Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet5-HP
We are doing close to 70meg TCP with MTs. All depends on the links.. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Robert West wrote: Has anyone got their hands on the 1 watt Bullet5-HP yet? Is it all hype? I'm tempted to buy a couple at 89 bucks per, that is if anyone had some in stock. I have 2 backhauls to install in the next couple of weeks and normally go with a Mikrotik board with a XR5 card. If the specs are right, I could possibly do it at half the cost. Any thoughts??? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's also... Butche Evans CTI Streakwave Brian Josh Luthman wrote: IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER: Roc Noc Quicklink Wireless Pasadena Networks WISP Router Titan Wireless TenX Networks Done business with them all and I am happy. On 7/20/09, Mike mailto:m...@aweiowa.com m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Looking for a good MT vendor. The fellow I've been trying to work with has gone AWOL. I need to get a link going for a community project pretty quickly. Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Candidate Replies Requested
First, I would like to thank everyone for the support they have shown me as well as the great relationships I have made as a board and committee member with WISPA. I am sure I can continue to serve the WISP community with WISPA, and I do look forward to doing so! There are some questions that were posted to the candidates, and with the election looming, I wanted to make sure I addressed those! Since some of you do not know me, I wished to give you some background. */Dennis Burgess Bio/* Dennis Burgess has been in the service provider business since 1992 when he started his first BBS. This system grew to one of the larger BBS systems in the St. Louis area. After testing out of several classes in college he graduated from Vatterott Technical College in 1997, 5 months early. He obtained a Associates in Computer Electronics and another in Networking Technologies from Vatterott. Mr. Burgess was hired before graduation by a local IT Consulting company. During the next few years Dennis worked for large construction firms, law offices, and other manufacturing businesses in and around Missouri and Illinois under several Consulting firms. Typically he worked as a Network Administrator, Network Engineer and/or Project Engineer. Typical projects were rolling out large shared server systems, clustered mail and terminal servers, as well a complete network router/engineering support for many clients.Dennis also worked for a group of Harley-Davidson Dealerships that had very minimal networking between their locations to a full business-grade network including centralized management, support services and programmers on-staff as the Director of Information Technologies.Mr. Burgess then started his own Wireless ISP service in the Festus and Hillsboro, MO area, that serviced the under serviced areas with high-speed internet access. This Wireless ISP was sold and later merged with other businesses. While running his WISP, Dennis also created a new company, Link Technologies, Inc. Link Technologies, Inc serves hundreds of Wireless and Non-Wireless Internet Service Providers around the USA, Canada, South America, Austria la, Europe and even Africa. Link Technologies, Inc is a full service Mikrotik and routing support company that focuses on Mikrotik RouterOS as well as any other internet routing systems that their customers have a need for. LTI also has deployed and worked with companies such as CenturyTel, The US Navy, The Department of Homeland Security, and other large Internet providers around the USA. Most of the work focuses on network design, network engineering, project management, network deployment and RF Engineering. These include RF Path Analysis, Site Surveys and major network build-outs. *What do you see as the top 3 priority items that need to be addressed by WISPA? * First and foremost, we need to ensure a high quality organization. To do this, we will need a dedicated person to the WISPA organization handing calls, ,managing memberships, as well as actively recruiting new members! This is the future of WISPA, as it has been with many other organizations! This will give WISPA the direction that it needs to go into the future by better maintaining WISPAs relationship with its most important asset, its members! Increasing membership is another goal! To hire dedicated personnel, move froward with FCC and other hot topics that WISPs need to have a hand in costs! Raising dues could be used to create more income, however, being able to represent the majority of WISPs in the US would be a much better goal. Not only would we have increased revenue from increased membership, but also the increased membership would be a significant resource for both existing and future members as well. It would be nice to be able to say that WISPA represents 90+% of the known WISPS in the USA! Increasing that membership is good, but what will get those members to join! Value! We already have a very low cost of joining, however, that alone is not enough. We need to have resources! These resources are part of what the WISPA.ORG website as well as the new WIKI site is all about. Members will have access to more resources in the future and by us developing those resources, we will ensure that new members get the value they need out of WISPA to join! *What the the greatest hurdles faced by the WISPA industry in the short term? In the long Term? *Growing pains! The next board will place many new seeds with the way WISPA operates. WISPA operates as a completely volunteer organization right now, and in the future it will be able to better attend to its members by having the dedicated staff that the organization needs. This growth shows the change from a cowboy attitude to a more professional organization with dedicated staff and member resources. *There has been a great deal of debate about the dues structure -- what do you
[WISPA] On-line Chat
Just wished to tell everyone that I will be on-line for the next hour or two, maybe more in the WISPA chat page.Anyone wish to join me? http://www.wispa.org/wispa-chat/ I also would like to make sure I tell everyone that I will be on-line as well tomorrow around 9:30 AM CST as well if their are any questions that pertains to the upcoming elections! -- * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 333 vs 433
Also note that 333s are going by the wayside too. The 400 series is really the main workhorse right now. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Kevin Neal wrote: http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008pps.pdf Well, pps wise, it looks like the 433 is around 80kpps and the 433 ah is around 140kpps. Best performance pps that the 333 can do is 80kpps. -Kevin On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Kevin's link http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/tests_jan_2008mbps.pdf says the 333 dominates over the 532 (per MikroTik's testing) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: Thanks for all the comments... I have RB 112,133,230,333,411,433,532 in service. I've lost two 532's to on board power supply failure, one 532 to a direct lighting strike. I've lost one 112 to Ethernet port failure, and a 133 to unknown causes My 333's, 411's and 433's have been flawless. I'm mainly looking for pps differences between the 333 and 433. Josh Luthman wrote: Well the boot times of the 532 are superior to any other routerboard I've used. Don't know how that reflects on it's performance in PPS as it could simply be a faster storage device. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net ke...@safelink.net wrote: We have the 333 deployed in a bunch of situations, they work pretty well for us, but, for the price go for the 433. 532's were ok, they're old style now and don't have the near the performance of the 3xx or 4xx boards. -Kevin On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Scott Reedscottr...@onlyinternet.net scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: No hard data, but I have replaced 532 and 532A with 333 and seen better link performance. I have replaced 333 with 433 and seen no real difference. Replacing 333 with 433AH probably does, but I really don't have any evidence. Blair Davis wrote: anybody got any real world experience of the performance difference between the RB 333 vs the RB 433? The 333 has a 333MHz PowerPC and the 433 has a Atheros AR7130 300MHz...But which is faster in the real world? How about the RB 532A with the MIPS 32 4kc at 266MHz? Hard to compare different CPU's by clock speed. Blair WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.8/2224 - Release Date: 07/08/09 05:53:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone
Drop in a ATA and plug it into a cheap cordless phone :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Gino Villarini wrote: Got a Customer that needs a Cordless VOIP phone for itd retail stores, any recommendations? DECT 6 Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Ahh, are you distributing connected routes? If not, then until something connects, won't do anything :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Nothing associated on the Virtual. The propagation was back out via the wire interface. I would not think it should matter if anything is connected. The interface is active, it has an address. That address range should be propagated by OSPF. I will be at the site tomorrow. I will connect to the VirtualAP and see if that matters. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF on RouterOS Vritual AP
Is something connected to the VAP? Why would it send if its on the physical unless the other end is connected to the physical ap vs the vap. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: Yep, that is what I said in the original post. Put the IP on the VirtualAP and no route prorogation. Put it on the physical and it propagates. So the question is, why does the route not propagate from the VirtualAP? And is that corrected in v3.x? I assumed the VirtualAP was just like any other interface, put maybe not. I may try putting it in a bridge and addressing the bridge to see what happens. Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net wrote: A virtual AP is another interface, so unless its bridged with something else, it will have to have an IP to communicate! * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Scott Reed wrote: I have tried to setup OSPF on a Virtual AP in 2.9.49. I have not found a way to get it to forward the route. As soon as I put the address on the physical interface, the route propagates. Any one know if this can be made to work? If I upgrade to 3.23 or higher will it work? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.1/2212 - Release Date: 07/01/09 05:53:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router
Nope, can do dynamic in 4 :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Josh Luthman wrote: Like 2? RBs comes with 3 or 4. The 450 includes the license you need for STATIC routing. Dynamic routing needs 4 I believe. On 6/26/09, Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net wrote: So what level license will I need just to do routing? Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router I've been putting in the 9 port (yeah I know it's more than you want but that gives you more power and memory) MT units. They are AMAZING. So far. marlon - Original Message - From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] dual ethernte port router Anyone have a suggestion for a dual ethernet port router, that can handle 30-50mb/s of traffic. I do not need it to do nat or anything like that, just need it to route..I have looked at a cisco 2811..but know there are other options..Thanks for any help. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall
