Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Exactly. Depends on the circumstances and your market. Since we have a retail store front, that's just bait to bring in customers. We pay almost zero for advertising other than the yellow pages so I do what I can to elevate the word of mouth traffic. Offering a cheapo dial-up service at a rate that makes people do a double take, that gets their attention and they have something to talk about. It's worked pretty well, but the draw is just to the retail store where we do lots and lots of repairs. That $5.99 customer may spend $300 or more per year on labor services just from our dial up relationship. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want walk-in traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the bait to bring them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the $29.00 plan but ends up asking Do you have anything faster? (Big Smile) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Thanks. And let's face it, there are people out there who only want dial up for whatever reason. We still manage to pull money out of their pockets regardless. We also have a free wireless hotspot in the parking lot of the retail store. Usually being used by the local porn fans.. We have never advertised the dial up service or the hot spot. All word of mouth. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want walk-in traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the bait to bring them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the $29.00 plan but ends up asking Do you have anything faster? (Big Smile) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
It all depends on your market and your expenses. Here, most customers will opt for a high speed at a high price but there are some that wont even consider getting the service at any higher price other than 29 bucks. I really hate leaving money on the table so I try to accommodate that. For me a fast dime beats a slow buck any day. If I'm sitting and not making money, I go crazy so if I have 3 people wanting 29 dollar service and one guy wanting 49 dollar service I'll take 'em all. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I was expecting you to chime in Tom :) Thats exactly what I'm talking about and agree 100%. I cant figure out how $24.95 or even $29.95 works. But then, what number does? I realize when talking dollars that everyone's answer will vary because of a number of factors. But on a percentage basis, does 5% of gross revenue for a bottom line net profit work? We know it cant be 0%. I've seen companys try 0% or even less net profit to grab market share but sooner or later they've go to pay the piper. Ignoring that scenario, isnt profitability what really dictates your price? Its a balancing act for sure. If your income(price) is too low and expense(costs) are too high then you cant acheive the 5%-10% and please your wallet. On the contrary, you cant take too much profit or you wont be able to put it back into the business (upgrades, etc) and please the customers. So, I go back to what Jayson said: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. I want to know how he is doing it and if it is sustainable. If so, then I want to do it too. -RickG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is on their own. I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We all know what I'm talking about all the things consumers complain about that are a repurcussion of $24.95 service. Phones answered by reception level skill sets. Billing disputes that are solved by disconnecting service on teh 2nd of the month, if the consumer didn't pay online regardless of whether there was a valid dispute. The customer down for a week, and nobody at teh provider really knew, and if they did and were called on it, they point to the clause in the Terms and conditions that says 30days. The type of installs, where the Dish gets installed right over the front door, because the installer was to lazy to get his ladder of the truck, and the 1hr allowed for install didn;t allow a more resourceful method to obtain a cosmetic appealing way to get LOS. The self-install that generates 50% packet loss, and degrades the network performance for all, but so what, its a Best Effort, right? Personally, I'll never do business that way. The day I have to be a $24.95 provider, I'll do something else. Some people may think otherwise, and are better at that game than I. Please note... I'm referring to provisioned Fixed Service meant to compete against DSL/cable quality. I'm not talking about HotSpot type Wifi, that can be done profitably at $15/month, because there are different expectations. I just keep thinking of the recent Giant Foods experiment. One of our local stores became the test bed for self check out registers. Instead of having 10 lanes with a person and 2 self check lines, this store actually converted like 10 lanes to self-checkout and 2 with a person. Its a night mare. Soemtimes for fun, I just watch the people going through the self-check and how frustrated they get. Self bagging was OK, but struggling to find the label, and getting that darn beeper to recognize the bar codes, and trying to watch a 3 year old or three at the same time as jumping back and forth between the middle of the line where the scanner is and the back of the lane where the grocery cart unscanned groceries sit and the front of the line where the finished scanned groceries are put, What a night mare. All it did was create these huge lines at the two lanes that actually had a person there. 50% of the stores customers ether started shopping at a different Giant that still employed people, or started going to Safeway accross the street. Its the best example that I've ever seen that has proven people want ease, peice of mind, and service. Or... maybe even the friendly relationship to speak to a person, after being cooped up in the house all day. People dont want to troubleshoot their Internet service anymore than they want to go to the self-checkout lane with a full cart of groceries. And when they want some
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
