[WISPA] Repeater
I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Steve, I have been having very good luck with the new generation of Deliberant radios. http://deliberant.com/landing/deliberant_products.aspx Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
The Ubnt Nano M's can pass power to the 2nd port. I have a number of them out there. For the most part, I love it. I have one that is acting up, but that is due to a lost password (or more likely a fat fingered one) On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
There's an organization out there called CISPA - California ISP Association www.cispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alex Perez Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities? Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking and wireless at all. It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too if you like that route. I highly recommend it. So much easier than putting two radios up. We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could not be happier at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or c...@wispa.org) - check that yet? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/7/2010 9:21 AM, Alex Perez wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: WISPA has a California mailing list (probably califor...@wispa.org or c...@wispa.org) - check that yet? Thanks Josh, I had no idea. I'm subscribed now! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
Alex, We have a list called califor...@wispa.org. You can sign up for the list at http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/california. There are currently only 4 member on that listserv. You might want to introduce yourself when joining and some of those local providers may be able to help you with your requests. Alternatively, go to http://www.wispdirectory.com and search for California. This is the most complete list of WISP businesses that I am aware of. WISPA also hosts a Google Map of our members at http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=170 which also may be of some assistance. There are two pages when you click on larger map. Respectively, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alex Perez Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities? Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? On Jun 7, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill Prince is out that way. http://skylinebroadbandservice.com/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Alex Perez ape...@alexperez.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been lurking on the lists for a few weeks now, and don't really see any activity by ISPs in the western united states (PST/PDT). Is anybody out there? I'm in Silicon Valley, and believe it or not, there are lots of folks with almost zero terrestrial wireless options at 3+ megabits on the periphery of Silicon Valley. If you're out there, any chance we can talk off-list? Regards, Alex Perez WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Whatever works for you Steve. Deliberant has a gui and I use them in conjunction with MT too. Learning curve is 1/2 hour -- the gui is intuitive. What I really like about them is any of the radios can do anything with a firmware flash. APs can be CPE, CPE APs et al. The DUO would fit your specs perfectly. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Well, if you are doing the Loco station/Bullet, you'll need antennas too...that's why I didn't put them on there. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes. What's wrong with the Loco antennas? They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and 5Ghz (I think). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Oh...thanks for the reminder... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: I meant to just say bullet's not Loco's. It's Monday...lol. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater John Thomas - three emails have been blank in the last few minutes. What's wrong with the Loco antennas? They're 8 and 13dbi for 2.4 and 5Ghz (I think). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:47 AM, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
.e ww.sa xs,cssx. Z. Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
John Dude you got some issues. Look below to see what we get. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater .e ww.sa xs,cssx. Z. Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? Not to my knowledge. I've always done two lines up the tower. Usually MT APs so I can do tons of troubleshooting but an NS2 works great, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking and wireless at all. It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too if you like that route. I highly recommend it. So much easier than putting two radios up. We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could not be happier at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
It's a custom skin version of the Wilibox software. Not flex-based like the CPE's. Don't know much more than that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater So What software do they have running on the Deliberant Quads/Duos units now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater There is next to no learning curve on the Deliberant if you know networking and wireless at all. It's an easy web interface and has full SSH access too if you like that route. I highly recommend it. So much easier than putting two radios up. We've been that route too with Trazeo and have not replace ALL of our Tranzeo repeater sites with Deliberant AP Duo's or Quads. Could not be happier at the moment. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware they added second ethernet port. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
2.4 does 5 and 3.65 do NOT http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote: since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware they added second ethernet port. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
That is nice to know, I never looked at the 2.4 rocket as I had no plans to use it. Now, mmm, for some very rural links that might do. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: 2.4 does 5 and 3.65 do NOT http://www.ubnt.com/rocketm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote: since when? I know they have/had had a USB port, but I wasn't aware they added second ethernet port. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
We went LLC taxed as an S Corp not so much for tax reasons as we did legal reasons. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater That is what I do. It works well for hitting small pockets, a dozen people or so,plus I use it when the client wants a AP. People are not allowed to connect things to the network with out permission, if they do, and it runs their bill up, they get the idea quickly. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:08 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Nope Nanos have second Eth. Rockets only have USB port as port2. Nano's are a good solution as long as a 16db antenna will suffice for the application. If not, a solution like Deliberent or MT is needed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater UBNT rockets have a second Ethernet port -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Thanks for the advice guys on the Deliberant. However, Last thing I really want to do is learn another radio system. Really hoping for a MT or UBNT option. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:56 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Get a Deliberant AP Duo. $350 and no hassle. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] West Coast WISPA activities?
