Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

2008-08-27 Thread Mike Hammett
It's about $40k for up to 512 receivers, another $25k or so for up to 1024 
receivers.


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 Hmm, Interesting. Any idea on costs?

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:35 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

 They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version and
 an HD
 DVR version.

 AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
 channel (I
 asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100 megabits.
 It
 is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same
 upstream...  stream.

 The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
 project and
 massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.  The deal with the ROW
 is
 that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered a
 franchise.

 http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf


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 Mike Hammett
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 --
 From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

  I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a
  mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
 receivers
  involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume this
  would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel?
 
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 il.net
  wrote:
  DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send
 the
  signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the DirecTV
  receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to
 cross a
  public right of way with the DirecTV content.
 
  If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass
 you on
  to
  the reps at the companies I've been working with.
 
 
  --
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
  Ok folks,
 
  Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
  started
  because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they
 are
  debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this
 one
  is
  to
  build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed
 to
  the
  tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run
 fiber
  to
  the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a
 great
  time to get a start. So obviously with the available bandwidth we
 will
  be
  offering them speeds faster than Comcast could plus voip service
 over
  the
  FTTH. There biggest drawback and the reason for us wanting to do
 fiber
  here
  is this area is like the Jungle and they want to keep it like that,
 so
  chances are satellite won't even work at each home because of
 trees. So
  again their reservation with our plan is they have no TV or
 satellite
  service but if Comcast went in they would. They would rather go
 with us
  if
  we could find a way to get them TV as well. So does anyone know of
 a way
  to
  distribute satellite service over fiber? We could obviously put the
 dish
  on
  the tower and pick of the satellite no problem but how to get it to
 the
  homes over the fiber?
 
  Michiana Wireless, Inc.
  John Buwa, President
 
  http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
  574-233-7170
 
  Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!
 
  *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:54 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber
 
  We can buy the ONT for $375.
  The COE per sub works out to about another $200.
  So $500 plus the strand of fiber.  Drop fiber can be had for 25
 cents
  per
  foot.
  Contractors can put it in for a buck a foot.   Including cleanup.
   In a subdivision, I can do FTTH for less than $1K per sub.
  And my arpu for the triple play is around 

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

2008-08-27 Thread Mike Hammett
That's exactly what I'm looking at doing.

A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this.


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http://www.ics-il.com



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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

 Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be our
 entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give everyone the
 same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing. 
 Plans
 will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer amount per
 level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer and a
 decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not count on
 the bandwidth metering nor the phone services.

 The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual internet
 usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager would
 work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some searching
 and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ?

 Michiana Wireless, Inc.
 John Buwa, President

 http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
 574-233-7170

 Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!

 *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 il.net wrote:
  They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version
 and an HD
  DVR version.

 Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series.

 
  AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
 channel (I
  asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100
 megabits.  It
  is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the same
  upstream...  stream.

 Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more prodding
 about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that does
 wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels
 maybe?

 
  The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
 project and
  massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.

 Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they would
 do.

   The deal with the ROW is
  that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be considered
 a
  franchise.

 That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My
 understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a
 franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the
 last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen
 places I could use this if I can make a business case for it.

 
  http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
 
 
  --
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
  I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup a
  mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
 receivers
  involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume
 this
  would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per channel?
 
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 il.net
  wrote:
  DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They send
 the
  signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the
 DirecTV
  receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed to
 cross a
  public right of way with the DirecTV content.
 
  If you have some questions, I'll try to ask.  Otherwise, I'll pass
 you on
  to
  the reps at the companies I've been working with.
 
 
  --
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
  --
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:12 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
  Ok folks,
 
  Sorry for the delay in response to the replies. Out fiber interest
  started
  because we have a new neighborhood just being developed and they
 are
  debating between us and Comcast going in there. Our plans for this
 one
  is
  to
  build a tower in the very rear of the complex and pipe in the feed
 to
  the
  tower using tango's gigalink radio for the backhaul and then run
 fiber
  to
  the homes in the neighborhood. Since paving is not done yet it's a
 great
  time to get a 

Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?

2008-08-27 Thread Sales
We use Freeside for billing so importing the data won't be an issue. We need
to not only accurately track the usage but allow customer access to a portal
page that lets them monitor their usage as well. What would be even nicer
than just telling them you have used X Gigs this month but a summary of
their usage as well. Like summary of sites visited, where they have used
most of their bandwidth etc...