Agreed. MT is a high quality product, and looks nice in a rack. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Josh Luthman wrote: Typically if you're protecting it versus someone who knows what they're doing it's the software that's open (pop/imap/smtp/web/etc) that becomes the vulnerability, not the network. If it were me, I would use MikroTik. If there is a break I can troubleshoot it 100x faster and easier with MT then anything else. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Patrick D.. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Yes, I use mikrotik for end user protection and routing but I'm not sure that will fit the bill here. I think I may need more of a corporate type solution. I've used Watchguard and cisco products in the past but I thought maybe I could save some $$ and go with a linux homebrew -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall Maybe you could provide more detail as to your application. In most situations I agree with Gino, MikroTik. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Mikrotik Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D.. Nix, Jr Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:30 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Suggestions on Firewall Any suggestions on a good linux firewall distro. I'm looking at either implementing this or going with an older Cisco PIX 525. Which would be the best way to go? Something with a nice GUI would be good Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Mesh Network
Can do everything on this, but the cost. Looks like around $515 in single unit pricing. Shoot me a call if you have questions. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Jerry Richardson wrote: I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts however that's a support nightmare waiting to happen. If you could have a Mesh Radio designed the way you want, what would it look like? My wish would look something like this: - Dual radio - Client access on 802.11b/g (optional 4.9 model for Public Safety) - Mesh on 802.11a (open-mesh?) with DFS on 5.2/5.4 - Automatic scan for best channel - Multi-SSID (up to 16 SSID/VLAN sets) - BW allocation per SSID - QoS per VLAN - Encryption - Client Isolation - SNMP v1, v2 - Ping watchdog - Push/Pull config - NAT/DHCP to clients (running as router) - 10/100 Ethernet - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a roll-your-own) - Browser Configurable - POE - Tech support from a manufacturer (not third party support/forums/mail lists) - FCC certified as a system - Cost 350.00 Let me know what you would like to see as I am working with a manufacturer to develop this or something very close to it. airCloud Communications /Broadband for Business/ /Public and Private WiFi/ // Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ *ConsuWISP* /RF Topographical Coverage Maps/ /Network Optimization and Planning/ /Network Design and Troubleshooting/ /Installer and Technician Training/ // http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mesh Network
What I quoted :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/* The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Charles Wyble wrote: Jerry Richardson wrote: I believe there is still a market for municipal public wifi. I am finding the barrier is the cost of the radios at $1k ea minimum for a true mesh type dual radio system. Anything lower is cost is not true Mesh. Yes, I could put something together using pieces and parts however that's a support nightmare waiting to happen. If you could have a Mesh Radio designed the way you want, what would it look like? My wish would look something like this: - Dual radio - Client access on 802.11b/g (optional 4.9 model for Public Safety) - Mesh on 802.11a (open-mesh?) with DFS on 5.2/5.4 Yep. For me it would be 802.11n for backbone/mesh and client access on 802.11b/g - Automatic scan for best channel - Multi-SSID (up to 16 SSID/VLAN sets) - BW allocation per SSID - QoS per VLAN - Encryption - Client Isolation - SNMP v1, v2 DD-WRT or OpenWRT can give you this. - Ping watchdog Not sure what this is? A script that runs on the router and reboots if it can't ping? - Push/Pull config The PTP guys did something for this with openwrt http://www.stephouse.net/files/openwrtprovisioner/openwrtprovisioner.v0.1.tgz - NAT/DHCP to clients (running as router) - 10/100 Ethernet - Outdoor, ready to hang (not a roll-your-own) - Browser Configurable - POE - Tech support from a manufacturer (not third party support/forums/mail lists) So it would seem UBNT gear with an OpenWRT load would do most of what you want? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas
We have some dual-pol integrated units. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Tom DeReggi wrote: Acutally the Dual Pol brand is Poynting, and back enclosure is included. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas You won't find dual pol smaller than 2' If you do I would like to see it -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:42:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards). I'm thinking about looking for some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as they're monstrous). I'll probably end up using the Compex wlm54ag at 5ghz cards and a 433ah. There will be voice and video traffic across this link, which is why I'd prefer to do fdx. Can anyone suggest a better alternative? Anyone know of some good antennas for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Indoor fdx link antennas
Yep.. Dual r52N cards in a Dual-Pol Arc Enclosure. We can build, test and even put a base configuration on it for you if you wish. Just plug them in and aim them at each other :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to use MikroTik to create a fdx link that's going across a stadium (that's a bit more then 100 yards). I'm thinking about looking for some small dual pol antennas best case or the ARC ones worst case (as they're monstrous). I'll probably end up using the Compex wlm54ag at 5ghz cards and a 433ah. There will be voice and video traffic across this link, which is why I'd prefer to do fdx. Can anyone suggest a better alternative? Anyone know of some good antennas for this? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How many switches can do RSTP?
Routed is the way to go. Think of this, the internet is routed, why should you not be.. I support hundreds of networks running RouterOS most with dynamic routing, with very little issues. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: just coming back to the original topic: is everybody using routed backbone or somebody is playing with the switched/mpls thing? :) Thank you Dear All I am wondering how many switches can be put together in a bridged environment (via radio-bridges) with the Rapid STP. Just curious because I did not find anywhere the maximum number and wondering if the backbone collapse after 10 or 100 or 1000 switches. Also wondering what do you advice, I know that not all the switches are the same... (thinking about HP for this application) Thank you in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
With MT clients, yes this is possible. If you have a simple subnet you can do PCQ as well in in your queues if you wish too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping?
then down yes, up no. The Nanos, you can use pCQ to do a default rate limit. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Cameron Kilton wrote: We are using MT AP's with Nanostation SU. -Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? If you are using Mikrotik for both AP's and CPE's, you can use the Default AP/Client Tx Rate settings under the wireless tab on your wireless interface properties. If you're not using Mikrotik clients it will only be able to control the AP Tx(client download) speeds. If you add the customers to the access list you can override these default settings. -Gerard Cameron Kilton wrote: Is there a way to limit the bandwidth by the user registration table. Example: All users in registration table get x download and x upload unless other changed manually. Is this possible? I've been wanting something like this as well. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:35 PM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Really Simple Mikrotik shaping? Or radius and a pppoe client. On 1/19/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can use Radius and MAC authencation to deliver up and down bw at the AP/CPE ... Need to have a MT client though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: A lot of the more expensive radios out there let you do bandwidth throttling by device - instead of throttling by IP address, or device MAC (because you could have several MACs behind one radio), you simply say this radio gets X down/Y up and you're done. Is there a simple way to do this with Mikrotik RouterOS? I know you can shape by IP address, and I suppose I could get fancy with packet marks or something, but I'm trying to keep the configuration as simple as possible. (If it's something that also can be set via RADIUS, that'd be even better, as I hope someday to be able to automate more things like this.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble
Speaking of mail servers, anyone have any luck getting imap push technology to work? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA.ORG Vender Member* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* e...@wisp-router.com wrote: There is a tool in the imail folder I be damned if I recall the name of it but it is to convert from old mailbox format to new format. It might do the trick. Unfortunately I'm driving so can check for you. I found out about it when I converted from Imail to SmarterMail. Which btw might be a product you might want to check out. To purchase it is almost cheaper then your yearly Imail maintenance agreement plus much better feature and have a webmail system that allow users to control to some degree their own spam settings and have good enterprise capabilities including blackberry calendar and contacts sync and easy shared contacts and calendar. Imail webmail does NOT handle mailboxes with some special characters that you might have created through imap. When you log in it just sits there until it finally times out. We been plagued by this for a long time and they never fixed it. Also SmarterMail comes at no additional charge with good/better spam filtering and virus screening and you can use a Linux box with spamassassin to assist with spam filtering. If you can not find the tool then check on smartermail how to convert from Imail to SmarterMail it's in the instructions. /Eje --Original Message-- From: John Scrivner Sender: To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Imail Server Upgrade Trouble Sent: Jan 18, 2009 11:52 We upgraded our Imail server this morning from version 8.15 to the latest release of Imail version 10. In the process our web interface has decided to ignore our mailboxes. If anyone out there has some experience with troubleshooting mailbox rebuilding issues in Imail then please call me at 618-237-2387 as soon as you read this. Your help is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Filtering SMTP
If you wish all of your mail to come from that. We typically just restrict outbound SMTP to either pop/imap first, or an open list. But of course, they need to have their own IP to not poison yours. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA.ORG Vender Member* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Gino Villarini wrote: ok, We use a Barracuda in Outbound mode as an SMTP server, would it be logical to NAT all our internal traffic with destination 25 to the Barracuda? Would this break any Business Customer with static ips and valid smtp servers? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 3.65 Experience?
