Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...
Amen On Nov 28, 2011 7:12 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: Rich, Take a look at the failing business model of Clear. They have their own licensed spectrum and in my area they spent close to 140 million dollars on build out. They had their network over-saturated within 6 months of turning their towers on with a ton of customers really un happy because of speeds that were promised and never delivered. They are on their last leg and have a huge balloon payment due which they can not pay. They are hoping that their parent company is going to bail them out but I doubt that Sprint will be willing. A pure Fixed Wireless business will be one of the hardest business ventures you could possibly get into. IMO ~Doug *---Original Message---* *From:* Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com *Date:* 11/28/2011 4:52:55 PM *To:* fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list... Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA. But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on where I'm located. I'm interested in finding a location that best enables success for the business. Yes, I would be looked at as the business/funding person. A technical partner or technical contractor/employee would be needed. I hope available equipment is quite stable and reliable? On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.netwrote: Hi Rich, WISPA General List is actually a Global List. It would go a long ways for relevant folks to reply back to you if you at least share what part of the world ? / State or City if in the US. My personal reaction after reading the first two paragraphs was to suggest that you should consider some other business other than being a WISP. However after reading the last two paragraphs, it sounds like you may be the Business / Funding guy, looking for a Technical Partner to build a business together. The only reason I am saying this is because this is a tough business to be in if you are not going to roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty. Regards and Good Luck. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 11/28/2011 6:33 PM, Rich _ wrote: Hello, I operate in the custom software development industry and am considering setting up a WISP as a new business investment. I know very little about the industry and am hoping that some of you will not mind giving me some feedback. In exchange, I'll be glad to answer any software development questions you may have that I can answer or that I can get an answer for. I'm a business person. I'm not interested in learning the low-level details about wireless hardware or protocals above and beyond what I need to run the business. I have no desire to ever install/troubleshoot/repair the equipment myself. What I want to do is own the service and run the business. My first thoughts are I want a setup that makes it easiest for the customer to start using the service. If there is a particular hardware setup that lets me mail a dongle (small device that would plug into a USB port) to the customer and viola they're up and running, great! Also, I am wondering if operating in a licensed spectrum will provide me with some protection from frequency overload. I am interested in finding people who may be able to help me analyze a territory for potential profitability and engineer a setup. So, if it doesn't violate mailing list rules, feel free to respond with your contact information so that I can contact you to find out what it would cost for your services. I know I have a lot to learn and want to stick with high-level information so that I can quickly determine if this is a good opportunity for me. Thanks, Rich WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] I HATE Lightning!!!
First storm of the year, early Monday morning (2-28), it wakes me up at 4 AM. It damaged a lot of gear on a grain leg. I remember a product that is like an upside-down, copper, Chia-Pet that you can put on the top of a tower to dissipate a lightning strike in to many smaller hits. I am ready to buy some of these!! Anyone ever used them, if so, do they work and where did you get them?? Thanks!! Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RouterBoard 1100 Simple Queues
Anyone having an issue with simple queues not working (version 4.15) - maybe RB-1100 related?? Thanks ! Brad Hagstrom WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wanted to Buy - TrangoLink-45 (with external antenna port)
Hello everyone. Anyone have one of these they want to sell?? Please hit me off-list at b...@jencospeed.net Thanks !! Brad H WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn’t complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg
I've been good - not planning on going anywhere! Just a quiet Lister! On Dec 16, 2010 5:21 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: How you been Brad!? Glad to see your still around. -Kurt _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg I'm paying a little more - $2500 for 40 Megs. I feel ripped off !!! There is a 10% margin built in, so its really 44 Megs (Important to know with Butch's QOS) On Dec 16, 2010 9:06 AM, Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net wrote: This isn't in Ohio but when we were upgrading our TW fiber in Idaho, the saleswoman said she can't do any special pricing on circuits less than 100M, we are around $20/M now. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Really? Guess I shouldn't complain when they sold me the 30/30 for $1600 then, I was trying to get the 50/50 and so far they are only coming down to about $2300 for it. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg They seem to have an across the board 800 bucks or so for 10/10 and 1600 for 20/20 Negotiable but not much. All the statics you need included. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2010 6:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Time Warner fiber OHIO price per meg Whats everyone paying price per meg for Time Warner dedicated internet access here in Ohio? -Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT M2 AP's with Legacy CPE's - Tips and Tricks
Hi List. I am a silent lurker on the lists - I hardly ever post but I learn so much from all of you. A few weeks back someone tried to start a thread about using M2 AP's with Tranzeo(??) CPE's. There were no replies, so for that gentleman, I would like to share my recent experiences and see what all everyone else may have to offer. My CPE-side Wi-Fi has always been strictly the old Tranzeo TRCPE-200's and Senao CB3's (all Prism 2.5 chipset stuff) - they just worked well for me. Someone posted that he has not been having any luck with this type of setup except for with UBNT's version 5.1.2 FW. I agree. Here are my other (non-scientific) findings 1) I am using Bullet's for AP's (for now). I always test their output power with an old RF meter before implementing them. There has been a lot of variance on the output power (looks to happen in batches). Many output about 20 dBi. Some output 24 dBi. A few put out about 26 dBi. If you can test them, use the higher power ones for your AP's and long shot CPE's. I have had lower power units that can't get a (CPE) connection, then I send out a higher powered unit and will get a signal in the -68 range. 2) Set the max TX speed way down on the M2 AP until you can swap out all of the legacy CPE gear. 3) I have been manually setting the ACK distance from info from other posts - not sure if it's necessary but since I am not running the latest FW I am going to keep doing so until I hear differently. That's all I can think of for now. Thanks List !! Brad Hagstrom, CEO, President, CTO, COO, a few others, and the CFO's Husband Jenco Wireless, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather proofing antennas
This stuff really does work: http://www.wx2100.com/ Brad H On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I agree with Tom - from this point on I have been doing installs like that. Grids are not my thing but ARC and backfires are awesome! On 12/11/08, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: We quit using grids completely after they practically decomposed into a corroded blob at an installation at the Port of Maui a couple years ago. Now we use14db backfires wherever possible, or if we need more gain, panels like the ARC or pacwireless solid dishes. With their intrinsic radome, these seem to hold up very well for us. Just double-check the polarity markings which can be wrong. Tom Sharples www.qorvus.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather proofing antennas Not really anything that can be done. At least when we get freezing rain it melts within the next day. I've had a backhaul 5ghz grid go down from very minimal ice before. That was a bad night Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Weather proofing antennas I am curious to know if anyone does anything to prepare for lots of ice on grid antennas. I know that it is best to use a dish and cover where weather is prone to these kinds of things but some installs do not have the luxury. I have heard that spraying Pam (or some kind of oil, regardless of brand) should help for at least a few months - is this so? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] any got this Tranzeo antenna in stock?
