Re: [WISPA] What is this?
A 16 Port KVM with IP access :) You shuld be able to hook 16 servers up, and use a web page, or other IP connection to connect to it :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: December 16, 2010 12:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What is this? DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyble char...@knownelement.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom. Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and destroy small competitive providers. Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached. Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide best effort 911 service? I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's a two edged sword. Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of view. On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing that right now, and compromising our Free country? Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come from the amount of information that is collected and collated on individuals and used to target advertising. Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv). They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies. How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other large brands. There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when you move from the access to distribution layer. Most people that speak publicly in the operations community are at the access layer (running eyeball networks). Very few people from the content provider/distribution space speak publicly. I am limited in what I can say, as I'm bound by various NDA. However I can say that the content providers and eye ball networks are interested in working out a good deal
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
At 12/16/2010 05:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Be careful what you wish for; you might get it. The reason that the Internet works today is that nobody's in charge. Beyond the limited number of access providers, is as close as we come these days to a free market. Hence the price paid by one provider to another is set by negotiation, not rules. Contrast this to the PSTN where there are elaborate, complex, ambiguous, overlapping rules for intercarrier compensation and carrier can spend huge sums on lawyers arguing over it. The dispute between Level 3 and Comcast hinges over who gets the most value out of the deal. Comcast can refuse to take Level 3's CDN traffic, and thus its subscribers won't get the same quality of Netflix. They might lose subscribers. Or their backbone expenses might rise. Akamai apparently was paying Comcast; Level 3 doesn't want to pay. Once regulations get written and interconnection moves from voluntary to mandatory (this could be part of neutrality), the ISPs with the most expensive, limited capacity are the first to get hurt. Guess who that is. Not Comcast, not ATT. Do you really want to tie up your radios with the super-low-value bits of streaming TV? -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Non-compliant POE Injector/Power Controller
Anybody know if one of these exist? A combination of a Tycon Non Compliant Mid-span injector and a Data Logger Ethernet Power Controller that will run off of VDC input. If some one doesn't make one, someone should. Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Non-compliant POE Injector/Power Controller
Not sure if they have exactly what you are looking for, but check out the SiteMonitor line athttp://www.packetflux.com/ On 12/16/2010 8:41 AM, Phil Curnutt wrote: Anybody know if one of these exist? A combination of a Tycon Non Compliant Mid-span injector and a Data Logger Ethernet Power Controller that will run off of VDC input. If some one doesn't make one, someone should. Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
It's a 16 Port KVM IP Switch, you have to buy SIPods that are of the USB or PS/2 variety to hook to your server, then you connect this device with the SIPods and you are able to manage multiple servers from one keyboard/monitor, where this also does KVM over IP you can also install the software on your computer to be able to remotely access the servers. One nice thing about a KVMoIP Switch is you have Bios level access to any of your servers. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20 Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 16:03, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps-key-features_vendor.asp .35 cents a user a month. $4.20 a user per year. I am hearing to switch to google all my users must change there SMTP and POP3 settings to point at google. Ugh, not gonna happen. You might be able to work around some of that with DNS trickery. Or, you can (in the short-term) run something like Perdition ( http://horms.net/projects/perdition/) to proxy your customers' email connections through to Google. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
These are very nice if you can get them to work. I had one but had a LOT of issues with it. Didn't spend a lot of time on it, and wish I had it back now, but yeah, it would be sweet... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess @ LTI Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? A 16 Port KVM with IP access :) You shuld be able to hook 16 servers up, and use a web page, or other IP connection to connect to it :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: December 16, 2010 12:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What is this? DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
Also will bring a decent price on eBay. :-) -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:26:51 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? These are very nice if you can get them to work. I had one but had a LOT of issues with it. Didn't spend a lot of time on it, and wish I had it back now, but yeah, it would be sweet... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess @ LTI Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? A 16 Port KVM with IP access :) You shuld be able to hook 16 servers up, and use a web page, or other IP connection to connect to it :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: December 16, 2010 12:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What is this? DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