Michiana Wireless, Inc.
John Buwa, President
 
http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
574-233-7170
 
Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!

*US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:28 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
 That's exactly what I'm looking at doing.
 
 A billing package that supports AAA through RADIUS should do this.
 
 
 --
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 --
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:15 AM
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
  Another twist on this subject. My test neighborhood on this will be
 our
  entry into the metered broadband market. We are going to give
 everyone the
  same speed most likely 3 times faster than anything Comcast is doing.
  Plans
  will be tiered on transfer levels where they get a set transfer
 amount per
  level with each higher package level giving more allotted transfer
 and a
  decrease in overage costs per gig. The TV portion of it will not
 count on
  the bandwidth metering nor the phone services.
 
  The big question here is we need to actually meter the actual
 internet
  usage. What programs out allow this? We thought the MT user manager
 would
  work but it's not going to do what we need it to do. I did some
 searching
  and came up with very little useful information. Any ideas ?
 
  Michiana Wireless, Inc.
  John Buwa, President
 
  http://WWW.MichianaWireless.Com
  574-233-7170
 
  Lose the wires, discover the speed, enjoy the freedom!
 
  *US Distributor for www.itelite.net Antennas*
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
  Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:40 PM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
 
  On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  il.net wrote:
   They have to be an i series receiver.  There is a plain SD version
  and an HD
   DVR version.
 
  Ok so the standard internet capable receiver series.
 
  
   AFAIK, wireless is not an option.  I don't know the bandwidth per
  channel (I
   asked, just was never told), but was told it would fit in 100
  megabits.  It
   is multicast, so multiple receivers with the same show use the
 same
   upstream...  stream.
 
  Ive got evil ideas about how to do it. Now ive got some more
 prodding
  about getting to it. Seams like it needs a full gigE feed so that
 does
  wrinkle things, but that would be for the full 500 or so channels
  maybe?
 
  
   The guy I was working with said they can evaluate the particular
  project and
   massage it to help it obtain DirecTV's approval.
 
  Mmmm, I wonder if someone just wanted 2 or 3 channels what they
 would
  do.
 
The deal with the ROW is
   that DirecTV doesn't want themselves or you to possibly be
 considered
  a
   franchise.
 
  That seams reasonable enough, in the old ways of thinking. My
  understanding is that anything over the net can not be called a
  franchise. I can see how the line becomes blurred when you own the
  last mile and the services running on it. Still, I see about a dozen
  places I could use this if I can make a business case for it.
 
  
   http://www.directv.com/images/assets/mdu/DIRECTV_MFH3.pdf
  
  
   --
   Mike Hammett
   Intelligent Computing Solutions
   http://www.ics-il.com
  
  
  
   --
   From: Jeromie Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:00 PM
   To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] Running Fiber + Sending Sat over it?
  
   I am extremely interested in this. I knew DTV would let you setup
 a
   mini cable-op but I have not heard about them having any end
  receivers
   involved with it. What is the deal with crossing ROW's? I assume
  this
   would apply to wireless. Do you know the bandwidth used per
 channel?
  
   On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  il.net
   wrote:
   DirecTV has a program for MDUs and planned communities.  They
 send
  the
   signals over Ethernet from a main set of RF receivers to the
  DirecTV
   receivers in each unit.  The catch is that you're not supposed
 to
  cross a
   public right of way with 

Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.

2008-08-27 Thread Travis Johnson




I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex
WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients
are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(

Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they
decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy
more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't
even work?

Travis
Microserv

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  Butch,

Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can
tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of
PRISM/Atheros chipsets. 

Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this
point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways
as it only makes up 10% of my network. 

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.

On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  
  
Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites 
with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all 
of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 
seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so 
short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their 
uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look 
at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is 
happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's.

  
  
Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5?  This is a known issue 
that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. 
As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going 
on relating to this issue.  From what I can tell, this issue does 
not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for 
that matter).

  






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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Internet + VoIP + ...efax?

2008-08-27 Thread John McDowell
Hi Butch,
They do offer T.38 fax, I believe. But we have tested it and it only worked
one time out of 5. Whether they have E-fax capabilities I don't know.

Would love for a good fax solution to come around.