We have done some MT 3.75 links :) Sorry no ligowave. Simply put its better than 5 gig if there is lots of interference, but no better than 2.4 when it comes to LoS. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA.ORG Vender Member* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Gino Villarini wrote: Anyone has deployed this units? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com
I don't outsource this, but I do host it on the Virtual servers we sell. The key is we can log into the server and do whatever, including getting messages like this etc. e-mail is cheap, its simple to support and just runs for the most part. Its that stupid hardware problem that kills ya! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: That would most likely only retrieve items in the Inbox. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jay Clark li...@s135365950.onlinehome.us Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:38 AM To: dmburg...@linktechs.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com Is it possible to log into the same account using POP settings and retrieve the mail that way? Jay On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: I have a number of customers that switched from them because of this reason. Just no one there. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Anyone have a good contact at 1and1.com of someone who can actually help me. I moved 125 very important messages in my imap account from one folder to another and their mail server ate them. They tell me they can't help because I use thunderbird.there has to be a backup to that imap account somewhere. I just need to get a hold of someone who will help me. Thanks, Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
second this!! :) So far seeing good results as well with the new R5Hs and N-Stream too ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Blair Davis wrote: A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. MT is a router, why bridge! :) never really needed to do WDS with N-stream etc. Its also a polling system and you can disable CSMA as well. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: Yes, Nstreme can add significant speed, depending on the situation, It should be noted that... 1. Nstreme performs slower if the Radios do not have fast enough processors. For example, we found the old RB532s 233Mhz, NOT fast enough proc. 2. Nstreme works great (fast) on the newer faster boards, such as 433AH and 600Series. 3. Nstreme is not compatible to be used for all configurations. I forget the exact details, but when we were trying to use WDS and VLANs, to immulate a transparent bridge (VLAN switch) in a PTMP design (to connect a group of 4 tenant buildings, 1 acting as AP, and 3 acting as Stations), Nstreme had to be disabled, for it to work. That was pre-2.29 version. I do not know, how it is now with v3.x 4. Nstreme2 is its way to use two channels togeather. Which works optimal provided have adequate channel seperation ( 80mhz). Its good alternative to do it in multi-band, when a single 40mhz wide channel is not available. 5. It requires access to both sides of the link to configure for NStreme. But I bet Dennis, would have all the answers of how to optimize usage of Nstreme. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
With that inside like that, you can get reflections etc. It does the compression and M3P I'm sure as well. It should not incraase the latency that much and should not fluctuate like that normally. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
yep, anything more than -40 is BAD. better tests are around -55 or so.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Jack Unger wrote: David, Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas... jack David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM radio station site strangeness
We had a site with a 1000 watt AM Hotstick about 100 feet from another tower. We ran the cable (non-shielded outdoor rated) and crimped the end at the top of the tower. The installer all of a sudden, felt a burning sensation on his thumb with that wonderful smell of burning skin. Guess what, he was holding the end of the cat5, not plugged into anything, just ran up the tower! Sure enough, nice little burn marks right where the copper pins on the cat5 was! Put in a few ferrite beads, never looked back. fun stuff to say the least. ON a side note, we are at 400 foot on a 1400 foot FM tower transmitting at 100,000 watts at the top. We ran Power up, but have a 440 foot non-poe cat5 down, and don't have any issues! lol -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I think we finally have this all figured out. Now I just have to figure out how to fix it. We've been up there for over 6 years now. It's certainly been a problematic site though. Constant channel changes (we have 3 competitors a mile away and pick up hundreds of ap's from in town) are the norm. This fall (a month or two ago) one of the tenants left the building. This cleared out most of the hardware that was in there. A little bit before that I replaced an Inscape Data and a smartBridges combo with a single MT access point, using one of the cables that had been working for one of the other two. About a week ago things started to really act up. Multiple devices were having trouble. I was able to catch it in the act finally. This time the problem wasn't a wireless issue, the devices were constantly disconnecting and reconnecting at the switch level. I pulled the Cisco switch out and dropped in a Netgear unit. That didn't fix it. Next I put in a Digital Loggers rack mount reboot device. That wouldn't connect right either. I finally had to pull all of the hardware off of the shelf and set most of it on the floor (or just let it hang there) to get it working at all well. Still not perfect but better. I had by now hiked up there through sometimes knee deep snow 3 or 4 times. Next I took a motorbike with studded snow tires up and got permission to turn down the power to the radio station. That didn't fix the problem either. Next I borrowed a snowmobile and hauled some help and my spectrum analyzer up. I was unable to see any signals that didn't belong. Next day, another hike up the hill. OK, maybe a cat 5 cable went bad and I'm getting backfeed through the switch. DC current or something. So I started testing the cables that run to the most problematic units. Well now, look at that. Bad cable. In fact there are three of them. Hmmm, kinda strange though. All three have the exact same fault! Oh well, better change them out anyway. I ran three new cable runs and just for kicks I tested one of them. What the heck? The new cable has the EXACT same fault as the old one! Even though it didn't follow the exact same path as the old cables. Man, this is sure looking like a problem caused by the radio station. I was using indoor cat5 and didn't run lightning protection or ground anything. Yeah I know, but remember that this has been there for a very long time like this. And as a guy with an electrical background I know that there are actually two ways to deal with stray electrical. Grounding is one. Insulating is another Anyway, I know it wasn't built to specs. I added some grounding and that didn't help at all. Yesterday I finally had one of the local wireless companies (Day Wireless) that mainly does VHF radios, backhaul etc. They also checked things with the spectrum analyzer but couldn't find anything amiss. I was able to duplicate the wiring fault for them (with my Ideal tester). But suddenly everything cleared right up! Stuff was looking good, no cable fault etc. Pings were looking good, devices were finally negotiating the connections right etc. I called the radio station to ask if I could try turning the power down again to see if we see any change on the spectrum analyzer. They said they thought that I'd already done that because the showed the power was way down. Turns out someone in the building had bumped a breaker and shut down part of the transmitter! Well, we got all of that figured out and guess what. All of the problems came right back! I then turned the power back down and they cleared up. Tip for you guys, dropping an 18,000 watt system down by even 60% of it's normal output isn't always
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
Not to say thats not right. The whole point of the Darwin awards was that the people who died have died in the most stupidest way, that they did the entire human population a favor by eliminating themselves from the gene pool. There is a movie even on it.Like the guy who strapped a Jato Rocket to his Chevy, the guy who was so cheap, he got his hand stuck in the soda machine and while trying to free it, it feel over on him. ETC. Its on netflix instant streaming. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* George Rogato wrote: Very sad indeed. I don't think they should be giving awards away for incidents when people die at work. Even if the person made a mistake like that. It was not funny to me at all. But some have a weird sense of humor. Me, I see no humor in a death or falling off a tower Blair Davis wrote: Tower accident... http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-20.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
Something else you can do is use a printing co. There should be one local to you. They should be able to print, stuff and qualify for bulk rates. Something else we did, we had 220 people in my subdivision, it was 92 bucks for postage, plus envelopes, plus printing, plus paper etc. (non-profit subdivision here). We had a printer sent out cards with the yearly dues on them, for less than 15 cents a piece including printing, postage and cards! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
just 2.4 on the crossroads. They have 5.8 gig systems that are certified. Just not 5.2/5.4 as of yet. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Dimitrios Sidiropoulos wrote: Josh, Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT? Dennis - I already beat you to the punch. Don't steal my glory :) The crossroads is FCC certified. Is there a 5.2/5.4 crossroads ? I am only aware of the 2.4 one ! Thank you Dimitri On 12/31/08, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear Mikrotik! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Alan Long wrote: I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be able to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles. Trying to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz= Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=33427599 98E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3360 92E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_jo ini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
Might be simpler to say, a Routerboard 411, with an integrated radio card that does 2.4 only. Fully FCC certified. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* John Scrivner wrote: What is the crossroads radio platform? I have never heard of it. Any link to information about it is appreciated. Thank you, John Scrivner On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Dennis - I already beat you to the punch. Don't steal my glory :) The crossroads is FCC certified. On 12/31/08, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Are there FCC certificed cards to run at 5.2/5.4 with MT? __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear Mikrotik! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Alan Long wrote: I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be able to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles. Trying to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz= Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=33427599 98E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3360 92E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_jo ini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] ptmp gear
Mikrotik! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Alan Long wrote: I am looking for a ptmp(ap/cpe) solution, 5.2/5.4/5.8 ghz, need to be able to support about 25 feeds into several ap's. Need it to be cheap, but work..Will have complete los and the longest link will be .25 miles. Trying to link 25 buildings in a multi housing setup. Thanks for any help. http://www.aerowire.net Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=687+North+Dean+Roadcsz=Aubu rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 mailto:alan.l...@aerowire.net alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=3342759998E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?lang=ensrc=jj_signatureTo=336092E mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30065206883src=client_sig_212_1_card_joini nvite=1=en Always have my latest info http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig=en Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help
Did you setup the port you are on, to the right VLAN, or configure your NIC on your laptop for that VLAN? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I need some help getting an ip address onto a Catalyst 2950 switch. I have the ip assigned to a vlan port but can't get to it via my laptop Give me a call at 509.982.2181 or shoot me a number that I can call please. Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help
No biggy. Shoot us a call anytime! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks Dennis! You are my hero! marlon - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] cisco switch help Did you setup the port you are on, to the right VLAN, or configure your NIC on your laptop for that VLAN? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I need some help getting an ip address onto a Catalyst 2950 switch. I have the ip assigned to a vlan port but can't get to it via my laptop Give me a call at 509.982.2181 or shoot me a number that I can call please. Thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?
looks like it fell off! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: Sure the venue hasn't changed to a RC Airplane race track :-) Looks like it got hit by a minature 747. :-) Only answer I could fathom is Vandalism. Most likely, the first outage may not have occurred at the time of first dmaage. Very possible, it was a night vandal, and it just took a while for the wind to finish the job, to the exposed radio. Alternatively, a low flying Crow having a head on colission. Any feathers at the seen, as evidence :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna? http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56132l=8ad46id=517748044 I'll post a couple more pictures once I get them from the customer, but I went over to look at their CPE today because their service was down. It looks like someone ran it over with a Mack truck, only it is on a roof of a large building (used to be indoor RC race track). How the heck could this have happened? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 12/28/2008 2:23 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna?
too bad its not grounding the unit. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mac Dearman wrote: Mike, Looks like that thing gave birth to an alien!! - hehehe (been watching SciFi) Where do you get those little plastic standoffs that hold your MB off the aluminum backing plate? That looks nice! Later, Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] What happened to my RooTenna? http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=56132l=8ad46id=517748044 I'll post a couple more pictures once I get them from the customer, but I went over to look at their CPE today because their service was down. It looks like someone ran it over with a Mack truck, only it is on a roof of a large building (used to be indoor RC race track). How the heck could this have happened? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 12/29/2008 10:48 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] This thing still working?
-- -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site?
