Re: [WISPA] WISPA Newspaper Article
Hi John, We have laid a foundation with the press here by sending out occasional press releases about new tower locations and some of our green alternative energy powered sites. I did not send a press release out about this issue, the reporter was interviewing me for a community pride issue coming up, and our conversation turned to the stimulus. I would encourage WISPs to send out press releases focusing on their ability to provide service to unserved/underserved areas and how we are an excellent investment for the stimulus programs. Voters and legislators watch the newspapers carefully. I'm curious to see if this article generates any interest in our state. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com John Scrivner wrote: Matt, Excellent article. Did you get the ball rolling with the press there through a press release? What led to the reason for the article? Knowing this could help others to gain access to this positive press. Congrats, Scriv On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Its only the Scottsbluff StarHerald, but this was a nice write-up anyway http://www.starherald.com/articles/2009/02/22/news/local_news/doc49a0d84daaead679125026.txt Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
That is what he is saying. Avoid the high gain 15dB omnis unless you know what you do and design system right. There are cases where a high gain omni is well suited but more then likely a 12dB omni would work as well if not better. You want to make sure your signal goes where your clients are not send the main portion above them where it does no good. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:47:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com mailto:ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion image001.jpg NTIA Economic Stimulus Meeting Notice.pdf Description: NTIA Economic Stimulus Meeting Notice.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers I think you and I are in total agreement Rick! marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Thank you for posting this Kevin. WISPA has already been in contact with NTIA and is in the process of setting up a meeting during this period. Thanks, Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Suitor Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin redline biz card header Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
The ONLY time I've suggested a high gain omni was in cases where the customers are at the same level as the antenna. Things like down town deployments from a building that's no taller than the ones around it. Or, sometimes inside a building where you need greater coverage on one floor. marlon - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue That is what he is saying. Avoid the high gain 15dB omnis unless you know what you do and design system right. There are cases where a high gain omni is well suited but more then likely a 12dB omni would work as well if not better. You want to make sure your signal goes where your clients are not send the main portion above them where it does no good. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:47:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system
What about an IP camera that does H.264? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:05 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DVR camera system I started in the surveillance business long before I was in the wisp business. I have done surveillance systems all over the world including police and military applications. The system that streams the best over any type network is an H.264 based system. It uses 1/3 the bandwidth and storage of MPEG4. You can get a card that goes into a PC or a standalone system if you dont want to attempt that. Any base pc will work because it is not processor intensive. All of the coding is done on the card (MPEG4 is quite processor intensive). You can use IP cameras, but they usually require quite a bit of bandwidth. If you have more information, i would be glad to give you some recommendations off list. Jeremie Chism Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:15:11 -0500 From: ad...@svic.net ad...@svic.net Subject: [WISPA] DVR camera system To: wireless@wispa.org Message-ID: ea4dfba1d6f642e2b37b896160d57607.ad...@svic.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Figured I would ask if anyone has any experience with different camera systems. Have a customer looking to put multiple systems in and need a solution. Anyone know of some good systems that do not use a lot of bandwidth overhead? The systems need to have up to 8 camera hook up to DVR and be able to be internet accessible. Mike Johns SVIC Internet Computers 114 N Main st. Chiefland, Fl 32626 Phone: 352-490-5433 Fax: 352-490-9532 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Who is in charge of drafting position statements for presentation to NTIA? Legislative subcommittee? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Thank you for posting this Kevin. WISPA has already been in contact with NTIA and is in the process of setting up a meeting during this period. Thanks, Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Suitor Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:32 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin redline biz card header Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: http://www.redlinecommunications.com/ www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
In reading the info, is it to determine guidelines for who get the grants or make a presentation to get the grant Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
You can look for omnis with downtilt built in as well if you must go with higher gain and must use an omni. -Original Message- From: e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue That is what he is saying. Avoid the high gain 15dB omnis unless you know what you do and design system right. There are cases where a high gain omni is well suited but more then likely a 12dB omni would work as well if not better. You want to make sure your signal goes where your clients are not send the main portion above them where it does no good. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:47:51 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wirel [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Crossroads
Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink.
Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into actions plans that have been already put into work and resulted in major changes. PacketWave is long gone now and that product bear little resemblance to PacketMAX, both in architecture and functionality. No more two cables up for instance. It is now 100% IF at the base station and PoE at the CPE. The QoS functionality is excellent. The NMS has been changed to permit local mode support and a wide range of other must have features identified by U.S. customers. The PacketMAX 802.16d product is a sound, high value, moderately priced solution with rich features and functionality. It is a living product (unlike what some competitiors might claim), undergoing continuing evolution and RD. When I was at Alvarion, I was indoctrinated to believe that d was a dead end. I have since learned that was entirely and view centric to Alvarion and others solely focused on e, because for THEM, that is true. But not for us and I think time will prove Aperto right -- d is the best WiMAX standard for fixed and in fact, e has a much less certain future. Marlon, I would invite you to come out and visit the new Aperto -- the one I am now working with. Examine the solutions. Test drive it. You learn a whole new view and I hope you'll appreciate that I would never tie my cart to a horse that I did not have confidence could strongly pull the cart. Your friend, Patrick Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price
Re: [WISPA] windmills and radio
Mike Hammett asked: On the turbine itself? Nay, on the same tower, near the turbine, but say 30 to 100 feet down. I think the warranty concern (in this case) has less to do with the turbine than the tower, which is designed for one purpose. I see a tower with a turbine on top, the manufacturer may see a windmill, a complete unit. Tristan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
I haven't gotten anything yet, and I have an agreement with them for them to be a tower tenant. Here's some older news though I dug up on them: http://www.och-c.com/topstories/2009/0205/020509occc.html On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:28:14AM -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] windmills and radio
We have a system up 90' on a 120' tower that has a 20 ro 30KW turbine with 3-17' blades. Have had it there several years and never had a problem from the wind generator On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Tristan Plumb w...@trstn.net wrote: I have heard rumours of collocating wind turbines and radio equipment, but no real solid examples. I am currently in discussion with the owners of a decent sized windmill and tower (about a megawatt, 200 ft) about doing just that. They are willing, but would like some more information to provide thier warranters and insurers. So, if any of you all have experence with windmills and fixed wireless (especially) or celluar installations I would like to hear your stories! My concerns are around EMF interference, blades obstructing the Fresnel zone, and any problems (hopefully none) in store for my hosts. Thank you, Tristan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package
Scott, These meetins are to discuss implementation of the programs. They are asking for input from interested parties on how they should write the rules. See the highlighted portion of the release below: NTIA is scheduling meetings to afford interested parties the opportunity to discuss implementation of the Broadband Grant Programs as described in the Broadband Data Services Improvement Act and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. The Broadband Data Services Improvement Act was enacted in October 2008 and directs the Secretary of Commerce to award grants to eligible entities on a competitive basis to assess, identify and track broadband service deployment in each State. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 was enacted in February 2009 and directs NTIA to establish the Broadband Technology Opportunities Program to make grants available on a competitive basis to accelerate and expand broadband deployment. Information about the Broadband Grant Programs will be made available at http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package In reading the info, is it to determine guidelines for who get the grants or make a presentation to get the grant Scott - Original Message - From: Kevin Suitor To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Meetings on Economic Stimulus Package Folks, Thought you would all like heads up on the attached. The attached notice is scheduled to be published by NTIA in the Federal Register tomorrow, alerting those interested in the ARRA grant program that they can commence scheduling meetings with NTIA staff to be held starting on March 2, 2009. Best Regards, Kevin Redline Communications Inc. Kevin Suitor Vice President, Marketing Business Development 302 Town Centre Blvd. Markham, ON L3R 0E8 CANADA Cell: +1 416.508.1252 Phone: +1 905.948.2299 Skype: ksuitor Fax: +1 647.723.0451 e-mail: ksui...@redlinecommunications.com Web: www.redlinecommunications.com Advancing Broadband Wireless - Putting WiMAX in Motion -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think.
For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto. Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think. Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyou think.
Patrick, Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyou think. For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto. Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think. Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Yeah, they talked about going on our Rumford ME tower, but then all this happened. If they did not build yet, I would not be looking anytime soon for them. All their site acq and build folks left a few months ago. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crossroads I haven't gotten anything yet, and I have an agreement with them for them to be a tower tenant. Here's some older news though I dug up on them: http://www.och-c.com/topstories/2009/0205/020509occc.html On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:28:14AM -0600, Blake Bowers wrote: Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyou think. For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto. Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think. Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyou think. For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto. Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think. Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
No PPPoE or Routing support either I believe. Regards Michael Baird Not yet for 3.65 GHz, though do not use it for other bands. With few exceptions, the CPE has performed fine, but it is not the most attractive that is true. For this market, our intent is to enable CPEs to be very low priced and pretty has taken a hit... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, Any chance of a non-tranzeo CPE in the werks? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyou think. For clarity's sake, John is referring to Tranzeo below, not Aperto. Aperto has sync, is a WISPA member and the PM3000 micro WiMAX base station supports over 200 CPE. The PM5000 supports over 500. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyou think. Cons: No GPS sync Max of 32 CPE per base station CPE radio looks like somebody made it in their garage. Not a WISPA Vendor Member (even when we have asked many times for their support) Pros: Cheap Scriv On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Tranzeo now offers a low cost 3.65 basestation with CPE that is compatible with Redline's Redmax basestation and CPE. -Eric Pat O'Connor wrote: We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Eje, thanks for the lesson! -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 AM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Generally a omni send signal straight out and a high gain omni might only have 5 to 6 degree vertical beam width. So only 2.5 to 3 deg is aim down. A lower gain antenna will have wider beam width. But then you also have quality antennas with electronic downtilt on them so say a high gain antenna with 7deg beam (typical on a 12dB omni) you have 3 degree electronic downtil (also typical value) only 0.5 degrees of the signal is sent above horizon line. A 15dB omni might only have about 5 deg beam and if you have no electronic downtilt it becomes useless on taller structures. Unless your clients are only far out (depending on hight might have to be very far out). You can play with my down tilt calculator. http://www.wisp-router.com/calculators/downtilt.php You do not want to have customers closer then the inner -3dB radius and most of them should be close to the sweet spot and of course they should not be outside outer -3dB (with omni generally no risk unless your providing internet to aliens. ;) ) /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:23:55 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Are these the guys that filed for RUS money all over hell and never did anything? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:28 AM To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Ya, tried all channels 1-11. Whats interesting is that this site has run very well with both signals and throughput since 2004. Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Oh, I caught something on your website. Whats with channels 12-14? I never tired those. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink.
Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system
IP cameras are fine. Many companies have gone to IP. If you are going that route I would lean toward the H.264. Try to find one made in Taiwan, South Korea or a country other than china. You will find that the quality and software will be much better. Only problem with ip cameras is if your network goes down you have no recording unless you get a camera that has some onboard storage. Make sure you get one that has good resolution. I just had a police department that came to me about a lady that was stabbed and raped. The video from the unit they used was so poor that the guy got away. Also do your self a favor. If you record back to a pc, have a second hdd separate from your operating system that holds the video. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Yes, they are. They were going to supply broadband, from my understanding, through Sprint. Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Are these the guys that filed for RUS money all over hell and never did anything? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:28 AM To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
I'll tell you how - money. How can a small guy buy or rent at those prices. Surely, in the days of electronics revolution there is something more economical? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-2754-50kHz-21GHz-RF-Spectrum-Analyzer-Tested_W0QQitemZ390031649077QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Analyzers?hash=item390031649077_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1308%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-8593E-Spectrum-Analyzer-9kHz-22-GHz-Opts-4-41_W0QQitemZ370160713052QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370160713052_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 http://cgi.ebay.com/Tektronix-492-50kHz-40GHz-Spectrum-Analyzer-NICE_W0QQitemZ290296909236QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Analyzers?hash=item290296909236_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 Oh heck, there are nearly 400 on ebay right now. I have both a Berkly Varitronics Yellow Jacket (over prices but easy to use and very portable) and an Advantest (ex Sprint Cellular unit) that'll do 9k through 8g. They don't get used very often, but when they do... I don't know how a guy can run without one these days. Oh yeah, you can always rent one from Rentelco. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue A spectrum analyzer is a good idea. I tried and wasnt impressed with wi-spy. Is there anything else inexpensive that will analyze the spectrum? Thanks! -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: It looks just like you described. Get a spectrum analyzer or a wi-spy and check it out. Chances are though you won't be there when it is happening. Phil On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 9:12 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot.
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Yep, that would be them - formerly known as Poplar PCS. Came into our area, tied up RUS funds, waited until the last minute to put equipment on water towers, offered marketing through a local Office Supply company, then nothing. First tests with their stuff wasn't impressive according to a friend of mine. They put out coverage maps that were not accurate; may have had grand plans for what they wanted to cover but it didn't work - especially not here in our area. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. I've got enough noise in the area without them bringing stuff in as well. What irritated me about them getting funding was that there were already three broadband providers in our area here - the local LEC and two WISP's. I really don't understand how they pulled it off, but they did - and pretty well eliminated any possibility of some of us other realistic WISPs from obtaining funds. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this position - they got what, something like $75million to spread over a bunch of different counties? Man, what I could do with just a small piece of that! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Are these the guys that filed for RUS money all over hell and never did anything? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:28 AM To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Marlon, nice stuff. I agree with all that. My confusion comes from why I cant have a high gain antenna with the same pattern as a lower gain unit? Both should be able to be designed the same. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Vertical radiation pattern. Read this for a better description: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Look closely at the very first antenna pattern. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/15_omni.jpg See how much of the energy goes UP instead of down. And if you look closely you'll see that the main lobe goes up instead of straight out, or, more importantly, down toward the customers. I buy the 8 dB Maxrad omni antennas with electrical downtilt these days. Almost always 4* of downtilt, but sometimes I'll go as high as 12*. If you drop from a 15 dB to a 12 you'll DOUBLE your vertical coverage zone. Or very close to it. That 15 dB omni you have probably has a 2 to 5* vertical pattern. An 8 dB will have closer to 12 or 15 (I don't remember exact numbers off the top of my head). In a nutshell, gain comes only from the focusing of energy. You can only get that in two plains. Horizontal and vertical. Everyone looks at two numbers, horizontal (omni, 120*, 180*, 90* sector etc.) and gain (15dB, 12dB, 6dB, 24dB etc.). For the customer side the horizontal pattern doesn't mean much because you'll point the antenna straight at the tower's antenna anyway. At the tower though, you need to cover MUCH more area, both from side to side AND up and down. That help? marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
I took it he meant that as well. In further thought, I suppose the high gain omni is also picking up noise interference from further out as well. Many times, I can see several of my towers from anywhere in the county. Heck, I probably have self-interference! Buying a company is like buying a used car, you end up with somebody elses problems! So, what about sector arrays with downtilt? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Surplus Tower/Liebert AC units For Sale
Guys and Gals, I have been asked to remove a 100' freestanding tower this week. I don't have any room in my yard or in the warehouse to store it so my other option is to cut it up and scrap it. If someone is interested in it I will strip it down and package it for shipping. It would make a great WISP AP tower for someone. You just need foundation bolts which you can get from any tower manufacturer. The price I am asking will cover my crane and personnel costs to disassemble and package for shipping. Once again, if it gets sold here I will make a $200 donation to WISPA. Tower info and pictures are here: www.bb-recon.com/tower4sale I also still have the two Lieberts. One 20 ton and one 10 ton System 3 glycol units with roof condensers. Buy one of these and I will donate $250 for each unit to WISPA. Just let me know you saw it here on the list as this stuff is listed elsewhere and I don't want the organization to loose out. Thanks Bob WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New Member Introduction
I would like to introduce Elevation Wireless as a new Associate Member to WISPA. This membership status has been granted with the understanding that Chip will upgrade to Vendor Membership after his new business takes hold. Chip has volunteered to be a member of the Grants Committee and is currently putting together a Grant Education Program. WISPA welcomes Chip and wishes his new consulting venture is successful and his experience is used to assist our many members. Respectfully, Rick Harnish Chip Gaskins is one of the most passionate and knowledgeable people with respect to wireless broadband and what it means to underserved communities. Growing up in rural eastern North Carolina he understands first-hand the importance that internet access provides to underserved communities. He knows local WISPs are key to providing this access and is dedicated to bridging the gap between the recent federal stimulus funds and WISPs that are interested in expansion. Chip is currently the president of Elevation Wireless and has taken a recent focus on working with the NTIA and RUS programs to administer the rural broadband stimulus grants. Specifically he works on behalf of WISPs to prepare the proper needs assessment, market surveys, mapping, and financial plans. He then uses that information to prepare the grant applications and represents them through the NTIA and RUS grant approval process. Chip spent the early part of his career at hardware providers like Nortel and Intel, however most of his career has been focused on rolling out broadband to consumers. Most recently at DigitalBridge Communications (rural WiMAX ISP) where he led Corporate Development and spent most of his time buying 2.5GHz spectrum and WISPs to build out rural WiMAX networks in Montana, Wyoming, Indiana, Idaho, Virginia, and South Dakota. At DigitalBridge, Chip also participated in several USDA (RUS) application processes and came to understand the importance of Washington DC based representation and the acute attention to detail needed for application approval. Before DigitalBridge Chip did broadband partnership deals at AOL. He negotiated deals with ATT, Bellsouth, Charter, and Clearwire and quickly came to understand the value of owning the last mile. Chip devised and negotiated the first major wireless broadband deal between AOL and Clearwire. Earlier, he worked for Earthlink and really understood what federal regulation meant given that he had to both work with, and compete against, the ILECs leasing their DSL lines and then trying to resell them profitably. Chip has a Masters degree in engineering North Carolina State University and an MBA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Chip has spoken at numerous conferences and events. Most recently at: * 2009 4G Conference in Miami * 2008 NIA Spectrum Conference in Newport Beach on 2.5 GHz valuations WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink.
Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Ya don't say! After they just got $350 million or whatever the number was. I'm thinking about the same company right? The one that went after all of that RUS money? marlon - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Think spotlight vs. flood light. The only way to send the signal further is to focus the beam tighter. Call me if it's still confusing, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, nice stuff. I agree with all that. My confusion comes from why I cant have a high gain antenna with the same pattern as a lower gain unit? Both should be able to be designed the same. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Vertical radiation pattern. Read this for a better description: http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.htm Look closely at the very first antenna pattern. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/15_omni.jpg See how much of the energy goes UP instead of down. And if you look closely you'll see that the main lobe goes up instead of straight out, or, more importantly, down toward the customers. I buy the 8 dB Maxrad omni antennas with electrical downtilt these days. Almost always 4* of downtilt, but sometimes I'll go as high as 12*. If you drop from a 15 dB to a 12 you'll DOUBLE your vertical coverage zone. Or very close to it. That 15 dB omni you have probably has a 2 to 5* vertical pattern. An 8 dB will have closer to 12 or 15 (I don't remember exact numbers off the top of my head). In a nutshell, gain comes only from the focusing of energy. You can only get that in two plains. Horizontal and vertical. Everyone looks at two numbers, horizontal (omni, 120*, 180*, 90* sector etc.) and gain (15dB, 12dB, 6dB, 24dB etc.). For the customer side the horizontal pattern doesn't mean much because you'll point the antenna straight at the tower's antenna anyway. At the tower though, you need to cover MUCH more area, both from side to side AND up and down. That help? marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Speaking of self inflicted interference http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/nethub/article.php/3765946/Wi-Fi-Detect-and-Avoid-Self-Inflicted-Interference.htm Hope it helps! marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I took it he meant that as well. In further thought, I suppose the high gain omni is also picking up noise interference from further out as well. Many times, I can see several of my towers from anywhere in the county. Heck, I probably have self-interference! Buying a company is like buying a used car, you end up with somebody elses problems! So, what about sector arrays with downtilt? Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Actually, I disagree with Marlon on this one. The higher the gain on the antenna, the narrower the beamwidth. Therefore, many times your main lobe is shooting over the top of your clients. We have had better success with lower gain omni's because the beamwidth is wider and more usable signal reaches the client radios. I guess Marlon is correct if he means that the main lobe is shooting above (up) the clients, if that is what he meant, then he is correct. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Marlon, I was thinking about what you said about high gain omni antennas sending more signal UP. With respect to direction, what's the difference between between a high gain unit and a lower gain unit? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Europe, not available in the USA. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue Oh, I caught something on your website. Whats with channels 12-14? I never tired those. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] tower issue
Channels 12 thru 14 are not allowed to be used in the US. They are available in some other countries. Scriv On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:14 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I caught something on your website. Whats with channels 12-14? I never tired those. -RickG On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Often good signal levels but rotten throughput. Or good signal to the customers and rotten at the ap. http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/survey.htm That's a good look at what interference can and does do to you if it's the wrong (right?) kind. I assume you've tried a different channel already? That's one of the first things I always do these days. marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree but such a sudden change? I mean like day night. Interesting to contemplate though. What does interference look like if IT is affecting a tower? -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:08 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Never assume a problem is ever interference no matter how rural you are. This is one of the biggest problem I see people are doing. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:04:44 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower issue I agree with you and actually intend on replacing it. But, I doubt it's related since this setup has been running on this particular tower since 2004 (I bought the company this way). Also, it is set up on several others with no issues. I failed to mention these towers are in very rural locations so I doubt there is any interference. -RickG On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Not sure if it's related or not, but high gain omni antennas are usually a great big no no. They tend to send more signal UP than in the direction of the customers. I'd replace it with an 8 or 9 db unit just on principal. You'll probably find that most customers will actually get a BETTER signal. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower issue OK, here a good one! (aka, how I spent my weekend in a blizzard!) One of my towers has a single WARP/StarOS connected to a 5GHz grid for backhaul and a 15dBi omni for the local connections. On Saturday, after making some small changes, I rebooted it and it would not allow me to connect via wireless any longer - or my customers :( So, I go to the tower, connect up via ethernet and everything is a usual but I see all associations but only a few client have ip addresses. I can ping the few clients but the packet loss is huge 80-90%. I then reload my backup but still get the same thing. I try changing channels, but still the same. I then systematically begin replacing parts starting with the radio card. Eventually, I replaced EVERYTHING but still have the problem. One note: occasionally, twice of maybe three times, after a reboot, all came back normal. The third time, I left well enough alone for now but of course, you know what will happen the next time I reboot. Any ideas??? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Form 477
So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Redline's latest WiMAX and broadband wireless products obtain USDA acceptance and Buy American status
Redline http://www.wispa.org/?p=358 's latest WiMAX and broadband wireless products obtain USDA acceptance and Buy American status WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system
