellite). Instead, please note these lines in the Comments section in Part IV of FCC Form 477. If you have any questions about how to complete and/or file Form 477 after you have reviewed the reporting instructions and Form 477 FAQs, or if you are not able to download the form, please direct your questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to a member of the FCC Form 477 Team at (202) 418-0940. Thank you. Sincerely, Suzanne Mendez FCC Form 477 Team Member WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Who is the the strongest? Is it Man or is it Mother Nature? http://www.esri.com/news/arcnews/spring01articles/spring01gifs/p20p2.jpg http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/photos/w329banktor1.jpgimgrefurl=http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/wtorn328a.htmh=249w=199sz=27hl=enstart=356tbnid=2_P4skpBUnU6dM:tbnh=111tbnw=89prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtornado%2Bdamage%26start%3D336%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2000/photos/w329banktor1.jpg http://static.flickr.com/44/190036339_262ac2d690.jpg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local. How about multi story buildings? We do see leveled homes, but I have never seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled. Does it happen/has it happened? Walter -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-two-radio-towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Just a FYI, remember the red cross was down helping people who were protesting that trail . They were giving water, food, shelter, and medical treatment to those who showed up to PROTEST . I understand the right to protest. Great. But why is the Red Cross helping these people. Its like them helping us cause we showed up at ISPCON! I know a number of people who donate Tens of Thousands per year, STOP because of this. Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Sometimes the Red Cross is not much better. On Feb 7, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Without getting political...I'm not sure government is the right vehicle for this sort of job...no matter who is running the show. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Mark, Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be focused on meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm sure that the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble. I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to be a more compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the real human needs that people have. jack Mark Williams wrote: Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday... There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies. Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance. The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT allow assistance efforts to happen. A phrase was coined ... that the government is more focused on protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid. Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response. They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort! Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. I nearly lost it. For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their response. I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY clearly not alive in our gov't. The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times. Something needs to be done about this... God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts. -Mark Williams On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado- destroyed-t
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Was this tower guyed??? How tall is/was it??? Nice site install though On Feb 7, 2008, at 3:10 PM, David E. Smith wrote: Okay, less FEMA politics and more disaster pictures. http://images.bureau42.com/sa/blrv08/SANY0837.JPG (This was from Tuesday evening. We were nowhere near any tornadoes, as far as I know, just 50-60mph winds.) David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Leave the tools, we're out of here... http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Breaking%20News Rafman On Feb 7, 2008 9:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 -- - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Rafmanne -- Appomattox Tower Project Construction videos Article: http://www.tic.virginia.gov/pdfs/pressreleases/New%20Internet%20service%20launched%20by%20BridgeMAXX%20in%20Appomattox.pdf =-=-=-= No job is so important, and no service is so urgent that we cannot take the time to do it safely. -- Ernie Crabb - ATT Long Lines - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xiZxQV-jFI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
For some close-ups scroll down the page and click on any of the images, this is what we walked into. http://www.computeam.com/services/disaster_recovery/ We had to recover equipment for several of our IT clients. Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:23 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado A quick search on the tornado that ripped through Fort Worth came up with this: http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/tornado.htm I was standing outside watching the sky when this happened. The tornado touched down about 2 miles east of me...really was a mess. Pictures don't do it justice. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:52 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local. How about multi story buildings? We do see leveled homes, but I have never seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled. Does it happen/has it happened? Walter -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 00025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Without getting political...I'm not sure government is the right vehicle for this sort of job...no matter who is running the show. Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Mark, Thanks for your report. I'm sorry that FEMA does not seem to be focused on meeting the real needs that people have. On the other hand, I'm sure that the FEMA lockdown did a good job of keeping Al Quida terrorists from potentially entering the disaster area to cause trouble. I hope that our new President (whoever that may be) will prove to be a more compassionate leader who will be able to motivates FEMA (and for that mattter, our whole government) to once again focus on meeting the real human needs that people have. jack Mark Williams wrote: Myself and many others responded to Adkins, Arkansas yesterday... There was a great outpouring of volunteers, equipment, and supplies. Quite literally dump trucks, tractor trailers, and many more pickups w/ trailers hauling in various dozers, back hoes, materials, food / water etc. for clean up and disaster assistance. The FEMA administrators had the place in TOTAL lock down. They would NOT allow assistance efforts to happen. A phrase was coined ... that the government is more focused on protecting its rights to be government, than it is on assisting the coordination of REAL assistance and aid. Frankly, that statement sums up the debacle that is FEMA response. They completely HALTED a 100% volunteer relief effort! Then they requested that what was REALLY needed was CAMPING GEAR. I nearly lost it. For those who are not familiar, in Mena / Hope Arkansas there are literally HUNDREDS OF SQUARE ACRES of FEMA trailers and RVs parked and rotting to pieces thanks to FEMA's lame ass efforts to aid Katrina victims. Logically, if they needed housing, it would have been as easy as requesting the volunteers on hand to organize a convoy of trucks to drive to Mena / Hope and pickup the trailers and deliver them to Adkins / Clinton, etc. BUT ALAS, FEMA is not logical in their response. I came away from the experience feeling REALLY good about the American Spirit, it is clearly alive and well with in our people, but VERY clearly not alive in our gov't. The long term effects of such high handedness by FEMA will be