We have plenty of competition but the hook in what we do with the dial up is, they have to come into the store. We arent faceless and almost every time when they come in we tell them we have wireless in their area if they are ever interested. So, with that we get there first! Especially when they come in to sign up, we give them the talk if their address is in our service area. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL Hmmm,good point,I guess it works both ways,I think it is that way everywhere.Not sure what market Bob is working,I guess it depends if he has competition.Either way,well put Rick..One must remember to look at both sides! --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:29 PM Around here they would call and say cancel my account, you're internet is slow and I switched to DSL or cable. And then I'd say but you can have faster if you buy our... click - lost connection. No second chances around here. Give them speed and reliability or they switch in a heartbeat. I just picked up a bunch of subs because Windstream DSL is slow and unreliaible. They need to replace the 100+ year old lines. Windstream even offered free months etc. Everyone that can get our service switched without hesitation even with a $200 install fee. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Jason Bailey j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want walk-in traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com wrote: Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL We've been selling a loss leader dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Beers in the fridge. First door on the right. On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 image001.gif WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sorry for the bad start to your weekend but it can only get better from there =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Took about half a tank of gas and climbing 5 grain legs, one twice Or was it three times? What finally got me thinking it was that one radio is I was using the Ubiquiti Discovery tool and kept hitting it over and over in certain sections to see what was talking. Isolated AP's, looked at Discovery. Disabled Watchdog though to keep from reboots after isolating Noticed one AP was acting a bit more weird than the others once I put it back online so I zeroed in on that one AP. Tried to hit every IP on that leg and one in particular would sometimes respond, sometimes not. Went and looked at it, all the lights were lit up and would never go out or blink. That was the bad one. The bonus was, since I had to visit so much of the network, I tweaked and re-aimed antennas while there. Everything is running better than before so it's all good. Except for my crankiness today. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:13 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Better then being unemployed, I guess? :) On 3/27/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
I'm thinking of writing more specific SLA for this very reason. basic service is best effort and has a 1 day response window. this is the way to discourage businesses from being cheap. business customers get same day response with minimum speed and uptime standards Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Better then being unemployed, I guess? :) On 3/27/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I'm thinking of writing more specific SLA for this very reason. basic service is best effort and has a 1 day response window. this is the way to discourage businesses from being cheap. business customers get same day response with minimum speed and uptime standards Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Better then being unemployed, I guess? :) On 3/27/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Define intentional? If they're practicing within EIRP is there anything you can go after? On 3/27/10, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I'm thinking of writing more specific SLA for this very reason. basic service is best effort and has a 1 day response window. this is the way to discourage businesses from being cheap. business customers get same day response with minimum speed and uptime standards Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Better then being unemployed, I guess? :) On 3/27/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
It takes a long history of showing that you have been trying to co-ordinate with the other guy and that you have moved frequencies to avoid interfernce only to have them move onto the same channel. If you can prove they are intentionally trying to interfere and have not attempted to co-ordinate you have a case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Define intentional? If they're practicing within EIRP is there anything you can go after? On 3/27/10, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! I'm thinking of writing more specific SLA for this very reason. basic service is best effort and has a 1 day response window. this is the way to discourage businesses from being cheap. business customers get same day response with minimum speed and uptime standards Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Better then being unemployed, I guess? :) On 3/27/10, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel = 40dB. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous interference : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with your customers. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel = 40dB. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
I guess what's important to identify was whether the damage was caused by Ethernet segment or RF segement. If radio went crazy and started generating Ethernet wire traffic or bridge loops or what ever, thats not really a reason to bash the Bullet. Any product could lockup to create a similar situation.I'm just wondering if there is anything specifiic to UBNT's design or software that led to this more problem than another products. I'm not sure that can be concluded. It is a good testimony of why it can be helpful to isolate AP segments of the network, via VLAN or Routing, such as to isolate bridge domains. Can you clarify that it was definately causing the grief via the Ethernet wireside? Apposed to RF, killing RF on all your other APs? In otherwords, was teh problem stopped because the Ubiquiti's power was unplugged? Or because the data pins were disconnected? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
This is really the only way to handle this. Send them a cease and desist letter because they are interrupting your service and serve them certified mail. Then go after them with a lawyer. Unless the entity that is receiving interference is the FCC or works for them, I would say you have no chance whatsoever to get any action from the Commission. Part 15 is not allowed to interfere and must accept any interference that is does receive. A simple clarification from the FCC. Don't call us.We'll call you -B- Tom Sharples writes: There is another approach to consider - sue them for tortuous interference : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference which has nothing to do with RF interference, but rather refers to intentionally disturbing or destroying your business relationship with your customers. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Only if over the EIRP of 36dB. One does not even need amps to be over the limit. 23dB -- 17dB panel = 40dB. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Routed or bridged network? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 9:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
