Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

[Robert West]

Kurt, 

I always put laminated foil between the cards.  You able to try putting a
shield of aluminum foil between to see if that does anything useful?

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 4:44 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

If you physically move them to anywhere but on top of each other, like the
sides or above or below then the bleed over goes away. So if you mounted
them side by side in a RB600 or RB800 then your ok. Heres some pics of that.


Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

Wow,

So my question would be, what sort of separation is required to keep the
noise down?

ryan


On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of 
> the same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I 
> finally answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the 
> past 3 years
and
> no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a
spectrum
> analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum 
> analyzer directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was 
> stacked on top of a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the 
> adjacent channels started at
> -76 
>
>
>
> Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable 
> information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths 
> and such check out this thread.
>
> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7
> 
> &t=30657&p=204642#p204642
>
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> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
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> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

[Robert West]

So what kind of throughput are you getting from that setup?

LOL!

Bob-


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:28 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the
same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally
answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years and
no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a spectrum
analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer
directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top of
a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started at
-76  

 

Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable
information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and
such check out this thread. 

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7

&t=30657&p=204642#p204642

 

 

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P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
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Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

[Ryan Spott]

Can I add lead curtains between them as well? Is there soe other dampening
material I can use?

ryan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> If you physically move them to anywhere but on top of each other, like the
> sides or above or below then the bleed over goes away. So if you mounted
> them side by side in a RB600 or RB800 then your ok. Heres some pics of
> that.
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Spott
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
>
> Wow,
>
> So my question would be, what sort of separation is required to keep the
> noise down?
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> > If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the
> > same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally
> > answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years
> and
> > no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a
> spectrum
> > analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer
> > directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top
> > of
> > a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started
> > at
> > -76 
> >
> >
> >
> > Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable
> > information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and
> > such check out this thread.
> >
> > http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7
> > 
> > &t=30657&p=204642#p204642
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kurt Fankhauser
> > WAVELINC
> > P.O. Box 126
> > Bucyrus, OH 44820
> > 419-562-6405
> > www.wavelinc.com
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Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

[lakeland]

LOL!
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-Original Message-
From: Charles Wu 
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:39:26 
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA 
GeneralList
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

Hi Scott,

To make sure you're getting the best service, I would start by first making 
sure that whomever you're thinking of going with is registered with the FCC and 
the NSMA -- otherwise, you're just going through a middle-man

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1&id=microwave

I'd then base my decision on companies on that list that are active members, 
supporters and/or dues-paying contributors of WISPA and the WISP industry

I'm sure if you make it to that stage, the person you decide to ultimately 
negotiate with will give you a competitive and reasonable price =)

-Charles



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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:21 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

Any recommendations?  I know several do it, looking for recommendations 
based on past experience / price.

Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

[Charles Wu]

Hi Scott,

To make sure you're getting the best service, I would start by first making 
sure that whomever you're thinking of going with is registered with the FCC and 
the NSMA -- otherwise, you're just going through a middle-man

http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/index.htm?job=licensing_1&id=microwave

I'd then base my decision on companies on that list that are active members, 
supporters and/or dues-paying contributors of WISPA and the WISP industry

I'm sure if you make it to that stage, the person you decide to ultimately 
negotiate with will give you a competitive and reasonable price =)

-Charles



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Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:21 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

Any recommendations?  I know several do it, looking for recommendations 
based on past experience / price.

Thanks.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

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Good idea!

On 4/23/10, Glenn Kelley  wrote:
> I vote we take a pita customer and hang them up there to scare the birds
> away ...
>
> ha ha
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> sorry been one of those days
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> On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the
>> way.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote:
>>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
>>> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>>>
>>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
>>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
>>> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>>>
>>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
>>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
>>> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
>>> stop.
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Glenn Kelley]

I vote we take a pita customer and hang them up there to scare the birds away 
... 

ha ha 

sorry been one of those days 

On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

> Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the 
> way.
> 
> Cameron
> 
> On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote:
>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.  Tired 
>> of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>> 
>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those 
>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a grain 
>> leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>> 
>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.  
>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.  That I 
>> can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to stop.
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?