disastrous, those who would typically respond will become complacent and apathetic and will no longer respond, because after all the Govt will handle it right? Sad times America, sad times. Something needs to be done about this... God Bless those whom are in dire need and I pray that things change rapidly. Unfortunately the media crews that were on location had no interest in pointing out the FEMA blockade AGAINST relief efforts. -Mark Williams On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 09:30 -0600, Scottie Arnett wrote: Sorry to reply to my own post, but we service the Macon County Tennessee area that was hardest hit. We have a POP there for dial-up, but have not entered that market with our wireless yet. Lots of destruction. The tornado set down and traveled 25 miles or more without ever lifting. Base ranged from 100 to 400 yards. Rated at an F2 this morning by whoever rates them. Most power and telephones had been restored as of late last night. Of little importance, none of our equipment was damaged. My heart and prayers to the folks that lost homes and loved ones. I know this type of tornadoes hit the mid west all the time, but we were not prepared to see it hit as hard as it did in Tennessee. Never been that bad here before. -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:22:08 -0600 Memphis Tennessee, Tuesday: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/06/tornado-destroyed-t wo-radio-towers-used-several-st/ Main tower hub for communications knocked down. -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolc mp00300025 48) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local. How about multi story buildings? We do see leveled homes, but I have never seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled. Does it happen/has it happened? Walter -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
A quick search on the tornado that ripped through Fort Worth came up with this: http://www.fortwortharchitecture.com/tornado.htm I was standing outside watching the sky when this happened. The tornado touched down about 2 miles east of me...really was a mess. Pictures don't do it justice. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:52 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tornado Okay-so towers do come down but news coverage of it is pretty local. How about multi story buildings? We do see leveled homes, but I have never seen a 4-5-6+ story building for example with damage or leveled. Does it happen/has it happened? Walter -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:53:25 EST I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003 00025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Kentucky Decides Against Funneling Tax Money to Telcos
Connect Kentucky has suffered a rare legislative setback, deciding not to go ahead with a bill that would have redirected tax receipts from the state treasury to telephone companies as a way of paying for the buildout of broadband http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1382 -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
[WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
Redback routers are very very good at what they do (PPPoX subscriber aggregation) I am not aware of something equivalent in the PC / OpenSource world. Not to side step your question, but what kind of Hardware Failure is causing the 'emergency'. We use Redback routers for our DSL subs, and have plenty of spare equipment on hand. It that can help you any, please feel free to contact me. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. Attached is our current CPU usage. -Eric rabbtux rabbtux wrote: All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas, and got 35meg with -70 or so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
Also, if you need help with Redback, just ask around. There's a lot of people with a lot of experience with those guys. Faisal from SnappyDSL who posted earlier could point you in the right direction and hook you up with plenty of spare hardware and setup information if desired. Clint Ricker -Kentis Technologies On Feb 7, 2008 10:24 PM, Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik. It's good for what it is, but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility. It's not exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it. It's fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this. Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware running Mikrotik. However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way to go. If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance). Price wise, Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment for. Plus, you get _good_ hardware. Not throw CPU cycles at it and keep some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good; I mean swap out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any downtime sort of good. Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when you can't get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost. That's not the case in this situation... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :). I realize people here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes. However, in terms of field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a very solid and scalable platform. On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. Attached is our current CPU usage. -Eric rabbtux rabbtux wrote: All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
We have tested 2600 PPPoE sessions with a PoweRouter 732. This with ONE core on only.. Plus, it includes 7 GigE interfaces. Rackmount etc.. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 04:22:19PM -0800, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Redback should be good stuff, if they didn't get one that someone drug out of a dumpster. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? I have heard of 8,000 sessions terminated on a Cisco 7200VXR with an NPE-G1. I currently have just over 1,700 PPPoEoATM sessions on our used VXR doing about 28Mbps of DSL traffic and our backhaul running about 50Mbps for all of our services (DSL/Wireless/Hosting/Dialup) and it's not working hard. To do that on a PC, with as high an expectation of reliability, I'd probably have spent close to the same amount of money to get high grade, highly redundant parts. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
5.3GHz 40MHz channel, 1.5 miles. WAR4-METRO/SR5 inside 24dbi RooTennas. Testing beyond each ethernet port. 2 weeks non-stop stress-testing after we installed and before we deployed gave us 70 megs one way. The MRTG graph looked like a solid block without any deviation. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable)
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have several GOOD hardware products out there. The 1000 is going to be a contender. Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance, don't think you can go wrong. A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732. There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare. Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco. The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours. And I bet the 1000 is about the same. There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores right now. I think in the next year or two there will be some serious contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share. The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price. But as you said, lets not get started on a yours is better than mine war. Not the point of the conversation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik. It's good for what it is, but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility. It's not exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it. It's fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this. Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware running Mikrotik. However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way to go. If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance). Price wise, Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment for. Plus, you get _good_ hardware. Not throw CPU cycles at it and keep some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good; I mean swap out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any downtime sort of good. Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when you can't get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost. That's not the case in this situation... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :). I realize people here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes. However, in terms of field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a very solid and scalable platform. On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. Attached is our current CPU usage. -Eric rabbtux rabbtux wrote: All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Tornado
