Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] Draft Itemsfor August 1 FCC Meeting

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Wireless]

Agree 100%

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:50 AM, G. Nicholas  wrote:
> 
> Steve and policy committee,
> 
> There is one item in the NPRM that is a change from the CAF2 letter of credit 
> rules and should be lobbied hard against as this adds increased costs for our 
> small WISPS.
> 
> In item #84  "We also propose that the letter of credit remain in place until 
> USAC and the Commission verify that a Rural Digital Opportunity
> Fund winning bidder has met its minimum coverage and service requirements at 
> the end of the six-year milestone."
> 
> As noted under item 82 "A CAF Phase II auction support recipient must only 
> maintain an open letter of credit until the recipient has certified it has 
> met the final service milestone and the certification has been verified.155"
> 
> 
> Given that WISP technology allows faster build out then fiber, many Wisps may 
> be able to meet their build-out completions in the first year.   Requiring 
> them to carry a letter of credit for 6 years could add 30% to a winning 
> bidders cost (at 5%/yr for the LOC)  these are funds that reduce the actual 
> amount available to be spent on true broadband build out.
> 
> 
> Hopefully we can make one last push to the FCC on why that is a bad idea 
> before the August meeting.
> 
> 
> Garth 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Coran, Steve
> Sent: 7/22/2019 7:55:27 AM
> To: kj...@ethoplex.com;policycommit...@wispa.org;ebow...@aristotle.net
> Cc: memb...@wispa.org;wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [PolicyCommittee] [WISPA] Draft Itemsfor
> August 1 FCC Meeting
> 
>> Some good ideas here, which need to be measured against the FCC’s 
> objectives.  In countless meetings with the FCC on CAF II rules and, more 
> recently, speed/latency testing, it is ever-apparent that the FCC wants as 
> much of this process to be a “check the box” exercise so they do not have 
> to rely on their own resources and lack of expertise to decide eligibility 
> and compliance.  For example, when we approached the FCC about expanding the 
> list of banks eligible to issue letters of credit, the concern was not 
> expanding the list but an ability of the FCC to look at some independent list 
> which would make the judgment for them.  So we went from less than 100 banks 
> on the S list to more than 3,600 banks on the Weiss list.  Requiring 
> audited financials provides a measure of independent verification from the 
> FCC.  I don’t even know if the FCC looks at the audited financials – and 
> I don’t think anyone has been disqualified based on the content of the 
> financials – they just want to know that someone independent and with 
> expertise has conducted an audit (and recall that WISPA was influential in 
> removing this requirement from the front end of the auction so that only 
> winners have to spend the money for the audit).  When it comes to assessing 
> financial wherewithal, the FCC would have no ability to look at tax returns 
> and decide who is financially viable and who is not.  Same with speed/latency 
> testing – the FCC wants to look at a list and determine the testing route, 
> not rely on every CAF recipient to provide traffic routing maps.  While we 
> can quibble with the standards the FCC adopted, I think having standards is a 
> better solution than having the FCC make independent – and by definition 
> arbitrary – judgements for each applicant.
>> 
>> Also, each CAF recipient is required to make annual certifications that it 
> has enough money for the next year to meet its obligations.  So, taken 
> together, the FCC prescribes gating criteria on the front end that enables 
> them to determine eligibility without doing any application-by-application 
> analysis and drawing lines in gray areas, and follows that up with annual 
> certifications and threat of USAC audits.  I do not see that structure 
> changing over time.
>> 
>> I do think it is worth asking the FCC to allow an RDOF applicant to post a 
> performance bond as an alternative to obtaining a letter of credit.  WISPA 
> pushed for this before, and the FCC rejected it.  The FCC is considering a 
> performance bond in the Uniendo a Puerto Rico and Connect USVI Fund programs, 
> so we will see if there is movement there.  We can also ask the FCC to reduce 
> the value of the letter of credit over time (the carrying costs can exceed 5% 
> per month), but it would be great if we had a history of CAF buildout 
> compliance on which to rely.  We may not have that at the outset of RDOF.  I 
> also like the idea about approved underwriting from other governmental 
> agencies.
>> 
>> As for a member survey, that might be more appropriate once the rules are 
> established.  The FCC has included a proposal that would make CAF-supported 
> broadband adoption a criterion – meaning that RDOF recipients would give 
> back support if subscribership in supported 

Re: [WISPA] Procera vs Sandive

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Russ Irwin is your guy Matt.  Adding him.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:35 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> I see no one replied.  I don't know the cost of Sandvine. @Paging Jeff 
> Broadwick.
> 
> Procera ends up being around ridiculously cheap when I looked at them 
> just a few days ago... like so cheap I'm stupid not to do it.
> 
>> On 2/12/17 7:29 PM, Colton Conor wrote:
>> How much does Procera and Sandive cost for WISP deployements? How are
>> these products priced, and where do they fit into the network? Which of
>> the two vendors has the better solution for WISPs, FTTH, and DSL
>> networks? Is one more focused on the WISP market than the other?
>> 
>> Do you deploy either of these two solutions? Would you deploy them again
>> if you were building from the ground up? Are there technologies required
>> when bandwidth is cheap, and the access network (GPON for example) has
>> little to no congestion?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

C058900R052A

They come with the puck but not a dish (you can buy those in 4 packs 
separately).

In stock.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Chadwick Wachs <c...@auwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> I was just looking for them too. What is the part number? I thought they 
> might be listed as the PtP link but then you get a dish you probably don't 
> want... And does the part number come with the GPS puck? 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2017 3:35 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>> They are still available.  People are using them for smaller installs and 
>> PTP links.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Was going to use these + RF element horns for a micro-cell deployment, 
>>> can't seem to find them in stock. I know the 2000 AP is out now, did that 
>>> replace the 1000 AP?
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Re: [WISPA] Is ePMP 1000 Lite AP discontinued?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They are still available.  People are using them for smaller installs and PTP 
links.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:03 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> 
> Was going to use these + RF element horns for a micro-cell deployment, can't 
> seem to find them in stock. I know the 2000 AP is out now, did that replace 
> the 1000 AP?
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[WISPA] Safety One Tower Training

[Matt Hoppes (Wireless Ninja Lists)]

Has anyone here taken the safety one tower training course?  What should be 
expected for the one day tower course?

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Re: [WISPA] DC FCC TV White Space

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

+1000!


Jeff
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 On Mar 16, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:
 
 Cameron, 
 
 I'd suggest you email/call Steve Coran who is WISPA's Communications Attorney 
 in D.C. I'm copying him in. 
 
 WISPA has been working at the FCC for more than 7 years now on WISPA's 
 unlicensed TVWS needs. 
 
 I'd respectfully request that you consider syncing-up or at least familiarize 
 yourself with the points that we are making before you go in. 
 
 Personally, I think the most important point is for the FCC to leave enough 
 white space for unlicensed when they decide what spectrum to auction off for 
 mobile broadband. It's more complex than that however so that's why I suggest 
 you talk with Steve. His office number is 202-416-6744. 
 
 Thanks, 
   jack
 
 On 3/14/2014 11:58 AM, Cameron Camp wrote:
 Through a strange series of events, I’m headed to DC next week to meet with 
 FCC staff regarding TVWS issues. I’m tag teaming with CompTIA who arranged 
 the meetings (along with another rural broadband provider from Kentucky) 
 with:
 
 Renee Gregory (Chairman Wheeler)
 
 David Goldman (Commissioner Rosenworcel)
 
 Erin McGrath (Commissioner O'Reilly)
 
 Matthew Berry and Brendan Carr (Commissioner Pai)
 
 I have put together some bullet points, but wanted to get an unprompted 
 sense from the folks on this list what I should be mentioning while I’m 
 there. How far can we get, what questions should we asking and what is a 
 practical expecation for what can be accomplished still before FCC makes the 
 decision?
 
 Best,
 Cameron Camp
 IVDataCenter.com
 
 
 
 
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 Serving the WISP Community since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so that 
we would have consistency across our network.   At this time last year, 
we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of services as 
part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for $49.95/month that 
included dialup and a public IP address sold next to a $49.95/month 4meg 
plan that did not have the dialup or public IP.   Most of the customers 
did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and we were starting to get 
2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan on our website that was 
2x the speed for the same price.   At the same time, we still had a lot 
of 384k and 640k plans with people who were complaining about YouTube 
not working, but they were reluctant to upgrade to the next package 
because our prices were not as competitive on the lower end with the 
1.5meg dsl bundles.


What we ended up doing was this:

1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at 
the same prices
2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
speeds for the same prices
3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
speed package with the public IP added to it
4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package that 
was automatically added to each customer account, but customers were 
given the choice of opting out of the plan


After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.


The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved to 
make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really 
strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the 
resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the 
ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a bunch of 
places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher 
bandwidth customers to other access points.   There were a lot of radio 
swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end result was 
better network performance and higher customer satisfaction.


We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on access 
points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP that has 
approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 10mhz 
channel).   When the process started, we had about 27 APs that would 
have been overloaded with the new plans. As of today, we have eight APs 
that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over.   When it 
comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we decided to 
make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on the access 
point was not exceeded.


Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining StarOS 
access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many old 
Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in places 
where capacity starts to get overloaded.   I am not looking forward to 
the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do and it will 
keep us competitive for the next few years.


Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014!

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote:
I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to existing 
customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get that service 
will beat on you to make some sort of change to get it to them, like a 
closer site.

*From:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
*Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2013 8:34 PM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Cc:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography
What we have done is offer the same packages across the board. If you 
can't get at least the package you want we don't install you.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 21:11, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com 
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote:


We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to 
offer different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 
or slightly sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn't be able to promote 
these packages across the board. Was curious if others are offering 
packages to different areas that would not be possible in some? And 
if so, do you get any backlash from those who cannot get those 
packages? Is it appropriate to offer extended packages to users on 
one tower when another tower down the road 

Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Why would you give customers a public IP?   That is nuts as far as I am 
concerned.   Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple towers, 
you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely separate 
for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route edge traffic 
to multiple backbone providers, you can move between backbone providers 
without having to re-ip all customers, customers are not exposed to 
external virus traffic...


I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome.   I see no 
reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Your customers don't get a public IP?

I'll never understand why people do this.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so 
that we would have consistency across our network.   At this time last 
year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets of 
services as part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for 
$49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next to 
a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public IP.   
Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or dialup, and 
we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about the 4meg plan 
on our website that was 2x the speed for the same price.   At the same 
time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans with people who were 
complaining about YouTube not working, but they were reluctant to 
upgrade to the next package because our prices were not as competitive 
on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles.


What we ended up doing was this:

1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds at 
the same prices
2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
speeds for the same prices
3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
speed package with the public IP added to it
4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package 
that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers 
were given the choice of opting out of the plan


After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.


The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved 
to make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a really 
strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what the 
resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since the 
ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a bunch of 
places where we needed to add capacity or just needed to move higher 
bandwidth customers to other access points.   There were a lot of 
radio swaps and service calls involved in that process, but the end 
result was better network performance and higher customer satisfaction.


We set a 4:1 bandwidth ratio as our preferred point of upgrade on 
access points - meaning we can sell 40meg of customers plans on an AP 
that has approximately 10meg of capacity (such as a 2.4ghz 802.11g on 
10mhz channel).   When the process started, we had about 27 APs that 
would have been overloaded with the new plans.   As of today, we have 
eight APs that are over 4:1, and six of those are just barely over.   
When it comes to the speeds that we offer in any particular area, we 
decided to make all speeds available, as long as the oversell ratio on 
the access point was not exceeded.


Going into next year, my plan is to replace all of our remaining 
StarOS access points with either Airmax or Mikrotik, swap out as many 
old Tranzeo radios as possible and add sectors and microcells in 
places where capacity starts to get overloaded.   I am not looking 
forward to the pricetag on this work, but it is the right thing to do 
and it will keep us competitive for the next few years.


Happy New Year everyone, and have a great 2014!

Matt Larsen
Vistabeam.com

On 12/31/2013 8:19 AM, heith petersen wrote:

I assume the same would apply if you introduce new plans to
existing customers as well? I assume customers that cannot get

Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[lists]

I like to assign a /24 to each access point to cover all of the IP
addresses needed for customers and CPE radios.  No need to have public IP
addresses on a CPE.   So if you use publics for customers, you have to
setup another subnet of privates for the CPE radios.   More complexity.  
If you do publics, that means a minimum of two IPs on each end user subnet.
 That is kind of a waste.

PPPoE is another point of failure and complexity both at the core and at
the customer.   No desire to go there.

Plus, if someone wants a public IP for their gaming or VPN or security
system, I charge an extra $9.95/month for it.

More cheddar!

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 14:55:05 -0600, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net
wrote:
 You can do all the routing magic with PPPoE (has it's own cost).  Or 
 with dynamic routing (OSPF and BGP).
 
 You can easily firewall the customers so they look just like a NATed IP 
 (basically drop all !related !established traffic).
 
 I give publics because I got tired of users complaining about strict NAT

 on their gaming consoles and issues with crappy VPNs.
 
 Also go tired of managing 1-1 NATs for the ever growing list of 
 customers with security cameras, remote light controls and other home 
 automation/security products.  It still boggles my mind that I have 
 customers that have home security systems and cameras installed, but 
 they don't lock their doors.
 
 
 
 
 On 12/31/2013 02:09 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Why would you give customers a public IP?   That is nuts as far as I 
 am concerned.   Private IPs are easier to manage across multiple 
 towers, you can setup routing properly so that subnets are completely 
 separate for each AP, you can pick and choose how and where to route 
 edge traffic to multiple backbone providers, you can move between 
 backbone providers without having to re-ip all customers, customers 
 are not exposed to external virus traffic...

 I mean I could go on and on about why carrier-NAT is awesome. I see no 
 reason to mess with public IPs unless forced to.

 Matt Larsen
 vistabeam.com

 On 12/31/2013 12:17 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Your customers don't get a public IP?

 I'll never understand why people do this.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 *From: *Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:09:48 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

 This last year, we finished unification of all our rate plans so 
 that we would have consistency across our network.   At this time 
 last year, we had several plans that had overlap and different sets 
 of services as part of the plans.  For example, a 2meg plan for 
 $49.95/month that included dialup and a public IP address sold next 
 to a $49.95/month 4meg plan that did not have the dialup or public 
 IP.   Most of the customers did not use public IP addresses or 
 dialup, and we were starting to get 2meg customers complaining about 
 the 4meg plan on our website that was 2x the speed for the same 
 price.   At the same time, we still had a lot of 384k and 640k plans 
 with people who were complaining about YouTube not working, but they 
 were reluctant to upgrade to the next package because our prices were 
 not as competitive on the lower end with the 1.5meg dsl bundles.

 What we ended up doing was this:

 1)  Replace the 384k and 640k plans with 1meg and 1.5meg speeds 
 at the same prices
 2)  Bump up all existing 1meg and 2meg customers to 2meg and 3meg 
 speeds for the same prices
 3)  Eliminate public IP addresses being included with plans, made 
 them a separate monthly charge and adjusted customers to have a new 
 speed package with the public IP added to it
 4)  Later in the year we established a maintenance fee package 
 that was automatically added to each customer account, but customers 
 were given the choice of opting out of the plan

 After doing all of this, we ended up having a much more competitive 
 service on the low end, fewer customer complaints about YouTube and 
 other sites from low end customers, and our revenue went up - mostly 
 because of the addition of the maintenance package.   Any plan 
 inconsistencies between customers and areas were also resolved.

 The toughest part of this plan was the pre-planning that was involved 
 to make it happen.   We did a ton of customer data cleanup and plan 
 adjustment over the summer, but that was work that needed to be done 
 anyway because of a lot of random, nonstandard plan changes that 
 employees had been doing as shortcuts.We also had to take a 
 really strong look at oversub ratios on our access points and what 
 the resulting oversub ratios would be with the plan changes, since 
 the ratios would generally double.   In doing so, we identified a 
 bunch of places

Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's more a space issue than a moderation issue, if you have a small room.

Jeff
Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 24, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:
 
 I wouldn't be as worried as to the who as long as there is a good moderator 
 in the room to keep it under control.
 