[Ryan Spott]

Wow,

So my question would be, what sort of separation is required to keep the
noise down?

ryan


On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> If anyone is like me and ever wondered how bad that stacking cards of the
> same band in RB333 or RB433 interfere with each other, well, I finally
> answered my own question. I've been wondering this for the past 3 years and
> no one could really give an answer, or show proof. Well I bought a spectrum
> analyzer and decided to do some testing. I plugged the spectrum analyzer
> directly into the antenna port on a disabled card that was stacked on top
> of
> a card that was transmitting. Bleed-over on the adjacent channels started
> at
> -76 
>
>
>
> Won't be doing that anymore! Just thought I would share this valuable
> information with the list. For more tests at different channel widths and
> such check out this thread.
>
> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7
> 
> &t=30657&p=204642#p204642
>
>
>
>
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
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[WISPA] Who to use to license a 11ghz backhaul link?

[Scott Carullo]

Any recommendations?  I know several do it, looking for recommendations 
based on past experience / price.

Thanks.

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
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Re: [WISPA] Today I feed a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Robert West]

That's about as straight as you can get.  Some people just don't pay
attention, I know that all too well.



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Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 12:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old
Woman

90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your
customer base.  The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil
grin).

I simplify things in a couple of ways.  1.  I tell my installers that
if they let the customer drive the install they are fired.
2.  I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of
understanding (see below).

WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING:

I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to
the following about my wireless installation:

1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a
10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF.  Any mast over 10 feet in
height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have
been shown to me.

2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the
mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall.  The
equipment will be installed within the room that the outside
penetration is made.

3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract
signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee.  I will also
forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that
overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will
describe to me.  If the crew has to make a second trip to install your
service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00
service call fee.

4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations,
we will refund the installation fee you have paid.

5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract
for the terms stated in the contract.

6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my
location.  I further understand that I am responsible for returning
that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies.  I also
understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance
to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location.

7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with
my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be
billed on an hourly basis.

8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed
by myself.  I further understand that this Statement of Understanding
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Robert West]

Yikes!  I can "almost" relate, dude.  That's nasty.  

Bob-


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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

Here's a shot of the nastiest tower ever...that tower has NO paint, by the
way.

Cameron

On 4/22/2010 10:36 PM, Robert West wrote:
> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.  Tired
of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>
> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a grain
leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>
> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.  That I
can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to stop.
>
> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Robert West]

We do too, over here, but not when you're around.  We try to be nice.



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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

my wife calls me fat bastard if that helps any ;-)


On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Glenn,
> 
> Why do I always think your name is Gene?   I need to adjust my
> medication.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
> 
> Guess it depends on where you are... 
> 
> When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds
> use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... 
> then they would perch on them and have a feast 
> 
> 
> Never saw them act as a deterrent... 
> 
> Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda
> rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
> 
>> Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
>> the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
>> sitting right next to your APs.
>> 
>> Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
>> equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
>> won't be coming off in the wind.
>> 
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>> 
>> 
>> chris cooper wrote:
>>> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
>>> 
>>> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> Intelliwave
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
>>> 
>>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
>>> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
>>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
>>> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>>> 
>>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
>>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
>>> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
>>> stop.
>>> 
>>> Bob-
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Justin Wilson]

People rarely read contracts much less understand them.  I have found
many people view anything related to a wireless install as something they
don¹t understand.  How many times have installers been asked if the hole
they drill is a ³special type of hole² or something goofy like that.  I bet
many people think the papers they sign are somehow beyond their realm of
comprehension so they just sign it.

Customer education is the toughest obstacle I think.  I know everyone
has had customers who call in weekly and are told the same thing they were
told last week (ie. Reboot your router or computer).  I have seen successful
WISPs send installers out in two person teams.  One person takes care of the
outside stuff (mounting, running cable) and the inside person checks over
the computer and spends time educating the customer some.  This works great
IMHO, but is not always practical due to time and money.