John

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote:

 We've got Internet, we've got VoIP...now all we need is a faxing
 solution that works to convert businesses.
 
 Is anyone using a white label efax solution? Does anyone have a box
 that will let you do efax? Port local fax numbers?

 John,
 Have you spoken to your current VoIP provider regarding Fax over IP?
 I don't know if they do that, but it seems to me I heard they do.
 If so, perhaps they have a solution available that does eFax, too.
 I'm just guessing wildly on that part, as I don't know for sure if
 they do either one, but remembering a conversation I had with one of
 their tech guys, it seems to me he said that fax works over their
 current service (I haven't tested this at all).

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Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.

2008-08-27 Thread canopy
Travis,
 This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your
request for Mikrotik support.  We fought with Mikrotik over a year to
get them to fix the issues and it never happened.  We finally stopped
about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion.  (More Canopy
lately with the 400 series)
 I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests
we ran.  We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every
CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their
recommendations.  Basically, we were doing their field testing for
them and to no avail.  Nothing they recommended fixed things.  They
finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP.  So, we
bought super powerful PCs for APs.  Again, no help.  Now they have
their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the
issue.
 So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R  D
for both time and dollars.  (I have tons of dead equipment sitting
here that didn't work.)
 So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no
results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work,
we bailed.  Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we
sleep more.
 We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we
have fought there have been won.  (BGP and OSPF)  However, wireless
never got better.  (For PtMP)
 As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many
resources our way.  Although, we haven't needed them lately.  Canopy
has a large base with lots of third party options and community
support.  When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them
working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that.
 I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local
repeaters.


 I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex
 WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients
 are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br
 br
 Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they
 decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy
 more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't
 even work?br
 br
 Travisbr
 Microservbr
 br
 Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
 blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  type=cite
   pre wrap=Butch,

 Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I
 can
 tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of
 PRISM/Atheros chipsets.

 Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this
 point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff
 anyways
 as it only makes up 10% of my network.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405
 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
 href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a


 -Original Message-
 From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
 href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a
 [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext
 href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a]
 On
 Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.

 On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

   /pre
   blockquote type=cite
 pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my
 Mikrotik sites
 with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all
 of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2
 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so
 short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their
 uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look
 at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is
 happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's.
 /pre
   /blockquote
   pre wrap=!
 Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5?  This is a known issue
 that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP.
 As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going
 on relating to this issue.  From what I can tell, this issue does
 not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for
 that matter).

   /pre
 /blockquote
 /body
 /html


 
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Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.

2008-08-27 Thread Travis Johnson




Hi,

I understand what you are saying... but I also understand that Canopy
and Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE. So to do 150 installs per
month x $50 = $7,500 per month in savings it's pretty hard to just give
up. Right now we are doing 30 customers per AP and it's working pretty
well... even the gamers seem happy again.

Mikrotik told me just today that it is next on their list after adding
802.11n support. I guess we'll see if they can actually make things
better.

Travis
Microserv

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Travis,
 This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your
request for Mikrotik support.  We fought with Mikrotik over a year to
get them to fix the issues and it never happened.  We finally stopped
about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion.  (More Canopy
lately with the 400 series)
 I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests
we ran.  We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every
CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their
recommendations.  Basically, we were doing their field testing for
them and to no avail.  Nothing they recommended fixed things.  They
finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP.  So, we
bought super powerful PCs for APs.  Again, no help.  Now they have
their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the
issue.
 So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R  D
for both time and dollars.  (I have tons of dead equipment sitting
here that didn't work.)
 So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no
results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work,
we bailed.  Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we
sleep more.
 We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we
have fought there have been won.  (BGP and OSPF)  However, wireless
never got better.  (For PtMP)
 As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many
resources our way.  Although, we haven't needed them lately.  Canopy
has a large base with lots of third party options and community
support.  When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them
working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that.
 I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local
repeaters.


  
  
I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex
WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients
are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br
br
Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they
decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy
more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't
even work?br
br
Travisbr
Microservbr
br
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  pre wrap=""Butch,

Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I
can
tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of
PRISM/Atheros chipsets.

Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this
point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff
anyways
as it only makes up 10% of my network.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

  /pre
  blockquote type="cite"
pre wrap=""Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my
Mikrotik sites
with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all
of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2
seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so
short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their
uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look
at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is
happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's.
/pre
  /blockquote
  pre wrap=""!
Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5?  This is a known issue
that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP.
As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going
on relating to this issue.  From what I can tell, this issue does
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[WISPA] Tropos 5320

2008-08-27 Thread Jerry Richardson
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[WISPA] Rohn 45

2008-08-27 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi,

I'm looking for (3) 10ft sections of Rohn 45 tower section. I would 
prefer used, but a good deal on new would be OK too. Please respond 
off-list with pricing and shipping to 83404.

(I'm ONLY looking for Rohn 45 sections).

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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Internet + VoIP + ...efax?

2008-08-27 Thread Ron Harden
Here is what our experience with fax over VoIP tells us:

 

* Everyone knows that it is never 100% reliable over any VoIP
network, Vox or otherwise

* If you set your fax speed to 14.4 that will optimize the send and
receive quality (faxing is sensitive to speed more than protocol)

* Our experience is that you should expect 80% of faxes to work
properly on our network.

* Fax quality and consistency correlates directly with voice
quality, dependent on the VoIP network and how it's managed.  You know that
not every VoIP network is created equal; some are much better than others.
I will leave you be the judge regarding our network and service quality.

* Sending may be slightly more reliable than receiving (I send
documents all the time and my experinece has been very good, 90% or better) 

* Hi-speed 33.6 fax will not work over VoIP

* Newer fax machines provide better results than older units

* We do offer T.38 fax

* We have not integrated eFax capability with our services

 

This has been our experience with VoIP fax to this point; we have great
developers and will continue to look for a foolproof solution over time.
Because I work mostly out of my home I use eFax for inbound fax service
because of the nature of my business - contracts and other legal documents.
I hope this helps.  

 

Ron

 

 

 

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Hi Butch,

They do offer T.38 fax, I believe. But we have tested it and it only worked

one time out of 5. Whether they have E-fax capabilities I don't know.

 

Would love for a good fax solution to come around.

 

John

 

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 On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, John McDowell wrote:

 

 We've got Internet, we've got VoIP...now all we need is a faxing

 solution that works to convert businesses.

 

 Is anyone using a white label efax solution? Does anyone have a box

 that will let you do efax? Port local fax numbers?

 

 John,

 Have you spoken to your current VoIP provider regarding Fax over IP?

 I don't know if they do that, but it seems to me I heard they do.

 If so, perhaps they have a solution available that does eFax, too.

 I'm just guessing wildly on that part, as I don't know for sure if

 they do either one, but remembering a conversation I had with one of

 their tech guys, it seems to me he said that fax works over their

 current service (I haven't tested this at all).

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tropos 5320

2008-08-27 Thread Cooper Marcus
Around $8,500 according to this website 
https://www.store.affinitasnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemartpage=shop.browsecategory_id=1Itemid=27

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[WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread John McDowell
Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...

Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is comparable in
price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?

Thanks!

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Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
I guess I could reverse the polarity of a 333SS.  Do you know how much 
current the POE would be drawing?
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 Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...

 Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is comparable 
 in
 price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?

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Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
Our 333ss has leds for monitoring voltage and current.  But the circuit is 
fine tuned to Canopy SMs.
I could reverse the voltage LED and eliminate the current LED and they would 
work fine for AF stuff.
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 They use the PowerDsine midspan poe...not sure

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 I guess I could reverse the polarity of a 333SS.  Do you know how much
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:38 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?


  Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...
 
  Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is 
  comparable
  in
  price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?
 
  Thanks!
 
  --
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Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread John McDowell
how much?

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Our 333ss has leds for monitoring voltage and current.  But the circuit is
 fine tuned to Canopy SMs.
 I could reverse the voltage LED and eliminate the current LED and they
 would
 work fine for AF stuff.
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 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?


  They use the PowerDsine midspan poe...not sure
 
  On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I guess I could reverse the polarity of a 333SS.  Do you know how much
  current the POE would be drawing?
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:38 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?
 
 
   Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...
  
   Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is
   comparable
   in
   price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?
  
   Thanks!
  
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Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
That would be a question for our distributors.  After we decide to include 
it in the line.
Should be about the same price as the standard product I would think.
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 how much?

 On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 Our 333ss has leds for monitoring voltage and current.  But the circuit 
 is
 fine tuned to Canopy SMs.
 I could reverse the voltage LED and eliminate the current LED and they
 would
 work fine for AF stuff.
 - Original Message -
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  To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?


