Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
One particular farmer I dealt with had a similar experience. He had a 900 Mhz panel on his machine shed from a competitor (actually my upstream) They sold the boxes to this fellow with no regard to what it was going to do to existing 900 MHz gear. Well he called me and told me his Internet connection was just going so slow it might as well be dialup. When I went to check it out, the first thing I saw was the GPS unit on his tractor. I asked him if it was new. It was last spring. He told me he had a newfangled device that was guiding him in the fields. I just smiled and told him he was killing his own connection. The resolve was to do away with the 900 and put a 5.8 panel on his machine shed. I then built a 2.4 private network for them using half channel gear. His neighbor across the street is a stock broker and absolutely needed high speed. He too is on this network. So, from a business standpoint, we turned an engineering problem into an opportunity. They were more than happy to pay for the engineering and equipment. It works great for them and solved a self induced problem. I'm not sure the guys building the GPS networks are even aware of how much spectrum they use, or the problems it is causing existing spectrum users. But, such are the perils of part 15 spectrum. Mike At 09:57 PM 10/16/2009, you wrote: Well, our conglomerate of dealers isn't too ad to work with, but in our area they are running right at 4 watts EIRP. I got them to agrre to turn them off after harvest. They just came in and putt htis stuff up, told the farmer it wouldn't hurt us at all. I think the biggest issue is that we are on the same structure, so our yagis ar pointed right at their antenna too. they are running vertical here, and we run horizontal, but it is still enough to take us into 1X. they claim they cannot program the hop frequencies. they also did say that JD is coming out with a new radio this spring and they have some big incentives to upgrade. the dealer didn't know what frequency it was, but he said he had to register each site with the FCC. could be whitespace i suppose, but i didn't think that anything was ready there yet, otherwise 3650 comes to mind. The machinery only needs to receive 1 of 10 transmissions, so they can deal with a lot. On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm installing an AP soon on a grain leg that has one of those on it. What type of problems have you seen with them? First one I ever have come across, had to ask farmer boy what the heck it was. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Bushard Jr Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 How many of you have run across the John Deere RTK GPS Repeaters? those are really fun too. On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer DiversiCOM / Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
[WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
17 miles at 30MB on 20Mhz channel Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
We have looked at Mikrotik in the pass as an AP, but the learning curve is to steep for our volunteer organization. Phil On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Several are right around 7 miles. Through put well exceeds what I need (3 megs tops) so I have never checked on it. Currently they're running 20mhz channels and the bandwidth test shows 15 megs aggregate. RSSI is -78 and it is running WDS (which eats bandwidth). These links were the Airmux's I tried replacing but I was having some screwy issues with them. After spending hours trying to fix it, we just swapped it with these ARC/411 kits we were using as CPEs. Unfortunately we didn't have any 411ah ones so the boards I am using are 411. I have one customer that wanted his own little slice of Internet and wanted this same setup (411 boards again as it's literally just one user, power user though he is). This link is at -65 but only at 4 miles and WDS again and can perform up to 25 megs. The 7 mile links have been trouble free since we put them up - 201 days. Maybe a bit more as I may have rebooted them for firmware updates between then and now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Not bad for the price of the equipment. What antenna are you putting that through? Have you tried any of the N cards in a backhaul yet? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Several are right around 7 miles. Through put well exceeds what I need (3 megs tops) so I have never checked on it. Currently they're running 20mhz channels and the bandwidth test shows 15 megs aggregate. RSSI is -78 and it is running WDS (which eats bandwidth). These links were the Airmux's I tried replacing but I was having some screwy issues with them. After spending hours trying to fix it, we just swapped it with these ARC/411 kits we were using as CPEs. Unfortunately we didn't have any 411ah ones so the boards I am using are 411. I have one customer that wanted his own little slice of Internet and wanted this same setup (411 boards again as it's literally just one user, power user though he is). This link is at -65 but only at 4 miles and WDS again and can perform up to 25 megs. The 7 mile links have been trouble free since we put them up - 201 days. Maybe a bit more as I may have rebooted them for firmware updates between then and now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
ARC kits http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= They LOOK LIKE this picture http://quicklinkwireless.com/mmQUICK/Images/KIT-58-23A-R52H.jpg Decent CPE devices too, though costly. The arm is a bit short so it can't turn all the way in 1/5 installs. Throw a pipe into the situation and you're set for life! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not bad for the price of the equipment. What antenna are you putting that through? Have you tried any of the N cards in a backhaul yet? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Several are right around 7 miles. Through put well exceeds what I need (3 megs tops) so I have never checked on it. Currently they're running 20mhz channels and the bandwidth test shows 15 megs aggregate. RSSI is -78 and it is running WDS (which eats bandwidth). These links were the Airmux's I tried replacing but I was having some screwy issues with them. After spending hours trying to fix it, we just swapped it with these ARC/411 kits we were using as CPEs. Unfortunately we didn't have any 411ah ones so the boards I am using are 411. I have one customer that wanted his own little slice of Internet and wanted this same setup (411 boards again as it's literally just one user, power user though he is). This link is at -65 but only at 4 miles and WDS again and can perform up to 25 megs. The 7 mile links have been trouble free since we put them up - 201 days. Maybe a bit more as I may have rebooted them for firmware updates between then and now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:05 -0400, Robert West wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. I have done this several times. See this blog entry for some basic details on HOW to accomplish it. http://tinyurl.com/3w74jg I am happy to assist with such a network. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
