Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying that big bag phone around. That has to be a lot of power on the ap side. ~V~ -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
On 04/05/2011 07:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles Don't disagree, but the real question is that once the network is load will that still be the case...probably not. Much like the first neighbor on the new cable feed proclaiming the next coming of the Internet only 6 months later lamenting about how his dial up was faster now that every neighborhood kid is on it with their Xboxes and PS3! As far as WISP being able to deliver these speeds, that is a function of spectrum (blame the FCC)...not the technology to do it. And again I want to see actual throughput test (FTP or IPERF) not some half-baked algorithm used by those speed test sites that are not all that reliable. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
+1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g.
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I just activated my Samsung LTE MiFi router and am getting 6-10 Mbps down and 5 Mbps up at the office. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Hi Tori, The Charter service sounds horrible down there. Send me your GPS cords and I'll check to see if we can get you a wireless link from our Bonne Terre tower;-) Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based technologies is to keep everyone transmitting at the lowest power possible. The more power a single user has to put out, the more power everyone has to put to out just to be heard. With CDMA, everything is based on the noise floor and the higher that floor becomes, the worse the system performs. That is why you don't want a user 5 miles away maintaining a link to a tower (in a typical urban or suburban morphology). His phone ramps up to maintain the link making the noise floor higher, the sector ramps up, then everyone else close in starts shouting just to get their code heard above the noise. Pretty soon, the whole sector becomes unstable and everyone drops. CDMA technologies also have the luxury of the rake receiver which essentially correlates received signals from several sectors at once to maintain communication with a device. All of this makes for a far superior technology than we have access to, and you have to have clean spectrum for this all to work so well...something we don't have. Cameron On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.comwrote: Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying that big bag phone around. That has to be a lot of power on the ap side. ~V~ -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC
Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform
Blair, I can help you with any Gmail questions you have. Give me a call anytime. Shaun Hoggan s...@ikano.commailto:s...@ikano.com 801-415-8113 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform We really would like to find someone who could do the Google move and give us that .35 pricing as well On 3/29/2011 10:56 AM, Mark Nash wrote: Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per account price you're getting? I haven't been able to track anyone down about it. Thanks. Mark On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches go away. No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail issues, no more hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail in an email server more often than a web server). No more people getting their password hacked and thousands of emails being sent out. No more IPs ending up in the SORBS/et. al databases. I tracked email maintenance time and materials for 6 months, and it was well worth the $.35 per email account we spent to let Google do it. It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al and select Google as their email provider and put in their login information. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netmailto:fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You can slice it any way you like... all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly how much time is spent by yourself or someone vs how much you have to pay for the service... for example. Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate and secure is a very inexpensive proposition. Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus filtering services is a very inexpensive proposition.. paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of storage and spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal... Unless you need somethings else that is not there... e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have 'outsourced' security updates on to a third party... and we pay a different third party for excellent Spam/Virus filtering... our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along with email even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great deal.. but we needed options which they don't offer. Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control panel... Your Mileage May Vary. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly, plus their profit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others. Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.commailto:lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform? We also offer hosting services that need email. To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP and POP3 server settings. Yuk. Also, depending how many email accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the thousands. I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally, I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and blocking spam effectively are much more costly. Regards, Cameron On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.commailto:mogoo...@gmx.com wrote: http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements that you requested. Frank On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server MailMax. Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating integrating a new box. The requirements are: webmail, web management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux. We would also like a calendar and address book module in webmail as well. Anyone have suggestions? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email server MailMax. Because of some support/productivity issues we are investigating integrating a new box. The requirements are: webmail, web management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux. We would also like a calendar and address book module in webmail as well. Anyone have suggestions? Thanks, Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 [snip] iRedMail (www.iredmail.org) Built using standard opensource packages like Spamassassin, Amavisd, ClamAV, Roundcube, etc. Not heavily modified so you can easily update the system using your package manager (I use CentOS, thus yum) without borking anything. Full disclosure, I'm only using this on a couple of personal domains, nothing business oriented, for the past two years or so. But I don't see why you cannot run it with little issues. There are a bunch of case studies on their site discussing users switching from whatever mail system to iRedmail. My only negative opinion was the author's decision to stop supporting Squirrelmail. I prefer Squirrelmail over Roundcube (loads faster). But I can live. Josh WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PING
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Re: [WISPA] PING