East Bay Area/Mt Diablo Region Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications www.airCloud.com ~Sent mobile~ On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-06-07 at 07:32 -0700, Alex Perez wrote: Thanks Josh, I'm familiar with Bill; He and I live just a few miles from each other. Anybody else out here in the west? ACK from the central valley (Modesto/Merced areas). Regards, -- Kristian Hoffmann System Administrator kh...@fire2wire.com http://www.fire2wire.com Office - 209-543-1800 | Fax - 209-545-1469 | Toll Free - 800-905-FIRE --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion. As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are allowed to represent yourself in court. If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can do it cost effectively without a lawyer. When one person has only their own time as an expense, and teh other party has to pay expensive lawyers, the one without expenses has a huge upper hand in dispute resolution. Corporations, Scorps, Partnerships, and LLCs on the other hand are required to have a bar approved lawyer in the state they are having a legal battle in, and an owner or stock holder does NOT have the right to represent themselves or the company and in some cases not even a clear right to be heard. There are a few exceptions to that, for example many states have rules of higher presidence, for example to have the obligation to find the truth, or to not waste the court's time and money, or prevent undue financial harm due to frivilous claims. But thats another topic, and differs per state. With the exception to the above, I could never recommend someone to select to be a Sole Proprietor, if in the wireless business. Being a LLC or S-Corp is NOT difficult, nor expensive. If it is, change accountants, or do it yourself. Any simplicity sole pro offers can be achieved by an Scorp or LLC, other than the actual tax return. For example, whetehr to be cash or acccrual based in accounting and taxation. Typical complexities with LLCs and S-Corps like seperate record keeping and such are things that should be relicated with Sole Prop anyways. The second someone becomes a sole proprietor they loose so many options to escape over taxation, that far outway the savings of sole proprietor's simplicity. The only exception might be if the individual looking to be a Sole Prop, only intends to have a very small number of residential subs, maybe under 50, and really isn't trying to be more than the neighborhood court WIFI aggregator. Now, there are many that operate as a Sole Prop, but I'd argue that they did that only because they started out that way when they were not fully versed on teh benefits of S-corp and LLC, and there may not have been a compelling reason for them to change. But I'm not aware of many that convert back to Sole Prop after being a LLC or S-Corp. The hard part of LLC and S-Corp is teh upfront learning curve, not the maintenance afterwords.. I have however many times seen companies upgrade from S-Corp to Corp. S-Corp can have some disadvantages when trying to find equity stock holders or investors. Usually the first thing they try to do is convert you to a Corp or LLC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason?
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Note... One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost of health insurance. On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first formed our S-Corp, we could not deduct the full csot of health insurance. Back then it was only like 30%. But with a C-Corp we could deduct 100%. So we actually kept both companies and employed techs under the C-Corp, to save on Insurance. This can equate to a lot of cash, considering just my own family's policy is now up to almost $1400 per month, before I start considering employess. Now, I believe it has changed with SCorps. It was supoposed to graduly change over time to be 100% coverage for S-Corps just like C-Corps. Check with your accountant to be sure, but my point here is that there would no longer be a disadvantate to being a S-Corp for insurance reasons. However, as a Sole Proprietor, you may not have the same full health care Tax deduction. (Again, verify with Accountant). But my point here is... just on Healthcare costs alone, it can be justified NOT to be a Sole prop in many cases. That is provided you need your own health care policy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C corp the CPA recommended S corp and the financial advisor was ok with C but would have preferred to see C corp status. Both agreed that for us and in the state of Kansas it was in our best interest to be a Corporation (S or C really didn't matter they both had their advantages and disadvantages) instead of LLC or partnership. Neither me nor anyone else on this list can tell what you should be so as Travis say you really need to check with your accountant. Lot is going to depend on many different things, state regulations, state taxations, structure, business type, revenue, profit and ownership structure. The more your accountant/CPA/financial advisor knows about your business the better they will be able to recommend for you and what perks/disadvantages there is to each option. When selecting a accountant/CPA/financial advisor it's important you select someone that knows the regulations and registration requirements for YOUR state. Each CPA/financial advisor is generally only allowed to provide service in a specific set of states for which they have passed testing requirements (very much like a lawyer, just because you're a lawyer doesn't mean you're allowed to practice in any and all states) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
If you're at -68, subtract ~2db for the cables/connectors, subtract FSL (frequency, distance) and finally add the antenna gain at the house. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Garbage.. Let's say optimum consideration here... Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db for the Grid = -46 Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db Soo... If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will give you a -130 dB. I don't think that will work.. Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive antenna. Like -20dB -B- Steve Barnes wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief description of them in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Without knowing the frequency it's hard to say, but you can apply the usual link budget calculations to get an idea. Depending on the antenna radiation patterns the final result can be different of the simple link budget (either better due to coupling or worse due to phase distortion). I would include some vertical separation on the tower if possible. Gut feeling: 1/4 mile is short enough for this to work. Rubens Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!