I have 4 slightly used 120-16's and one or two brand new ones. They are a lot bigger in size but they do work great. I had to go to smaller antennas for contractural reasons. Hit me off-list if interested - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Brad H On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Eje Gustafsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Oops was going to provide the link to the Tranzeo unit http://www.tranzeo.com/products/antennas/2.4-Sectors / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] any got this Tranzeo antenna in stock? From the look of it it's not. The Tranzeo has a plastic radome from the look of the picture while the Laird (Pacific Wireless) one is a metal unit. So the Tranzeo is probably a printed pcb while the Laird one is a metal waveguide. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SAH24-12-Geq=Tp= / Eje -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 8:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] any got this Tranzeo antenna in stock? Isn't it just a rebadged pac wireless unit? -Original Message- From: Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 3:17 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] any got this Tranzeo antenna in stock? Looking for Qty 3x Tranzeo TR-24H-120-13. Units are on 4 week backorder from Tranzeo and Doublradius has no stock. Hit me off list if anyone's got these WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas
Thanks Tom Chuck ! On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of people using all bands of canopy on dual polarity antennas. Nice thing about sync. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas The question is how much Antenna isolation that you need. MOst stock antennas do not have enough for colocating adjacent channels on the same polarity. Tilteks allow for colocating adjacent secotrs on adjacent channels on same polarity, because the excellent F/B ratios. I do not know Canopy's stock antenna patterns to respond adequately on benefit to Canopy users. With Trango it was the difference between 13db and 22db. I have not found an antenna that outperformed the Tiltek in 900Mhz yet. There are other brands such as Teletronics and MTI. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas Hi. Anyone have any thoughts on using a dual polarity antenna (Til-Tek) as opposed to the Canopy standard (6) Integrated AP setup?? Thanks, Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 12:00 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Dual Polarity 900 MHz Antennas
Hi. Anyone have any thoughts on using a dual polarity antenna (Til-Tek) as opposed to the Canopy standard (6) Integrated AP setup?? Thanks, Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure
I have a local competitor who uses Wi-Max equipment - maybe even the brand you mentioned (sorry - I don't want sued) - I have had calls from a customer or two of theirs who are looking for something better. I have no way of knowing all of the details (signal strength, etc.), but at one of their customers homes I did some testing and it really did look like crap (500-600 ms lag times). I have been saying to myself for a long time, self - it's all just hype until you see differently for yourself. I may have been right. I like it when I'm right :-) Brad H On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, It still amazes me how well cell 3g is working. Currently Im on a Cruise Ship sailing out of San Juan towards Aruba, we are bordering the north coast of Puerto Rico ... about 3 miles out and I have 3 out of 5 bars in my ATT Hsdpa Card, inside my stateroom ...not that bad, ATT will eventually migrate to LTE which promises more speed ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology asmiserablefailure This does not surprise me. I have never thought that any type of indoor CPE business plan would do well for wireless internet. There are just too many unknown factors when it comes to placing a low power CPE without an external antenna in the hands of customers. They do not understand the limitations of wireless. Things like aluminum siding and stucco with wire mesh are just a couple of the big problems that you will run in to. Other items like metallic mirror film on windows and too many interior walls between the CPE and tower site are others. From an RF perspective it is always preferable to be above all of that (i.e. Rooftop) with the radio/antenna. If most of the buildings in the neighborhood are of the same height, building losses are a non-issue because you are now above them. The only thing left to worry about is the trees. Using outdoor antenna/CPE combinations should also allow you higher EIRP since the maximum permissible exposure rules would change with the unit being away from the general public. While you can make the case for customer self installs, you would need to have many more base stations so that you would have plenty of signal to overcome the building losses. This may work in a densely populated area where you can justify the numbers (but you also have more competition). In rural markets I would suggest to anyone making a business plan, figure on doing fixed outdoor CPE installations. With a properly equipped WIMAX base station costing around $40,000, a small WISP would be able to conduct many truck rolls for that price. The low housing density markets just don't justify the cost of a properly engineered indoor CPE wireless network (meaning it would take many more towers to work correctly). There would never be the return on the invested dollar. That is just my opinion, I am sure others will disagree with me. If you want a good way to think about it, how many times have you run around a building with your cell phone in a weak coverage area to keep a good call going? WIMAX indoor CPE's will be no different. The bigger problem will be that the customer will not want to move their computer in the house just to get a better broadband signal. This will easily create an unhappy consumer, and then an unhappy investor (and also clueless management). I read some commissioned market studies (can't tell you where, but they were good ones) about the average customer expectation of how and where wireless internet should work. The scary thing was that they honestly believed that they should be able to run around the house ANYWHERE with their laptop and their broadband should just work. This was how they perceived wireless internet working and they did not believe that they would have to install their own wireless AP in the house to achieve this. This basic perception by the consumer is far different than we all understand these networks to work. It sets a business up to get a black eye in the minds of users (which will also stress out the folks who sold the idea to investors). Bottom line to me is, you can't ignore the laws of physics.no matter how many times the sales rep tells you it will work...It's all in the math. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Australian WiMAX pioneer trashes technology as
Re: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization SectorRecommendation
Hands down - I have tried most - Kathreine-Scala are AWESOME. They are only rated 72 degrees or so but they are so clean (F to B) that they will pick up the clients outside that beam width at a higher throughput even with a weaker signal. I am rambling, but I highly recommend these antennas. Brad H (Jenco Wireless) On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Wallace L. Walcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.superpass.com/902-928MH_60.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 900 MHz 60 Degree Horizontal Polarization SectorRecommendation Does anyone know who makes a 900 MHz horizontally polarized 60-degree horizontal beamwidth moderate-to-high quality sector antenna? I can't seem to find any. Thanks in advance for any help. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Design-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ F WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
Please keep us posted on it - I have been wanting one since the day they came out. I have also been thinking about trying one of these: http://www.metageek.net/products/wi-spy24x although it is nowhere near as full featured. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got a BumbleBee Tablet. With 2 day shipping it was almost $5k. It's a well laid out kit, nicely done. I'm not sure I like the unit yet but It's certainly a lot easier to use and figure out than my Advantest! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES That's exactly what I was looking for Brad. Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how much that puppy costs??? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm Worth every penny. I have tested one or two of the R52H cards. The power levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as how even they are. I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly. They are set to run as high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really need to never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal resistor hooked up. These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H or S models. I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the Tx down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) - you need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match - although I believe they are real close on these cards. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks too!! CRAP! J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He claims nobody else has said anything (yet). Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm Worth every penny. I have tested one or two of the R52H cards. The power levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as how even they are. I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly. They are set to run as high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really need to never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal resistor hooked up. These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H or S models. I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the Tx down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) - you need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match - although I believe they are real close on these cards. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks too!! CRAP! J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He claims nobody else has said anything (yet). Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee???? R52H WOES
