Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection
It shouldn't since your wired and wireless cards have different mac addresses. -Original Message- From: Tom Warfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection Not true. I am always connected to both. -Original Message- From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:42 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] RSTP problems with simultaneous WiFi + wired connection A friend told me that if a computer wifi connection supports RSTP, and if I'm, say, logged on a wired network *and* logged on one of my wireless network devices that I could create some sort of RSTP disaster (a loop, perhaps?) I'm not quite sure I understand this and was hoping someone here might point me in the right direction to understanding. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:09 AM, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner True... One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I'm particularly interested in the single radio vs multi radio benefits / disadvantages. I come from an IP background, so this new RF stuff is difficult to me, and the only way I can really make sense of it all is to sometimes translate it to hub/switch design, which sometimes gets you along initially, but usually that analogy breaks down eventually... I didn't make this a specific question, as I'm more interested in getting a general idea of the landscape and players in that landscape. I'm still getting used to the RF alphabet soup. Any pointers you guys could give me to help with that would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Wow... we have been profitable for the last 10 years (growing 10-15% per year in net profit) and we only have 200 subs per employee. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
When you are continuously profitable? Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
I would say that ARPU per employee would be a better metric cause in Chuck case, he has tons of subs with low ARPU, In our case, we have hundreds of subs with a higher ARPU ( avg $170) ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Yeah, we charge $29.95, first month free and a free install in most cases. - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? I would say that ARPU per employee would be a better metric cause in Chuck case, he has tons of subs with low ARPU, In our case, we have hundreds of subs with a higher ARPU ( avg $170) ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
When the owner(s) can make a decent living and stop pouring money sweat. Figure a path to this outcome IN YOUR MARKET and get there. Once there, your WISP will be successful, Grasshopper... Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
www.linktechs.net Rogelio wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 5:09 AM, John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you need someone to help you should tell us what the application is and where you need help. There are plenty of good people here who can help you once the requirements are more well defined.. John Scrivner True... One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am looking for info on what works (and doesn't work) on each one. I'm particularly interested in the single radio vs multi radio benefits / disadvantages. I come from an IP background, so this new RF stuff is difficult to me, and the only way I can really make sense of it all is to sometimes translate it to hub/switch design, which sometimes gets you along initially, but usually that analogy breaks down eventually... I didn't make this a specific question, as I'm more interested in getting a general idea of the landscape and players in that landscape. I'm still getting used to the RF alphabet soup. Any pointers you guys could give me to help with that would be greatly appreciated! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC might regulate if and how ISPs can throttle Internet traffic.
We need more volunteer ism from this group. A lot of us are here just reading the list getting good ideas and advice and not really doing much to contribute to wispa as an association or industry group. Here is a situation where the feds are going to add regulation to your business. You, me, we, are going to have to now start being told what we can and can not do. How to operate our networks and systems. This is bad, we for the most part, have been in an unregulated industry with no ball and chains of the bureaucracy. We've been free to do what we want any way we want it. Are we doing anything about this? Why not? Because not enough people have stepped up to get involved and help out. WISPA needs your help and participation. We have created various committees to handle issues or projects. Some committees are extremely helpful and successful while others are pretty much weak because there isn't enough people helping. One committee is the FCC committee. It's been weak with volunteer ism and activity. There's hardly anyone there to do anything. If there was more people contributing, we would have the ability to do more. Soon WISPA will be sending a group to meet with the FCC. Have any of you spoken up and conveyed your thoughts on what we should be discussing with the FCC? How many of you know who is the committee chair for WISPA's FCC Committee? Do you know what we will be discussing with the FCC? The time is now to get active. Please step up and get involved. Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the new FCC committee chair. Email him for access to the FCC committee. WISPA needs your help Sincerely George We are here facing these problems because of a failure of FCC policy, said Stanford Law Professor Lawrence Lessig. The FCC has failed to make it absolutely clear that network owners, if they're building the Internet, have to make it absolutely open. Martin hinted the FCC might fashion an order to regulate if and how ISPs can throttle Internet traffic. He said ISPs must adequately disclose their practices and should not discriminate on an application or protocol basis. There must be adequate disclosure by the network operators of the particular traffic-management tools being used, Martin said, not only to consumers, but to the designers of various applications and to entrepreneurs. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080418/tc_nf/59366;_ylt=Ah8zBvr.BIIg7JyliYe7WXj6VbIF WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] -- the ISPs were not around to listen.