At least he's honest. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 1:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Josh, I love it when they are running a full fledged business but made sure they only paid for the bottom speed and saying they were residential so they could avoid the business rate. Then they call every day if the tower misses more than five pings in an hour and always complain about the speed saying, you're going to put me out of business. When you offer to upgrade their service to business rate and speed it's a quick, I'm not paying some artificial price to punish me for doing a few business things at home, right. What ever happened to 'the cost of running a business?'. Gamers are even more fun; they live four hops and 20 miles out of town and call if their ping times go below 20ms, hey I'm in a battle with some guys in Seattle and I need to be as fast as them. My answer, 'move to Seattle they have FIOS there, this is rural wireless by!' My favorite call of all time? A tower went down and a guy called yelling, I can't get my porn! :-) Forbes ps: Oh I just found the downside of the cheap price of Ubiquiti, my competitor can now afford more AP's and promptly rented the tower right next to mine and pointed a high gain 90 degree antenna right at my tower. Love the ethics in this business, if you can't get em with good service, destroy their signal with interference. This is the same competitor who used to run 24 db 2.4GHZ grids every 10 degrees all with amps just to cause havoc, how do we get any sleep or keep from crossing the line and stoop to his low level? On 3/27/2010 9:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] Service in South West Oregon
Anybody service the Medford, Grants Pass, Rogue River Vally area? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wondering if STP would help in this setting
I have a question about STP. Would it offer any benefit in this setting: Wired connections - Wireless connections -- Sat modem -MT Router-Buffalo WHR-HP-54G running dd-wrtPS2 as WDS APPS2 as WDS AP Acting as AP and Switch (no clients on this AP) | | |---NS5M as WDS AP--NS5M as WDS Client--Bullet2M as AP For STP to work effectively would it have to be on the MT edge router too? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Remember when Marlon said to use latex gloves under your thinsulate ones? Well being cheap, I bought nitryl plastic ones instead. Once I suffered from near frostbite I learned my lesson. The box of gloves I bought at harbor freight are now under the kitchen sink for toxic duty. Don't use the nitryl ones, your hands will get colder. I taped some of those handwarmer things, you kinow, the ones with iron powder in them, to my wrists the same day. The inside of my wrists suffered second degree burns at the same time my fingertips froze. It was a fun install. Thinsulate is your friend; handwarmers should not be used by morons and wisp operators. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting other legitimate users of the band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
Sorry I side with Travis. I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly and DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that they are required by law to do. There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they are causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. Thats the reality of the matter. -B- Jerry Richardson writes: Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting other legitimate users of the band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Eh?? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest No one anywhere really cares about the boxes or what's in them. Not the sender, shipper, or receiver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 times a day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was there my supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not getting unloaded fast enough. I can see why it was broken. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400 I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS FedEx drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got 150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off. Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you. That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it. -RickG On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information.
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
You said you were coming to my house so I had to point out the important thing - the fridge. On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Eh?? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest No one anywhere really cares about the boxes or what's in them. Not the sender, shipper, or receiver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 times a day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was there my supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not getting unloaded fast enough. I can see why it was broken. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400 I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS FedEx drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got 150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off. Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you. That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it. -RickG On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I said UNINVITE!You necer listen. :) - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest Beers in the fridge. First door on the right. On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Actually, when doing my diag I first disabled the LAN and all was well so it was the LAN side causing the issue Makes sense since the lan connector is at the bottom where the water would collect, At least to me it seems to be logical Bob- - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh I guess what's important to identify was whether the damage was caused by Ethernet segment or RF segement. If radio went crazy and started generating Ethernet wire traffic or bridge loops or what ever, thats not really a reason to bash the Bullet. Any product could lockup to create a similar situation.I'm just wondering if there is anything specifiic to UBNT's design or software that led to this more problem than another products. I'm not sure that can be concluded. It is a good testimony of why it can be helpful to isolate AP segments of the network, via VLAN or Routing, such as to isolate bridge domains. Can you clarify that it was definately causing the grief via the Ethernet wireside? Apposed to RF, killing RF on all your other APs? In otherwords, was teh problem stopped because the Ubiquiti's power was unplugged? Or because the data pins were disconnected? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
I love the FCC. They all my friends on InYourFaceBook.Com. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
You know it to be true, neighbor. (For those of you who don't know, Gene is next door) Gene, you suck. But you already know this, I'm sure. HA! I just don't understand the need to call me whe I'm trying not to fall to my death,. Bob- Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape somehow into the Bullet. Nice. So here it is, this little nothing off in the corner doing it's dirty work all over the network. It hates me. Had to share. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 Logo5 -- Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?!