Hi Mac. I think I paid a little over $500 a couple of years ago. I really wish their UMPC based spectrum analyser was a little less - I just can't justify the cost on it ($4,500 with a Samsung Q1) - but the power meter has paid for itself in headache relief. Brad H On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's exactly what I was looking for Brad. Thanks for the link. Can you tell me how much that puppy costs??? Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES http://www.bvsystems.com/Products/Power/Butterfly/butterfly.htm Worth every penny. I have tested one or two of the R52H cards. The power levels across the frequencies and bands is very impressive as far as how even they are. I will warn you - if you mess with (turn up) the power settings you WILL blow them up - almost instantly. They are set to run as high as they can with the default settings in MT - also - you really need to never ever power one on if you don't have an antenna or terminal resistor hooked up. These cards put out more power on 5GHz than the Senao 8602H or S models. I would recommend getting one of these meters and setting the Tx down a dB or two for safety (make sure you check the performance) - you need the meter becaust the default settings in MT don't always match - although I believe they are real close on these cards. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got these twenty in this morning - 2nd day air from Pasadena networks too!! CRAP! J Mac From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES These came from Pasadena Networks (wlanparts.com) and I reported it. He claims nobody else has said anything (yet). Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Thanks Travis! Yeah - that's how we have been testing them too before we take them out and hang them on a tower. I just got twenty more in this morning and about to test them. The last batch of twenty a couple weeks ago caught us off guard and we built out two new tower sites only to realize that hardly nothing in 5.xGHz worked or would make link. Can I ask if you told your supplier about this and when? I wonder if we are buying from the same place. Wisp-router??? Thanks, Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bumblebee R52H WOES Mac, The last shipment of R52H cards we got (15 total), 11 of them were bad. The TX power was down 20db. We tested them by setting up an AP with just a 3ft LMR cable attached and connecting to it in the office. When we would go into the Signal section for the connection, one side would be down 20-25db from the other. :( Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: Someone on list a while back posted a device they were using to test their radios and the signal they were emitting. What was that device name and price? Some of these R52H radios seem to be killing me. I am seeing all kinds of weird issues like deafness or being mute. I have talked to one other person this morning that has seen multiple failures on these radios (as I have) even though no one seems to be reporting these problems to my supplier since they claim they haven't heard of any issues. I am sure my supplier will gladly replace these radios, but before I ship them back (even though I know they are defective) I would love to be able to test them. Thanks folks, Mac - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - -- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] RB333 enclosures
Hi Mac. If the RB-333 is about the same size as the RB-600, I use the 14 x 12. It's a little tight - I vent them myself so I can change the orientation - the RB would probably fit better the way they have them vented though. http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/nema_enclosures.php -- Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me what they are using for an outdoor enclosure for the RB333? I just got my first order in and to my great dismay I found out that the PacWireless enclosures do not have sufficient room to place these in. Anyone have a nice solution to share?? Thanks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Any Trango Command Line Experts?
Thanks guys. I was trying to do this to my backup unit - it just won't take. I finally gave in a the command did work on the main SM. Probably need to do a firmware update or something first - which would never fly now due to all of the dropped packets. Thanks, Brad H On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it is case sensitive. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Any Trango Command Line Experts? Try: # eth link 10FDX I think it's case sensitive. Travis Microserv Jenco Wireless wrote: Hi. I can't for the life of me remember how to change a Trango's Ethernet link speed. I need to set it to 10hdx due to interference related to icing. Real nice weather here in Ohio - freezing rain and lightning all in one package :-) Here is where I am at: from telnet window, typing eth link 10fdx and it returns: Eth0 100FDX detected ? I have tried every combination I can think of. Any suggestions would be appreciated!! Thanks, Brad H (Jenco Wireless, LLC) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Laptop
The Lenovo x61 is supposed to be pretty good - I just can't make myself spend that kind of money. On 9/10/07, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a new one. Anyone got a laptop that works outside well? I can't see the screen on my dell very well. Brian ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware
What's everyone using now? I just got a nasty infection using AVG (fully updated). I guess AVG has not kept up well according to the reviews. Thanks, Brad H ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AntiVirus Sortware
Consumers Reports just rated them really low, plus I just heard a guy at a PC store talking about it in a bad way. I Googled Airship F4 (it's an RC toy) and one of the links on the first page turned out to be a porn site. I didn't even hardly check out the site ;-) but when i (finally ;-) went to leave it it wanted me to click OK to install something. Sorry for all the tech lingo. Anyway, it wouldn't let me exit the install window so I restarted my PC, when it came back up I had the old missing system file screen of death. Brad H On 9/7/07, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, September 7, 2007 8:33 pm, Jenco Wireless wrote: What's everyone using now? I just got a nasty infection using AVG (fully updated). I guess AVG has not kept up well according to the reviews. Just out of curiosity, any cites or details on this? We recommend AVG Free to our subscribers, and have AVG Professional on all the computers in the office, and have had no problems with it. (As long as it gets updated occasionally, but you have that problem with any AV package.) If AVG isn't playing well, I'd like to know about it, so I can look at the options (thin though they may be). David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower
I always tie off, even on the inside. It is just so easy to climb on the inside. The 36 size is perfect because I can just lean back when I need a break. This particular tower has a lot of horizontal bars and everything is round and welded - nothing to really catch on. It's like it was designed for easy climbing. Thanks, Brad H On 7/29/07, Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rohn makes a lot of 36guyed towers. Is the safety climb installed inside the tower? That's unusual. Be sure you use the safety climb system or other means to remain 100%tied off or high a professional tower crew to do the work. Staying tied off might cost you some teeth if you fell but you won't go home dead. Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 317-222-1329 -Original Message- From: Jenco Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I have equipment on a 500' tower. The legs are spaced 36 inches apart and it is really, really easy to climb up the inside (I am a little vertically challenged when it comes to height :-). I can't figure out who made it. Anyone have any insight on what manufacturer(s) makes easy-to-climb-inside towers? Thanks, Brad H Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower
I bet that once most people tried one of these towers, they would like it !!! (Assuming they are about 5'6). I do tie off, but it would be difficult to fall far enough to get seriously hurt do to basically being inside a cage, not that it can't be done !! (I know, famous last words - you don't have to say it). The link is to a pic of the tower with a bigger guy climbing the inside (not me): http://www.jencospeed.net/Tower.JPG On 7/29/07, Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to be direct, but I would much rather rescue someone on the outside of a tower if the situation came about. It is much easier to keep them away from grabbing things when they are semi-consious if you are outside. It may be easier to rest when on the inside on a climb, but if you have a saddle and some sort of tie-off, the outside is just as comfortable. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I always tie off, even on the inside. It is just so easy to climb on the inside. The 36 size is perfect because I can just lean back when I need a break. This particular tower has a lot of horizontal bars and everything is round and welded - nothing to really catch on. It's like it was designed for easy climbing. Thanks, Brad H On 7/29/07, Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rohn makes a lot of 36guyed towers. Is the safety climb installed inside the tower? That's unusual. Be sure you use the safety climb system or other means to remain 100%tied off or high a professional tower crew to do the work. Staying tied off might cost you some teeth if you fell but you won't go home dead. Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 317-222-1329 -Original Message- From: Jenco Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I have equipment on a 500' tower. The legs are spaced 36 inches apart and it is really, really easy to climb up the inside (I am a little vertically challenged when it comes to height :-). I can't figure out who made it. Anyone have any insight on what manufacturer(s) makes easy-to-climb-inside towers? Thanks, Brad H Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about
Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower
You can get through same as you get in. On 7/29/07, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you able to fit through an opening somehow to get on the outside of the tower once you get up there. Doesn't look like there are any largeish openings. The 48 incher I climb had some larger openings on the sides that I could get through. With this one, I'd be concerned about rescuing you inside there if something happened. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 9:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I bet that once most people tried one of these towers, they would like it !!! (Assuming they are about 5'6). I do tie off, but it would be difficult to fall far enough to get seriously hurt do to basically being inside a cage, not that it can't be done !! (I know, famous last words - you don't have to say it). The link is to a pic of the tower with a bigger guy climbing the inside (not me): http://www.jencospeed.net/Tower.JPG On 7/29/07, Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to be direct, but I would much rather rescue someone on the outside of a tower if the situation came about. It is much easier to keep them away from grabbing things when they are semi-consious if you are outside. It may be easier to rest when on the inside on a climb, but if you have a saddle and some sort of tie-off, the outside is just as comfortable. Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I always tie off, even on the inside. It is just so easy to climb on the inside. The 36 size is perfect because I can just lean back when I need a break. This particular tower has a lot of horizontal bars and everything is round and welded - nothing to really catch on. It's like it was designed for easy climbing. Thanks, Brad H On 7/29/07, Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rohn makes a lot of 36guyed towers. Is the safety climb installed inside the tower? That's unusual. Be sure you use the safety climb system or other means to remain 100%tied off or high a professional tower crew to do the work. Staying tied off might cost you some teeth if you fell but you won't go home dead. Jim Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] 317-222-1329 -Original Message- From: Jenco Wireless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 36 guyed tower I have equipment on a 500' tower. The legs are spaced 36 inches apart and it is really, really easy to climb up the inside (I am a little vertically challenged when it comes to height :-). I can't figure out who made it. Anyone have any insight on what manufacturer(s) makes easy-to-climb-inside towers? Thanks, Brad H -- -- Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] 36 guyed tower
I have equipment on a 500' tower. The legs are spaced 36 inches apart and it is really, really easy to climb up the inside (I am a little vertically challenged when it comes to height :-). I can't figure out who made it. Anyone have any insight on what manufacturer(s) makes easy-to-climb-inside towers? Thanks, Brad H Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much does FCC certification cost?
I wonder if the new revision 5 RB 532's addressed this issue? On 6/10/07, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. It is emissions from the DC to DC converter on the board. With no cards and no ethernet connection, using just a power supply, it can emit up to +30db of noise in both of those bands. I have setup several tests with our spectrum analyzer. The board uses a very cheap DC to DC converter. We shut down several HAM operators and even the regional ambulance two-way radio system (and our tower was 300ft away from their tower). We switched to 18v PoE instead of 48v PoE and that stops 90% of the noise at 450mHz. However, there is still substantial noise at 145mHz, but the HAM guys can work around that. The board will never pass FCC certs. Mikrotik knows it, thus the reason they never responded to emails and they _deleted_ the message thread on their forum that I created over a year ago. :( Travis Microserv Smith, Rick wrote: well yeah, but aren't those Ethernet emissions? I had trouble interfering with HAM repeaters until I went to 10 mbps... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 10:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much does FCC certification cost? The current 532 board will NOT pass FCC certs. Too much noise coming directly off the board at 150mHz and 400mHz ranges. Thus the reason it has never been FCC tested. Travis Microserv joelaura wrote: So are we saying that it would be under 5K to get MT certified with different antennas? If thats the case why wouldnt they have done it? Seems like they would have a much bigger market if the stuff was certified. Joe -Original Message- From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent 6/10/2007 7:17:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much does FCC certification cost? Depends on the amount of lab-time testing needed. You can minimize test time (and cost) when you use a wireless card that has already received a modular approval from the card manufacturer along with a clean single-board computer (SBC) motherboard, a clean power supply plus software that dis-allows operation (or excess radiation) outside of the U.S. band. That combination costs about $3219 to certify. I recommend certifying with a range of antennas (the entire range of antenna types that you're likely to use). Hit me off-line for more detailed info. jack D. Ryan Spott wrote: ? ryan -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet
I forgot to mention, most of the lightning damage (more than 90 percent) I have had has been after long periods with no rain, so the clay had a lot of time to dry out and turn in to an insulator. One Summer my main tower and about 10 percent of my clients were destroyed from one lightning storm. It had been really dry before this storm. Brad H On 5/24/07, Scott Lambert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's been a lot of talk in here about how to ground the towers. I hope everybody's actually read up on the topic, but just in case someone isn't, get a book. Don't guess. Proper grounding is hard. It's expensive. One such book is put out by PolyPhaser. It's obviously biased toward using their gear. It's only $20 and has more math than you're probably interested in. But there are a lot of little things to consider. The ARRL also has a three part series, in PDF, about lightning protection. They are free. If you want to experiment with grounded vs. ungrounded, may I suggest you put strike counters on both sets of towers? That's the only way you will know if you are just lucky, or your ground system/strategy is working. My first tower (50') was hit three times the first spring it was up. Lots of little bits and pieces of electronics to sweep up each time. We didn't know how little we knew about proper ground systems. Three ground rods and #4 ground wire ought to be great, right? Got the book. Figured out that we were doing a lot of stupid things. Went from 3 to 6 ground rods. Tweaked a few other things. It's been two years without surge related outage. No strike counter on it yet so I can't prove that the upgrades helped yet. Just to counter the clay makes insulators, clay is the best soil you could want for a ground system. You have to bake the water out of the clay before you get an insulator. In the ground, clay hangs onto water which help conductivity. Be careful, whatever you do. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM Radio and Ethernet
After many hits, I ungrounded, added inductance and lots and lots of surge suppression (not little ethernet supressors) - my experience (or luck) has been that it is better to un-ground. My location has 100 percent clay soil (clay was used as an insulator in the old days), so that may be a factor. Brad H On 5/23/07, Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have one tower, that as a test, we did not do any grounds other than the power ground. Everything else is grounded by default. What I mean is the mast attached to the tower is grounded simply because it is attached to the tower, etc. This site has been up for 2 years with no issues. The luck factor has a lot to do with lightning. This is not the norm, was done as a test. Justin -- Life is unfair, but root password Helps --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] CCNA - A+ - CCNT - TAT - ACSA - COMTRAIN MTIN.NET Wireless - WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net WEB: http://www.findawisp.com Phone: 765.762.2851 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] fm towers
