Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Nope. In the forums they say they have no plans for the existing and announced products. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
No GPS sync, and TDMA is done in software, not hardware / fpga: http://www.ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13327start=30 Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
I was hoping for that myself. Would be seriously nice to have GPS integrated in the thing. I've only worked with the Bullets so far and no mention of that. I have some Rockets on order but since they all use AirOS, I doubt that's a doable thing. But even without GPS, it all looks to be a game changer at least on my end here. I'm still not ready to dump the Mikrotik though, the AirMax line is very much plug and play and anyone could figure it out but to do that it's less complicated and that equates to less easy to add weird configurations of the software. We all know we need lots of weird configurations from time to time. That's the bonus with Mikrotik, one can script the hell out of it. Sure, you can add scripts in Ubiquiti but not like the MT. I'd love to go 100% with UBNT but just not gonna happen soon. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? image001.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Google Earth Census Tract
Is there a Google Earth Overlay with Census Tracts out there. Form 477 setup. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Maybe this is better for the Mikrotik list, but any vendor can pick up on this if they want :) In researching the UBNT new stuff, I came across something quite interesting / promising. It appeared some newer atheros chipsets had TDMA built into the hardware, but I believe I was mistaken. There was, however, a software-based TDMA developed for FreeBSD that replaces CSMA in some Atheros chips, and another for Linux. I'm betting that is what AirMax is based on. It also looks like some folks are playing with integrating this with GPS, but I haven't found any actual implementations other than boards that support it: FreeBSD / GPS: http://siomail.ucsd.edu/pipermail/swap/2009-January/000683.html Linux: http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~prasant/pubs/conf/infocom2009-tdmac.pdf Robert West wrote: I was hoping for that myself. Would be seriously nice to have GPS integrated in the thing. I've only worked with the Bullets so far and no mention of that. I have some Rockets on order but since they all use AirOS, I doubt that's a doable thing. But even without GPS, it all looks to be a game changer at least on my end here. I'm still not ready to dump the Mikrotik though, the AirMax line is very much plug and play and anyone could figure it out but to do that it's less complicated and that equates to less easy to add weird configurations of the software. We all know we need lots of weird configurations from time to time. That's the bonus with Mikrotik, one can script the hell out of it. Sure, you can add scripts in Ubiquiti but not like the MT. I'd love to go 100% with UBNT but just not gonna happen soon. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
That's what wds does. It's slow and doesn't work very well for more than a couple of people at a time though. We build out with tranzeo cpe then broadcast with MT ap's. I like the physical separation between the actual radios, not just the antennas. marlon - Original Message - From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up
I can identify. I get people that offer their 2 cents on how where we should market - but I already have more work than I can handle. What a catch 22! -RickG On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: No. We're rotten at marketing. Actually, we're just growing as fast as we can already It's on the to do list though, does that count? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Elliott - RCS belli...@rcs.info To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up Marlon, Are you actively marketing it? We have been contemplating a backup service as well. Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up We don't promise the integrity of the data. It's a BACKUP. Chances are slim that we AND they will loose it at the same time though. Our goal is to get a couple of servers built and put a few TB of storage in them. But so far we don't even need gigs of space... shrug marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up On that note, I do percieve you will see more ISP's start their own competitive services like online backup, etc. I wonder if the companies will ever get smart and offer to pay ISP's to install mirrored servers on their network? -RickG On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We have an online backup program. It hasn't been very popular yet. We also bill per bit. Let them do those huge backups. I make money on them too! grin If they do the backups on MY system they do NOT pay the per bit fees. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] On-line back-up Is anybody doing anything about the on-line back-up programs like Mosy and Carbonite? I tend to think it's a good use of technology, but some users seem to back-up their entire hard drives and use half a meg for hours and days until it's done. Is that the intent, entire drive? Or do I have a bunch of unsophisticated users? Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. Mike - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