We're making news! Thanks for sharing!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:06 PM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: FCC Study: FTTH Out, DSL and Fixed Wireless In to Bring Broadband to Unserved http://www.telecompetitor.com/fcc-study-ftth-out-dsl-and-fixed-wireless-in- to-bring-broadband-to-unserved/ The FCC released a report yesterday that identifies a total cost of $23.5 billion to bring broadband http://download.broadband.gov/plan/the-broadband-availability-gap-obi-techn ical-paper-no-1.pdf of at least 4 Mb/s to unserved territories. That is if you use DSL and fixed wireless to accomplish the task. If you were to go with FTTH, the cost jumps to $62 billion. The Broadband Availability Gap http://download.broadband.gov/plan/the-broadband-availability-gap-obi-techn ical-paper-no-1.pdf report is part of a larger effort by the FCC, as mandated by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (or broadband stimulus program), to perform an analysis of the most effective and efficient mechanisms for ensuring broadband access by all people of the United States. This analysis uses net present value economics to derive a total cost of $23.5 billion to bring broadband to the 7 million homes (14 million people) identified as unserved in the U.S. DSL and fixed wireless technologies were identified as the methods to deliver broadband for this price tag. The use of other technologies would increase these costs, significantly so, in some cases. The 4 Mb/s benchmark is used because that's the number the FCC has identified as a target for broadband funding under the new Connect America Fund (CAF). Considering the current high cost fund of the USF is about $4 billion and the FCC says that universal service funding will not increase as a result of the transition to broadband and the CAF, it's not entirely clear how this will be paid for. We're talking about a $19 billion shortfall - and that's just to bring 4 Mb/s via DSL and fixed wireless. For now, $23.5 billion is the FCC's base case for bringing broadband to the unserved. The FCC will open this process up to public comment, as they determine the best approach to deliver on universal broadband. http://www.telecompetitor.com/fcc-study-ftth-out-dsl-and-fixed-wireless-in-t o-bring-broadband-to-unserved/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
5/100 ths of a mile puts it at -100dB That's about 250' from the antenna. -B- Rubens Kuhl wrote: On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. Yes, it does. Passive reflectors and passive repeaters are usual chapters on microwave literature, and you can read a brief description of them in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_repeater A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Without knowing the frequency it's hard to say, but you can apply the usual link budget calculations to get an idea. Depending on the antenna radiation patterns the final result can be different of the simple link budget (either better due to coupling or worse due to phase distortion). I would include some vertical separation on the tower if possible. Gut feeling: 1/4 mile is short enough for this to work. Rubens Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In!