When I did installs I would make the customer walk around the
house/building and document exactly what we were going to do.  We then wrote
it up and the customer signed off on it.

Justin
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From: Marco Coelho 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:34:03 -0500
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old
Woman

90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your
customer base.  The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil
grin).

I simplify things in a couple of ways.  1.  I tell my installers that
if they let the customer drive the install they are fired.
2.  I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of
understanding (see below).

WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING:

I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to
the following about my wireless installation:

1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a
10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF.  Any mast over 10 feet in
height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have
been shown to me.

2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the
mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall.  The
equipment will be installed within the room that the outside
penetration is made.

3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract
signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee.  I will also
forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that
overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will
describe to me.  If the crew has to make a second trip to install your
service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00
service call fee.

4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations,
we will refund the installation fee you have paid.

5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract
for the terms stated in the contract.

6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my
location.  I further understand that I am responsible for returning
that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies.  I also
understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance
to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location.

7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with
my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be
billed on an hourly basis.

8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed
by myself.  I further understand that this Statement of Understanding
does not change the requirements of the Wireless Contract.



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Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Marco Coelho]

90% of your problems and aggravations are less than 3% of your
customer base.  The worst ones I send to my competition (small evil
grin).

I simplify things in a couple of ways.  1.  I tell my installers that
if they let the customer drive the install they are fired.
2.  I make each customer sign a contract and a statement of
understanding (see below).

WIRELESS BROADBAND STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING:

I the Subscriber do hereby acknowledge that I understand and agree to
the following about my wireless installation:

1. Wireless installation WILL require the installation of between a
10-foot and 50-foot mast ON TOP of my ROOF.  Any mast over 10 feet in
height will require guy wires for support. Typical installations have
been shown to me.

2. I understand that the cable from the antenna will come down the
mast and be routed into a hole drilled into an outside wall.  The
equipment will be installed within the room that the outside
penetration is made.

3. If I, for any reason, refuse the installation after contract
signing I will be forfeiting the installation fee.  I will also
forfeit the installation fee if I refuse to cut tree branches that
overhang my roof preventing the installation as the installers will
describe to me.  If the crew has to make a second trip to install your
service for any reason not controlled by us, there will be an $85.00
service call fee.

4. If we are unable to install you due to our technical limitations,
we will refund the installation fee you have paid.

5. I understand that I have entered into a legal and binding contract
for the terms stated in the contract.

6. I understand that I will not own the equipment installed at my
location.  I further understand that I am responsible for returning
that equipment in serviceable order to Argon Technologies.  I also
understand that I am responsible for maintaining homeowners insurance
to provide coverage for the equipment while installed at my location.

7. I understand that service calls to repair or correct problems with
my computer and or network are not covered by the service and will be
billed on an hourly basis.

8. I have read, understood, and agree to the Wireless Contract signed
by myself.  I further understand that this Statement of Understanding
does not change the requirements of the Wireless Contract.



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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Glenn Kelley]

my wife calls me fat bastard if that helps any ;-)


On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Glenn,
> 
> Why do I always think your name is Gene?   I need to adjust my
> medication.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
> 
> Guess it depends on where you are... 
> 
> When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds
> use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... 
> then they would perch on them and have a feast 
> 
> 
> Never saw them act as a deterrent... 
> 
> Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda
> rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
> 
>> Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
>> the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
>> sitting right next to your APs.
>> 
>> Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
>> equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
>> won't be coming off in the wind.
>> 
>> Patrick Shoemaker
>> Vector Data Systems LLC
>> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
>> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
>> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
>> 
>> 
>> chris cooper wrote:
>>> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
>>> 
>>> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
>>> 
>>> Chris 
>>> Intelliwave
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
>>> 
>>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
>>> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
>>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
>>> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>>> 
>>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
>>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
>>> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
>>> stop.
>>> 
>>> Bob-
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Bret Clark]

At one of our tower sites, we have Peregrine Falcons nesting...not
another species of bird, squirrels, chipmunks or other annoying rodents
anywhere to be found!  And sometimes not another tower climber in site
either if they get too annoyed...LOL! 