  They use the PowerDsine midspan poe...not sure
 
  On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  I guess I could reverse the polarity of a 333SS.  Do you know how much
  current the POE would be drawing?
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  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:38 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?
 
 
   Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...
  
   Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is
   comparable
   in
   price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?
  
   Thanks!
  
   --
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Re: [WISPA] Will Canopy Surge work with 48v Redline?

2008-08-27 Thread John McDowell
that would be neat...I would buy...

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That would be a question for our distributors.  After we decide to include
 it in the line.
 Should be about the same price as the standard product I would think.
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  how much?
 
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  Our 333ss has leds for monitoring voltage and current.  But the circuit
  is
  fine tuned to Canopy SMs.
  I could reverse the voltage LED and eliminate the current LED and they
  would
  work fine for AF stuff.
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   They use the PowerDsine midspan poe...not sure
  
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   I guess I could reverse the polarity of a 333SS.  Do you know how
 much
   current the POE would be drawing?
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Pretty sure the pin outs are different, but thought I would ask...
   
Anybody got a good cheap canopy-like surge protector that is
comparable
in
price that would work for regular 802.3af powered devices?
   
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Re: [WISPA] Tropos 5320

2008-08-27 Thread Jerry Richardson
Thanks, saw that too. Seems like it might be a mistake.

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Around $8,500 according to this website 
https://www.store.affinitasnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemartpage=shop.browsecategory_id=1Itemid=27

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 Anyone know what these cost roughly?


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[WISPA] feedback request

2008-08-27 Thread Tracy Tippett


Ladies  Gentlemen,

I am looking for some feedback.  How many POE devices are you typically 
locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise?  What is 
your highest concentration at a single location? This information is 
requested to help in design considerations for emerging products


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Re: [WISPA] OSBridge

2008-08-27 Thread Graham McIntire
I have about 60 customers or so using the 5GXIs connected to Mikrotik
APs using 10 MHz channels.  It works out great as long as you don't
have any trees in the way.  I don't have any experience with their APs
or using polling with them however.

Graham

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 Is anyone running any of the OSBridge outdoor wireless equipment? Could
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[WISPA] MikroTik WDS to non-MT devices

2008-08-27 Thread Jerry Richardson
Is there any issue with getting WDS working with non-mikrotik devices - 
specifically a vivato access point?

I have a WDS interface assigned to the wlan interface and bridge but the 
MT is not receiving any packets from the Vivato. The MAC's are correct 
in both radios.

Ideas? Tricks?




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Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] MikroTik WDS to non-MT devices

2008-08-27 Thread Butch Evans
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008, Jerry Richardson wrote:

Is there any issue with getting WDS working with non-mikrotik 
devices - specifically a vivato access point?

I haven't tried this with Vivato.  WDS is not guaranteed to work 
across vendor software solutions because it is not a complete 
standard.  Mikrotik's WDS implementation does work with one or two 
other devices I've seen, but not very well.

I have a WDS interface assigned to the wlan interface and bridge 
but the MT is not receiving any packets from the Vivato. The MAC's 
are correct in both radios.

Sounds like they are not compatible.

 Ideas? Tricks?

Best idea: Build the solution from a single vendor OR build a 
solution that does not require a bridge.

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Re: [WISPA] feedback request

2008-08-27 Thread Blair Davis
for me, 6.

All my AP and backhaul, if it is not already 48VDC POE, has a 48VDC to 
xVDC converter added to it.

I won't install anything on my PtMP or backhaul sites that is not 48VDC.

For client equipment, we use whatever is with the client hardware.

Our typical AP/Backhaul site is as follows:

UPS.  for a small site, just a 300-500VA uint.  Larger sites use 
triplite with T-105 wet cell batterys.
Digital loggers Web Switch with auto ping.
netgear fast switch
48VDC POE's as needed
an old home style router, hooked up to power without the UPS

This provides auto reboot and power loss detection and it is quite cost 
effective.  For a small tower, the equipment at the base is under $250-300.



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 Ladies  Gentlemen,

 I am looking for some feedback.  How many POE devices are you 
 typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer 
 Premise?  What is your highest concentration at a single location? 
 This information is requested to help in design considerations for 
 emerging products

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