Although I like the Article, the Headlines are misleading, and spinning the FCC's statements. I'm not sure the headline's conclusion is what the FCC said. What the Report said was that It will cost 3-4 times more to bring FTTH. It also said The FEds dont have a plan to pay 60 billion. But nothing prevented the suggestion of Fiber carriers (RBOCs and Cable Cos) from investing matching funds. For example, IF Telcos agreed t oinvest $40billion (and they have it), the Feds could give the other $20 million to them. What it really says is admission that US consumers need the Monoply companies's money. Although, I'm gald we are finally getting some press suggesting common sense, that wireless is more affordable, and maybe we should be looking at what we need, not just what we want. I would like a Ferrari, but I settled for a mini-van. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:06 PM Subject: [WISPA] FCC Says FTTH Out DSL/Fixed Wireless In! FCC Study: FTTH Out, DSL and Fixed Wireless In to Bring Broadband to Unserved http://www.telecompetitor.com/fcc-study-ftth-out-dsl-and-fixed-wireless-in- to-bring-broadband-to-unserved/ The FCC released a report yesterday that identifies a total cost of $23.5 billion to bring broadband http://download.broadband.gov/plan/the-broadband-availability-gap-obi-techn ical-paper-no-1.pdf of at least 4 Mb/s to unserved territories. That is if you use DSL and fixed wireless to accomplish the task. If you were to go with FTTH, the cost jumps to $62 billion. The Broadband Availability Gap http://download.broadband.gov/plan/the-broadband-availability-gap-obi-techn ical-paper-no-1.pdf report is part of a larger effort by the FCC, as mandated by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (or broadband stimulus program), to perform an analysis of the most effective and efficient mechanisms for ensuring broadband access by all people of the United States. This analysis uses net present value economics to derive a total cost of $23.5 billion to bring broadband to the 7 million homes (14 million people) identified as unserved in the U.S. DSL and fixed wireless technologies were identified as the methods to deliver broadband for this price tag. The use of other technologies would increase these costs, significantly so, in some cases. The 4 Mb/s benchmark is used because that's the number the FCC has identified as a target for broadband funding under the new Connect America Fund (CAF). Considering the current high cost fund of the USF is about $4 billion and the FCC says that universal service funding will not increase as a result of the transition to broadband and the CAF, it's not entirely clear how this will be paid for. We're talking about a $19 billion shortfall - and that's just to bring 4 Mb/s via DSL and fixed wireless. For now, $23.5 billion is the FCC's base case for bringing broadband to the unserved. The FCC will open this process up to public comment, as they determine the best approach to deliver on universal broadband. http://www.telecompetitor.com/fcc-study-ftth-out-dsl-and-fixed-wireless-in-t o-bring-broadband-to-unserved/ Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com http://showmebroadband.com/ 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband St. Louis WISP since 2003 SBA Certified WOSB CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and deleting or destroying the e-mail and any attachments without retaining any copies. Thank you for your cooperation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working. Greg Ihnen wrote: Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs. But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate communications. Greg On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Garbage.. Let's say optimum consideration here... Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db for the Grid = -46 Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db Soo... If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will give you a -130 dB. I don't think that will work.. Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive antenna. Like -20dB -B- Steve Barnes wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me. Two times in many years I have done just that with limited success. The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW Florida. It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the techs. Cell phone coverage was the pits. What I did was point a Yagi at a known cell tower a few miles away. The feed line penetrated the building and fed a half wave dipole. One of the benefits of that particular time in my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer. The dipole was cut very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater. In that way any matching errors to the feedline were negated. It gave cell phones in the building a couple bars and made usage possible. The second one was for a customer here in Iowa. They live down in a bowl and couldnt see my tower 2 miles away. They have a campground. Cell phones dont work well at all in the bowl. There is a pasture which has a hill that rises up from the bowl. From that hill you can see my tower. They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the entire property into a hot spot. It works well. We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼ wave again. One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the campground. It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didnt work most of the time before. If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way. I would be curious to see the results as I havent done it with frequencies over 800 MHz. I wouldnt look for any magic results but reasonable results if your engineering is sound. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 Mike's http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h tml Weekly Column 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working. Greg Ihnen wrote: Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs. But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate communications. Greg On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Garbage.. Let's say optimum consideration here... Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db for the Grid = -46 Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db Soo... If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will give you a -130 dB. I don't think that will work.. Get a repeater or get a stronger receive signal at your receive antenna. Like -20dB -B- Steve Barnes wrote: Ok I have never even thought about doing this. Does it actually work? This sounds WAY to simple. A 29Db Grid on a Grain Leg pointed at the AP that has a -68 signal plugged into a 24 DB Grid Pointed to the house 1/4 mile away. What kind of signal would you have on the back side at the house? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater One option to consider is a passive repeater. Wire a coax cable between the two dishes and you are done... no electronics to fail, no power to supply on a remote location. (haven't tested this trick with dual polarity, though) Rubens On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Steve Barnes mailto:st...@pcswin.com st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business). Thanks for the input! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Tom, I agree with one exception: Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Which is really what sent me on this tangent. Its such a burden to put all this withholdings reporting crud on a Mom Pop business. I've always filed paid all my taxes but the paperwork and documentation is nearly unbearable. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion. As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are allowed to represent yourself in court. If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can do it cost effectively without a lawyer. When one person has only their own time as an expense, and teh other party has to pay expensive lawyers, the one without expenses has a huge upper hand in dispute resolution. Corporations, Scorps, Partnerships, and LLCs on the other hand are required to have a bar approved lawyer in the state they are having a legal battle in, and an owner or stock holder does NOT have the right to represent themselves or the company and in some cases not even a clear right to be heard. There are a few exceptions to that, for example many states have rules of higher presidence, for example to have the obligation to find the truth, or to not waste the court's time and money, or prevent undue financial harm due to frivilous claims. But thats another topic, and differs per state. With the exception to the above, I could never recommend someone to select to be a Sole Proprietor, if in the wireless business. Being a LLC or S-Corp is NOT difficult, nor expensive. If it is, change accountants, or do it yourself. Any simplicity sole pro offers can be achieved by an Scorp or LLC, other than the actual tax return. For example, whetehr to be cash or acccrual based in accounting and taxation. Typical complexities with LLCs and S-Corps like seperate record keeping and such are things that should be relicated with Sole Prop anyways. The second someone becomes a sole proprietor they loose so many options to escape over taxation, that far outway the savings of sole proprietor's simplicity. The only exception might be if the individual looking to be a Sole Prop, only intends to have a very small number of residential subs, maybe under 50, and really isn't trying to be more than the neighborhood court WIFI aggregator. Now, there are many that operate as a Sole Prop, but I'd argue that they did that only because they started out that way when they were not fully versed on teh benefits of S-corp and LLC, and there may not have been a compelling reason for them to change. But I'm not aware of many that convert back to Sole Prop after being a LLC or S-Corp. The hard part of LLC and S-Corp is teh upfront learning curve, not the maintenance afterwords.. I have however many times seen companies upgrade from S-Corp to Corp. S-Corp can have some disadvantages when trying to find equity stock holders or investors. Usually the first thing they try to do is convert you to a Corp or LLC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Tom, are you an employee of your corp then? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Note... One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost of health insurance. On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first formed our S-Corp, we could not deduct the full csot of health insurance. Back then it was only like 30%. But with a C-Corp we could deduct 100%. So we actually kept both companies and employed techs under the C-Corp, to save on Insurance. This can equate to a lot of cash, considering just my own family's policy is now up to almost $1400 per month, before I start considering employess. Now, I believe it has changed with SCorps. It was supoposed to graduly change over time to be 100% coverage for S-Corps just like C-Corps. Check with your accountant to be sure, but my point here is that there would no longer be a disadvantate to being a S-Corp for insurance reasons. However, as a Sole Proprietor, you may not have the same full health care Tax deduction. (Again, verify with Accountant). But my point here is... just on Healthcare costs alone, it can be justified NOT to be a Sole prop in many cases. That is provided you need your own health care policy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C corp the CPA recommended S corp and the financial advisor was ok with C but would have preferred to see C corp status. Both agreed that for us and in the state of Kansas it was in our best interest to be a Corporation (S or C really didn't matter they both had their advantages and disadvantages) instead of LLC or partnership. Neither me nor anyone else on this list can tell what you should be so as Travis say you really need to check with your accountant. Lot is going to depend on many different things, state regulations, state taxations, structure, business type, revenue, profit and ownership structure. The more your accountant/CPA/financial advisor knows about your business the better they will be able to recommend for you and what perks/disadvantages there is to each option. When selecting a accountant/CPA/financial advisor it's important you select someone that knows the regulations and registration requirements for YOUR state. Each CPA/financial advisor is generally only allowed to provide service in a specific set of states for which they have passed testing requirements (very much like a lawyer, just because you're a lawyer doesn't mean you're allowed to practice in any and all states) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's