oh yes, anything I work with is high resolution going to a server with RAID 5 and offsite backup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DVR camera system IP cameras are fine. Many companies have gone to IP. If you are going that route I would lean toward the H.264. Try to find one made in Taiwan, South Korea or a country other than china. You will find that the quality and software will be much better. Only problem with ip cameras is if your network goes down you have no recording unless you get a camera that has some onboard storage. Make sure you get one that has good resolution. I just had a police department that came to me about a lady that was stabbed and raped. The video from the unit they used was so poor that the guy got away. Also do your self a favor. If you record back to a pc, have a second hdd separate from your operating system that holds the video. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Victoria, I assume you saw the Announcement about the extension. If you did not, let me know and I will resend it to you. It looks like they just updated the form today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Marlon, I think you are referring to Open Range. They got an RUS Loan but rumor is that they may turn down the loan now and go after grant money. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List; towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Ya don't say! After they just got $350 million or whatever the number was. I'm thinking about the same company right? The one that went after all of that RUS money? marlon - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Form 477
Thanks Rick...just saw it, lol. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Victoria, I assume you saw the Announcement about the extension. If you did not, let me know and I will resend it to you. It looks like they just updated the form today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 477 Microsoft Mappoint. After further reading of the FCC site, I see that the electronic filing version is not available. I thought the deadline was March 2nd...? Victoria On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: What did you use to bulk process the census track info? Regards Michael Baird So I have all my info, census track, speed, etc., my FRN and I go to the FCC site: http://www.fcc.gov/formpage.html#477The information page says that I should click on the form in the left hand column but there is no link. Am I missing something? Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband, LLC Rural Missouri Wireless 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Victoria Rural Missouri Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
Well said Patrick... I would like to add - as a whole the industry uses the word mobility all the time and has used that pretense of mobile broadband coverage anywhere you go as a staple to the word WiMAX. The truth is WiMAX from about any of the WiMAX manufacturers has made great improvements in QoS and receive sensitivities with the use of smarter antenna technology but still fall short in the realm of seamless mobility most of us have grown to expect with our cell phones/hand held devices. That is 802.16d 802.16e offers the promise of mobility in a seamless sense, meaning roaming from tower to tower or sector to sector without any noticeable drop in service. Wow I wish my cell phone never dropped a call. That may sound great but like Patrick said the carrier groups that can maybe afford the costs of the huge build out required to have that type of coverage have their ties to LTE technology or are tied up with the tough economic times as we all are. Now let's look at the present technology of 802.16d and Aperto as this thread entails. I can drive from one town to another and get associated and pass data(12Mbx8Mb). Since I drove with a CPE in my car and mobile antenna on my roof that makes me mobile on that network right. So I may have dropped a few packets as I roamed from site to site but as long as I can get IP back up everything is good. Aperto has a very reliable cost effective solution today for 3.65GHz and like any manufacture it has the functionality of WiMAX which helps a ton with service profiling for your customers. If people are not using some sort of 802.16(WiMAX) product they are falling behind in the exciting future of the Wireless Marketplace. Now a WiMAX rant, not sure if the WiMAX Forums ears are open but, I am disappointed that I do not have a CPE(802.16d) that can link to anyone's Base Stations. Sure with the onset of 802.16e that is supposed to work but the lack of earlier interoperability that the WiMAX forum promised from the onset has been disappointing to me. If we had interoperable systems like the essence of WiFi with the current WiMAX systems the marketplace may have been quicker to embrace the technology and great strides could have been made for network roaming already. Roaming agreements could already be in place if interoperability was the true focus from the beginning. End WiMAX rant John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:00 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From:
Re: [WISPA] Crossroads
Ahhh, you are right. My bad. What do you want to bet it'll end up the same way? grin marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Marlon, I think you are referring to Open Range. They got an RUS Loan but rumor is that they may turn down the loan now and go after grant money. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:37 PM To: WISPA General List; towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Crossroads Ya don't say! After they just got $350 million or whatever the number was. I'm thinking about the same company right? The one that went after all of that RUS money? marlon - Original Message - From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com To: towerown...@yahoogroups.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Crossroads Just got my notice of bankruptcy for Crossroads. Seems they were forced into a chapter 7, and are going to try to motion it to a chapter 11. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