Engenius does this. I don't like doing it at all but as a last possible solution it works. On 8/18/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Grab a Deliberant AP Duo, have one side connect as client and other as AP. Works beautifully. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up
Yes Marlon, that counts! We are in the exact same boat, for now. Hopefully the marketing will be put together by end of next week and we can go to market. Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up I can identify. I get people that offer their 2 cents on how where we should market - but I already have more work than I can handle. What a catch 22! -RickG On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: No. We're rotten at marketing. Actually, we're just growing as fast as we can already It's on the to do list though, does that count? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Elliott - RCS belli...@rcs.info To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up Marlon, Are you actively marketing it? We have been contemplating a backup service as well. Bob Elliott Information Systems RCS Communications 502.587.7384 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up We don't promise the integrity of the data. It's a BACKUP. Chances are slim that we AND they will loose it at the same time though. Our goal is to get a couple of servers built and put a few TB of storage in them. But so far we don't even need gigs of space... shrug marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] On-line back-up On that note, I do percieve you will see more ISP's start their own competitive services like online backup, etc. I wonder if the companies will ever get smart and offer to pay ISP's to install mirrored servers on their network? -RickG On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We have an online backup program. It hasn't been very popular yet. We also bill per bit. Let them do those huge backups. I make money on them too! grin If they do the backups on MY system they do NOT pay the per bit fees. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] On-line back-up Is anybody doing anything about the on-line back-up programs like Mosy and Carbonite? I tend to think it's a good use of technology, but some users seem to back-up their entire hard drives and use half a meg for hours and days until it's done. Is that the intent, entire drive? Or do I have a bunch of unsophisticated users? Seems wrong too that a company can make money off using MY bandwidth for hours on end with no compensation. Mike - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ DISCLAIMER: This communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, (i) please do not read or disclose to others, (ii) please notify the sender by reply mail, and (iii) please delete this communication from your system. Thank you for your
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
This is not the same as WDS. The duo will give you a true repeater type setup where both sides get full possible bandwidth. Have to carefully plan your channels though if both sides are in the same band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast Engenius does this. I don't like doing it at all but as a last possible solution it works. On 8/18/09, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: Grab a Deliberant AP Duo, have one side connect as client and other as AP. Works beautifully. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
Grab a Deliberant AP Duo, have one side connect as client and other as AP. Works beautifully. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
We've used Openmesh and Meraki products to extend the coverage of our Qnodes inside concrete buildings, basements, etc. These are single-radio devices, so the bandwidth is only adequate for surfing and email. But they work great and are dirt cheap, we just hook up one of them to the ethernet port of our radio and hop the signal to where it's needed. Tom Sharples - Original Message - From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.59/2310 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
I was playing around with the Bullets last night and my connect was 150 but I'd have to have some really understanding customers to try to test more than a few with the Bullet. That can be saved for an emergency situation! We're throwing them up later this week for some new outlying backhauls. We'll see what kind of traffic we can pass once those are in place. Planning on replacing those with the rockets once they are available but for now the Bullets are cheap enough and we have low CPE count out there at the moment. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:00 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] source of install materials?
Any source for the following: Concrete cable clips Korn Clamps Hose clamps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] source of install materials?
https://dthstore.com/ Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] source of install materials? Any source for the following: Concrete cable clips Korn Clamps Hose clamps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] source of install materials?
For hose clamps I go to Lowe's. Few bucks and no shipping. I am sure there is an online resource that would be cheaper, however I doubt it would offset the cost of shipping. Do you have a local hardware store for the other things? In small quantities the hardware store will no doubt be best. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Any source for the following: Concrete cable clips Korn Clamps Hose clamps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] source of install materials?