FM kills Ethernet. Inductors - Period. Set to 10 Mbps until then. Brad H On 3/30/07, Edward J. Hatfield III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nearly 40 dB of variations in the link S/N ratio? Holy cat crap, Batman! How accurate is the test equipment yielding that measurement? SNR variations of 40 dB means four orders of magnitude in signal levels relative to the noise floor, a 10,000:1 change in the power ratio. No wonder the bloody link isn't stable! Frankly I'm not inclined to trust the accuracy of those measurements over-much; it's been my experience that few people own or even have access to the kind of test equipment (like Network Vector Analyzers and Power Meters) required to properly trouble shoot microwave systems. But there obviously IS a problem. OK, now for the (hopefully) helpful part: My hunch is that the FM broadcast signal, being in relatively close proximity to your antenna mount, is generating harmonics or other spurious energy of sufficient power to overload the front end of your radio. (Sharp Q, ultra-deep microwave filters are expensive and I'd be very surprised if your radio was so equipped). So, the question before you is: How important is this site to your overall network? Is it worth the expense of having a properly trained and equipped microwave field engineer find and characterize the problem, and suggest some options for corrective measures? Sorry if this sounds a bit harsh but sometimes there aren't any easy answers to difficult problems . Hope this helps, Ted Edward J. Hatfield III, President E.J. Hatfield Company 5142 Edgemoor Drive Norcross, GA 30071-4342 USA 1-770-209-9236 - Office 1-770-209-9238 - Fax 1-770-560-0736 - Sprint 1-678-457-8411 - Cingular 154*273*18 - NexTel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] fm towers mikrotik 5.8 ptp links off an FM tower. We have a ptp link with a signal to noise of 66 to 103. Our access points will only link for a few seconds and quit. we have the exact same links on other towers that work great and the one to this fm tower will not work. any suggestions? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ohio-based Slane Telcom Acquires WISPs to Satisfy Consumer Demand
They tried to buy my company. I wasn't trying to sell so I didn't try too hard! I think I may have been their first try. The offer was really low. They paid a lot more for a lot less on their next acquisition. If I knew they were going to setup in Arizona, I would have played it a lot differently !! Brad H On 2/23/07, Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COLUMBUS, Ohio, Feb. 23 /PRNewswire/ -- As more consumers turn their backs on traditional landline telephone service, analysts see Internet telephony going mainstream in the next two years. Projections indicate there will be 32 million Internet phone lines while traditional residential landlines will fall from about 114 million last year to about 88 million by 2009, according to Gartner Research. Ohio-based Slane Telcom is capitalizing on this trend by acquiring Wireless Internet Service Providers (WISPs) and deploying Motorola's Canopy wireless broadband technology to deliver high-speed Internet and Internet telephony services across the U.S. Slane's 2006 acquisition of a partial ownership stake in Plannet Group of Columbus, Ohio positioned the companies to offer Ohio's first completely wireless transport system offering Voice Over Internet Protocol (VoIP) Services. The company intends to replicate this model in all planned acquisitions. As part of Slane Telcom's aggressive growth path, it has signed a master agreement with American Tower, which provides access to 24,000 towers across the country. O'Connor has successfully completed four acquisitions of fixed wireless providers in the past two years including eSedona, the largest ISP in Sedona, Arizona. He projects three more deals will be completed in 2007. With more than 4,000 subscribers, Slane is quickly becoming one of the largest WISPs in the U.S. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109STORY=/www/story/02-23-2007/0004533257EDATE= -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs
I e-mailed them and told them it needs a remote pendant (with variable speed - much slower) - if slow enough, we could tie off on the way up with little physical exertion. I am fat and old :-) On 2/16/07, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hard to achieve 100% tie off with that contraption, I'm sure! No thanks- I'd rather climb! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Automated Tower Climbs OSHA is gonna love that :-) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months !
Thanks everyone. The customer e-mailed back and said he had not noticed that he was not getting billed. He offered to pay the full amount. In the spirit of good relations (and not getting bad PR) - I told him I would take half of the bill. Thanks, Brad H On 12/11/06, Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sign em to a 2 yr contract, up his fee by x$ (with some discount tossed in), and be done with it. As a cancellation fee, charge him that year's service you missed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 2:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I missed billing a customer for 15 months ! I agree. I'd say, I forgot to bill you yada yada, but since I'm such a nice guy I will not charge you the late fees, not disconnect you, and give you 6 months to catch up. Brian George Rogato wrote: Agreed, and I would not have mentioned any issues with my system either. What I would do though is offer not to charge him the late fees. You do charge late fees, right? George Peter R. wrote: This wasn't an email kind of thing. This was a phone call or visit kind of event. - Peter Jenco Wireless wrote: I just sent him an e-mail: Hello Mr. XXX . We just did a review of our credit card billing and realized that we have not successfully billed your account since 7/26/05. Our credit card service tried to bill you a few times (6), but for some reason was declined payment. Due to the timing of the catastrophic lightning strike we had in August '05, we did not catch this situation. We realize that some of this is our issue, since we did not catch it, but some may be on your end as well for the same reason (not noticing the fact that a charge for our service has not been incurred for the last 15 months). We would like to know your thoughts on how you think we should proceed with this? Thank you, Me ** Note - Why do the people who seem to be the nicest you have ever met seem to turn in to the biggest a-holes as soon as there is a 1 second glitch in their otherwise perfect Internet service :-) :-) ** -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). Brad Hagstrom On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? Best,-- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
It's the simple method - but it works ! Brad H On 10/17/06, rwf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep- We look at Hamfests for any inductor with a big hole and pass the Ethernet or COAX through with as many turns as we can cram in the hole. Ralph From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:42 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning DigiKey lists a standard inductance for each core and the frequencies they filter. Its been awhile since I researched them, but my primary focus was the FM interference and my secondary was just to get as much inductance as possible for lightning suppression. - the more times you loop the cable through it, the greater the inductance. I go for as many loops as I can possibly get. A lot of times, I buy the inductor mostlybased an the physical size that will work for my application. I use them on just about everything, even my RF pig-tails (with no looping). Brad Hagstrom On 10/17/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you compute the total amount of inductance? Based on the length/properties of the Cat5 alone? Would you mind posting the formula or, better, a spreadsheet like that posted for solar? Best,-- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
Hi Paul. I chose this model for an FM tower and the total amount of inductance. They work fine for PoE as well. After using these, I was able to get my Ethernet speed increased from 10 Mbps to 100 on several different devices on this tower, so they definitely worked for that. On 10/16/06, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Brad, I'm curious as to why you chose this particular model of ferrite and if you run poe through these cables? Did these resolve a problem you where having with interference on the cat5? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jenco WirelessSent: 08 October 2006 00:33 To: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located in Ohio. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless) On 10/7/06, KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you share some info on the $1.50 inductor you reference below?Do you then ground the inductor to the mounting arm which is then grounded to an earth ground? Please share if you don't mind, inquiring minds would LOVE to know. ;-)Also, where are the bulk of your subscribers located (city/state)? Iwould venture to say that WISP's out west have fewer lightning related failures than WISP's in the East or South. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-FounderKyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, KentuckyYour Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.comCall Us Today: 859.274.4033===$29.99 DSL High Speed Internet$14.99 Home Phone Service$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV- No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment- Affordable Upfront Pricing- Locally Owned Operated- We Also Service Most Rural Areas===- Original Message -From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 AMSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightningI lost 15% of my CPE's one year.It was a dry Summer (I theorize the earthwas not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad storms.Usinga $1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have helped a lot.Brad HagstromOn 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I've been fairly lucky.The only lightning losses I've had were on my tower.I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by lightning, but it came through the house and blew a LOT of other stuff as well.To me, to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1 (percentage-wise, less than 1% for me) in a little over a year. - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to lightning. We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO, owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so prone to damage caused by lightning. BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips, tricks and wisdom. Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20 per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection compare with installations where there is none?Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas ===- Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High