Even some of the old ATT towers were knocked down by tornados. Bloomfield MO, Huntsville AR were a couple. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tornado I have a question for someone in the 'T' zones. You see the destructive force of them and how devastating they can be but I have never seen/heard of them wiping out a broadcasting tower or a multi story building. Does this happen? Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300025 48) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
What this author so quickly forgets is, Spectrum is to serve the public interest not the treasury's pocket. And the Public pays more, when the providers pay more for spectrum. The auctiioon clearly will be a victory, if it means more than one or tow big companies get a peice. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ REVIEW OUTLOOK Purblind Auction February 7, 2008; Page A18 The Federal Communications Commission is bragging about its latest wireless auction, with total bids of more than $19 billion after two weeks. But dig beneath those numbers and the picture is less rosy. This wireless spectrum is on the market because of the transition to digital television broadcast. As of February 17, 2009, TVs without digital tuners or cable or satellite hook-ups will go dark, and a big swath of the airwaves will be free for other uses. This spectrum can transmit data over long distances and penetrates walls much better than most current wireless phone spectrum. [Kevin Martin] But FCC Chairman Kevin Martin wasn't content to sell this real estate to the highest bidder. Instead, he embarked on a central-planning experiment, setting aside the two biggest blocks for special uses. The FCC's procedures require blind, confidential bidding, so there is much about the auction that we won't know until it wraps up. But it already seems clear that Mr. Martin's rules have damaged the value of otherwise choice spectrum and are harming the overall auction. For example, the FCC restricted the single biggest spectrum license for a public-private public safety partnership. The idea was that someone would buy it to create a nationwide network for first responders -- fire and police departments and the like -- with secondary use as a commercial wireless network. But the main lobbyist for that spectrum, former FCC Chairman Reed Hundt's Frontline Wireless, closed up shop before the auction began. So far, this so-called D block of spectrum has attracted exactly one bid in 40 rounds, and that bid is less than $500 million -- well below the FCC's $1.3 billion reserve price. The FCC designated the next-biggest block -- the C block -- for open access at the urging of Google, among others. The C block is not only large, but it divides the country into eight large regional groups, with the possibility of bidding on all eight as a package. It should be a top prize. But it only passed its $4.6 billion reserve price late last week, and the reason is almost certainly the FCC's open access rule. That rule requires whoever wins to open the network to all compatible phones or software. If you're spending billions on spectrum and billions more building the network, the fact that the feds might force you to share your network means greater investment risk. The bidding bears this out. Of the $19 billion bid so far, nearly three-quarters has gone toward the smaller bits of spectrum in the A, B and E blocks. Building a national network by cobbling together hundreds of these bits is inefficient and risky, and it doesn't serve consumers, who would get faster service and more flexibility from the larger blocks. But there's more. The FCC made these small blocks to encourage start-ups and new entrants to bid for a piece of the next-generation wireless pie. If the conditions placed on the C and D blocks are driving the big established players into the smaller auctions, then the new, little guys may well be playing in the same sandbox with the big, bad incumbents. The FCC's previous experiments with rigging auctions also flopped; witness the NextWave bankruptcy, which tied up billions of dollars of spectrum for years. Mr. Martin will claim victory in the auction no matter what happens. But what we'll never know is how much would have been bid -- and thus how much more the Treasury would have received -- if Mr. Martin had auctioned this spectrum without his favors for special interests attached. Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
Thanks everyone! It sounds like suggesting an MT-PC based solution to my new upstream provider would not be productive in this situation. Sounds like 2000 sessions really requires a serious solution. I would not want to suggest something like this and have my customers suffer for it. Thanks again. On Feb 7, 2008 9:43 PM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have several GOOD hardware products out there. The 1000 is going to be a contender. Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance, don't think you can go wrong. A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732. There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare. Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco. The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours. And I bet the 1000 is about the same. There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores right now. I think in the next year or two there will be some serious contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share. The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price. But as you said, lets not get started on a yours is better than mine war. Not the point of the conversation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik. It's good for what it is, but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility. It's not exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it. It's fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this. Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware running Mikrotik. However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way to go. If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance). Price wise, Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment for. Plus, you get _good_ hardware. Not throw CPU cycles at it and keep some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good; I mean swap out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any downtime sort of good. Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when you can't get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost. That's not the case in this situation... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :). I realize people here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes. However, in terms of field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a very solid and scalable platform. On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. Attached is our current CPU usage. -Eric rabbtux rabbtux wrote: All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