We typically buy quite a bit from Arris Telewire Supply http://www.arrisistore.com/subcat.php?cat=N On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Plexicomm Admin ad...@plexicomm.netwrote: https://dthstore.com/ Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: [WISPA] source of install materials? Any source for the following: Concrete cable clips Korn Clamps Hose clamps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Earth Census Tract
Well, you can make them yourself by downloading the tiger data you need for your county/state and then using tgr2kml from http://freegeographytools.com/2007/convert-tiger-polygons-to-kml-files. Tiger files can be downloaded from census bureau at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tiger2006se/tgr2006se.html. Of course you will need to know yoru sate and county fips codes available at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/fips/fips65/index.html. Have fun! Cameron Is there a Google Earth Overlay with Census Tracts out there. Form 477 setup. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Earth Census Tract
I just tried it tiwh the Tiger2006 2nd edition and the program errors out when creating the kml for the Tract 2000 feature. I went back and got the original 2000 data (tracts are the same) and it worked fine. That data is availble at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tigerua/ua_tgr2k.html. Cameron Well, you can make them yourself by downloading the tiger data you need for your county/state and then using tgr2kml from http://freegeographytools.com/2007/convert-tiger-polygons-to-kml-files. Tiger files can be downloaded from census bureau at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/tiger/tiger2006se/tgr2006se.html. Of course you will need to know yoru sate and county fips codes available at http://www.census.gov/geo/www/fips/fips65/index.html. Have fun! Cameron Is there a Google Earth Overlay with Census Tracts out there. Form 477 setup. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
Tom, I've been looking at OpenMesh to do the same thing outside, but can't wrap my head around the Dashboard being outside the network. Hit me off list if you wish to share. Phil Curnutt, LCWireless, Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: We've used Openmesh and Meraki products to extend the coverage of our Qnodes inside concrete buildings, basements, etc. These are single-radio devices, so the bandwidth is only adequate for surfing and email. But they work great and are dirt cheap, we just hook up one of them to the ethernet port of our radio and hop the signal to where it's needed. Tom Sharples - Original Message - From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 7:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.59/2310 - Release Date: 08/17/09 18:04:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast
Go on Ebay and look for the Pepwave Peplink Surf or the Surf AP They are surplus Earthlink and are exactly for that purpose. I have used hundreds of them to extend Tropos Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Ap that can connect to wireless ap and then rebroadcast I am looking for a solution to extend the range of our current ap(Tropos,Colubris.) setup without having to get high dollar equipment. I have several apartment complexes where users are not getting enough signal, and wondering if anyone has a cost effective solution for a wireless repeater. I have used some ruckus 2211 dz(work great), but the cost on those is too much for what we are doing. Thanks for any suggestions. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Low cost, dual pol and high gain. 19db 120' sector @ 5GHz ;) Interesting design too. -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 19 August 2009 00:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
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Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
bit more info on the airmax protocol fro ubiquiti: Yes AirMax is the TDMA/Polling aspect of the software/hardware. This can be shut off. The backoff rules of the 802.11 protocol still apply to a certain extent (only from outside sources - inside the Ap/Client network they all have different time slots so they avoid collisions and hidden nodes all together.) So the polling doesnt take away the CSMA backoff mechanism of 802.11x from other noise sources From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Gino Villarini Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
They actually get 12MBps throughput or they are connected at the 12MBps rate? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
12Mbps download, 6Mbps upload to speedtest.net On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: They actually get 12MBps throughput or they are connected at the 12MBps rate? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Sorry dude, I love Ubiquity, but 100 subs on a atheros system on a chip at 12/6 - Impossible. 130 Mbps throughput on a 100 mb ethernet port - Impossible. 130 Mbps at 15 miles when full modulation at 40 mhz w/2 antennas is 130 Mbps is -Impossible. YOU haven't tested any of the new UBNT gear, so your suppositions are - Impossible. Regards Michael Baird I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt
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So it's not even going to work as well as a Mikrotik system with "Disable CSMA" turned on... Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: bit more info on the airmax protocol fro ubiquiti: Yes AirMax is the TDMA/Polling aspect of the software/hardware. This can be shut off. The backoff rules of the 802.11 protocol still apply to a certain extent (only from outside sources - inside the Ap/Client network they all have different time slots so they avoid collisions and hidden nodes all together.) So the polling doesnt take away the CSMA backoff mechanism of 802.11x from other noise sources From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Gino Villarini Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say "SCANNING" We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Paul Hendry" paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: "wireless" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps "real" throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency
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I'm going to call BS here... (1) You don't really have a "noisy" environment if you are able to run a basic Powerstation AP with 100 subs and have it work at all. We are on towers on hilltops that have over 120 antennas (dishes, sectors, omnis) within a 500ft radius from our tower. (2) You aren't shooting 10-15 miles in a point to multi-point configuration (3) Your math doesn't work. 100+ subs on a Powerstation AP (even if it's doing 130Mbps), that's 1.3Mbps per sub. There is no way _every_ speed test is 12Mbps down and 6Mbps up with 100 people connected. (4) How many total customers do you have on wireless? (5) Why doesn't your homepage load (www.spectrasurf.com)? (6) Our ROI using Canopy is 0 days. :) (7) Even one of the lead engineers at Ubiquiti said the product is designed more for countries with little or no internet service "where they will be happy with ISDN speeds". I have a test setup on the way. I will test and report back what the "real" world is on this equipment. ;) Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say "SCANNING" We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Paul Hendry" paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: "wireless" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps "real" throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
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Jayson, First off, I'm primarilly a Trango shop not a Moto shop, so I have not BIAS to Moto. We have evaluated Moto Advantage, along with other manufacturer OFDM gear in our attempts to find solutions for faster speeds, for next generation needs. To date, we have found PtP to be the answer for us. But the search for a better PtMP product is ongoing. Once again I will say, my comments were based on noisy environments, and on efficiency per mhz wide of spectrum used. Two polarities counts as two channels. That in no way was meant to diminish the value of the features Ubiquiti could offer for appropriate situations for the product line. The bottom line is... physics are physics. In my world, the noise floor averages -70, and I don't think I have a single sector on my network that has both the verticle and horizontal pol on a single channel available, and the odds are even lower that I could find two adjacent 20Mhz channels to combine, that would not interfere with myself.. And it should also be noted that most of the noise floor is generated by others' TDD type gear that constantly transmits carrier, so using free time to transmit is not an applicable factor to avoid interference. This is one of the reasons during our Pre-Wimax testing 5 years ago, we abandoned OFDM and Dual pol diversity PtMP set ups offered by WiMax, in favor of Trango 10mb PtMP on the fly selectable polarity solutions. We needed polarity isolation as a core interference rejection method to survive. The pre-wimax gear was lucky to pull of 1.5 mbps, after adjusting to noise, in many cases. Today when we do OFDM PtMP, we only do it in select situations and cubby holes that are adequately isolated to allow it, or as we expand to more rural areas with less congested spectrum. For us, a -97 db receive sensitivity does absolutely nothing for us when there is a noise floor of -70. There is not a single place on our network with a noise floor lower than -80. Our mentality is, even if -97 can be used today somewhere, its just a matter of time before the noise grows to prevent it, thus not a safe long term business model. My beef here is that MIMO marketing is popping up all over the place with misleading ads, that disclose lab results, leaving out the reality of what is required to accomplish the speeds they specify. I have yet to find a technical reason why MIMO yields higher throughput per mhz. And I'd be interested in hearing any factual scentific explanation of why MIMO can achieve more. In our study of Mimo, a few years back, the technical benefits of teh technology were clear in an indoor environment. These benefits were shown with multiple antennas even ALL of the same polarity. The reasoning was that signals received were addative, allowing for higher gain to be realized. (and also some benefits for multiple transmitters but taht is a more complex conversation that this thread). This was best accomplished in an indoor environment where there were MANY diverse reflections. And as a result MIMO added RANGE/Distance, or the ability to get higher