Might be a difference of reading the RFCs. I.e. the RFCs are not clear enough as two people may be able to form their own interpretation too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: I'm not sure that it was confirmed a Tranzeo issue. Tranzeo was however very helpful to define the cause. And Mikrotik did fix the problem. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner j...@scrivner.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:29 AM Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo Disconnects was: tranzeo's web site? Mikrotik sent out a very public announcement that they had fully researched the issues with Tranzeo client radios staying connected to Mikrotik APs. As a courtesy to their customers who use Tranzeo clients Mikrotik wrote a code modification into their AP code which could be used to enable more reliable connections with Trnazeo radios. Mikrotik stated that the trouble was that Tranzeo radios were not following the RFCs. Tranzeo would apparently not address the issue. The fact that Mikrotik did create a solution to an apparent Tranzeo problem should not lead anyone to assume that this was a Mikrotik problem at all. I never saw any piblic response from Tranzeo relating to this issue. Scriv On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Thanks for clarifying that. I have read time and time again the devices would reboot (power cycle, not just reassociate!) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: But they didn't reboot. It was simply a disconnect reconnect. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Tranzeo followed the RFC by rebooting with whatever frame it was sent, as I recall. On 12/24/08, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: As it was explained to me, the problem was the exact opposite of what you've stated. Tranzeo did something that's NON standards based and MT finally created a work around. Who knows... Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] tranzeo's web site? Marlon, I thought the Tranzeo/MT problem was a Mikrotik issue, fixed by their update. (Tranzeo did a work-around, but it wasn't their bug) Or is there some other problem? Oh, www.tranzeo.com is working for me, now. And Merry Christmas to you, too! On Dec 21, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Glad it's not just me! grin Nothing particular right now. I was just checking for any new versions. Well, I guess I would sure like a fix for the Tranzeo/MT problem. Not the MT patch, but a proper fix from Tranzeo. And for Christmas I want a firmware for the Tranzeo AP's that doesn't lock up! Merry Christmas all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Potential Dr.'s office asking about our network and HIPAA?
Create a tunnel back to your NOC. done! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* John McDowell wrote: We are routed, but from any computer on the network, we can go to any IP on the network. So its like our broadcast is routed, but we're still bridged? Anyhow, I have a potential Dr.'s office that is asking about the security of his information across our network until it leaves the NOC. How do you guys do network security? Vlans? PPPoE? What can we do to ensure that we can comply with HIPAA standards for potential clients like this? Thanks in advance. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wholesale bandwidth
I.e. you want bandwidth out of st. louis? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mark McElvy wrote: I am looking for wholesale bandwidth providers to either St Louis or Rolla Missouri. Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] processor and computers, what's good these days? was -- Re: Article
I built some machines, AMD 5000+ Black Editions, 4 gig RAM, Vista, 500 gig SATAs, DVD drives, nice cases, HD 3500 512meg PCI-E Video Carts and DUAL DVI 22inch LCDs. So far, I don't wait for them! Was inexpensive for the box too. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Got it. So what are the medium to good ones to watch for? I used to really like AMD but I'm hearing that they suck. At least that's what one thought over on the isp-ceo list. We used to tell people to get Gateway systems. Then we went Micron, then Micro Flex, now Dell. Once in a while I'd build one for myself, but who wants to deal with warranty work when PC's aren't your core business? Service is usually the main thing that I look at when suggesting a PC to someone. *I* don't want to be the one that has to help them with all of the questions that come up. What are you guys suggesting and using these days? thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article Different architectures, multiple processor cores per processor. One processor of today can literally do the work of 4 as they have 4 little processors inside one physical processor. Kind of like how channel size isn't a very good measurement of how much data you can push through it. There are many other factors at play. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Is there a central resource for this type of information? -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mike Hammett wrote: Comcast, Global Crossing, Level(3), Electric Lightwave, and 360 Networks have POPs in your town. I might look more later, but I figure that's a good place to start. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm having a heck of a time finding providers in my area (Eugene, OR) from which I can backhaul to my network. Anyone know of a good site or have contacts for people who could quote in my area? We're looking for 30-40 megs at this point, but if we COULD get these 100meg ports at a reasonable rate, we'd go for it. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information There deals clear down to $7/meg. Ask vendors for a 2 year contract, GigE 100 Mbps burstable. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information http://www.nefiber.com/ Recently, I learned that American Fiber Systems has InterCity Fiber Ring that connects Las Vegas, Reno/Carson City, Boise and Salt Lake on a fully redundant OC-192 capacity backbone. They aren't cheap on the low end at $2000/month for 5 meg burstable to 10, but I image the price per meg drops quickly as the bandwidth goes up. These guys do fiber in California http://www.fiberinternetcenter.com/ They do 5 meg burstable to 10 at $1595-1995 but they told me they can do 100 meg for about $7000 per month. John Mike Hammett wrote: Right. I'm amazed at how many ISPs out there don't know who these providers are, or the carriers outside of the RBOCs, or what connectivity possibilities are in their areas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Right, it is not. It is a embedded content provider for web sites. J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information I'm not saying it's not possible, but I doubt that there is much much BitTorrent traffic coming from Limelight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jason Hodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Sounds like bit torrent. What ports is the traffic on? J Hodge 630.445.3779 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Hi, So I grabbed all of Limelight Networks' IP blocks and created a queue on my MT core router. I am currently seeing about 8-9Mbps upload with only a 500kbps download. Any idea why I would be seeing so much upload traffic (coming from 10-15 different customers)? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: 208.111.168.6 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information Do you happen to have the IP blocks it was coming from? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Since no one answered, I got NetFlix myself and added
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month. Course me and my wife have been watching older TV shows over the weekend. ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for video streaming which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. Travis Microserv Drew Lentz wrote: In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these companies that are making million's of dollars more than we are? Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any level is, to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't necessarily fit the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, maybe its time to change the model. This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The networks that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win the customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is going to be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at CES last year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. If your current service provider can't get you what you need, there will always be someone else who can. There is some great info here from a recent conference: http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where it breaks down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per household: 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps Scary how quickly it adds up :) My favorite quote: ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic than entire Internet in 1995² -d On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if someone wants to run a
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
It is important to understand the business impact on this. If you can deliver these speeds, this also could be a method to enable upgrades of your service. I.e. Customer calls in and says their netflix video is bad, if they do not have at least 2-3 meg , and you offer that speed, upgrade them! I know WISPs on 2.4 delivering 3 meg to customers (some not all). Course they don't get far on each AP. lol -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Josh Luthman wrote: Couple of things to mention here... I believe (not certain!) that Netflix will do lower quality streams based on your downstream connection. How low it will go I can't say. If a customer wants something they have to pay for it. The majority of customers go with the smallest package (something like 256k to 2meg depending on the area) which probably won't work with Netflix well. They'll be forced to upgrade and pay more to the ISP, or stop the Netflix service (which is free for the first month). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month. Course me and my wife have been watching older TV shows over the weekend. ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for video streaming which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. Travis Microserv Drew Lentz wrote: In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect place for some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy type service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps of service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the service providers will fall into line, I believe. Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come from the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them into a decision of higher consumption. As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it all that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the communications mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services required. Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think it will continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost per MB over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's Bullet, the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators the ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction of the cost. I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. Fiber to the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically important to aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be again left in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available connection at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, can't get it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay $1200/mth for each cell tower to put them on. Why should the small ISP's foot the bill
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Simple as this... Even if you can supply this bandwidth.. 1. Avg Customer usage goes up. 2. Over subscription rate goes down. 3. Network costs go up to meet increased demand 4. Per Sub costs go up due to the higher usage 5. Profit per sub goes down. Increase back-end costs but no increase in profit = Bankrupt Company Or you can.. 1. Avg Customer Usage goes up 2. Network costs go up 3. Avg cost per sub goes up 4. Pass cost onto customer Regardless, its business 101. If your costs put you into a position that your existing pricing don't make enough money, you have to, reduce costs, or increase income. The idea is how to do this without loosing customers (some you will anyways). But as Sam said, loose the high end customers that use your network and keep on trucking. Comcast I think did this a while back, dumping around 2000 subscribers, due to their usage! Why do you think also sat connections have that FAP, cause they can't just upgrade their backhauls etc Its a major expense. One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know this is coming and should have planned for it. Cost of doing business. I don't think that is true, a small increase in usage yes, but we are talking tripling otherwise low usage connections, if not more. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Sam Tetherow wrote: Of course they want unlimited. I want unlimited as well. But the issue we are going to have to deal with is, is everyone going to be willing to pay for unlimited such that those who are on the top end of the usage spectrum aren't eating our profit? How much unused bandwidth do you have on your current network connection(s)? If one third of your existing customers increased their monthly bandwidth by 80GB (1.5mbit) during peak hours (6pm to 10pm) would your existing infrastructure be able to handle the increased load or would you have to build out more infrastructure. Would your monthly upstream cost increase and if so by how much? Do you think you would lose customers if you had to up their rates regardless of their usage (so that everyone can have their unlimited plan) or do you think it would be less disruptive upping the rates on the power users only? I'm opting for upping the rates on the power users, it will have one of two effects, either I will collect more from those who use more or I will lose a customer that is costing me more than I am collecting from them. Obviously keeping the customer is the desired outcome, but I not willing to pay for him on a monthly basis. On a related note how many people have upped their rates and if so how have you faired against competition? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could be unlimited cell phone with ATT or Sprint. My water is unlimited. People want unlimited service so they don't have to guess what their bill is going to be. Even my electricity and gas bills can be setup as level-pay so they are the same each month. The general public does NOT want to guess how much their internet bill is going to be... especially when they can get Dish or Direct TV for unlimited for $29.95 and up. Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: The average person watches 4 hours of TV per day. If we are streaming at 1.5mbit which is somewhere between SDTV and HDTV it is 660MB/hr. This works out to 79.2GB/month per person. On average I would be that there are at least 2 separate TV views per household (kids vs parents for example). This would get us to 158.4GB/mn leaving less than 100GB for all other traffic. If we run the same for HD which is roughly 2.5mbit or 1.125GB/hr we get 135GB/mn per person for HDTV. While 250GB is more than enough by current usage standards if all viewing moves to IP it is not going to take long 250GB to be a pretty tight fit for total monthly bandwidth. I pay by the gallon for water, by the kw/hr for electricity, and capped with overage on cell service. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: Honestly, I don't ever see the model changing to metered billing. Telephone service isn't that way. Water service (in my area at least) isn't that way. And yes, some have started, but with 250GB monthly caps, it's not really even a cap. Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: I couldn't imagine how the logistics of this would work. What makes sense is if your customer uses more bandwidth, then they