impedance (a perfect match represented by the point marked 1.0 in the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance. To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in other words you return to where you started. Greg On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote: The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me. Two times in many years I have done just that with limited success. The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW Florida. It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the techs. Cell phone coverage was the pits. What I did was point a Yagi at a known cell tower a few miles away. The feed line penetrated the building and fed a half wave dipole. One of the benefits of that particular time in my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer. The dipole was cut very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater. In that way any matching errors to the feedline were negated. It gave cell phones in the building a couple bars and made usage possible. The second one was for a customer here in Iowa. They live down in a bowl and couldn’t see my tower 2 miles away. They have a campground. Cell phones don’t work well at all in the bowl. There is a pasture which has a hill that rises up from the bowl. From that hill you can see my tower. They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the entire property into a hot spot. It works well. We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼ wave again. One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the campground. It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didn’t work most of the time before. If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way. I would be curious to see the results as I haven’t done it with frequencies over 800 MHz. I wouldn’t look for any magic results but reasonable results if your engineering is sound. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 Mike's http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h tml Weekly Column 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working. Greg Ihnen wrote: Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship - around a 1000 ft) and short cable runs. But it did let enough RF leak into the below deck areas to facilitate communications. Greg On Jun 7, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: Garbage.. Let's say optimum consideration here... Present RSL -68 db Subtract cable loss -2 dB = -70 Add +24 db for the Grid = -46 Free Space Loss at 1/10th of a mile is -84 db Soo... If you take the -46 dB level out and add the FSL of -84 dB that will give you a -130 dB. I don't think that
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Rick, Your comment regarding owning nothing doesn't take into account the full picture. You have earnings and you will continue to earn money in the future. If you are found liable for a tort or even for a breach of contract as a sole proprietor, not only can the court order you to turn over assets (house, car, and bank accounts), the court can garnish your current and future sources of income to satisfy the judgment. In the end, you get stuck having to file personal bankruptcy to eliminate the judgment/garnishment. While corporate formalities can be a pain they are a necessary evil if you hope to shield yourself from the liabilities that flow from operating a business. If you are simply looking for a pass-through income option, you might consider forming an LLC which enjoys limited liability but works like a partnership for purposes of pass-through income and loss reporting. Regards, Larry Yunker Rick Wrote: I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business). Thanks for the input! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
You are absolutely right. A quarter wave feed line is an impedance inverter. If my 1/4 wave multiples were even numbered the same effect would be found. (2 x 1/4 wave = half wave) A half wave feed is an impedance repeater. I DO find the idea intriguing, but not so that I will be the one to acid test it. :-) Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater My understanding is that a half wavelength long feed line presents zero impedance transformation. See the Smith chart - http://www.scott-inc.com/img/smith.gif The idea being that if you have an impedance of anything other than feed line's impedance (a perfect match represented by the point marked 1.0 in the center of the chart) and you plot that impedance it will be a certain distance and direction from 1.0. Then using a compass you measure from 1.0 on the chart out to the plotted input impedance point and swing an arc and draw a circle centered on 1.0 that intersects the plotted input impedance. To calculate the impedance seen at any point along the feed line as you move down the feed line's electrical length (fraction of a wavelength) you move around the Smith chart (actually around the circle you drew) and that will be the impedance seen at that point on the feed line. The scale around the outer diameter of the Smith chart reads in decimal fractions of a wavelength. If you go 1/4 wave down the feed line that represents going .25 wavelength around the Smith chart's outer scale which corresponds to going 180 degrees around the chart (the point opposite of the input impedance on the circle you drew). If you go a half wave down the feed line then you go 360 degrees around the circle that intersects the feed point impedance, in other words you return to where you started. Greg On Jun 7, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mike wrote: The whole idea of a passive repeater intrigues me. Two times in many years I have done just that with limited success. The first was a metal building I built for Daystar Communications in SW Florida. It was our NOC and housed our customer support team as well as the techs. Cell phone coverage was the pits. What I did was point a Yagi at a known cell tower a few miles away. The feed line penetrated the building and fed a half wave dipole. One of the benefits of that particular time in my life is I had access to a very nice network analyzer. The dipole was cut very precisely, and the feedline, LMR 600 if I remember correctly, was cut to a multiple of ¼ wave and acted as an impedance repeater. In that way any matching errors to the feedline were negated. It gave cell phones in the building a couple