modulations because RSSI was better to achieve that. But it did NOT increase efficiency per mhz to achieve higher MAX possible speed. As well, the benefits of recieve combining is drastically reduced in outdoor environments were there are less reflections and narrower beam antennas. That is all physics, and has nothing to do with a preferring a product line. Again, I'm open to any discussion from any opf teh mimo vendors to explain what MIMO adds that allows it to beat the physics of 802.11A, but when I read the manuals from the manufacturers, I just see channel and polarity combinding to reach higher speeds, and they downplay the fact that you need to disable Non-LOS benefits, to achive the speeds. For example, they might discuss better NON_LOS or distance can be achieved by using polarity diversity to send the same data, but then that gives the same speed as a single 802.11a channel, except uses twice the spectrum since two pols are taken, and actually making it half as efficient as 802.11a. Then in the next sentance say it can do double the speed of 802.11a, because it can send different data across each polarity, but take attention away from the fact that inceased range NLOS is not longer going to occur, and that two polarities are being used to get the higher throughput, which is equivellent to taking up twice the spectrum. I also should be clear that I am talking about 2 x2 Mimo, which yields less benefits than a MIMO with more antennas. I can accept the misleading adds for PtP systems because it is more likely that with narrow beam PTP antennas that free spectrum might be able to be found, expectially in rural America. But I'm not buying the case study for PtMP, at least not yet. I could possibly see MIMO as an option to reduce infrastructure needs. For example, if there was only enough spectrum ofr 6 single pol
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I am the the devil's advocateThey are one step closer. Put us some gps timing in and they got it whooped (although I doubt it will ever happen under the MAC consideration's). But for me in the middle of BFE, it will work great for a 1/3 or more of the price. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:36:21 -0400 Just looked it all over. Yep, depending on AVAILABILITY... they will definitely have a large chunk of my cash very soon. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Regards Michael Baird I'll let it be out a couple months to let some bugs get worked out of a new product with a new operating system. Still, I'd be tempted to get a pair to play with. On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:22:29AM -0500, Matt wrote: Any idea when the Bullet M5 HP will be available? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Sometimes people find that the impossible actually is possible. The world used to be flat too :) ... until their understanding increased. I have two radios on my desk that cost less than $500 for the pair including antennas that will do 100MB using MIMO technology. I also find that given the same frequency usage I get double throughput of non MIMO gear. I also find that the non-MIMO gear gets twice the throughput of the Trango gear I had, and that the Trango gear got more throughput than the last generation MOto gear etc You get the picture :) I'm calling this stuff a game changer, and its not even the Ubiquity gear (Mikrotik). Price is certainly cheap enough to play with in the near future... We shall see. All things aside, should work very well for PTP BH shots for unlicensed gear. I'd hate to be trying to sell a 10K unlicensed 100-300MB link right now with the industry changes coming about. You could spend $1000 and get two of them running together for redundancy / increased throughput / full duplex etc (I'd use OSPF to do this). The more expensive gear will still have its uses but this gear should fill a large unlicensed void that existed until now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Sorry dude, I love Ubiquity, but 100 subs on a atheros system on a chip at 12/6 - Impossible. 130 Mbps throughput on a 100 mb ethernet port - Impossible. 130 Mbps at 15 miles when full modulation at 40 mhz w/2 antennas is 130 Mbps is -Impossible. YOU haven't tested any of the new UBNT gear, so your suppositions are - Impossible. Regards Michael Baird I never said you had to believe me. I know what we do, what our environment is like, and what works for us. I know our customers always get 12Mbps, and we never get support calls. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Jason Im sorry but i find some stated facts very difficult to believe. the 25db vs 3db snr ratio is based on the fact that canopy can perform as expected with just 3db over noise. MIMO based gear needs about 25 db snr ratio on both polarities in order to achieve good performence on 64qam and 2 chains. So if your noise floor is -80, youll need a -55 signal to get the high performance. I guessing hte nano / loco units would be good for really close clients, rocket dish for all others Gino From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jayson Baker Sent: Tue 8/18/2009 7:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP MIMO (especially dual-pol) gets you much better performance. Cell phone companies have been doing this for years and years. You're 3dB vs 25dB comment is misleading. UBNT may need a received level of -70dBm to achieve