On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:39 -0400, Glenn Kelley wrote:

> Guess it depends on where you are... 
> 
> When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use 
> these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... 
> then they would perch on them and have a feast 
> 
> 
> Never saw them act as a deterrent... 
> 
> Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda 
> rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:
> 
> > Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
> > the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
> > sitting right next to your APs.
> > 
> > Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
> > equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
> > won't be coming off in the wind.
> > 
> > Patrick Shoemaker
> > Vector Data Systems LLC
> > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> > office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> > http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> > 
> > 
> > chris cooper wrote:
> >> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
> >> 
> >> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
> >> 
> >> Chris 
> >> Intelliwave
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Robert West
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
> >> 
> >> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
> >> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
> >> 
> >> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
> >> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
> >> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
> >> 
> >> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
> >> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
> >> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
> >> stop.
> >> 
> >> Bob-
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

[Robert West]

Take a look in the panel van outside.  The "Overflow"..  Along with
the tower sections peeking out over the steering wheel.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

Bob 

I have seen your shop - I am sure you win... 

;-)
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Alright, alright  You win.  &%$#@&*$#
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some
TRS-80
> Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert West" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400
> 
>> Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000.  Them be da days!
>> 
>> Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement.  Yes, still works.
>> 
>> Someday I need to learn to throw things out..
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>> 
>> 
>> I knew that made "winchesters" back then :)
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> Runs on coal powered steam
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>> 
>>> 
 1889."
>>> 
>>> That's a damn good hard drive.
>>> 
>>> Scottie
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Robert West" 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400
>>> 
 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use
> it
 has, I just dunno.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Steven Barnes" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
 
 
> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a
> year
> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was
> turned
> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a
> Quantum
> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't
say
> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long 
> time
> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to
> get
> it started.
> 
> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it
> in
> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the
> attached pictures hard drive
> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot

> and
> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel
> universe.
> 
> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
> well
> behaved.
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...
> 
> Every component is subject to failure.
> 
> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.
> 
> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of
> machines...
> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa
> 
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this.
>> 
>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks 
>> DOA.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 
>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>

Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Robert West]

Glenn,

Why do I always think your name is Gene?   I need to adjust my
medication.



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Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

Guess it depends on where you are... 

When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds
use these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... 
then they would perch on them and have a feast 


Never saw them act as a deterrent... 

Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda
rubbery - so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... 


:-)

On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:

> Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
> the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
> sitting right next to your APs.
> 
> Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
> equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
> won't be coming off in the wind.
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> chris cooper wrote:
>> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
>> 
>> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
>> 
>> Chris 
>> Intelliwave
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
>> 
>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
>> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>> 
>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
>> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>> 
>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
>> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
>> stop.
>> 
>> Bob-
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Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

[Glenn Kelley]

Bob 

I have seen your shop - I am sure you win... 

;-)
On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Robert West wrote:

> Alright, alright  You win.  &%$#@&*$#
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80
> Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Robert West" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400
> 
>> Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000.  Them be da days!
>> 
>> Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement.  Yes, still works.
>> 
>> Someday I need to learn to throw things out..
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>> 
>> 
>> I knew that made "winchesters" back then :)
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson
>>  wrote:
>>> Runs on coal powered steam
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>> 
>>> 
 1889."
>>> 
>>> That's a damn good hard drive.
>>> 
>>> Scottie
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Robert West" 
>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400
>>> 
 I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use
> it
 has, I just dunno.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Steven Barnes" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
 
 
> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a
> year
> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was
> turned
> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a
> Quantum
> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say
> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long 
> time
> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to
> get
> it started.
> 
> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it
> in
> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the
> attached pictures hard drive
> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot 
> and
> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel
> universe.
> 
> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
> well
> behaved.
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
> 
> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...
> 
> Every component is subject to failure.
> 
> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.
> 
> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of
> machines...
> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa
> 
> 
> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this.
>> 
>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks 
>> DOA.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 
>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
>> that counts."
>> --- Winston Churchill
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>> 
>>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components
>>> rather
>>

Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Glenn Kelley]

Guess it depends on where you are... 