So from the sound of this I should be looking at LTE as my next technology solution? Keeping in mind the LTE still is not here? Also keeping in mind that it will likely never be developed in an unlicensed spectrum solution except for maybe TV White spaces since the current networks that are deploying expect to use 700mhz as their solution. What does WiMAX even bring to the table then? The only spectrum to reliably deploy it in is 25mhz of 3650 spectrum since it is not interference tolerant. That seems like a large investment for such a small amount of spectrum especially since there are more cost effective products out today that are as good or better than WiMAX on the table, for many more bands of spectrum. I guess my real question is why WiMAX? PS I really would like to deploy WiMAX and expect to, but I am looking exclusively at .e since it is the only standard still being actively worked on that I am aware of. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. John Rock wrote: Well said Patrick... I would like to add - as a whole the industry uses the word mobility all the time and has used that pretense of mobile broadband coverage anywhere you go as a staple to the word WiMAX. The truth is WiMAX from about any of the WiMAX manufacturers has made great improvements in QoS and receive sensitivities with the use of smarter antenna technology but still fall short in the realm of seamless mobility most of us have grown to expect with our cell phones/hand held devices. That is 802.16d 802.16e offers the promise of mobility in a seamless sense, meaning roaming from tower to tower or sector to sector without any noticeable drop in service. Wow I wish my cell phone never dropped a call. That may sound great but like Patrick said the carrier groups that can maybe afford the costs of the huge build out required to have that type of coverage have their ties to LTE technology or are tied up with the tough economic times as we all are. Now let's look at the present technology of 802.16d and Aperto as this thread entails. I can drive from one town to another and get associated and pass data(12Mbx8Mb). Since I drove with a CPE in my car and mobile antenna on my roof that makes me mobile on that network right. So I may have dropped a few packets as I roamed from site to site but as long as I can get IP back up everything is good. Aperto has a very reliable cost effective solution today for 3.65GHz and like any manufacture it has the functionality of WiMAX which helps a ton with service profiling for your customers. If people are not using some sort of 802.16(WiMAX) product they are falling behind in the exciting future of the Wireless Marketplace. Now a WiMAX rant, not sure if the WiMAX Forums ears are open but, I am disappointed that I do not have a CPE(802.16d) that can link to anyone's Base Stations. Sure with the onset of 802.16e that is supposed to work but the lack of earlier interoperability that the WiMAX forum promised from the onset has been disappointing to me. If we had interoperable systems like the essence of WiFi with the current WiMAX systems the marketplace may have been quicker to embrace the technology and great strides could have been made for network roaming already. Roaming agreements could already be in place if interoperability was the true focus from the beginning. End WiMAX rant John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:00 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink.
Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into actions plans that have been already put into work and resulted in major changes. PacketWave is long gone now and that product bear little resemblance to PacketMAX, both in architecture and functionality. No more two cables up for instance. It is now 100% IF at the base station and PoE at the CPE. The QoS functionality is excellent. The NMS has been changed to permit local mode support and a wide range of other must have features identified by U.S. customers. The PacketMAX 802.16d product is a sound, high value, moderately priced solution with rich features and functionality. It is a living product (unlike what some competitiors might claim), undergoing continuing evolution and RD. When I was at Alvarion, I was indoctrinated to believe that d was a dead end. I have since learned that was entirely and view centric to Alvarion and others solely focused on e, because for THEM, that is true. But not for us and I think time will prove Aperto right -- d is the best WiMAX standard for fixed and in fact, e has a much less
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink.
OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Mounting Standoffs
We need some Mounting Standoffs (those little spacers that go on Microtik boards. We have mostly 411, 433 and 133 boards and while I see Titan Wireless has them for a buck apiece we also found something similar at Mouser Electronics for .53 cents each. Mouser isn't explicit as to which boards they can be mounted on, any ideas from you folks? Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
LTE = Late to Evolve. Eric Albert | Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. | -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
Long Term Evolution. Basically next step after 3G and the though stepping stone to 4G. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Is a good way to start reading. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:27:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
Okey ... 2nd time around ... Guys you gotta keep up with technology... Lte: Long Term Evolution, currently the technology of choice of cell carriers for 4G, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink.
Looks like you might have to wait a long time for next ISPCon. No show this spring and no word on one in the fall either. They are talking of co-locating but not sure with whom. Broadband Wireless world been co located with Interop but wasn't a fit and moved to NXTComm which is now defunct kinda and goes under SuperComm again. Not sure what other shows ISPCon could colocate with? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into actions plans that have been already put into work and resulted in major changes. PacketWave is long gone now and that product bear little resemblance to PacketMAX, both in architecture and functionality. No more two cables up for instance. It is now 100% IF at the base station and PoE at the CPE. The QoS functionality is excellent. The NMS has been changed to permit
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink.
Yeah. LTE have potential to kill the WISP market in metro areas and in long term even in rural when they get around to deploy there. But looks like first serious LTE deployments might not happen until 2013 or so and my guess maybe by 16 or 17 we might see as narrow spread as we currently see on 3G availability today so basically only metro areas with at least a few hundred thousand of populations. Smaller areas might by then finally gotten 3G speeds. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:53:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Okey ... 2nd time around ... Guys you gotta keep up with technology... Lte: Long Term Evolution, currently the technology of choice of cell carriers for 4G, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
I just talked to Alex last week. You are right no spring show. But there is a fall one picked out for the Mid West. I don't know if the local or date are finalized or public so I'll let him let that cat out of the bag when the time is right. marlon - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Looks like you might have to wait a long time for next ISPCon. No show this spring and no word on one in the fall either. They are talking of co-locating but not sure with whom. Broadband Wireless world been co located with Interop but wasn't a fit and moved to NXTComm which is now defunct kinda and goes under SuperComm again. Not sure what other shows ISPCon could colocate with? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz?I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink.