higher speeds... but, so does a Canopy. You can't expect to achieve anything on a Canopy with, say, a -97dBm signal. Furthermore, UBNT will actually link around -95dBm and work, albeit slow. Canopy will say SCANNING We have tested these products, and have networks deployed both here in the states and in Costa Rica. You wouldn't think it, but Costa Rica has waaay more noise than we do here. The government uses 2.4 and 5GHz for random things, people have way overamp'ed equipment, there are a ton of little WISP's, etc. Canopy down there performs as expected... a couple mbps up, a couple mbps down. UBNT MIMO blows it away, especially with AirMax and in a noisy environment. When testing the MIMO you can't just run a single stream, they work best with many streams. We have seen about 130Mbps on a full-duplex on a deployed link, around 15 miles, in a noisy environment. With the PtMP equipment, we see similar results. With the older non-N non-MIMO equipment, we have seen up to 100+ subs on a single PowerStation AP, all getting at least 12Mbps/6Mbps, and latency always under 10ms. I get it, it's a Motorola list. We're on here because we use some of that too. Not much, anymore, because there are much better products out there. I'm sure this will start a flame war, as talk of anything other than Canopy always does, and I don't really care. The equipment is cheap enough, if you want to see it for yourself buy some and put it in. When you see it works as well as we've seen, you, too, can offer your subs 12Mbps for $25/mo and make killer profits. Our ROI on a new install is 1 Day. We make money the day it's installed. And it just works, we never have customers calling to complain. Cheers! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yeah, but its misleading garbage
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Hey Travis, your feedback is always valued. Thanks for sharing your testing with us. I look forward to hearing about it... Have you had a chance to test some MT MIMO gear out there yet? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Tom, I believe there is a huge advantage to being able to use HPOL and VPOL at the same time with the same 20Mhz channel and get twice the bandwidth. Its sort of like your personal gps sync within the device. Realistically (for me anyway) I find that if there is strong noise on a give channel and its close enough (same tower / site) than changing the polarity won't help make the freq usable any way. Therefore I argue that MIMO (2x2) allows for BH use the actual more efficient use of spectrum. I do not compare that at all to the same as using two different 20Mhz chunks of spectrum and argue that you can indeed get twice the bandwidth out of the same 20Mhz (or 40Mhz if your environment allows) spectrum. I'm seeing it right now in my test gear or I'd be a skeptical as the bunch... I like what I see so far but my testing has been somewhat limited. I'll know a lot more this time next month. I'm sure this discussion will do nothing but get more interesting in the near future when the rubber hits the road. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Need Media converters
I need 4 media converters asap. Looking for non-hardened 100MB SC Multimode simple plain jane stuff. I've purchase some from Versatek in CA for about $50 I can get them from Fiberdyne for about the same but they are out of stock. I can get Trendnet for about the same too but I don't use them any more because I have had multiple cases of having to reboot them to bring link back up and I'm over it. Anyone recommend some decent ones in this price range (cheap)? Only need to go a couple of hundred feet between customer router and radio. Must be fiber cat5 not an option in this case. Thanks in advance for your suggestions... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need Media converters
Patton or Allied Telysis On 8/18/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I need 4 media converters asap. Looking for non-hardened 100MB SC Multimode simple plain jane stuff. I've purchase some from Versatek in CA for about $50 I can get them from Fiberdyne for about the same but they are out of stock. I can get Trendnet for about the same too but I don't use them any more because I have had multiple cases of having to reboot them to bring link back up and I'm over it. Anyone recommend some decent ones in this price range (cheap)? Only need to go a couple of hundred feet between customer router and radio. Must be fiber cat5 not an option in this case. Thanks in advance for your suggestions... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Yes, I have a "test" set of the MT with the R52n card. I was able to do 55Mbps of actual TCP throughput with a single antenna using RB411 boards. So, for about $200 for a complete link (plus antennas), you can have a 50Mbps ptp link using a single 20mhz channel (and single polarity). I also saw the same results with the Bullet5M units. They are easy, fast and should work very well for point to point links. Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Hey Travis, your feedback is always valued. Thanks for sharing your testing with us. I look forward to hearing about it... Have you had a chance to test some MT MIMO gear out there yet? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:27 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] source of install materials?