On price...it probably can't be beaten. $400 bucks to move 15 to 30 megs is a nice feeling. On quality...30 megs per 20mhz of precious precious spectrum? MT uses cat5 up the tower so you can upgrade to AN80s later. Not sure about the Motorola PTP, Ligowave, etc products. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: ARC kits http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= They LOOK LIKE this picture http://quicklinkwireless.com/mmQUICK/Images/KIT-58-23A-R52H.jpg Decent CPE devices too, though costly. The arm is a bit short so it can't turn all the way in 1/5 installs. Throw a pipe into the situation and you're set for life! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Not bad for the price of the equipment. What antenna are you putting that through? Have you tried any of the N cards in a backhaul yet? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Several are right around 7 miles. Through put well exceeds what I need (3 megs tops) so I have never checked on it. Currently they're running 20mhz channels and the bandwidth test shows 15 megs aggregate. RSSI is -78 and it is running WDS (which eats bandwidth). These links were the Airmux's I tried replacing but I was having some screwy issues with them. After spending hours trying to fix it, we just swapped it with these ARC/411 kits we were using as CPEs. Unfortunately we didn't have any 411ah ones so the boards I am using are 411. I have one customer that wanted his own little slice of Internet and wanted this same setup (411 boards again as it's literally just one user, power user though he is). This link is at -65 but only at 4 miles and WDS again and can perform up to 25 megs. The 7 mile links have been trouble free since we put them up - 201 days. Maybe a bit more as I may have rebooted them for firmware updates between then and now. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Josh, What's your longest link with that setup and what's your throughput? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Not to put Ligowave in the background but what about Mikrotik? I have been really happy with the 411ah + ARC mini-backhauls. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com wrote: We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Thanks, Butch. There is much value in your experience. I'll look it over and will certainly ask some questions if they decide to do this. Thanks again. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:05 -0400, Robert West wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. I have done this several times. See this blog entry for some basic details on HOW to accomplish it. http://tinyurl.com/3w74jg I am happy to assist with such a network. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
I want a car, a boat, an rv, a 2nd home, what else? You get it all! But wait, there's more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four -rickg On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I violated his legal rights... What other things do I have the legal right to that I don't have, I wonder... This is that Entitlement crap again. I'm entitled to fresh water, nutritious and healthy food, safe place to live, 100mb download speed internet, blah, blah, blah. Bunch of babies. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right On Oct 16, 2009, at 4:46 PM, Robert West wrote: I can see somewhere in the near future, after all major technologies converge into devices that run on whatever version of the internet we will have at that time, that this would be a feasible argument however at this moment and probably in the next 10 years the vast majority of us will be able to live and survive perfectly fine with no internet. I don't understand the 1mg limit for the human right. Keep in mind, it's a *legal* right (soon) in Finland, not a human right. People are conflating the French decree with Finland's. Chuck Most information, other than video, can be had at mere dial up speed. How would slower internet speeds be the difference between life or death? My 15 year old. Dad! If I can't see the Whack-a-kitty video on YouTube I'm just gonna die! Okay, that much I DO understand. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Hulsebus Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right FYI From SANS Newsbites Vol. 11 Num. 82 : Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right --Finland Declares 1Mb Broadband Access a Legal Right (October 14 15, 2009) The Finnish government has enacted a law making 1Mb broadband Internet access a legal right. The law will take effect in July 2010. The country may eventually guarantee its citizens the right to 100Mb broadband connections. Finland's Transport and Communications Ministry spokesperson Laura Vikkonen was quoted as saying that We think [the Internet is] something you cannot live without in modern society. Like banking services or water or electricity, you need an Internet connection. Earlier this year, France declared Internet access to be a human right. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10374831-2.html http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/posted/archive/2009/10/15/finland-m akes-broadband-internet-a-legal-right.aspx Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC www.portative.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N 16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units. If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order. These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
Friday morning sales... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:33 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units.If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order.These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be doubling their throughput. I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser
Regardless of the technical side, I would urge you before spending any money or time - contact the AG's office or whoever is the TAC for NCIC in Ohio. While OHLEG does have an internet portal, when you go to the other data centers such as LEADS or NCIC your transport options begin to disappear, as well as mixing the pipe with internet. I have seen this issue cause a couple of real issues before. NLETS is the tool for checking information from other states. It ties all the state networks and the federal systems together. http://www.nlets.org/ When an officer runs a tag, or DL, etc, it dips the state databases, and also dips many other databases through NLETS. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Is he Selling the ligo stuff? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be doubling their throughput. I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
You did not expect me to type all that from a Blackberry did you? LOL Thanks Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:59:03 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser Regardless of the technical side, I would urge you before spending any money or time - contact the AG's office or whoever is the TAC for NCIC in Ohio. While OHLEG does have an internet portal, when you go to the other data centers such as LEADS or NCIC your transport options begin to disappear, as well as mixing the pipe with internet. I have seen this issue cause a couple of real issues before. NLETS is the tool for checking information from other states. It ties all the state networks and the federal systems together. http://www.nlets.org/ When an officer runs a tag, or DL, etc, it dips the state databases, and also dips many other databases through NLETS. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul
Redeploying for customer point to point links for now... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:59 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul Is he Selling the ligo stuff? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:50 PM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: You might want to check out the Radwin 2000 also... it's probably going to cost a bit more, but I have at least one customer that is ripping out Ligowave links and replacing them with Radwin... he claims to be doubling their throughput. I'd be happy to provide quotes offlist :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave backhaul We have been getting along with Tranzeo TR5a's on PTP, but with increasing traffic they have begun to bog down during peak usage. So we are looking for a reasonably price alternative with higher throughput and less jitter. Ligowave fits the price point along with the Tranzeo FDD's, but we have tried the FDD's in the past and weren't very impressed although they have put a higher power radio in them now. Our critical hops range from seven miles to less than two although we have some in the twelve to fourteen mile range as well so we are looking for something that performs well in a variety of situations. Sounds like you are pretty happy with the Ligowave. Phil On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.netwrote: Yep. I have about 10 links up in the air and am installing another 3 links in the next few days. Ligowave has become my preferred BH radio. What questions would you like answered? - Matt Phil Curnutt wrote: Anyone with experience using the LIgowave PTP 5n backhaul radio's? Phil --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Josh, It kind of depends where you live, just like it does for any 3G service. Where I personally live, ATT's 3G service is excellent. I switched from Verizon and have better coverage and better performance. I'm sure the reverse is true in other areas...but you really cannot legitimately make blanket statements like that when they need coverage in a specific relatively small area. Chuck On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I strongly advise avoiding ATT's 3G service. I haven't been impressed at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
West Bend Wisconson St Louis MO Chicago IL Top Sail Beach NC All the way up and down I75 in Ohio Not one of these places has a solid ATT 3G service. Neither using the PC Express Card nor the integrated Sierra modem. I have had what I consider bad service all around, which is why I said what I did. Not saying it will be bad, but I would avoid it. You have had the opposite experience, so you said what you said. Just voicing my experience and my opinion... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Josh, It kind of depends where you live, just like it does for any 3G service. Where I personally live, ATT's 3G service is excellent. I switched from Verizon and have better coverage and better performance. I'm sure the reverse is true in other areas...but you really cannot legitimately make blanket statements like that when they need coverage in a specific relatively small area. Chuck On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I strongly advise avoiding ATT's 3G service. I haven't been impressed at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger!
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser
I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Who makes 4.9 gear and what would you need in the police cruiser? On 10/17/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser
Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could
Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course, no vendor sale items. That's my take on it at least. As Matt says, he would rather sell to a member of the group before going outside with it and I see and agree on his feelings on that. With not listing here then how else can he offer to the people he thinks would better appreciate what he no longer needs? In my opinion, we should have an outlet to the group only to post things. Does anyone else feel the same on this or am I living inside my own little world yet again? I took my medication, I checked, so maybe this isnt really a bad idea.? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N 16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units. If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order. These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
What type of 4.9GHz gear... point to point, point to multipoint, mesh? Motorola makes 4.9GHz gear for all of those applications... Proxim has it for point to point and point to multipoint... I think Firetide has 4.9GHz Mesh... Redline has a point to point radio I believe... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:25 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser Who makes 4.9 gear and what would you need in the police cruiser? On 10/17/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
What about the air card? I would assume that the aircard service fee isn't being paid by the state? That would be the ideal situation but this town Very political. I know there would be a fight over who had access to it and when and anything else they could fight over. But I;; write that down as an option to go over with them. One never knows. Ruggedized dells.. A far cry from this nasty Acer laptops from Wal-Mart. But they are worth the price they are paying for them, free. Thanks for the idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Then you should sue them for a violation of your god given broadband rights as a human being! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I strongly advise avoiding ATT's 3G service. I haven't been impressed at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
So the cops could be watching You Porn while driving at 144mph? That's a very good selling point that could sway some departments. I personally like the Cellular option. The infrastructure is already in place for the most part, just tie into office system with a VPN and a firewall and they should be good. The bonus would be having an internal card in the machine instead of the USB deal. It all comes down to money for the monthly fee, I bet. The biggest plus on that I see is if they transport a prisoner, which they have to do since they have no jail (Thank god!) and they have to go 15 miles away to the sheriff's department. So, this would be my pick after all if the politics turn out to be good, an internal card in the laptop would make that an easier sell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:45 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service I have done this MANY times without cellular and without mesh. Cellular is too expensive and WAY too slow to be really very useful. Mesh is simply not needed for what MOST of them need. or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). You are thinking that an officer of the law is gonna be using the network while driving at 30MPH+? If their need is to have it working that way, then I would agree that it may be necessary to increase coverage. Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. In some cases, these networks have been paid for with Homeland Security $$. No cost to the city. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. Of course. It's all about explaining benefits and pitfalls. Once the network needs are known (which they are not at this point), THEN a solution is devised. For what it's worth, the second time I did this type of network, we watched a LIVE streaming video from one cop car as it drove all over town without more than a 1 second hiccup (which happened 2 times). Additionally, he was talking to us via an 802.11g wireless voip phone and NEVER lost the call. This was using a mixture of 2.4GHz 802.11b, 802.11g and 900MHz (Mikrotik 802.11a I think), if you're interested. Not too bad for not having purchased, or even considered Moto. I think to dismiss a technology outright before understanding what good engineering can do is pretty short sighted. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
You must think the wireless carriers defy physics is you don't believe you can deploy any solution yourself that can't go over 30MPH. Why would your 4.9 not work over 30MPH. Put one good set of equipment on a tall tower with no noise and you are home free. Actually I'd put two sets on the tower for redundancy but you get the picture. Of course, it does depend on the environment as far as mountains, tunnels, forests, large tall buildings etc - I have no idea on the area I'm just suggesting it as an option to have unless it doesn't work - for some other reason that it can go 30MPH lol I promise it looks like the car is motionless then the radio wave travels near speed of light. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
I agree 100% that cellular is the best option for case like this :-D But if you need watch Youporn while flying in an Apache helicopter... Motorola has an app for that :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser So the cops could be watching You Porn while driving at 144mph? That's a very good selling point that could sway some departments. I personally like the Cellular option. The infrastructure is already in place for the most part, just tie into office system with a VPN and a firewall and they should be good. The bonus would be having an internal card in the machine instead of the USB deal. It all comes down to money for the monthly fee, I bet. The biggest plus on that I see is if they transport a prisoner, which they have to do since they have no jail (Thank god!) and they have to go 15 miles away to the sheriff's department. So, this would be my pick after all if the politics turn out to be good, an internal card in the laptop would make that an easier sell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other ways to complain other than not paying an invoice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
air cards are a good option as well... usually having them attached to a laptop requires vpn or other encryption software on the laptop which is a bit problematic in real world scenarios ive seen. I would recommend taking air card, plugging it directly into mikrotik router and having mikrotik router at police hq (or wherever that it) and attaching the mikrotik in the cruiser to the laptop with ethernet. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser What about the air card? I would assume that the aircard service fee isn't being paid by the state? That would be the ideal situation but this town Very political. I know there would be a fight over who had access to it and when and anything else they could fight over. But I;; write that down as an option to go over with them. One never knows. Ruggedized dells.. A far cry from this nasty Acer laptops from Wal-Mart. But they are worth the price they are paying for them, free. Thanks for the idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser
What... I never said 4.9GHz doesn't work past 30MPH. I know for a fact it does What I said is that to assume you put a 4.9GHz AP on a tower in the middle of town and that's going to do it is very short sighted. The EIRP rules in 4.9GHz are not great... and physics is going to prevent you from penetrating tree canopy and houses. Furthermore... point to point operations are the primary use of 4.9GHz spectrum, not point to multipoint. There are lots of politics with the spectrum also... for instance what happens if the county moves in during an emergency and wants to turn on their 4.9GHz gear... usually they get priority and you have to shut off your network. That's why 4.9GHz is not great for mobility... UNLESS your deploying a Mesh. I probably should have specified better ;-D Even then... if the noise floor is low enough... 900MHz and 2.4GHz may be better solutions for signal propagation... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser You must think the wireless carriers defy physics is you don't believe you can deploy any solution yourself that can't go over 30MPH. Why would your 4.9 not work over 30MPH. Put one good set of equipment on a tall tower with no noise and you are home free. Actually I'd put two sets on the tower for redundancy but you get the picture. Of course, it does depend on the environment as far as mountains, tunnels, forests, large tall buildings etc - I have no idea on the area I'm just suggesting it as an option to have unless it doesn't work - for some other reason that it can go 30MPH lol I promise it looks like the car is motionless then the radio wave travels near speed of light. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser
Yeah. We would dump this right in their lap and outline that the system is strictly for transporting data. Data security is their responsibility. We do the same thing in the banking and health care industry. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:05:05 To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Yeah, that's the part I was leery of when he asked. I knew there were some sort of safeguards that had to be followed and I'm totally green in that area. We've done a few medical sites that had to be HIPPA compliant and it wasn't such a big deal but I hate messing with the cops. They have other ways to complain other than not paying an invoice. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Stationto Cruiser Be careful of the new federal encryption requirements for anything hooked up to the National Crime Computers. A lot of states have new rules also when interfacing to the state DMV and crime networks Just FYI -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Thanks, Blake, Yeah, I had in my mind to talk to someone at the State side of things since this guy didn't seem to have any clue about what he could and couldn't do. Hey, they're cops, they make it up as they go along.. I just need to be pointed away from the wrong ideas! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser Regardless of the technical side, I would urge you before spending any money or time - contact the AG's office or whoever is the TAC for NCIC in Ohio. While OHLEG does have an internet portal, when you go to the other data centers such as LEADS or NCIC your transport options begin to disappear, as well as mixing the pipe with internet. I have seen this issue cause a couple of real issues before. NLETS is the tool for checking information from other states. It ties all the state networks and the federal systems together. http://www.nlets.org/ When an officer runs a tag, or DL, etc, it dips the state databases, and also dips many other databases through NLETS. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