When I was in EMS in Atlantic City - I would see seagulls and other birds use 
these to drop their prey - fish or whatever on... 
then they would perch on them and have a feast 


Never saw them act as a deterrent... 

Then again - swimming in that part of the Atlantic does make one kinda rubbery 
- so perhaps their feet have become accustomed... 


:-)

On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote:

> Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
> the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
> sitting right next to your APs.
> 
> Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
> equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
> won't be coming off in the wind.
> 
> Patrick Shoemaker
> Vector Data Systems LLC
> shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
> office: (301) 358-1690 x36
> http://www.vectordatasystems.com
> 
> 
> chris cooper wrote:
>> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
>> 
>> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
>> 
>> Chris 
>> Intelliwave
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Robert West
>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
>> 
>> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
>> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
>> 
>> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
>> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
>> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
>> 
>> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
>> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
>> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
>> stop.
>> 
>> Bob-
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

[Justin Wilson]

Those link distances seem quite long for 11GHZ using 2 foot dishes.

Have you had any vendors you are looking at run some path calculations
for you?  The nice thing about Licensed links is the path calculations can
give you your estimated downtime over a year period.  We are working on an
11GHZ link for a client.  Basically us working is getting the GPS
coordinates, tower heights, and then contacting the vendors on the short
list.  They run the path calculations and tell us if it will work or not.
This particular path is looking at 18 miles with 4 foot dishes to keep the
reliability high.

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From: Scott Carullo 
Reply-To: , WISPA General List

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:39:24 -0400
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do
a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not
familiar with  So more questions...  Thanks ahead for your time I
appreciate any info provided.

Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any
manufacturer.

Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles.  18db output 40.4 db
dish (4ft)  900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle
with one link east one west.  Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP

How much is the rain going to affect me...  I have no experience with 11Ghz
and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the
rain starts.  I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can
dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm
not sure.  Any real world info would really help me at this point.  I guess
I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is
reality.

Next question is for temp inversions.  I have never had equipment higher
than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me.  I'm assuming that the
angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be
a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything
different here.  Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I
suspect...  I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly
marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water.  Does 11Ghz
behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions?  Worse, better?  5Ghz around here
sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs.

Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc?
Remember back to your first 10K + link :)  That's me now...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102






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[WISPA] OT: Needing - Dragonwave AirPair IDU

[Eric Muehleisen]

If anyone has a working Dragonwave Airpair IDU modem that they can part 
with, please let me know.

-Eric



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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[Patrick Shoemaker]

Yup, use that stuff. Nixilite is another major brand, but be sure to get 
the plastic stuff to avoid having a bunch of little parasitic antennas 
sitting right next to your APs.

Use a quality structural sealant like GE Silpruf to attach it to your 
equipment. You can pry it off later if necessary, but it definitely 
won't be coming off in the wind.

Patrick Shoemaker
Vector Data Systems LLC
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com
office: (301) 358-1690 x36
http://www.vectordatasystems.com


chris cooper wrote:
> http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes
> 
> These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.
> 
> Chris 
> Intelliwave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods
> 
> Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
> Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.
> 
> Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
> flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
> grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!
> 
> Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
> Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
> That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
> stop.
> 
> Bob-
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Justin Wilson]

Bob,
Thanks for sharing this story.  The evil in me was happy to see this.
:-)

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From: Robert West 
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:54:29 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old
Woman

Ah...  But it got better today.