We still have one of these in use, but don't use it as much these days now that everything is going virtual. Worked flawlessly for us and was a great tool to have when you needed it in a pinch. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? These are very nice if you can get them to work. I had one but had a LOT of issues with it. Didn't spend a lot of time on it, and wish I had it back now, but yeah, it would be sweet... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess @ LTI Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? A 16 Port KVM with IP access :) You shuld be able to hook 16 servers up, and use a web page, or other IP connection to connect to it :) --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: December 16, 2010 12:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What is this? DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
If the disk space requirements allow go buy some large SSD Intel drives and your disk IO problem will likely go away. I don't buy anything but SSD any more unless I can't fit what I need on one. We have a larger one I put in our mail server and its not a fast machine but the performance of the SSD made up for it then some. Just a thought... Thought about that in past. We currently are running a 500GB drive. Thought about this SSD. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139400 I have heard SSD drives have a limit on write access though. Something about so many writes to disk and there worn out. I am doing a lot of writes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
http://www.networkcomputing.com/deduplication/ssd-poised-to-move-into-the-da ta-center.php Another issue is reliability. SSDs have emerged from the consumer market, where the workload and reliability requirements are low compared to those with enterprise systems. The new drives wear out faster than HDD drives, which creates a couple of problems. First, companies need sophisticated management tools that will be proactive and take steps to ensure that a drive problem will not knock all of their applications offline. Also, the additional maintenance requirements may possibly increase a firm's manpower requirements and hardware costs. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:04:37 -0600 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts If the disk space requirements allow go buy some large SSD Intel drives and your disk IO problem will likely go away. I don't buy anything but SSD any more unless I can't fit what I need on one. We have a larger one I put in our mail server and its not a fast machine but the performance of the SSD made up for it then some. Just a thought... Thought about that in past. We currently are running a 500GB drive. Thought about this SSD. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139400 I have heard SSD drives have a limit on write access though. Something about so many writes to disk and there worn out. I am doing a lot of writes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
It's worthless, send it to me. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 12:16 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
Ok, do you want me to send a box of cash too? LOL Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? It's worthless, send it to me. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 12:16 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Accounts
Thinking a bit about ATMail now. http://www.atmail.com/linux-email-server/ Seems pretty feature rich. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3. This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out. Could WISPs with bigger (gig+) pipes let us know what percentage of your traffic goes to ASNs 20940 and 22822? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 4:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles N Wyblechar...@knownelement.com To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/14/2010 11:29 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Oldest trick in the book, attach a position to an ideological word that people cant disagree with. Who can disagree with freedom. Little does the public know they are supporting a position that could reduce freedom and possibly even destroy their freedom of choice, as they signon to positition that will reduce speeds, increase costs, reduce investment, and destroy small competitive providers. Freedom really means no regulation, so providers can have the freedom to build networks without unnecessary beurocracy and burdens. Freedom to allow people to build businesses based without strings attached. Um no regulation? Really? So if I build out a large cable plant I can charge whatever I want, deny access to people, sue anyone who tries to compete into the ground, not upgrade my infrastructure and provide best effort 911 service? I know that many in the operations community oppose regulation, but it's a two edged sword. Ironically, Google is one of the largest advocates of NEtNEutrality but yet one of the largeset threats to freedom. NetNEutrality is best purposed to stop abuse of power by those with market power. I'd argue Google has majority market power beyond that of any single access provider. Google has more eyeballs and and steers Internet traffic more than any other entity. What would happen if we made a Save the Small Provider, the real Open Internet or Vote Content Neutrality not NetNeutrality for an Open Internet would it get a top indexing on search engines? Or would the Save the INternet Pro NetNEutrality get the top Indexing? Google has the power allow consumers to see the point of view of content providers, but to prevent their access to view Access provider's point of view. On a critical vote week like this week, Google has power to censor what consumers can find and have access to. What preventing Google from doing that right now, and compromising our Free country? Google is an advertising company. A very successful one. Having done extensive work in the advertising industry, I can tell you that censorship is the least of your worries. The threats to freedom come from the amount of information that is collected and collated on individuals and used to target advertising. Yes they possess extensive capabilities to support their distribution channel. Yes that channel is getting more and more extensive on a regular basis (search/maps/mail/mobile/tv). They have an open peering policy. They actively encourage people to peer with them and work out the best traffic engineering policies. How many folks here have peered with google and built TE policies? I know of at least one WISP that has. I have worked for organizations that exchanged massive amounts of traffic with google/microsoft and other large brands. There is a massive amount of things that happen behind the scenes, when you move from the access to distribution layer. Most
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is this?