ok, I can see how more recently with budget cuts that would be the case. I guess the alterative of pursuing it as a civil matter is your only course but good luck getting a sympathetic judge who doesn't understand the technology. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:16 PM, Lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Sorry I side with Travis. I have quite a few experiences with Enforcement Bureau out of NY, Philly and DC and I know with the tremendous reduction of their budget and workforce they are having enough issues just trying to do FM/AM/TV inspections that they are required by law to do. There is no manpower for chasing down unlicensed operations unless they are causing interference to a licensed operation like weather radar or some other priority service. Forget pursuing an interference complaint between two Part 15 issues especially if any travel is involved. Thats the reality of the matter. -B- Jerry Richardson writes: Gotta keep bringing it up. eventually they will respond. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. Ideally a host of documentation including letters to the offending ISP, previous reports to the FCC, etc will build the case. Gotta prove that they are operating over 36dB and that they are affecting other legitimate users of the band. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 2:38 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh this business, tell me again why we love it?! Negative. I know of an ISP using 5 watt amps on 2.4ghz omni antennas. They have been reported several times to the FCC, and nothing happens. Travis Microserv Leon D. Zetekoff wrote: On 03/27/2010 03:58 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Regarding the competetor, if you can prove that your competetor is intentionally interfering with you, the FCC will actually get involved but it will take a long and painful paper-trail to build a strong enough case. if they are using amps, then the FCC would get involved. leon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Ah, but I use the handwarmers. Love them! But never tape them to anything. they saved many of my fingers this winter. I keep them in my pocket for just in case Bop- Mother in law calls me Bop. I have no idea why. . - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Remember when Marlon said to use latex gloves under your thinsulate ones? Well being cheap, I bought nitryl plastic ones instead. Once I suffered from near frostbite I learned my lesson. The box of gloves I bought at harbor freight are now under the kitchen sink for toxic duty. Don't use the nitryl ones, your hands will get colder. I taped some of those handwarmer things, you kinow, the ones with iron powder in them, to my wrists the same day. The inside of my wrists suffered second degree burns at the same time my fingertips froze. It was a fun install. Thinsulate is your friend; handwarmers should not be used by morons and wisp operators. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Don't we all know that feeling... I remember climbing 300' when it was below freezing, 30mph winds and the snow was more wet then anything. Before I climbed one of the customers said You're killing my business. Mind you he has had no issues outside of this instance, 6 months since we bought the network. Half way up I just kept reciting that laughing at how ridiculous the situation was - I'm way above the ground freezing my ass off to fix just a few customers and they were that grateful. Gotta love it :) On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Both. Combination of Mikrotik and UBNT. UBNT bridged and the MT's routed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Is your network routed or bridged or a combination? Greg On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Robert West wrote: The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Love the fridge. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest You said you were coming to my house so I had to point out the important thing - the fridge. On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Eh?? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest No one anywhere really cares about the boxes or what's in them. Not the sender, shipper, or receiver. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I worked for UPS once. I spent a week in training and heard at least 5 times a day to NOT jerk down walls of packages. The first night I was there my supervisor tore down 4 walls of packages because they were not getting unloaded fast enough. I can see why it was broken. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:56:04 -0400 I've had this problem with ethernet cable too. I think UPS FedEx drop kick the boxes. Woodned spools do much better. At any rate, I got 150' off so far. Its still in the box for fear it will come apart in knots. It's just painstaking but I'll eventually get the rest off. Hopefully it was broken when sent out to me and not when sent to you. That way there is still hope to get one with a good spool. If I get another, I'll pay extra to have you double box it. -RickG On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
Really. You suck - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh You know it to be true, neighbor. (For those of you who don't know, Gene is next door) Gene, you suck. But you already know this, I'm sure. HA! I just don't understand the need to call me whe I'm trying not to fall to my death,. Bob- Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.) Antenna, of course, full of water. Must have filled up then had enough pressure to seep through the tape
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
HA HA ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Robert West wrote: Really. You suck - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh You know it to be true, neighbor. (For those of you who don't know, Gene is next door) Gene, you suck. But you already know this, I'm sure. HA! I just don't understand the need to call me whe I'm trying not to fall to my death,. Bob- Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped it alright but since it was a stick antenna on it, taped the N connector on the bullet and then all the way up to the clamp on the antenna! Hmm.. That seems to cover the DRAIN HOLES on the bottom of the antenna. (We'll have a talk. Another one.)