This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP.  Teenage grandson begged
and begged to be installed.  I never install a paying customer until I test
and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet proof.
But "Josh" begs and I bend the rules.  Told my cousin, who was my volunteer,
I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up.  So I go to boys house.
Lives with grandparents.  The place is like a postcard.  Very unbelievably
anal.  Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel.  Grandpa says
"Nope", can't put it on the house.  (2 story, tall place)  No antenna
tower...  Well too bad then.  But "Josh", 15, makes the sad story to me
so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot
mast, ect..  Way out back behind the shed.  Tell them all it will
take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect.  Well here it is, been
a week.  Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude.
Today, boy calls, "Internet not working"  Attitude again. (I'm monitoring
all day, problem is obviously is with his PC)   I remind him that old man
said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to)  and I was
monitoring the signal all day today, and I was.  Has a -74 ALL DAY!  He's 7
miles out with trees  But still very good signal.  So teen boy,
"Josh" tells me "Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix it
you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including "the pole"
because it's UNRELIABLE"

Oppps!  Said the wrong thing.  I closed the store, went home and picked up
my saws all, drove out...  Pulled out the big cable cutters
Josh boy comes over on his ATV  "What ya think is wrong?"  I
say...  "I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna help
you all out and take it all down.

Deer eyes in the headlights.

Bluff called.

Cut the cable, took down top section.  Grandpa comes out.  "Sorry we weren't
reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to
cause you anymore pain."

"Uh, uh, uh..."  He says.

Sawsall.  Last section.  "Josh, can you go get me the power injector and
power supply?"  Okay...

In and out.

YOU'RE FIRED!

I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning "Unreasonable
Customers".  From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable
customers.

The truth is, I really don't give a damn if I provide quality internet at a
more than reasonable price to people who are jerks to us.  Life is too
short.  I'm a nice guy, (Too nice, so says Gene Kelly...  YO, GENE!)  I'm
done with unreasonable, pushy people.  They need to sign a "I Won't Be A
Jerk" agreement.  And yes, I'm making one.

Enjoy.

Bob-









- Original Message -
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] An Old Woman


That as good as the old man who asked my installer if he was spending
the night since its so late!

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> An old woman yelled at me tonight.
>
> "It's Ten O'clock, it's time to come down!"
>
> I work 24 hours a day. Old woman pissed me of.
>
> Had to share.
>
> Almost took my anenna home with m.
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

[chris cooper]

http://www.birdbgone.com/products/plastic-bird-spikes

These work for us.  Glue them to the top of your sectors.

Chris 
Intelliwave

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cheap Bird Deterrent Methods

Birds suck.  Bird crap all over the new sectors, grids, everything.
Tired of coming home smelling of bird crap.  I prefer my usual stink.

Is anyone using the plastic owls or any other weird thing to keep those
flying crap machines off the AP's?  i think of it everytime I climb a
grain leg but never do anything about it.  This is the year!

Oh, and racoons.  One AP is a 100 foot grain bin with steps up the side.
Racoon poop (i only imagine that it what it is) on every other step.
That I can deal with, I have kids afterall.  But the birds just need to
stop.

Bob-




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Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

[Robert West]

Alright, alright  You win.  &%$#@&*$#



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Stuart Pierce
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80
Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400

>Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000.  Them be da days!
>
>Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement.  Yes, still works.
>
>Someday I need to learn to throw things out..
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "RickG" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>
>
>I knew that made "winchesters" back then :)
>
>On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson
> wrote:
>> Runs on coal powered steam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>
>>
>>> 1889."
>>
>> That's a damn good hard drive.
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert West" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400
>>
>>>I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use
it
>>>has, I just dunno.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Steven Barnes" 
>>>To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>>
>>>
 Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a
year
 ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was
turned
 on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a
Quantum
 Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say
 the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long 
 time
 as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to
get
 it started.

 The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it
in
 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the
 attached pictures hard drive
 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days.

 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot 
 and
 Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel
 universe.

 I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
 well
 behaved.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...

 Every component is subject to failure.

 I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.

 Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of
machines...
 Samsung ram - feels like its all doa


 On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this.
>
> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks 
> DOA.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 
> end_of_the_skype_highlighting
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West
 wrote:
>
>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components
>> rather
>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5
>> years
>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the
 bad
>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wirele

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

[Robert West]

I ALWAYS try to disregard everyone.  



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination...
Please dis-regard everyone.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them.  Would
you take $350 for all three?