In my area, South Central Ohio, Verizon, Sprint, ATT all have issues. The latency is all over the place and the ul/dl speeds are inconsistent over the span of even 5 minutes. I have a customer who we were trying to hook up to her office in town from her home in BFE via VPN but it was miserable. Both Sprint and Verizon gave her fits. She was supposed to have a 2mb download and 1mb upload and it was running between 512 and 768 most of the time and it was pinging in the 200 range. Nasty, nasty, nasty. But of course near a better populated place, it would fly. Love that 3G network! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser West Bend Wisconson St Louis MO Chicago IL Top Sail Beach NC All the way up and down I75 in Ohio Not one of these places has a solid ATT 3G service. Neither using the PC Express Card nor the integrated Sierra modem. I have had what I consider bad service all around, which is why I said what I did. Not saying it will be bad, but I would avoid it. You have had the opposite experience, so you said what you said. Just voicing my experience and my opinion... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Josh, It kind of depends where you live, just like it does for any 3G service. Where I personally live, ATT's 3G service is excellent. I switched from Verizon and have better coverage and better performance. I'm sure the reverse is true in other areas...but you really cannot legitimately make blanket statements like that when they need coverage in a specific relatively small area. Chuck On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I strongly advise avoiding ATT's 3G service. I haven't been impressed at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser
And that's what my original thought was. I'm big on the trade and I would love to have full reign of the water tower in exchange for free labor. I could use the thing for a redundant gateway since Time Warner runs right past it and it's in a good spot for backhauling to some outlying grain legs... Like I don't have enough going on already Evil expansion thoughts, get out of my head, damn you!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Aren't there frequencies set aside for law enforcement and other safety services? Hey, I'm a freebie kinds dude, the licensed thing has been what the other people with cash use. However, if they have their own spectrum why not use it? If 4.9 Safety Services? I could look it up but hey, you know -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:25 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser Who makes 4.9 gear and what would you need in the police cruiser? On 10/17/09, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I hear ya, brother. As I said before, the cops make me nervous anyhow. Especially this guy who gave me a ticket for a crooked license plate. That was an interesting evening to be sure. No matter what they want to do or not do, I'll have to make it clear that it's gonna be a we'll see how it works when it works thing. I'm fairly good and letting them know that if they want a sure thing they have to pay lots of bucks but a maybe costs a whole lot less. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:39 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This
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I would guess just one AP on the water tower of Town Hall. The place is all flat, no tall buildings but lots of residential with trees. If he could drive, say, faster than 299,792,458 miles per second, he could probably drive back to the station and answer his own radio call. In that case the 4.9 wouldn't be any good. But it's theory at this point since my light speed sled is in the shop for a trany rebuild. But being a small town cop, they usually just sit in the parking lots on the edge of town hoping for speeders. They have, I think, only 2 cars, donated by the state as they replaced them with newer ones. They have no dispatcher, that's handled by the sheriff's department. They can get the same info over the radio but I think he wants to see the actually picture of the drivers license and to be able to see more detailed information of the person he has stopped for driving 39 in a 35mph zone. ( I lost on that one, after all it IS technically speeding, said the judge Sigh) So I see value in what he is trying to do. But I doubt he'll be moving around much while using it, just parked in a lot looking at porn or behind a car running the plates. I kid but I have respect for these guys. Well, most of them anyhow! I certainly don't want to pull people over at night because they have a parking light out. That's lawlessness I don't need to see. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser You must think the wireless carriers defy physics is you don't believe you can deploy any solution yourself that can't go over 30MPH. Why would your 4.9 not work over 30MPH. Put one good set of equipment on a tall tower with no noise and you are home free. Actually I'd put two sets on the tower for redundancy but you get the picture. Of course, it does depend on the environment as far as mountains, tunnels, forests, large tall buildings etc - I have no idea on the area I'm just suggesting it as an option to have unless it doesn't work - for some other reason that it can go 30MPH lol I promise it looks like the car is motionless then the radio wave travels near speed of light. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:39 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from StationtoCruiser Not for mobility it won't. 4.9GHz is great for point to point or point to multipoint... but if you want mobility... your back to a 4.9GHz mesh to make it work reliably. There is an alvarion 900MHz system that alvarion claims will work from one tower in a situation like this... but without having touched it I won't recommend it :-D It probably comes down to two things: 1) What are the throughput requirements 2) Is mobility required (mobility meaning driving around the city and staying connected) Either way... the most cost effective solution (especially if there is only one or two cars on the force) is going to be utilizing some sort of 3G service. Mesh networks (and I should specify, Mesh networks designed with high speed mobility in mind... some sort of proprietary protocol has to be used for the switching) are going to provide the best coverage at high speeds with the highest throughput... along with giving the city a network it controls. If mobility isn't required... you could do more of a hotspot type solution... or a high gain omni on the car with some high gain omni's on the towers... but there would be no guarantee of reliable service everywhere... Robert... no matter what make sure before you do anything that the expectations are clear, and that you have a contract written. If the city doesn't like the way the network performs, you could have a serious lawsuit on your hands (since it is a public safety application). Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser I myself would look into 4.9 or other licensed spectrum. Then you could have gear on one tower and service the whole area... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station toCruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is