You drive a tough bargain. i suppose I can accept your offer, but remember... you owe me. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 11:24 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: Ok, do you want me to send a box of cash too? LOL Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What is this? It's worthless, send it to me. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 12/16/2010 12:16 AM, Blake Bowers wrote: DELL POWEREDGE 2161DS 16-PORT KVM IP SWITCH 2161-DS I just found one of these literally laying here. Can anyone tell a technology impaired person what it is? Is it still something of value? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=gotoFemtocell Custommer was concerned. It said not compatiable with wireless. Also, says requires 1 mbps but does not say what direction. Tried to tell him to just make sure he can return it if there is an issue. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
Interesting. Yet another pay for service company passing the transport onto ISPs for free. Good idea on their part though. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
I have one in my office and home. Uses about 50k full duplex per phone conversation up to 3 so a total of 150kbps full duplex. I do not see a problem with any of my customers usiung them. Works flawless. Reason Verizon is telling them it doesn't work with wireless is they are assuming your wireless is satellite. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
That sounds an awful lot like a conversation I would have had with my dad years ago and a letter he would have stood over me to make sure was said with proper apologetic attitude. Soon after I would be out in the pig barn scraping the walls with a putty knife since it appeared I had way too much time on my hand and needed time to think how to be more productive with my life. (Whao flash back ) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
We see the same things. Not sure I've ever gotten someone that is angry. Most of them are scared %...@tless. They all hear about people getting nailed for stuff like that. So when you say big brother is watching the normally take notice quick. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:00 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Great Steve, Now I have the scent of Pig Barn scrapings in my sensory as I try to decide what to have for lunch, thanks buddy! LOL Forbes On 12/16/2010 11:17 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: That sounds an awful lot like a conversation I would have had with my dad years ago and a letter he would have stood over me to make sure was said with proper apologetic attitude. Soon after I would be out in the pig barn scraping the walls with a putty knife since it appeared I had way too much time on my hand and needed time to think how to be more productive with my life. (Whao flash back ) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [* SPAM (Header)] - content filtering as a premium service for subscribers - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses
We use NetSweeper, works pretty well with minimal support needed. If you would like to test it let me know off list. -Layne Layne Sisk www.ServerPlus.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [* SPAM (Header)] - [WISPA] content filtering as a premium service for subscribers - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME TO: fields in the email addresses Anyone offering web content filtering as a premium service to subscribers? If so what have you found works best? We've had a few requests, and are trying to see if it is worthwhile. Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Looks like Dad Wisdom is wise and Son Wisdom is now wiser ;) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the southland to build out the infrastructure. In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me rooms. Other areas of the country not so much. Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm7bAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtf7MP/R62xrf3a1v/G+mQMCzrA3xi HvbUg7OglDal1JvqFvSrEnIxvq6gmwlrII+XABVo/dlKIGkX9tx6OA8Ni0IOftrn hp6ba5tVdN3nSmkBCKhIK7BpaABHfYDmYlVnGLP7GCweBWClODGK6v0tSUmam//d oXFRtInH7XX+fNC0OQpFPWCJE5TLDRi54Py1Usui+2uYMvyNM1FvqzIgIgJwfgBb gTKRqI+cAzCWch3AlLbdxJhNcNEj4FLo+Fqi8IqNSOB7PbH28hF6Xt7MnuNnvFN8 LmEvHfilhVX2uH908zhvmk93UaJxI1b3SlOnGvstbN/FxBHOpTxjIJhzLyEoD1eO 3muxK9pI7n+XmetTbamBrNVPMGa3S55x8dDCpZiCe2raPukhbiYGEWPRYvslK3/D 1yc2KxZI7Oj7hG88qin9hIqjWOt1I/aoAAGezv0N1Rt/y0oRpP8jubNev+clMcB0 xQzoft8oibP1M+j3J8YvTcYG8fST889MpIrzNCDpKT2NDhpv9XKYDxL+uUvSwf+n Ar10XzASgyle4Ao+z+aIru4rUk44gdGeswbyWhGleAxz7GG+ZlE0NfqA5A6nKH5e JtE2lo+HiE9xDzzOmVVGWy68xHtLYjodQZOM8e0RfolIbtbNCBWUxWBc3PyRuCjv si2j+0ooCeAvT5ZIXe0o =TldW -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