Re: [WISPA] lightning
Good point - also,I forgot to mention the other reason I lost so many CPE's - don't leave a big roll if extra cable - that lowers the impedance. On 10/8/06, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use ferrite beads for the same reason.Sometimes I use 2; one at theradio and one right before the cables enter the house.DO NOT put them on a ground wire since that's where you want the lightning's current togo.Because its current has such a fast rise and fall time, lightningbehaves like ac or rf.That's why ground wires are supposed to be as straight as possible, and if you have to bend it, you should make theradius of the bend as large as you can.A tight bend acts as a coil(increased impedance) and will cause the lightning to look for a better path.Ferrite beads do the same thing.By putting a ferrite on thecables, you still let your signals through, but it looks less invitingfor the lightning.JasonJenco Wireless wrote: Contrary to popular belief, lightning likes to follow the path of least inductance.Inductance is the resistance to a change in current flow.All I can say is that they have worked for me. On 10/7/06, *Dylan Oliver* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/06, *Jenco Wireless* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page).Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-).We are located in Ohio. Sounds like this is more for reducing EMI .. how do you figure it protects from lightning damage? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] lightning
I lost 15% of my CPE's one year. It was a dry Summer (I theorize the earth was not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad storms. Using a $1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have helped a lot. Brad Hagstrom On 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I've been fairly lucky.The only lightning losses I've had wereon my tower.I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by lightning, but it came through the house and blew a LOT of other stuff as well.To me,to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1(percentage-wise, less than 1% for me) in a little over a year. - Original Message -From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:53 AMSubject: Re: [WISPA] lightning Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to lightning. We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO, owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so prone to damage caused by lightning. BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips, tricks and wisdom. Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20 per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection compare with installations where there is none? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning If it's your equipment and the customer didn't damage it (hit it with a rock etc.) then it's your problem to deal with. The cheaper the gear, usually the easier it is to break :-). I've had much less trouble this year with cpe from Tranzeo than from any other brand I've used. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message -From: chris cooperTo: 'WISPA General List'Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 7:55 AMSubject: [WISPA] lightning We had the lightning storm of the century here 2 days ago.It was an awesome spectacle to witness.It was a much more distressing spectacle to watch our network map begin to blink red all over the place.Which
Re: [WISPA] lightning
http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located in Ohio. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless) On 10/7/06, KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you share some info on the $1.50 inductor you reference below?Do you then ground the inductor to the mounting arm which is then grounded to an earth ground? Please share if you don't mind, inquiringminds would LOVE to know. ;-)Also, where are the bulk of your subscribers located (city/state)? Iwould venture to say that WISP's out west have fewer lightning related failures than WISP's in the East or South.Shannon D. Denniston, Co-FounderKyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, KentuckyYour Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.comCall Us Today: 859.274.4033===$29.99 DSL High Speed Internet$14.99 Home Phone Service$19.99 All Digital Satellite TV- No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment- Affordable Upfront Pricing- Locally Owned Operated- We Also Service Most Rural Areas===- Original Message -From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgSent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightningI lost 15% of my CPE's one year.It was a dry Summer (I theorize the earthwas not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad storms.Usinga$1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have helped a lot.Brad HagstromOn 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I've been fairly lucky.The only lightning losses I've had were on my tower.I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by lightning, but it came through the house and blew a LOT of other stuff as well.To me, to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1 (percentage-wise, less than 1% for me) in a little over a year. - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to lightning. We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO, owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so prone to damage caused by lightning. BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips, tricks and wisdom. Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20 per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection compare with installations where there is none?Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas ===- Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning We offer an optional $4.99 Equipment Protection Plan for residential subscribers and it's $9.99 for Commercial and Non-Profit accounts. If they wish to waive it, they must furnish us with documentation from their insurance agency stating that it will be covered. No exceptions. As a result, approx. 95% of our subscribers purchase our EPP. The added revenue allows us to cover the cost of CPE that gets taken out by lightning and the associated service call fees we incur.Shannon D. Denniston, Co
Re: [WISPA] lightning
Contrary to popular belief, lightning likes to follow the path of least inductance. Inductance is the resistance to a change in current flow. All I can say is that they have worked for me. On 10/7/06, Dylan Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/06, Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located in Ohio. Sounds like this is more for reducing EMI .. how do you figure it protects from lightning damage?Best,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532s
I am waiting on this also (the noise issue from the power supply is what I am assuming you are talking about). I have had various issues with a couple of old 532's I got when they first came out (Ethernet connectivity to a Tranzeo unit on a 250' run). I have had good luck with the 100 series, but maybe because I just happened to use low voltagePoE. I don't want to try another 532 until I hear there is a resolution the the RF noise issue, because I have made the assumption that this is related to the issue I had. I wonder why the thread is gone, if its not in the archives. I made a post once that they did not agree with and it got removed. Just saying BTW - I have a lot of respect for Mikrotik and think they have a truly superior product, so I am not trying to bad mouth them in any way. I just didn't like my thread getting removed (I must have taken it personally). Brad H On 8/10/06, Eric Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if there is a resolution on this issue?If you browseMikrotik's site, the thread has been removed. Eric-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sam TetherowSent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:18 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532sHere is a thread from the MT forums on it. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=9130Sam TetherowSandhills WirelessMac Dearman wrote: Where did you get that info from Travis? Links, source...etc? Mac Dearman *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2006 3:58 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532s Maybe they pulled them off production due to the NOISE they are blowing all over the 50-450Mhz spectrum. :( Travis Microserv Kelly Shaw wrote: Anyone know of a source with RouterBoard 532s in stock? I normally can get them from WispRouter but they won't respond to my phone calls about them... Kelly Shaw Pure Internet www.pure.net http://www.pure.net __ NOD32 1.1657 (20060713) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com !DSPAM:16,44b6c32336811364511223!--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 900 Mhz bandpass filters
http://www.dci.ca/ They custom tune them for you. Expensive, but probably the best on the market. Very low line loss. -- Brad H (Jenco Wireless) On 6/15/06, Mario Pommier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know of a source for 900 Mhz bandpass filters to selectivelyfilter out other transmitters within the 902-to-928 Mhz frequencies.In my particular case, I'd need to filter our from 902-to-915 Mhz, so I cantransmit in the 917-to-922 range.Thanks.Mario---[This e-mail was scanned for viruses by our AntiVirus Protection System] --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Zcomax has WIMAX?
