I've got a couple of those with a clock card them as well, plus some TRS-80 Model III's, a VIC 20 and an Odyssey.
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:56:49 -0400 >Winchester 20meg hard card in my Tandy 1000. Them be da days! > >Oh, and I still have it stored in my mothers basement. Yes, still works. > >Someday I need to learn to throw things out.......... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RickG" <[email protected]> >To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:45 PM >Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives > > >I knew that made "winchesters" back then :) > >On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Jerry Richardson ><[email protected]> wrote: >> Runs on coal powered steam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >> >> >>> 1889." >> >> That's a damn good hard drive. >> >> Scottie >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "Robert West" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:58:59 -0400 >> >>>I still have a Conner 30meg drive that still works. From 1889. What use it >>>has, I just dunno. >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:28 PM >>>Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>> >>> >>>> Quantum bigfoot sheesh. I actually had one come in here less than a year >>>> ago. Couldn't hardly stand the sound of the whine when the pc was turned >>>> on. Walked in and told my tech that I'd bet him lunch that had a Quantum >>>> Bigfoot in it by the sound. I got a free lunch. At least you didn't say >>>> the old Seagate ST-225RLL 20 Meg Those things worked well for a long >>>> time >>>> as long as you could get to the motor and spin it with your knife to get >>>> it started. >>>> >>>> The pictures of I attached are of a drive that still spins. I sold it in >>>> 1992 as a super server. Novell 3.12 2 meg dip ram on 2 ram boards, the >>>> attached pictures hard drive >>>> 376 Meg Total price $6859.00 Those were the days. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 2:03 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>> >>>> The best and most reliable hard drives I ever had were Quantum Bigfoot >>>> and >>>> Quantum fireball drives. But that was when I lived in a parallel >>>> universe. >>>> >>>> I was also rich, very good looking and my children were respectful and >>>> well >>>> behaved. >>>> >>>> Bob- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of Glenn Kelley >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 1:30 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>> >>>> Running a large Data Center I can say yes ... >>>> >>>> Every component is subject to failure. >>>> >>>> I have seen CPU's die - I have seen boards - Ram and the like as well. >>>> >>>> Funny - never had crucial ram doa or die ... in thousands of machines... >>>> Samsung ram - feels like its all doa >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone had a CPU go bad? I've never once seen this. >>>>> >>>>> I've never had RAM go bad either, though I have had some bad sticks >>>>> DOA. >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 937-552-2340 >>>>> end_of_the_skype_highlighting >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue >>>>> that counts." >>>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Robert West >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We can easily hold others accountable if we use the retail components >>>>>> rather >>>>>> than the OEM. 3 years on the Intel processor, 3 on the motherboard, 5 >>>>>> years >>>>>> on the hard drive, etc. If a part fails, we swap it out and rma the >>>> bad >>>>>> one. But that very rarely happens anyhow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bob- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Charles Hooper >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:43 AM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] System Builders WAS: Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>> >>>>>> Being a system builder does seem like it would be pretty tough these. >>>>>> Most of the shops around here have shifted from doing system builds to >>>>>> becoming Value-Added Resellers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even with "servers" it seems best to go with a name brand, what with >>>>>> HP's 3 year warranties and all. And, let's face it, it's nice being >>>> able >>>>>> to hold someone else accountable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Charles >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>> How can you be a system builder anymore? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use only top quality parts because there's not enough margin on the >>>> low >>>>>>> quality ones to justify the support... but then Dell's $400 desktop >>>> will >>>>>>> work just fine for many people for 5 years. The only market I've >>>> found >>>>>> for >>>>>>> system builders are "servers", gaming machines, and other custom >>>> one-off >>>>>>> applications. I can't get the hardware for a decent system for less >>>> than >>>>>>> $600, then you have to add Windows, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've found that buying from NewEgg or ProVantage or TigerDirect or... >>>> is >>>>>>> significantly cheaper than D&H, ASI, MA Labs, etc. often to the point >>>>>> where >>>>>>> after profit, the NewEgg device is less expensive than my cost from a >>>>>>> "distributor". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Steven Barnes" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:53 AM >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a system builder. I disagree. I have sold seagate drives for 18 >>>>>>>> years. I built over 200 systems last year. I had 2 I had to RMA. I >>>>>>>> have returned 20% of Wd and 30% of hitachi. I will stay with >>>>>>>> Seagate. >>>>>>>> Get a good distributor like ASI . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Adam Kennedy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where do you guys buy your drives from that you have had such good >>>> luck >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> WD and not Seagate? Since 1994 I have had countless failures with >>>>>> Maxtor >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> Western Digital disks. In fact just a few weeks ago I had TWO >>>> Western >>>>>>>>> Digitals fail in the same server and they were Raid Edition disks! >>>> In >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>> lifetime I have had maybe two Seagate drives fail. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It also makes a huge difference, with any brand, what model of >>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> buy. If you buy a cheap version of any of them then you are just >>>> asking >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> issues. Western digital I would stick with anything "Black edition" >>>> or >>>>>>>>> better. Seagate I would stick with anything XT or better. Avoid the >>>>>>>>> cheapy >>>>>>>>> versions of anything, most of the time those cheapy disks are not >>>>>> tested >>>>>>>>> before leaving the factory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Adam Kennedy >>>>>>>>> Network Engineer >>>>>>>>> Omnicity, Inc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:15 AM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In 25+ years of experience, Seagates & Maxtors have always been a >>>> let >>>>>>>>> down. Western Digital is the best. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've had really good luck with the Seagates for a long time now >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> china-mart finally caught up to them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:08 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drives >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Friends dont let friends use Seagates :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Robert West >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FYI. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If anyone is using Seagate 7200.11 SATA hard drives (500gb to the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> terabyte) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and have been experiencing random blue screens or lockups, they >>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>> having firmware problems for awhile on these drives and you >>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>> backup >>>>>>>>>>> your data and send them back to Seagate via RMA. The 7200.11 >>>> can >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> usually found on the top left hand corner. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've found that even in a raid, they can fail pretty much at the >>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> and thus thwarting the protection of the raid. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've talked to one other WISPA member who had this problem (As >>>> well >>>>>> as >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> own experience with them - 5 sent back already on my own) and >>>>>> thought >>>>>>>>>>> others may want to look to see what's in their servers. They were >>>>>>>>>>> flashed >>>>>>>>>>> with the wrong firmware and experience a countdown of sorts then >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> eventually >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fail. 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