 On 10/24/2013 12:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote:
 You’d almost have to have some rules about who is allowed in the room…kinda 
 like ISP-CEO.   Not sure how you’d structure that though.
  
  
 Regards,
  
 Jeff Broadwick
 Bitlomat Sales Director
 847-238-2481 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell
 www.bitlomat.com
 https://www.facebook.com/Bitlomat
 http://www.linkedin.com/company/bitlomat
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Rick Harnish
 Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:26 PM
 To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations
  
 Yep, that is exactly where we are heading.  Maybe longer, smaller, detailed 
 sessions with 1-2 presenters instead of panels. 
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Joe Miller
 Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:21 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations
  
 I agree with Mike,
  
 As an older WISP, the general discussions are getting to be less of a
value every year.
  
 Thanks Mike for pointing that out.
  
 Joe Miller
 www.dslbyair.com
 228-831-8881
  
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:37 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013 Presentations
  
 I spoke with a few people and we were talking about small sessions that 
 would maybe fit in those rooms at the end of the hall with more detailed 
 conversation, whatever the topic. The more experienced WISP will find less 
 and less value in the generic sessions, but maybe one that goes into detail 
 on BGP, some facet of marketing or accounting, LTE, etc. What topics I don't 
 know off hand. These types of sessions could go on for 2 or 3 hours. Perhaps 
 more interactive.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
  
 From: Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:58:52 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Wispapalooza 2013   Presentations
 
 Hello,
  
 If you were not able to make it to Wispapalooza this year you 
 missed a great show.  If you did thank you for   making it a 
 great show.  We will be sending out a survey soon looking for your feedback. 
  All feedback is welcome.  Even though the show has been better and better 
 each year we need to make sure we are catering to your needs.  One bit of 
 great feedback from Marlon was to have expert sessions.  We would find 
 experts on the topic and they would dive deep into it.
  
 Below is the schedule of the show with links to the 
 presentations.  I am still missing a few, but as soon as I get them I will 
 send an update out.
  
 I am also still working on my sample contracts and evaluations 
 for the mergers and acquisitions presentation.  I have to scrub out the 
 names of the companies we bought so it takes some time to get it done.  As 
 soon as I have that done I will send it out as well.
  
 Thanks
  
  
 Sessions good for a new WISP.
  
 Saturday 12th
PON Fiber Ecosystem Overview
Vault and Fiber Management
Fiber Optic Cable Handling and Specifics
What is Engineering  Excel Worksheet
ONT, OLT and Software Management
  
 Sunday 13th
IPTV– Foundation and Generations
  
 Monday 14th
No Presentations
  
 Tuesday 15th
Vendor Introductions
  
 2:30
Spectrum Hurtz so good
Customer Service
WISP 101  Key Spectrum  FCC Regulatory Checklist  Mapping and Billing 
 Expect A Profit
  
 3:45 
 How to hire the right people for installer and support (Wisper 
 Hiring Process)
Fiber Economics in Small Towns
As we grow – Learn how to  protect yourself against legal issues
  
 Wednesday 16th
 9:00
Getting Address Space from ARIN
New Business Opportunities: Small Cells and Wholesale DAS
Layer 2 Vs. Layer 3, PPPOE vs DHCP
  
 10:15
Business Challenges 1 – 1,000
Business Challenges 1,001 – 3,000
Business Challenges  3,000
  
 2:30
How to Develop a Sales force In-House and Agent Programs
Merger  Acquisitions – Financial Benchmarking based on WISP Size
VOIP form the Technical Side (No Presentation)
  
 3:45
Benefiting from BTOP  BIP without taking a dime
Troubleshooting Methodology
TV White Space Update: Equipment and Deployment Success
  
 Thursday 17th
 9:00
Business-to-Business Marketing 

[WISPA] Amazon Wireless coming soon??

[Lists]

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-amazon-globalstar-20130823,0,4792322.story

Looks like they are trying to get a Wifi channel opened up that we could be 
using. They threw the term Managed in there as well.

Curt

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Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Wouldn't the fact that 2.5GHz is licensed minimize the chance that there would 
be outside interference?  I don't know, I'm asking.

Jeff
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On Jul 16, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com wrote:

 ·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization
 
 How do they figure this?
 
 I think it should be Low susceptibility due to SELF interference.
 
 900 in my area, California Central Valley east of the Bay Area, is almost 
 useless for 900 as the power companies have put in smart meters
 
 Tim
 CV-Access, Inc.
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:53 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 
 900MHZ Frequency Range
 
 Just got this today:
 
 This sounds interesting anyone have any thoughts?  900MHz always
 gets the propagation advertisement, but my experience has been that
 while it propagates better, the gain limitations and size of reasonable
 antennas make it unusable.
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ
 Frequency Range
 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:16:18 +0300
 From: Asa Yanai a...@runcom.com
 To: undisclosed-recipients:;
 
 
 
 __
 
 Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products:
 
 v*New 4G/WIMAX  Solution at 900MHZ Frequency Range *
 
 *Combines long Range , High Capacity and low susceptibility to
 Interference *
 
 ·Long Range - due to 900MHz propagation
 
 ·Non Line of Sight – due to 900MHZ propagation and OFDMA technology
 (unique to 4G)
 
 ·High Capacity – due to 4G/WIMAX  high spectral efficiency (4
 bits/sec/Hz) and MIMO utilization
 
 ·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization
 
 ·Base Stations and Outdoor CPE's available now
 
 v*New Enhanced WIMAX Base Station with Radius Interface. *
 
 ·IEEE.802.16e compliant
 
 ·Enables stand alone connection to the NOC without the need of ASN Gateway
 
 ·For additional features please refer to the attached  brochure
 
 For more information please contact :
 
 */Asa Yanai/*
 
 RUNCOM USA
 
 V.P Business Development  Marketing USA
 
 Cell: 917 848 3753
 
 Email: a...@runcom.com mailto:a...@runcom.com
 
 or
 
 */Israel Koffman/*
 
 VP Marketing and Sales
 
 USA Mobile Phone: 1-646-530-1502
 
 Skype: Israel.Koffman
 
 FAX:+972-3-9528805
 
 Websites: www.runcom.com http://www.runcom.com/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Friday - Canopy Eqpt repost

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Animal Farm Microwave Users Group

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:37 PM, David Williamson 
dwilliam...@customcomputersva.com wrote:

 Not to sound dumb, but what is AFMUG?  J
 
 David Williamson
 Winchester Wireless
 
  
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Doug Clark
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Friday - Canopy Eqpt repost
  
 
 Why dont you list it over on AFMUG?  I would think that you would get a lot 
 more response from the Cambium group. 
  
  
  
  
 ---Original Message---
  
 From: Clay Stewart
 Date: 2/15/2013 3:58:42 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Friday - Canopy Eqpt repost
  
 I am re-listing a set of Canopy Radios for a failed WISP start-up. I finally 
 took over their fiber point legally this week. I was held up on the first 
 listing having to wait for the acquisition of the companies other assets 
 (fiber point).
  
 I have been asked to post and ask for offers. If my client does not get some 
 value in his head, he will keep them and use them at another location. The AP 
 and couple CPEs were field mounted and tested, rest are in boxes. The company 
 did not know about the low tree penetration and licensing requirements for 
 3.65Ghz (area is in a Verizon Earth Station).
  
 Items with original purchase prices
  
 3630APC 3.65 Ghz Connectorized AP 
3,291.60
 3.3-3.8 Ghz 16.5 DBI Gain 90 Degree Sector DUAL   
 384.40
 CMM w/Ruggedized Switch, GPS module   
   1,984.00
 (25) HK1941A Subscriber Modules 3.65 Ghz w/power supplies  7,450.00
 (25) Canopy Power Cords   
 140.00
 Canopy PMP-320 Stand-alone power supply   
  42.50
  
 Total original price for all less shipping:   
13,292.50
  
  
 I am just listing for a client, not charging anything for effort.
  
 I would like to sale the whole list as a whole, but will pass along any other 
 offers.
  
 Shipping should be around $270 for everything.
  
 Please serious offers only, did I say I am not making anything on listing and 
 boxing these items!
  
 But also serious, these are basically new or like-new items, good deal I 
 would think.
 
  
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Re: [WISPA] KY show in April

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

That hotel is normally twice the WISPA rate...and it's virtually attached to 
the conference center.  I looked at Hotwire and couldn't find anything more 
reasonable nearby.  I suppose you could find something further out.

Jeff

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

 I have no problem with the $498 I paid to WISPA for the conference.
 
 I have no problem with my yearly membership to WISPA.  I think it is worth 
 every penny.
 
 I am also one of those who has no interest in Vegas and who pestered Rick for 
 another Mid-West show like St. Louis.  (Thanks, Rick!!  And for the next 
 non-Vegas conference, let's be thinking AL,AR,MS,OK,TN,TX.  After all, Vegas 
 as anchor pretty much covers the west.)   
 
 But,  I can't justify $126+tax for a room I'll be in 9-10 hours a day, and 
 asleep most of that!  And that extra $250 is, well, $250.  I can think of a 
 lot of things I'd rather spend $250 on than a room to sleep in.
 
 Maybe it is just a different way of looking at things.  When we go out on 
 vacation, most of the time we are in Motel 6 or Super 8.  We drive and look 
 at things and stop where ever things look interesting.
 
 Technically, this is work.  I'm less likely to spend more on a motel for work 
 than for play!  
 
 And I am not complaining... I was just looking to see if I was alone... Seems 
 not.
 
 --
 
 
 On 2/9/2013 12:45 AM, Joel White wrote:
 Or you could look at the advantages of staying on location, supporting WISPA 
 that went out of their way to get a location that would support the 
 conference yet be affordable to the 500 mile radius that a majority of the 
 WISPS are in. Or just accept that no matter what you do you can never 
 satisfy everyone. Remember that any conference needs volume to get a reduced 
 rate. Stay elsewhere and the numbers go down. Jmo.
 
 Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 
 Ya that's my usual plan :)
 
 There's actually a meta search site that aggregates them for me.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Feb 8, 2013 11:29 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:
  Hotwire.com is your friend.
 
 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Friday, February 8, 2013 11:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] KY show in April
 
 Where was 50/night?
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
 On Feb 8, 2013 11:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net 
 wrote:
  
 Many of us are cheap...that's why we're still here. :)
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Blair Davis
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:51 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] KY show in April
 
 Is anyone else looking to save some cash by staying a mile or two away 
 instead of right downtown?
 
 To me, $126 a nite +tax is a LOT for a motel room.
 
 Especially when I can find places within 4 miles for less than $50 a nite 
 + tax.
 
 I can't believe that parking or a taxi will cost more than $75 a day...
 
 Maybe I'm just cheap, but the only time I've ever paid more than $69 a 
 night was for a special weekend away.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Farewell and good luck to you all!!!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Best wishes Dylan!

Jeff

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On Feb 1, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Dylan Bouterse dy...@corp.power1.com wrote:

 It is with a heavy heart I send this email to you all to let you know I am 
 moving on from my current employment and even this industry to the next step 
 in my career. I've been a part of this group for 8.5 years and I've enjoyed 
 being a part of the discussions (usually more passive) and observing and 
 participating in growing the community we all love. A large majority of you 
 I've probably never met, but we may have brushed shoulders at a WISPA shows, 
 or others. I want to thank each and every one of you for your continued 
 participation in this industry and I hope it continues to grow by leaps and 
 bounds. You are all an inspiration and example of what a grass roots 
 organization can do when determined and led by fantastic people.
 
 The next step in my career is taking me to Raleigh (from Central Florida) 
 into a pre-sales solutions engineer position for data center products. I'm 
 excited for this next BIG step in life as it will be a BIG change for me, not 
 only professionally but personally as well.
 
 If any of you want to keep in touch, please email me directly before next 
 Friday and I'll be happy share my personal email address with you.
 
 Again, thank you to all of you and good luck in your future endeavors!
 
 Dylan
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Keep in mind that it's Vyatta's routing implementation, not UBNT's.  I'd check 
on their roadmap for MPLS.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote:

 What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want 
 MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their 
 egotistic mentality. 
 
 Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?
 
 On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
 
 On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
 I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
 certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
 the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
 freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
 breath.
 
 Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
 people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
 available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
 expensive end of town.
 
 For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
 profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
 is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
 switch that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
 and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
 really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
 shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
 then you probably are using MPLS.
 
 There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
 they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
 if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
 it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
 more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
 of other systems).
 
 
 On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
 On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
 a
 Cisco or a Juniper?
 
 On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote:
 
 The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
 Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
 routerOS?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router

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They either developed it in-house or licensed a 3rd party MPLS product.  
ImageStream worked on and off for years trying to fill in the massive holes of 
the open source version.  Made progress, but never enough to release.  I don't 
think anyone has all 47 or so RFCs covered in a Linux implantation.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:

 Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were 
 out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that 
 they developed it themselves.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
 
 On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
 I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
 certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
 the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
 freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
 breath.
 
 Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
 people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
 available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
 expensive end of town.
 
 For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest 
 profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS 
 is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a 
 switch that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) 
 and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't 
 really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled 
 shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, 
 then you probably are using MPLS.
 
 There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since 
 they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to 
 if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with 
 it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are 
 more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot 
 of other systems).
 
 
 On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
 On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
 a
 Cisco or a Juniper?
 
 On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote:
 
 The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
 Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
 routerOS?
 
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Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for Colorado ISP's..

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Not to shift the focus too much but

The environmentals were not the primary concern.   The environmentals 
were the loophole that a clever lawyer used to get the project stopped 
dead in its tracks.   At this point, I think WISPs that are being 
overbuilt by these kind of government supported boondoggles should be 
looking for the loopholes and building up community support for getting 
these kinds of projects stopped dead in their tracks or at a minimum 
restructured to be more open and useable by alternative providers such 
as WISPs.

I lost an anchor institution (school district) to EagleNet in Colorado, 
and the pricing structure to use their networks was a joke.   The lowest 
connection they sold was 300meg and it was going to be something like 
$2000/month to connect two points across their network.   It is open 
access in name only.

Matt Larsen
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On 12/7/2012 7:40 AM, chris cooper wrote:
 The important thing to remember is that each application had to be
 submitted with an environmental plan attached.  Winning applicants had
 their environmental documents submitted for environmental review and
 approval.  Awardees can't deviate from the approved environmental plan,
 at least not without additional environmental approvals from EPA, USFS,
 USFWS etc.  If they did indeed get hung up for environmental reasons
 this could have nothing whatsoever to do with the perceived or actual
 merits of the project.  If whatever they were doing caused them to
 violate the terms of an EIS or caused them to need to prepare an EIS
 then that alone is a show stopper.  The awarding agencies want these
 projects to get built but awardees have to follow the law.

 Chris Cooper
 Intelliwave

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
 Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for
 Colorado ISP's..

 At 12/7/2012 08:56 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 The environmental certifications aren't what bother me (well, it
 bothers me that they need them in the first place), but that they
 were building where they weren't funded for.
 I can understand some of the environmental rules; digging up the
 ground in wetlands and other sensitive areas can be quite
 harmful.  However, the actual processes are probably a lot more
 details and complex than they need to be, especially since nothing
 spills out of a communications conduit or fiber pipe.

 But it was a convenient way to call ENA out for building where they
 were not supposed to.  They were apparently trying to reach their
 percentage milestones by building fiber in low-cost prairie areas of
 eastern Colorado instead of high-cost mountains of western
 Colorado.  Only others had already built in the east, with REA
 funding, so it wasn't needed there, and it left the west
 unserved.  ENA (and NTIA) were given several offers to settle, but
 turned them down, or pretended to accept them but went ahead anyway.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 - Original Message -
 From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:06:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: I have to share this.. Its BIG news for
 Colorado ISP's..

 At 12/6/2012 06:56 PM, Ryan Ghering wrote:
 probably will be tomorrow.. I got a call from my Boss who got a call
 from Greg Brophy who got a call from Cory Gardner..
 Then I found the tweets..