bars and made usage possible. The second one was for a customer here in Iowa. They live down in a bowl and couldnt see my tower 2 miles away. They have a campground. Cell phones dont work well at all in the bowl. There is a pasture which has a hill that rises up from the bowl. From that hill you can see my tower. They planted a telephone pole and ran electricity to it. We put a panel pointed at my tower and a second one lower as a repeater which termed the entire property into a hot spot. It works well. We took 2 long commercial 800 MHz Yagis and connected them together with a short feedline measured, with the velocity factor to be a multiple of ¼ wave again. One Yagi points at a cell tower, the other points at the campground. It gives cell phones a couple bars where they didnt work most of the time before. If you used a couple high gain, efficient dishes and separated them with minimum feedline or hardline, it should work in a similar way. I would be curious to see the results as I havent done it with frequencies over 800 MHz. I wouldnt look for any magic results but reasonable results if your engineering is sound. Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 Mike's http://www.tamatoledonews.com/page/category.detail/nav/5001/Local-Columns.h tml Weekly Column 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 5:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater For this to work, one end needs to be very short. In a typical mountain-top repeat situation, the combined free-space path loss from BOTH paths is more than enough to prevent the link from working. Greg Ihnen wrote: Actually I've done this on ships where the deck department needed to communicate with the engine room and personnel down in compartments where winches for line handling were located. We're talking very short distances (less than the length of the ship -
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Yeah, but you are still responsible for Self Employment tax, so its a wash, except for the man hours to actually record and report withholdings. But not sure that you escape the reporting by beign a sole prop. For the business, you still have to make estimated tax payments on income earned as its earned (monthly or quarterly) as a Sole Prop. (Or risk penalties) I recognize reporting is a pain. But reporting is a part of being a business, no matter which entity type you select. The only way around it is to outsource it. There are many Payroll services like ADP that can be outsourced to if you dont like to do it yourself. As far as breaking the corporate veil... Many people with good cause list a prime advantage of Corp status to be the protection of the corporate veil for liabilty. In my opinon that is only one of the lesser benefits. For me, its all about Tax savings or legal avoidance of taxes. There are so many games that can be played. A basic example would be the company car. Or If you rent a home and work out of your home, thats another. For example, as a Sole Prop, you'd like only be able to take the home office deductions (a big red audit flag), where as if you have a corp, you may be able to asses the business portion of rent based on market value of similar size commercial space, and take a larger deduction. Now if you dont work out of your home, well that obviously wont help. It also may depend on whether you plan to make money or loose money. For example, if you planned to loose money, for example if invested a lot of cash upfront, there are positive and negative of going S-Corp. For example, if your loses transfer to personal returns, you could end up with a negative income, and that could enable you and your family to qualify for Financial Aid for colledge. Or if you have a part time job, will help offset your taxable income sooner. But showing a negative personal income, could also make it very hard to prove income ability and make it hard to qualify to buy or refinance a house. If you anticipate you will make money, again, there can be repurcussions dependant on where it is hurtful to show income. There are a million scenarios. But I guess, these last examples would be example of Corp vs S-Corp or Sole Prop, and S-Corp and Sole-Prop would yield similar benefits. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I agree with one exception: Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Which is really what sent me on this tangent. Its such a burden to put all this withholdings reporting crud on a Mom Pop business. I've always filed paid all my taxes but the paperwork and documentation is nearly unbearable. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion. As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are allowed to represent yourself in court. If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can do it cost effectively without a lawyer. When one person has only their own time as an expense, and teh other party has to pay expensive lawyers, the one without expenses has a huge upper hand in dispute resolution. Corporations, Scorps, Partnerships, and LLCs on the other hand are required to have a bar approved lawyer in the state they are having a legal battle in, and an owner or stock holder does NOT have the right to represent themselves or the company and in some cases not even a clear right to be heard. There are a few exceptions to that, for example many states have rules of higher presidence, for example to have the obligation to find the truth, or to not waste the court's time and money, or prevent undue financial harm due to frivilous claims. But thats another topic, and differs per state. With the exception to the above, I could never recommend someone to select to be a Sole Proprietor, if in the wireless business. Being a LLC or S-Corp is NOT difficult, nor expensive. If it is, change accountants, or do it yourself. Any simplicity sole pro offers can be achieved by an Scorp or LLC, other than the actual tax return. For example, whetehr to be cash or acccrual based in accounting and taxation. Typical complexities with LLCs and S-Corps like seperate record keeping and such are things that should be relicated with Sole Prop anyways. The second someone becomes a sole proprietor they loose so many options to escape over taxation, that far outway the savings of sole proprietor's simplicity. The only exception might be if the individual looking to be a
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
