Bob I have seen your shop - I am sure you win...
;-) On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:05 AM, Robert West wrote: > Alright, alright........ You win. &%$#@&*$#!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Stuart Pierce > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:34 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 > Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 > >> Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! >> >> Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. >> >> Someday I need to learn to throw things out.......... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> >> I knew that made "winchesters" back then :) >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson >> <jrichard...@aircloud.com> wrote: >>> Runs on coal powered steam >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> >>>> 1889." >>> >>> That's a damn good hard drive. >>> >>> Scottie >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 >>> >>>> I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use > it >>>> has, I just dunno. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>> >>>> >>>>> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a > year >>>>> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was > turned >>>>> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a > Quantum >>>>> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say >>>>> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long >>>>> time >>>>> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to > get >>>>> it started. >>>>> >>>>> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it > in >>>>> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the >>>>> attached pictures hard drive >>>>> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. >>>>> >>>>> Steve >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM >>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot >>>>> and >>>>> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel >>>>> universe. >>>>> >>>>> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and >>>>> well >>>>> behaved. >>>>> >>>>> Bob- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>> >>>>> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... >>>>> >>>>> Every component is subject to failure. >>>>> >>>>> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. >>>>> >>>>> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of > machines... >>>>> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks >>>>>> DOA. >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 >>>>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>>> continue >>>>>> that counts." >>>>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West >>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the >>>>> bad >>>>>>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >>>>>>> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds > to >>>>>>> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >>>>>>> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being >>>>> able >>>>>>> to hold someone else accountable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on > the >>>>> low >>>>>>>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop >>>>> will >>>>>>>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've >>>>> found >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom >>>>> one-off >>>>>>>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less >>>>> than >>>>>>>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect > or... >>>>> is >>>>>>>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the > point >>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from > a >>>>>>>> "distributor". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com> >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>>>>>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>>>>>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with >>>>>>>>> Seagate. >>>>>>>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@omnicity.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good >>>>> luck >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >>>>>>> Maxtor >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO >>>>> Western >>>>>>>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! >>>>> In >>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of >>>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just >>>>> asking >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black > edition" >>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid > the >>>>>>>>>> cheapy >>>>>>>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >>>>>>> tested >>>>>>>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a >>>>> let >>>>>>>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now >>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>>>>> <robert.w...@just-micro.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to > the >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they >>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you >>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 >>>>> can >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the >>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As >>>>> well >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and >>>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They > were >>>>>>>>>>>> flashed >>>>>>>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fail. Again, if in a raid, they will essentially fail at the > same >>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> installed at the same time. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have went as far as RMAing one that showed no issues and they >>>>>>>>>>>> replaced >>>>>>>>>>>> that one as well with no questions. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert West >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just Micro Digital Services Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 740-335-7020 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo5 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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