 Cory's tweet
 Rep. Cory Gardner @repcorygardner

 BREAKING: Grant suspended for govt funded broadband provider
 EAGLE-Net
 due to ongoing concerns relating to compliance with grant rules
 The suspension letter was posted on the ntia web site.  However, that
 site is not very reliable, and doesn't seem to be up now.  A copy was
 downloaded by the lawyer who has been leading the opposition to ENA
 (I've been helping him out a bit myself) and he sent it to me.

 ENA's grant was suspended on (theoretically) environmental
 grounds.  By not building where they had originally proposed, and by
 not doing full environmental review of the actual revised routes that
 they were building, they were in violation of the grant.  So they are
 frozen.  They can get permission to start building again if they can
 complete the various requirements (quite a few, actually) that they
 are not in compliance with.  Of course the easiest way to do that
 would be to go back to the originally-approved plan.  You know, the
 one whose maps were redacted in the original public form of the
 application by having a black box layer placed atop them in the
 multi-layered PDF... gee that isn't hard to remove in OpenOffice, is
 it?
 :-)

 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:
 is there a news article or something???


 On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 

Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Baaaackkkk!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

If you aren't on the map, you don't exist to the Feds...not a good situation to 
be in, in this regulatory climate.

Jeff

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On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

 At 11/30/2012 10:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  boundary==_NextPart_000_031F_01CDCEE3.F0FCA680
 Content-Language: en-us
 
 I don’t think it is fruitless at all.  I’m sure there are a lot of companies 
 (DSL, Satellite, Mobile and some cable) that are on the map but cannot 
 guarantee sustained speeds of 4 by 1.  Actually, the 4 by 1 criteria is what 
 is being suggested in the rewrite.  It has not been adopted yet.  
 
 Satellite and mobile coverage are not considered served for the purposes of 
 finding a USF unsubsidized competitor; WISPs and wireline services are.
 
 But Rick's last sentence is important:  This is a proposal, not yet a rule.  
 It is open for Comment.  They are trying to find a way to give away more USF 
 money, and disqualifying more unsubsidized competitors (WISPs) is one option 
 on the table.  Comments that take exception to that approach could help 
 influence them. 
 
 The FNPRM proposes selecting between two alternative approaches.  One is to 
 raise the unsubsidized bar to 4/1.  The other is to end Phase I and put the 
 remaining money into Phase II, which comes later.  Certainly the latter 
 approach is better for WISPs in the short term.  If the extended Phase I 
 approach is used, you could comment that raising it from 768/200 to 4/1 is 
 excessive, and perhaps say a 1.5/384 standard is more appropriate.  Even 
 Canopy 100 can probably claim that (if it's not loaded), though YMMV.
 
 So being on the map doesn't hurt and may help.
 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Doug Clark
 Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Connect America Fund -- It's Bc!
 
  
 
 Correct me if I am wrong here Rick,  it will be fruitless to do the map 
 unless you are able to maintain customer speeds of 4megs down and 1 meg up.  
 If you service your customer at speeds lower
 
 than that then it does not matter, the FCC will fund the Telcos...
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Radios as routers

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I do...it used to say his Motorola Startac...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote:

  ...now for  a little bit  of a distraction...
 
 Sent from a Apple Newton
 
 Every time I see the above  tag line on Gino's email... I cannot help but 
 crack a smile...
 
 now how many folks know what an Apple Newton was ?
 
 
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
 
 On 10/13/2012 11:33 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 It can be done with Mk and Canopy, both support qinq
 
 Sent from a Apple Newton
 
 
 On Oct 13, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Tim Densmore 
 tdensm...@tarpit.cybermesa.com wrote:
 
 Hi Fred,
 
 I think a lot of the confusion here comes from the fact that you're
 using generic terms like switching and VLAN to describe complex
 Metro-E/Carrier-E scenarios.  Standard VLANs break up broadcast domains,
 but they don't create virtual circuits or provide total isolation - this
 is one of the reasons I initially asked what you were describing.
 Metro-e q-in-q with stag/ctag UNIs and EVCs behave much differently than
 standard packet switched ethernet dot1q VLANs in that regard.  I'd
 reference the different metro-e IEEE standards if I were smart enough to
 keep them all in my head or unlazy enough to look them up.
 
 Tons of info available at metroethernetforum.org for folks who are
 trying to figure out what I'm talking about.
 
 I'd be extremely impressed to learn that you could do a decent metro-e
 roll-out with ubnt and mt.  In the WISP world, I'd expect single-tagged
 dot1q VLANs to be enough to differentiate customer traffic, even in
 large-ish MPOP scenarios.  How many POPs generally hang off a single
 network segment before hitting a router?
 
 Thanks for the interesting discussion!
 
 TD
 
 On 10/12/2012 10:14 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing.  It is allowing only
 the VLAN to go from A to B, while nothing else goes to A or B, and the
 VLAN is invisible to everyone else.  Which is really virtual circuit
 behavior; VLAN is the legacy name of the VC ID.
 
 In CE switching, then, the VLAN receives no broadcasts from anyone
 else on the switch or network, and sends no broadcasts outside.  What
 goes onto that mapped port, or onto a VLAN pre-tagged to go to that
 port, is totally and completely invisible to all other users.  So it's
 secure enough for public safety use on a shared PMD.  This is
 different from a bridge, where broadcasts go everywhere.  One type of
 MEF service (EP-LAN) does actually emulate a LAN with 2 ports and
 broadcasts among them, but the more common EPL and EVPL would not know
 a broadcast frame from anything else, since they just pass the MAC
 addresses transparently.
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[WISPA] Next Step

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

This week my career with ImageStream/Blue Technology will come to an end.
It's been a 12 year run (to the day!) filled with highs and lows...but far
more highs. I've made lifelong friends, both co-workers and customers. I was
able to travel the world. We sold great products to great people. I want to
thank J.C. Utter, Scott Yoder, Doug Hass, and Laraine Mastrianna for the
trust and encouragement that they provided me at various points in those 12
years.

Working with WISPs and with WISPA has been, and will continue to be a
highlight of my career!  

I'm looking forward to where God will direct me for the next phase of my
career.  If you have any thoughts or potential opportunities, I'd LOVE to
hear from you!  My contact information is below.

Thank you all for your friendship and support! 



Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] Next Step

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Thanks Brad, 

Will do!

Regards,

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 10:11 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Next Step

Jeff,

Always enjoy your input on the various topics discussed.  Keep me posted as
to where you end up.

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 9:03 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Next Step

Hi All,

This week my career with ImageStream/Blue Technology will come to an end.
It's been a 12 year run (to the day!) filled with highs and lows...but far
more highs. I've made lifelong friends, both co-workers and customers. I was
able to travel the world. We sold great products to great people. I want to
thank J.C. Utter, Scott Yoder, Doug Hass, and Laraine Mastrianna for the
trust and encouragement that they provided me at various points in those 12
years.

Working with WISPs and with WISPA has been, and will continue to be a
highlight of my career!  

I'm looking forward to where God will direct me for the next phase of my
career.  If you have any thoughts or potential opportunities, I'd LOVE to
hear from you!  My contact information is below.

Thank you all for your friendship and support! 



Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Next Step

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Thanks Butch!

Regards,

Jeff
jlbroadw...@att.net
574-220-7826 (Cell)
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 12:23 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Next Step

On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 10:03 -0400, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
 This week my career with ImageStream/Blue Technology will come to an end.
 It's been a 12 year run (to the day!) filled with highs and lows...but far
 more highs. 

I can't remember exactly when I met you, Jeff, but I'd guess it was very
close to the beginning of that 12 year span.  There are a lot of people
in this industry who I can say are men of integrity and without
reservation, I'd put you at the top of that list.  You have been a good
friend to the industry, WISPA and for me personally.  I honestly hope
whatever you find leaves you among us in some capacity, as our industry
needs men like you.  I will add you to my prayer list and please do keep
us posted once you do find a place.  

-- 

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* http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering *
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

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I agree with your conclusions Jack, but it is absolutely a tax.

 

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

 

I see sending any kind of WISPA release as just election-year political
gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us.  

This so-called tax is just being shifted from voice to broadband. The
FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend broadband to everyone. 

Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of business. The
USF  tables have been heavily tilted against us because in the past (like 5
years ago) WISPs were not a player at the government level. We were not
organized enough then to show up and make our voice heard. Now we are
organized, our voice is being heard and we're making pretty decent headway.
I'd say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to advance our
industry and leave the tax and spend gamesmanship to the professional
politicians. 

jack



On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:

I wonder if it would benefit us to send a New Tax Coming to a Constituent
Near You release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a
new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will
only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero
benefit?  Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians
running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in.

I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the USF
to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a
hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we
shouldn't be afraid to say it.

Forbes

On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 

Throw out that word tax and everyone gets all excited but this is really
old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF
program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the
boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few
are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want
subsidies (most don't) to get them. 

jack



On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270 x102

http://wlan1.com 

http://towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ 

http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/  



 






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[WISPA] Service in western VA

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Hi All,

There is a gentleman in the far south western tip of VA, just north of the
NC line that is looking for internet.  He owns 55 acres including a mountain
top.  He is about 25 miles west of Gate City.  Here are the coordinates:
36.617319, -83.060789  

Is anyone in that area?  He'd be willing to have a tower put on his
mountain.

I've copied his son, Jesse Poe on this email.  

Regards,

Jeff


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574-220-7826 (Cell)
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Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Either way, President Obama’s statement that the internet was created so
that “all companies could make money off the Internet is patently false.  

I'm not one that disregards the positive things that have come out of
(particularly) government defense and space spending, but those are side
benefits, not the primary purpose.

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to
justify big government.

At 7/31/2012 08:57 AM, Cliff Lebouef wrote:


Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?

7/24/12 The Wall Street Journal

Yes, Crovitz' article got some serious reactions from the people who were
actually there, the Internet old timers.  He began by confusing Ethernet
with Internet, perhaps because they rhyme and are both high-techy things,
which to a finance guy like him make them equivalent.  Then he completely
distorts the history of the ARPANET and how the Internet evolved from it. 
He wasn't there.  I was, and I was at BBN in the 1970s when we were building
the ARPANET for the government.  And I was at BBN in 1994 when they bought
three of the previously government-sponsored NSFnet regional nets from their
university owners and created a commercial ISP business.

Just goes to show you that when Rupert Murdoch wants to spread a lie, he'll
spread a real whopper.


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Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to justify big government.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

He said what he said Fred.  He's the guy who's supposed to be the
uber-communicator.  Did some of it get taken out of context?  Perhaps, but
the overall context of saying that your success wasn't because you were
smart or worked hard was even worse.

Back to work now.

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:23 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] That Internet invention too often wrongly cited to
justify big government.

At 7/31/2012 09:28 AM, Brad Belton wrote:

I think the point of the article is once big government got out of 
the way, private interests (i.e. businesses) ran with the idea and 
it flourished.

Yes, that was the proopaganda point he was trying to make.  But it 
was a flat-out lie when applied to the Internet.  The government 
funded the development of the Internet.  The government built and 
paid to run the Internet for years, for its own purposes.  The 
government then let more and more non-governmental users (NSFnet 
educational) onto its Internet.  All during this time, commercial 
internets (small-i) could have been built, and some were, but the 
critical mass of widespread connectivity happened when the 
government's Internet (big-I) was opened up to the general public, 
and government funding then ended.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own 
facts.  Crovitz made stuff up that was just totally wrong, two 
quadrants opposed to the truth.  He was no more accurate than 
Stalin's propagandists.

In plain fact, the key move that made any public internet possible 
was a regulatory decision made by the FCC in the mid-1970s, the 
Sharing and Resale decision.  They ordered ATT and other LECs to 
permit private lines to be shared and resold.  Before that, a private 
line could only be run between a single customers' own sites.  A line 
to your own customer was only available to licensed common 
carriers.  A BBNer, Ralph Alter, went out and got FCC approval as the 
first packet-switched common carrier, PCI, in 1973.  Shortly 
afterwards, BBN itself started up Telenet, while Tyment and Graphnet 
also got licensed.  After the Sharing and Resale decision, becoming 
an ISP didn't require a common carrier license.  Then 1980's Computer 
II decision forced the Bells to sell basic services to competitors 
if they wanted to offer enhanced services.  The revocation of that 
in 2005 led to the NN kerfuffle and the demise of more wireline ISPs.

Jeff Broadwick adds,
Either way, President Obama's statement that the internet was created so
that all companies could make money off the Internet is patently false.

Well, no.  His statement, read in context of the full paragraph, 
clearly meant something else entirely.  His so that was not meant 
as created for the express purpose of, but as its perfectly good 
alternative meaning with the effect that.  The ARPANET was created 
*not* to survive nuclear war (it was not a Strategic network) but to 
permit researchers (at industry and universities, as well as within 
the government) to share resources.  The more decentralized but still 
subsidized Internet evolved in the 1980s.  When it was privatized by 
the Clinton administration, companies could make then money off of it.

(I note that the Romney campaign has been playing the selective 
editing trick.  President Obama was clearly and plainly talking about 
highways and schools when he said, you didn't create that, but by 
editing out that reference and stringing other sentences together, he 
pretended that Obama told businessmen that they didn't create their 
own businesses.  You can pretty much make anyone seem to say anything 
that way, as Colbert viewers know.)

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[WISPA] WISPA Press Release on CenturyLink Bid to Overbuild Existing WISPs with Government $$$

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

If you aren't a member of WISPA, this is just one of the reasons that you
should be.

If you aren't on the national map, then to the Feds, you don't exist.


http://www.wispa.org/news/2012/07/19/wispa-opposes-more-funding-for-centuryl
ink-overbuild


Regards,

Jeff


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[WISPA] WISPA Press Release on CAF and CenturyLink

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If you aren't a member of WISPA, you should be.  This is a critical issue
both to individual WISPs and to the industry as a whole.  If CenturyLink can
get away with redefining broadband in this way, ANY WISP can be overbuilt
with government funds!  

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/-1678478.htm


WISPA's press release about CenturyLink's attempt to use federal money to
overbuild existing WISPs.


Regards,

Jeff


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[WISPA] Wispa Press Release

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

http://www.telecompetitor.com/wisps-target-centurylink-connect-america-fund/

It would be a good idea to continue to engage with comments.  Please be
nice!

Kudos to Matt Larson for the interview!

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
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-Original Message-
From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 9:22 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Members] (no subject)

http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/-1678478.htm

WISPA's press release about CenturyLink's attempt to use federal money to
overbuild existing WISPs.


Regards,

Jeff


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[WISPA] What you can do!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

#1 is working to ensure that you and every WISP you know is working with the
mapping efforts and filing their 477 form.  The maps were GOLD when talking
to the folks in DC.  Most don't really understand spectrum...but they can
read a map...and they know how it overlays their district!

#2 would be to attend, or help fund, WISPA's new Advocacy Day program.  We
had a great response to the first one, and will be doing one annually, and
others as needed.

#3 PLEASE get to know your Congressman/Senators and their key staffers!  You
don't have to go to DC to do that (unless of course you are trying to see
Senator Lugar...), you can go visit them in their local offices.

#4 spread the word about WISPA.  If we don't hang together, we'll hang
separately!  No one will agree with every single position a trade group
takes, but WISPA labors to ensure that we are representing the views of the
majority of our membership...and WE ARE making a difference!


Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

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Hi Chip,

I've heard a lot of concern and frustration about working with CN in some
areas.  The concern was primarily because of CN's apparent ties to the large
carriers.  The frustration was about changing methodologies and having to
submit multiple times.

Can you address these?

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Spann, Chip
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:51 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

Jeff's #1 point is spot on!  If you are not already participating in your
state's broadband map, I encourage you to do so.  Recently, we've even
created propagation studies for WISPs outside of our states so that they can
simply give an electronic file to their state mapping agent.

If you haven't participated yet and operate a system that covers any part of
AK, IA, MI, MN, NV, OH, PR, SC, TN or TX - I'd like to hear from you.

Regards,

Charles Chip Spann
Director - Engineering  Technical Services
Connected Nation, Inc.
csp...@connectednation.org
Mobile:  (270) 799-0448

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:43 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] What you can do!

Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
Thought it would be appropriate here as well:

#1 is working to ensure that you and every WISP you know is working with the
mapping efforts and filing their 477 form.  The maps were GOLD when talking
to the folks in DC.  Most don't really understand spectrum...but they can
read a map...and they know how it overlays their district!

#2 would be to attend, or help fund, WISPA's new Advocacy Day program.  We
had a great response to the first one, and will be doing one annually, and
others as needed.

#3 PLEASE get to know your Congressman/Senators and their key staffers!  You
don't have to go to DC to do that (unless of course you are trying to see
Senator Lugar...), you can go visit them in their local offices.

#4 spread the word about WISPA.  If we don't hang together, we'll hang
separately!  No one will agree with every single position a trade group
takes, but WISPA labors to ensure that we are representing the views of the
majority of our membership...and WE ARE making a difference!


Regards,

Jeff


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[WISPA] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

I've just spent an amazing two days circling the Capital, with a great group
of folks, spreading the WISP message!

We had 25 or so folks who split in to teams (the whole thing was set up and
implemented by Forbes Mercy!) and went to visit the Congressional offices
for each of the team members.  We found staffers who REALLY wanted to know
about what WISPs are doing to bring broadband to the unserved!  We got to
speak directly to a number of Congressmen and Senators too!

Some of these folks were not particularly technical.  Some were more
technical than the WISPs that visited.  The most powerful tool we had were
the state broadband maps.  EVERYONE can read a map, even if they don't know
a AP from the UP.  

My plea is this:  PLEASE make the effort to get your WISP on the state and
national maps!!!  If you aren't on there, for these folks, you don't exist.
If you aren't a member of WISPA, PLEASE join!  The power of numbers was
incredibly clear.

Lastly, I believe that these trips are going to become a regular event.  You
owe it to yourself, your business, and your industry to make every effort to
be a part of this process.  Get to know your Congressmen.  Get to know the
key staff.  Keep in touch with them.  Be a resource.  Come visit DC for an
Advocacy Day.

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's going to vary by state.  In general, participate in your state mapping
project and complete your 477 form. 

 

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

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From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 9:41 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Washington DC Trip and PLEA

 

What maps?  Connected Nation?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 18, 2012 8:15 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net wrote:

Hi All,

I've just spent an amazing two days circling the Capital, with a great group
of folks, spreading the WISP message!

We had 25 or so folks who split in to teams (the whole thing was set up and
implemented by Forbes Mercy!) and went to visit the Congressional offices
for each of the team members.  We found staffers who REALLY wanted to know
about what WISPs are doing to bring broadband to the unserved!  We got to
speak directly to a number of Congressmen and Senators too!

Some of these folks were not particularly technical.  Some were more
technical than the WISPs that visited.  The most powerful tool we had were
the state broadband maps.  EVERYONE can read a map, even if they don't know
a AP from the UP.

My plea is this:  PLEASE make the effort to get your WISP on the state and
national maps!!!  If you aren't on there, for these folks, you don't exist.
If you aren't a member of WISPA, PLEASE join!  The power of numbers was
incredibly clear.

Lastly, I believe that these trips are going to become a regular event.  You
owe it to yourself, your business, and your industry to make every effort to
be a part of this process.  Get to know your Congressmen.  Get to know the
key staff.  Keep in touch with them.  Be a resource.  Come visit DC for an
Advocacy Day.

Regards,

Jeff


Jeff Broadwick
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 tel:574-935-8484%20x106  (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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Re: [WISPA] Happy Mother's DayYour Mom deserves the best every day

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I just had to put this out on Facebook!  

Have a great day Clyde!
 


Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
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574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l)
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Clyde Messinger
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:02 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Happy Mother's DayYour Mom deserves the best every day

Your Mom deserves the BEST every day, and something extra Today...

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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I agree Faisal!  As much as we may not like the way our government runs
things, we have the right to petition, to protest, and ultimately, the
ballot box.  My hat is off to people who are able to make things work under
MUCH more difficult circumstances!

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 9:12 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

E se. Akinlolu.

Short, sweet, to the point... spoken by a person who is operating in an 
Environment that makes our Environment look like a walk in the park !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net


On 5/4/2012 2:27 AM, Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe wrote:
 This list is fun. WISPA is doing a great job. In Nigeria where I operate
our association is not doing enough to protect uss. Its not even making bad
decisions. To renew your license is really hard - easier to get a new one. I
could go on and on. Members should be grateful and either accept what they
get or join the management and effect change.


 Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
 +234(0)8023258027

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 From: Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 21:13:53
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Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Mark,

 

There is the world we'd like and then there is the world that we have.  You
may have the luxury of ignoring the world we have, but WISPA is a trade
organization that represents people who have to live in it and run their
businesses.  Whether you or I like it or not, the WISP industry operates in
spectrum that belongs to the people.and their government.  The government
has chosen to allow the FCC to be the primary decision maker about how and
if spectrum is allocated.  Before WISPA, there really was no voice for WISPs
at the FCC (unless you count Mike Anderson and Part 15).  WISPA has become a
VERY effective advocate for WISPs at the FCC and to the various government
entities.  Jack and Forbes, along with Rini/Coran have made huge progress.
We've received invaluable support from our membership in this effort.  We
are meeting later this month in DC with a number of our members, to talk to
elected and appointed officials.  They know who we are, who we represent,
and they want to know what we think of various policy options.  Before
WISPA, they pretty much just heard from the big carriers.  

 

Have there been mis-steps?  Sure.  We work to minimize those and to maximize
the benefit to ALL WISPs, particularly our membership.  

 

I've known you for a long time, and I like you and admire your passion.  We
share a lot of similar philosophies.  In my opinion, you've crossed the line
here.  You are using WISPA assets (mailing list) to trash WISPA.  If you
have an issue with WISPA; go away completely; or jump in, join, and run for
the Board.  Taking semi-annual pot-shots at the organization.on our mailing
lists, is not the right way to do things.

 

Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
+1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 12:10 AM
To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] It's been a ride... Some up, some down.

 

I knew I could count on you to demonstrate complete ignorance of What Should
Be, Because It Once Was.   

 

The founders would curse you for having no understanding.  

 

 

++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200  509-386-4589
++

 

 



I really think you seriously need to read about our founding fathers, and
how they operated, (they all did not get together and sing kumbaya at the
camp fire, neither did they pickup their scrolls of paper and walk away to
their own corners when there was disagreement )...and try to gain an
understanding on the 'Democratic Principles of Government'  on how they
function and operate.

You seem to be totally missing the last 2 thirds of the  'for the people, of
the people and by the people' , and yes it is precisely because of thinking
like yours (suggested in your own words), that the Great French Philosophers
of their time, said that the US Constitution / way of Governing is never
going to work, and it is doomed for failure  When asked why ? The
response was .. 'Simple. common people are not interested in participating
in the Governing process'.

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Is there anyone in the Santa Rosa, California area. One of our  
customers needs assistance locally for their Meraki Wifi network.  
Please contact jdipa...@cielosystems.net for further detail.

thanks,

Mike Goicoechea
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[WISPA] Help for New Pekin, Indiana

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

One of our customers (Telemedia Solutions) is located in one of the hardest
hit areas hit by the tornados in southern Indiana.  They are all fine, but a
number of people in their community have lost everything.

I asked Charlie how I might donate to these folks and he gave me the church
below that has set up a fund.  Then I thought that Wispa folks might be
interested in helping too, thus my email.

I spoke to the church.  They don't have anything up on their website yet,
but they told me that 100% of whatever is taken in will go to help these
people.  They are collecting to get a couple of cars (theirs were lost)
along with things like tarps, bedding, etc. 

Here is the contact info if you'd like to help.  At this point, you'll need
to mail a check.

Suzy Calloway
Bunker Hill Christian Church
11233 E State Road 160, Salem, IN 47167 
812-967-2341
solidr...@mymail.coop
www.bunkerhillchristianchurch.net

They are going to try to put some info on the website tonight, but as you
can imagine, they are trying to help people first.

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Help for New Pekin, Indiana

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Sorry, I was corrected by the church on the mailing address:

11499 E. State Road 160
Salem, IN 47167

Regards,

Jeff
Blue Technology Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106
574-220-7826 (Cell)
-Original Message-
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Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:32 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org
Cc: 'Charles Coon'; solidr...@mymail.coop
Subject: [WISPA Members] Help for New Pekin, Indiana

Hi All,

One of our customers (Telemedia Solutions) is located in one of the hardest
hit areas hit by the tornados in southern Indiana.  They are all fine, but a
number of people in their community have lost everything.

I asked Charlie how I might donate to these folks and he gave me the church
below that has set up a fund.  Then I thought that Wispa folks might be
interested in helping too, thus my email.

I spoke to the church.  They don't have anything up on their website yet,
but they told me that 100% of whatever is taken in will go to help these
people.  They are collecting to get a couple of cars (theirs were lost)
along with things like tarps, bedding, etc. 

Here is the contact info if you'd like to help.  At this point, you'll need
to mail a check.

Suzy Calloway
Bunker Hill Christian Church
11233 E State Road 160, Salem, IN 47167 
812-967-2341
solidr...@mymail.coop
www.bunkerhillchristianchurch.net

They are going to try to put some info on the website tonight, but as you
can imagine, they are trying to help people first.

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: ISP America

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They throw 5 pounders back on Lake Okeechobee...
 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106


 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] ISP America


Bass fishing is fun, I can do that around here though... Offshore fishing is
something I have not yet done. 

Regards,
Chuck



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote:



Chuck, go Bass fishing.  You will really like that!  We did that twice last
time we were down there, it was a blast!
I am not sure that Jim remembers it beings that he might have been in a
state of oblivion.
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Chuck Hogg mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com 
Date: 2/28/2012 11:19:18 AM
To: WISPA General  mailto:wireless@wispa.org List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP America
 
As in the 2 of us included or we're out? 

Regards,
Chuck



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:


The seats are filled.  

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 11:01 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ISP America

 

We chartered an offshore fishing trip out of Cape Canaveral on Tuesday 3/27.
There are 2 open seats.  If you're coming in early for the show and want to
go fishing Tuesday, shoot me an email off-list.  

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270 x102 tel:314-735-0270%20x102 

http://mywificoverage.com http://mywificoverage.com/ 

http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/  



 

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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale

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Or power...
 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106


 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Doug Clark
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale



I would say that 99% of all the absolute Beautiful women in the world would
take a man that has lots of money
over anything else.  Money even makes UGLY good looking!! Money is King!

 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Gary Garrett mailto:ggarr...@nidaho.net 
Date: 1/18/2012 10:10:43 PM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale
 
I figured it out by lurking on Match.com,  
All the Chicks want younger guys,  any car will do.







By the way, can anyone tell me why that hot new red convertible that I
bought doesn't seem to be helping me get any chicks? 

jack




 


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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Unsubscribing from Advertisements list

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I get two of each of them for some reason...to the same addy.

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:54 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Unsubscribing from Advertisements list

I don't mind getting the advertisements but we have an additional address
that is subscribed that shouldn't be. I'm working with Rick on it. Thank
you.

Dylan

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Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:53 PM
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If you are part of the WISPA Lists, that is a requirement to get those
advertisements .   ..  The vendors support WISPA and the list servers
so... 

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Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik
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 We are getting advertisement wispa emails sent to an email that we
would
 like to unsubscribe. I see mailman headers but not where to
unsubscribe.
 Who maintains that list?
 
 Dylan
 
 
 



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Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Rich,

You might want to take a look at the white paper that I recently 
produced for WISPA that highlights how WISPs are successful.   You can 
find it here:  http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252One of the 
things that makes WISPs successful is the use of fixed wireless, meaning 
the installation of high-gain antennas at the customer location.   This 
enables faster speeds and much higher reliability than dongle type 
installations.   The self-install business models look good on paper, 
but do not scale up well enough in the real world and that generally 
ruins the business model.   It doesn't really matter whether you use 
licensed spectrum or not.   Fixed wireless has many advantages over 
mobile broadband and the dongles and those advantages are going to 
become even more apparent as Internet utilization continues to increase 
and the mobile networks get more and more overloaded.


I would strongly encourage anyone on the list who hasn't read this paper 
yet to take 15 minutes and go through it.   I am directing people who 
are unfamiliar with WISPs to read this first and they come back with a 
much better understanding of what we do and how valuable it is to our 
communities.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 11/28/2011 6:24 PM, Rich _ wrote:

The answer to my last question was obvious from the posts so far.
I should have asked if there are licensed frequencies that I can still 
purchase and if so how much do the range in cost?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Matt Jenkins 
m...@smarterbroadband.net mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net wrote:


Proprietary equipment in most cases. They also use licensed
frequency which they pay a premium for.

On 11/28/2011 04:51 PM, Rich _ wrote:

What type of equipment does Clear/OpenRange use that allows a
connection using one of those 1x3 USB things?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

None that I know of.  Those are the companies like Clear and
OpenRange.  That model doesn't seem to financially or
operationally/technically work.

Most if not all the Wisps here install equipment on vertical
space (grain leg, building, tower) and install a CPE on the
customer roof.  From the CPE side, a lot like satellite.  Low
profile but it is there.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 28, 2011 7:40 PM, Rich _ rich.ema...@gmail.com
mailto:rich.ema...@gmail.com wrote:

How do the companies that have a dongle do it? Are
they using something other than a WISP?


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Tetherow
tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote:

Rich,
Given current gear, FCC regulations and available
spectrum, outside of
reselling cellular you are not going to going to find
anything you will
be able to reliable allow the customer to
self-install.  Trust me, there
are smarter minds than mine that have been trying to
figure that one out
since this industry started.

As Jay mentioned, Clearwire is probably the closest
business model to
what you are looking for, and even with their deep
pockets and licensed
spectrum they are having a tough time making it work.
 And I think it is
precisely because they are choosing to go the route
that you are looking
for.

If they took their spectrum and equipment and used it
as traditional,
professionally installed fixed wireless setup they
would probably have a
working business model.  Sure their return on
investment would be higher
due to the installer cost, but if they took a
dish-network model to
getting installs done they would only be looking at
3-6 months break
even on the install cost and considering the amount
of money that has
already been poured into the business I would think
that would be a drop
in the bucket.

Rich _ wrote:
 Thx Faisal, I'm located in PA in the USA.

 But, I'm not interested in starting a WISP based on
where I'm located.
 I'm interested in finding a location that best
enables success for the
 business.

 Yes, I would be looked at as 

Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's a Rick Kunze siting!  How the heck are you Rick?

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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Behalf Of Rick Kunze
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm new, I hope this is the right list...

Or as I like to phrase it: You won't get rich in the WISP business, 
but it beats working for a living.

shrug

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Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

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360networks has fiber capacity in Billings and will work with WISPs to 
get equipment colocated.They were recently acquired by Zayo, so you 
might try calling someone from Zayo to see if they can help you out.   
Tell them I sent you if you called.   I'm trying to get on their good side!

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On 11/7/2011 10:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Spend enough time on these lists and you'll discover that most services
 providers don't have a clue as to what is available around them.

 -
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 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 11/7/2011 11:44 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 You can also use the national broadband map and find out who offers service
 there. They may not be able to give you 100 meg but I would bet they know
 who can.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com
 www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:17 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strategies For Finding Bandwidth

 Peruse the carrier maps and see what's in your area. I would love it if
 someone asked me for 100 megs.

 Check www.telecomramblings.com for links to maps.

 -
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 On 11/7/2011 10:22 AM, Andrew Niemantsverdriet wrote:
 How do I go about finding a bandwidth provider? I have been tasked to
 find 100Megs of Internet and have exhausted all the options I know.
 What I have done so far is contact other ISP's in the area and asked
 them if they can get me Internet. So far everybody has said no because
 they can figure out a way to deliver it.

 So what I am asking what are some other avenues that I can explore to
 get bandwidth to this location? Generic advise is fine as I may have
 to do this once more for another site.

 I am purposely not saying the address on a public list but if that
 will help I can let you know off list.