It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this
morning, so I won't be able to do much.  If you respond before 9:00 I
can send payment by PayPal.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d

I will remove items as they are sold.


Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

[Stuart Pierce]

I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 
Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey.

-- Original Message --
From: "Robert West" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400

>Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000.  Them be da days!
>
>Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement.  Yes, still works.
>
>Someday I need to learn to throw things out..
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "RickG" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>
>
>I knew that made "winchesters" back then :)
>
>On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson
> wrote:
>> Runs on coal powered steam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>
>>
>>> 1889."
>>
>> That's a damn good hard drive.
>>
>> Scottie
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert West" 
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400
>>
>>>I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it
>>>has, I just dunno.
>>>
>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>From: "Steven Barnes" 
>>>To: "WISPA General List" 
>>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>>
>>>
 Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year
 ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned
 on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum
 Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say
 the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long 
 time
 as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get
 it started.

 The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in
 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the
 attached pictures hard drive
 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days.

 Steve

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Robert West
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot 
 and
 Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel
 universe.

 I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and
 well
 behaved.

 Bob-



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives

 Running a large Data Center I can say yes ...

 Every component is subject to failure.

 I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well.

 Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines...
 Samsung ram - feels like its all doa


 On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this.
>
> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks 
> DOA.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 
> end_of_the_skype_highlighting
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
 continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West
 wrote:
>
>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components
>> rather
>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5
>> years
>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the
 bad
>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives
>>
>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these.
>>>

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

[Eric Rogers]

Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination...
Please dis-regard everyone.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Rogers
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them.  Would
you take $350 for all three?

It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this
morning, so I won't be able to do much.  If you respond before 9:00 I
can send payment by PayPal.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d

I will remove items as they are sold.


Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

[Eric Rogers]

I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them.  Would
you take $350 for all three?

It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this
morning, so I won't be able to do much.  If you respond before 9:00 I
can send payment by PayPal.

Thanks

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning

The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d

I will remove items as they are sold.


Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman

[Jason Bailey]

I thought I  was the only one who spent many hours on the phone to get them 
back on the sat connection after convincing them they have a wireless router of 
thier ownMade the mistake of offering service and now they think it's a 
scam! How many hours should one spend on the phone with a non-customer?

--- On Thu, 4/22/10, Scott Carullo  wrote:


From: Scott Carullo 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old Woman
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Thursday, April 22, 2010, 11:14 PM


Thats funny, but we can relate.  I like the one where the people call and 
tell us we hijacked their computer and we can't do that and how they are 
going to call (whoever).  The only page their computer can open is our 
hotspot page cause no matter where they go they get redirected to our 
friendly *pay here* page.  We nicely explain that no that is not the case 
and obviously they are unable to operate their computer properly, but we 
can help.  Its their next words that cause a sudden cease of communication 
or a walk through of how to disconnect from an access point...  Their 
choice :)  I've seen it go both ways more than once...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Robert West" 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:03 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old 
Woman

Regretfully no.  I went the other route, was so overly nice and respectful 

(Almost to the edge of sarcasim)  I'm sure they felt like total jerks, or 
at 
least normal folk would.   A big smile on my face and a saws-all in my 
hand.

But I was worked up, I can tell ya that.

Bob-

- Original Message - 
From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old 
Woman

> Did you actually tell them "YOUR FIRED" ???
>
> Congrats if you did, I know we've all wanted to do that at times to 
> certain
> customers...
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Robert West
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:54 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Today I fied a customer and I liked it! WAS An Old
> Woman
>
> Ah...  But it got better today.
>
> This customer was the ONLY one on a very NEW AP.  Teenage grandson 
begged
> and begged to be installed.  I never install a paying customer until I 
> test
> and test and tweak with a volunteer and it's perfect and near bullet 
> proof.
> But "Josh" begs and I bend the rules.  Told my cousin, who was my 
> volunteer,
>
> I'd be back after I get this kid all fixed up.  So I go to boys house.
> Lives with grandparents.  The place is like a postcard.  Very 
unbelievably
> anal.  Calculations put me 20 feet up for bottom of Fresnel.  Grandpa 
says
> "Nope", can't put it on the house.  (2 story, tall place)  No antenna
> tower...  Well too bad then.  But "Josh", 15, makes the sad story to 