Why is the 3.5 Wi-Max license free band not approved in the U.S. ??? -- Brad H On 6/12/06, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.zcom.com.tw/news001.htm--George Rogato Welcome to WISPAwww.wispa.orghttp://signup.wispa.org/--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Map... How to Add Your Wireless Internet AP
I accidentally added one where I don't have one. How can I delete it? Thanks, Brad Hagstrom On 4/19/06, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gentlemen, Adding a point is a bit confusing if you've not used aninterface like this before... The trick is to...1. ZOOM INTO YOUR LOCATION of choicewhen you are zoomed and CENTERED on the location of your AP...2. Select WISP in the TOP ROW... and add your url...On 4/19/06, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second that problem……tried every way….every link…and dada….how to get it on there escapes me Chuck Moses HIGH DESERT WIRELESS BROADBAND COMMUNICATION 16922 Airport Blvd # 3 Mojave CA 93501 661 824 3431 office 818 406 6818 cell From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] STATS: Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE! Subject: Re: [WISPA] STATS: Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE! Man I'm not that mentally challenged but I haven't been able to figure out how to put my WISP on this map!Help, please? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] STATS: Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE! How do I change.I put my WISP Wi-Max, oops, and need to make it WISP. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, Dan Gilkerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:36:38 -0700 Subject: [WISPA] STATS: Wisp Wireless Internet Google Map DONE! PS... Unique Visitor Count FYI Feb 2,240 Mar 6,143 Apr 2,090so farGOOGLEMAP: http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-access-wimax-evdo-hsdpa-map-set.html -- Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor http://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com 2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101 Suite 203 Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007 206 984 0880 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisorhttp://wireless-internet-coverage.blogspot.com http://evdo-coverage.com2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101Suite 203Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007206 984 0880--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
Geta test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testingAs to what is wrong with them, I don't know.I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units.They were openedfresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt thatit made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue totest as I have time...Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles.There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol.Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails.The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail.However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box.Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db.At a client end this might not be worth it.At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/--Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Pigtails..... and 5.8GHz low power....
It's called the Butterfly from www.bvsystems.com. It was about $500. Money well spent :-). As far as I can tell, it is dead accurate ! Brad H On 3/3/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which meter did you buy? What did it run you? Tom DeReggiRapidDSL Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Geta test meter. I got one from BVS Systems and LOVE it ! Roger Peters has had great piggies in the past. I just tested a UFL from Wisp-Router and it was 2 dB better than anything else (UFL) I have tried, but it was only 5 long, so I am sure that has something to do with the better review. Once you have tested a few radio cards and pigtails with this meter, you will wonder how you ever lived without it. Brad H On 3/2/06, Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't 'directly' tell which is good or bad without testingAs to what is wrong with them, I don't know.I do know that the ones I tested and published to the list were all new units.They were openedfresh for this test. I tested some other units as well, but I felt thatit made more sense to show the results from new, 'identical' pigtails I plan to buy sets of pigtails from other manufactures and continue totest as I have time...Tom DeReggi wrote: The question is, how do you tell which pigtails are good and bad? And more importantly why are the bad ones bad? Is it the cable quality, the connector quality, the crimping/soldering ofconnector to cable? Is it the Ufl connector getting bend/loose where it clamps to the radio connector? Is there are more durable pigtail that gets around the problem? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pigtails. and 5.8GHz low power Some interesting results of pigtail testing. Link is 7.9 miles.There is eyeball LoS with no fresnel zone incursions. Antennas are V-pol.Calculated link is -63db. Client end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5827G 27db grid AP end: RouterBoard 230 with MikroTik 2.9.13 SR5 card set to default TX power u.fl to N-female pigtail 5 ft LMR-400 jumper Hyperlink HG5817P 17db sector AP reports client at -71 with -100 noise floor Test u.fl pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -71 #2 AP reports client at -82 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -72 #5 AP reports client at -71 Obviously, not all new u.fl pigtails are the same. Test mmcx pigtails new in wrapper. #1 AP reports client at -73 #2 AP reports client at -74 #3 AP reports client at -74 #4 AP reports client at -75 #5 AP reports client at -73 Less spread on the mmcx pigtails.The best mmcx pigtail seems to about as good as an average u-fl pigtail.However, this could be an artifact of the SR5 cards mmcx port. Draw your own conclusions, but I will no longer trust u.fl pigtails out of the box.Careful sorting of new u.fl pigtails could improve signal quality by 3-4db.At a client end this might not be worth it.At the AP, IMHO, it is well worth the time and effort. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --Blair DavisAOL IM Screen Name --Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A division of:Camp Communication Services, INC--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM tower co-location
He he !! As far as I know everything still works :-) On 1/26/06, Kurt Fankhauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad, hope you already had all the kids you want. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FM tower co-location I have. The station on the same tower as me is not a super high power station - I think they broadcast at 12,000 watts (we have one close that does 75,000 Watts) !! The RF engineer for the station told me that 40' was safe for short exposure. I have some gear closer to 12' away. They are required to turn down the power if you are going to be close. I don't want to ask them to do that too much (I am sure with the rent they pay they can dictate terms to the tower owners, if they are not the owners (not sure)). I bought an RF radiation suit. Unless I am going to be very close for a long period (hours), I just work in the suit. I also had a Narda RF monitor, until it had a 460' fall - oops. The bottom line is 50-300 MHz is very dangerous for human exposure. It will cook you like a microwave oven starting with your eyes and testicles. Be careful Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless On 1/24/06, Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious if anyone here has co-located on an FM tower? If so care to share your experiences? Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM tower co-location
I have. The station on the same tower as me is not a super high power station - I think they broadcast at 12,000 watts (we have one close that does 75,000 Watts) !! The RF engineer for the station told me that 40' was safe for short exposure. I have some gear closer to 12' away. They are required to turn down the power if you are going to be close. I don't want to ask them to do that too much (I am sure with the rent they pay they can dictate terms to the tower owners, if they are not the owners (not sure)). I bought an RF radiation suit. Unless I am going to be very close for a long period (hours), I just work in the suit. I also had a Narda RF monitor, until it had a 460' fall - oops. The bottom line is 50-300 MHz is very dangerous for human exposure. It will cook you like a microwave oven starting with your eyes and testicles. Be careful Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless On 1/24/06, Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curious if anyone here has co-located on an FM tower? If so care to share your experiences? Thanks, Chadd -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history