 Thanks,
 _
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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

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I think ultimately it will fail in the courts or the next Congress will rein
the FCC in on this matter.  The initial finding wasn't too onerous, but it
was the proverbial camel's nose under the tent.  If it were to stand, the
courts would have a lot of fun defining what reasonable network management
means.  My guess is that their definition will not be the same as mine.

 

If you are blocking content, streaming, competitive VoIP products, or
degrading them to the point where they are useless, you probably have a
target on your business.  If you aren't, and are trying to make the
experience work for everyone, and not allow a couple of heavy users to trash
your network, you are probably ok.

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

 

 

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:19, Tony Iacopi t...@razzolink.com wrote:

Unfortunately I would love to agree with Matt and the fact that I paid for
the network so I should be able to do what I want with it, however, the way
it is currently written, if you provide internet service (which I believe we
all do) you are suppose to comply.  I also agree that it is a flagrant
overreach for the FCC but until it is overruled it is in place.  Got to love
the Governments protection of the small business owner.

 

The government isn't trying to protect the small business owner - they're
trying to protect the perceived interest of the majority of common citizens.

 

A majority of citizens are using bigger carriers (cable companies and
telcos), and that majority likely will benefit from these rules. Yes, it
kinda stinks for smaller businesses, but them's the breaks sometimes.

 

Anyone that has access to the members list care to comment on what WISPA is
doing to ease compliance for small ISPs?

 

David Smith

(definitely not speaking for) MVN.net

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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

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“The fact that the DC Circuit (their motto: We hate the FCC) got the case
raises the odds even more.”

LOL...have I mentioned how much I enjoy having you back on lists Fred?


Regards,

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

At 10/25/2011 07:43 PM, Matt Larsen wrote:

If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you.

As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality does
not apply to you.   You paid for it, you can do what you want with it.

Legally, per the letter of the Communications Act, that's true.

The FCC does not agree; Part 8 leaves the original monopoly common carriers
unregulated, but purports to regulate ISP content.

However, I give it a much greater than even probability to be overturned by
a court, because it is so flagrantly illegal.  In fact, I think the FCC
expected that to be the result when they wrote it.  Politics is funny like
that.  Congress and the states pass laws which they know will be overturned,
and the FCC follows their lead.

The fact that the DC Circuit (their motto: We hate the FCC) got the case
raises the odds even more.


Matt Larsen
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On 10/25/2011 4:46 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote: 

Hi there,

Just got off the phone with my FCC attorney and the Net Neutrality rules are
back on and we are to comply by Nov. 20th.  Has anyone done anything
regarding this, we are working on it but would like to know what others are
doing.  Let me know.
 
Thanks
 
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

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We will find out tomorrow - FCC will release their USF plan on Thursday.

Let's hope that it will not fund this, but since Verizon and ATT run the 
telecom section of our government, I would not be surprised.

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On 10/26/2011 11:18 AM, Matt wrote:
 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Confirms-New-Home-LTE-Service-116721

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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150368025819872set=a.447435709871.
225414.367822059871type=1theater

Occupy Jupiter!

Regards,

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:43 AM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

The LIVE network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with 70ms latency.

Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Victoria li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Of course.  Those are good speeds, but remember they are on a ‘test’
 network.

 Check out Matt Larsens white paper.  He has some very good points about
 fixed vs. mobile.



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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

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Sorry, the listserv rejected my initial post, and when I went to repost I
chose the wrong email.

Regards,

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http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150368025819872set=a.447435709871.
225414.367822059871type=1theater

Occupy Jupiter!

Regards,

Jeff
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Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

The LIVE network here does 26Mb x 22Mb with 70ms latency.

Regards,

Chuck



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Victoria li...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
 Of course.  Those are good speeds, but remember they are on a ‘test’
 network.

 Check out Matt Larsens white paper.  He has some very good points about
 fixed vs. mobile.



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 314.974.5600



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 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:59 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality

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If you are a Title II regulated telco, they might apply to you.

As an operator of a privately funded broadband network, Net Neutrality 
does not apply to you.   You paid for it, you can do what you want with it.


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On 10/25/2011 4:46 PM, Tony Iacopi wrote:


Hi there,


Just got off the phone with my FCC attorney and the Net Neutrality 
rules are back on and we are to comply by Nov. 20th.  Has anyone done 
anything regarding this, we are working on it but would like to know 
what others are doing.  Let me know.


Thanks

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[WISPA] Coverage in/near Spencer Indiana

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

I have a friend who is looking for wireless broadband in Spencer Indiana
(Owen County).  Anyone cover that area?

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] Weekend Off

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Great work by everyone involved!  No one in our organization has ever put
anything of that size together, and it was terrific!  I know we learned some
things that will make the next one even better.

 

Hail King Richard!!! (if someone has the picture, please share!)

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:10 PM
To: memb...@wispa.org; wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Weekend Off

 

Hey all,

The boxes of supplies are all packed up and shipped out.  I'm going ti relax
today and head home tomorrow.

I have a ton of email to get through next week.  So please be patient.  I
have literally had no time since last Saturday to check and answer email.

What an Awesome week in Vegas!  Thanks to all for participating in what I
think may be the best fixed wireless conference ever.  Special kudos to Josh
Garza and Nathan Stooke for putting together such a great agenda.  

Also, thanks to the sponsors, exhibitors and speakers.  

While we were busy in Vegas, my new Associate Executive Director, Trina
Coffey, was in Orlando looking for a venue for our spring conference in
March.

It was great to meet so many of our new members.  The excitement in the
industry is evident.  Great reviews of the Speed Dating, CEO Roundtable and
many other sessions.

We probably all need to diet the next few weeks! I know I do.

Rick

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Re: [WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Fixed now.

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On 10/13/2011 8:09 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 There is no http service running on the server.

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 li...@manageisp.com  wrote:
 Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.



 http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true





 We will be adding more maps and tables of statistics for the WISP only areas

 later.   This was very well received at the WISPAPALOOZA show today.



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[WISPA] America's Broadband Heroes: Fixed Wireless Broadband Providers

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Here is the link my white paper about fixed wireless broadband providers.

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true 
http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=252preview=true


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[WISPA] Wispapalooza and FISPAlive

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

Just in case you missed it, ALL Wispapalooza attendees are invited to the
Wednesday evening reception and FISPA is offering session-only passes for
$50 (Thursday and Friday).  

You can check out the sessions and/or register here:

http://fispalive.com/


This is a great deal (regular passes are $399!), and there should be
something here for just about any WISP.


Regards,

Jeff
574-220-7826 


Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Same girls as the last ISPCon?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Layne Sisk
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 11:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will
be giving out free massages (not by me).  

 

Layne Sisk

www.ServerPlus.com

801.426.8283, ext 102

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to
our MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.

 

If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make
it a party;-)

 

 

Jim Patient

Link Technologies, Inc.

314-735-0270

www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ 
 
http://mail.serverplus.com/exchange/layne/Drafts/RE:%20%5bWISPA%5d%20%5bBul
k%5d%20Re:%20%20Wispalooza!.EML/1_multipart/image001.png 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in
their booth one day.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

 

Hope they bring some!

On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: 

They generally have very good cigars too!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It
is no way intended to be derogatory. 

People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow
away most of us US attendees

Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

 :-)

-B-




On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: 

Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: 

There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia,
England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess
the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider
Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training
and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the
week.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!  

 

---
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/ 
LIVE On-Line http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/  Mikrotik Training -
Author http://routerosbook.com/  of Learn RouterOS

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:

I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just
deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)  

 

John M. McDowell 
256.996.0252
j...@boonlink.com 

 

On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

 

What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net
Organization: ImageStream
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:55:18 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

Hi All,

 

We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want

Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)]

I think Vegas is one of those towns that for some people, it takes a 
while to figure out what they like to do.   The obvious in-your-face 
stuff isn't for everyone.But when I quit thinking of Vegas being 
what I thought it was, and started just roaming looking for things to 
enjoy, I found a whole new appreciation for the town.   Before I 
described it in many non-complimentary ways and preferred not to go 
there - although it isn't really on my top list of vacation spots.

And for the record, I don't gamble, drink, smoke, or do many of the 
other things which made Vegas famous...  But I definitely can wander 
around and find something fun and entertaining - especially since I tend 
to be a people watcher at times, and also like good food, music, and an 
occasional show or two.

Oh, I guess I do gamble, if you call throwing a $100 on a craps table to 
be able to hang out and watch some of the characters which show up 
around a typical craps table gambling.   But with the effective loss 
rate on a passline bet of only about $5 per hour on a $10 craps table, 
it tends to be pretty cheap entertainment - which is really what I 
consider it.

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[WISPA] Wispalooza!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want to go,
sign up now!

If you miss it, you won't be able to say that you were there!  :-)

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They generally have very good cigars too!

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It
is no way intended to be derogatory. 

People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow
away most of us US attendees

Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!

 :-)

-B-




On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote: 

Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL



On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote: 

There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia,
England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rick Harnish
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess
the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider
Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training
and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the
week.

 

Rick

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!  

 

---
Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik  WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
http://www.linktechs.net/ 
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/  -
Author of http://routerosbook.com/  Learn RouterOS

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

 

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote:

I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just
deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)  

 

John M. McDowell 
256.996.0252
j...@boonlink.com 

 

On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:

 

What happens in vegasgoes on facebook


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-Original Message-
From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists jeffl...@att.net
Organization: ImageStream
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:55:18 -0400
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Wispalooza!

Hi All,

 

We are rapidly approaching our max number of attendees.  If you want to

go,

sign up now!

 

If you miss it, you won't be able to say that you were there!  :-)

 

Regards,

 

Jeff

 

 

Jeff Broadwick

Sales Manager, ImageStream

800-813-5123 x106 tel:800-813-5123%20x106  (US/Can)

+1 574-935-8484 x106 tel:%2B1%20574-935-8484%20x106   (Int'l)

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Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

What kind of distances can you get from 11ghz with 4' dishes?

Matt Larsen
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On 9/30/2011 2:14 PM, Charles Wu wrote:


Itsnice to see products comming out like APEX9, enabling $6900/link 
pricing standard, which are fully feauture rich to latest standards.


You're a little high on the price -- it's $6500 for a full link (and 
that's the rack rate for a single link =)


That price includes high power (e.g., +28 dBm for 11 GHz)

The Apex9 Radios also support compression -- in our testing, we got 
~390 Mbps full duplex with 64 byte packets


-Charles

- Original Message -

*From:*Blake Covarrubias mailto:bl...@beamspeed.com

*To:*WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org

*Sent:*Thursday, September 29, 2011 5:12 PM

*Subject:*Re: [WISPA] Licensed Backhaul

We have quite a few Trango licensed radios. They work well.
Latency is usually under 1ms for each hop.


-- 


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On Sep 29, 2011, at 12:16, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

Most if not all of the licensed backhauls are very solid and
very good.  I have a SAF link that is working well.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Marco Coelho
coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com wrote:

Exalt has a nice product line.  How much bandwidth and how far
are you trying to go are good places to start.

mc

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, John M. Nix
j...@cnetworksolutions.com
mailto:j...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote:

We are thinking of changing our core backhaul from 5.8 Ghz
to a Licensed solution.  Just wondering what the most cost
effective solution would be without losing a great deal of
quality.

John Nix

CSWEB Support Team

www.csweb.net http://www.csweb.net

918-235-0414 tel:918-235-0414

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Re: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I don't care for Vegas, but I can't wait to see everyone!

 

Regards,

Jeff
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800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 7 days till Vegas

 

Who is excited?!

If you haven't gotten your preparations ready, do them NOW!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] DMCA Takedown

[Forrest W Christian (PF Lists)]

For those of you who are just ignoring these:  I'd recommend you read up 
on the DMCA safe harbor rules  See 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act

In short, if you follow the steps under the law, you have an affirmative 
defense against the copyright holders suing you for contributory 
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[WISPA] Special Offer from FISPA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi All,

FISPA is running their show right after Wispalooza and they would like to be
of value to attendees at our show.  I know many attendees are staying over,
either to play or to attend some of the vendor programs.  If you are
interested, here is what they are offering:

1.  Attend FISPA Wednesday activities for FREE (best benefit being the
reception) http://fispalive.com/

2.  Attend any of the Thursday and Friday sessions for $49
http://fispalive.com/

This is open to Wispalooza attendees only.

FISPA is more geared to the CLEC market and voice services, but I'm sure
there are some subjects that will interest many WISPs, particularly those
that are looking to those as options in the future.


Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] UBNT

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Mobile wireless systems cannot deliver the speeds and network 
performance that is needed to take full advantage of 
broadband.Smartphones and mobile wireless networks have their places, 
but they are not, and will never be, a substitute for a fixed wireless 
or wireline broadband system.


Matt Larsen
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On 9/23/2011 3:25 PM, Robert Canary wrote:

True. However, one buys the better longer-lasting gear, at a significant 
price increase.  And within the 2 years {just as they get it all paid for}, the demand 
changes, the new systems work faster, and you end up spending all your business putting 
money into the manufactures and retailer's pockets.  I have been doing this for 12 years. 
 Trust me . spend your big bucks on the backhaul systems and internal infrastructure. 
 Go absolutely as cheap as you can for access points and CPE.

In another 10 years it will not matter anyway.  *Everything* will be done 
through you're cell phone.  Blue tooth to your laptop and to the internet you 
go @ 4Meg speeds.

Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice

- Original Message -

There are other considerations besides cost.  It's important to
consider total cost of ownership. What devices cost you the least to
put up?  How does that square up with longevity?  What causes the
fewest repeat truck rolls and gives the greatest customer experience?
How does it scale across a large network?

Thanks,

Chris Cooper

On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:30 PM, jch...@tritontelephone.com wrote:


I'm not knocking motorola. It has it's place. (god knows I loved my
startac:) but for the money ubnt makes Norte sense.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Robert Canary
rwcan...@mchn39.ocdirect.net

wrote:
I know this is bogus.  I ran Motorola and it was the worst system
I
had ever deployed.  I thought I was doing great, until I started
runnng AirSpan and Alvarion.  It wasn't long I was on the phone
selling *all* my motorola to my competitors.

Robert Canary
OCDirect Electrical-Datacomm
(866) 594-0786 Fax
(270) 955-0362 Voice

- Original Message -

Here is a radio comparison test done at the last animal farm.

www.linktechs.net/AF2011_Bakeoff.pdf

Jim

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
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On
Behalf Of Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:05 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT

Which UBNT 2.4 or 5.7 radios will do 45MB duplex over two miles.
Thanks
Akinlolu C. Ajayi-Obe
AS Technologies Ltd
Tel. 234(0)8023258027


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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have had a 3 mile 24ghz Ligowave link up for two years with very 
little rain fade - maybe 15 minutes worth in the past two years.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/2/2011 1:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
 At 8/2/2011 01:34 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 Content-Language: en-US
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;

 boundary=_000_D26588DB857E2948835D6C7A27C9879E15DBBD68AEROMAIL1aerone_

 Both Radwin and Motorola PTP500 would work well under high
 interference, but if you want to go to a whole diff band, I would
 suggest against a 3 mile 24 ghz link, go with a Radwin 2000 in 3.65
 Ghz .  Its FCC certified for up to 20 mhz, providing a solid 100
 mbps aggregate data rate for well under $7k

 If Adam's where I think he is, he is in the exclusion zone of two or
 three of those pesky earth stations.  3.65 is unavailable in much of
 the country, unless he can wangle the waiver.

 A lot of people use 18-23 GHz links of that distance.  The 24 GHz
 unlicensed power limit may be a bit low though.  A licensed Ka-band
 radio should be fine for 3 miles, unless it is non-diversity mission
 critical.  Someone I work with manages a public safety microwave
 network around here.  His 18 GHz and 5 GHz links are both impacted by
 weather, but not the same weather, so the network overall stays up
 even as links fade.


--
Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein at ionary.com
ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for 
almost two years on a three mile link.   It has been an outstanding 
piece of equipment in the time that we have had it.A few months ago, 
after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the 
cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our 
throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db 
of fade margin.We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages 
lasted more than five minutes.  I do wish that there was an option for a 
bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.