response in 385 ms. I'm on Verizon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: just checking WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Exactly why we need 1) Less spectrum to go to auctions, and more spectrum to go to unlicenced. 2) High power allowed in spectrum bands. 3) Manufacturters to raise their standard, to take advantage of latest radio and antenna technologies. Let me give you an example of what I mean.. Moto old product, 20Mhz, 14mb real (20mb) Moto new product (ofdm), 10Mhz 20mbps (35mb) in a lab, with noise maybe 10-15mbps (qam16). Why didn't they make a 20Mhz OFDM product, so that we could offer faster speeds, with their new product? Why didn;t they make a MIMO OFDM product, so we could use faster speeds, with their new products? Why didn;t they make a multiple diversity smart antenna model? Why haven't they made smart MIMO gear with modes above 16, such as to allow chain0 and chain1 to operate at different modulations? I'm not meaning to pick on Moto, they are a good company, I'm just using them as an easy example everyone could identify with. I know the answer why. Because they want to sell more radios, and not compete with their other product lines, not make us more efficent and competitive, so we need to buy fewer radios. My point is... the technology is out there. Whether manufacturers embrace it quick enough is another story. The demand is clearly there. If anything LTE is clearly creating harder competition for the private WISP industry. I dont think we'll ever get the signal into everyone's living room without antennas... Only licensed can operate at such a low sensitivity, because of low noise. (except for Whitespace users). But we surely could do better, if the technology was stepped up a couple notches. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:37 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
[WISPA] Colo DNS
I know this is a bit OT, but. I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time - we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. http://aws.amazon.com/route53/, perhaps ? Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
Rackspace has a pretty good deal and flexible for their cloud 'nix stuff. Not sure about Windows. Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Colo DNS I know this is a bit OT, but... I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time - we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
Are you looking for redundancy in DNS resolvers, or authoritative servers? -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
In the 2500.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about their reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be getting their act together. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
Thanks all. Reliability is a MUST. Have talked to Rackspace - so far they seem to have the best deal. Very reasonable for a Windows based Virtual server From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but. I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time - we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about their reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be getting their act together. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
.. Hmmm... Quick question... Have you considered taking up DNS hosting from the different Registrars ? Say ... TuCows ? you will have a full control panel access... and you can modify your records... plus no worries about redundancy etc. etc. ? If for other reasons you are looking for Virtual Server or DNS Hosting, we can provide that to you from our Servers (located in Miami or Atlanta). Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 6:08 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Thanks all. Reliability is a MUST. Have talked to Rackspace -- so far they seem to have the best deal. Very reasonable for a Windows based Virtual server *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Parr *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:40 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS On 5 April 2011 17:00, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com mailto:ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but... I'm looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time -- we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I'm looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! We use VPS.net for offsite servers. Can't say super good things about their reliability, but the flexibility is nice, and they seem to be getting their act together. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. http://buyvm.net/ http://www.joesdatacenter.com/ If you only have a few domains http://dns.he.net/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Colo DNS
DNSPark Pretty inexpensive and I have never had a issue with them. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@hensleycrew.com wrote: I know this is a bit OT, but… I’m looking for options for DNS redundancy. In a nutshell, we have two datacenters in two different cities. We need to have some redundancy for our publicly accessible servers. We do NOT want to do round-robin DNS, and auto-failover options are either not available or too costly at this time – we will make manual DNS changes as needed if our primary datacenter goes down. I’m looking for some place that I can offers either a virtual server, or that will do DNS hosting that is located in a highly redundant facility. Prefer something on clustered servers in a colo center, NOT in the Dallas metroplex. We want something totally independent of our two current data centers. Any recommendations? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I am looking for my email that had numbers but from what i remember (don't hold me to it) was 100 Meg. I will find the email to make sure. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
And most wimax is 3.5 or 7mhz channel unless you are talking the mobile wimax which has 10. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 7:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update LTE is 5 bits per hertz (ideal conditions), so on a 20MHz channel that would be 100Mbps. WiMax (fixed) is 3.5 bits per hertz. On 04/05/2011 07:13 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote: Higher throughput from what I understand. I have their wimax deployed now. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Gino Villarinig...@aeronetpr.com wrote: More importantly what axccelera expects to gain from doing lte? They are already doing wimax Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Mattlm7...@gmail.com wrote: I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. So how much throughput does the Axxcelera 3.65 CPE have etc? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Jeremie was talking about fixed WiMAX (802.16d). We see similar latencies on our fixed WiMAX systems. -- Blake Covarrubias On Apr 5, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
The Ericsson APs that Verizon uses cost ~$50k / tower plus antennas and cable -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I dont care what the CPE costs, I care about what the AP costs. The big dollar APs can be a big deterent to grow organically. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I know Axxcelera is planning LTE equipment in the 3.65 ghz band this year. It is cost effective to deploy to businesses in an Internet/VoIP setup but will not make it to the residential market at anything that will make money because the cpe's run in the 300.00 range. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: yes +1, but WISPs can only upgrade if there is a product to upgrade to. No one wants to upgrade without accomplishing enough compensation or gain to match the effort and cost. The industry has done a very good job at getting the price down on typical style WISP gear. But I'm not confident that the industry has done all it could to innovate and release state of the art radios at the same price as the old ones? Lets look at the PC industry and Intel CPUs... Each year the speed capability has exponentially increased. After one year a computer is considered outdated to the dark ages. In the Radio industry, I can use a radio I bought 10 years ago, and it performs almost as good as the neweest model, or no less than a 50% degregation. Comparing the radio industry to the PC industry, the radio industry's performance/innovation growth rate is light years behind the PC industry. The radio industry is still caught up on being proud of what they can accomplish in a lab. But they are not working hard enough to deliver for real world competitive and technical challenges. A perfect example is MIMO. The fact is... Noise will always exist and always be unpredictable. MIMO has been a reality for two years now. Everyone is happy with basic mode 1-16 MIMO. But in the real world its common for one polarity to have more noise than the 90deg different polarity. Why run both chains at the lower modulation of the noisiest channel, compromising the overall speed? Just that problem alone, if solved, would yield a 30% increase in throughput out n the real world, to bring real world deployments closer to lab capabilty. MIMO modes above 16, were in the spec for years. Why aren't they being developed? Are we all going to have to buy LTE chipsets radios and modify them for unlciensed to be competitive? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +1 very well said.. to the point !... Innovate / Upgrade to keep up with the demand or become obsolete and irrelevant. ! --- The WISP's themselves will need to keep business plans that take advantage of emerging technologies and allow themselves to remain continually competitive. This means factoring in an aggressive upgrade and replacement path which will allow for market adaptability. This will also need to include marketing methodologies to keep their image up and to show that there is not stagnation with the company and its offerings. --- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/5/2011 9:04 AM, Brian Webster wrote: I have always said the cellular carriers have the over the air interface to deliver good speeds for the most part. It's their backhaul network that needs work and they are slowly and steadily upgrading that. While most are bashing them, they eventually will have upgraded the sites to remain competitive. They are far from perfect but once they finally have true Ethernet transport to every site, their performance will improve a lot over all digital modes they offer. They are and will continue to be a player in the broadband world. Best for WISP's to keep an eye on what they are doing and keep the pace with the overall broadband market changes. Fortunately it seems that the fixed wireless technology has kept the pace and/or exceeded other technologies. The WISP's themselves will need to keep
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
There is no fixed lte protocol.. Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I would expect LTE latency to be close to wimax because of scheduling. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: LTE latency is about 60-100 ms -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Yes, wimax latencies on d and e systems are documented, im talking about LTE latency Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Wimax. Not mobile. Mobile has higher latency times. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Wimax or LTE? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Depending on your cp ratio that will determine latency (atleast on mine). Lower cp ratio gives lower latency numbers. We typically see 20ms. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: That's air rate, actual throughput its about 60%... LTE Latency? IIRC it was in the 100 ms? I can't comment on LTE, but we're doing a trial of mobile WiMAX and seeing about 50-60ms back to the ASN gateway. -- Blake Covarrubias WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] PING
Better than being on meth ;) On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: response in 385 ms. I'm on Verizon. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: just checking WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.netmailto:t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.commailto:c...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.itmailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
You can always upgrade More! The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it and make some Money. There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products differently for a different Target Market). or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more. So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick Travis If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and Metro Ethernet's like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible conclusion . We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since we are leaving a LOT on the Table.. now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground. Some Food For Thought.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote: +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com mailto:c...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
Thats what I thought which is why I spent so much time and money on upgrading. I've got 30-50 megs at nearly every tower and I started offering 10Mbps posted rates. I even lowered the upgrade prices above 3Mbps. Very few care and even fewer take it. In fact, I have some that ask if we have a slower plan! I'm starting to be concerned that dial-up is good enough! On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: For now. I doubt that you will be able to sustain that 90% with 1.5 or 3.0 indefinitely. I know we won't. - Jerry *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *RickG *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2011 9:08 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralListwireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is totally different ;) Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network interface when the test is running... Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla Speedtest.net test are bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test algorithms. On 04/01/2011 11:05 PM, Charles Wu wrote: Just got my HTC Thunderbolt, and Ookla tested 20 Mb down, 24 Mb up at Speedtest.Net to my handset -Charles WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
We dont have lines forming but we get as many customers are I want/need. Sure, I could get lots more if I wanted but it's just more to worry about. As far as Telco's, my ATT contacts says High Cap sales are virtually nill around here. My Time Warner Rep says the same. On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: You can always upgrade More! The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it and make some Money. There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products differently for a different Target Market). or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more. So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick Travis If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling T1' s and Metro Ethernet's like hot cakes.. then there is only one possible conclusion . We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since we are leaving a LOT on the Table.. now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground. Some Food For Thought.. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote: +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps! On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all comes down to price. I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;) Travis Microserv On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote: It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower) -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky. I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a big file via FTP or whatever. It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless router on phone http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector all to yourself. I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without the big antenna outside. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wuc...@cticonnect.com To:paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA GeneralList wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW most of the test are half duplex tests. In few words, they do one direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download, then the customer upload). Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you have 10Mb in one direction and