I was a HUGE Trango basher on another list. I had the water problems with the 5830 units. I can say that after making me mad as hell in the past, they do seem to have made improvements. They repaired some of my old (out of warranty) units at no charge and even sent me a rebate for one that they charged me to repair a long time ago. Brad Hagstrom, Jenco Wireless On 1/18/06, Chadd Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am probably far more cynical than most but I really hope that Trango has made a turn around as a company with the latest round of changes. I tend to remember the bad things more than the good. WARNING this is a list of the BAD things!! Good things are at the bottom... I remember purchasing link 10's as soon as they were released and spending time on the phone with at the time their rude tech support department trying to figure out why they were locking up randomly requiring a power cycle to get them back online. Only to find out from them that I was the only one in the world having this problem and it must be because I don't know how to install them. Low and behold a month or so later they release a firmware fix for the 30 or so Day lock up issue that didn't exist. I remember fighting with the 58xx form factor units filling up with water and destroying the ethernet ports on them. Again I spent a lot of time with the same rude tech support department trying to explain to them that it was a pressure/temp difference causing water to be pulled into the units. Again only to be accused of not knowing what I was doing and that I had to be installing the units upside down. What do you know after fighting with them about RMA repairs and such on the units they issue a statement about a month later to not tighten the strain relief all the way on the radio so they could breath and not pool water on the inside. I spent a Thanksgiving on a tower because of this. I remember buying and deploying a 900AP and having pissed off potential customers because I couldn't get any SU's to do their installs. Also getting to my 15th SU and trying to figure out why the web interface was hosed and I couldn't add any more subs to it. Again another firmware fix. I remember power supplies not having enough output to run the heaters on longer cable runs and having to buy new wall worts for some units. I remember fighting and scrounging trying to find a switch that would properly work with the ethernet ports on the units. I remember condensation building up on the inside of the random on 5.x units causing 30+ db of fade taking out links left and right. This is still an issue on units I have not replaces with external antennas I remember prices being jacked around. The various changes in distribution models and not knowing who I was going to get units from and how much was I going to have to pay for them. You know what even after all of this I still buy and deploy some Trango equipment, but it burns me every time I buy more stuff from them. These problems would have been much more tolerable if they would have been decent to work with and not so arrogant about insisting they werent having problems. THE GOOD stuff!!! I also remember setting up my first long BH 14 miles with a Link-10 and seeing 8ms latency and advertised throughput on the link. Hooking up a few dozen customers on T900 that I could never touch in the past with 2.4 or 5.x. I also get better throughput, distance and latency than with my Alvarion 900 customers, alvarion is a master and noise avoidance though when compared to T900. My link-10's just hum right along since the bugs were fixed. Besides the condensation issue on the INT units. I do think they are getting a bit better with regards to customer relations though and their tech support department was very personable and willing to help out last time I had to call them. So I hope this is a sign of things to come from them. I have been beating my head on the wall trying to figure out what equipment I want to use for a few new POP's this year and admit it would be nice if Trango pulled it together with a good line up of cost effective, feature rich and most of all bug free equipment early this year to add to my list of choices. Sorry for the rambling Chadd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TRANGO- changes history I'm not sure if everyone really truly realizes what has just happened. It took an hour or two for it to really sink in, I think I must have been in shock. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/233 - Release Date: 1/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers
About $500 plus shipping. I use mine all the time !!! Seriously, just got done checking some cards from an AP that got hit by lightning a few days ago (yes, in January !). It is so nice to know for sure they are OK and I can reuse with piece-of-mind. The PoE suppressor did its job this time (last time I lost everything). Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless) On 1/6/06, Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jenco Wireless wrote: You may want to look at www.bvsystems.com. Their BumbleBee unit does 900, 2.4, and 5.8. It interfaces with a PDA, so that gives you an idea of the size. I don't own one yet, but I will (hopefully) someday soon. I do have their Butterfly power meter and I wouldn't give it up for anything now that I have one !! Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless How much is the Butterfly -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers
The three models are the freq's in red (1), the freq's in blue (2), and Wi-MAX. I want the red one !! Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless) On 1/7/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Below, it says three different models. To me, this says it only does one at a time. AM I right? Features Specifications Frequencies Software Video Demos Options FAQs BumbleBee™ is a precision calibrated spectrum analyzer that interfaces with HP's iPAQ PocketPC. The handheld receiver measures combinations of distinct wireless bands in three different models: 900 MHz, 2.400-2.500 GHz, 5.150-5.900 GHz, 2.400-2.500 GHz, 4.940-4.990 GHz, 5.150-5.900 GHz and Wi-MAXBob Moldashel wrote: Jenco Wireless wrote: You may want to look at www.bvsystems.com. Their BumbleBee unit does 900, 2.4, and 5.8. It interfaces with a PDA, so that gives you an idea of the size. I don't own one yet, but I will (hopefully) someday soon. I do have their Butterfly power meter and I wouldn't give it up for anything now that I have one !! Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless How much is the Butterfly -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17--WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers
Wow. For the rental price on some of those you can buy one from BVS Systems. I rented one (I can't remember the name but it was an expensive unit) for $250 per week from Wave Rider. If I remember right (it has been a while), it at least covered 900 and 2.4. You should probably have some antennas of your own ready to go for testing when you get the unit. It is a big and expensive unit, so don't plan on carrying it up a tower ! Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless On 1/5/06, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in love with one of these? http://www.metrictest.com/catalog/views/rental_specials.jsp?searchTerm=Spectrum%20Analyzers Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can I get one that does 900, 2.4, and 5 gig? Who has them and how much to rent for 2 weeks to a month? -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Renting Spectrum Analyzers
You may want to look at www.bvsystems.com. Their BumbleBee unit does 900, 2.4, and 5.8. It interfaces with a PDA, so that gives you an idea of the size. I don't own one yet, but I will (hopefully) someday soon. I do have their Butterfly power meter and I wouldn't give it up for anything now that I have one !! Brad Hagstrom Jenco Wireless On 1/5/06, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jenco Wireless wrote: Wow. For the rental price on some of those you can buy one from BVS Systems. I rented one (I can't remember the name but it was an expensive unit) for $250 per week from Wave Rider. If I remember right (it has been a while), it at least covered 900 and 2.4. You should probably have some antennas of your own ready to go for testing when you get the unit. It is a big and expensive unit, so don't plan on carrying it up a tower ! You could, also, talk to Marlon. He has one for rent, or used to. Also, if you are looking to buy, he is able to sell you one through Electrocom. The Avcom units are pretty useful, and easy to use. The one that I have is built for 2.4GHz only, but they have adapters to add 600-1000MHz and 5-6 GHz. These are VERY lightweight units. I have carried mine up a tower with very little effort. Marlon's rental SA is NOT lightweight at all. :-) -- Butch Evans BPS Networks http://www.bpsnetworks.com/ Bernie, MO Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