A few years ago I took a tip from all the satellite installers around here. They use skywalker.com. I've been very happy with their prices and selection. -RickG BTW: I also use Lowes for hose clamps! On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Any source for the following: Concrete cable clips Korn Clamps Hose clamps Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
We do have the gear, both MikroTik and Ubiquiti. In the test lab situation with Ubiquiti we are only seeing 25-30MBit/s. In real world my customers are seeing the same thing. I'm hoping to get another test going tomorrow to check to see if we can do anything better than 25-30MBit/s. I wish I had better results, but we can't get the throughput advertised. Problem is, Mikrotik 802.11a/b/g gets the same thing. MikroTik's first RouterOS to feature the n protocol was slightly lacking, but hey it's beta. Next release came out and fixed quite a few of the issues. One thing we do have in play is MikroTik's 802.11n gear. I'm using ARC dual-pol antennas, with the R5N, real world testing at 3 Miles PtP, 60+MBit/s (we don't have 100% perfect LOS, I see the top of the 300' tower, and we're at 150' for this link). Not bad for a set of devices at under $500. I'm not trying to bash Jayson's email. I don't see how you can get 130Mbit when the port is 100Mbit. The only way I could imagine that a PowerStation AP could get 100 subs with 12MB/6MB is when 99 of them are not using it and 1 is, but even at that, I don't believe it. The simple way the 802.11a/b/g protocol works, the beacons it sends out, wireless frames, the so called noisy environment, that has all been portrayed makes me extremely skeptical. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Hey Travis, your feedback is always valued. Thanks for sharing your testing with us. I look forward to hearing about it... Have you had a chance to test some MT MIMO gear out there yet? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NS-LOCO2 on Dish
Could not get a connection through a couple of trees with the bare LOCO - signal was ~ -90. Put it on a Securalign dish for grins and now have -71dB. I don't think I got the antenna in the exact focal point but it's pretty close. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Chuck Hogg wrote: ... I'm not trying to bash Jayson's email. I don't see how you can get 130Mbit when the port is 100Mbit. The way Ubiquiti justified this in a forum post was that the 130Mbps is total throughput (up and down). 100Mbps ethernet at full duplex is 100Mbps in each direction. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need Media converters
I've used Versa and Trendnet with 100% success. We must have probably a dozen trendnet receivers in operation and 8-10 versanet tranceivers in operation. That's the cheap stuff. It's cheap lightning protection and a reliable link. We also have some Transition Networks and Canary gear that has also been flawless. We also use procurve gbic/mini-gbics when we have managed switches involved, as they work well and they are economical choices in the auction aftermarket. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:59:16PM -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: I need 4 media converters asap. Looking for non-hardened 100MB SC Multimode simple plain jane stuff. I've purchase some from Versatek in CA for about $50 I can get them from Fiberdyne for about the same but they are out of stock. I can get Trendnet for about the same too but I don't use them any more because I have had multiple cases of having to reboot them to bring link back up and I'm over it. Anyone recommend some decent ones in this price range (cheap)? Only need to go a couple of hundred feet between customer router and radio. Must be fiber cat5 not an option in this case. Thanks in advance for your suggestions... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
I concur with Scott's idea that you get more efficient spectrum use. We have just installed a Solectek excel link which uses 2x2 mimo. We have a dual polarity 3' dish at one and and 2' dual polarity at the other end of the 14 mile link. We upgraded an Alvarion VL ptp link which maxed out at about 32mb. This Solectek is advertised as 100+mb, and uses the same 20mhz. We were getting 75mbit using rb433ah as the testing devices while 15-20mbit of traffic was already on the link, and we didn't have the modulation all the way up either. It could go faster if we used PCs to test, used top modulation, used multiple data sources to test, weren't doing it with live traffic, etc... So the testing is very preliminary but the performance is definitely not overstated in this case. So we've effectively tripled our bandwidth over a traditional OFDM link using the same amount of spectrum. We needed the speed right now and didn't want to wait for the UBNT product to be available and mature, and didn't want to be slowed down by a licensing process for a fancier high bandwidth system. Whether it's useful for ptmp depends on the frequency and location. Both polarities are not always available for ptmp use. Sometimes this is so because of interference from other WISPs, sometimes it's due to your own spectrum management where you alternate polarities when the same frequeny is used in an overlapping area but from a different tower. On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:50:52PM -0400, Scott Carullo wrote: Tom, I believe there is a huge advantage to being able to use HPOL and VPOL at the same time with the same 20Mhz channel and get twice the bandwidth. Its sort of like your personal gps sync within the device. Realistically (for me anyway) I find that if there is strong noise on a give channel and its close enough (same tower / site) than changing the polarity won't help make the freq usable any way. Therefore I argue that MIMO (2x2) allows for BH use the actual more efficient use of spectrum. I do not compare that at all to the same as using two different 20Mhz chunks of spectrum and argue that you can indeed get twice the bandwidth out of the same 20Mhz (or 40Mhz if your environment allows) spectrum. I'm seeing it right now in my test gear or I'd be a skeptical as the bunch... I like what I see so far but my testing has been somewhat limited. I'll know a lot more this time next month. I'm sure this discussion will do nothing but get more interesting in the near future when the rubber hits the road. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