The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection 
that cost $500/month.   We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for 
itself in 16 months.  I think that is pretty useful!


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps 
radio in 24 Ghz.  Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz, 
too.  Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate 
more bandwidth?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net 
mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:


Maybe it is.  I am only going by word of mouth on that.  That's
why I said I am told..   Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...

:-)




On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:


That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
radio is for Licensed  24 ?

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
*To:* wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

Two more things...

Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works  :-)

And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
polarity plane for data...Not two.

-B-



On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz?  What ranges can you do
with them?

On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
 Nice! Price?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

 No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached


 -B-




 On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
 IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?

 Gino A. Villarini
 g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
 To: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

 The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.

 Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that
will do
 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The
price is the same or cheaper.

 I believe its 2 year warranty also.

 -B-






 On 7/27/2011 7:23 PM, Adam Greene wrote:
 Has anyone tried the SnapLink Blast?

http://www.wisptech.com/index.php/Microwave_Backhaul_Comparison_Chart
 shows 24GHz, 160M half-duplex, $6k ... if it really works,
that's
 pretty good, in my book

 On 7/26/2011 10:47 AM, Adam Greene wrote:
 This question has probably been asked on this list before
... if
 needed, just tell me to check the archives ...

 Becoming increasingly frustrated with chasing apparent
interference
 issues on our Alvarion Mikrotik 2.4GHz and 5.4 - 5.8GHz
point to point
 links, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a
 non-2.4GHz/5.8GHz solution that can do ~50Mbps full duplex
or above
 (or even a little less). For example, maybe something on the
24GHz
 frequency? Or even licensed, if the license is inexpensive
enough
 

Re: [WISPA] just installed a Huawei...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

That's how they started out...even used the same model numbers initially.
Cisco proved it because known IOS bugs were present in the Huawei OS!  The
settlement precluded Huawei from marketing in the US for some period of
time...not sure if/when that ends.

More recently, they licensed 3COMs router OS, so they should be legit.

For those who care, they are heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] just installed a Huawei...

I've heard that Huawei is just reverse engineered US gear.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/25/2011 11:50 PM, Rogelio wrote:
 Not sure if it's any interest of this group, but I just installed a
 Huawei CX600 router this last week.

 It's like Cisco quality (garbage!) for the price that Cisco should be
 (low!).  The commands are very similar (e.g. switchport -  portswitch,
 no shut -  undo shut, etc), and you configure it almost identical to
 what you'd expect on a Cisco.

 The worst part about the Huawei is probably the documentation.  It's
 scattered all over the place, so if you want something simple (like
 telnet access), it's in a completely different PDF than if you want,
 say, VLAN configuration commands.  Finding it all is a huge scavenger
 hunt.

 But hey...for like a 1/4 of the price or whatever (so I've heard), I'd
 say it's worth it.  :b






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[WISPA] Detroit News OpEd That Mostly Gets It

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

http://www.detnews.com/article/20110721/OPINION01/107210336/1008/opinion01/B
lanket-Michigan--nation-in-broadband

Blanket Michigan, nation in broadband
Lewis N. Dodak and Rick Johnson

A century ago, President Woodrow Wilson set out a bold vision that paved the
way for America's tech future: ensuring that every American would have
access to a telephone.
President Obama faces a similar modern-day challenge: extending all
Americans access to broadband Internet. We need that now in our country and
especially here in Michigan.
The challenge is especially stark for wireless broadband, demand for which
is expected to grow 40-fold over the next four years as more Americans
embrace their smartphones and their burgeoning applications.
The Federal Communications Commission is attempting a variety of bold
actions to address the problem, but special interests are resorting to
politics to slow progress and competition.
Wireless broadband is more than just our ability to download music. It
allows public safety workers to exchange information in an emergency. It
provides small business owners tools they need to compete with corporations.
The 26 million Americans who lack broadband access are, in a sense, denied
an equal shot at the American dream.
What can government do to encourage the $350 billion investment needed for
all Americans to have broadband access?
Several government programs have aimed to spur investment; each has met with
resistance. The Department of Agriculture has implemented programs like the
Farm Bill Broadband Loan Program, the Broadband Initiatives Program (from
the stimulus bill) and others aimed at encouraging investment. But special
corporate interests have commandeered these programs and misappropriated
them for giant corporate subsidies in areas that already have broadband.
The FCC has suggested that broadcast stations voluntarily auction off their
unused spectrum in an attempt to free up 500 MHz of spectrum to encourage
more high-speed wireless deployment. But broadcasters have balked, leaving
taxpayers to continue footing the bill while they hoard the public spectrum.
The most viable solution is to convert other parts of the public airwaves
for wireless broadband use. Many experts and the FCC agree that a hybrid
satellite-terrestrial network, in the works for the past decade, is the next
wireless broadband chapter.
And while new technologies are taking off in Europe and Asia, giant
incumbent companies are trying to fight them here. Some GPS companies are
arguing their now-outdated receivers can hear the previously unoccupied
satellite bands that the new 4G-LTE networks will use to deliver broadband
to America.
Every decade we see new technological breakthroughs. Our country and our
state need to take advantage of these breakthroughs to create jobs. If we
don't, others will. It is foolhardy not to move forward.
Lewis N. Dodak and Rick Johnson are both former speakers of the Michigan
House of Representatives. Email comments to lett...@detnews.com.


From The Detroit News:
http://detnews.com/article/20110721/OPINION01/107210336/Blanket-Michigan--na
tion-in-broadband#ixzz1SqkEwGuQ

Regards,

Jeff


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Re: [WISPA] Router with Load Bal and IPS?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

What type of load balancing Gino?

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 2:45 PM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Router with Load Bal and IPS?

Excluding Mikrotik, any other options?

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Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's great to rail against Congress but everyone should understand that,
whether we agree with them or not, this IS ultimately their responsibility.
Agencies such as the FCC have often taken somewhat vague (often
intentionally vague) legislation and taken actions/made rules far beyond
what the signers of the law intended.  Net Neutrality is just one example of
this.

Personally, I'd rather that ELECTED bodies make these decisions, rather than
some politically appointed board.  Elected officials MUST respond to their
voters.  Appointed board members only have to keep those who appointed them
happy.

Most Congressmen/women have no idea that this discussion is even taking
place (other than those on the committee, and perhaps some of the
leadership).  If they had heard of it, they likely had no idea what it
meant.  435 + 100 people (mostly lawyers) cannot be expected to understand
every single technical aspect of this sort of legislation.  That's why
WISPA, its members and friends, equipment manufacturers, and probably most
importantly YOUR CUSTOMERS must inform them.

I'm sure it's forthcoming, but a list of all the Congress members on the
relevant committees with their contact info would be most helpful.  That and
the official WISPA position (in plain language) will allow us to leverage
all of our assets to go after this wrong-headed legislation.  

Once we are armed with this information, every member should contact their
Congressman...remember, many of them were just elected in 2010 for the first
time.  Their heads are still spinning, and they are also more likely to be
responsive than some 40 year vet. 


Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:04 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

TO WISP's

I'm not much of an alarmist and I would never claim the sky is falling 
unless I had positive proof.  Right now WISPA is faced with what I 
perceive as the most serious threat to our industry to date.  Some of 
you may complain that the FCC is an overreaching intruder into our 
business.  While Federal Government oversight and regulations into our 
rapidly growing industry may seem intrusive WISPA has always had their 
ear and we feel they listen and include us into much of their decision 
making process.  There is no doubt they truly want nation-wide service 
and recognize the lack of enthusiastic expansion by major players 
(legacy carriers) into the rural area which is our strongest argument.

Starting with Net Neutrality we noticed that Congress was starting to 
politicize the work of the FCC.  Some of you thought that was a good 
thing since you felt the FCC was slow in releasing frequencies.  The 
micro-management of the FCC on that first issue has rapidly grown to 
full fledged taking over of the FCC's mission.  Once the legacy 
characters found that they could go around the FCC to Congress, where 
they already give millions in donations, they knew they had one big 
leg up on small budget organizations like WISPA.  They are now flexing 
their full lobbying muscle by getting some 'friends' in Congress to 
introduce bills that would freeze any future expansion of the WISP 
market locking us out of the lower frequencies that we need to penetrate 
vegetation and terrain.  Much like teaching the Internet to your parents 
other legislators look at the new laws with dazed amazement and just say 
OK not realizing the ramifications and listening to the lobbyist spin.

WISPA is not sitting back on this one, last year our board was not 
afraid to go far out of budget to get our feet firmly in the door on 
issues such as TV White Spaces (TV White Spaces) and the Universal 
Service Fund change to Connect America Fund (CAF).  It appears all that 
work is now under scrutiny by Congress and their answer seems to be one 
of 'lets just put all frequencies up for bid, licensed and unlicensed'.  
None of us WISP's could afford to bid against the likes of ATT and 
Verizon and it has the potential of locking all small business out of 
any future frequencies.

Yesterday the Legislative, FCC, and Promotions Committee of WISPA got 
together and released a letter to all Congressional Members of several 
committees relevant to this battle, in addition we paid to have a formal 
press release sent to the media objecting to this path that both the 
Senate and House seem to be pursuing.  We are now interviewing potential 
Lobbyists (something we've never needed before) and, other firms that 
can help us with this new front we have to fight on.

Where WISPA will have to go to get the ear of Congress to stop this 
insane path is all new to us but we are up to the challange.  We have 
great legal counsel, members that can attend and testify hearings, 
allies in other groups such as New America feel the pain like 

Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I hope everyone on the List reads this post Tom!  You nailed it.  Just
because the minority bill does less damage, doesn't mean that we should
support it!

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire

It should be noted that the today that we face is not neceesarilly an 
indication of a bad thing. It was just a fork in the road, and the big telco

lobbiests reached the fork shortly before us.
What we have here is a chance to make a meaningful permanent change on 
spectrum policy.  A fast track that doesn;t come along often. Congress has 
that power.
But with every opportunity there also comes risk attached, and the risk is 
great if we are not at the top of our game.
This is NOT the time to be weak, it is the time that demands strength and 
persistence. This is where we say, we dont give up and aren't willing to go 
away, and we simply aren't going to let congress try to take our innovative 
drive away.

And where we have the courage and responsibilty to call it like we see it, 
and not accept when the FCC does wrong,  we also have the equal obligation 
to defend our FCC that we have intemently interacted with over the years.

When I testified on NetNEutrality for the republicans, ATT claimed to be for

the NetNeutrality rules. The republicans, dragged out the truth that ATT did

NOT like the rules, they just agreed that they were less harmful than the 
rules could have been, and they were willing to reduce risk, and except less

harmful rules. The republicans were quick to use that to there advantage and

argue that settling for less harmful should not be adequate testimony to 
contitute being in favor of, and that we should have rules that benefit us, 
not just that are less harmful, if we are to have successful broadband 
policy. I see no reason we cant use that same arguement against the House 
committee.

Right now, the majority bill is horrid. So we show more support for the 
minority companion bill that is less harmful.  Allthough we can agree and 
testify that the new minority bill is less harmful and preverable than the 
other, we can not loose focus that both bills are harmful in some capacity. 
We need to tell congress what we honestly really think, and we need a 
stronger stance.

A very very relevent point is that there has been an eight year public open 
process on whitespace where 3 administrations had been involved ans all 
concluded the value of unlicensed and allocation of Whitespace to unlicensed

in significant capacity. For congress to undermine that would be undermining

public opinion. There is proof, 8 years of FCC records showing that the 
FCC's decission represented the public interests. Congresss has an 
obligation to represent the public interest.

I would argue that the only evidence that we need to support our claim is 
submit FCC historical record as evidence.  In my opinion, ignoring that 
evidence in favor of big money lobbyiest, or to assist with poor federal 
budgeting,  would be corruption.

The bills are scary, but that does not mean we have to let them pass.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:03 AM
Subject: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire


 TO WISP's

 I'm not much of an alarmist and I would never claim the sky is falling
 unless I had positive proof.  Right now WISPA is faced with what I
 perceive as the most serious threat to our industry to date.  Some of
 you may complain that the FCC is an overreaching intruder into our
 business.  While Federal Government oversight and regulations into our
 rapidly growing industry may seem intrusive WISPA has always had their
 ear and we feel they listen and include us into much of their decision
 making process.  There is no doubt they truly want nation-wide service
 and recognize the lack of enthusiastic expansion by major players
 (legacy carriers) into the rural area which is our strongest argument.

 Starting with Net Neutrality we noticed that Congress was starting to
 politicize the work of the FCC.  Some of you thought that was a good
 thing since you felt the FCC was slow in releasing frequencies.  The
 micro-management of the FCC on that first issue has rapidly grown to
 full fledged taking over of the FCC's mission.  Once the legacy
 characters found that they could go around the FCC to Congress, where
 they already give millions in donations, they knew they had one big
 leg up on small budget organizations like WISPA.  They are now flexing
 their full lobbying muscle by getting some 'friends' in Congress to
 introduce bills that would freeze any future 

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Many of our well established customers would take issue with being called 
start-up...  :-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any way to send tables here?
 Plain text removed all the borders of my table making it unreadable...
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 12:31 AM
 Subject: Fwd: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 
 
 Great thanks for all who participated in discussion! This community is very 
 good place to ask question and get opinions from experienced wireless 
 professionals.
 
 
 
 Opinions vary, though. And as the way to thank community and to provoke 
 additional discussion I would like to summarize all the inputs from community 
 members. Hope to get unbiased view of core routers market as it is today.
 
 
 
 Feel free to criticize it if you want! We can make it even better with help 
 of WISP community!
 
 
 
 Market segment
 Econom
 Middle
 Top
 Market players
 Mikrotik
 Imagestream
 Vyatta
 Juniper SRX
 Cisco
 Performance and price
 20 Mbps – 219$ (RB750G)
 2 GE – 1219$ (Power router 732)
  
 Up to 8x1GE
 300 Mbps – 1500$
 Up to 8x1GE
  
 Features
 Proprietary OS
 Open source, Linux-based
 Quagga as dynamic routing package
 High end of open source routers
 Cisco competitor,
 Junos
 IOS – stable and proven
 Advantages
  
  
  
  
  
 Disadvantages
 Up to 2x10GE (
 Powerouter 732?)
 OSPF issues
  
  
  
 Use cases
 Startups
 Startups
  
 Large enterprises with certified engineers
 Large enterprises with certified engineers
 Technical support
 Free forum or Fee-based from Mikrotik consultants
 Free software upgrades for life, 1 year of free support
 You can purchase service contract
 Many paid options
 Many paid options
 Try before buy
 http://demo2.mt.lv/
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roman consulttele...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 
 
 What I would like to get at this stage is not actual configuration for 
 one-time project. I need some rule-of-thumb in order to apply it for all of 
 my projects to get budget calculation. 
 For example, for projects with not more than 200 subscribers and 10 Mbps 
 backhaul you advise to use configuration Small. Then, for projects with up 
 to 1000 subscribers and 100 Mbps backhaul, you advise to use configuration 
 Medium. For every type of configuration I would like to know its technical 
 characteristics and price.
 
 Thank you in advance!
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet.

Jeff
ImageStream

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On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when
 really pushing 10 gig interfaces.  We'll be needing them before too
 much longer!
 
 I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS.
 
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Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's not a processor limitation Fred, it's a Linux issue.  It can be fixed, but 
will require a major re-write.  I question that Vyatta has really overcome it.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2011, at 9:06 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:

 At 7/7/2011 08:47 PM, JeffB wrote:
 ImageStream offers them too, but we can't saturate them yet.
 
 I'm curious...what's the biggest CPU you've tried them on?  Vyatta 
 claims to be able to saturate 10G interfaces using multicore 
 Xeons.  Even high end Xeon server iron seems cheap compared to the 
 Ciscos it can replace.
 
 
 Jeff
 ImageStream
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:37 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote:
 
 On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 15:02 -0500, Mike Hammett wrote:
 Yeah, MT and ImageStream really don't have anything to offer when
 really pushing 10 gig interfaces.  We'll be needing them before too
 much longer!
 