a.. Peak download rates of 326.4 Mbit/s for 4x4 antennas, 172.8 Mbit/s for 2x2 antennas for every 20 MHz of spectrum. [2] a.. Peak upload rates of 86.4 Mbit/s for every 20 MHz of spectrum.[2] Anyone happen to know how wide the average cell phone band is? I'm thinking that this will be better for us than for them. BTW, did anyone else notice the 5 gig monthly limit in the fine print at the bottom of the last Sprint ad? marlon - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz?I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink. Yeah. LTE have potential to kill the WISP market in metro areas and in long term even in rural when they get around to deploy there. But looks like first serious LTE deployments might not happen until 2013 or so and my guess maybe by 16 or 17 we might see as narrow spread as we currently see on 3G availability today so basically only metro areas with at least a few hundred thousand of populations. Smaller areas might by then finally gotten 3G speeds. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:53:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Okey ... 2nd time around ... Guys you gotta keep up with technology... Lte: Long Term Evolution, currently the technology of choice of cell carriers for 4G, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
I'm told ISPCON will be in the Fall in St. Louis...if you ever doubted Scriv's persuasiveness before... :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Looks like you might have to wait a long time for next ISPCon. No show this spring and no word on one in the fall either. They are talking of co-locating but not sure with whom. Broadband Wireless world been co located with Interop but wasn't a fit and moved to NXTComm which is now defunct kinda and goes under SuperComm again. Not sure what other shows ISPCon could colocate with? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they face. We've taken these findings and converted them into
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink.
Last I knew, NXTComm was still taking registrations for the summer 2009 show in Chicago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Looks like you might have to wait a long time for next ISPCon. No show this spring and no word on one in the fall either. They are talking of co-locating but not sure with whom. Broadband Wireless world been co located with Interop but wasn't a fit and moved to NXTComm which is now defunct kinda and goes under SuperComm again. Not sure what other shows ISPCon could colocate with? /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:05:36 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Hi Patrick, I have a customer in Ca. that used Aperto (on my advice). He probably started with it in 03 or so. He was much more patient that I've ever been. The failure rates were even worse than SmartBridges. I told him many a time to bail and start using other gear. As for coming down there, I need to get back to a few shows first. I'm hoping to hit the next ISPCon (though I said that last year too). Why don't you send an engineer up here for a week or two? I'll put him to work so he can learn what we have to deal with out here in the sticks. Ben Moore spent a couple of days out here a couple of years ago. It was good for both of us. Sy, I'd think a product planning/sales type consultant could do with some time crawling under trailer homes etc.! You'd be able to offer up a lot of great advice to your engineers due to the experiences gained from several days of installs! I hope things work out for you at Aperto. They are lucky to have you working for them. Now that they are a vendor member (they are right???) I hope you'll run for a board position at WISPA! marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Marlon, et al, First full disclosure: I am currently a full time consultant to Aperto, so I obviously carry some degree of a bias. Marlon, I am not sure which products you are referring to, but I suspect it is the old PacketWave products, all of which have been discontinued. Aperto today markets only one type of product: PacketMAX. While we have a strong 802.16e product in beta, PacketMAX is today an 802.16d product, which is designed for and optimized for fixed environments. In the U.S., PacketMAX supports all 5 GHz frequencies, as well as the 3.65 GHz band. These are all bands we likely agree are fixed in nature, so 802.16d is the correct version of WiMAX for these bands. 802.16e may have some future (I've learned to be much less hopeful for its efficacy as an accepted future mobile solution...actually, I am now a skeptic who believes the market forces will render it a deep back seat to LTE), but for fixed as it relates to WiMAX, 802.16d is the best of the WiMAX standards. The e version injects to much overhead and latency. Using e in a completely fixed environment is somewhat like trying to argue a sports car makes the best cargo hauler. But, this is not the main reason for my response... Aperto certainly had some big challenges in the transition from PacketWave to PacketMAX. Many of the issues were legacy and related to management decisions on what markets to focus on and accordingly what bands and solution types. Marlon, since you have visited, management has changed, including replacement of the former CEO to one who is much more pragmatic, realistic and U.S. focused. Our new CEO, Brian Deutsch (who is in large part why I joined), gets the U.S. opportunity and especially understands what Aperto can be and more importantly, what it can NOT be. Brian knows Aperto will not be the company to win major carrier business, nor should it. With the team, he has made big changes in how the company functions and responds, and with it many changes to how products are decided upon and delivered to the market, and who manages it. Recently, we made sure all product decisions and management and core work on PacketMAX 802.16d has been moved from India back to the U.S., where the core intelligence, executive visibility and competency exist. This is a decision I highly support. As part of this, we have had our most senior technical staff making long trips to key customers to live in their environments for a bit to learn how they work and the issues they
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for3.65GHz?I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink.
By the time it gets here, you should have that or better in your WISP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:09 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for3.65GHz?I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink. a.. Peak download rates of 326.4 Mbit/s for 4x4 antennas, 172.8 Mbit/s for 2x2 antennas for every 20 MHz of spectrum. [2] a.. Peak upload rates of 86.4 Mbit/s for every 20 MHz of spectrum.[2] Anyone happen to know how wide the average cell phone band is? I'm thinking that this will be better for us than for them. BTW, did anyone else notice the 5 gig monthly limit in the fine print at the bottom of the last Sprint ad? marlon - Original Message - From: e...@wisp-router.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz?I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink. Yeah. LTE have potential to kill the WISP market in metro areas and in long term even in rural when they get around to deploy there. But looks like first serious LTE deployments might not happen until 2013 or so and my guess maybe by 16 or 17 we might see as narrow spread as we currently see on 3G availability today so basically only metro areas with at least a few hundred thousand of populations. Smaller areas might by then finally gotten 3G speeds. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:53:28 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. Okey ... 2nd time around ... Guys you gotta keep up with technology... Lte: Long Term Evolution, currently the technology of choice of cell carriers for 4G, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon -
Re: [WISPA] WiMAX What?