> me
> so I bend again and spring for a 4 foot hole, 6 bags of cement, 40 foot
> mast, ect..  Way out back behind the shed.  Tell them all it 
will
> take probably a week to get it all set to be perfect.  Well here it is, 
> been
>
> a week.  Of course, grandma yells at me last night, has a big attitude.
> Today, boy calls, "Internet not working"  Attitude again. (I'm 
monitoring
> all day, problem is obviously is with his PC)   I remind him that old 
man
> said no house mount (has a very nice big chimney to clam on to)  and I 
was
> monitoring the signal all day today, and I was.  Has a -74 ALL DAY!  He's 

> 7
> miles out with trees  But still very good signal.  So teen boy,
> "Josh" tells me "Grandpa said that if you don't come out right now to fix 

> it
>
> you need to come tomorrow and take everything out including "the pole"
> because it's UNRELIABLE"
>
> Oppps!  Said the wrong thing.  I closed the store, went home and picked 
up
> my saws all, drove out...  Pulled out the big cable cutters
> Josh boy comes over on his ATV  "What ya think is wrong?"  I
> say...  "I'm sorry, grandpa says we're unreliable so I'm just gonna 
> help
>
> you all out and take it all down.
>
> Deer eyes in the headlights.
>
> Bluff called.
>
> Cut the cable, took down top section.  Grandpa comes out.  "Sorry we 
> weren't
>
> reliable sir, I told you it would take about a week but I don't want to
> cause you anymore pain."
>
> "Uh, uh, uh..."  He says.
>
> Sawsall.  Last section.  "Josh, can you go get me the power injector and
> power supply?"  Okay...
>
> In and out.
>
> YOU'RE FIRED!
>
> I'm working on a clause in our terms of service concerning "Unreasonable
> Customers".  From now on, I reserve the right to fire unreasonable
> customers.
>
> The t

Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

[Paul Hendry]

Hey Mike,

As you have already done the path calcs for 11GHz, what frequency comes 
out best for the 30 mile shot in that environment?

Cheers,

P.

-Original Message-
From: michael mulcay [mailto:m...@wirelessstrategies.net] 
Sent: 23 April 2010 06:38
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

Scott,

For a 30 mile path in Florida with a 40dB fade margin the outage is
predicted to be in excess of 20 hours. About 12 miles is the max I would
use.

Mike

831-659-5618

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:07 PM
To: Travis Johnson; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 
11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig...  Seams to me just 
guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade 
but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for 
answers...

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102



From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks

Hi,

I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or 
Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? 
What do their numbers show for availability?

Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to 
me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and 
we experience rain-fade during our "heavy" rain storms... and 
considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder 
about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest 
modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms).

Travis
Microserv

Scott Carullo wrote:
> Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to 
do 
> a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not 
> familiar with  So more questions...  Thanks ahead for your time I 
> appreciate any info provided.
>
> Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any 
> manufacturer.
>
> Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles.  18db output 40.4 
db 
> dish (4ft)  900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in 
middle 
> with one link east one west.  Calculations show just under 700 watts 
EIRP
>
> How much is the rain going to affect me...  I have no experience with 
11Ghz 
> and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the 

> rain starts.  I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can 
> dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm 

> not sure.  Any real world info would really help me at this point.  I 
guess 
> I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is 

> reality.
>
> Next question is for temp inversions.  I have never had equipment higher 

> than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me.  I'm assuming that the 

> angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would 
be 
> a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything 
> different here.  Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I 

> suspect...  I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly 
> marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water.  Does 11Ghz 

> behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions?  Worse, better?  5Ghz around here 

> sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs.
>
> Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc?  
> Remember back to your first 10K + link :)  That's me now... 
>
> Scott Carullo
> Brevard Wireless
> 321-205-1100 x102
>
>
>
>
> 


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