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Great! Whos making lunch plans? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Any preference on places to eat? Not sure what exactly is good and near Hara. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Great! Whos making lunch plans? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I eat anything as long as its cooked :) I'm not very familiar with Dayton but Google offered this huge list: http://www.placefacts.net/restaurants.php?id=13931 This place takes online reservations but may be too fancy: http://www.flemingssteakhouse.com/ I'm hoping someone knows a place that has a big table! -RickG On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Any preference on places to eat? Not sure what exactly is good and near Hara. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Great! Whos making lunch plans? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Looks like Josh is making the plans. Unless it's at some food court. Or a Rallys. You're such a cheap SOB sometimes, Josh.. Honestly - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest Any preference on places to eat? Not sure what exactly is good and near Hara. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Great! Whos making lunch plans? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I vote for the Josh's Wispa Cafe: - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest I eat anything as long as its cooked :) I'm not very familiar with Dayton but Google offered this huge list: http://www.placefacts.net/restaurants.php?id=13931 This place takes online reservations but may be too fancy: http://www.flemingssteakhouse.com/ I'm hoping someone knows a place that has a big table! -RickG On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Any preference on places to eat? Not sure what exactly is good and near Hara. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 12:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Great! Whos making lunch plans? On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'll be there. We're all going over to Josh's house afterwards, uninvited of course. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
What? Just cause I owe you cash for two racks? You still suck. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Robert West wrote: Really. You suck - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh You know it to be true, neighbor. (For those of you who don't know, Gene is next door) Gene, you suck. But you already know this, I'm sure. HA! I just don't understand the need to call me whe I'm trying not to fall to my death,. Bob- Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was everyplace trying to isolate sections, was driving me nuts. Finally, found one Bullet 5M that had a 5GHz stick antenna on it (Was for tech access on AP down on the ground, was a weird fix) and the thing had just enough water in it to cause it blast the network. Water? Well, I'm a freak for taping a waterproofing everything but on this, installer boy (That's his official name) taped
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network....... Sigh....
And tonight, I'm up on the top part of a ladder (Do Not Use As A Step) and the phone rings.. What ya doin'? I'm leaving the phone in the van from now on. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh What? Just cause I owe you cash for two racks? You still suck. - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:00 PM, Robert West wrote: Really. You suck - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh You know it to be true, neighbor. (For those of you who don't know, Gene is next door) Gene, you suck. But you already know this, I'm sure. HA! I just don't understand the need to call me whe I'm trying not to fall to my death,. Bob- Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh HA HA Doesn't your wife answer the phone @ the office... Time to take her next door for some chinese food and have a chat ;-) On Mar 27, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Robert West wrote: AH! And to top it ALL off, here I am, up on the top of a grain leg, out of breath, cranky and freezing and the cell phone rings. It's the office calling me. So and so just called and her internet isn't working.. Uh, and you somehow don't remember that I'm out here trying to fix it? There have been many times I felt like tossing the cell off the top of a tower and that was one of them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh The main thing that was throwing me is, even when I took the bad AP off line, the rest of the network took a long time to recover. 5 minutes or so and I wasn't waiting that long most of the time to see results, I was in a bit of a hurry so when it didn't settle, I moved onto the next. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Bridge loop, probably. 100M spitting out on to a backbone that can't handle that much bandwidth. I had a Redline backhaul create a loop and it flooded the traffic through the rest of the network, taking out everything up until the 100M fiber tower at which point I had ~60M to use. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I'd be curious how you figured out it was THAT unit causing the grief. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 10:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh Yep. And it went everywhere. Must have got in through the inside of the N connector, that tape was wound pretty tight and I didn't see any water inside the tape. Took the Bullet apart, wasn't much water but the board was moist like condensation. Dried it all out, works fine now. Smeared some RTV sealant on it to make me feel good but man, that was not much fun to ferret out. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet Takes Down Entire Network... Sigh So much time spent learning how to deploy cheap Ubnt stuff. Not as bad as MikrotikN but geez. So the antenna full of water caused the bullet to go nuts and caused a packet storm, is that right? On 3/27/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: HA! Had lots and lots of rain the other night. At around 2am I get an alarm, everything is losing connection. Everything. EVERYTHING! Started on it at 7am, was