If you want to wait forever then wait on LTE or look to the future and say I want that and build it. How long did it take for a whale to evolve into a minnow or was it the other way around??? 802.16e solutions can be ordered today if you want that type of cutting edge technology and then get out your checkbook and own the spectrum and and and As an integrator I know hundreds of people that have worked their but off to build an independent network of their own. Mostly in 900, 2.4 and 5.x. But let's face it although the WISP market probably has more wireless fixed broadband customers than any of the carriers because they do not yet really play in that space, the WISP community has no real way to take their service to the next level of roaming WITH agreements from their neighbors. The manufacturers said they cared and were going to develop a standard and interoperability for all to play in and that was what 10 years ago. Oh my how time flies. It seems to me if the Forum really would focus on the I in WiMAX then none of the current gear would really qualify to be called WiMAX(Worldwide Interoperable for Microwave Access) I can remember when WiFi was ridiculed because many of the early access units would not play with certain to many of the types of cards coming out but then someone realized for people to roam around with different cards to different access points their crap better just work or no one will buy it. Hmmm I remember in 2002 or 2003 someone telling me by 2005 or 2006 everything would be WiMAX and wifi would be heading out. That was two Laptops ago and in 2009 WiFi is what is still being put in all the laptops, why, because the main infrastructure to connect to for WiMAX just does not exist. Whereas I can go almost anywhere and jump on someone's WiFi network. Again Hmm Now the good side. QoS and the efficient use of the airwaves with GPS Sync has a huge potential IF the manufactures work toward making all of their base stations truly interoperable. The reason we have a ton of interference in the unlicensed spectrum is there is no frequency plan being used by everyone in a region along with GPS Sync. GPS Sync has HUGE potential if implemented correctly. Please don't get me wrong - that I think WiMAX is bad, actually I love it like a brother, but like a brother you have to bash him once in a while to get him to straighten up. John Rock Director of Operations - Senior Engineer Wireless Connections 166 Milan Ave., Norwalk, Oh. 44857 ACCessing the Future Today!! ofc. 419.660.6100 cell 419-706-7356 fax 419-668-4077 http://www.wirelessconnections.net This transmission and any files attached to it, may contain confidential and/or privileged information and intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, retransmission, dissemination, disclosure, copying or any use of the information or files contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender by reply transmission and delete this electronic mail. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Will Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. So from the sound of this I should be looking at LTE as my next technology solution? Keeping in mind the LTE still is not here? Also keeping in mind that it will likely never be developed in an unlicensed spectrum solution except for maybe TV White spaces since the current networks that are deploying expect to use 700mhz as their solution. What does WiMAX even bring to the table then? The only spectrum to reliably deploy it in is 25mhz of 3650 spectrum since it is not interference tolerant. That seems like a large investment for such a small amount of spectrum especially since there are more cost effective products out today that are as good or better than WiMAX on the table, for many more bands of spectrum. I guess my real question is why WiMAX? PS I really would like to deploy WiMAX and expect to, but I am looking exclusively at .e since it is the only standard still being actively worked on that I am aware of. Anthony Will Broadband Corp. John Rock wrote: Well said Patrick... I would like to add - as a whole the industry uses the word mobility all the time and has used that pretense of mobile broadband coverage anywhere you go as a staple to the word WiMAX. The truth is WiMAX from about any of the WiMAX manufacturers has made great improvements in QoS and receive sensitivities with the use of smarter antenna technology but still fall short in the realm of seamless mobility most of us have grown to expect with our cell phones/hand held devices. That is 802.16d 802.16e offers the promise of mobility in a seamless sense, meaning roaming from tower to
Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'dliketoknowwhatyouthink.
Long Term Engineering? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Eric Albert eric.alb...@alvarion.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:48:11 -0800 LTE = Late to Evolve. Eric Albert | Application Engineer Alvarion Inc. | -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd liketoknowwhatyouthink. OK, what's LTE? marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like toknowwhatyouthink. It's a fair question and it bugs me too. Fact is, I was a more than a bit blind and thought I was more objective than I really was. Also, since then the economy and other conditions has conspired to kick e in the teeth a bit. I still believe it is great technology for nomadic and perhaps mobile, but it is damned near impossible to fight the LTE interests AND the current economy that is so weak no big guys are spending big CAPEX, giving LTE all the time it needs to catch technically (and it already dominates politically). That has me moving back to where I began -- wireless broadband is primarily a fixed business, with some added nomadicity in some cases. For that, d is the better standard, at least with my current hindsight. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:33 AM To: jefftho...@fastmail.fm; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to knowwhatyouthink. Patrick, can you clarify the e vs. d for me. The reason I ask is that I saw you do the Alvarion webinar and claimed that e was the only way to go. Now that you are with Aperto, d is the only way to go. On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Booher jefftho...@fastmail.fm wrote: Marlon, What are you talking about? Our product is very reliable, and we have many very happy customers ( including some very large ones such as towerstream ) - Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know whatyouthink. I have heard NOTHING good about their product's reliability. I have one consulting customer that's still using them, his failure rates are shocking. I'd have dumped them years ago. Unless this changes I'd stay far far away from Aperto. (I've been to the Ca. offices and like the people that run the show, but that doesn't help my customers at all.) marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Anybody use Aperto for 3.65GHz? I'd like to know what youthink. We're looking to deploy 3.65GHz this year in a couple of different locations because of interference issues. So far they have the most compelling price point. I'd like to know how well it works in the field. All opinions appreciated. Hit me off list if you want to.\ Thanks, Pat - - -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