A man who wanted to share old music with friends, a representative from the Christian Coalition of America, film and music industry representatives, and a group of angry grandmothers showed up for a hearing on network management practices, but those who manage the networks did not. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20080419/tc_cmp/207400668;_ylt=Aj7BtiECX4xS0wtp8dAGI1X6VbIF --- The Federal Communications Commission's hearing at Stanford Thursday was a chance for the public to vent frustrations at Comcast's and other Internet service providers' network-management practices, but -- unlike at a similar hearing in February -- the ISPs were not around to listen. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080418/tc_nf/59366;_ylt=Arj_hh0JuykDF09wy0o84FP6VbIF -- How come us little guys were not there or invited? Why did the FCC not ask WISPA to come and talk to them, they invited Comcast, ATT, and other big operators. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] -- the ISPs were not around to listen.
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, George Rogato wrote: A man who wanted to share old music with friends, a representative from the Christian Coalition of America, film and music industry representatives, and a group of angry grandmothers showed up for a hearing on network management practices, but those who manage the networks did not. From that first article posted: **QUOTE** They include Stanford University law professor Lawrence Lessig, a software quality engineer who raised the issue after being unable to share barbershop quartet songs with friends, and Michele Combs, who said the Christian Coalition was upset that Comcast had blocked customers from sharing parts of the Bible over the Internet. Like others supporting stronger network neutrality measures, she said she feared that ISPs could block information in favor of its own content. **END QUOTE** The law professor is complaining because he could not share songs with friends? I wonder if he owns the distribution rights to those songs? Interestingly enough, that wasn't in the article. As for the Christian Coalition being upset that Comcast had blocked customers from sharing parts of the Bible, is completely stupid. Comcast did no such thing. Their sharing via bittorrent simply got mixed in with all the other sharing (including PORN) and was blocked. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm fed up with this stupidity. I don't run a network today, but I think I will start one just so I can block p2p. SHEESH! When will these people get a life! By the way, folks, if you don't get the sense that Michael Copps and Ken Martin are the enemy here, you better read those articles again. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Wired or Wireless Networks* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?
That's a great question Rogelio. Tough but very good. I'd say that the best way to do it is to ask questions like you are. Find out who is happy with whoever they hired. I still think that one of the best people to hire is another wisp. One that's been at this game for a while and has a company that's on the grow and not loosing money hand over fist. I'm sure there might be one out there but I've yet to hear good stories from the professional consulting side of things. If someone's been happy with one please do tell. I used to do a lot of consulting. Nowadays I'm so busy building the company that I haven't had time to drum up consulting work. I'm happy to help though. And I've traveled as far as South Africa. grin As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from anywhere in the world. You want a top notch guy that can help you decide where best to put towers, what technologies to use and what YOUR customer base is likely to actually pay for. Ask more questions here and we can do a much better job of pointing you in the right direction. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators? Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. My questions are (1) How do you find good wireless VARs, particularly ones with the right mix of networking and RF skills? AND (2) Can you recommend any good ones to me, particularly ones who are willing to travel? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
$24.95 is our lowest cost package. Free install most of the time. One free month. No more than 128 subscribers per AP. Fiber or Dragonwave from most APs to the NOC. But we also have full match 401K, full pay for spouse and family health insurance, profit sharing, PTO, company vehicles that are taken home, generous xmas bonus' etc etc. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
The one that causes the income to surpass the expenses! For us that was 300ish. Now we're over 400 and things are really starting to look good. We're going to be able to really go after all of our old credit card debt. marlon - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Gee can I come work for you? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? $24.95 is our lowest cost package. Free install most of the time. One free month. No more than 128 subscribers per AP. Fiber or Dragonwave from most APs to the NOC. But we also have full match 401K, full pay for spouse and family health insurance, profit sharing, PTO, company vehicles that are taken home, generous xmas bonus' etc etc. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] -- the ISPs were not around to listen.