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
The local Gas Co here has budget billing The bill changes ever 4 months. During the winter its low, and the summer its way high, why. Winter we use it to heat with, normally I would have 300-400 bills, for a few months, but the summer we only use it for cooking, so it would be 30-40 bucks! with that I pay around 80-90 bucks a month normally. I guarantee I am paying for ALL of the gas used! Just spreading it out over a number of months.I'm sure though, some months I am ahead, I have credit for unused gas, and some months I owe for. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Matt wrote: My telephone service is unlimited (home landline with Qwest) and could be unlimited cell phone with ATT or Sprint. My water is unlimited. There is almost always 'fine print' in these unlimited plans. Unlimited long distance is almost always not completely unlimited. People want unlimited service so they don't have to guess what their bill is going to be. Even my electricity and gas bills can be setup as level-pay so they are the same each month. The general public does NOT Level pay is not unlimited. No where close. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
Yep. And I would agree there. I also think, WISPs, and even cable cos have the issue that the technology will limit their ability to take this increase rapidly. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Drew Lentz wrote: This is the statement that got me: One argument that I have had people tell me, is that the ISP should know this is coming and should have planned for it. Whether it is through watching the amount of bandwidth used over periods of time as a trend or doing market research to find out what is coming down the line in technology, this statement holds pretty strong. Best practices tell you to build your network for your needs tomorrow, not for today, not for yesterday. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers
By the time you are done, with antenna and such, it usually is not under 50 bucks. Not to mention the quality of the product. Thats always something to look at. We have uninstalled other types of radios, and replaced them with MT CPEs just cause they work! It costs more to go back and have the customer mad cause of a radio issue... . -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Andy Loukes wrote: I have seen most of the easily 'googleable' solutions and most of them are = $100. We are looking for something very low end and simple for $50. I have had a suggestion that Senao has something in this ballpark. BTW apologies for the slightly incoherent email before. I was interrupted whilst writing it and didn't re-read... Thanks for the replies, Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wyble Sent: 11 November 2008 18:09 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] manufacturing CPE for customers Andy, Have you seen www.routerboard.com ? They have some decent CPE for less then 100.00. Andy Loukes wrote: Hi iam looking some one to help me getting smalled board with low cost CPE for indoor use with the support of OpenWRT one lan + one wan + 1 ap contact me offline with specs and price Ram - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - -- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik issues
I do prefer the 433AHs, however if you are only putting a single radio card on it, then the 411A vs 433 is wash. Same processor, same RAM as the 433. If you are not doing much with it, it should work fine. Going to multiple radios per board, 433AH, is the way to go though. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Josh Luthman wrote: When I read However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an hour. I believe he was referring from the CPE radio to his office PC/core. RB411 is meant for a CPE device. RB433 is meant for an AP. If your customers are happy and paying their bill the RB411 is an excellent choice. Personally I put the RB433AH on the tower regardless of expansion is expected or not. The cost of replacing the router in the middle of deployment is way more then the price difference between the RB433 and RB433AH (AH simply means bigger cpu/more memory). You did avoid the 1xx and 5xx series and used the 4xx - that was a wise choice! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the client radio? What does the networking look like. My first guess would be a crappy customer side router which is either having issues with an ARP table or connection table filling up. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Steve Barnes wrote: I have a odd issue(as always). First of all I have a 180 sector with a RB411 XR2 3.15 OS 44 Clients. Can that board handle that load running B everyone at 2MB? All CPE's are Tranzeo TR19 Next I have 3 clients off of that sector with the same issue. Pings from my office to the CPE NEVER drop. However, pings from the client to my office will drop for an intermittent time period several times an hour. I have visited 2 of the clients. With my laptop connected to the POE, when everything is working I can winbox into the tower to watch what happens, with a ping running from my laptop to my office. As soon as the pings stop I start looking at the tower, the Winbox never loses connection. But I can't ping the web, I can't browse the web and tracert stop between the CPE and the tower. But I am still connected and have full access to the Tower with winbox. Pings from the tower to the CPE never fail or change time nor do pings from my office. When the client first complained I had them setup a VNC connection to take control of their PC assuming they were clueless. With VNC from my office I started a ping on their PC and watched it start failing, I NEVER LOST CONNECTION WITH VNC. I could stop and start a ping do a tracert and to make sure I even rebooted the pc. So TCP level still works. Have replaced radios POE's, and some cables at one but since I now have 3 doing it I am pretty sure it's the AP. HELP Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] How NOT to take down your new used tower!
looked like fun! :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Blair Davis wrote: idiots Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yikes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiivRoXLkSMfeature=related Gotta be a better way to do this. marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik simple queues
Change the burst time to 60s/60s and you will be CLOSE to 30 second burst. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Josh Luthman wrote: Here is what I believe you want. It will let the customer use 3M but if for 30 seconds the customer exceeds 512kb/s they're capped at 1536kb/s. /queue simple add burst-limit=300/300 burst-threshold=512000/512000 burst-time=\ 30s/30s comment= direction=both disabled=no dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 \ interface=all limit-at=0/0 max-limit=1536000/1536000 name=blair4noobcstmr \ parent=none priority=8 queue=default-small/default-small \ target-addresses=172.16.0.101/32 total-queue=default-small Fish sounds good for dinner. Thanks for the tip. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I can live with a 1Mb/s limit with a short burst to 3Mb/s But how? I've managed to make simple queues do bandwidth limiting. But making the bursting work seems to be a different kettle of fish Josh Luthman wrote: You can easily do that minus the very last part about the last 30s usage in simple queues. On 10/31/08, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone out here know about MikroTik Simple Queues? I'm trying to get something like this... user with 1Mb/s limit can burst to 3Mb/s for 30sec but only if his average use in the previous 30sec is below 512Kb/s I've tried several things, but I am just not getting it to work. The objective is to speed web surfing and email while preventing long running downloads/uploads from plugging up the network for others. Anyone done this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New form of RSTP?
There is RSTP in current revisions of MT. Is there a reason its not a routed backbone though? Failover etc works so much better. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* John Scrivner wrote: I am starting to think I am going crazy. Actually I have suspected this for a long time now. grin I was sure I saw a recent announcement here from Mikrotik that they have developed a new proprietary form of RSTP (reliable spanning tree protocol) type of layer 2 fail over support and now I cannot find this when I search for it. If anyone else saw this announcement can you please reply with a link to the story about this? I am building a backhaul ring in my network and want layer 2 failover for this backhaul ring. I am considering using Mikrotik. If anyone has similar experience with actual RSTP switching failover in the field and want to share your thoughts on implementation, issues and/or other similar options I would welcome your thoughts. Thank you, John Scrivner WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Equip Leasing
Please do not Advertise on the list! This is not permitted. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Yes... Everyone check out our website article here. http://www.3dbnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=126 It describes in detail the various funding options out there and why you should choose each option. It was written by Todd Bergstrom, the former CEO of Mesa Networks and the CEO of 3-dB Networks. If you go here http://www.3dbnetworks.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=128 We have a link and some information about the company we used for our financing when we were Mesa, Landmark Financial. They are a great company to work with, and truly understand the WISP industry. If you need some Motorola gear for that financing, we may be able to work out a special deal for you... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:07 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Equip Leasing Does anyone have a good relationship with a reputable equipment leasing firm? If so, who are you using? Thanks Chris Cooper This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008
Just a FYI, I got this from Mikrotik.. I wanted to make sure I sent it out to everyone.. The tranzeo timestamp issues comes from tranzeo implementing a timestamp check that is not included in the 802.11 standard for ap to client communications. The timestamp check is included in the standard for the adhoc (IBSS) wireless mode (which is not commonly used and Mikrotik does not support) -- and there is are reasons that it is included in adhoc mode and not in ap to client mode. The standard requires clients to accept the beacon timestamp unconditionally in ap to client mode. Tranzeo has added a specific check because they said they thought it is logical that the check be applied to ap to client mode. Good standards implementations do not add things to a standard. These standards are made by IEEE committees of engineers that are very specific on what they include and don't include. If a company wants to change a standard, then they need to join the committee and, through peer review, get a new standard approved. We have made a work-around for their violation of the standard. But rather than somebody saying thank you, the old saying of 'no good deed goes unpunished' is proven again. We make many work-arounds for incorrect standards implementations and extension by companies such as Microsoft, Realtek, and now Tranzeo. We do that to help our customers, but in reality, the vendors that do not follow the standards should fix the problem. In summary, it is very unfair that we are blamed for problems made by another company that does not implement the standard correctly. Many people in this business don't do it just for money, but because they like making things (be it WISP or equipment for WISP). Rants without basis kind of put a wet blanket on the whole party. For those that would like to research this, here a clear reference from the 802.11 standard that is pertinent: From 802.11-2007, 11.1.1.1 TSF for infrastructure networks: ... A receiving STA shall always accept the timing information in Beacon frames sent from the AP servicing its BSS. If a STAâEUR^(TM)s TSF timer is different from the timestamp in the received Beacon frame, the receiving STA shall set its local TSF timer to the received timestamp value. Tranzeo decided to assume that receiving a beacon with timestamp less than in previous beacon indicates that the AP has restarted (the standard has another method to handle restarted ap units). This check is not in the standard and this a tranzeo addition to the standard that has cause the disconnect problem that Ryan has suffered from. Regards, Mikrotik -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* D. Ryan Spott wrote: Oh don't think I have not tried to shame them into this MULTIPLE times... :) Damian! Get on it! ryan -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:43 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Now if they would just drop a mere $1000 to join WISPA as a Vendor Member they would earn mine. I use their products every day. I have asked them to join, face to face, at shows as recently as the last WiMax World a month ago. Tranzeo benefits regularly from WISPA but as yet seems reluctant to support our industry efforts. Scriv On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read every word. Tranzeo has earned my respect. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions; Mikrotik Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Tranzeo] New Update - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue Oct 10th, 2008 Ladies and Gentlemen, (Please pardon my extensive use of () and in this here email, I am not so good with the typin' stuff! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A few weeks ago (years in some cases, hi Travis!) there was discovered a random disconnect issue between Tranzeo CPE and Mtik APs. First it was prism vs atheos (no, that was not it) Then it was tranzeo CPE are terrible. Yadda Yadda (no that is not it either as even MTIK CPE were seing this, although not as often) Then it was you must have some power issue with the boards browning out on the routeros board you are using (nope, not that either) Someone even threw in Pluto is mad that it is not a planet any more. (Pluto is now considered the largest member of a
Re: [WISPA] NOC
I like the lonely plants scattered about. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: Looks like Tim Hogard's basement to me. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] NOC Here's a NOC... http://www.telstra.com.au/abouttelstra/images/media/photos/73764g2_hires.jpg -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RouterOS version 3.15 released!