LOLz, My wife (the boss) called one dad on our network to ask him to tone down the bit-torrent-ing. She was told by the dad that they did not torrent. Well, they went computer to computer and disconnected each one. When they got to the son's computer they discovered the culprit... :) My wife felt pretty bad, the kid was in serious trouble, especially since his dad worked for MS as some leader in the team running/developing MS-DRM! ryan On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 09:34 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: You wouldn't connect to NetFlix, but to LimeLight, Akamai, or Level3. Sure. You are absolutely correct. Ideally you would connect to an open peering fabric that has all these players on it. That way you don't need to meet Akamai traffic commits, as they are already in a vast majority of the exchanges. This is where multiple WISPs buying bandwidth in aggregate helps out. Absoultetly. This is one of the core tenants of socalwifi.net model. Aggregation/collective bargaining power. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm9cAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtht8QAIR0ZTfD2eOK2hoSEpi+3t8l VGdnawVd9RribNymLclU/f/Upf1sxdRt4GJ23Ln0wMJD3RMxXh/F77F6DCQ8YMfR U97P7lrYw4SeMjts/mOSU8fk4nAb2WUJ04H0L6vztdIK96exC0yugJH9wpdtA2vU YWzGlu7mRJrN3S1XA7GMZcxmaNC7hH+TxYgqAar8w4feD2vDAbHnwXPYVZ+srnz6 wShXfa6qvq2sNhhkRYnHxQE5LlbxchUiYaiWKHItlSrv06LxVumor/larwfOU+eV 2WPf+UtTmYFFDKVGqWFL3JFdZrY5Bx+HIwdGEaRTa9xvkH6zgRZlo7dyhIK8ZAR+ uwIocXzRkIeTkN6KLJi6jGeEnXmzdOyuTRkS73NbTR2/dwDzxkYHTE9k2jofYl8l 9SaDflXkwl1mbJfTk41cr6Ca66tCJBq3FnfwWBqYUEj0IHqFa5S9j3dHiUi0ySWs VxQlYGTLCB1FGcwHH/ys2gXIeX/NQuoMbPFKY/K8LYe45ynR0JRwmTllxV2LqIhT K+SvtHw2tPaUlQBxyc02+lBKzvbispjk2iih+Vt7ow69HAsiJnluGMUl/LqlplHe gDIUeQUnaiOpwEJEFbS4mN+yum7Tzha4G6dLiyCXWk9f1h6vkgDDn3/UgXa0Sez9 kYyOygZMIOcuiBufQApc =H4YQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
This sounds like a good idea. To help this I think we should get every WISP to put a pushpin on Google Earth at their peering point(s) and create a master file to talk with these peering partners. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles N Wyble Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:56 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 02:07 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: ATT/Verizion/WISPS should be aggressively targeting Comcast subscribers with much better rates, and peering with L3/Netflix everywhere. This is what an ASN and your own IP space buys you. Well thats part of the problem. Do we really have that option? L3 and Netflix often deny peering requests from smaller operators. They dont let us play, and dont always allow us the option to share in the savings. So what do you think NetFlix's mentality is If we were to want to interconnect Would they ask us to eat the cost to build out to them, or would they eat the csot to build out to us, or would we share the csot and meet in the middle? Everyone thinks they are more valluable than the small local provider, and the small local provider usually gets leveraged into paying the cost to interconnect. Why shouldn't WISPs have peering relationships direct with NetFlix, where either party pays the other for having higher push traffic? Why are we not worthy to be the recipient of compinsation in peering? Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the southland to build out the infrastructure. In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me rooms. Other areas of the country not so much. Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm7bAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtf7MP/R62xrf3a1v/G+mQMCzrA3xi HvbUg7OglDal1JvqFvSrEnIxvq6gmwlrII+XABVo/dlKIGkX9tx6OA8Ni0IOftrn hp6ba5tVdN3nSmkBCKhIK7BpaABHfYDmYlVnGLP7GCweBWClODGK6v0tSUmam//d oXFRtInH7XX+fNC0OQpFPWCJE5TLDRi54Py1Usui+2uYMvyNM1FvqzIgIgJwfgBb gTKRqI+cAzCWch3AlLbdxJhNcNEj4FLo+Fqi8IqNSOB7PbH28hF6Xt7MnuNnvFN8 LmEvHfilhVX2uH908zhvmk93UaJxI1b3SlOnGvstbN/FxBHOpTxjIJhzLyEoD1eO 3muxK9pI7n+XmetTbamBrNVPMGa3S55x8dDCpZiCe2raPukhbiYGEWPRYvslK3/D 1yc2KxZI7Oj7hG88qin9hIqjWOt1I/aoAAGezv0N1Rt/y0oRpP8jubNev+clMcB0 xQzoft8oibP1M+j3J8YvTcYG8fST889MpIrzNCDpKT2NDhpv9XKYDxL+uUvSwf+n Ar10XzASgyle4Ao+z+aIru4rUk44gdGeswbyWhGleAxz7GG+ZlE0NfqA5A6nKH5e JtE2lo+HiE9xDzzOmVVGWy68xHtLYjodQZOM8e0RfolIbtbNCBWUxWBc3PyRuCjv si2j+0ooCeAvT5ZIXe0o =TldW -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Thanks for sharing, it's fun to hear about homeruns! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! LOLz, My wife (the boss) called one dad on our network to ask him to tone down the bit-torrent-ing. She was told by the dad that they did not torrent. Well, they went computer to computer and disconnected each one. When they got to the son's computer they discovered the culprit... :) My wife felt pretty bad, the kid was in serious trouble, especially since his dad worked for MS as some leader in the team running/developing MS-DRM! ryan On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Steve, Your Dad sounds like he's related to mine! I spent one LONG summer with a idiot stick (shovel ) in my hands. The first day I thought I figured it out, a month later I wanted nothing to do with farming, by three months, I just wanted tonever mind. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! That sounds an awful lot like a conversation I would have had with my dad years ago and a letter he would have stood over me to make sure was said with proper apologetic attitude. Soon after I would be out in the pig barn scraping the walls with a putty knife since it appeared I had way too much time on my hand and needed time to think how to be more productive with my life. (Whao flash back ) Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Muhahahahaha... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
I have at least one customer using this. VZ installed it for them, I think. They would certainly know it is a fixed wireless connection. On 12/16/2010 12:53 PM, Matt wrote: Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=gotoFemtocell Custommer was concerned. It said not compatiable with wireless. Also, says requires 1 mbps but does not say what direction. Tried to tell him to just make sure he can return it if there is an issue. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:11AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote: Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. I've peered in the past with an ISP because we both were part of a statewide frame relay network and it was just the cost of a PVC to do it. The current impediments to small ISPs peering are: 1. BGP skills and hardware. It used to be the only reliable thing for BGP was a big cisco decked out with overpriced ram. Now anyone can do BGP private peering with a PC running MT/vyatta/linux or an MT routerboard, or their cisco or their juniper. Still, few have BGP experience to do this comfortably. You can get the talent in socal, but it's not nationwide. People could hire Butch or someone on guru.com to setup bgp, but they like to have the self sufficiency to DIY in many cases. I've probably met face to face all the people in my state who are proven BGP skillful and it's not a lot. 2. very high speed links between ISPs. Chances are ISPs with somewhat overlapping service areas don't have core network speeds all the way to each other's edge, and a peering connection would then be slower than just using your uplink. Getting these super high speed and reliable connections between WISPs is doable, but not cheap in all situations. If you were in the same city, yes, it could be very cost efficient. Arra middle-mile projects, friendly clecs, or cheap backhaul radios could change this. For example, Maine will have a 3-ring-binder fiber network where most of the ISPs or their upstream will connect to it. They will then be able to connect to each other with extreme speeds exceeding their uplinks. 3. decreasing uplink costs. Used to be you'd do anything to save a precious megabit and peering was one such thing. I had a satellite receiver system for receive usenet to offload the bandwidth back in 97ish. Now it's just outsourced. We used to cache a lot more web traffic too. Now it's helpful but not so important. If there were an occasional megabit of traffic going to another local ISP, I wouldn't really consider it worth the effort of peering. I would suspect most of the traffic between WISPs is email and a little random p2p, and perhaps some vpn activity between employees and businesses that use different service providers. The peers despite the extreme minimalist financial investment should be more reliable than the uplink to make good sense as well. That's something I'm hoping to do with