 I have 10G interfaces available with RouterOS.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Choosing core router for small - medium WISP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi Bryan,

I'm sorry that your ImageStream experience was not what we strive for.  I can 
assure you that it was not typical.  We count our ISP customers in the 
hundreds...everything from small to ones with thousands of customers.  We can 
fully saturate GigE connections with most packet sizes.  We have over 10 years 
of experience with dynamic routing and building fully redundant networks.  We 
offer telco circuit cards ranging from T1 to OC12 and just about everything in 
between.

I'd love to walk you through the current product line if you have a moment.

Regards, 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 6, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Bryan Fields br...@apacimports.com wrote:

 On 7/6/2011 10:52, Roman wrote:
 
 I would like to ask for help of wireless community.
 We have to choose supplier of core router for our WISP projects. I know 
 technical characteristics and price for core routers from Cisco - 7200 and 
 7600 series. Although these models have impressive possibilities, their 
 price is very prohibitive for small/medium projects. Which models of core 
 router do use in your projects? I would like to get your recommendations, 
 its advantages and disadvantages. Would like to know some cheap and 
 middle-price options.
 
 It comes down to the feature set you need and the performance required.  Can 
 you share your expected traffic numbers and what features you want to run?
 
 The cisco 7200 is a bit long in the tooth, the 7600 is the way to go forward. 
  Each can be found on the secondary market for cheap.  From a new device 
 purchase decision, it's hard to beat the Juniper SRX series for smaller 
 deployments.  a $1500 router can handle 300 mbit/s of IP/mpls and firewall in 
 hardware is hard to beat.  The new MX series can handle 80gb/slot and its the 
 next big competition to the 7600 from cisco.  Junos is amazing to work with 
 compared to IOS too.
 
 However if you do need multiple line rate 10gb/s interfaces, the ALU 
 7750/7710 should be considered too.
 
 I'd not consider the Imagestream product as it's not a serious carrier 
 contender.  As of two years back they just did not have a product, and bowed 
 out of an RFP I was forced into running.  It's a neat small office router, 
 but that's all.  
 
 Again this is all my opinion :)
 -- 
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[WISPA] Rural Broadband in Pictures

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

My latest Wireless Cowboys post.I think this is one of my best yet, and 
a perfect illustration of why fixed wireless is so important for rural 
areas.Plus, it has cool pictures!


http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=180

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Re: [WISPA] FW: WISPA Bylaws

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

  
  
I will take a bylaws change to add different "classes" to each
membership level. As the current bylaws read, each membership
level has to be charged at the same rate. That is part of why we
did the dues increase the way that we did them. Our intention is
to make that change to the bylaws in order to implement the
different classes next year, but we could not do it this time
around.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 5/31/2011 9:50 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  Not to make suggestions after the
  fact but
  
  In the past, it was realized that
  flexibilty was lost in setting appropriate dues because there
  were only a limited number of classes (assoc, principal,
  vendor).
  
  It would make sense to also add
  to the bylaws and ballot, the ability for the board to set
  additional "classes"of membership.
  
  The reason for this is... the
  majority class is currently "principle". Currently if the
  member prospect does not qualify for "principle" the
  alternative becomes the lower revenue "associate" class even
  if the prospect was a candidate appropriate to pay a higher
  rate.A class could be used to advertise specific companies as
  higher contributors, such as a Gold and Platnum principle
  member (a WISP that is larger ordesired to donate more cash
  in excahnge for good will). As welladditionalclasses could
  be used to allow a membership without certain privilages that
      other WISPs might have. For example which Lists they have
  access to. (An example of that might have been the WCA 3650
  issue, where a telcomight want to join to work on a specific
  project, but may notqualify as a typical WISP). Adding
  Classes, enables the ability to target alternate revenue
  streams, other than to raise principle member's dues, and
  without compromising principle member's voting power and
  association focus. Alternatively, it would work to give the
  ability to add "sub-classes", that allowed fine tuning of
  rights or dues per that specific sub-class. For example,
  manufacturer versus service provider versus investor. Or WISPs
  under 500sub, 500-5000, and Large National providers 
  5000. Or Associate of government versus non-profitversus
  consultant, versus press, versus newbie exploring wireless.
  
  I'm not suggesting defing classes
  now, just suggesting board given the abilityto add classes,
  if needed in the future.
  
  
  Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: Victoria 
To: 'WISPA General List' 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011
  11:35 AM
Subject: [WISPA] FW: WISPA
  Bylaws



  Dear Members,
  
  This election, you are going to be
  presented with proposed changes in the WISPA Bylaws. Rick
  has posted these changes: http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=4752
  Please take a moment and be familiar
  with them. 
  
  If you have any questions, please email
  to: wispabyl...@wispa.org
  
  Thanks and have a great Memorial Day!
  
  Best regards,
  Victoria
Proffer 
  President/CEO
  St. Louis Broadband, LLC
  314-974-5600
  
   2010 - 2011 Board of Directors
  Committee Chairs - Bylaws |
National Disaster | State Coordinators |Missouri State
Coordinator
  

 
 


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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB problem 
on my Wireless Cowboys blog.   You can read it here:


http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to their 
Freeside accounts to see who gets billed.   Right now, the list of 
violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing manually.We 
have the option of building a batch transaction that gets imported into 
our billing system on the first of each month.We also built a portal 
for users to check their own bandwidth utilization, and our system sends 
emails to users when they go over and a summary email to our techs with 
a list of all the people that are over.


Hope that helps.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
www.wirelesscowboys.com


On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I 
would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external 
NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way 
(other than radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the 
product. The downside to this is that the Traffic Flow stream as 
they call it, does not output the mac field (even though one is 
available according to the NetFlow spec). So if you are using DHCP, it 
becomes harder to track with this method as you would have to 
constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are attached to. 
RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting 
sessions for a given user over a given time period.


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message -
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
mailto:spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research.
You should
too.


 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have
bandwidth caps and
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not
charging for
 them at this point. You also have to have some method of
giving feedback
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's
script for a
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will
email the client
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want
the content of
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message --
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one of
these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan
that allows
for more  costs more), or
2. change their behavior to not use so much
3. leave

I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday
to most
customers...

On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough
spectrum to
 continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything
else out yet.

 Regards,

 Chuck


 On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?
 I suppose
 if the customer wants to simply be throttled back
instead of pay
 more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more
sense to
 capitalize on something.

 Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and
stuff from
 cable companies, for example.


 Josh Luthman

Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

8 meg package is not offered to residential customers, only to business 
customers.We still get crazy people who want 8meg in the middle of 
nowhere, eight hops away from our NOC - so we decided it was best not to 
advertise it.


When we rollout some more AirMax, we are going to revise this and add 
6,12 and 16meg plans for residential in the places where we have AirMax 
deployed and enough backbone to deliver it.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 5/3/2011 1:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I did read that just yesterday, Matt.  I noticed you don't have the 8 
meg package on your website =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists 
li...@manageisp.com mailto:li...@manageisp.com wrote:


I have a very detailed breakdown of what we did to solve the UBB
problem on my Wireless Cowboys blog.   You can read it here:

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

We went the NetFlow method and correlate customer IP addresses to
their Freeside accounts to see who gets billed.   Right now, the
list of violators is pretty small so we do the overage billing
manually.We have the option of building a batch transaction
that gets imported into our billing system on the first of each
month.We also built a portal for users to check their own
bandwidth utilization, and our system sends emails to users when
they go over and a summary email to our techs with a list of all
the people that are over.

Hope that helps.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com http://vistabeam.com
www.wirelesscowboys.com http://www.wirelesscowboys.com



On 5/3/2011 12:00 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your
counts? I would think a better idea would be to use traffic flow
and an external NetFlow analyzer. We are working on this for
Wispmon as another way (other than radius accounting) to do usage
based billing with the product. The downside to this is that the
Traffic Flow stream as they call it, does not output the mac
field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow
spec). So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with
this method as you would have to constantly poll the routers to
find out what mac they are attached to. RADIUS is fairly
cumbersome too as you have to sum all the accounting sessions for
a given user over a given time period.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller
joe.mil...@dslbyair.com mailto:joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote:

Can this script be made available for everyone?

Joe Miller
DSLbyAir, LLC
228-831-8881 tel:228-831-8881
www.dslbyair.com http://www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message -
From: Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net
mailto:spie...@avolve.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB
research. You should
too.


 I've been saying for a while now that you have to have
bandwidth caps and
 costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are
not charging for
 them at this point. You also have to have some method
of giving feedback
 to them on their bandwidth consumption.

 Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew
Cox's script for a
 Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It
will email the client
 when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you
want the content of
 the email to say.

 What did your letter say ?

 -- Original Message
--
 From: Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net
mailto:markl...@uwol.net
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700

I think it's important for people to (after gaining an
understanding of
the impact they have on shared bandwidth) choose one
of these...

1. pay more (either by overages or a different service
plan that allows

Re: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi John,

 

Marlon and his family are ok?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:33 PM
To: Principal WISPA Member List; WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

 

Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these lists,
was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went by there
today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half mile in each
direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the road some people
were found dead lying in a church parking lot and nearby field.  A Sara Lee
truck pulled up today in a small town called Henagar at the 4 way stop,
opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've thought it was a third world
country watching the people rush to get bread.

Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites today,
all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the cabinet
but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.

We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going to
come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging from
the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage lines have
been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the county.

Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of assistance I
will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with all my employees
tending to their families. Water has been cut off in most homes across the
county. Its almost unbelievable what is transpiring. It could get ugly
quick.

Regards,

John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932 Office
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com



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Re: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

PTL!  Please let him know that his family and town are in my prayers.

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

 

Yes, all ok, a little bruised, but their church is rallying, so they'll be
fine. Thanks Jeff!

 

John M. McDowell 

Boonlink Communications 

307 Grand Ave NW 

Fort Payne, AL 35967 

256.844.9932 Office

j...@boonlink.com 

www.boonlink.com

 

 

 

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On Apr 29, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:





Hi John,

 

Marlon and his family are ok?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John McDowell
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:33 PM
To: Principal WISPA Member List; WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
Subject: [WISPA] Thanks to those concerned

 

Our network admin's house, Marlon Williamson who is active on these lists,
was completely demolished with him and his family inside. I went by there
today and it looks like a war zone. Complete destruction a half mile in each
direction with what was his house in the middle. Across the road some people
were found dead lying in a church parking lot and nearby field.  A Sara Lee
truck pulled up today in a small town called Henagar at the 4 way stop,
opened the 18 wheeler doors, and you would've thought it was a third world
country watching the people rush to get bread.

Somehow our network was left unscathed. I drove to most of our sites today,
all in tact. One water tank may have some lightning damage in the cabinet
but not much it seems. We were truly blessed.

We've been without power for over 24 hours. All of N. Alabama is without
power. People are lining up at gas stations thinking the power is going to
come on but the TVA has given a best case scenario of 5 days. Judging from
the damage I've seen, it will be more like 2 weeks. High Voltage lines have
been twisted and blown over like pretzels all over the county.

Jay, I haven't had time to read any emails, but if I can be of assistance I
will try. I am kind of a one man show at this point with all my employees
tending to their families. Water has been cut off in most homes across the
county. Its almost unbelievable what is transpiring. It could get ugly
quick.

Regards,

John M. McDowell
Boonlink Communications
307 Grand Ave NW
Fort Payne, AL 35967
256.844.9932 Office
j...@boonlink.com
www.boonlink.com



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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] alaska

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I have contacts up there.  What do you need?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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Of Mike Goicoechea
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'; memb...@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA Members] alaska

 

Is there anyone on the list that is in or around Anchorage Alaska? 

 

Mike Goicoechea

VP of Operations 

Cielo Systems International

806-977-9001 ext 101 

806-763-1945 fax

Skype Mike.Goik

m...@cielosystems.net 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I wrote about this on my http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/ blog -

http://www.wirelesscowboys.com/?p=88

There are some other articles about Usage Based Billing (UBB) there as 
well.   Read it and see if that helps.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 4/21/2011 10:30 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth 
caps for years.


Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger jnovin...@gmail.com 
mailto:jnovin...@gmail.com wrote:


They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
speed.

Also, given ATT's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
of caps.

Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.

Jason

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan deathandta...@caglan.net
mailto:deathandta...@caglan.net wrote:
 We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is
scheduled
 to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme
but the
 video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.
 We are
 looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
 model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage
model or
 block pricing.

 Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth
caps too
 much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
 anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
 this, the simpler the better?

 Also, what software or management platform are people using to
monitor
 and automate billing of overages, etc?

 Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.

 --Dan P.






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Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy......

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

LOL, isn't that pretty much a BFOQ to leave terra firma and climb a piece of
metal hundreds of feet into the sky?

 

Regards,

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Always climb with a buddy..

 

A public safety official speculated that the man may have climbed the tower
because he suffered from a mental disorder.

lol - dont we all?!?!

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

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Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You would be better off putting a passive tap inline and the router as a
probe.  If you do that, it will be completely invisible to the end
customer.

 

Regards,

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Behalf Of Roger Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Calea Compliance

 

Ok, but the FBI wouldn't know I stuck the hardware there at the last
minute. And the tower glitches off whenever I do a firmware upgrade
anyway. The customer wouldn't know the difference.

On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
 Depends who you ask.  Some might say the customer could notice a change
in
 network and hence non compliant.

 On Mar 5, 2011 10:43 PM, Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would I cover myself for calea by having a mikrotik router on the
 shelf, set up as a bridge, with the calea module installed. Then if I
 get subpoenaed for a tap, I just run out to the appropriate tower and
 put it on the ethernet interface of whichever AP the subscriber is on?

 Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members Demographics Correctiions

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I LIKE Godfather better!  (Jack.with cotton in his cheeks):  This is the
business that we have chosen

 

Regards,

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:06 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics
Correctiions

 

Oh my gosh . 

 

Our Godfather is now Grandfather

 

And Madam President, please forgive me of your omission.

 

So that now reads:

 

One President

One WISPA Executive Director

Three Attorneys!

Four WISPA Board Members

Two Founding Fathers

One GRANDFATHER of Wireless :-)

Seven Principle Members

Four Vendor Members

 

Sorry, between the earthquake and tornado the night before (how lucky can I
be), I did not get much sleep and had a very busy day :-(

 

~V~

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Wisp] ByLaws Committee Members  Demographics

 

FYI guys .

 

The WISPA ByLaws Committee is made up of:

 

One WISPA Executive Director

Three Attorneys!

Four WISPA Board Members

One Founding Father, well actually I think we have two dads in there .

One Godfather, of Wireless, that is .

Seven Principle Members

Four Vendor Members

 

~and a partridge in a pear tree~

 

It is a very nice sampling with some real bright folks!

 

Just wanted to share ;-)

 

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/   

 http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 

 http://www.farmingtonmo.us/blog BLOG: FarmingtonMO.us

314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756

Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband

St. Louis WISP since 2003

SBA Certified WOSB 

 http://stlbroadband.com/ STLBBLogo

WISPA Board of Directors 2010 - 2011

WISPA ByLaws Committee Chair

WISPA - Missouri State Coordinator

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Re: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Obama's wireless plan involves increasing the space available on the
airwaves for high-speed wireless by auctioning off space on the
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama radiospectrum to
commercial wireless carriers. The White House says this would raise nearly
$30 billion over 10 years, and the money could be spent on initiatives that
include $10 billion to develop a national broadband network for public
safety agencies and $5 billion for infrastructure to help rural areas access
high-speed wireless.

 

Doesn't this just make more spectrum unavailable for general use?

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:27 PM
To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Obama want to control the wireless world

 


Here's some more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110210/ap_on_re_us/us_obama


my response:

Dear Mr. President,

I have built, own, and operate an Internet Service Provider (ISP) company. I
have done this with my OWN money, blood, sweat, and tears for over 13 years.
We presently cover 5000 square miles of previously unsupported areas. So far
your broadband stimulus moneys' have done nothing for my customers but cause
interference from wanabe ISPs using the peoples money to mess things up. 

Sure, most of them will be out of business in a couple of years, but it's
still adds more work for those who have to live through it. We may even do
pretty well buying up all that equipment that was purchased with the peoples
monies and squandered.