You are exactly right. I can show you numerous instances where they are in bed with the telcos too!! -- Original Message -- From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:28:59 -0500 (CDT) By the way, folks, if you don't get the sense that Michael Copps and Ken Martin are the enemy here, you better read those articles again. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] -- the ISPs were not around to listen.
How many WISPs even knew about this? I don't remember hearing about it. marlon - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: [WISPA] -- the ISPs were not around to listen. A man who wanted to share old music with friends, a representative from the Christian Coalition of America, film and music industry representatives, and a group of angry grandmothers showed up for a hearing on network management practices, but those who manage the networks did not. http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20080419/tc_cmp/207400668;_ylt=Aj7BtiECX4xS0wtp8dAGI1X6VbIF --- The Federal Communications Commission's hearing at Stanford Thursday was a chance for the public to vent frustrations at Comcast's and other Internet service providers' network-management practices, but -- unlike at a similar hearing in February -- the ISPs were not around to listen. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080418/tc_nf/59366;_ylt=Arj_hh0JuykDF09wy0o84FP6VbIF -- How come us little guys were not there or invited? Why did the FCC not ask WISPA to come and talk to them, they invited Comcast, ATT, and other big operators. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Wow full page ads with them bashing your company name? That sucks. How long did it take you to go from the dozen subs to what you have built it up to now? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
5 years. I took it as an honor to be bashed by a nationwide publicly traded company. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Wow full page ads with them bashing your company name? That sucks. How long did it take you to go from the dozen subs to what you have built it up to now? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
That's a great story Chuck. I love to see people make it in our industry. By make it I mean grow, big and fast. Very cool stuff. marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. Yuk. Aren't you a small telco yourself though? Another question. Where and how do you get your bandwidth being a small telco? Any discounts being a telco? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Chuck, You didn't take into account the receptionists, accounting people, technical support (for email, DNS problems, etc.), supervisors, tower climbers, etc. Also, you didn't quite start out the same as the rest of us (because you gave away your first install time by saying "SM"). Our first install was a Lucent ISA 900mhz card running in a 386 PC with "BrouteIt" software in 1997. ;) Also, aren't you part of a telephone company? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown - 2" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
No discounts. I will go to jail if there is any cross subsidization. We go to extreme lengths to prove in an audit worthy fashion that our rate payers on the regulated side are not footing any part of the bill for our unregulated operations. The WISP is owned by myself and the founder of the telco 50/50. We both tossed about $150K in to get this thing started. For the most part, separate employees, buildings, offices etc. Not a lot is shared. We get most of our BW directly from Level 3. GigE. We lease BW on a fiber to get to our NOC. - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. Yuk. Aren't you a small telco yourself though? Another question. Where and how do you get your bandwidth being a small telco? Any discounts being a telco? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
But it's possible for the WISP to buy "wholesale" from the telco side, thus robbing Peter to pay Paul... right? Who is the telco that transports the Level3 to your NOC on the fiber? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: No discounts. I will go to jail if there is any cross subsidization. We go to extreme lengths to prove in an audit worthy fashion that our rate payers on the regulated side are not footing any part of the bill for our unregulated operations. The WISP is owned by myself and the founder of the telco 50/50. We both tossed about $150K in to get this thing started. For the most part, separate employees, buildings, offices etc. Not a lot is shared. We get most of our BW directly from Level 3. GigE. We lease BW on a fiber to get to our NOC. - Original Message - From: "Matt" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. Yuk. Aren't you a small telco yourself though? Another question. Where and how do you get your bandwidth being a small telco? Any discounts being a telco? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