socalwifi.net. I want to create a WISP friendly carrier. Peer with me over a private AS and I'll peer with all the other guys at various interconnection points. Or something like that. I'm working with some top tier networking talent here in the southland to build out the infrastructure. In short I'm building my own middle mile. Of course the socal area is full of carrier neutral interconnection points with wireless meet me rooms. Other areas of the country not so much. Dont misunderstand me, I do not mean to stereo type and I am not saying for sure that NetFlix or any content provider aren't willing to peer or talk about fair terms. I'm just saying, who's in control of whether it will occur? Simple. The eyeball network and the content provider. Not the feds. Not the FCC. A direct 1 to 1 relationship (or an open peering fabric). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCm7bAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAtf7MP/R62xrf3a1v/G+mQMCzrA3xi HvbUg7OglDal1JvqFvSrEnIxvq6gmwlrII+XABVo/dlKIGkX9tx6OA8Ni0IOftrn hp6ba5tVdN3nSmkBCKhIK7BpaABHfYDmYlVnGLP7GCweBWClODGK6v0tSUmam//d oXFRtInH7XX+fNC0OQpFPWCJE5TLDRi54Py1Usui+2uYMvyNM1FvqzIgIgJwfgBb gTKRqI+cAzCWch3AlLbdxJhNcNEj4FLo+Fqi8IqNSOB7PbH28hF6Xt7MnuNnvFN8 LmEvHfilhVX2uH908zhvmk93UaJxI1b3SlOnGvstbN/FxBHOpTxjIJhzLyEoD1eO 3muxK9pI7n+XmetTbamBrNVPMGa3S55x8dDCpZiCe2raPukhbiYGEWPRYvslK3/D 1yc2KxZI7Oj7hG88qin9hIqjWOt1I/aoAAGezv0N1Rt/y0oRpP8jubNev+clMcB0 xQzoft8oibP1M+j3J8YvTcYG8fST889MpIrzNCDpKT2NDhpv9XKYDxL+uUvSwf+n Ar10XzASgyle4Ao+z+aIru4rUk44gdGeswbyWhGleAxz7GG+ZlE0NfqA5A6nKH5e JtE2lo+HiE9xDzzOmVVGWy68xHtLYjodQZOM8e0RfolIbtbNCBWUxWBc3PyRuCjv si2j+0ooCeAvT5ZIXe0o =TldW -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /*
[WISPA] Looking for Sendmail Consultant
Need to fix some issues, ASAP Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Carl Shivers cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Press Floods the FCC With Net Neutrality Petitions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/16/2010 01:01 PM, jp wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:56:11AM -0800, Charles N Wyble wrote: Let's get some data around this. How many WISPS here have tried to peer? With whom? On what terms? I know Akamai has traffic commits. Do the other players? Let's start some open dialog and as an industry leverage our collective bargaining power to peer. Generic hand waving and saying big boys won't let us in the sandbox doesn't work for me as an operator. I like specifics. I've peered in the past with an ISP because we both were part of a statewide frame relay network and it was just the cost of a PVC to do it. It's not about access networks peering. That's usually not worth the effort for the reasons you outlined below. It's about peering with the content provider networks. The current impediments to small ISPs peering are: 1. BGP skills and hardware. It used to be the only reliable thing for BGP was a big cisco decked out with overpriced ram. Now anyone can do BGP private peering with a PC running MT/vyatta/linux or an MT routerboard, or their cisco or their juniper. Still, few have BGP experience to do this comfortably. The level of effort is hopefully nothing more the a textbook templatized config that connects you to the fabric. The talent is in running the fabric. You can get the talent in socal, but it's not nationwide. People could hire Butch or someone on guru.com to setup bgp, but they like to have the self sufficiency to DIY in many cases. I've probably met face to face all the people in my state who are proven BGP skillful and it's not a lot. Yeah it's a small subset for sure. 3. decreasing uplink costs. Used to be you'd do anything to save a precious megabit and peering was one such thing. I had a satellite receiver system for receive usenet to offload the bandwidth back in 97ish. Now it's just outsourced. We used to cache a lot more web traffic too. Now it's helpful but not so important. If there were an occasional megabit of traffic going to another local ISP, I wouldn't really consider it worth the effort of peering. I would suspect most of the traffic between WISPs is email and a little random p2p, and perhaps some vpn activity between employees and businesses that use different service providers. The peers despite the extreme minimalist financial investment should be more reliable than the uplink to make good sense as well. Again it's not about access networks. It's about content networks and access networks. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJNCowSAAoJEMvvG/TyLEAt4b8P/1q3iJwv42KpEFBWeBy6GFZv huZVjXh/XWPCLSjcJPpQPGeRFZx2/D6yw6oMP+XRMt0DxlS6/bHM2EXbK+rStTwI tyfNc4jTvEBdvIjLAbDnmGI1YNl0xcfrU+9Ch/YG/qV0i6sDkdFPw7W9Se6e4LQZ PW43mxT+stAxrtw42+xR+qJA1bmH5VfekM7oECasT/Lbd0NdrnMqeRdattLzMyaq D1pQRZ6v9cYSMOjKmdPS9EIF96TeqVe8MEfnVT7SD4oyaW6JAX5t3lh2x3+4NoOX zDcqKGR98CXkpgql66hCZpvTNSaQOp1iWOICpMFUG/47maUNc3PU7Sae5dwGgHOA 1d3jcH7MCbaCQB1rLeWx0OBHyz6TmYfbnekJxbceJyPIO1BK9aoe2pB4OpB9gcNK db44Us79VwmaxK2pAqxkjpp8NiTC7uNwOTbYCs38KVY96N/hvhAjdjI5pFH6ff+K mL8GEp7yWP/9MhYQJAakPtLQY8KDWo27pT+iYM+pUzmsz9cPAHNDGFMjCFdEucu8 ibh0nqkp4N3r5opP+qNkHaDG0Sb+B2/t7KZnMWpiBzcnaD+7gY6GEgffOrN5ydOZ RcJTOMRSe4eN4uBsAQY1rT94oXN3SC+ZpTMIZVkeYd0R43A2lGBLFXG93fAVfCtJ p2nENREpFic4Sth2ZvJ1 =9aVZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
It requires GPS (which most people not in caves have) and about 60k connection both ways per conversation (up to 3 conversations). It creates an IPSEC VPN out to Verizon that the voice traffic goes over. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
How you been Brad!? Glad to see your still around. -Kurt _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I've been good - not planning on going anywhere! Just a quiet Lister! On Dec 16, 2010 5:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How you been Brad!? Glad to see your still around. -Kurt _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20 Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Are your APs not GPS-synced? Dave On Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Of course they are. There is a good document published by Motorola on this very subject *http://tinyurl.com/22quxyu* I've been in contact with 2 other large operators with the exact same situation. They each moved to a ABCD channel plan as well. -Eric On 12/16/2010 4:48 PM, David Sovereen wrote: Are your APs not GPS-synced? Dave On Dec 16, 2010 5:04 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com mailto:ericm...@gmail.com wrote: We have a pretty large 320 network (200 SM's) and just recently had to move to 3.5mhz channel sizes because of self-interference between sectors. The ABAB channel plan will not scale well and you will suffer high packet loss as a result. Once your cluster hits around 20-30 SM's you'll begin to see it. Moving to a ABCD channel plan has resolved many issues and packet loss is very minimal now. Customer experience has greatly improved. We have subscribers at 9 miles so moving to 5mhz channel size is not an option until the extended range firmware is released. Obviously, once this software is released and the product gains upper 25mhz approval we can then run ABCD channel plan in 10mhz. Until then, we're stuck. -Eric On 12/16/2010 3:39 PM, Carl Shivers wrote: I'm running v6.2.4.3 on the SMs and System Release e2.0.1 on the APs. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net mailto:cshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
The Cuckoo's Egg is an amazing book if you have not read it. On Dec 16, 2010 5:56 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I just had one today, explained to the customer, they called their son. Son said it was legal. I explained it wasn't. They then asked how to change the password on the wireless router. This is their second offense. They are no longer letting their son use it. If he figures it out, I'm going to do a PPPoE session direct to their computer requiring a password. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.netwrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 06:17:51PM -0500, Josh Luthman wrote: The Cuckoo's Egg is an amazing book if you have not read it. Yes, good reading. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Anyone remember the webramp?dial-up router? --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
I remember using one only about 10 years ago. On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone remember the webramp?dial-up router? --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
seems wierd that we have moved so far in such a short time...What will come in the next ten years?iptv for all homes...ouch --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:40 PM I remember using one only about 10 years ago. On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: Anyone remember the webramp?dial-up router? --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 9:33 PM Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.org wrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!!