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They do? Oh, man, it's a $2.99 download fee from Verizon. Forget that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I agree 100% that cellular is the best option for case like this :-D But if you need watch Youporn while flying in an Apache helicopter... Motorola has an app for that :-D Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:54 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser So the cops could be watching You Porn while driving at 144mph? That's a very good selling point that could sway some departments. I personally like the Cellular option. The infrastructure is already in place for the most part, just tie into office system with a VPN and a firewall and they should be good. The bonus would be having an internal card in the machine instead of the USB deal. It all comes down to money for the monthly fee, I bet. The biggest plus on that I see is if they transport a prisoner, which they have to do since they have no jail (Thank god!) and they have to go 15 miles away to the sheriff's department. So, this would be my pick after all if the politics turn out to be good, an internal card in the laptop would make that an easier sell. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service (although he will need to VPN back to the Police HQ) or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. I'm still nowhere close to being able to offload this... but down the pipe I know of a city that is replacing their MOTOMESH Solo network with MOTOMESH Duo... so those nodes would probably be cheap... and it allows the cop cards to go up to 144MPH in the Mesh and still stay connected (its actually really cool technology developed for the US Military... but the most it can do is T1 speeds) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal- Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't
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On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 15:39 -0400, Robert West wrote: You were watching live streaming video from the cruiser? That's impressive, for sure. While their plan wasn't to build a system where live streaming from every car was a requirement, that is how we chose to demonstrate the successful build. Thanks again, Butch. You're welcome. For what it's worth, I am not suggesting that the other ideas (cellular or canopy mesh) are bad. I only wanted to dispel the myth that is HAS to be that way. Hey any way of putting an IP activated switch on the lights and siren just to mess with the guy from time to time? Well..I am sure one of those remote power switches could be a lot of fun. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
Your idea is a fine one. I'm not complaining about Matt's ad. It's just that I got a slap for doing the same. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course, no vendor sale items. That's my take on it at least. As Matt says, he would rather sell to a member of the group before going outside with it and I see and agree on his feelings on that. With not listing here then how else can he offer to the people he thinks would better appreciate what he no longer needs? In my opinion, we should have an outlet to the group only to post things. Does anyone else feel the same on this or am I living inside my own little world yet again? I took my medication, I checked, so maybe this isn’t really a bad idea.? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N 16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units. If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order. These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
And from there, all the way south down I-75 into Florida... On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: West Bend Wisconson St Louis MO Chicago IL Top Sail Beach NC All the way up and down I75 in Ohio Not one of these places has a solid ATT 3G service. Neither using the PC Express Card nor the integrated Sierra modem. I have had what I consider bad service all around, which is why I said what I did. Not saying it will be bad, but I would avoid it. You have had the opposite experience, so you said what you said. Just voicing my experience and my opinion... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Josh, It kind of depends where you live, just like it does for any 3G service. Where I personally live, ATT's 3G service is excellent. I switched from Verizon and have better coverage and better performance. I'm sure the reverse is true in other areas...but you really cannot legitimately make blanket statements like that when they need coverage in a specific relatively small area. Chuck On Oct 17, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I strongly advise avoiding ATT's 3G service. I haven't been impressed at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: We currently do this for a local PD. They have 13 of those ruggedized Dell laptops, mounted in all the cars. We looked at 2.4GHz and 900MHz. Even though the town is only 5sqmi, we decided to go with Verizon Aircards. Worked out well, because the laptops are tied directly into their CAD system, which is tied into the whole state. So now they could, theoretically, go anywhere in the state and be dispatched on a call, run plates/people through NCIC, etc. I believe that because of that, they actually got the state to pay for a lot of it. Sure, we don't make anything on the Verizon service, but we do on the backend by tying their CAD into the Internet. Just something to keep in mind, if you have any sort of 3G service in that area. Jayson On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I got a call Friday afternoon from the police chief of a small little spot in the road asking about the possibility of connecting his cruisers to the station network via a wireless link. (He is the Police Chief but I suspect he is also the entire police force) He said that the local Wal-Mart has agreed to donate to him a few of those little Acer 7 screen laptops, which are a big piece of crap from the number of repairs we've had to do on them... Anyhow, he wants to be able to be in the cruiser and connect to the network back at the station and use the websites from the Attorney General's office where he can run plates, drivers license info and also fill out his reports. Here's the setup.. This Burg is a bit less than 2 miles long and about one and a half miles wide. The town hall is equivalent to a 4 story building and they also have a water tower that looks to be 100 foot tall. The terrain is flat as can be and they have the normal scattering of trees. The Town Hall and water tower are the tallest structures by far aside from a large grain elevator right outside of town. Boy wants to connect to his network anywhere in town from his cop-mobile as well as when he is at home, also within the town. We've done plenty of private networks but it's all been in the 2.4 and 5ghz band. He was thinking he could just throw up a 2.4ghz link and be good but I told him to hold on, I didn't think he could broadcast the Attorney Generals network to every antenna in town, I had to do some research. So this, because of my utterly blatant laziness, is my research. J Has anyone been down this path? What can we do and not do? I have a meeting with the guy next Wednesday and want to have some idea of what we're up against on this one. (Hopefully he doesn't recognize me as the guy who took him to court over a ticket he wrote for a crooked license plate... I won that one by the way) Thanks for any help! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their
Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
What happened to the rule that Fridays was an ok for this? The problem stems from people doing it outside of the allotted timeframes. Everybody knows it is going to happen on Friday. I myself wouldn't sign up for a FS/WTB list because I would expect it to be a spam heaven. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Your idea is a fine one. I'm not complaining about Matt's ad. It's just that I got a slap for doing the same. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course, no vendor sale items. That's my take on it at least. As Matt says, he would rather sell to a member of the group before going outside with it and I see and agree on his feelings on that. With not listing here then how else can he offer to the people he thinks would better appreciate what he no longer needs? In my opinion, we should have an outlet to the group only to post things. Does anyone else feel the same on this or am I living inside my own little world yet again? I took my medication, I checked, so maybe this isn't really a bad idea.? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N 16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units. If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order. These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
Butch, Cellular isn't that expensive when you're talking a few cars... if you're talking 30 patrol cars... I agree it's expensive. Heck, if the city has a ton of cell phones already they might be able to get the service free. I've heard of cities getting aircard equipment to do network monitoring type work at night when the network was offloaded for pennies a month. I agree that Mesh is way beyond what most departments need. Many police departments have two officers in their cars... so the second officer needs to be able to work on the laptop on the way to a call etc. Probably not a requirement here since it's a small town... but for instance one city I am working with now wants to be able to watch streaming video from security cameras while driving up to 75MPH... that's hard to do without a Mesh IMO. Also, I doubt that Homeland Security is paying for anything here or they wouldn't be hitting up Walmart for free laptops :-D For your last part... you didn't explain what you did for your network. What equipment was used, how it was configured, etc. I would suspect you ended up working around the 802.11 protocol to handle the roaming hand-offs better. It might not be a true mesh (meaning you have actual nodes meshing), but something similar must be done (more AP's than point to multipoint service to account for worse link budgets from omni's and typically NLOS shots). Generally it's also best to have the AP's below the trees... also kinda lends itself to a mesh. With that said... I'm not advocating any manufactures product here (I just happen to be the most familiar with Motorola's)... but if I was to build out a Mesh network, and mobility was required, I'd choose something that was designed for it and proven for it. Heck I'm really advocating air cards here... I've got no stake in that but realistically is probably the cheapest and best option for this police department assuming that there is decent 3G service there. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 11:45 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: IMHO, the only way to do something like this where the office is mobile is with cellular service I have done this MANY times without cellular and without mesh. Cellular is too expensive and WAY too slow to be really very useful. Mesh is simply not needed for what MOST of them need. or to use a Mesh network designed for mobility (since 802.11G tends to fall apart past 30MPH or so). You are thinking that an officer of the law is gonna be using the network while driving at 30MPH+? If their need is to have it working that way, then I would agree that it may be necessary to increase coverage. Unless this city want's to make a major investment in Mesh... I'd tell him to stick with the cellular air cards (Verizon, ATT, whatever) and be done with it. In some cases, these networks have been paid for with Homeland Security $$. No cost to the city. Hacking together a solution is probably more effort than its worth, and there could be theoretical consequences if the network doesn't operate correctly. Of course. It's all about explaining benefits and pitfalls. Once the network needs are known (which they are not at this point), THEN a solution is devised. For what it's worth, the second time I did this type of network, we watched a LIVE streaming video from one cop car as it drove all over town without more than a 1 second hiccup (which happened 2 times). Additionally, he was talking to us via an 802.11g wireless voip phone and NEVER lost the call. This was using a mixture of 2.4GHz 802.11b, 802.11g and 900MHz (Mikrotik 802.11a I think), if you're interested. Not too bad for not having purchased, or even considered Moto. I think to dismiss a technology outright before understanding what good engineering can do is pretty short sighted. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] for sale, oops
Look at the site www.signweb.com then message boards, then the For Sale Maybe our webmaster could do the same... BTW it's a very good place to start looking for bucket trucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells But your concern is a very valid one. I agree that For Sale should be separate from the normal list, I've seen other lists that become pointless due to all the ads. However, with no alternative I can fault no one for posting and I actually appreciate the laid back way the posts have been, never in your face. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Your idea is a fine one. I'm not complaining about Matt's ad. It's just that I got a slap for doing the same. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course, no vendor sale items. That's my take on it at least. As Matt says, he would rather sell to a member of the group before going outside with it and I see and agree on his feelings on that. With not listing here then how else can he offer to the people he thinks would better appreciate what he no longer needs? In my opinion, we should have an outlet to the group only to post things. Does anyone else feel the same on this or am I living inside my own little world yet again? I took my medication, I checked, so maybe this isnt really a bad idea.? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N 16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units. If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order. These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] For sale items - was - DIY Special - Tranzeo shells