The telco can not offer any discriminatory or off tariff rates to us or anyone else. We own the fiber from Level 3 to our NOC. Our Wisp pays tariffed rates for the transport. No free lunch here folks. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? But it's possible for the WISP to buy wholesale from the telco side, thus robbing Peter to pay Paul... right? Who is the telco that transports the Level3 to your NOC on the fiber? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: No discounts. I will go to jail if there is any cross subsidization. We go to extreme lengths to prove in an audit worthy fashion that our rate payers on the regulated side are not footing any part of the bill for our unregulated operations. The WISP is owned by myself and the founder of the telco 50/50. We both tossed about $150K in to get this thing started. For the most part, separate employees, buildings, offices etc. Not a lot is shared. We get most of our BW directly from Level 3. GigE. We lease BW on a fiber to get to our NOC. - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. Yuk. Aren't you a small telco yourself though? Another question. Where and how do you get your bandwidth being a small telco? Any discounts being a telco? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
We hire the front office and accounting from another related company on a service bureau basis. Our installers are our tower climbers. We hire a call center for tech support. We have two NOC guys on a full time basis. When I say started out like the rest of you, I started one customer at a time. Grass roots. Word of mouth advertising is what made us what we are. The telco relationship acutually hurts in the amount of extreme extra bookeeping we go to to prove that we are not getting any advantage of the relationship. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Chuck, You didn't take into account the receptionists, accounting people, technical support (for email, DNS problems, etc.), supervisors, tower climbers, etc. Also, you didn't quite start out the same as the rest of us (because you gave away your first install time by saying SM). Our first install was a Lucent ISA 900mhz card running in a 386 PC with BrouteIt software in 1997. ;) Also, aren't you part of a telephone company? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
And we only have 1000 telco customers. The WISP is a far larger operation. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? We hire the front office and accounting from another related company on a service bureau basis. Our installers are our tower climbers. We hire a call center for tech support. We have two NOC guys on a full time basis. When I say started out like the rest of you, I started one customer at a time. Grass roots. Word of mouth advertising is what made us what we are. The telco relationship acutually hurts in the amount of extreme extra bookeeping we go to to prove that we are not getting any advantage of the relationship. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Chuck, You didn't take into account the receptionists, accounting people, technical support (for email, DNS problems, etc.), supervisors, tower climbers, etc. Also, you didn't quite start out the same as the rest of us (because you gave away your first install time by saying SM). Our first install was a Lucent ISA 900mhz card running in a 386 PC with BrouteIt software in 1997. ;) Also, aren't you part of a telephone company? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: I have one taking care of 600. He works about 2 installs a day and 2 troubles a day. The growth is pretty flat in that town. I have another area where there are a few more and we have 2 installers and the growth is pretty steady. I have 6 installers taking care of 4000 in another area. They are hardly breaking a sweat. So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. The question was when does a wisp become successful. Successful to me means about 25% ROI annually. No debt. 50% market share. Successful to you might mean that your WISP makes your mortgage payement for you as a part time venture. I started out the same as all of the rest of you guys. 4 APs and a dozen SMs - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Might work ok if you've got thousands and you do 600 per sub. In our case we have 120ish dialups, 60 or 70 fiber to the home and over 400 wireless and I have a gal in the office and I hire part time help when I have installs stacked up. So we're more in line with one body per 200 subs. I figure that a guy that keeps his day job and runs a part time WISP will make more net income than most any of us ever will. grin marlon - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
BTW, our GigE from Level 3 costs $14/meg. That is a wonderful thing if you can somehow get to one of their POPs. That has made a huge difference for us. We started out paying something like $700/T1 from Sprint. - Original Message - From: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? So, yeah I do have thousands. And I compete with Qwest and Comcast running full page ads in the paper mentioning us BY NAME. Yuk. Aren't you a small telco yourself though? Another question. Where and how do you get your bandwidth being a small telco? Any discounts being a telco? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
How many employees you got over there Kurt? Went through your web site, very nice indeed. I like your testimonials and history section. Keep up the good work, I think your a success. George Kurt Fankhauser wrote: What are you charging per month? We are at 300 customers per employee and MRC is $35. Owner isn't sweating. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? My rule of thumb is you need 600 subscribers per employee. - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP? Whats the magic client number? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?
Marlon K. Schafer wrote: roflmao ONE person can't take care of 600 subs. Your right, it takes one guy, me, to answer the phone, and another guy, my employee to go take care of that sub. So it's 2 people minimum. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