Oh sure you want to start that, huh? The 28.8 was for my dial-up ISP, I had a Datec 1200 baud modem for my BBS and my Kaypro 10 laptop used a whopping 300 baud. I used to test my lines by warble whistling into the phone. As for computers starters the TI-99 and commodore 64, I wish I was a youngster but this is my 17th year in this business and before that about three more years using only alta-vista and SIP BBS connections to this new Internet thingie. I had $50K to start my ISP at the same time my stock broker was encouraging me to buy this IPO called Netscape, sigh. On 12/16/2010 6:33 PM, Scott Reed wrote: Youngster. I don't know that I have it, but my first high-speed modem was 9600. What a boost from 1200 which I used to do my first online class. On 12/16/2010 9:24 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: I have my first 28.8 modem from the beginning of dial-up. On 12/16/2010 4:23 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: I keep one of my USR 56k modems on the wall =) On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Rick Harnishrharn...@wispa.orgwrote: Our first employee was a 14 year old kid that hacked into our server shortly after we started a dialup business in 1995. His payment for the next couple years was hardware. Dang, he must be nearly 30 now. I can promise you he was successful! I went into the office one day and my partner said We've been hacked. I looked at him dumbfounded, not knowing with hacked meant. He said I'm going to catch him next time. The next day he said I caught him, you will never believe who it is, He is 14 years old and he starts work tomorrow. Ah the good ole days! 56K Frame Relay backbone and (16) 19,200 baud US Robotics modems. :) Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Lambert Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copyright Infringement --- TOO FUNNY!!! On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:59:23AM -0800, Mark Nash wrote: When we forward copyright notices from the entertainment industry lawyers to our customers who download illegally-obtained movies, we get a variety of responses from our customers, ranging from none at all, shocked, angry, understanding, etc. This takes the cake...DEFINITELY my favorite...gettin a little wrist-slap from dad... (names have been changed to protect the guilty)... *** Hello this is Taylor Wisdom, Bill Wisdom's son. My father just informed me of an email he received from UnwiredWest via Mark Nash regarding the downloading of a film which violated copy infringement laws. The was labeled Takers. I did download the film Takers from a bit torrent website and have since then deleted the film and any programs affiliated with them. This sort of copyright infringement will not happen again. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Taylor Wisdom *** Sounds like most of the conversations we used to have with the 13 year old script-kiddy-wannabes in the late 90's. The parents had no clue what the kids were up to, but got very serious with the kids when we called them at 2am to report their mis-behaviour. One kid's father scared hime enough that when one of his IRC friends from another state said he was going to use a password he found for one of our customer's on our shell server, the kid told Dad and Dad dialed the phone and handed it back to the kid. He ended up talking to me. I watched the other kid log in and run a few commands. The shells were all patched to log every command run to a central log file we could tail -f. He gave me the location and name of the other kid. We called that kids's phone number: Us: Get off my server. Kid: I don't know what you're talking about dude. Us: You are logged in as user blah from IP address blither. The last command you ran was blah blah blah. Kid: I'm off. The change from cocky to oh sh** was fun for us. Us: Go get your Dad. I think that one ended up in Juvie. It wasn't his first offence and his dad had promised to send him up the river the next time he did any hacking. We were the next time he got caught. Dad said he had been caught messing with NASA before. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320
Can you post what latency looks like when using 1400 byte packets at least 10 ever second? Thanks, - Matt On 12/16/2010 12:06 PM, David Sovereen wrote: The current firmware works very well. If you haven't done so already, upgrade to the latest firmware, as it resolves tons of RF link stability problems. If that's not your issue, please post details. We have PMP320 deployed and are happy with it. Dave On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Justin Wilsonli...@mtin.net wrote: My experience with the Moto 3.65 stuff is the firmware downright stinks. I know they are working on improvements and I have not re-visited this in the past months. Justin -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net Aol Yahoo IM: j2sw http://www.mtin.net/blog – xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw – Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting – Tower Climbing – Network Support From: Carl Shiverscshiv...@aristotle.net Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:28:06 -0600 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Motorola PMP 320 During a breakout session at the recent Wireless Without Limits conference, one of the attendees was touting that they are really impressed with the new Motorola 3.65 GHz system. We have recently installed this system and we are having some problems maintaining links. This attendee told stories about how he had to tweak his SM installations, but once he had a link, it was generally solid. I would like to conference with one of you who are having success with this system so as to better utilize our installation. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon Network Extender
I have customers in 2+ story stucco houses with tile roofs. They might as well be caves! On 12/16/2010 02:05 PM, Philip Dorr wrote: It requires GPS (which most people not in caves have) and about 60k connection both ways per conversation (up to 3 conversations). It creates an IPSEC VPN out to Verizon that the voice traffic goes over. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM, David E. Smithd...@mvn.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:28, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone using one of these? What are actual bandwidth requirements and usage? Are you referring to this? http://support.vzw.com/information/network_extender.html I've not used that one, but I've used a similar device from Sprint. For calls, the bandwidth used is negligible (40-50kbps). The Verizon one supports EVDO data (Sprint's Airave femtocell didn't, IIRC), so if the phone is being used for cellular data that will increase the usage somewhat. Since the device requires broadband anyway, if the phone has wi-fi, just use it instead of EVDO; you'll probably get better performance. I vaguely remember reading that all calls and data transactions from a femtocell like this have to be tunneled through the carrier's network for CALEA purposes, which would obviously add latency, but I don't have a cite for this statement. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