While not being sure how unbridled for sale posts might get, I second the belief the casual way it has been conducted has been in good taste. Perhaps a Friday only stipulation on a trial basis would suit most members. If it gets excessive, it can be banned -- again. My observation is the ones I've seen posted seemed to be used and overstock items offered to other list members. Most would attract at least a portion of the list members. I've seen no bald faced pitches. Mike At 09:29 PM 10/17/2009, you wrote: But your concern is a very valid one. I agree that For Sale should be separate from the normal list, I've seen other lists that become pointless due to all the ads. However, with no alternative I can fault no one for posting and I actually appreciate the laid back way the posts have been, never in your face. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Your idea is a fine one. I'm not complaining about Matt's ad. It's just that I got a slap for doing the same. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I understand the need for not having postings of for sale items, you can easily get 90% of all postings being that but we should have possibly a separate list of wanted and for sale items or maybe even just a page to post them on that gets wiped after 30 days? Members of the list only, of course, no vendor sale items. That's my take on it at least. As Matt says, he would rather sell to a member of the group before going outside with it and I see and agree on his feelings on that. With not listing here then how else can he offer to the people he thinks would better appreciate what he no longer needs? In my opinion, we should have an outlet to the group only to post things. Does anyone else feel the same on this or am I living inside my own little world yet again? I took my medication, I checked, so maybe this isn't really a bad idea.? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Special - Tranzeo shells Jack, didnt you say this is not the place for this? On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: Hi all, I am upgrading my network to OFDM 10mhz channels and phasing out my 802.11b systems. I have a bunch of older model Tranzeo radios that I am looking to liquidate and wanted to let people on the WISPA lists know about them before I put them on ebay or our upcoming Used Tranzeo site. This is what I have on hand right now CPE200-19 28 CPE200-15 82 CPE200-N16 CPE80-15 144 CPE80-N 42 I'm asking $35 each for the CPE200-15 and CPE200-N, $40 each for the CPE200-19 and $25 each for the CPE80 units.If you buy 10 units, I'll throw an extra radio (with no hardware or POE) in on the order.These will be reset to defaults and will come with mounting hardware and the weatherproof covers for the ethernet and either the older style Tranzeo POE units or Nanostation POEs. These are all working pulls, but there might be a few wonky units in there, hence the extra radio on orders of 10. If you don't want to use the Tranzeo internals, it is a pretty simple process to split the cases and put in Mikrotik radio boards. I am also looking to buy Tranzeo CPQ, 5A, SL2 and SL5 radios. Payment via Paypal or credit card is acceptable. Contact me offlist if you have any interest. Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Ideas on Police Department Wireless Link from Station to Cruiser
On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 20:04 -0600, 3-dB Networks wrote: but for instance one city I am working with now wants to be able to watch streaming video from security cameras while driving up to 75MPH... that's hard to do without a Mesh IMO. Maybe hard..but not impossible. Is my solution better? Hard to say. I'd be hard pressed to say outright that the mesh solution is better, though. FWIW, my solution would work fine if the infrastructure WERE a mesh, but it does not require it. I'd suggest reading through the blog post I made that details some of the obstacles that this type of network has to overcome. I have built this solution with MT CPE (in the cars), but it can be done with nearly ANY CPE that can be made smart with a script. I have been playing with ImageStream devices as the router connected via ethernet to multiple radios and am nearly able to do the same thing with ImageStream (which means virtually ANY Linux device can do it). The brains in my solution resides in the CPE, and not the network. Also, I doubt that Homeland Security is paying for anything here or they wouldn't be hitting up Walmart for free laptops :-D Probably correct. The reason they are not likely to get homeland security dollars is more because they don't know and didn't ask. Last year, there were more $$ budgeted than were given out. For your last part... you didn't explain what you did for your network. What equipment was used, how it was configured, etc. I would suspect you ended up working around the 802.11 protocol to handle the roaming hand-offs better. It's explained in the blog post. It might not be a true mesh (meaning you have actual nodes meshing), but something similar must be done (more AP's than point to multipoint service to account for worse link budgets from omni's and typically NLOS shots). Generally it's also best to have the AP's below the trees... also kinda lends itself to a mesh. You're on the right path, but not quite there. The mesh in my case was a fully routed network. My method offers some significant advantages over a simple meshed network, however. As I said, the brains are in the CPE. What that means in the real world, is that I can allow the CPE to connect to ANY network that I know about and can configure interfaces for. I built one network that utilized 3 ISPs with access methods that varied from DHCP, PPPoE and Static IPs (different IP, depending on the tower we connected to). That is something that a mesh cannot compete with, since the mesh would be owned by a single entity (at least in most cases). With that said... I'm not advocating any manufactures product here (I just happen to be the most familiar with Motorola's)... but if I was to build out a Mesh network, and mobility was required, I'd choose something that was designed for it and proven for it. An if it sounded like I was knocking the Moto option, it was not intended that way. The fact is, that I know (from experience) that we are not nearly as limited as your post seemed to suggest. With smart CPE devices, you'd be surprised what can be done. In some cases, we can do way more with my methods than any other solution is capable of. Heck I'm really advocating air cards here... I've got no stake in that but realistically is probably the cheapest and best option for this police department assuming that there is decent 3G service there. I would agree, sort of. It really depends on what they need. If it is simple access (even with a vpn) to a network that can handle the high latency and low speed of the cellular network, then an air card is almost certainly the best option. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