Believe it is.. But its not just for Tranzeo though.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Steve Barnes wrote: Anyone know if this is the Tranzeo fix for MT. It does not state that in the Change log but fixes timing issues and some connection issues. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...
I strongly urge everyone to send me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED], any suppouts videos, screen shots of this issue. I have an open case with MT. If you send it over, I will continue to gather information etc, and continue to work with MT on this issue. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: This is NOT just a MT/Tranzeo issue. If you search the forums, people were talking about this issue over 6 months ago with various clients. We are running 100% MT (AP and clients) and we see the issue across ALL of our AP's. Travis Microserv D. Ryan Spott wrote: Steve and Eje, There is a bit of a forum thread here describing the issue: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971 Tranzeo and Mtik are working on it. On Oct 2, 2008, at 5:19 AM, Steve Barnes wrote: So let me get this right. If you have Tranzeo CPE's you only use StarOS. MT does not work. Does Mikrotik even acknowledge that this is a issue and do they have plans to fix it. Part of the issue is I could not make Cisco VPN's work with StarOS V3 AP and a Tranzeo CPE. Had to change to a StarOS CPE. Now I changed to the MT AP and the StarOS CPE didn't work right. So I changed the CPE back to a Tranzeo, VPN's work great now but the Tower reboots. ARG! Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... I do wish the Tranzeos had a ping watchdog feature... - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... Odd behavior. This must be a mismatch in the protocol between the Tranzeo units and MikroTik. We have tested many different units (E-zy.net, Senao/Engenius, MikroTik, Ubiquiti as well Teletronics) and never seen this behavior you describe. However I do recall way back someone had very strange behaviors going on between Tranzeo units and his MikroTik AP. He had some Senao CB3 units and some Smartbridges that he swapped some of the Tranzeo units with and the problems with those clients went away. Not sure what the Tranzeo units are or are not doing when communicating with the MikroTik AP thought this been long since fixed but if it was the problem seems to once again surfaced. / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:20 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Scott Reed; Blake King; Rick Harnish Subject: [WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... I am wondering about a resolution on this. I had a failing StarOS Board so I switched out to a Mikotik RB411 v3.10. Now all 45 of my clients (all are Tranzeo) reset every few minutes. Normally 5min. I have also noticed that at times the signal Strength on my clients go super high like a client at -68 will be at -98. However, if I ping that client they drop back to the -68. As soon as you stop the Ping the signal strength on the AP goes back to -99. If I reboot the Radio it sets everyone back to Really good signal strength for a while then it starts to climb. I had no one over -80 on the star board. I just had 12 clients the MT said was at -112 to -116. Ping them and during the ping they are back to -68. Help. I will be a guinea pig if someone wants to look at my tower from MT. it can't get much Worse. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Gotta love lighting....
Mark, We are NOT far at all, in House Springs, just south of St. Louis. Rolla is just about 1 1/2 hours from us! Give Jim a call on his cell at 314-565-6863. We are a MT distributor and can get you whatever you need! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Mark McElvy wrote: I have lost three towers in the last two days. I got one back this morning and may be able to get a second up this afternoon if it will quit raining. The third tower I need some equipment for. I am in central Missouri, near Rolla, and need RB532 or equivalent, an XR2, and a Tranzeo TR5a-24. If anyone can help that is close by, 4to 5 hr drive, please call. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.247.9980 - Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law
it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this. Amazon is selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over powering the band? Assuming its a 500mw amp thats basically 27 db, so if they have a 7 dbi omni on it, thats 34 dbi, under the limit The only issue is that more of these devices we have out there, the less OUR stuff works. Travis, 1 watt amps are not illegal, its just illegal to use with an antenna more than 6db. p2mp only of course. But same difference, it should not be able to be used as it generates more interference and causes other issues, and yes, its not start to use etc. But I don't think there is anything the FCC could do. Other than its not a FCC Certified device... -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net 314-735-0270 John Scrivner wrote: There is no way this is close to legal: Tiger Direct Wi-Fi Booster Amphttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522757CatId=374gclid=CLCogIud1pMCFRQXsgodo2xwjg Does the FCC have a place where we can report this crap? This is flagrant abuse of the band and will lead to less usability of 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi for our purposes if we do not stand up and stop this type of behavior from vendors who sell crap. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tiger Direct is Breaking the Law
I agree, just saying that there is more than one vendor selling crap. I don't think there is much we can do about it. Just have to know its out there! -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net 314-735-0270 Blair Davis wrote: Let's not start the Certified 'Antenna Systems' thing again. Please! Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: it is'ent like its hard to find other companies selling this. Amazon is selling it too, as well as compusa. .. The issue is that its not over powering the band? Assuming its a 500mw amp thats basically 27 db, so if they have a 7 dbi omni on it, thats 34 dbi, under the limit The only issue is that more of these devices we have out there, the less OUR stuff works. Travis, 1 watt amps are not illegal, its just illegal to use with an antenna more than 6db. p2mp only of course. But same difference, it should not be able to be used as it generates more interference and causes other issues, and yes, its not start to use etc. But I don't think there is anything the FCC could do. Other than its not a FCC Certified device... -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net 314-735-0270 John Scrivner wrote: There is no way this is close to legal: Tiger Direct Wi-Fi Booster Amphttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3522757CatId=374gclid=CLCogIud1pMCFRQXsgodo2xwjg Does the FCC have a place where we can report this crap? This is flagrant abuse of the band and will lead to less usability of 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi for our purposes if we do not stand up and stop this type of behavior from vendors who sell crap. Scriv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] traffic reporting
Trends IWSS Does this, full reporting, plus gives you anti-virus and Anti-SPAM protection.. YOu an load that up on a server, or purchase their hardware box. -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I posted this message a few months ago, and never found anything that was what I needed, so I'm posting again. :) I have several school districts looking for a way to monitor their internet traffic. They want to see where each IP address is going, etc. They do NOT need filtering or any bandwidth management or anything like that... just a reporting system. It can't be a proxy system or anything that will require them to change all the client settings. I would prefer some type of a linux solution that I could put on a box with two ethernet ports and just run as transparent bridging. Any suggestions? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode
Southpark Crude!!! NEVER!! ahahahhaa.. Mark Nash wrote: I watch South Park religiously... That said...if you watch the full episode... fair warning...part of this episode is extremely crude Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [WISPA] Internet Outage / South Park episode One of the Chicago Tribune bloggers discusses an outage at his house in this posting: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/eric2_0/2008/04/real-life- imita.html He includes a clip from South Park that I gather is recent (we're an OTA family, so I'm several seasons behind). I think many on this list will appreciate it; and help understand the value of our work. :-) -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc http://www.linktechs.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Future
And what do you use to control that bandwidth? Chuck McCown wrote: We sell 10.2 Mbps burst service. And most of them actually get that speed. If they start streaming or downloading a large file, we throttle them down. Most are at 768. When the stream or download stops, they go back to wide open throttle. Customers love it. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, What speeds do you sell to your end customers at 128:1 oversub? (I am assuming that you never really go this high!) :) ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future That is pretty much what we do on Motorola Canopy. 20 MHz channels. 128:1 (or less) over subscription 10 Mbps First AP and BH would be in the $5K range Second AP would be in the $2K range. (depending on antennas etc). We are waiting to see what the OFDM product will do. Smaller channels. More speed. (more money too). - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client? What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeff Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Chuck, Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the licenseholders are. - Jeff On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Patrick, Excellent point on channel sizes! So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , 5.X, 3.6 (we are in a big exclusion zone.) I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? Would it use the same channel sizes? Would it help with range and capacity? Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future Patrick, If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: 2 miles los? 2 miles wooded? 5 m los? 5 m nlos? 10 m los? 10 m nlos ?? Is this a fair question? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours great headaches. The stupid 70 miles 30 mbps was the most absurd bit of hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. Meanwhile, Mo Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) was trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the expectations. I did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's greatest near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly on the WiMAX is dead part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong opportunities for a
[WISPA] Interesting FCC Testimony
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/testifying_fcc_stanford.html Interesting presentation. On Net Neutrality. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Nope, if your vendors have them, thats all they are getting. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Blair Davis wrote: I was told that while the 532 was EOL, the 532A would remain available for a while yet... Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
Good idea! :) Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] RB532 replacement...