Leave business to the business people. We don't want your money, it came
with too many strings attached. Rather than sell radio spectrum, also an
asset of the people, you should designate more of it for the unlicensed
bands that us WISPs use.

Marco Coelho
President, 
Argon Technologies Inc.


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[WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik 
RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed 
during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other 
people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that 
not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet 
when it comes to quality control and design.

Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced 
with something reliable real soon.

FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik RB411

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

They started failing at 0F.Temps got to -25F in a few places.

I'm running the R52 cards in ARC Wireless enclosures.   Prebuilt by my 
vendor.   Someone on another list suggested using a more powerful card 
as the extra heat is enough to keep the board warm.

They are all running fine now, but who knows what will happen when we 
get another freeze?

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 2/5/2011 12:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
 Matt... we have over 1,000 of the regular 411 boards in the air...
 including many point to point backhaul links. We saw temps down to -30F
 this last week and didn't have a single failure.

 Travis
 Microserv

 On 2/5/2011 11:41 AM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 I just wanted to take this opportunity to mention that the Mikrotik
 RB411 boards are pieces of crap.Half of the ones I have failed
 during the cold spell this last week and it turns out that lots of other
 people have had the same problems.It is very frustrating to see that
 not all of the hardware we use has moved out of the amateur stage yet
 when it comes to quality control and design.

 Glad I only ever bought ten of them.   They will be getting replaced
 with something reliable real soon.

 FWIW, the 411AH boards I have in place have been just fine.

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Re: [WISPA] WISP A Final Definition ...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

How about:

 

A company started by a real person (s) who sees a need and decides to try to
meet it with a minimum of funding, little to no government support, crazy
weather issues, and lots of technical hurdles.  They aren't crazy, but it
wouldn't be all bad if they were!

 

:-)

 

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Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 10:01 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] WISP A Final Defination ...

 

 

A WISP is a Community based, Wireless Internet Service Provider that
operates using terrestrial-based radio technology, primarily governed by FCC
Part 15 regulations; to transport and sell fixed wireless broadband access
or related Internet Protocol derived services to end users.

 

 

Victoria Proffer  - President/CEO 

StLouisBroadband.com http://stlbroadband.com/   

 http://showmebroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.com 

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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet size?

 

You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
Cisco:

 

http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:16 PM
To: us...@wug.cc; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 

I have a customer that needs a router capable of routing up to 1Gbps of
traffic - ATT Ethernet handoff. Should only really need 1 WAN port and
1 LAN port. What's everyone else using? They have shunned the idea of a
RouterMaxx or PowerRouter. They prefer to stick with Cisco, Adtran, or
Foundry.

Cisco doesn't seem too cost effective; the only thing I've found that
will run that much traffic is a 7206 with a G2. Anything newer and we're
in the $20k-$40k range.

Should I be looking at Layer 3 switches? They shouldn't need any
firewall or filtering on this device.




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Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

No, but we can populate them in our bigger routers.  We don't offer
wirespeed yet, but we can push multiple Gigs.

 

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Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gigabit Router or L3 Switch?

 

 How much real throughput do they need?  Any idea of the average packet
size?

 You could use an ImageStream Rebel router for a WHOLE LOT less than the
 Cisco:

 http://www.imagestream.com/Rebel.html

Does the Rebel support 10GE interfaces?




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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo and Ubnt

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

Phil,

Swap out the CPEs first, then you can swap the APs.   That is what I'm 
doing and it seems to be working very well.   The UBNT radios don't seem 
to have a problem associating to the older APs.   I use StarOS for the 
APs instead of Tranzeo, but that shouldn't make much difference.


Matt Larsen
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On 1/29/2011 8:45 AM, RickG wrote:
My Tranzeo CPE didnt like M radios. I've switched out most of my CPE 
to UBNT but where I didnt, I used regular Bullet's and Pico's as the 
Tranzeos work fine with those until I can get them swapped out with 
M radios.


On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com 
mailto:pcurn...@gmail.com wrote:


We are making the switch from Tranzeo AP's and CPE's to Ubnt and
have run into a problem.  Seems that the Tranzeo CPE's don't play
well with the Ubnt AP's.  They will only bind when both are set to
20 Mhz and the Tranzeo CPE's lose there connection after a period
of time and need to be power cycled to rebind to the Ubnt AP's.
 Anybody else having these problems and are there any work
arounds?  I have tried several different configurations and
updated all to newest firmware, but no joy.

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Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Sigh.I think I have a couple pairs of shoes that are older than you guys.
:-)

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 10:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES -

 

Hey we're the same age!  I was 17 in 2005!

On Jan 26, 2011 9:59 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 18? Damn, he beat me then. I was only 22. :-p
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 
 On 1/26/2011 8:24 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:

 Kurt was one of our first members signing up at WISPNOG in Chicago in 
 2005. He was 18 at the time I think. He took a few years off and 
 came back last summer joining at the Summer Regional Meeting. It is 
 good to have you back! You have been an impressive young entrepreneur 
 to watch. I think you won a pretty nice door prize at the St. Louis 
 Meeting didn't you?

 Rick

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:16 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

 Rick, I look forward to paying my WISPA dues this summer, it is one 
 investment I know that will have a much higher ROI than anything else.

 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 419-562-6405

 Sent from Microsoft Outlook

 

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 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

 Kurt,

 You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. 
 Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about 
 everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to 
 be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC 
 and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there 
 through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices 
 in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we 
 maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member 
 offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative 
 of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses 
 incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low 
 overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to 
 lobbying type efforts.

 For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year 
 were almost $100,000.

 I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the 
 industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our 
 efforts.

 Respectfully,

 *Rick Harnish*

 Executive Director

 WISPA

 260-307-4000 cell

 866-317-2851 WISPA Office

 Skype: rick.harnish.

 rharn...@wispa.org

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list)

 Rick,

 I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I 
 had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running 
 WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP 
 compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty 
 much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is 
 getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and 
 FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign 
 up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not 
 members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS 
 are members.

 The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves 
 because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the 
 rest of us

 Kurt Fankhauser

 Wavelinc Communications

 P.O. Box 126

 Bucyrus, OH 44820

 http://www.wavelinc.com

 419-562-6405

 Sent from Microsoft Outlook

 

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Rick Harnish
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list

 Kurt,

 We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work 
 to get the PL ready.

 Rick

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list

 Rick,

 What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this 
 money going?

 Kurt 

Re: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Department of Pre-Crime?

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:45 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Justice Department Seeks Mandatory Data Retention

 

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Criminal investigations are being frustrated because no law currently
exists to force Internet providers to keep track of what their customers are
doing, the U.S. Department of Justice will announce tomorrow. 

CNET obtained a copy of the department's position on mandatory data
retention--saying Congress should strike a more appropriate balance
between privacy and police concerns--that will be announced at a House of
Representatives hearing tomorrow. 



Data retention is fundamental to the department's work in investigating and
prosecuting almost every type of crime, Jason Weinstein, deputy assistant
attorney general for the criminal division, will say, according to his
written testimony. The problem of investigations being stymied by a lack of
data retention is growing worse. (See related
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html  article.)

LINK:  http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html?tag=nl.e703


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Author (2003) - Deploying License-Free Wireless Wide-Area Networks
Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
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Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchildporn

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

IPv6 makes this tracking even more difficult, if you don't set things up
correctly in the first place.

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:44 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to
combatchildporn

 

I believe it is more politically correct to disobey the law to protest it,
than to break the law to enforce the law.
I'd argue that breaking a law to enforce another leaves a loophole for a
defendant, that disobeyed a law that should be protested, to use as a
defense to have issue thrown out of court. I believe if stricter tracking
regulations ever get made, the laws will likely get challenged.
If you think its tough for small WISPs to archive usage data, jsut think how
hard it would be for a large company serving millions of subs.
And even if ISPs tracked the info, what good would it really do? How would
one even verify the accuracy of the collected data, and verify it was not
tampered with. For example, to prevent someone from framing another person,
by spoofing IPs and such.

If there is one law or regulation that should be made, it is that a
broadband provider should not be required or allowed to fullfill the role of
a law enforcement agent or spy, without first establishing probable cause,
gainng warrante or subpeona, and supervision of law enforcement agent for
the specific task.  The cost of doing it blanket accross the board everyday
for all far exceeds the Return of doing it. Not in line with goals of NBP to
get affordable broadband to Americans. I'm not even sure that ISPs should
ahve the right to store information without permission from the owner of the
information.


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combatchild
porn


I want that NCIS computer where every search takes a while but comes
back with a BEEP BEEP so everyone knows in the room that they had
results. Oh and the searches they do on cell is instantaneous plus they
get in to every ISP without even a second thought. TV is just that
entertainment, it would be cool for congress if life was like TV and
personal rights of privacy didn't exist, that stupid inconvenient
constitution keeps getting in the way of everything! My fav is when they
justify breaking the law to enforce the law, what would be the point of
the 'rule of law' if everyone adopted the 'ends justify the means'
philosophy? I'll stop there before I get political, see restraint DOES
come with age.

Forbes

On 1/26/2011 7:29 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
 I would love to see the proof where someone got away for not having
 the ip/user information (but really, isps should haveat least  that)
 and that every case that had ip/user information did result in a
 conviction of the correct offender. Personally, I think some
 politicians have been watching to much SVU and CSI.

 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:21 AM, St. Louis Broadband
 li...@stlbroadband.com  wrote:
 Yep, I hear you Stuart.

 So how do you battle ... stupid, we know you can't fix stupid .

 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO

 www.ShowMeBroadband.com

 www.StLouisBroadband.com

 www.FarmingtonForum.com

 314-974-5600

 -Original Message-
 From: Stuart Pierce [mailto:spie...@avolve.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:30 AM
 To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to
 combatchild
 porn

 Well it would seem they don't want us around, afterall, the less players
 there are, the more control there is. The world is crazy and this is just
 one more reactionary move by inept people in charge. Closer to the root
 of
 the problems needs to be addressed, but using the word of the day, they
 are
 disconnected ( probably have fiber in their palaces ).

 -- Original Message --

 From: St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com

 Reply-To: li...@stlbroadband.com, WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org

 Date:  Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:22:28 -0600

 Same thing here from CNET:
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html
 Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years!  All browsing
 data
 and email.
 Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds .
 The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder if
 WISPs will exist in the next few years.
 Victoria Proffer - President/CEO
 www.ShowMeBroadband.com
 www.StLouisBroadband.com
 www.FarmingtonForum.comhttp://farmingtonforum.com/
 314-974-5600
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 

Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat child porn

[Matt Larsen - Lists]

I will be exercising my right to civil disobedience in the event that 
something like this comes to pass.   This would never make it through 
the court/judiciary system, so I'm fairly certain it won't be a problem.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 1/25/2011 7:22 PM, St. Louis Broadband wrote:


Same thing here from 
CNET:_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html#ixzz1C6HMbtXG_http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029393-281.html


Except they are saying it has to be saved for two years!  All browsing 
data and email.


Nice if you're a big ILEC and have endless funds ...

The more I look at the state of the broadband market today, I wonder 
if WISPs will exist in the next few years.


***Victoria Proffer - President/CEO*

___www.ShowMeBroadband.com_file://www.ShowMeBroadband.com

___www.StLouisBroadband.com_file://www.StLouisBroadband.com

___www.FarmingtonForum.com_http://farmingtonforum.com/

314-974-5600

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves

Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 8:12 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Smith: Companies must save private data to combat 
child porn


Why do they not just make everyone apply for v6 space. At least that

way was designed for tacking IP space to people.

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote:

 The following information is offered for your personal use only. It 
contains no


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 House Judiciary Chairman Lamar Smith says new laws are needed that 
would force


 companies to save private data in order to help law enforcement 
combat child


 pornography.



 Smith said at a hearing on Tuesday that Internet access providers 
should be


 forced to save personal details linked to users' IP addresses as a 
way to help


 combat child pornography. In the last Congress, he introduced a bill 
requiring


 they do so for two years...



 LINK:

 
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/139945-smith-companies-must-save-more-data-to-combat-child-porn





 
***





 --

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 Serving the WISP, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993

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Re: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hi Steve,

 

IPv6 is real.as is the need for it.  The good news is that we'll get to
benefit from work done internationally, as certain other countries are
critically short of IPv4 space.

 

Just when it will become something that is mandatory is still an open
question.  We've had a number of customers who are testing IPV6, but I'm not
sure of anyone actually running it on their networks.  Mostly it's being
used internally on larger enterprise networks, as far as I've seen.

 

There is a round-table on IPv6 at the WISPA program in Indy next week.

 

Regards,

Jeff
ImageStream Sales Manager
800-813-5123 x106

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] IPv6 Real or Bust?

 

Fred, I thought about posting back to you all day yesterday and finally
decided to.

I agree that there will always be some sort of IPV4 out and available. They
are constantly trying to get universities who were given huge blocks that
have used less than 5% to relinquish parts of it.  But as Tom DeReggi has
stated that there is other benefits. I am not excited about being a bleeding
edge adopter but I am looking forward to more training on this issue and
being prepared for when there is a benefit for my clients. 

The reason I take this stance is I have been in the computer industry for 26
years.  I know almost ever DOS command there is and can still write a pretty
mean batch file menu system if needed in a pinch.  One day my largest client
at that time with 100 workstations and the new Novel 2.15 server asked me
what I thought about this new Windows 2.86 software. I told him that it was
all a fad why would you want to rum more than lotus 123 and WordPerfect.
When Windows 3.0 came out I got a copy and started playing with it and I
thought I might be wrong.  I setup a meeting with that large company and
told them I was wrong.  They informed me that they already knew that and due
to my short sidedness they had just signed a service agreement with another
company.  I lost a company that I had made $150K off of the previous year.
I vowed to never look at future possibilities the same.

Y2K was a bust but I made lots of money giving lectures telling people that
I had no idea what was going to be happening but that all organizations
needed to plan for emergencies and have back plans whether it was Y2K, a
fire, an Ice storm, or a tornado. 

Same goes with IPV6.  I am not sure what will happen or if it even will.
But I need to have a plan to be ready no matter what comes.  The federal
government has set a directive to make all their networks IPV6 compliant by
next year I believe.  So if I want to be able to service their traffic then
I have to have it.

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone running MT RB-750, UBNT gear doing IPv6?

At 1/13/2011 11:59 AM, you wrote:
 I've got a small network with a MT RB-750 and UBNT (PS2's, NSL2's,
 NSLM5's, NSM5's and a BulletM2) and I'm wondering how we're going to
 fair if/when our upstream throws the switch on IPv6. I'd like to
 hear someone else is already doing it.
 
 Our upstream apparently is Hughesnet being resold in South
 America. I'm not sure if their system/our modem is IPv6
 capable/ready. That may keep us on IPv4 and tunneled/nat'ed to IPv6
 for some time.
 
  Personal opinion:  IPv6 is worth less than the paper its RFC is
  printed on. Ignore it and it will go away.  Really.

I am very concerned being that only 2 percent of the IPv4 pool remains.

http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/

In a few months we may not be able to get more IPv4 space.  What then?
  NAT everyone?  Ugh, with thousands of custommers thats an ugly
proposition.  How do you track down abuse, subpoena issues and so many
other things...

That's Y2K redux, a fear campaign.  HE in particular is trying to use it as
a differentiator.  What is running out is virgin, never-before-assigned IPv4
space.  It is like the land offices in the homestead era.  Eventually they
ran out of land.  Yet farming continued.

IPv4 addresses were initially handed out very inefficiently.  There are many
owners of blocks that are larger than needed.  If you are qualified for a
block, you are qualified to buy a block from someone who already has one.  A
market will happen, and I don't think it will be very expensive.

Nor am I too concerned about NAT.  NAT only breaks broken applications.
Public servers need public addresses, but the mass market user doesn't.
(Inability to handle subpoenas may be seen as an advantage...)

Check out the Pouzin Society for an alternative. I've got some more on this
on my web site.

  If one of your subscribers really needs to reach something only
  accessible via