This is a major issue and all you can do is plan for it. The stepdown from 48 to 24 or 18 is much less of a worry vs AC/DC - DC/AC conversion. The loss should be minimal, and transformers like this, should not fail often. They are simple devices and are relitivly cheap and replaceable. I do understand, how easy it would be to use all 48 volt. We even had a number of requests for -48v Power Supplies in our PoweRouters. 12 volt is easy, the -48 it s a bit harder. Lots of telco rooms etc use these. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Travis Johnson wrote: Well, it seems a step backward to install a 24v to 48v converter and thus add another point of failure, instead of just replacing the PoE. All of the new boards only support up to 28V, so unless you are going to continue to find old boards on the used market, at some point you will have to switch to 24V. Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: 2 reasons I've made it a point to make all my tower equipment use the same power to eliminate the need to keep different spares on hand. At one time I had lots of different types of power supplies for different things. And it is much harder to kill equipment by accident if they all use the same power. one last thing... I've never had problems with voltage drop on a 48V system... no matter if the cable run is 50ft or 300ft. I remember having to pick the power supply vs the cable length before. This, to me, is a step backwards. I no longer replace just the board. I have a standard build of board, enclosure,static protection and so on... we just undo the u-bolts, disconnect the LMR and ethernet and swap. We never open the weatherproof enclosure in the air any more. Travis Johnson wrote: You have to replace the board (which means a tower visit) so why not just replace the PoE at the same time? Travis Microserv Blair Davis wrote: My problems with the replacements is the power supply. I use only 48V POE for my towers... and most of the new gear is not 48V. So now I'm looking for small 48V to 24V DC-DC converters... Dennis Burgess - Link Techs wrote: 3x is what is out. The 133 and 133c's are EOL, as are the 532s, 150s and for most part the entire 100 series boards. Figure you will have to start using 400s, 300, and 600s. We do have new cases, nice hinged enclousers and build to spec our routerboard series. These will fit the 333's without issues. We are just getting ready to put up a dual-pol n-stream link with 600s, think 2 foot on one side and 3 foot dish on the other. I'm sure we will post the information on our MT list... Scott Reed wrote: I understand you don't want v3, but I have been moving to RB333s with 3.x and have had no issues at all. They boot faster and support more radios. RB600 uses same mounting holes and daughter cards. I have one 600 ready to install, but have none in production, yet. I put up a POP with 3 333s on 3RC9 and they are still running on RC12. I should get them up to 3.6 or 3.7, but that takes time. I have a 330 running 3.3 that is doing great as well. I have everything from a RB230 running 2.8.x to 532s running all sorts of 2.9 along with the 330s. At this point I think you are going to have to bite the bullet and start moving to 3.x and the newer cards. Mark McElvy wrote: Since RB532s are no longer available, what is everyone using to replace them? It would be nice not to have to replace the box again (using the 7x6x2's from wisp-router) and I am not quite ready to run v3 on my network. Any suggestions? Mark McElvy WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] uptime
I have a number of hotspot Mikrotiks up 200+ days.. I have seen some over 400 days too, usually we reboot them just to update software though. lol Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant / Trainer www.linktechs.net WISP/ISP Support Solutions Home of the PoweRouter 732! Eric Rogers wrote: Not nearly as impressive, but this is on a tower... Motorola Backhaul: Uptime 1y, 98d, 10:54:41 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] uptime Hi, I just had to get into a Cisco 3512XL switch that we have installed in a commercial office building. While there, I happened to notice: Taylors uptime is 4 years, 13 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes That's pretty amazing considering it's only on a BackUPS 350 (about 20 minutes of battery) and moves about 30Mbps daily. :) Any other uptime stats? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same thing. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.linktechs.net George Rogato wrote: Ok What about Butch? Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well. Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as star-os. It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex uses two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a difference it is between n stream. David E. Smith wrote: Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask you this. What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? In terms of just routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or that StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based mainly upon StarOS 2.x. * Nstreme Dual, a proprietary extension that would be great for busy backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) I've never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty... * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much every type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by comparison) * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite nice) Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; might as well get the one with which you're more familiar. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS
Well, I am no Butch, but I do have a number of customers using BGP on GigE Connections. I would say that in v2.12 - 2.29 ya, there were some bgp bugs and plus the implementation was not 100% .. Most of v3 has been built from the ground up. WebProxy for instance is awesome in v3. I do not know if it is different. I know it will take to Zebra, Qugga and Cisco. Also IPv6 Support for BGP is in there. Also don't forget about Multicast and MPLS is also Available now. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.linktechs.net Tom DeReggi wrote: Butch, I agree the MT graphical interface for configuring BGP, OSPF, and stuff, is pretty nice. Can you tell us more about MT's BGP. Is it Quagga, GateD, or their Own? There had been reports that in the past, BGP was buggy on MT, but NOT buggy anymore with more recent V3 code. I was just wondering because I was wondering about compatibilty with other third party BGP implementations used by upstreams using different platforms. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intel-based 4-port Fast Ethernet Card - StarOS MT does BGP and Bandwitdh shaping. Much simpler to use compaired to star, at least you get a graphic interface.N-Stream does the same thing. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.linktechs.net George Rogato wrote: Ok What about Butch? Butch can maybe better define the difference between MT and Star as a router considering Star V3 which has been out for a while now. I see Butch on the Star forums, so I'm assuming he knows both quite well. Star does BGP and bandwidth shaping, it's done bandwidth shaping for as long as I can remember, and I started using it before it was known as star-os. It also does duplex, not sure if it's true duplex, but stars duplex uses two radios, one to send and one to receive. Not sure how much of a difference it is between n stream. David E. Smith wrote: Not to be antagonistic, but rather to be better educated, let me ask you this. What does MT do that Star doesn't do in the routing arena? In terms of just routing and basic firewalling, the two are fairly comparable. I'm putting more and more Mikrotik RouterOS in my network because of all the nifty extra stuff it does better than StarOS (or that StarOS doesn't do, period). Keep in mind my shopping list is based mainly upon StarOS 2.x. * Nstreme Dual, a proprietary extension that would be great for busy backhauls (you put in two radio cards and have a full-duplex link, one dedicated to transmit and one to receive at each side of the link) I've never actually used this but it sure sounds nifty... * the ability to act as both a client and a server for pretty much every type of VPN out there (StarOS can do some of this, but it's limited by comparison) * BGP (this existed in StarOS 2.x, but was taken out of early 3.x releases, I heard StarOS might be getting it back someday) and MPLS * ridiculously extensive traffic shaping/queuing capability * pretty GUI (this could be a plus or a minus, actually, as the SSH interface to RouterOS is pretty blah while StarOS' console is quite nice) Ultimately, though, I'd say this sort of thing is about 95% personal preference. For many basic jobs, both of 'em will work just fine; might as well get the one with which you're more familiar. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1332 - Release Date: 3/17/2008 10:48 AM
Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures
You can also contact Jim Patient at Jeffco SOHO, at 314-565-6863 He has some great boxes. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.linktechs.net Jenco Wireless wrote: Hi Mac. If the RB-333 is about the same size as the RB-600, I use the 14 x 12. It's a little tight - I vent them myself so I can change the orientation - the RB would probably fit better the way they have them vented though. http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/nema_enclosures.php -- Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out that the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in. Anyone have a nice solution to share?? Thanks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?
The LP or Natural Gas is the way to go. Normally, 100 lbs tanks are simple and cheap, here around 60 bucks delivered. It will run a generate for a good number of hours. A customer put in a 15k auto gen found it on e-bay delivered for 2500 bucks! Ran his NOC twice for 5-6 days each. Has a 250 tank though for his home heat and range, but other than that, they came out, hooked up and filled it without him getting out in the cold. Ran like a champ. Keep in mind for this kind of money, it should have the auto start and transfer switch, also, something to look for in a larger unit is a auto test. This unit once a week starts and runs for 5 min. Something you can do with the Nat gas route, is if you have it near your tower, just get them to hook you up. Then, no gas to worry about, let'er run! Dennis Burgess Link Technologies, Inc. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive? We had a similar experience. We ran our site for 5 months on a combination of batteries and generators. I second the Honda EU and/or Yamaha. They are inverter based and do make a better sine wave, or cleaner power. I also noticed we could run our site 8 hrs on a tank of 2.5 gallons on the Honda 2000 EU, or we could run 8 hrs on a 5 gallon tank with a 5000 watt larger generator. You definately get what you pay for!!! Get at least one Honda 2k (or Yamaha) and then buy a couple backups of the cheap $150-200 generators. Maintain all of them and you should do ok. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tim Kerns Sent: Mon 2/18/2008 6:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive? John, We had to run for over a month on generator at the end of last year. (long story but the place where we contract for one of our towers defaulted on their loan and the bank took over it took over a month and a break in to get the power restored). My point was we used one of the 1000 watt generators from harbor freight, the one with the Subaru engine. We ran this round the clock, the tank on them will run about 5-6 hours depending on load. We took a 5 gallon can, made a spout and connected this to the engine input, bypassing the tank. This gave us plenty of run time, but still needed to refill daily. The first generator lasted about 2 weeks before it was stolen (remember the break-in above), we replaced with the same model and ran it for another 2 weeks. I was really surprised at it's ability to last that long and expected it to die after a few days. We found it did use oil and the automatic low oil sensor did shut us down once. After that we added oil every 2-3 days. - Original Message - From: John Valenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive? I was looking around for a method to keep at least my backbone running during an extended power outage. (we have had ice storms take out power for 4 - 7 days). It seemed like the small generators might be a solution, the Honda/ etc name brand ones seem to be ~$600 for 1000 watts. And I found a company that sells Yamaha 1000W generators converted to dual fuel (NG or propane) for about $1000. They also sell a 2400 watt generator that is triple fuel, gas/NG/propane that is tempting, even at $1600. But then I ran across some imported 2 stroke, 1000 watt generators. Harbor Freight has them in their catalog for about $150. I found a similar one in a local store that is on sale for $99. The box says it will run for 8 hours on tank of gas (at half load, 1.25 gallons). These imported ones just seem like they are too cheap. And I'm not too fond of 2 stokes. That Yamaha dealer warns that the cheap generators are only designed to last 150 hours - but maybe 150 hours for $100 isn't too bad a deal. Just wondering if anyone has thoughts or experiences on this issue. thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS
We did a 18 mile shot, dual n-stream with pre-release v3 dual pol antennas, and got 35meg with -70 or so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I haven't seen those results, but I have seen 12MbpsFDX with a -63 on both sides running Nstream2. If we are going to talk REAL THROUGHPUT - - lets get real and everyone use real figures. I ain't talking bench test and maybe if I hold one hand in the air, twist my lips standing on one leg. I mean real world - whatcha getting?? Whatcha see and is it a bench test or are you in the real WISP world? :) Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess - Link Techs Inc Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS 50 both ways with N-Stream dual and Turbo mode... Dennis M. Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant Link Technologies, Inc., St. Louis, Missouri --WISP/Network Support Services-- +1 314-686-1302 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Mikrotik can do 70 megs or more over 40 MHz as well. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I think it's alot easier to deal with Mikrotik as a router wireless AP, due to the interface and ease of configuration. IP addresses, IP routes, bridging, DHCP, DHCP relay...many many things are very easy to configure in the Mikrotik interface. That said...the hardware, and the Atheros wireless driver in StarOS... I'm blown away. Massive throughput seriously low latency. We've configured a pair of WAR4-METROs in a PtP link with a SuperAG (40MHz) channel that has been pulling 70megs aggregate. There was a comment about how expensive the boards are... I don't think they're expensive at all. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS I won't hold you to it mac. As long as your running the latest V3 Star-os on all the radios involved bridging works perfectly. I have a mostly all routed network, but I do have a 4 bridged PtP shots that work just fine. They are the first hops out of my noc to my network, Downtime hasn't happened. Nothing has not worked and no flakey weird issues have cropped up. On PtMP, I have no idea because it's routed. Best price I can find is a star-os or now called Lucaya, wp188 533MHz 4 port router that lonnie sells bundled with 4 23db cards in a weatherproof enclosure with power supply and poe. The price on that board if you pull out the cost of the cards etc is about 120-130.00. He's always running YSYL deals that is extra cheap. And it's 100% FCC certified. I haven't used MT, so I can't compare the two. I can only tell you what we have. George Mac Dearman wrote: Don't hold me to this, but I have been told from a very super reliable huge StarOS user that StarOS does not bridge well at all. If you are counting on bridging from your client/cpe to the AP -- - - StarOS is not an option. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 6:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT vs StarOS Hi, Anyone care to help compare a Mikrotik based bridged AP/CPE solution to StarOS? Here is a quick list I have come up with. I would love to have everyone add their thoughts... Mikrotik features: graphical user interface (Winbox) more features (Torch, etc) more hardware choices (RB532, RB411, RB600, etc.) Nstreme protocol very reliable StarOS features: FCC certified CPE lower price 'Sync' feature (reconfigure all CPE from the AP side with a single change, such as frequency) OLSR feature VoIP priority with minimal config 200 CPE per wireless card (capable) Travis Microserv -- - - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- - - WISPA
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
We have tested 2600 PPPoE sessions with a PoweRouter 732. This with ONE core on only.. Plus, it includes 7 GigE interfaces. Rackmount etc.. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions?
This is an area that MT has shown considerable interest in as well as have several GOOD hardware products out there. The 1000 is going to be a contender. Not as expandable, but with the price vs performance, don't think you can go wrong. A non MT based product is the PoweRouter 732. There are treads on MTs forums that list 2600 PPPoE sessions with one of the processor cores on, moving 30 meg of traffic with power to spare. Plus both of these are industrial platforms designed to compete with Cisco. The 732 has a MTBF of 100,000+ hours. And I bet the 1000 is about the same. There are hundreds of WISPs across the world that run MT as their cores right now. I think in the next year or two there will be some serious contenders with MT based systems that will rival many well established companies, yes like Cisco, and get a decent market share. The way I see it, the 732, can replace a 20k Cisco for 7% of the price. But as you said, lets not get started on a yours is better than mine war. Not the point of the conversation. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Ricker Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] pppoe server, Redback capability of other solutions? I admit that I'm biased against Mikrotik. It's good for what it is, but it's value is primarily in its price / flexibility. It's not exactly...telco/carrier grade, or however you want to put it. It's fine as edge gear, but, not what I'd put in a core role like this. Perhaps in terms of getting it up and running, you may be quicker with something that you know and have a good feel for--ie intel hardware running Mikrotik. However, in terms of reliability, uptime, and scalability, (and I'd assume configuration options) Redback is the way to go. If you want something that is a little more flexible, go Cisco (but, you'd pay more for comparable performance). Price wise, Redback's are very attractive and very easy to get spare equipment for. Plus, you get _good_ hardware. Not throw CPU cycles at it and keep some extra boxes in the closet for when it chokes good; I mean swap out failed power supplies / Ethernet cards / CPUs without any downtime sort of good. Using PCs / Mikrotik is good when you can't get your hands on good gear at a reasonable cost. That's not the case in this situation... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies ps...Please don't turn this into a flame war :). I realize people here love Mikrotik, and it has its purposes. However, in terms of field tested performance and reliability for PPPoE, Mikrotik is a PC based platform that has relatively few PPPoE deployments running under relatively light loads whereas Redback had a really large install base for high volume PPPoE termination and generally proved itself to be a very solid and scalable platform. On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, Eric Muehleisen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redback is untouchable in terms of PPPoE aggregation. Cisco is really the only other Router out there that is of Redback's caliber. We currently terminate close to 15,000 subscribers using a Redback SE 400. Attached is our current CPU usage. -Eric rabbtux rabbtux wrote: All I'm in the process of moving over to another upstream provider. I'm working with them closely to get service to my county PUD system that uses pppoe tunnels for virtually all end user connections. ( I know that I can get a vlan, but the cost is prohibitive at the moment) So, I'm their first beta tester in my area and they have this used Redback router. First there were problems that were to be solved with a firmware upgrade, now they have a hardware failure without a spare. I'm not familiar with this router at all, but discussed it with their sysadmin. Apparently the need is for something that can handle 2000 sessions and has full 100Mbps NICs and can support that speed. I'm not a pppoe expert, but would a decent PC, with 4/8GB of RAM and mikrotik SW installed handle something like this??? Butch? or other MT experts? Or is this requirement way out of the MT league? For my own reasons, I want to get them going, promptly! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated!! Marshall Rabbit Meadows Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast
We started to do this. Ended up stopping as everyone wanted to be that 30 foot higher, but when you built a 60 foot attached tower or 100 foot guyed, it got expensive and then they did'ent want it. Better purchase, bucket truck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporary Telescoping Mast I just picked myself up off the floor ... pricing came back on the HurryUp mast: $1750 list. (this is from one of the Michigan dealers) It looks very nice, but that seems excessive. I looked at these last year, anyone see problems with this: http://www.tmastco.com/TelepolePage.htm Pricing is shown on the webpage (I always like that), about $115. I would just be trying to hold a Lucaya M1208 at the top. They seem to imply you can add 10' via another pole, for a total height of 38'. On January 31, at 11:09 PM January 31, Mike Hammett wrote: I certainly have access to those, but I was looking get a 50 foot mast and was hoping there was a good solution for at least 30'. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Test, Ignore
I was just setting up some mailing lists of my own! lol. I'm sure all will go well! Dennis Burgess Mikrotik Certified Consultant www.linktechs.net David E. Smith wrote: I'm in the middle of moving the WISPA mailing lists to a new (and bigger!) server, and want to be sure I haven't broken anything too horribly. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, et cetera. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Akamai
I have known several people to use these and some have seen bandwidth savings. MS updates is one of them. Something to note, is that as George says, it can go both ways. The key is to find out where people are going (YouTube) and ensuring that they will help accelerate that. George Rogato wrote: There is possibly additional costs involved. Not sure if Marlon is paying by the bit or dedicated or 95%, but Akamai also uses your bandwidth to reach other customers close to you from the servers they place on your network. I think if someone was colocated in Seattle, they could maybe just peer with them. One way to avoid some bandwidth costs. Anthony Lemons wrote: Getting the Akamai servers installed on your network doesn't cost anything. They ship you the equipment free of charge and you just install it. More info can be found on their site: http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_partner.html Anthony At 11:34 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: I'm thinking of doing some kind of caching again too. What's the cost for this type of thing? We only service about 450 or 500 broadband subs, using two different networks. I'm not sure of the cost benefit these days. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Akamai We love Akamai... especially during big Windows Update periods. :) We serve 12 school districts and they all seem to do their updates on PC's and servers during the same times (during school breaks) and the Akamai servers save us a ton of bandwidth and the customers get GREAT speeds doing the updates. Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: Anybody have any experience with Akamai? I'm thinking of adding some Akamai servers to my network again, looking for opinions. Thanks George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik
Thanks for the vote there.. I do have Enterprise-Grade 1U RackMount Mikoritks. www.mikrotikrouter.com Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik Contact Dennis Burgess. I know he has a high end MT box. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: [WISPA] Rackmount Mikrotik Has anyone found a good solid state rack-mount system for running Mikrotik? In several areas, we are bottlenecked by the 532 boards and was looking for something that would actually handle 100MB of throughput as well as a good amount of queues and VLANs. Any pointers in the right direction are appreciated. Thanks. ___ Don Annas Triad Telecom, Inc. 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 FAX [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.TriadTelecom.comwww.TriadTelecom.com HYPERLINK https://msm.triadtelecom.com/NDDChat/Default.asp?url=http://www.triadteleco m.com/ndd/dannasCLICK to chat with me now! ___ triadtel-login No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1045 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 6:43 PM -- This message was scanned and is believed to be clean. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going?
Yep. I will be there -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Wimax World , anyone going? Im going to Chicago next week for Wimax World, anyone else going? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
